Ted Nugent
Ishah
uh...i am watching Ted on "Hannity & Colmes"....FOXNews..
it's amazing to me that Ted is such a conservative...<g> Way to go, Ted! hehe
he can scratch my fever any time...:) <w>
Thomas Conroy
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my tongue
aleen
Love,
Jolie
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Buddy from Brooklyn at Work
And he's going to running for Governor of Michigan in 2006 (he say's).
Thomas Conroy
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> What amazing self-control you have my dear!
>
> Love,
> Jolie
I know, and it's got me all jumpy, because, as I said, I really, really
would like to reply with a comment about Ted Nugent, but since I don't want
to fan flames here, I'm biting my tongue...not an easy thing to do.
Love,
Tom
The NightHawk
wrote:
>What amazing self-control you have my dear!
>
>Love,
>Jolie
>
Self control my ass.... he's just chicken!
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medicine man, writer, wanderer, poet, dreamer, lunatic,
and mendicant purveyor of flatulent didactics. Cigar
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recsec
>
> Love,
> Jolie
>
> "Thomas Conroy" <anti...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> bite
> > my tongue
O Tom just wants to tell us about the time he played rhythm guitar for Uncle
Ted in 83. He has some really juicy stories about Ted's backstage behavior
but was sworn to secrecy about the things the Motor City Madman did. Ted
made him swear on a case of Jack Daniels that he wouldn't say what Ted did
ever, else he be forced to go on tour with Air Supply who was thought to
have a HUGE career in front of them back in 83. Tom doesn't want Air Supply
to get back together should he talk.
Billy
Ishah
>to fan flames here, I'm biting my tongue...not an easy thing to do.
oh heck...i don't have a problem with someone else having a different
viewpoint... i just happen to be a conservative, and when i see conservatives
in the most unusual places it really tickles me...<g>
Kelly
disagree with what he had to say, he was always a lively guest.
Doesn't he have a song called "Cat Scat Fever"?
--
Kelly
You ever get that urge, Frank? It begins with looking down from 50
stories up, thinking about the meaninglessness of life, listening to
dark voices deep inside you, and you think, "Should I... Should I...
Should I push someone off?"
Far side Calendar
Sandy
Teds been coming up a lot lately! I saw the recent episode of That 70s Show
where he made a guest appearance and yesterday they gave the info on the radio
that Ted played guitar on Journey To The Center of My Mind (I think that was
the song they said) and Annes brother-in-law was just telling me last week that
Kiss was supposed to be touring again and asked if I wanted to go; he warned me
that Ted would be opening for them, did I *still* want to go? I guess he's
pretty rude in his concerts, totally not PC! I guess I could sit through it to
see Kiss though :)
Sandy
2-60
Class of 78
bud hufstetler
>He use to be a frequent guest on Politically Incorrect.Even though I
>disagree with what he had to say, he was always a lively guest.
>
You gotta admit, whether you're fer him or agin' him, he is interesting.
>Doesn't he have a song called "Cat Scat Fever"?
>
Cat SCRATCH Fever. (big difference)
:-))
Bud
--
Ishah
>>
>Cat SCRATCH Fever. (big difference)
>:-))
hehe...no kiddin'...<g> i knew someone already corrected this, so i didn't
bother..<g>
Ishah
>me
>that Ted would be opening for them, did I *still* want to go?
Gene Simmons was on "Hannity & Colmes" a while back...Hannity is right, Colmes
is left...it is a political debate show on FOXNews...anyway, Simmons said to
Colmes, "in peace time i am on your side, but in war time i'm on his side"...
Kelly
Lopez song isn't "I'm Still Skeevey (sp) From The Block".
BLOIL! SFP!
--
Kelly
Dance like it hurts, love like you need money, work when people are
watching you.
Scott Adams (Dilbert)
Antipositivist
Yup, Billy's on to me. It was that damn loincloth that Nugent insisted
that I wear before going out on stage to jam; I kept protesting, "Ted,
no loincloth for me," but he wouldn't listen, and then he fired me.
Plus, I wanted us to encore with "Journey to the Center of Your Mind,"
and not with "Wang, Dang, Sweet Poontang."
Tom
(who will only wear a loincloth for one person in this NG; she knows
who she is :-)
aleen
Love,
Jolie
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bud hufstetler
>BLOIL! SFP!
Can you explain what those mean?
Bud
--
Kelly
> Kelly wrote:
>
>
>
> >BLOIL! SFP!
>
> Can you explain what those mean?
>
I am not at liberty to explain the meaning.
--
Kelly
Whales produce 380 tons of sperm in their life span, and only 10% goes
into their mate. Ever wonder why the ocean is salty?
bud hufstetler
You might enjoy this. I ws too late to buy these for my wife.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10991&item=26158865
81&rd=1
Bud
--
Kelly
--
Kelly
Mobile phones are the only subject on which men boast about who's got
the smallest.
Killer Rabbit
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I saw the recent episode of That 70s Show
> where he made a guest appearance and yesterday they gave the info on the
radio
> that Ted played guitar on Journey To The Center of My Mind (I think that
was
> the song they said) and Annes brother-in-law was just telling me last week
that
> Kiss was supposed to be touring again and asked if I wanted to go; he
warned me
> that Ted would be opening for them, did I *still* want to go? I guess
he's
> pretty rude in his concerts, totally not PC! I guess I could sit through
it to
> see Kiss though :)
> Sandy
>
> 2-60
> Class of 78
There has been rumor of KISS touring this summer (although Ace isn't
probably going to be there...Tommy Thayer in Ace's make-up instead). As for
Ted being with them, that was on the Farewell tour (2000), not the possible
tour this summer. So no fear there! I went to 2 of the KISS shows during
that tour and I boycotted Ted's part of the show. I think the guy is a
total dick.
Lori =^.^=
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> There has been rumor of KISS touring this summer (although Ace isn't
> probably going to be there...Tommy Thayer in Ace's make-up instead).
The way I heerd it was that they were going to tour with Aerosmith this
summer. Anymore news on that one Lori?? That would be one hell of a rockin'
good time!
> As for
> Ted being with them, that was on the Farewell tour (2000), not the
possible
> tour this summer.
That would have been good to!! I have NEVER seen Kiss before & I need to do
so. I have seen Uncle Ted about 6 or 7 times now. Really knows how to rock
the house. Been 2 1/2 years since I last saw him tho. If he goes back on
tour you can bet I'll be there jammin' my ass off to Dog Eat Dog & all the
others of his!
Billy (damn, now I want to hear Dog Eat Dog. Where's my Great Gonzos cd??)
Killer Rabbit
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> "Killer Rabbit" <killer.rabb...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:2Uc7a.34163
> > There has been rumor of KISS touring this summer (although Ace isn't
> > probably going to be there...Tommy Thayer in Ace's make-up instead).
>
> The way I heerd it was that they were going to tour with Aerosmith this
> summer. Anymore news on that one Lori?? That would be one hell of a
rockin'
> good time!
That's one rumor, but niether KISS nor Aerosmith have confirmed it.
> > As for
> > Ted being with them, that was on the Farewell tour (2000), not the
> possible
> > tour this summer.
>
> That would have been good to!! I have NEVER seen Kiss before & I need to
do
> so.
They are an excellent show! I'm just disappointed that they've decided to
try an deceive the fans by putting Tommy Thayer in Ace's make-up. Here's a
recent shot (taken a few days ago on a show in Melbourne, Australia) showing
Tommy with Gene.
http://www.kissonline.com/archives/photos/03/0225rove/rove_live_08.jpg
Personally, I think Tommy looks like Herman Munster in KISS make-up. ;-)
Lori =^.^=
--
"All the Arab Muslim world needs is Burger King, Rock and Roll and American
movies... wait and see."
--Gene Simmons--
Michael Rogers
took the opportunity between songs to tell what he thought about the
Clintons in no uncertain terms. I was loving it but was waiting for
him(it was New York after all) to get booed off the stage. To my
surprise, he was getting 10X more cheers than boos. I went to see KISS
but Ted was the unexpected tasty icing on the cake.
Mike
Michael Rogers
got to see one makeup show before they took it off but they didn't have
Ace and Peter and even though I loved the show, I wish they were there.
So, it wasn't until thier 1996 reunion that I got to see the show I've
wanted to see for 17 years :)
Mike
Beatlfilms
>I went to 2 of the KISS shows during
>that tour and I boycotted Ted's part of the show. I think the guy is a
>total dick.
And on the flipside, I also saw KISS on that tour and just loved Ted's part of
the show. I've always dug his "I'm Ted Nugent and there's not a damn thing you
can do about it" mentality. Plus, on the guitar, the guy flat knows how to get
it done. However, I can certainly see how his personality, opinions and such
could rub somebody the wrong way.
Shawn
Beatlfilms
>That's one rumor, but niether KISS nor Aerosmith have confirmed it.
Billboard reported it as happening later this year according to "sources". I
think this is a link to their story.
http://www.billboard.com/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_i
d=1799028
Shawn
Beatlfilms
>Ohh man, I became a KISS fan in 1979, pretty much after thier heyday. I
>got to see one makeup show before they took it off but they didn't have
>Ace and Peter and even though I loved the show, I wish they were there.
>
>So, it wasn't until thier 1996 reunion that I got to see the show I've
>wanted to see for 17 years :)
I too did not get to see KISS with all four original members and makeup until
the Reunion Tour. I had the opportunity to see them in 1979, but the show was
cancelled when the local fire marshall wouldn't approve of their use of pyro.
Shawn
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But it's still a rumor that , while it's run rampant, has not been confirmed
by anyone.
Lori =^.^=
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My husband and I do not like his Dem bashing, his attitude toward women
(very sexist, IMO), and we're not into all that hunting stuff either. Some
actually protested his shows! I think *that* is too much...Andy and I just
hung out in the parking lot with some people and tailgated. ;-)
Lori =^.^=
--
"And if elected mayor, my first act is to kill the whole lot of you and burn
your town to cinders."
~Groundskeeper Willie~
bud hufstetler
>My husband and I do not like his Dem bashing, his attitude toward women
>(very sexist, IMO), and we're not into all that hunting stuff either. Some
>actually protested his shows! I think *that* is too much...Andy and I just
>hung out in the parking lot with some people and tailgated. ;-)
>
>Lori =^.^=
>
Whether I agree with them or not, I prefer entertainers to entertain, and just
shut the F up about politics. The only positive about Ted's ranting is that he
does it in a humorous fashion. I would love to see he and James Carville in a
point/counterpoint setting. Between the two of them, I think that would be a
laugh riot. Not as entertaining as the Timothy Leary/Gordon Liddy match-up, but
still pretty good.
Bud
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LOL! Great visual and most definitely entertaining! ;-)
Lori =^.^=
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Jack Pagel
I guess I could sit through it to
> see Kiss though :)
I'd listen to Ted, maybe stay to see part of Kiss
Jack
Sandy
>warned me
>> that Ted would be opening for them, did I *still* want to go? I guess
>he's
>> pretty rude in his concerts, totally not PC! I guess I could sit through
>it to
>> see Kiss though :)
>> Sandy
>>
>> 2-60
>> Class of 78
>
>There has been rumor of KISS touring this summer (although Ace isn't
>probably going to be there...Tommy Thayer in Ace's make-up instead). As for
>Ted being with them, that was on the Farewell tour (2000), not the possible
>tour this summer. So no fear there! I went to 2 of the KISS shows during
>that tour and I boycotted Ted's part of the show. I think the guy is a
>total dick.
>
>Lori =^.^=
>
Ahhhh, so he was wrong about Ted. Not that it really makes much difference to
me.
I've never seen him so I don't know if I'd like him or not. But you think he's
a total dick, huh? What is it that he says or does that makes you think this
Lori. It may make the difference if I ever *do* go see him or not!
Sandy
>summer. Anymore news on that one Lori?? That would be one hell of a rockin'
>good time!
Wow, that would be awesome!!! I've never seen Aerosmith either! The only
thing that'll suck is that tickets will be impossible to get. I haven't even
been able to get Aerosmith tickets when they're around. Grrrrr!
Sandy
>the house.
What do you think about Ted Billy? I mean as far as what people think he's an
ass about?? Do you think I'd like him??
Sandy
>of
>the show. I've always dug his "I'm Ted Nugent and there's not a damn thing
>you
>can do about it" mentality.
Ok, the pictures getting a little clearer. He's one of these in-your-face type
of guys??
Sandy
>(very sexist, IMO), and we're not into all that hunting stuff either. Some
>actually protested his shows! I think *that* is too much...Andy and I just
>hung out in the parking lot with some people and tailgated. ;-)
>
>Lori =^.^=
>
>
long as he's not talking about torturing animals I can let it go. He doesn't,
does he???)
Sandy
>took the opportunity between songs to tell what he thought about the
>Clintons in no uncertain terms.
Ok, no he wouldn't bother me at all! ;)
Killer Rabbit
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>
> Ahhhh, so he was wrong about Ted. Not that it really makes much
difference to
> me.
> I've never seen him so I don't know if I'd like him or not. But you think
he's
> a total dick, huh? What is it that he says or does that makes you think
this
> Lori. It may make the difference if I ever *do* go see him or not!
> Sandy
Can't give you any quotes...just an overall dislike for the guy. He is
hardcore GOP, imo. I just don't like his whole Dem bashing agenda and what
I feel is degradation of females, that's all. If you have ever seen him
talk politics before, you'd get my drift. He tends to put it in his show
(which, as been said earlier, doesn't belong). You may love him in concert
<shrug>...I just chose to not go...you know, the old "change the channel if
you don't like the show" kind of thing. Some people can overlook his
diatribe on stage...I couldn't.
Lori =^.^=
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No torturing animals...just those on the liberal and feminist side like me.
;-)
Lori =^.^=
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--Plankton--
Killer Rabbit
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To put it politely, yes.
Lori =^.^=
Sandy
>> >(very sexist, IMO), and we're not into all that hunting stuff either.
>Some
>> >actually protested his shows! I think *that* is too much...Andy and I
>just
>> >hung out in the parking lot with some people and tailgated. ;-)
>> >
>> >Lori =^.^=
>> >
>> >
>> OH! ok...naw, none of that would bother me ;) (except the hunting part,
>but as
>> long as he's not talking about torturing animals I can let it go. He
>doesn't,
>> does he???)
>> Sandy
>>
>> 2-60
>> Class of 78
>
>No torturing animals...just those on the liberal and feminist side like me.
>;-)
LOL! Ok, I can see where he would get under your skin Lori.
>
>Lori =^.^=
>
>--
>"That's it! You've just lost your brain privileges mister!!"
Sandy
2-60
Class of 78
Thomas Conroy
To me, Ted Nugent is to the far right kind of what Larry Flynt is to the
left, one, like most conservatives a champion of the 2nd amendment, and the
other a champion of the 1st. The difference, of course, is that while
Hustler, Larry Flynt's "product," is, I assume ( I don't normally read it)
consistently the same, and one of Ted Nugent's "products" (i.e., his live
shows) is as well, for me the true measure of a musical artist (which I
don't really think Nugent is, at least not any longer) also included
recording output, and here, from what I understand, the man has gotten
progressively worse; all he really has is a 25 year old persona, and he is
milking it all the way to the bank; Damn Yankees anyone? Even a classic
Nugent song like "Cat Scratch Fever" suffers from pretty limited playing by
the side musicians, particularly the drummer. I think Ted Nugent's 15
minutes of fame were up a long time ago; on;y no one's told him that yet.
Tom
Rick Greenly
>> Annes brother-in-law was just telling me last week that
>> Kiss was supposed to be touring again and asked if I wanted to go; he
>warned me that Ted would be opening for them, did I *still* want to go? I guess
>he's pretty rude in his concerts, totally not PC! I guess I could sit through
>it to see Kiss though :)
>> Sandy
>>
>> 2-60
>> Class of 78
For those that haven't seen it, check out www.heavy.com and click on
Behind The Music That Sucks. There are funny animated parodies of many
artists, KISS and Ted included.
Rick - resident guitar hero
www.shutupanddrive.com
Killer Rabbit
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>
> For those that haven't seen it, check out www.heavy.com and click on
> Behind The Music That Sucks. There are funny animated parodies of many
> artists, KISS and Ted included.
I've seen the KISS one before. LOL! :-)
Lori =^.^=
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to try to invade.' "
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other ties, any other history, and himself adopts the vesture of his adopted
land."
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Jolie
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>
Beatlfilms
>and one of Ted Nugent's "products" (i.e., his live
>shows) is as well, for me the true measure of a musical artist (which I
>don't really think Nugent is, at least not any longer)
Maybe I'm missing the point here. Why is Ted Nugent no longer a musical artist
in your opinion? He plays music for a living. He has a fan base that enjoys
what he does. What else does he need to qualify?
>also included
>recording output, and here, from what I understand, the man has gotten
>progressively worse; all he really has is a 25 year old persona, and he is
>milking it all the way to the bank; Damn Yankees anyone?
Again, I seem to be missing your point. Musically, I don't see that Ted's
skills have diminished one iota. As for your comments about his "25 year old
persona" that he is "milking all the way to the bank," are you referring to the
fact that after all this time he still goes on stage with his "Motor City
Madman" persona? If so, I fail to see what is wrong with that. Gene Simmons
still dresses like a bat, Bruce Springsteen still grimaces like he's in pain
while bashing away on a Fender Telecaster and sharing a mic with Little Steven
(who still sports the same rag on his head), Steven Tyler and Mick Jagger still
strut around like horny teenagers, and I'm sure when the Sex Pistols reformed
recently that Johnny Rotten/Lydon went out and there and sneered like he's a
dangerous felon even though he's a middle aged millionarie. It's all part of
their act; why's Ted any different?
>Even a classic
>Nugent song like "Cat Scratch Fever" suffers from pretty limited playing by
>the side musicians, particularly the drummer.
According to you. Let's remember the song is "Cat Scratch Fever" not "Toccata
And Fugue in D minor". I don't think the song is exactly designed to contain or
suited for the trappings of a Gene Krupa or a Neil Peart. I doubt Ted was
exactly trying to compete with the progressive sounds of Yes or ELP with "Cat
Scratch Fever." Would the song be better with a bunch of Rick Wakeman keyboard
doodlings all over it?
>I think Ted Nugent's 15
>minutes of fame were up a long time ago; on;y no one's told him that yet.
So, if I'm reading you right, it is your opinion that he should hang it up? I
seem to recall that you like a fair amount of alternative and punk. Some of the
groups you're into haven't had and/or will never have their 15 minutes of fame.
But you still dig them regardless, correct? They have a fan base of one size or
another that allows them to ply their trade, correct? So does Ted Nugent. I
don't see the difference.
Shawn
Antipositivist
> Thomas Conroy said:
>
> >and one of Ted Nugent's "products" (i.e., his live
> >shows) is as well, for me the true measure of a musical artist (which I
> >don't really think Nugent is, at least not any longer)
>
> Maybe I'm missing the point here. Why is Ted Nugent no longer a musical artist
> in your opinion? He plays music for a living. He has a fan base that enjoys
> what he does. What else does he need to qualify?
I guess that I was thinking of the distinction between artists and
entertainer; I see him as an entertainer, not necessarily as an
artist. Granted, this is a judgement call, and perhaps a somewhat
arbitary distinction, since I do recognize that there are popular
entertainers who are also artists. Still, I see it as a distinction
that applies here. I guess I am using the term "artist" in a more
traditional way, and not in the way that the music industry uses the
term; according to that, everyone with a record contract, including
all the boy bands, rappers, and one hit wonders are artists. I
disagree. To me artists stand for innovation, creativity, rich
craftmanship, a singularity of vision, and/or beauty, and various
other qualities; I can name lots of people in music - from Tom Waits
to Patti Smith to the Velvet Underground, the Beatles, and the Kinks -
who possess these qualities. Of course, I recognize that this is a
judgement call.
> >also included
> >recording output, and here, from what I understand, the man has gotten
> >progressively worse; all he really has is a 25 year old persona, and he is
> >milking it all the way to the bank; Damn Yankees anyone?
>
> Again, I seem to be missing your point. Musically, I don't see that Ted's
> skills have diminished one iota. As for your comments about his "25 year old
> persona" that he is "milking all the way to the bank," are you referring to the
> fact that after all this time he still goes on stage with his "Motor City
> Madman" persona? If so, I fail to see what is wrong with that. Gene Simmons
> still dresses like a bat, Bruce Springsteen still grimaces like he's in pain
> while bashing away on a Fender Telecaster and sharing a mic with Little Steven
> (who still sports the same rag on his head), Steven Tyler and Mick Jagger still
> strut around like horny teenagers, and I'm sure when the Sex Pistols reformed
> recently that Johnny Rotten/Lydon went out and there and sneered like he's a
> dangerous felon even though he's a middle aged millionarie. It's all part of
> their act; why's Ted any different?
There is nothing inherently wrong with a performer having a peersona,
but I think in some (though not all) cases, it suggests style over
substance. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see it. Again, though,
I'd call Ted Nugent an entertainer - like Henny Youngman, or Jack
Benny; they too had their schtick; the audience loved them for it,
too.
> >Even a classic
> >Nugent song like "Cat Scratch Fever" suffers from pretty limited playing by
> >the side musicians, particularly the drummer.
>
> According to you. Let's remember the song is "Cat Scratch Fever" not "Toccata
> And Fugue in D minor". I don't think the song is exactly designed to contain or
> suited for the trappings of a Gene Krupa or a Neil Peart. I doubt Ted was
> exactly trying to compete with the progressive sounds of Yes or ELP with "Cat
> Scratch Fever." Would the song be better with a bunch of Rick Wakeman keyboard
> doodlings all over it?
I just think the rhythm section on it is really weak; it's a rocking
tune, but it could have rocked much harder.
And here's where I would, perhaps, compare Ted Nugent to other
popular, flamboyent rockers of the 70s - like David Bowie and Alice
Cooper; both Bowie and Alice had the good sense to have very strong
musicians playing along side themselves. By contrast, Nugent seemed to
have cared a lot less for the quality of his musicianship. Politics
aside, it's hard for me to have much respect, or to take very
seriously, the guy, even though I recognize that he does have a
modicum of talent. That's my critique of Ted Nugent's music; that plus
his guitar riffing gets a bit mindlessly monotonous after a while.
> >I think Ted Nugent's 15
> >minutes of fame were up a long time ago; on;y no one's told him that yet.
>
> So, if I'm reading you right, it is your opinion that he should hang it up? I
> seem to recall that you like a fair amount of alternative and punk. Some of the
> groups you're into haven't had and/or will never have their 15 minutes of fame.
> But you still dig them regardless, correct? They have a fan base of one size or
> another that allows them to ply their trade, correct? So does Ted Nugent. I
> don't see the difference.
>
> Shawn
Again, Shawn, all I'm saying is that I don't take Ted Nugent very
seriously as a musician, but who knows, perhaps he's gotten better in
recent years; I haven't been paying close attention. I don't begrudge
his fans their enjoyment of him, but I suspect that his current fan
base is drawn to his shows by a combination of nostalgia for their
lost youth and/or a connection with his newfound celebrity status as
an NRA spokesman. Power to them, I say.
Tom
Michael Rogers
it in such a funny way.
But even if it was Republican sacred cows he was making fun of, my only
requirement would be to make it entertaining and even if your message is
180" out of phase of mine, I'll laugh and like it.
That's the philosophy that allows me to continue liking Saturday Night
Live when it's funny (who seems to constantly take pot shots at us
Republicans) as well as movies and TV in general (which distinctly tilt
left).
At least All In The Family, though made by an avowed Lib, made it a
point to make Mike look buffoonish sometimes.
About the supposed degradation of females, it's just the same "shake it
lady" attitude common to a lot of Rock and Rollers. I think that's
relativly harmless compared to the way they talk about women in Hip Hop.
Mike
MaryMc
Michael Rogers <mi...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> At least All In The Family, though made by an avowed Lib, made it a
> point to make Mike look buffoonish sometimes.
...and of course, that same avowed Lib also made Maude, which made fun
of liberal foibles and excess in almost every episode.
--
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>I guess that I was thinking of the distinction between artists and
>entertainer; I see him as an entertainer, not necessarily as an
>artist. Granted, this is a judgement call, and perhaps a somewhat
>arbitary distinction, since I do recognize that there are popular
>entertainers who are also artists. Still, I see it as a distinction
>that applies here. I guess I am using the term "artist" in a more
>traditional way, and not in the way that the music industry uses the
>term; according to that, everyone with a record contract, including
>all the boy bands, rappers, and one hit wonders are artists. I
>disagree. To me artists stand for innovation, creativity, rich
>craftmanship, a singularity of vision, and/or beauty, and various
>other qualities; I can name lots of people in music - from Tom Waits
>to Patti Smith to the Velvet Underground, the Beatles, and the Kinks -
>who possess these qualities. Of course, I recognize that this is a
>judgement call.
I would agree that this would have to be a judgement call. Because whatever
that elusive "it" is that makes you think of Patti Smith as an "artist," is
essentially the same thing for somebody who loves Mariah Carey. If that makes
any sense. What I mean is that it's possible for you to admire Patti Smith and
simultaneously see Mariah Carey as nothing by a soulless, big tittied songbird,
while a Mariah worsphipper can look at Ms. Smith as an aging, poetry-barking
biker chick in need of a hairbrush. So, yes, "artist" is definitely a personal
interpretation.
>There is nothing inherently wrong with a performer having a peersona,
>but I think in some (though not all) cases, it suggests style over
>substance. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see it. Again, though,
>I'd call Ted Nugent an entertainer - like Henny Youngman, or Jack
>Benny; they too had their schtick; the audience loved them for it,
>too.
Again, I would have to say that's certainly a personal interpretation; meaning
viewing Ted's schtick as style over substance. Couldn't the Ramones have played
those same songs without always wearing the black leather "uniforms"? I'm
assuming they adopted that look as part of their overall package, and it worked
for them, so regardless of current fashion, they stuck with it. David Byrne's
songs should have been equally as good without that oversized suit he was
wearing. You know what I mean?
>I just think the rhythm section on it is really weak; it's a rocking
>tune, but it could have rocked much harder.
>
>And here's where I would, perhaps, compare Ted Nugent to other
>popular, flamboyent rockers of the 70s - like David Bowie and Alice
>Cooper; both Bowie and Alice had the good sense to have very strong
>musicians playing along side themselves. By contrast, Nugent seemed to
>have cared a lot less for the quality of his >musicianship.
I don't see that personally, but it is, as you say, a judgement call, so what's
a guy to do! :-)
>Politics
>aside, it's hard for me to have much respect, or to take very
>seriously, the guy, even though I recognize that he does have a
>modicum of talent. That's my critique of Ted Nugent's music; that plus
>his guitar riffing gets a bit mindlessly monotonous after a while.
Now, of course, I understand this, because like we have discussed, it's a
personal thing as to why a musician appeals to you or not. As for me, I find a
lot of the progressive rock stuff like Yes mindlessly monotonous. But that's
just me; somebody obviously dug them! As for the politics, well, that's another
thing altogether. Ted wants a better world and Bono wants a better world;
they're on opposite sides of the spectrum and both prattle on about it, but I
guess that doesn't really color my feelings about their music. I either like
'em or I don't. Maybe just naive on my part, but there it is.
>Again, Shawn, all I'm saying is that I don't take Ted Nugent very
>seriously as a musician, but who knows, perhaps he's gotten better in
>recent years; I haven't been paying close attention. I don't begrudge
>his fans their enjoyment of him, but I suspect that his current fan
>base is drawn to his shows by a combination of nostalgia for their
>lost youth and/or a connection with his newfound celebrity status as
>an NRA spokesman. Power to them, I say.
That very well may be. Last year, Little Richard and Chuck Berry went on tour
together. Somehow methinks that their shows weren't attracting hordes of 14
year old girls in little babydoll shirts. The majority of those that went were
probably high on the nostalgia of their lost youth. When I saw Paul McCartney
last year, there was A LOT of gray hair in the audience. Nostalgia is fine and
dandy (he said in a newsgroup with a 1970s theme).
Anyway, when dealing with the printed word, emotion or intent is sometimes left
open for interpretation by the reader. I hope you didn't find my reply as
attacking your views, Tom. After reading your post, I was just legitimately
curious as to why your opinions on the Nuge are what they are.
The fact that your totally wrong is besides the point. (I'm just kidding
there!) :-)
Shawn
Thomas Conroy
> Anyway, when dealing with the printed word, emotion or intent is sometimes
left
> open for interpretation by the reader. I hope you didn't find my reply as
> attacking your views, Tom. After reading your post, I was just
legitimately
> curious as to why your opinions on the Nuge are what they are.
Shawn,
No of course I didn't feel like you were attacking. You asked some perfectly
legitimate, and thought provoking questions, and I thank you for that.
Besides, I enjoy a good, lively discussion. And, I respect your opinions. I
agree with you, for example, about prog-rock; and I share in your conviction
that the Beatles were a genius of a band.
As far as the brudders Ramone, the "uniform" of sneakers, torn jeans and
leather jackets did, I admit, tend to render them a bit cartoony at times;
but I did have a feeling that that's what they wore all the time. I once ran
into Joey in Greenwich Village, and that's what he was wearing. I'm guessing
the Nuge doesn't walk around wherever he lives in a loincloth - though
perhaps he's a bigger nut than I thought ;-)
> The fact that your totally wrong is besides the point.
>(I'm just kidding
> there!) :-)
Perhaps I am (though probably not here ;-) . I count on you guys to be my
reality check
Tom