This gives us the ideal opportunity for a misc meet.
Venue : Kent Beer Festival (http://www.kentbeerfestival.co.uk/)
Time:7pm - Till we get kicked out.
Date: 27/07/02 (also 25/07/02 and 26/07/02)
Theme: Real Beer
Notes: Good company, good beer, possibly good music.
D
--
SAA Assistant Diving Instructor, CSE yr1 Course Rep, Member of Steering.
All views are my own unless stated otherwise
"the gravitational pull of a perfect cup of coffee rises exponentially with
the number of hours since you slept." - Mario D. Santana
Since people keep harassing me to go, I suppose I had better try and get
there.
Actually I can't make 27th due to work, could possibly so 26th though
look at me! No top posting. Why did u leave it so long to tell me it
irritated u. I do it all the time.
Tiggs (wooooopa)
--
"i'm not a bitch i'm THE bitch and i'm miss bitch to you"
> Notes: Good company, good beer, possibly good music.
You're not going then?
> I is working, but I'll be there in spirt heh heh, in spirt to a beer
> festival heh heh I is soo funny I'll think I'll just have to wet myself ;)
> </cheese>
> shame really, it would be nice to catch up with / meet everyone :(
Working in the evening? I thought you worked for Maplin? Are they open that
late?
<cheese>
I don't usually finish till 6:20, home at 6:45 45mins drive to Canterbury
so including changing after work and eating means arriving in Canterbury at
the earliest 8pm plus If I were to partake in any of the fine ales on offer
then I would be unfit to drive after a single pint so I would then be unable
to make my way home and would hence be stuck in Canterbury, not a bad thing
but no comparison to my own bed.
Hate to say it but a fair few ppl from here are due in Surrey for someones
birthday...oh well....
Besides Hastings Beer Festival is better. ;-)
Daniel
Nope, sorry. I refuse to leave London. If you want to attempt an acum meet
you'll have to come somewhere civilised, I'm afraid ;)
OK.... how about the Great British Beer Festival, at Olympia in London
on August 10th (also 6th-9th), which is open 11am-7pm (it opens later
on the weekdays).
How about The Raymond Review Bar, thats in London !
> > Venue : Kent Beer Festival
> Nope, sorry. I refuse to leave London.
Judging by the souvenirs available at the tat-shops on the highstreet, you'd
think Canterbury IS in London.
Brendan
Forgot to ask this morning :
Who was asking about me ?
Will there be any girls there ? (apart from those from misc), I've never
been
to a "beer festival" so I hope it's not just full of blokes.
I have an appropreate shirt to wear to a beer festival, it's to do with beer
and shagging !
BTW: I thought I was being mugged when you acosted me this morning,
was miles away, thinking about this girl in Boots I hit on today, hmmmmmmmmm
:)
I dunno, doubt many miscers will be there thursday, they will mainly be
there on saturday.
> Forgot to ask this morning :
> Who was asking about me ?
Someone was asking about you?
> Will there be any girls there ? (apart from those from misc), I've never
> been
> to a "beer festival" so I hope it's not just full of blokes.
Women do drink beer, yes.
> I have an appropreate shirt to wear to a beer festival, it's to do with beer
> and shagging !
No comment.
> BTW: I thought I was being mugged when you acosted me this morning,
> was miles away, thinking about this girl in Boots I hit on today, hmmmmmmmmm
> :)
I was aiming for you was going to crash into you but then I realised today I
am on my nice touring bike and didn't want to damage it, had I been on my
normal heap of junk, I may have taken more careful aim.
You realised, that I would sue you for every penny you have, not much,
but it's every thing you've got
>
> You realised, that I would sue you for every penny you have, not much,
> but it's every thing you've got
And that would make you happy would it? Ah well... little things....
Vikki
--
A radioactive cat has eighteen half-lives.
I am going to be a LAWYER, suing people is what LAWYERS do FFS !
Can't make Saturday
> Someone was asking about you?
>
Thats what you said !
> I was aiming for you was going to crash into you but then I realised today
I
> am on my nice touring bike and didn't want to damage it, had I been on my
> normal heap of junk, I may have taken more careful aim.
>
You realised, that I would sue you for every penny you have, not much,
> I am going to be a LAWYER, suing people is what LAWYERS do FFS !
Yes I realise that. No need to shout. But to your job will be to sue on
behalf of others surely, not for yourself? That's all. Jeez. No need to be
so touchy.
I have a shirt from this company,
http://www.shagdrinks.com/ I picked it up from a girl
who worked for them, and ironically, I shagged her !
> I have a shirt from this company,
> http://www.shagdrinks.com/ I picked it up from a girl
> who worked for them, and ironically, I shagged her !
Quelle surprise!
Vikki
--
I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but they've
always worked for me.
Not really, I'll sue anyone for anything, in fact I plan to make a lot of
money
suing people on my own behalf, then I'm going to write a book, called
"Sue your way to millions- The Lazy mans guide to wealth" and that will
make me even more money.
> Not really, I'll sue anyone for anything, in fact I plan to make a lot
> of money
> suing people on my own behalf, then I'm going to write a book, called
> "Sue your way to millions- The Lazy mans guide to wealth" and that will
> make me even more money.
Wonderful. But you'll never be happy. It just doesn't happen that way.
Why do I bother.... you won't listen or understand. You'll just go off and
try to make your millions and shag girls who will sell their stories in the
Sun.
Wasn't it William Shakespeare who said "Kill all the lawyers"?
-NQB-W
> Wasn't it William Shakespeare who said "Kill all the lawyers"?
>
> -NQB-W
Shakespeare's great!
Vikki
--
Nice computers don't go down
WOO HOO!
> Thats what you said !
I did?
> You realised, that I would sue you for every penny you have, not much,
> but it's every thing you've got
Traggic, I would have looked forward to it.
> I've always wanted a sex scandal story about me, the Sun or News of the
> World,
> it's one of my ambitions!
Eh up, I believe we have found our generation's Jeffrey Archer.
:o)
-NQB-W
Yes, but he had to retract that statement or face legal action !
I've always wanted a sex scandal story about me, the Sun or News of the
Question to the rest of acum and misc.
Had I crashed into lenny on my bike earlier, doing all on misc a great service
would people be willing to contribute to the legal expensises? Just interested
for next time I am tempted?
> Yes, but he had to retract that statement or face legal action !
No he didn't, he just wrote a bunch of plays sucking up to the Queen.
He also had a secret killer steel ruff a la Oddjob.
-NQB-W
Oh yea, he's a Lord aswell, there must be something to do with being a
Lord !
Well next time you see me, knock me over, and let the fun begin !
> Oh yea, he's a Lord aswell, there must be something to do with being a
> Lord !
You do know he's in prison, don't you?
-NQB-W
> Oh yea, he's a Lord aswell, there must be something to do with being a
> Lord !
Were you born with the title or was someone silly enough to give it to you?
What's a Lord doing wasting his time at Uni. Shouldn't you be tucked away in
a big house in the countryside shooting grouse?
Vikki
--
I haven't lost my mind; it's back up on tape somewhere.
> Had I crashed into lenny on my bike earlier, doing all on misc a great
> service would people be willing to contribute to the legal expensises?
> Just interested for next time I am tempted?
Absolutely... But I think I know a man who can deal with Lenny, saving you
the expense altogether.
Vikki
--
You're never alone with schizophrenia.
You'll have to hire a solicitor at £200 an hour you'll need to raise a lot
of money
Hereditary.
Just a title (and a small trust fund) but no big house in the countryside
alas,
yes I agree with you I should be tucked away in a big house in the
countryside
shooting grouse, shagging the maid, terrorising the locals in my Range
Rover,
etc. I went out with the daughter of a Duke, if that had worked out, then I
would
have been I guess. Still plenty more shaggable debs out there, every year
new ones
come along, but first I have to do the "university thing", shag some locals,
then find
someone "suitable" to marry and have affairs on the side.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I could never understand why we studied his works at school, has benifited me
in no way what so ever, infact it put me off reading having to do the book
stuff at school, cos the books they chose for us to study were always boring
and not the kind I like. Once I left school I started to like books again
and now read more, But I think shakespear did help put me off!
till I realised that all my so-called friends in canterbury didn't give a
flying f*** whether I went or not
But have now decided to see if my old school pal and her boyf who live in
ashford are gonna go and go with them.
So if I see anybody around there, expect no more then a sarcastic grin
For this cause, I don't doubt there will be no problems atall!
Ooh, excellent, means I don't have to trash the front wheel of the bike either,
great!
> You're never alone with schizophrenia.
UM, only two of me agree with this, the other one thinks its lonely being with
2 other people the same :o)
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
> I could never understand why we studied his works at school, has benifited me
> in no way what so ever, infact it put me off reading having to do the book
> stuff at school, cos the books they chose for us to study were always boring
> and not the kind I like. Once I left school I started to like books again
> and now read more, But I think shakespear did help put me off!
"If music be the food of love, play on.
Give me excess of it, that surfeiting.
The appetite may sicken and so die,
that strain again, it had a dying fall.
O, it came o'er my ear like that sweet sound
that breathes among a bank of violets,
stealing and giving odour,
enough, no more;
tis not so sweet now as 'twas before.
O, spirit of love, how quick and fresh art thou,
that notwithstanding thy capacity,
receiveth as the sea,
nought enters there.
Of what validity and pitch so'er,
but falls into abatement and low price.
Even in a minute, so full of shapes is fancy,
that it alone is high fantastical."
...You do have a point.
-NQB-W
So when are you going to donate 1/2 million pounds to the Labour party :)
James
> I could never understand why we studied his works at school, has benifited
me
> in no way what so ever, infact it put me off reading having to do the book
> stuff at school, cos the books they chose for us to study were always
boring
> and not the kind I like. Once I left school I started to like books again
> and now read more, But I think shakespear did help put me off!
If you don't like Shakespeare, fair enough, but I would like to see someone
put a serious case together for Shakespeare being crap that could stand up
to close scrutiny.
This is bad, very bad, I AGREE with Ducttape !
Why Shakespeare ? It's just because it has become fashionable to say you
like it,
like French films, they are the most boring films ever. The language of
Shakespeare
is like reading a poorly translated owners manual for a VCR.
Ahhhhh I'll take you Sophie :)
> like French films, they are the most boring films ever.
What, even Amelie, Dobermann and La Haine?
Sounds like the name of some bird I shagged once, Amy !
>Dobermann
Thats the bloke out of Sgt. Bilko (Phil Sivlers Show)
>and La Haine?
>
He's that guy who posts on here sometimes
> Once I left school I started to like books again
> and now read more, But I think shakespear did help put me off!
Ah, but if I may venture a humble opinion, it's not Shakespeare's work that
is at fault, but the manner in which it is taught.
Brendan
I am inclined to think this oppinion carries much wait, I still don't
understand how we are supposed to study a work of literature and analyse it,
all I want to do is escape for a while into a book.
I generally agree, especially when it comes to Shakespeare. They're often
not even his stories, he just told other people's ideas in an interesting or
amusing way.
Did you know, for example, that before Shakespeare's time there was a play
called Amleth, about a Danish prince whose Uncle had murdered his Kingly
Father, to usurp the throne, and whose Queenly Mother Gerutha had then
married his now Kingly Uncle. Sound familiar...?[1]
I often do object to having to analyse a piece of writing to the point of
literary crucifixion, when it was only meant for light amusement. There's
no point treating Shakespeare, or the work of many other authors, as
philosophical debate. It always amuses me when English students produce a
five page essay on a five line poem.
[1] http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/amleth.html
Brendan
> Why Shakespeare ? It's just because it has become fashionable to say
> you like it,
> like French films, they are the most boring films ever.
Well I liked Shakespeare before it was fashionable to. Each to their own and
all that.
Vikki
--
Anyone who says that air is free is not a diver.
> Ah, but if I may venture a humble opinion, it's not Shakespeare's work
> that is at fault, but the manner in which it is taught.
Yeah if your teacher does all the funny voices it helps a lot.
> Well I liked Shakespeare before it was fashionable to.
You're such a trendsetter.
--
'The condom is the glass slipper of our generation. You slip one on when
you meet a stranger, you dance all night, and then you throw it away. The
condom I mean, not the stranger.'
- Marla Singer, Fight Club
> > I am inclined to think this oppinion carries much wait, I still don't
> > understand how we are supposed to study a work of literature and analyse
> it,
> > all I want to do is escape for a while into a book.
So all you value in a book is a decent and engrossing story then? Can you
really not judge why a novel by Dickens or Burroughs or Pynchon or whoever
is better than a novel by Jackie Collins or Terry Pratchett?
> I generally agree, especially when it comes to Shakespeare. They're often
> not even his stories, he just told other people's ideas in an interesting
or
> amusing way.
>
> Did you know, for example, that before Shakespeare's time there was a play
> called Amleth, about a Danish prince whose Uncle had murdered his Kingly
> Father, to usurp the throne, and whose Queenly Mother Gerutha had then
> married his now Kingly Uncle. Sound familiar...?[1]
>
> I often do object to having to analyse a piece of writing to the point of
> literary crucifixion, when it was only meant for light amusement. There's
> no point treating Shakespeare, or the work of many other authors, as
> philosophical debate. It always amuses me when English students produce a
> five page essay on a five line poem.
But it IS philosophical debate though. If you read Shakespeare and then
read something by Marlowe or Kidd or any of his predecessors it becomes
strikingly obvious that he was addressing philosophical ideas that hadn't
really been touched by the medium before. Plus, bear in mind his characters
are far more rounded than those of most of his contemporaries... If you can
produce a five page essay on a five line poem you are not JUST addressing
the poem itself but the issues and debates it raises (although it depends on
the quality of the passage itself). Essentially, what you are saying is
that this stuff isn't worthy of detailed analysis because it was only meant
as light entertainment, which in my opinion is just plain wrong. Obviously
it was intended to entertain as well, hence the high proportion of people
dying nasty and bloody deaths, but it was what Shakespeare expressed through
the medium of well-told stories, how he subverted the form, that made him
great.
I value the story of a book yes, I really enjoyed books like "Player of Games"
Iain M Banks, or Earth by David Brin, or any of Neal Stephensons books. The
thing about all of them was they were so brilliantly written that with all of
them I really couldn't put them down, I got so into the story I could picture
it all, I could imagine what mawkrin Skell Looks like, I knew how the gazer
works, It was all so vivid, it feels like I am there! I can smell the burning
plants on the fire planet, I can hear the buzz of the jungle, the stench of
buring flesh, I am there. And it feels great, I can escape from this shit life
and get to somewhere interesting, escapism! nothing more.
At the same time I can analysis the way Neal Stephenson uses the idea of the
meta verse and Nuero linguistic hacking, and compare and contrast the world
of the diamond age with that of the culture, but why whats the point? Its
intellectual masturbation, pumping away for what really is no great purpose.
A book (in general) is there to be enjoyed and to give a message, not for
poor students to have to analyse with a flea comb. If you really need to go
through it with a flea comb to find the message or hunt for other messages,
then the author screwed up!
> But it IS philosophical debate though. If you read Shakespeare and then
> read something by Marlowe or Kidd or any of his predecessors it becomes
> strikingly obvious that he was addressing philosophical ideas that hadn't
> really been touched by the medium before. Plus, bear in mind his characters
> are far more rounded than those of most of his contemporaries... If you can
> produce a five page essay on a five line poem you are not JUST addressing
> the poem itself but the issues and debates it raises (although it depends on
> the quality of the passage itself). Essentially, what you are saying is
> that this stuff isn't worthy of detailed analysis because it was only meant
> as light entertainment, which in my opinion is just plain wrong. Obviously
> it was intended to entertain as well, hence the high proportion of people
> dying nasty and bloody deaths, but it was what Shakespeare expressed through
> the medium of well-told stories, how he subverted the form, that made him
> great.
OK, you think it is a skill to get 5 pages of waffle from 5 lines, how would
you fair with say, 15 syllabuls
Saying 'just one game'
they began to play...
That was yesterday
Japanese Senryu Poem (talking about the game of GO)
Not alot, the message it is was written to give is simple, the game of Go is
complex and when at a high level can't be easily played quickly. There is no
point in anaylsing it any further.
Do you get my point? Literature is to be enjoyed, not to be wanked about in
essays by poor students.
Now just to put the exception at the bottom, occasionally you get books which
although have a fantastic story are written so that the one who understands
the story learns an important lesson from it, but theses books don't really
need a x page essay about them.
> But it IS philosophical debate though. If you read Shakespeare and then
> read something by Marlowe or Kidd or any of his predecessors it becomes
> strikingly obvious that he was addressing philosophical ideas that hadn't
> really been touched by the medium before.
[...]
> Obviously
> it was intended to entertain as well, hence the high proportion of people
> dying nasty and bloody deaths, but it was what Shakespeare expressed
through
> the medium of well-told stories, how he subverted the form, that made him
> great.
Woah there... I'm speaking from a midpoint in this discussion. I've studied
English, Theatre and Philosophy, so I recognise the inherent literary value,
and increased intelligence of, Shakespearian prose. But his plays are
rather like Chaucer's stories in the Canterbury Tales. Some have great
literary value, some have hot pokers up bums. Both writers were
experimenting with different narratives and literary styles, and the work
they produced displays, as a result, wide variations in intent and prose.
Some of Shakespeare has great literary value. Some has very little, and was
there just to amuse. Some Shakespeare is brilliant, and some, IMHO, is a
bit poo.
But I still don't like how it's taught. We went to see The Tempest with my
Theatre Studies and English A-Level groups combined. It was done in a
'different' style, and was actually one of the best Shakespearian
productions I've seen. But I remember my English teacher coming away and
saying he didn't really like it, because it wasn't 'how it was supposed to
be performed'. That's just it though - Shakespeare didn't write novels or
books, he wrote plays. Plays, certainly at the time, weren't meant to be
read, but seen. And some plays, including several of Shakespeare's, are
downright dull to read.
Brendan
what about ex-students that graduated but are still haging around
this fair city trying to get a job ?
> married his now Kingly Uncle. Sound familiar...?[1]
> [1] http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/amleth.html
Firmly in dissertation mode, I see. ;)
- Phil
--
" Access to Iraq's vast oil supplies are a key, if unspoken,
reason why the Bush administration has initiated plans to attack
Baghdad. Of course, as yet, no senior official in Washington has
publicly acknowledged this. To do so would be to eliminate
whatever remaining credibility the Bush administration has in
Europe and the Middle East. It could also provoke opposition in
the United States among those who question the sacrifice of
blood for oil."
--Washington's oilpolitik Michael T. Klare Salon - July 1
You were around in the olden days? Wow. You looked pretty good to me
considering you must have been way over 300 years old when I saw you.
Stephen
Come allong, your more than welcome.
You are a tragic figure of a man, can I make a documentary about you?
Paul
What a classy piece of web design. Tell me, do you actually know what
shagging is? More to the point, do you actually know what irony is?
Paul
> You are a tragic figure of a man, can I make a documentary about you?
I can see it now:
10.30pm - TWAT
Fly-on-the-wall documentary following the life of Leonard Byron James Albion
III, a braying, upper class law-student who genuinely deserves to die. This
week, Lenny sits drinking Hoegaarden in a "salt-of-the-earth" Canterbury
pub, wearing a ludicrously overpriced pink polo shirt and beige trousers,
and talking loudly to the three unattractive blokes he has self-consciously
selected to be his friends so that they will be genuinely impressed by the
stories he stories he tells about how he successfully pushed one finger
inside the vagina of an inebriated first-year girl of grossly-exaggerated
attractiveness while pushing her against the wall, possibly using phrases
like "suck it, bitch" and other things he would never DREAM of saying to a
real woman because he is actually a staggeringly cowardly, woefully
inadequate, miserably lonely and utterly insecure cunt. Features a cameo
appearance by Daniel McPherson.
Director - Paul Greenlagh
> Some of Shakespeare has great literary value. Some has very little, and
was
> there just to amuse. Some Shakespeare is brilliant, and some, IMHO, is a
> bit poo.
Yes, I agree with you hear. Love's Labour's Lost, for example, I think is
utter bollocks. Especially that bizarre Kenneth Branagh film.
> But I still don't like how it's taught. We went to see The Tempest with
my
> Theatre Studies and English A-Level groups combined. It was done in a
> 'different' style, and was actually one of the best Shakespearian
> productions I've seen. But I remember my English teacher coming away and
> saying he didn't really like it, because it wasn't 'how it was supposed to
> be performed'. That's just it though - Shakespeare didn't write novels or
> books, he wrote plays. Plays, certainly at the time, weren't meant to be
> read, but seen. And some plays, including several of Shakespeare's, are
> downright dull to read.
Definitely. I'm surprised anyone at my school came away with an interest in
reading bearing in mind how interminably dull English lessons used to be. I
think most Shakespeare is far too difficult for the average fifteen year old
to really get to grips with - especially when it's taught in a manner that
involves pupils sitting around the classroom, unenthusiastically taking a
part each and droning it out without understanding a word of it. That said,
everyone in my class enjoyed the Macbeth and Hamlet videos we watched, and
you all know how popular the Leonardo DiCaprio Romeo and Juliet was.
Waaaaah, I've missed it haven't I? Mind you I was supping beer in
Belgium like a good 'un. You'd have been proud of the mess.
> > If you want to attempt an acum meet you'll have to come
> > somewhere civilised, I'm afraid ;)
How about Southampton? It's nice down on the south coast.
> OK.... how about the Great British Beer Festival, at Olympia in London
> on August 10th (also 6th-9th), which is open 11am-7pm (it opens later
> on the weekdays).
Sounds like a plan. Anyone else interested?
Bill
lol
<italics>Have a yearning to write for tvgohome.com? The Kilroy team would
like to speak to you... </italics>
;)
Paul
[...]
lol
Brendan
> > http://www.shagdrinks.com/
> What a classy piece of web design. Tell me, do you actually know what
> shagging is? More to the point, do you actually know what irony is?
Good fookin grief. What exceptional use of Flash. Rather like Lenny.
Brendan
Ditto. I recall actually posting some of Henry V a while ago.
Wyatt
> Ditto. I recall actually posting some of Henry V a while ago.
Just his little finger to start with, but moving up to whole limbs until
the ransom was paid.
--
'A lot of actresses have complained that as they get older, the parts dry
up'
- Jimmy Young, Radio 2
> > Ditto. I recall actually posting some of Henry V a while ago.
> Just his little finger to start with, but moving up to whole limbs until
> the ransom was paid.
Unlike Henry IV which was posted in just two parts.
-NQB-W
In training to be an English teacher there I see...
Paul
> Paul
Indeed. Now write that out 100 times...
-NQB-W
Sarah Childs
Alas, was on 27/07/02 so you've missed it by a week.
Nick.
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