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Serhan Ogan

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Dec 20, 2008, 6:20:41 PM12/20/08
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If we look at a list of “powerful civilisations in history” we cannot
help to realize how really “powerful” they were in terms of the size
of land they occupied and the level of dominance they have inflicted
upon the people they have governed. Powerful nations today would be no
comparison to history’s great giants.
There is also another characteristic of that list that may seem
obvious at the first glance but may also be terrifying to realize and
perhaps should be alarming when applied to our current understanding
of international relations. That feature is that they all have
vanished, most of the time in carnage, inflicting tremendous pain and
suffering to their people and the human race.
One might say “So what? All empires rise and fall.”
Well, I believe that the carnage increases exponentially in time due
to ever increasing population and advancing weaponry or tactics. So
although my theory states that this apocalyptic progress is
unavoidable, I still want to believe that the re-realization of this
fact could, and should fuel a motivation for the people of politics in
order to consider a unified effort to stop it.
And if it can’t, the pain and suffering we will soon be on the verge
of experiencing is so great that the human race’s existence could be
jeopardized. There a signs, facts and ongoing events that show that
this is unfortunately an ongoing process, rather than a pessimistic
prediction of the times that are coming.
Every great war in history is followed by a time of fake peace and
pushed understanding since, the ruling and the educating part of the
society has a vivid memory of the suffering the wars has brought upon.
As soon as these generations disappear and the disturbing memories of
war become boring documentaries and books that dust in the libraries,
the war itself start to appear as a “solution” to problems where the
pursuit for peace seem to become more nonnegotiable and expensive.
Usually the defeated side in the previous war or a silently developing
nation at a forgotten corner finds the national will, space, time and
funds to create a better and stronger force or tactic which catches
the victor at a bad time when the hopes of everlasting peace has
transformed into cuts in its military spending and quest for ever
impossible political pursuit of international disarmament. Europe
today has far less military spending and funds for new arms research
compared to the times when it had mighty armies that dominated Far
East, Middle East and Africa. Although the weapons in its arsenal are
still highly affective, the strategy they are beginning to encounter
seems to be capable of defeating even the most advanced military
might. The September 11 attack is a first in history where an
absolutely powerful nation in terms of weaponry could suffer such
damage in the hearth of its nation. Not in any great war since the
beginning of history a nation has experienced such damage when she
possessed such an enormous military power. The new way of the weak
seems to start challenging the mighty, a lot earlier and bloodier than
thought.
If this ever-looping course is not interfered soon and strong enough,
the human race will bring its own demising apocalypse much earlier
than the gods has promised.
What is to be done?
1. The wealth of Far Eastern, African and South American nations that
has been confiscated by the powers of Europe during Colonial Times,
must be returned to them to create a global fiscal balance, where huge
economical gap among the world’s populations will be diminished, thus
removing the reason of hate, fuelled by resentment towards the rich.

2. The so called religious conflicts, (Israel-Palestine, Pakistan-
India, ...) should be redefined as conflicts of land and wealth, and
addressed in terms of financial grants thus creating prosperity for
the ones who are deprived of feasible land or access to any profitable
resource. (Cashmere region)

3. All above activities must be carried under the supervision of, to
be re-defined United Nations Charter and Security Counsel, agreed upon
by all means and by all nations, enforced and protected by the
proportionally equal joint forces from every nation. Under a complete
understanding and participation of every citizen on the planet.

Sound like a utopia? Well, if not accomplished, the real utopia is the
world peace itself.
To be continued...
Serhan Ogan 08’

EcoGenie

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Dec 27, 2008, 9:03:54 PM12/27/08
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This article is full of generalizations which are not based on
statistical analysis of historic facts. Also in this article certain
key words like "nation/race", "culture", "religion=law", "leadership"
used loosely. The article sounds like a jumble of United Nation
Charter which is good for nothing to result real action, begging
guidance from politicians;->
The writer of the article cannot point out what is wrong with the
existing dominant socio-politico-economic (SPE) system, perhaps
because of his lack of being in command of political concepts and
problems o four times.
The writer of the article ignores the importance of "law" and
"constitution" in the existing SPE structure and cannot see
similarities in that structure in existing nation oriented states.
Aslo he is not aware that this "nation state" is a half cooked
concept
of late French Revolution which is prepared bloody grounds for two
World Wars and laying the foundation to the Third. He ignores all
those facts and knit picks September 11 and conflict between Israelis
and Palestinians stamping them as "religious conflict" for he doesn't
know that "religion" means "laws" as well as some rituals build
around
them. In that sense the writer is unaware that modern SPE structures
are being based on laws are the religious structures themselves. It
is
obvious distortion to take Israeli and Palestinian conflict as laws
(religion) related while ignoring the US and EU attacks to Iraq and
Afghanistan as non-law (non-religion) related.
But than I don't blame the writer on that because this is the
Language
of modern secularo-fascist SPE structures. Those structures fight for
one thing - a mono-law to assimilate all to eliminate multiplicity
among nations to singularity. They tried this during the last two
wars
and they will keep on trying it if human beings do not dismiss them,
stop them as monolithic, number one enemy of human-beings by using
intellect.

> Serhan Ogan 08�

Serhan Ogan

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Dec 28, 2008, 4:59:52 PM12/28/08
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On 28 Aralık, 04:03, EcoGenie <Grandse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This article is full of generalizations which are not based on
> statistical analysis of historic facts.

First of all, the sayings "All empires rise and fall" and "History
repeats itself" are commonly accepted facts of which does not require
further investigation.
My hypothesis; Human race shall live through even a lot more suffering
and bloodier wars in the future if they can not interfere with the
cycle of destruction. Is also currently discussed and argued by many
scholars and related political authori ties. around the globe.

The article is arguing, against the colonial past, and the current
times of the Western civilization, enjoying prosperity, and tries to
communicate the fact that they must return the confiscated natural
resources to the rightful owner in terms of financial bail-outs, if
they want peace within, even themselves.

If you give 50 billion Euro's to Palestinians today, Hamas, that feeds
on poverty and misery will be starved.
They were deprived of their land therefore are eligible for the
reimbursement.

I at least "think" about ending the misery. No harm is anticipated.
The ideas within the article does not try to fuel hatred nor act
offensive in any way.

I simply say that the rich of the West are too rich, while people
starve to death in Somalia. This eventually will cause turmoil and
trigger the occasions that would lead towards the Western societies
demise..


Also in this article certain

> key words like "nation/race",... "culture", "religion=law", "leadership"


> used loosely. The article sounds like a jumble of United Nation
> Charter which is good for nothing to result real action, begging
> guidance from politicians;->

All the terms used are in correct places and does their duties
however, the hypothesis does require the re-definition of almost every
concept in Political Science and International Relations (my majors in
college). Aiming to create a socialist revolution where every soul on
the planet feels the responsibility to care, give and protect the
weak.

> The writer of the article cannot point out what is wrong with the
> existing dominant socio-politico-economic (SPE) system, perhaps
> because of his lack of being in command of political concepts and
> problems o four times.

Haven't got what was wrong, really?

It is a simple observation of the disturbing facts that one CEO in US
buys eleven high-class cars, while children starve to death somewhere
else.
The guy (CEO), cuts down to 5 cars and the child gets food.

Sounding simple, in practice probably impossible.


> The writer of the article ignores the importance of "law" and
> "constitution" in the existing SPE structure and cannot see
> similarities in that structure in existing nation oriented states.

The idea is not expected to flourish through the existing system. It
requires a major shake down of every
structural branches of the, you called it, SPE.

Therefore I intend to observe the situation, standing in my time, not
in the past.

If carried out well it may resemble the unification of Germany.


> Aslo he is not aware that this "nation state" is a half cooked
> concept
> of late French Revolution which is prepared bloody grounds for two
> World Wars and laying the foundation to the Third. He ignores all
> those facts and knit picks September 11

September 11 is, and will be a major corner stone in history. The
reason why 9/11 was mentioned is to draw attention to an observation,
concerning the amount of destruction a few man can inflict on a
superpower. It is a blow to a country, protected by two oceans and
capable of fighting anywhere around the world.

Every "political science" and "international relations" text books are
rewritten after 9/11.

Considering 9/11 as not an imported factor in world politics is
unintelligible.

and conflict between Israelis
> and Palestinians stamping them as "religious conflict" for he doesn't
> know that "religion" means "laws" as well as some rituals build
> around

So how do you explain the rulers in Iran declaring that Israel must be
destroyed? This is a major factor for Iran's international relations.

> them. In that sense the writer is unaware that modern SPE structures
> are being based on laws are the religious structures themselves. It
> is
> obvious distortion to take Israeli and Palestinian conflict as laws
> (religion)  related while ignoring the US and EU attacks to Iraq and
> Afghanistan as non-law (non-religion) related.

The attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan are of course religion related.
They are a reaction against an attack which pronounced undeniably
religious.

Israel vs. Palestine conflict is selected because of its unique
characteristics and perhaps would be the greatest challenge among all
other conflicts.

> But than I don't blame the writer on that because this is the
> Language
> of modern secularo-fascist SPE structures. Those structures fight for
> one thing - a mono-law to assimilate all to eliminate multiplicity
> among nations to singularity. They tried this during the last two
> wars
> and they will keep on trying it if human beings do not dismiss them,
> stop them  as monolithic, number one enemy of human-beings by using
> intellect.

One can be a world citizen yet carry his/her culture together. I do
not mention a global brainwash.

The idea states that the re-structuring shall be done by the countries
within themselves. Only monitoring is necessary which can be done
remotely.

Western Civilization is built on top of the wealth that is shipped out
from the colonies and European countries today present enough savings
to change the world while not receiving significant damage
themselves.

What is wrong with asking the West to accept the guilt and do
something about it?

Serhan Ogan

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Dec 28, 2008, 5:00:47 PM12/28/08
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On 28 Aralık, 04:03, EcoGenie <Grandse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This article is full of generalizations which are not based on
> statistical analysis of historic facts.

First of all, the sayings "All empires rise and fall" and "History


repeats itself" are commonly accepted facts of which does not require
further investigation.
My hypothesis; Human race shall live through even a lot more suffering
and bloodier wars in the future if they can not interfere with the
cycle of destruction. Is also currently discussed and argued by many

scholars and related political authorities. around the globe.

The article is arguing, against the colonial past, and the current
times of the Western civilization, enjoying prosperity, and tries to
communicate the fact that they must return the confiscated natural
resources to the rightful owner in terms of financial bail-outs, if
they want peace within, even themselves.

If you give 50 billion Euro's to Palestinians today, Hamas, that feeds
on poverty and misery will be starved.
They were deprived of their land therefore are eligible for the
reimbursement.

I at least "think" about ending the misery. No harm is anticipated.
The ideas within the article does not try to fuel hatred nor act
offensive in any way.

I simply say that the rich of the West are too rich, while people
starve to death in Somalia. This eventually will cause turmoil and
trigger the occasions that would lead towards the Western societies
demise..

Also in this article certain

> key words like "nation/race",... "culture", "religion=law", "leadership"


> used loosely. The article sounds like a jumble of United Nation
> Charter which is good for nothing to result real action, begging
> guidance from politicians;->

All the terms used are in correct places and does their duties


however, the hypothesis does require the re-definition of almost every
concept in Political Science and International Relations (my majors in
college). Aiming to create a socialist revolution where every soul on
the planet feels the responsibility to care, give and protect the
weak.

> The writer of the article cannot point out what is wrong with the


> existing dominant socio-politico-economic (SPE) system, perhaps
> because of his lack of being in command of political concepts and
> problems o four times.

Haven't got what was wrong, really?

It is a simple observation of the disturbing facts that one CEO in US
buys eleven high-class cars, while children starve to death somewhere
else.
The guy (CEO), cuts down to 5 cars and the child gets food.

Sounding simple, in practice probably impossible.

> The writer of the article ignores the importance of "law" and
> "constitution" in the existing SPE structure and cannot see
> similarities in that structure in existing nation oriented states.

The idea is not expected to flourish through the existing system. It


requires a major shake down of every
structural branches of the, you called it, SPE.

Therefore I intend to observe the situation, standing in my time, not
in the past.

If carried out well it may resemble the unification of Germany.

> Aslo he is not aware that this "nation state" is a half cooked
> concept
> of late French Revolution which is prepared bloody grounds for two
> World Wars and laying the foundation to the Third. He ignores all
> those facts and knit picks September 11

September 11 is, and will be a major corner stone in history. The


reason why 9/11 was mentioned is to draw attention to an observation,
concerning the amount of destruction a few man can inflict on a
superpower. It is a blow to a country, protected by two oceans and
capable of fighting anywhere around the world.

Every "political science" and "international relations" text books are
rewritten after 9/11.

Considering 9/11 as not an imported factor in world politics is
unintelligible.

and conflict between Israelis


> and Palestinians stamping them as "religious conflict" for he doesn't
> know that "religion" means "laws" as well as some rituals build
> around

So how do you explain the rulers in Iran declaring that Israel must be


destroyed? This is a major factor for Iran's international relations.

> them. In that sense the writer is unaware that modern SPE structures


> are being based on laws are the religious structures themselves. It
> is
> obvious distortion to take Israeli and Palestinian conflict as laws
> (religion) related while ignoring the US and EU attacks to Iraq and
> Afghanistan as non-law (non-religion) related.

The attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan are of course religion related.


They are a reaction against an attack which pronounced undeniably
religious.

Israel vs. Palestine conflict is selected because of its unique
characteristics and perhaps would be the greatest challenge among all
other conflicts.

> But than I don't blame the writer on that because this is the


> Language
> of modern secularo-fascist SPE structures. Those structures fight for
> one thing - a mono-law to assimilate all to eliminate multiplicity
> among nations to singularity. They tried this during the last two
> wars
> and they will keep on trying it if human beings do not dismiss them,
> stop them as monolithic, number one enemy of human-beings by using
> intellect.

One can be a world citizen yet carry his/her culture together. I do


not mention a global brainwash.

The idea states that the re-structuring shall be done by the countries
within themselves. Only monitoring is necessary which can be done
remotely.

Western Civilization is built on top of the wealth that is shipped out
from the colonies and European countries today present enough savings
to change the world while not receiving significant damage
themselves.

What is wrong with asking the West to accept the guilt and do
something about it?

>

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