'70's Pop music sucked then, and it sucks now!!!{}{}{}{[][][]
Harry S. Anchan
> I went to college and high school in the seventies, although not
> entirely in that order. Many of us- a record number of us- learned to
> play musical instruments, and some of us even wrote our own songs.
> When I hear pop music from that era, I am reminded of our motivation
> for having done so.
>
> Kelly Ray Caton, Senior Fellow
> The Velocity Institute
Sorry, Kelly, "a record number of us" disagree with you.
-- Harry
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SunnyDeb
<Pine.A32.3.91.960124...@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>,
"Harry S. Anchan" <anc...@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> writes:
>Sorry, Kelly, "a record number of us" disagree with you.
ditto
Deb Perry
John McNamara
>Would someone else care to list some musicians and bands from the 70s
>that do *not* suck?
Bruce Springsteen Born to Run album (1975) is a classic.
Steve Miller Band
Kansas
Styx (through the Grand Illusion album, after that they went
downhill in my opinion.)
Earth, Wind, and Fire
Ramones
Talking Heads
Sex Pistols
The Rolling Stones (Some Girls is awesome!)
Janis Ian (the song "At 17" is one of my favorites)
Aerosmith
Ted Nugent
Supertramp
Add these to the "Sucks" list
Olivia Newton-John
Carl Douglas (Kung-fu Fighting fame)
The DeFranco Family (family band, son Tony was a minor teen idol for a
time)
The Cowsills (another family band)
The Carpenters (I'm detecting a trend here)
Little River Band
The guy who sang the pathetic song "Oh What a Lonely Boy"
The Knack
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Harry S. Anchan
>
> BeeGees
> Bread
> Abba
> Boston
> Hamilton, Joe Frank, and Reynolds
> Marchall Tucker Band
> Partridge Family
> Shawn Cassidy
> David Cassidy
> Disco
> Soul
> Chicago
> Blood, Sweat, and Tears
> Dave Mason
> Wings
> Gino Vinelli
> Hall & Oates
>
> Bad composition, unoriginal writing, effete lyrics, and sloppy copycat
> arrangement. Want more?
Sure! That's YOUR opinion. Come back and tell us that after you have
achieved what most of these people on the above list have. Music is a
matter of personal taste. In fact, there is nothing more subjective than
music. So, give us the list of artists that * you * like so we can expound
on your "impeccable" tastes!
I also see a lot of generalizations here. Talk is cheap!
SunnyDeb
(Kathy Diemer) writes:
>>Boston
>Ayiiiiiiiii! Suck does not begin to describe Boston!
NOT!
Deb Perry
SunnyDeb
<Pine.A32.3.91.960128150...@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.c
a>, "Harry S. Anchan" <anc...@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> writes:
>Sure! That's YOUR opinion. Come back and tell us that after you have
>achieved what most of these people on the above list have. Music is a
>matter of personal taste. In fact, there is nothing more subjective than
>music. So, give us the list of artists that * you * like so we can
expound
>on your "impeccable" tastes!
>
>I also see a lot of generalizations here. Talk is cheap!
ditto!
Deb Perry
Kathy Diemer
>>Would someone else care to list some musicians and bands from the 70s
>>that do *not* suck?
>Add these to the "Sucks" list
>The Cowsills (another family band)
Ah, but Susan Cowsill has turned out to be kinda cool! She is with
some roots-ish new band out of New Orleans (the name escapes me right
now)...and also sang backup on the Smithereens' "Now and Then" (from
"Blowup").
Kelly Ray Caton
>f...@ionet.net (Kelly Ray Caton) wrote:
>We could talk about Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, and any number of
>60s- and early 70s- derivative singers and bands of the 90s that fall
>under this description. And please don't even suggest that rap is
>superior to *any* kind of music ever extant in the known universe.
My good lady, I would NEVER refer to rap as a form of music.
>To net it out, music didn't suck any more in the 70s than it does now.
I never did make such a claim.
>There are those in this group who would say that the music of the 70s
>is far superior to that of the 90s. I try to be open minded and
>listen to new stuff. As a boomer, I am disappointed a lot of the time
>at how derivative much of today's music is. But I do get pleasantly
>surprised every now and then.
>Would someone else care to list some musicians and bands from the 70s
>that do *not* suck?
Led Zeppelin, The Who, David Bromberg, Frank Zappa, Pink Floyd, ELP,
Yes. Devo started in the 'seventies, but I never heard any of it on a
radio. Most of today's music is similarly awful, and for the same
reasons.
M A I N S T R E A M means lowest common denominator, and there is very
little about "alternative" that is not. But to continue my tirade
against the canonization of '70s pop:
Atlanta Rhythm Section
Don McLean
Nazareth
Journey
Boz Skaggs
Air Supply
Captain & Tenille
Brownsville Station
Elton John
Average White Band
Red Sovine....
Kelly Ray Caton, Senior Fellow
The Velocity Institute
Velocitas, Veritas, Validus
Harry S. Anchan
Stuff that does * N O T* suck, you ask? How about GREAT stuff like:
Who needs more reasons than these to make a case for the FABULOUS 70's music?
I rest my case!!!
BeeGees
Bread
ABBA
Hamilton, Joe Frank, and Reynolds
Partridge Family
Some Disco
Most Soul
Chicago
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Wings
Gino Vinelli
Hall & Oates
Simon & Garfunkel
Stevie Wonder
England Dan & John Ford Coley
The Ozark Mountain Daredevils
Pink Floyd
America
The Guess Who
Diana Ross
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Doobie Brothers
Neil Diamond
Deep Purple
Carpenters
Grand Funk Railroad
Janis Ian
Ray Stevens
Poppy Family
Ides of March
The Temptations
Rare Earth
Tom Jones
Elvis
James Brown
Crosby, Stills & Nash
Eric Clapton
Engelbert Humperdinck
Crow
Moody Blues
Fifth Dimension
Jefferson Airplane
The Band
Gladys Knight & The Pips
Neil Young
Van Morrison
Steppenwolf
The Grass Roots
Brook Benton
Tommy James & The Shondells
The Rolling Stones
The Beatles
Three Dog Night
Rod Stewart
Elton John
The Chi-Lites
Al Green
Gordon Lightfoot
The Stampeders
George Harrison
Santana
The Who
Glen Campbell
Ray Charles
Tony Orlando & Dawn
Bob Dylan
Dionee Warwick
The Kinks
Brewer & Shipley
Gilbert O'Sullivan
Staple Singers
Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose
Billy Preston
Paul Simon
Art Garfunkel
Aretha Franklin
Alice Cooper
Jim Croce
Harry Nilsson
The Eagles
Yes
King Crimson
Leon Russell
War
Sammy Johns
Procol Harum
Michael Murphey
Addrisi Brothers
April Wine
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Traffic
Curtis Mayfield
Loggins & Messina
Edgar Winter Group
The O'Jays
Marvin Gaye
Joni Mitchell
Kool & The Gang
Carole King
Roberta Flack
Main Ingredient
Barry Manilow
Gerry Rafferty
Stealers Wheel
Les Emmerson
Five Man Electrical Band
Lighthouse
Aerosmith
Steely Dan
John Denver
Hues Corporation
James Taylor
Paul Davis
The Moments
Dr. Hook
Bachman Turner Overdrive
Herb Alpert
Jethro Tull
Michael Jackson
Jackson Five
Beach Boys
Paul Anka
Carl Douglas
MFSB
Andy Kim
Ringo Starr
Paul McCartney
Three Degrees
Olivia Newton-John
The Stylistics
KC & The Sunshine Band
The Commodores
Hudson Brothers
Billy Joel
Earth, Wind & Fire
ZZ Top
Captain & Tennille
Van McCoy
Blackbyrds
Orleans
Queen
J.Geils Band
Amazing Rhythm Aces
Manhattan Transfer
Willie Nelson
Carly Simon
Bruce Springsteen
Jim Stafford
Tavares
John Fogerty
Average White Band
Kiss
Atlanta Rhythm Section
Leo Sayer
Bellamy Brothers
Lou Rawls
Gary Wright
Boz Scaggs
Cliff Richard
Peter Frampton
Electric Light Orchestra
Fleetwood Mac
Thin Lizzy
Wet Willie
David Bowie
Neil Sedaka
Styx
Barry White
Starbuck
Marmalade
Kenny Nolan
David Soul
Supertramp
Ronnie Milsap
Chic
Little River Band
Andy Gibb
Ray Parker Jr.
Eddie Money
Heart
Teddy Pendergass
Harold Melvin & The Bluenotes
Bill Withers
Dobie Gray
Linda Ronstadt
Anne Murray
The Cars
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
Dan Hill
B.J. Thomas
10 CC
Eddie Rabbitt
Kansas
Chilliwack
Seals & Crofts
Van Halen
Blondie
Donna Summer
Sister Sledge
Dire Straits
Suzie Quatro
Toto
Troiano
Ian Matthews
Ian Gomm
Journey
Poco
Joe Jackson
Dolly Parton
Al Stewart
Allman Brothers
The Police
Ironhorse
Rickie Lee Jones
Prince
Badfinger
Cat Stevens
Undisputed Truth
Blues Image
Wadsworth Mansion
Bobby Sherman
Gary Glitter
...and more reasons why the 70's were awesome!
Harry S. Anchan
Oops! How could I forget the great Steve Miller (Band)? Another reason
70's music was great.
Norm!!!
Me, Can't We Still Be Friends? Bang On The Drum, (I Don't Want To
Work) and produced many of the best Rock albums of the 70's; ie: Grand
Funk Railroads We're An American Band, Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell,
Hall And Oates War Babies, and Patti Smith. He is still putting music
on the racks that is fresh and on the technological edge. In the 70's,
Todd was known as " A Wizard, A True Star" In the 90's, Todd has
been upgraded to TR-i, Desktop Rocker...
If you have acess to C-Serve, Go imusic to get to Todds InterActive
Music Forum. You can download Todds latest cd, The Individualist on
WAV files.
kdi...@phoenix.phoenix.net (Kathy Diemer) wrote:
>f...@ionet.net (Kelly Ray Caton) wrote:
>>BeeGees
>Innate suckiness agreed.
>>Bread
>Ditto.
>>Abba
>Wonderfully evocative for movies (i.e., "Muriel's Wedding"). To
>listen to? Feh!
>>Boston
>Ayiiiiiiiii! Suck does not begin to describe Boston!
>>Hamilton, Joe Frank, and Reynolds
>Ah, they were one-hit wonders. Give 'em a break.
>>Marchall Tucker Band
>ZZZzzzzzzzzz....huh? Wha? Bo-ring!
>>Partridge Family
>>Shawn Cassidy
>>David Cassidy
>All cut from common sucky teevee cloth.
>>Disco
>Lots of sucky stuff, but lots of fun stuff too. Try a Disco Trash
>night at your local danceteria. All disco does not suck.
>>Soul
>Hmmm...please be specific. If you are referring to the Stylistics,
>the Chi-Lites, and Al Green, try listening again. The good Rev Green
>has a new CD that rules!
>>Chicago
>Have you noticed that these guys are now "Chicago (registered
>trademark)"? They put the turd in tur(d)gid.
>>Blood, Sweat, and Tears
>First LP without David Clayton Thomas, "The Human Bellows", was pretty
>darn good. First LP with DCT was not too awful. And then, the
>bobsled ride to hell.
>>Dave Mason
>He's not deep and pithy, but he wrote a couple of good songs. Though
>it has been done to death, "Feelin' Alright" is still a classic.
>>Wings
>What do you call a dog with Wings?
>Seriously, folks, the first two Macca solo LPs were not too bad. Then
>he decided he could be all four in one, if only he had a backup band.
>"Give Ireland Back To The Irish" is okay, though.
>>Gino Vinelli
>Who? Is this guy the 70s or the 80s? I sort of remember the name in
>the context of Suck.
>>Hall & Oates
>(wince) Uhh...I actually bought some of their records in the context
>of The Righteous Brothers, Jr. "Say It Isn't So" still kicks ass.
>But I never listen to them any more.
>>Bad composition, unoriginal writing, effete lyrics, and sloppy copycat
>>arrangement. Want more?
>We could talk about Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, and any number of
>60s- and early 70s- derivative singers and bands of the 90s that fall
>under this description. And please don't even suggest that rap is
>superior to *any* kind of music ever extant in the known universe.
>To net it out, music didn't suck any more in the 70s than it does now.
SunnyDeb
(Norm!!!) writes:
>Todd Rundgren was my favorite artist of the 70's He did Hello, It's
>Me, Can't We Still Be Friends? Bang On The Drum, (I Don't Want To
>Work) and produced many of the best Rock albums of the 70's; ie: Grand
>Funk Railroads We're An American Band, Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell,
>Hall And Oates War Babies, and Patti Smith. He is still putting music
>on the racks that is fresh and on the technological edge. In the 70's,
>Todd was known as " A Wizard, A True Star" In the 90's, Todd has
>been upgraded to TR-i, Desktop Rocker...
Yea, I forgot about him. I loved his music! There was a lot of good
music then. I don't know why people think it was all so lousy.
Deb Perry
Mike B
>In article <4ebc9o$c...@ionews.ionet.net>, f...@ionet.net (Kelly Ray Caton) wrote:
>> Disco
>> Soul
>>
>> Bad composition, unoriginal writing, effete lyrics, and sloppy copycat
>> arrangement. Want more?
>Kelly, you lose all credibility by writing off two entire genres of music.
>You obviously haven't listened to very much of either, if you seriously
>think the writing and arrangement of all disco and soul music "sucked."
>James Brown, Curtis Mayfield, the Stylistics, the Four Tops, Isaac Hayes,
>Parliament, Ohio Players,...I could go on and on. The complexity and
>quality of the instrumental and vocal arrangements done by these artists
>has never been surpassed. That's why every pop music producer today relies
>on samples from 70s soul. As for disco, the only difference between 70s
>disco and 80's "dance music" and 90's "techno" is that 70s disco had
>more complicated arrangements that used real instruments. If you relax
>your "disco sucks" instinct and actually listen to some, you'll find
>some very original writing, e.g. BT Express, Sylvester, Trammps, Bohannon,
>etc.
>--Mark S.
well stated Mark
Edward B. Armour
Bay City Rollers
Slade
Mark S.
Louie Cole
UK in the 70s.. the Beatles split and all that, we got the Sex Pistols,
the Clash, Joy Division, the Police (quite good stuff actually...)
Let's see, what 70s stuff do I still listen to? Deep Purple, Chicago,
Eagles, Hall & Oates, Jackson Browne, Carly Simon, James Taylor, ELO,
AC/DC, Kiss, Rainbow, Sweet, T-Rex, Bonnie Raitt, Elkie Brookes, Abba,
Lynryd Skynryd, Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Who, Led Zeppelin, Bad
Company, Free, Status Quo, Bread, Budgie, and many others (I could go on
forever).
And apologies to the many on the above list who aren't just 70s, but are
80s, 90s and forever..!
Louie
Harry S. Anchan
f...@ionet.net (Kelly Ray Caton) wrote:
> >little about "alternative" that is not. But to continue my tirade
> >against the canonization of '70s pop:
>
> >Atlanta Rhythm Section
> >Don McLean
> >Nazareth
> >Journey
> >Boz Skaggs
> >Air Supply ???????????????????????
> >Captain & Tenille
> >Brownsville Station
> >Elton John
> >Average White Band
Your tirade was getting a touch tiresome, but now that we see how much
you know about 70's music, by including Air Supply in that era, I rest my
case. Say no more! We see where you're coming from and how much you
know about what you're talking about!!!!!
Air Supply started charting in 1980!!
Kelly Ray Caton
>-- Harry
Well, Harry, ole pal. you sure know the charts, but they sucked even
before they hit the charts.
TJU USENET News User
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RobertaQ (robe...@best.com) wrote:
: In article
: <Pine.A32.3.91.960130...@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>,
: "Harry S. Anchan" <anc...@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote:
: > Stuff that does * N O T* suck, you ask? How about GREAT stuff like:
: > Who needs more reasons than these to make a case for the FABULOUS 70's
: > I rest my case!!!
: I agree TOTALLY with you. There was a lot of GREAT 70's music, and of
: course just like other eras, some bad stuff. BUT, I agree the GREAT stuff
: outweighed the bad stuff. Of course this was my high-school day music, so
: I identify with it. Others, who may be older or younger, may not
: appreciate it as some of us 70's high-schoolers do.
: RobertaQ
: "Class of 77"
: Hey man, I'm 17 and a music major. I live breath eat sleep and digest
: music. I dig mostly on classical, but the only other thing I listen to
: is 70's music, mostly a heavy diet of Steely Dan. I don't just think,
: I KNOW today's music sucks. No one know's how to wright a good song
: any more.
: From the voice of a younger
: generation "Class of 96"
: _ Aaron
Eric Young
jkr...@cornerstone.com (Jason Kreth) wrote:
> > >Your tirade was getting a touch tiresome, but now that we see how much
> > >you know about 70's music, by including Air Supply in that era, I rest my
> > >case. Say no more! We see where you're coming from and how much you
> > >know about what you're talking about!!!!!
> >
> > >Air Supply started charting in 1980!!
> >
> > >-- Harry
>
> Actually they did chart in the 70s with All Out of Love, I do not have the
> year handy but I can look it up later if need be.
>
> Jason
The album that contains "All Out Of Love" is called "Lost In Love" and was
released in 1980. I don't remember it being around any earlier. (My
girlfriend at the time bought the album for me on Valentine's Day 1981. I
just cringe at how sappy high school sweethearts can act.)
--
Eric Young
Graduate Student - Advertising
University of Texas
er...@mail.utexas.edu
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"If only common sense was more common."
Larry
User) wrote:
Dear Little Aaron:
If you DONT even like our music, then stay the hell OUT of our
newsroom!!!!!!!
YOU should talk, what with groups like (Snoop Doggie Dog, Ict Tea,
Madonna...SHEESH!) "YEAH IM A RAP STAR CAUSE I CANT SING...I TELL
KIDS TO BEAT UP COPS YEAH BROTHERS YEAH!!!"
Harry S. Anchan
> > >Your tirade was getting a touch tiresome, but now that we see how much
> > >you know about 70's music, by including Air Supply in that era, I rest my
> > >case. Say no more! We see where you're coming from and how much you
> > >know about what you're talking about!!!!!
> >
> > >Air Supply started charting in 1980!!
> >
> > >-- Harry
>
> Actually they did chart in the 70s with All Out of Love, I do not have the
> year handy but I can look it up later if need be.
>
> Jason
Jason,
Air Supply debuted on the charts with their first song, "Lost in Love"
on February 9, 1980. "All Out of Love" charted on June 14, 1980, not
in the 70's. It was their second hit song.
Regards.
Maynard Calkin
lco...@monmouth.com (Larry) writes:
>>
>>: Hey man, I'm 17 and a music major. I live breath eat sleep and digest
>>: music. I dig mostly on classical, but the only other thing I listen to
>>: is 70's music, mostly a heavy diet of Steely Dan. I don't just think,
>>: I KNOW today's music sucks. No one know's how to wright a good song
>>: any more.
>>
>>
>>
>>: From the voice of a younger
>>: generation "Class of 96"
>>: _ Aaron
>
>Dear Little Aaron:
>
>If you DONT even like our music, then stay the hell OUT of our
>newsroom!!!!!!!
>
>YOU should talk, what with groups like (Snoop Doggie Dog, Ict Tea,
>Madonna...SHEESH!) "YEAH IM A RAP STAR CAUSE I CANT SING...I TELL
>KIDS TO BEAT UP COPS YEAH BROTHERS YEAH!!!"
>
LIKED the music from the 70's.
-----
Maynard
SunnyDeb
(Larry) writes:
>>: Hey man, I'm 17 and a music major. I live breath eat sleep and digest
>>: music. I dig mostly on classical, but the only other thing I listen
to
>>: is 70's music, mostly a heavy diet of Steely Dan. I don't just think,
>>: I KNOW today's music sucks. No one know's how to wright a good song
>>: any more.
>>
>>
>>
>>: From the voice of a
younger
>>: generation "Class of 96"
>>: _ Aaron
>
>Dear Little Aaron:
>
>If you DONT even like our music, then stay the hell OUT of our
>newsroom!!!!!!!
>
>YOU should talk, what with groups like (Snoop Doggie Dog, Ict Tea,
>Madonna...SHEESH!) "YEAH IM A RAP STAR CAUSE I CANT SING...I TELL
>KIDS TO BEAT UP COPS YEAH BROTHERS YEAH!!!"
>
>
>
Larry, dont' beat up on Aaron. Read it again. He says he LIKES 70's
music.
Deb (class of '76)
Deb Perry