Favorite '70s Restaurant That's Now Gone
robert arndt
Chef was a lot better than McDonalds and had better toys in their "fun
meals". Their kite shaped restaurants and signs really stood out.
Herfy's OTOH was my local fast food place. I remember their big sign
with the cow on it. They made a decent burger, shake, and fries... but
were more expensive than Burger Chef.
Sadly, both are gone forever. Hardee's owns the rights to Burger Chef
but won't even bring back the menu even though lots of people want
Burger Chef back. It's a damn shame, so I've never ate at Hardee's and
never will.
Oh yeah, our family used to eat at Smorgabob's too!!!
Rob
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Ggreg Snyder
did appear until 77 or so (unless if got an early start in another part of
the country. I was in CA.)
Ggreg
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the (unfortunately named) Sambo's.
That's one of those unfortunate things where the name Sam with the suffix bo
then becomes Sambo and stands in our minds forever as a racial sterotype.
And yet this doesn't happen with Jimbo. That one story has branded our
consciousness'.
LizzieZ
pretty basic diner/pancake house-type place, but what made them stand out was
the Goodman's Treasure Chest. After your meal, kids could go and pick out
something from the Treasure Chest -- of course, looking back, they were all
about the caliber of Cracker Jack prizes, but it was still fun to be able to
pick out your own free treat.
Liz
WiNK
crown for the sign and you would order at your table from a phone), and Big
Boy. (Which isn't around Colorado anymore, to my knowledge.) Also dying in
this area: Tastee Freez and Jack in the Box....not that I liked them, but
there are memories attached. Just recently gone: Round the Corner. Damn I
miss their hamburgers.
Nadine
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got all the free beer, red wine, or sangria as well as free salad. They
never said that you had to buy anything in the ads so as a result "some"
people would go in and eat plenty of salad and drink all the beer that they
wanted. The waitstaff and management would go nuts, but there was a legal
point involved. And yet, they never changed the ads. Eventually they became
Beefsteak Charlie's.
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Nanc
take my daughter : (
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> I miss the food counter in Woolworth's. I wish it was still there so I
could
> take my daughter : (
> Nanc
They made a heckuva grilled cheese sandwich, didn't they?
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It was probably the 2nd most popular fast food chain in the Northern VA
area back in the late 70s.
They served the famous Giant sandwich, equivalent to the Big Mac, but
better. There's also the Heroburger, an oval shaped hamburger with the
obligatory let/tomato/mayo/cheese combo - umm...nice and greasy good
stuff. ;-) I also absolutely loved their fish sandwich. All these years,
I haven't found a fish sandwich as good as the one Gino's had. Damn...I
*really* miss this fish sandwich!
On top of all the goodies I've mentioned, Gino's also served all/any KFC
items. I guess Gino's had a joint partnership with KFC back in the late
70s, and it seemed like *all* Gino's in the Northern VA area had a KFC in
it. Umm..nice and greasy combo ;-)
Loved the place so much that I ended up working there. It was my first
job!
-Naz
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Jamie M.
wrote:
>Ponderosa... for the memories only of course and the diner on the top floor
>of Simpson's department store
>
A vegetarian with fond memories of a steak restaurant?! My image is
shattered! I noticed there's a Ponderosa in Niagara Falls, NY... if
you're looking to rekindle some steak memories... also...
A&W drivein - I remember mostly from the 60's, which was such a cool
thing when I was 8 or so.
Harvey's - esp. the french fries and onion rings
Frans - a Toronto institution and all night diner, I think opened in
the 50's and still going strong in the 70s - you could count on a good
burger after a concert at the Gardens and lots of interesting people
frequenting it after midnight. It's still there with its kitschy decor
which hasn't changed, but just not the same.
The Organ Grinder / The Old Spaghetti Factory - Every Toronto kid had
at least one birthday party at either of these two restaurants. Being
a suburban kid, I had to settle for b-day parties at home. *sniff*
Mr. Greenjeans - The first Toronto NG gettogether was there for those
of you who were there? It also changed since the 70's though... a
favourite place to play space invaders while waiting for your table,
and to have a Golden Cadillac (or several) before a show at the Old
Firehall (Second City)
Jamie
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> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:09:50 GMT, The Wanderer babbled on about Re:
Favorite '70s
> Restaurant That's Now Gone proclaiming:
> Then again, the name "Jimbo" does stir up images of hillbillies.
>
Larry
wrote:
>
>A&W drivein - I remember mostly from the 60's, which was such a cool
>thing when I was 8 or so.
>
It was still pretty cool 20 years or so ago when I found one in a
small Michigan town. I also remember a restaurant in Mt. Pleasant MI
called the Pixie. For a couple of bucks you could get two chili dogs,
fries, and a huge generously frosted brownie that always tasted as
though it had just been taken from the oven. When's dinner?
Kelly
in frying pans and potato wedges with the skins on. The menu was shaped like
the thing you would use to pan for gold.
Kelly
Jude The Obscure
Burger Chef WAS the place for burgers and shakes when I grew up.
McDonald's?? What the heck was that? We didn't get a ClownBurger til like
79.
Hardee's has brought some menu items back like the Big Shef and the Super
Shef. There are some great websites devoted to Burger Chef.
Too bad, someone can't buy out Hardee's and rename all of them Burger Chef
LOL
>
> Rob
rach
going out with my parents. I remember the long hallway you'd line up and
wait in with the pictures of the various meals on the wall.
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MaryMc
myst...@hotmail.com (Jamie M.) wrote:
> >But I don't miss Woolworth's.
>
> I don't either. It smelled funny. And it wasn't restaurant smells. And
> they all smelled that way.
I do have some fond memories of Woolworth's. The one in my home town
was right across the street from the movie theater. My mom would drop
me and my friends off there for a kiddie matinee, and she'd always give
me a quarter for candy. At the theater that would buy one item, but at
Woolworth's it would buy a whole sackful of junk--wax pop bottles,
Bottle Caps, Sugar Daddies, Big Hunks, Bazooka bubble gum, those little
almost-square Hershey bars that sold for a nickel...they always had the
best assortment of weird candies in town.
And Woolworth's sold strange toys that I never saw anywhere else. There
was this goo that came in a metal tube, with a plastic straw. You put a
glob of the goo on one end of the straw, and blew into the other end,
and it made a bubble that dried into sort of a balloon. It had a rather
strong chemical smell, and it was probably WAY more toxic than anything
they'd let kids get anywhere near these days. Wonder how many brain
cells I destroyed playing with that stuff? And there were these tiny
little paper dolls--I barely remember them at all, the details have
faded--but they came in a little box about the size of a deck of cards,
and you stuck their clothes on with a glue that came in a crayon. I got
those in my Christmas stocking every year.
Later, when I was a little older and starting to dress girlie,
Woolworth's always had great cheap makeup. Remember the Maybelline
mascara that came in a matchbox-sized plastic box--you wet the little
brush and scrubbed it across the cake of goo? And little pots of lip
gloss, and frosted eye shadows, and peachy-colored blush that came in a
tube, and Heaven Scent cologne, and nail polish in a rainbow of tacky
colors...oh yeah, I was stylin' then!! My mother didn't approve of me
wearing any of it, so she wouldn't give me any money to buy it, but I
could make my allowance go a long ways at Woolworth's.
And Woolworth's sold 45's, and they always had the weekly top 40 lists
for KRDG, our one local pop music radio station. I used to ride my
bicycle down there every Friday or Saturday, right after the new list
came out, and pick one up (and maybe buy a new 45 if I wanted to blow my
whole allowance in one pop). On Saturday nights they did a trivia
contest on the radio, and a lot of the questions came from the list.
This was when I was in junior high, and I had no social life whatsoever,
so I had nothing better to do most Saturday nights. I won a lot of
movie passes and pizzas that way.
I don't think I'd set foot in there in years, but I was still sad when I
heard they were closing that store.
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> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:30:16 GMT, Nanc babbled on about Re: Favorite '70s
Restaurant
> That's Now Gone proclaiming:
>
could
> >take my daughter : (
> >Nanc
>
>
anybody remember Woolworth's K-Mart type stores called Woolco?
recsec
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> The menu was shaped like
> the thing you would use to pan for gold.
You mean like a pan?? :-)
Billy
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> Gino's Restaurant.
>
> It was probably the 2nd most popular fast food chain in the Northern VA
> area back in the late 70s.
>
They were everywhere in Maryland! I've tried to explain the restaurants to
my husband..he'd never heard of them. The oval hamburgers stand out the
most. They were excellent!
Lori =^.^=
Kelly
"recsec" wrote
LOL
yes Billy
Kelly
"MaryMc" wrote
(snip)
> And Woolworth's sold strange toys that I never saw anywhere else. There
> was this goo that came in a metal tube, with a plastic straw. You put a
> glob of the goo on one end of the straw, and blew into the other end,
> and it made a bubble that dried into sort of a balloon. It had a rather
> strong chemical smell, and it was probably WAY more toxic than anything
> they'd let kids get anywhere near these days. Wonder how many brain
> cells I destroyed playing with that stuff?
(snip)
It is called "Super Elastic Bubble Plastic" you can still get it in Toys R
Us or Kay Bee Toys. I saw it a few weeks ago, but I am not sure it still
goes by that name.
Kelly
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> wrote:
>
> >Ponderosa... for the memories only of course and the diner on the top
floor
> >of Simpson's department store
>
> A vegetarian with fond memories of a steak restaurant?! My image is
> shattered! I noticed there's a Ponderosa in Niagara Falls, NY... if
> you're looking to rekindle some steak memories... also...
We've got at least two Ponderosas in Nova Scotia...one in Bedford, one in
Truro. I remember going to Bonanza, in Bangor, Maine, a few times on
vacation, too. Used to enjoy that.
> A&W drivein - I remember mostly from the 60's, which was such a cool
> thing when I was 8 or so.
We used to have one of these right at the end of our street. It was great!
It was a Green Gables convenience store for ages before finally being torn
down a few months ago.
> Harvey's - esp. the french fries and onion rings
This the same Harvey's that's around today...serving those frozen burger
patties you can buy at the grocery stores?
> The Organ Grinder / The Old Spaghetti Factory - Every Toronto kid had
> at least one birthday party at either of these two restaurants. Being
> a suburban kid, I had to settle for b-day parties at home. *sniff*
Aaahhh!! The Old Spaghetti Factory! There's a name I have heard in ages!
Or the Ice Cream Factory! And Swenson's!!
> Mr. Greenjeans - The first Toronto NG gettogether was there for those
> of you who were there? It also changed since the 70's though... a
> favourite place to play space invaders while waiting for your table,
> and to have a Golden Cadillac (or several) before a show at the Old
> Firehall (Second City)
I've been to the Mr. Greenjeans that's in the Eaton Centre a few times. Had
one of the absolute best burgers EVER at that place.
Erin ">
0:-)
Jamie M.
>anybody remember Woolworth's K-Mart type stores called Woolco?
Yes, I remember it. I think it was bought out by Zellers.
Jamie
D.Spiegel
closed it. I never even saw the inside of a McDonalds until Ginos disappeared.
Loved the Heroburger!
Dave Spiegel
Jude The Obscure
>
> >anybody remember Woolworth's K-Mart type stores called Woolco?
>
> Yes, I remember it. I think it was bought out by Zellers.
>
> Jamie
>
They shut them down here...........the buildings then became Wal-Marts
(:PPPPPP)
rach
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Marlene Blanshay
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There was a restaurant here like that, called "Tady's". I never ate there,
so I hvave no idea how good it was.
Marlene Blanshay
> I miss the food counter in Woolworth's. I wish it was still there so I could
> take my daughter : (
> Nanc
>
Same here! We used to go to Woolworth's after the doctor, for milkshakes.
I remember their lunch counter where you could get the turkey dinner, and
they also sold great desserts like coconut cream pie, pumpkin pie, and
apple dumplings with caramel sauce. My favorite woolworth's was downtown,
and you could watch people walk by the big window.
Marlene Blanshay
(Jamie M.) wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:45:05 -0400, "rach" <trist...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Ponderosa... for the memories only of course and the diner on the top floor
> >of Simpson's department store
> >
>
> A vegetarian with fond memories of a steak restaurant?! My image is
> shattered! I noticed there's a Ponderosa in Niagara Falls, NY... if
> you're looking to rekindle some steak memories... also...
>
> A&W drivein - I remember mostly from the 60's, which was such a cool
> thing when I was 8 or so.
>
> Harvey's - esp. the french fries and onion rings
>
> Frans - a Toronto institution and all night diner, I think opened in
> the 50's and still going strong in the 70s - you could count on a good
> burger after a concert at the Gardens and lots of interesting people
> frequenting it after midnight. It's still there with its kitschy decor
> which hasn't changed, but just not the same.
>
> The Organ Grinder / The Old Spaghetti Factory - Every Toronto kid had
> at least one birthday party at either of these two restaurants. Being
> a suburban kid, I had to settle for b-day parties at home. *sniff*
>
You just reminded me of the Old Spaghetti warehouse in old Montreal! I'd
forgotten all about it.
Marlene Blanshay
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>
> the (unfortunately named) Sambo's.
>
> That's one of those unfortunate things where the name Sam with the suffix bo
> then becomes Sambo and stands in our minds forever as a racial sterotype.
> And yet this doesn't happen with Jimbo. That one story has branded our
> consciousness'.
I don't know much about Sambo's restaurants. My guess is that the guy who
found it was probably named sam something, and sambo was his nickname?
That's my guess. Unless they had some horrible, racist logo/mascot or
something, like a guy eating watermelon and smiling or some such thing,
which I doubt they had. I never saw one of those restaurants.
rach
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I think the name Sambo originates from a children's book from ( I think) the
1930s. I remember seeing it once when I was in about grade 6 and did my
book report on Judy Blume's "Iggy's House" and used the Sambo book as an
example of racist literature, thus tying it into the story in Iggy's House.
The book was called " Little Black Sambo" and in addition to the less than
flattering cartoon like drawings of a black family, it also made reference
to every stereotype going at that time (watermelon eating, sitting on the
porch, Aunt Jemima, poor, etc). It was in some kind of rhyme formula and
named the parents Black Mambo or something like that. I had borrowed it
from a neighbour who had children that had gotten the book before it was
banned or whatever. In saying all this, I think calling someone of an older
generation " Sambo " would be just as bad as any other racial slur.
rach
DL
wrote:
>
>Aaahhh!! The Old Spaghetti Factory! There's a name I have heard in ages!
Weate at the one in Spokane last Saturday night. I had the Browned
Butter and Mizithra. Yummy with lots of bread with garic butter and
the free dish of Spumoni.
MaryMc
> Aaahhh!! The Old Spaghetti Factory! There's a name I have heard in ages!
There's a chain of Old Spaghetti Factory restaurants that's still
around, mainly in the western US. They're based in Portland, and their
website says they started there in 1969. But I remember going to one in
San Francisco as a kid, and I have another friend who also remembers
going there in the mid-60s. It was in an old building (no clue where
exactly) and it had all kinds of random junk hanging from from the walls
and ceilings---musical instruments, furniture, plumbing fixtures, etc.
It apparently isn't there anymore, or isn't part of this Old Spaghetti
Factory chain, but I have to think they stole the idea there.
Killer Rabbit
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>
> I think the name Sambo originates from a children's book from ( I think)
the
> 1930s.
It was...Sambo's was originally a pancake house...you'll see why further in
this post.
>I remember seeing it once when I was in about grade 6 and did my
> book report on Judy Blume's "Iggy's House" and used the Sambo book as an
> example of racist literature, thus tying it into the story in Iggy's
House.
>
> The book was called " Little Black Sambo" and in addition to the less than
> flattering cartoon like drawings of a black family, it also made reference
> to every stereotype going at that time (watermelon eating, sitting on the
> porch, Aunt Jemima, poor, etc).
Then you read the wrong book...there was nothing about watermellon eating or
sitting on the porch. As for Aunt Jemima, I can only assume you were going
by the way the mother is dressed. Well, the mother is just dressed in the
garb of that country at the time. As for being poor, again, no reference to
being poor. Only that his mother had made his new clothes.
The book is suggested to be set in India (because of the reference to "ghi",
the East Indian word for butter), but could be Africa. Since the story is
about Sambo and a tiger, that would eliminate the U.S.
It was in some kind of rhyme formula and
> named the parents Black Mambo or something like that. I had borrowed it
> from a neighbour who had children that had gotten the book before it was
> banned or whatever. In saying all this, I think calling someone of an
older
> generation " Sambo " would be just as bad as any other racial slur.
Yes, Sambo could now be a derogatory term, I guess. Just as "Charlie" could
be derogatory for a Vietnamese person. I think the racist part would be the
"little black" part, not so much the name Sambo.
To get a better understanding of the book, click on this link. There is the
complete story (it's a short one) and then you will see what I'm talking
about and why the restaurant used the name "Sambo".
http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/sambo.htm
Lori =^.^=
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> "rach" <trist...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > I think the name Sambo originates from a children's book from ( I think)
> the
> > 1930s.
>
> It was...Sambo's was originally a pancake house...you'll see why further
in
> this post.
Well, I forgot the explanation for the pancake's! Well, to make it easier,
click on the link for the story and read it...then you'll see what I meant!
;-)
http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/sambo.htm
Lori =^.^=
MaryMc
"Killer Rabbit" <killer...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Yes, Sambo could now be a derogatory term, I guess. Just as "Charlie" could
> be derogatory for a Vietnamese person. I think the racist part would be the
> "little black" part, not so much the name Sambo.
Trust me--I come from a long line of rednecks and racists, and it *is*
used as a derogatory, racist term. I've heard it used that way many
times, without the "little black" part attached. And it was used
against people of African descent, not Indian--do you think someone
ignorant enough to talk about someone in that way understands the
difference, or could even find India or Africa on a map? All they see
is dark skin.
I looked at the website you posted about the Little Black Sambo book,
and it reminded me of what a sweet story it was, and how much I loved it
as a kid. It's really unfortunate that the name has become inextricably
linked with a mean, hurtful, racist image. But the fact is, it *does*
have that association, and a lot of other people (black, white and
otherwise) have said that it makes them uncomfortable, and reminds them
of far worse times and actions. I'll take their word for it, and buy my
friends' kids another storybook.
Notice, I did NOT say anything about legally censoring or banning Little
Black Sambo, or the Confederate flag, or any other symbol that some
people feel is racist. That's not right--it's not constitutional, and
it's counterproductive in the long run. I'd rather see them disappear
because people are persuaded that it's the right thing to do. Sambo's
restaurants changed their names voluntarily, in response to public
opinion. It was a good business decision--they wouldn't have done it
otherwise. Persuasion and awareness are wonderful things.
BTW--there is still one Sambo's restaurant, or at least there was in the
early 1990s. It's in Santa Barbara, California. When I lived there,
the story I heard was that the guy who started the chain sold most of
it, but he kept that one restaurant. The chain changed the name (I
think they became Baker's Square) but he was under no obligation. His
prerogative.
Naz Reyes
D.Spiegel wrote:
>>
> We had Ginos in Central NJ. I loved the place. I was crushed when they
> closed it. I never even saw the inside of a McDonalds until Ginos disappeared.
> Loved the Heroburger!
>
> Dave Spiegel
Same here, Dave. I went into depression when I saw the last Gino's
close down ;-) They were all converted to Roy Rogers in the early 80s
around Northern VA.
But yea, my friends and I would rather visit Gino's back then than a
McDonald's!
-Naz
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> In article <Si4i9.3795$GO2....@nwrddc04.gnilink.net>,
> "Killer Rabbit" <killer...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> > Yes, Sambo could now be a derogatory term, I guess. Just as "Charlie"
could
> > be derogatory for a Vietnamese person. I think the racist part would be
the
> > "little black" part, not so much the name Sambo.
>
>
> Trust me--I come from a long line of rednecks and racists, and it *is*
> used as a derogatory, racist term. I've heard it used that way many
> times, without the "little black" part attached.
My husband's from the south and agrees that, unfortunatly, it can be used
that way.
>And it was used
> against people of African descent, not Indian--do you think someone
> ignorant enough to talk about someone in that way understands the
> difference, or could even find India or Africa on a map? All they see
> is dark skin.
I think you may have missed my point...Yes, people use the term, in a
negative way, but I was clearing up with Rach that the story itself was
never meant to be racist. It wasn't even written by an American the
"redneck" attitude in mind.
>
> I looked at the website you posted about the Little Black Sambo book,
> and it reminded me of what a sweet story it was, and how much I loved it
> as a kid. It's really unfortunate that the name has become inextricably
> linked with a mean, hurtful, racist image.
Very unfortunate...it just shows how the ignorant, demented mind can turn an
innocent children's story into a negative image.
But the fact is, it *does*
> have that association, and a lot of other people (black, white and
> otherwise) have said that it makes them uncomfortable, and reminds them
> of far worse times and actions.
What's amazing to me is that some of the people who feel uncomfortable have
never read the book!! I know, I was one of those people. I wrongly assumed
it was negative portrayal of a black family. Ironically, it was a good
friend of mine, who happens to be black, who showed me the book!!
I'll take their word for it, and buy my
> friends' kids another storybook.
>
> Notice, I did NOT say anything about legally censoring or banning Little
> Black Sambo, or the Confederate flag,
What gets me (and my southern husband) is that, we don't have a problem with
the Confederate flag...just the Confederate *battle* flag!! The battle flag
is the one sometimes called the "rebel" flag. If you want to show your
southern heritage...go find the real flag of the Confederacy, not the one
that signifies going into battle!!
or any other symbol that some
> people feel is racist. That's not right--it's not constitutional, and
> it's counterproductive in the long run. I'd rather see them disappear
> because people are persuaded that it's the right thing to do.
Absolutly.
Lori =^.^=
rach
and age it was written compared to when I read it, I took it as racist.
--
rach
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softly stolen under our blanket skies"
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Naz Reyes
Killer Rabbit wrote:
Yea, it was more popular in the Northern VA area than McDonalds as late
as the early 80s. I'm surprised that there isn't much info around the
net about Gino's. At that time, Burger King was probably the only other
FF chain that's more popular than Gino's.
Then Roy Rogers bought 'em out. And Roy Roger's became the second most
popular FF chain. Then McDonald's bought RR out. Do I see a pattern here?!
-Naz
LizzieZ
>
>they all smelled that way.
Hmm, could it have been the parakeets and rodents that they sold in the same
store where they cooked food?
Liz
LizzieZ
>
>
>There's a chain of Old Spaghetti Factory restaurants that's still
>around, mainly in the western US.
I ate at one of those last year, but it was either in Louisville or
Philadelphia (can't remember which trip I was on right now).
This reminds me of another long-gone restaurant called The Ground Round. Was
this a national chain or just here in Chicago? I remember hamburgers and I
remember being encouraged to drop peanut shells on the floor, but that's about
it.
Liz
rach
reportedly around in the 70s as well. Wicked cool place
--
rach
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>
>
Kelly
"LizzieZ" wrote
> This reminds me of another long-gone restaurant called The Ground Round.
Was
> this a national chain or just here in Chicago? I remember hamburgers and
I
> remember being encouraged to drop peanut shells on the floor, but that's
about
> it.
Up until recently The Ground Round was on the Island. The one in Garden City
is now called Tin Alley (or something like that), I am not sure if the other
locations are still in business. I loved it there as a kid. The floors,
crunchy from all the peanut shells, appealed to me.
Kelly
Loribeth Hawkeye
Wow...thanks Lori..
LBnews:Kn4i9.7716$%g2....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
Loribeth Hawkeye
had good food. Last I knew the building was still there but with a
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Loribeth Hawkeye
right. But now being that I am American Indian...is the Mascot term
Cleveland Indians okay to use? Or how about the Braves...or the Chiefs. Oh
I got one...the term Squaw??? These words are used everyday to make money
and to degrade woman...Just a thought. God I went and did it now huh?
Thanks for reading...
LB
Check these out...
http://groups.msn.com/WolfnHawk
http://groups.msn.com/AmericanIndianWriters
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rach
with other peoples, Native North Americans are constantly overlooked.
--
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Killer Rabbit
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> Ohh see I thought it was about a Large Black Cat???
> Wow...thanks Lori..
> LB
Uh, might I ask, without being confrontational, but were you being sarcastic
to me? That's how it read. If so, why? If not, well, no problem.
Lori =^.^=
Killer Rabbit
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> It is racist...no way getting around that. The term Black Sambo is just
not
> right.
The point I was making is that, yes, now it's deragatory, but not because of
the author. The story was not meant to be taken in with a racist slant at
the time. Some racist jerk read or heard of the story and altered the whole
story by making it a negative term. The actual story, however, is not about
American prejudice at all. It's not even set there! Another example of this
would be the book Roots...Alex Haley (being a black man himself) never meant
any racist comments to be taken from his book, however, if you were to call
a black man Kunta Kintay (sp?) or Chicken George, you had best be ready for
a fight!!
But now being that I am American Indian
...is the Mascot term
> Cleveland Indians okay to use? Or how about the Braves...or the Chiefs.
Oh
> I got one...the term Squaw???
My husband is part Native American (the PC term for "American Indian") and
he has no problem with mascots with the exception of Redskins...which is
definatly a deragatory term!!
These words are used everyday to make money
> and to degrade woman...
Absolutely true and definitely wrong.
>Just a thought. God I went and did it now huh?
Hey, there is always going to be prejudice, the key is to phase them
out...to show that they are wrong by stereotyping. Just be careful being
militant...it tends to piss people off instead of showing them how hurtful
these names can be. I deal with people stereo typing me all the time...I am
Caucasian who is married with two children and I live in suburbia...it is
assumed all the time that I am Christian. I'm not. When I tell someone
that I'm, for lack of a perfect word, Buddhist, they can't understand it
and want to convert me to their religion. I always ask, If I were Asian,
would it then be acceptable? Would you try to change me then? Anyway, the
whole point I was trying to make was that the story was never meant to be a
story of hatred.
Lori =^.^=
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It's a chain. I believe the one near Cincinnati also ran movies.
We had a Spaghetti Factory too, but I believe it's gone now.
Jeff Troutman
Jeff Troutman
> I miss two fast food places- Burger Chef and Herfy's. I thought Burger
> Chef was a lot better than McDonalds and had better toys in their "fun
> meals". Their kite shaped restaurants and signs really stood out.
> Herfy's OTOH was my local fast food place. I remember their big sign
> with the cow on it. They made a decent burger, shake, and fries... but
> were more expensive than Burger Chef.
> Sadly, both are gone forever. Hardee's owns the rights to Burger Chef
I miss Burger Chef, too. And Shakey's Pizza, where you could catch old
silent movie reels while you ate.
Jeff Troutman
Kelly
"Jeff Troutman" wrote
> "LizzieZ" <liz...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
> ages!
> > >
> > >
> > >There's a chain of Old Spaghetti Factory restaurants that's still
> > >around, mainly in the western US.
> >
> > I ate at one of those last year, but it was either in Louisville or
> > Philadelphia (can't remember which trip I was on right now).
> >
> > This reminds me of another long-gone restaurant called The Ground Round.
> Was
> > this a national chain or just here in Chicago? I remember hamburgers
and
> I
> > remember being encouraged to drop peanut shells on the floor, but that's
> about
> > it.
> >
>
> It's a chain. I believe the one near Cincinnati also ran movies.
>
> We had a Spaghetti Factory too, but I believe it's gone now.
>
>
The Ground Rounds by us use to show cartoons.
Kelly
Dixon Hayes
>A&W drivein - I remember mostly from the 60's, which was such a cool
>thing when I was 8 or so.
There's an A&W in Jacksonville, Alabama that's a combo with Long John Silver's.
(I know there are likely many more but that's the closest one to me.)
Dixon
===========
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Dixon Hayes
>You put a
>glob of the goo on one end of the straw, and blew into the other end,
>and it made a bubble that dried into sort of a balloon. It had a rather
>strong chemical smell, and it was probably WAY more toxic than anything
>they'd let kids get anywhere near these days. Wonder how many brain
>cells I destroyed playing with that stuff?
That sounds like the supposedly non-toxic "SuperElasticBubblePlastic." My
daughter actually found a safe modern-day version and loved it.
Dixon Hayes
>anybody remember Woolworth's K-Mart type stores called Woolco?
Yes, I remember it well. The one in Rainbow City, Alabama had the coolest
model train department in our area, but when I outgrew those I migrated over to
the equally-cool record section. Great store, I don't know why I think it was
even better then than the local Walmart is now. Perhaps it's variety. Anyway,
the old Woolco building in Rainbow City is now occupied by a Food World and
Goody's Family Clothing.
The Wanderer
--
Buddy
from Brooklyn
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"There are certain sections in New York, major, that I wouldn't advise you
to try to invade.' "
Humphrey Bogart as Rick-in "Casablanca"- to nazi officer.
"The making of an American begins at the point where he himself rejects all
other ties, any other history, and himself adopts the vesture of his adopted
land."
James Baldwin
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Thomas Hornikel
"Dixon Hayes" <dixon...@aol.comspamless> wrote in message
> Jamie wrote:
>
> >A&W drivein - I remember mostly from the 60's, which was such a cool
> >thing when I was 8 or so.
>
> There's an A&W in Jacksonville, Alabama that's a combo with Long John
Silver's.
> (I know there are likely many more but that's the closest one to me.)
There is still an A&W Drive In in Boardman, OH, just outside Youngstown. I
took Kim and the kids there to experience (for the first time) what a true
drive in is about! Does anyone remember Dog N Suds? The last one in our
area closed around 5 years ago. Horrid hot dogs, but great root beer!
Tom Hornikel
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Thomas Hornikel
> Yea, it was more popular in the Northern VA area than McDonalds as late
> as the early 80s. I'm surprised that there isn't much info around the
> net about Gino's. At that time, Burger King was probably the only other
> FF chain that's more popular than Gino's.
>
> Then Roy Rogers bought 'em out. And Roy Roger's became the second most
> popular FF chain. Then McDonald's bought RR out. Do I see a pattern
here?!
>
> -Naz
>
>
was selling Roy Rogers chicken for a while.
Tom Hornikel
http://tjhornikel.cjb.net
Jeff Troutman
> Jamie wrote:
>
> >A&W drivein - I remember mostly from the 60's, which was such a cool
> >thing when I was 8 or so.
>
> There's an A&W in Jacksonville, Alabama that's a combo with Long John
Silver's.
> (I know there are likely many more but that's the closest one to me.)
>
The only A&W I've seen in my area of Virginia is in a mall.
Jeff Troutman
rach
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posting
Jamie M.
>This reminds me of another long-gone restaurant called The Ground Round. Was
>this a national chain or just here in Chicago? I remember hamburgers and I
>remember being encouraged to drop peanut shells on the floor, but that's about
>it.
Never been to it, but there's still one in Niagara Falls NY.
Jamie
MartiDave
<killer...@verizon.net> writes:
> I deal with people stereo typing me all the time...I am
>Caucasian who is married with two children and I live in suburbia...it is
>assumed all the time that I am Christian. I'm not. When I tell someone
>that I'm, for lack of a perfect word, Buddhist, they can't understand it
>and want to convert me to their religion. I always ask, If I were Asian,
>would it then be acceptable?
I feel for you. My name is David Spiegel, and my wife works as a synagogue. I
hang out with the Rabbis. My one hospital ID says just clergy. People assume
that I am a rabbi, and a practicing Jew. It is not the same as your situation,
but it is another case of how we stereotype .
Dave
MartiDave
(LizzieZ) writes:
>This reminds me of another long-gone restaurant called The Ground Round. Was
>this a national chain or just here in Chicago? I remember hamburgers and I
>remember being encouraged to drop peanut shells on the floor, but that's
>about
>it.
>
>Liz
We still have Ground Round here in Central NJ. It has really gone what I call
mid-level family style, very similar to Chili's or Applebees. No more peanuts
on the floor though. Food is not bad, but it won't blow you away either.
Dave
Killer Rabbit
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As I have taught my son that it's harder to be good than bad, it's also just
as difficult not to judge people on sight. I just force myself to be more
tolerant....when in fact inside I just want to scream at them for their
shortcomings! ;-)
Lori =^.^=
Beatlfilms
>silent movie reels while you ate.
That's the one I miss. I vividly recall seeing old Batman serials there. And I
also received a little straw hat there if I remember correctly.
Shawn
Buddy from Brooklyn at Work
Now, since that whole racist thing was brought up by Sambo's; I guess
if I was the sensitive type, or had a thin skin (which I'm not-and I
dont), this could be construed to be racist in the same way as the
America Indian has a complaint. Seeing as some (of northern European
stock) dont quite consider Italians-particularly southern Italians- as
quite white (that whole Hannibal thing I guess)then some might be
offended. I am not easily offended, nor am I very sensitive (just ask
anyone who has had a conversation with me). Hell, I even like the joke
about the guy who gave the Organ Grinder's monkey a buck saying "Those
Italians are cute when they're kids." If you search far enough into my
family tree you will probably come up with several African warriors,
and a Viking or two. Fuck all this PC bullshit. Let's all just relax a
little bit. Relax the muscles in that asshole. Ease up a bit. You'll
live longer. No one amongst us is without sin-somewhere in our lives.
Overcoming the racism in society and in ourselves is the ideal. But
let's not become one large, reverse Nazi, PC society either. That's
the PETA thread. In their desire to do good, they end up being
assholes who spray paint women's furs red, etc.
I wasn't crazy about Super Mario either. But it's a fucking
game. They aint rounding up mustached Italian plumbers and putting
them into camps. All IMHO, and just from my perspective.
To call some people Sambo is demeaning but to call others Fritz,
or Paddy can be seen the same way. It's all a matter of who you're
talking to AND in what tone of voice. To call a black man in N.y.
Mandela, at the time that Nelson Mandela was first released and came
to N.Y.C., was a mark of pride and respect. I have one friend in the
hospital who I speak with daily. He's Indian. He calls me motherfucker
(one of the few who can get away with that), and I call him Gunga Din.
It's all a part of that man/insult thing that some men do. I have
another friend that when we meet in the hall he gives me the knuckle
to knuckle version of the handshake and say's "EYE-talian" and I
answer "Black man". It's not so much the words that are used but the
feeling behind 'em. Still I think a whole lot of people need to
lighten up. Life is too short, and it aint gettin' any longer.
Raphael
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>
> "Jamie M." <myst...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > >anybody remember Woolworth's K-Mart type stores called Woolco?
> >
> >
> > Jamie
>
> They shut them down here...........the buildings then became Wal-Marts
> (:PPPPPP)
Yep, same thing happened in Nova Scotia, for the most part. The buildings
that Wal-Mart didn't want were just left vacant.
There used to be a Woolco in Bangor, Maine...I think it's an "Ames" store
now.
Erin ">
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Favorite '70s
> Restaurant That's Now Gone proclaiming:
> >"Ugly" <baba...@drlauramail.com> wrote in message
> >news:xZLh9.60260$561....@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> >anybody remember Woolworth's K-Mart type stores called Woolco?
>
> The Towers stores were converted to Woolco stores before they were shut
down altogether.
> Where Towers once stood, it was long abandoned, an eyesore, until a new
outfit from down
> south called Wal-Mart bought it up. Meanwhile the remainder of Towers at
the time had
> become Woolco in the expansion of a local shopping mall. Didn't last long
and closed down.
> In the past few months after being abandoned for a few years, a bowling
alley took its
> place. Meanwhile, when K-Mart went belly up, The Hudson Bay Company
(Canada's oldest
> retail chain dating back to about 1620) took up its premises. I believe
HBC (also
> affectionately known as "The Bay") has taken ownership of Zellers but
these stores seem to
> remain open - for now.
Locally, the Towers stores were converted to Zeller's stores. Most of those
stores are either still Zeller's today, or have been converted to The Bay.
Woolco's became Wal-Marts and K-Mart's just went vacant. I don't see The
Bay closing their Zellers' stores any time soon, Zeller's are a different
breed of store than The (overpriced) Bay is.
Erin ">
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Loribeth Hawkeye
> My husband is part Native American (the PC term for "American Indian") and
> he has no problem with mascots with the exception of Redskins...which is
> definatly a deragatory term!!
I agree with every thing you said and by no means am I trying to be
sarcastic. But I must say this...when I was growing up (in the 70's,
remember Wounded Knee?), my Mamma always told me I was Indian. I am not
sure who came up with the term Native American and I am sure it sounds all
PC but if you talk to any Indian, especially the elders and they will say
they are Indian or American Indian. You will usually hear, "well, anyone
born to America is Native American". So I don't know. I guess it is all a
matter of how you are raised and who raised ya.
I just want to share a little story with you about what happened to my
Mom and I in the early 60's. My Mom and I were getting on a bus to go back
to Oklahoma from Georgia. As we were getting on the bus the bus driver
signaled for my Mom and I to go to the back of the bus. People of color
where made to go to the back in those days as you all well know. I remember
my Mom looking at the bus driver and then turning and holding her head high,
she took me by the hand and we walked to the back of the bus. Now, when I
look back on that through the eyes of a child what I saw was a woman who
simply walked to the back of a bus. As an adult, I only felt enormous pride
for her while she was faced with degrading racism.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that in one way or another we
all have experienced the looks or the stares because we look different or
act different. And who ever said it earlier in this thread was right when
they said racism has and always will be, had it right. I think it is all a
matter of how we except it or deal with it. Is the glass half empty or is
it half full???
Thanks for reading,
LB
WiNK
soda fountain/candy counter attached to the main restaurant. It was a
really popular place to have a b-day party.......and by the time I was old
enough, the damn thing was closed!! I loved how you could watch the guys
make the pizza through the window. :-)
Nadine
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Marlene Blanshay
> > I don't know much about Sambo's restaurants. My guess is that the guy who
> > found it was probably named sam something, and sambo was his nickname?
> > That's my guess. Unless they had some horrible, racist logo/mascot or
> > something, like a guy eating watermelon and smiling or some such thing,
> > which I doubt they had. I never saw one of those restaurants.
>
> I think the name Sambo originates from a children's book from ( I think) the
> book report on Judy Blume's "Iggy's House" and used the Sambo book as an
> example of racist literature, thus tying it into the story in Iggy's House.
>
> The book was called " Little Black Sambo" and in addition to the less than
> flattering cartoon like drawings of a black family, it also made reference
> to every stereotype going at that time (watermelon eating, sitting on the
> named the parents Black Mambo or something like that. I had borrowed it
> from a neighbour who had children that had gotten the book before it was
> banned or whatever. In saying all this, I think calling someone of an older
> generation " Sambo " would be just as bad as any other racial slur.
>
I know about "sambo" but I was thinking about the origin of the name of
the restaurants. Anyone know?
Marlene Blanshay
<loribet...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> It is racist...no way getting around that. The term Black Sambo is just not
> right. But now being that I am American Indian...is the Mascot term
> Cleveland Indians okay to use? Or how about the Braves...or the Chiefs. Oh
> I got one...the term Squaw??? These words are used everyday to make money
> and to degrade woman...Just a thought. God I went and did it now huh?
> Thanks for reading...
> LB
Yeah, and how about that thing they do with the Tomohawks at braves games?
I'm not Miss PC, but I have to admit, that's kind of offensive. I don't
know how american indians feel about it in general, but I imagine it
ranges from offended to sort of amused.
Killer Rabbit
"Loribeth Hawkeye" <loribet...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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> Oh no not at all....I reall ydid think it was a large black cat....
> Sorry...
> LB
Oh, cool. My paranoia/female sensitivity level is a little high this week.
;-)
Lori =^.^=
Killer Rabbit
"Loribeth Hawkeye" <loribet...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Killer Rabbit" <killer...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:u89i9.466$1D...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>
> > My husband is part Native American (the PC term for "American Indian")
and
> > he has no problem with mascots with the exception of Redskins...which is
> > definatly a deragatory term!!
>
> I agree with every thing you said and by no means am I trying to be
> sarcastic. But I must say this...when I was growing up (in the 70's,
> remember Wounded Knee?), my Mamma always told me I was Indian. I am not
> sure who came up with the term Native American and I am sure it sounds all
> PC but if you talk to any Indian, especially the elders and they will say
> they are Indian or American Indian.
Yeah, my husband still uses the term "Indian" at times simply because, as
you said, he was told that was what he is. He has adjusted his terminology
mainly because he's had his ass chewed for calling himself an Indian! LOL!
I mean, I'm French, Russian, Lithuanian, Irish, Scottish and German...there
are a *lot* of different names for me. I prefer the term mutt, actually.
;-)
You will usually hear, "well, anyone
> born to America is Native American". So I don't know. I guess it is all
a
> matter of how you are raised and who raised ya.
> I just want to share a little story with you about what happened to my
> Mom and I in the early 60's. My Mom and I were getting on a bus to go
back
> to Oklahoma from Georgia. As we were getting on the bus the bus driver
> signaled for my Mom and I to go to the back of the bus. People of color
> where made to go to the back in those days as you all well know. I
remember
> my Mom looking at the bus driver and then turning and holding her head
high,
> she took me by the hand and we walked to the back of the bus. Now, when I
> look back on that through the eyes of a child what I saw was a woman who
> simply walked to the back of a bus. As an adult, I only felt enormous
pride
> for her while she was faced with degrading racism.
You should feel proud of your mom, she took the meaning of stiff upper lip
to a higher level. I would have to wonder if I would have been able to be
as tolerant with that bus driver.
> I guess the point I am trying to make is that in one way or another we
> all have experienced the looks or the stares because we look different or
> act different.
LOL! Being an oddball in school, I know this is true!
Lori =^.^=
Killer Rabbit
"Buddy from Brooklyn at Work" <thewand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If you search far enough into my
> family tree you will probably come up with several African warriors,
> and a Viking or two.
LOL! My great grandmother was found on a doorstep when she was an infant so
we have no idea what nationality she was. I saw a picture of her and it's
hard to say...she had a somewhat flat nose, olive coloring and black hair.
I always think she could have been anymixture of nationalities! Going by
the area, she could have been a mix of Polish, Greek, Italian, Native
American, possibly even black...who knows!
>Fuck all this PC bullshit. Let's all just relax a
> little bit. Relax the muscles in that asshole.
Hey now...I'm not so anal retentive that I suck up furniture when I sit, but
I refuse to relax my asshole mscles! ;-)
Ease up a bit. You'll
> live longer. No one amongst us is without sin-somewhere in our lives.
> Overcoming the racism in society and in ourselves is the ideal. But
> let's not become one large, reverse Nazi, PC society either. That's
> the PETA thread. In their desire to do good, they end up being
> assholes who spray paint women's furs red, etc.
PETA is waaaayyyyy to militant for me!!
> I wasn't crazy about Super Mario either. But it's a fucking
> game. They aint rounding up mustached Italian plumbers and putting
> them into camps. All IMHO, and just from my perspective.
> To call some people Sambo is demeaning but to call others Fritz,
> or Paddy can be seen the same way. It's all a matter of who you're
> talking to AND in what tone of voice. To call a black man in N.y.
> Mandela, at the time that Nelson Mandela was first released and came
> to N.Y.C., was a mark of pride and respect. I have one friend in the
> hospital who I speak with daily. He's Indian. He calls me motherfucker
> (one of the few who can get away with that), and I call him Gunga Din.
> It's all a part of that man/insult thing that some men do. I have
> another friend that when we meet in the hall he gives me the knuckle
> to knuckle version of the handshake and say's "EYE-talian" and I
> answer "Black man". It's not so much the words that are used but the
> feeling behind 'em.
I think it's the in-your-face racial diversity of New York that can allow
friends to talk this way. When I lived there, I had 2 best friends that I
hung out with all the time(I still see them on occasion...I miss those
guys!!). JoJo is Puerto Rican (born in NYC) and Kim is half black, half
Cherokee Indian. We always ragged on each other. We'd tell JoJo to "go
back on her bean boat" or for Kim to go home to her wigwam. And me? Well,
being a mutt, they had there pick of nationalities but usually they just
told me to go get a tan! :-)
Lori =^.^=
MaryMc
beatl...@aol.com (Beatlfilms) wrote:
...unless you're thinking of Straw Hat Pizza--are they still around
anywhere? We had both in my home town, and both showed oldtime movies,
but only Straw Hat gave away the hats.
--
MaryMc
mary...@NOSPAM.mindspring.com
Visit my Seventies Page... and Have a Nice Day!
<http://www.casagordita.com/70s.htm/>
)
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"Espresso est, ergo cogito." C[_]
Naz Reyes
Thomas Hornikel wrote:
Actually, you're right about that. But, there were also Roy Rogers that were
never converted to Hardees, and just became McDonald's instead.
-Naz
Chris
Beer.
"Naz Reyes" <n...@american.edu> wrote in message
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Naz Reyes
Killer Rabbit wrote:
>
> Hey, there is always going to be prejudice, the key is to phase them
> out...to show that they are wrong by stereotyping. Just be careful being
> militant...it tends to piss people off instead of showing them how hurtful
> these names can be. I deal with people stereo typing me all the time...I am
> Caucasian who is married with two children and I live in suburbia...it is
> assumed all the time that I am Christian. I'm not. When I tell someone
> that I'm, for lack of a perfect word, Buddhist, they can't understand it
> and want to convert me to their religion. I always ask, If I were Asian,
> would it then be acceptable? Would you try to change me then? Anyway, the
> whole point I was trying to make was that the story was never meant to be a
> story of hatred.
>
> Lori =^.^=
Good for you, Lori. Don't let those ignorant fools (I'd like to use
another F word, but I won't...LOL) dictate to ya what you can and cannot do.
This is America. If you wanna practice Buddhism, and raise your 2
children in suburbia as a caucasian, that's up to you. If you wanna
practice, say, atheism, that's up to you also, and it's nobody's
business but YOURS.
As a proud gay person, I don't feed into any of these stereotypical
bullshit. If I wanna listen to EMINEM or LIMP BIZKIT while I'm driving
with my speakers full-blast, I'll do so. Nobody wrote in stone that I
*MUST* listen to Liza Minelli, or Liberace in order for me to be a good
homosexual.
I'm all fired up now...LOL...I feel kickin' some ass!!!!! LMAO ;-)
-Naz
Dixon Hayes
>the restaurants. Anyone know?
>
I think it was specifically named after the children's book. It's been 30+
years but as I recall, a tiger chased Sambo around a tree until the tiger
melted into butter and was used on pancakes. Since Sambo's started as a
pancake house that's the apparent connection.
Dixon Hayes
>
There used to be a place where I live called "Bubba's Steakhouse" that served
really spicy cajun peanuts as an appetizer, and you were encouraged to throw
the shells on the floor. Probably something very similar, kind of an
atmosphere/niche quirk.
Jude The Obscure
"Raphael" <istr...@ca.inter.net> wrote in message
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abandoned to build those obnoxious SuperCenters. There are three, count'em
three in nearby Lafayette!
Jude The Obscure
"rach" <trist...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I do, Jude! They were here in Canada until that devil-worshipping Walmart
> arrived.
>
>
This has been one helluva interesting thread--found out stuff about some of
the people here that I didn't have one iota of a clue about!
Thomas Hornikel
"Chris" <chrissi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In California we has a place called LUMS, where they steamed Hot dogs in
> Beer.
Ah yes! I fondly remember LUMS from their days in CTown. The hot dogs and
the fried fish were exceptionally good.
Tom Hornikel
http://tjhornikel.cjb.net
Sunshine State
something obvious here, but I thought the word meant "from India."
As "Italian" means "from Italy" and "German" means "from Germany."
Loribeth Hawkeye wrote:
> It is racist...no way getting around that. The term Black Sambo is just not
> right. But now being that I am American Indian...is the Mascot term
> Cleveland Indians okay to use? Or how about the Braves...or the Chiefs. Oh
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I got one...the term Squaw??? These words are used everyday to make money
> and to degrade woman...Just a thought. God I went and did it now huh?
> Thanks for reading...
> LB
>
> Check these out...
> http://groups.msn.com/WolfnHawk
> http://groups.msn.com/AmericanIndianWriters
>
> "rach" <trist...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Forgot one... Capoc Tree in Florida. Went there in the late 80s but it was
> > reportedly around in the 70s as well. Wicked cool place
> >
> > --
> > rach
> >
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> >
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> > "Killer Rabbit" <killer...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > >
> > > "rach" <trist...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:cc2i9.5376$w72.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > >
> > > > I think the name Sambo originates from a children's book from ( I
> think)
> > > the
> > > > 1930s.
> > >
> > > It was...Sambo's was originally a pancake house...you'll see why further
> > in
> > > this post.
> > >
> > >
> > > >I remember seeing it once when I was in about grade 6 and did my
> > > > book report on Judy Blume's "Iggy's House" and used the Sambo book as
> an
> > > > example of racist literature, thus tying it into the story in Iggy's
> > > House.
> > > >
> > > > The book was called " Little Black Sambo" and in addition to the less
> > than
> > > > flattering cartoon like drawings of a black family, it also made
> > reference
> > > > to every stereotype going at that time (watermelon eating, sitting on
> > the
> > > > porch, Aunt Jemima, poor, etc).
> > >
> > > Then you read the wrong book...there was nothing about watermellon
> eating
> > or
> > > sitting on the porch. As for Aunt Jemima, I can only assume you were
> > going
> > > by the way the mother is dressed. Well, the mother is just dressed in
> the
> > > garb of that country at the time. As for being poor, again, no
> reference
> > to
> > > being poor. Only that his mother had made his new clothes.
> > >
> > > The book is suggested to be set in India (because of the reference to
> > "ghi",
> > > the East Indian word for butter), but could be Africa. Since the story
> is
> > > about Sambo and a tiger, that would eliminate the U.S.
> > >
> > > It was in some kind of rhyme formula and
> > > > named the parents Black Mambo or something like that. I had borrowed
> it
> > > > from a neighbour who had children that had gotten the book before it
> was
> > > > banned or whatever. In saying all this, I think calling someone of an
> > > older
> > > > generation " Sambo " would be just as bad as any other racial slur.
> > >
> > > Yes, Sambo could now be a derogatory term, I guess. Just as "Charlie"
> > could
> > > be derogatory for a Vietnamese person. I think the racist part would be
> > the
> > > "little black" part, not so much the name Sambo.
> > >
> > > To get a better understanding of the book, click on this link. There is
> > the
> > > complete story (it's a short one) and then you will see what I'm talking
> > > about and why the restaurant used the name "Sambo".
> > >
> > > http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/sambo.htm
> > >
> > > Lori =^.^=
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Sunshine State
"Jamie M." wrote:
>
> Harvey's - esp. the french fries and onion rings
>
Sunshine State
Raphael wrote:
> Aaahhh!! The Old Spaghetti Factory! There's a name I have heard in ages!
> Or the Ice Cream Factory! And Swenson's!!
Sunshine State
Sunshine State
Sunshine State
Miami Beach location a week before they closed. I hope it sells for big
bucks some day so I can retire early. :-)
Nanc wrote:
> I miss the food counter in Woolworth's. I wish it was still there so I could
> take my daughter : (
> Nanc
>
> robert arndt wrote in message
> <9b35beb1.02091...@posting.google.com>...
> >I miss two fast food places- Burger Chef and Herfy's. I thought Burger
> >Chef was a lot better than McDonalds and had better toys in their "fun
> >meals". Their kite shaped restaurants and signs really stood out.
> >Herfy's OTOH was my local fast food place. I remember their big sign
> >with the cow on it. They made a decent burger, shake, and fries... but
> >were more expensive than Burger Chef.
> >Sadly, both are gone forever. Hardee's owns the rights to Burger Chef
> >but won't even bring back the menu even though lots of people want
> >Burger Chef back. It's a damn shame, so I've never ate at Hardee's and
> >never will.
> >Oh yeah, our family used to eat at Smorgabob's too!!!
> >
> >Rob
Sunshine State
still several.
Ugly wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 04:13:06 GMT, Jude The Obscure babbled on about Re: Favorite '70s
> Restaurant That's Now Gone proclaiming:
>
> >
> >"Ugly" <baba...@drlauramail.com> wrote in message
> >news:xZLh9.60260$561....@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> >> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:30:16 GMT, Nanc babbled on about Re: Favorite '70s
> >Restaurant
> >> That's Now Gone proclaiming:
> >>
> >> >I miss the food counter in Woolworth's. I wish it was still there so I
> >could
> >> >take my daughter : (
> >> >Nanc
> >>
> >> But I don't miss Woolworth's.
> >>
> >
> >anybody remember Woolworth's K-Mart type stores called Woolco?
>
Sunshine State
maybe it's not exactly the same as the other one was?
Chris wrote:
> LUMS
>
> "Ggreg Snyder" <snyd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Nanc" <nos...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:cpLh9.7660$L12.1721@sccrnsc02...
> > > I miss the food counter in Woolworth's. I wish it was still there so I
> > could
> > > take my daughter : (
> > > Nanc
> >
> > They made a heckuva grilled cheese sandwich, didn't they?
> >
> >
> > Ggreg
> >
> >
> > --
> > ============================
> > For all the most recent SNYDE-NEWS,
> > check out http://ggregsnyder.com
> >
> >
> >
Sunshine State
Sunshine State
Jeff Troutman wrote:
> "robert arndt" <teut...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I miss two fast food places- Burger Chef and Herfy's. I thought Burger
> > Chef was a lot better than McDonalds and had better toys in their "fun
> > meals". Their kite shaped restaurants and signs really stood out.
> > Herfy's OTOH was my local fast food place. I remember their big sign
> > with the cow on it. They made a decent burger, shake, and fries... but
> > were more expensive than Burger Chef.
> > Sadly, both are gone forever. Hardee's owns the rights to Burger Chef
>
> I miss Burger Chef, too. And Shakey's Pizza, where you could catch old
> silent movie reels while you ate.
>
> Jeff Troutman