Latino Gangs Wreak Havoc on Salem, Oregon
Darrell Fuhriman
> Gang violence is one of the prices you pay for prohibition. Another is
> the increase in theft and property crimes. The gangs are just settling a
> few business relationships in a business where there is no legal
> recourse. When you can't sue somebody, violence is your only option.
For the record, it's best to ignore BajaRat, a certified
net.kook.... in fact, ignoring anything crossposted in
alt.california is a good idea, too. (I thought I had killfiled
that, too, dang.)
Darrell
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who was out walking her dog when she was shot by vatos], which was
followed 10 minutes later by another random drive-by that critically
wounded a bicyclist less than a mile from state buildings. And the
community is tensely awaiting retaliation for a shooting that claimed
the lives of Juan Pablo Torres-Perez and Fidencio Garcia Ceja, two
teenagers with gang affiliations who were gunned down Oct. 11 in a
northeast neighborhood. Three teens, all with suspected gang ties,
have been arrested in that case.
For the rest, see:
http://www.wenet.net/~volusian/invasion/981026.html#salem981027
That's not the Oregon I grew up in. It's time for a round-up and an
electric fence on the border.
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"More than 7 million Mexican natives -- the equivalent
of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
illegally, according to a study by the Urban Institute
in Washington, D.C."
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Larry Caldwell
=Baj...@ix.Nospamnetcom.com=- says...
> For the rest, see:
> http://www.wenet.net/~volusian/invasion/981026.html#salem981027
> That's not the Oregon I grew up in. It's time for a round-up and an
> electric fence on the border.
Gang violence is one of the prices you pay for prohibition. Another is
the increase in theft and property crimes. The gangs are just settling a
few business relationships in a business where there is no legal
recourse. When you can't sue somebody, violence is your only option.
Personally, I think it's poetic justice. Salem has been a law 'n order
community for decades. They're getting just what they voted for.
-- Larry
Tom
wrote:
>Gang violence is one of the prices you pay for prohibition. Another is
>the increase in theft and property crimes. The gangs are just settling a
>few business relationships in a business where there is no legal
>recourse. When you can't sue somebody, violence is your only option.
>
>Personally, I think it's poetic justice. Salem has been a law 'n order
>community for decades. They're getting just what they voted for.
>
>-- Larry
Gimme a break.
-Tom
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wrote:
>In article <363789f5...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, -
>=Baj...@ix.Nospamnetcom.com=- says...
>
>> For the rest, see:
>> http://www.wenet.net/~volusian/invasion/981026.html#salem981027
>> That's not the Oregon I grew up in. It's time for a round-up and an
>> electric fence on the border.
>
>Gang violence is one of the prices you pay for prohibition.
Prohibition of what?
>Another is
>the increase in theft and property crimes. The gangs are just settling a
>few business relationships in a business where there is no legal
>recourse. When you can't sue somebody, violence is your only option.
You betcha..... and those lousy Mexican assholes deserve some
home-grown correction.
>
>Personally, I think it's poetic justice. Salem has been a law 'n order
>community for decades. They're getting just what they voted for.
>
>-- Larry
They ought to be getting a platoon of INS agents.
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Larry Caldwell
says...
> Gimme a break.
> -Tom
You don't think people are getting exactly what they voted for? All laws
have unintended consequences. Prohibition leads to gang turf wars and
street violence. You can't have one without the other.
Until the government (and the people) take responsibility for regulating
drug sales, sporadic outbreaks of gang violence will continue. The way
to have a peaceful society is to have a society under law. The reason
everybody doesn't have to resort to violence is that we have a court
system to resolve disputes. The current system of laws has created a
$400 billion a year industry and denied it any civil recourse.
-- Larry
Gatt
> >In article <3636ab8a...@news.dicksonstreet.com>, tom...@juno.com
> >says...
> >
> >> Gimme a break.
> >> -Tom
> >
> >You don't think people are getting exactly what they voted for? All laws
> >have unintended consequences. Prohibition leads to gang turf wars and
> >street violence. You can't have one without the other.
>
> What the fuck does "prohibition" have to do with it? First, if the
> assholes don't like the community - they can fuck off and find a more
> tolerant one. Salem was around long before the festering assholes you
> defend were.
Ironically, in light of this, the individual accused of murdering a Salem
taxi driver earlier this month is a white, non-gang-affiliated Oregonian
and longtime Salem resident. He graduated from McNary High School in
1987.
> Hopefully, the folks of Salem will create a new hunting season. I think
Looks like he did.
I'm not defending Oregon's perceived "gang problem." Rather, I'm pointing
out that the biggest violent crime issues in Oregon in the past week
(including the baseball bat verdict) have involved middle-class white
boys.
Chris Gattman | "The sky is humming,
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Cornelis P. Veldhuisen
> First, if the assholes don't like the community - they can fuck off and find a more
> tolerant one....
>
> Second, these assholes aren't "setting up for bussiness". They are acting
> like the animals they are; and marking their territory. But since they
> aren't capable of managing their zippers, they are using blood instead of
> urine.
>
> Hopefully, the folks of Salem will create a new hunting season. I think
> a couple of crew cars left in smoking ruins and their problems will go
> elsewhere.
What we folks in NE Salem don't need is more of this crap. We (hispanic
and non-hispanic) are doing what we can to stop this, but you, sir, have
nothing to add to the discussion. Go sell your intolerance elsewhere.
Your approach solves nothing and will never solve anything.
Your solutions were the ones used in Rosebud, Florida and Tulsa, OK in
the '20's against a different group of folks, but the message is the
same. They solved nothing but resulted in horrendous crimes committed.
Just stay the hell out.
-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
>On 29 Oct 1998, Bill wrote:
>
>> >In article <3636ab8a...@news.dicksonstreet.com>, tom...@juno.com
>> >says...
>> >
>> >> Gimme a break.
>> >> -Tom
>> >
>> >You don't think people are getting exactly what they voted for? All laws
>> >have unintended consequences. Prohibition leads to gang turf wars and
>> >street violence. You can't have one without the other.
>>
>> What the fuck does "prohibition" have to do with it? First, if the
>> assholes don't like the community - they can fuck off and find a more
>> tolerant one. Salem was around long before the festering assholes you
>> defend were.
>
>Ironically, in light of this, the individual accused of murdering a Salem
>taxi driver earlier this month is a white, non-gang-affiliated Oregonian
>and longtime Salem resident. He graduated from McNary High School in
>1987.
Does this mean that we should allow the importation of more criminals?
>
>> Hopefully, the folks of Salem will create a new hunting season. I think
>
>Looks like he did.
Wait until the 'Latino's' do.
>
>I'm not defending Oregon's perceived "gang problem." Rather, I'm pointing
>out that the biggest violent crime issues in Oregon in the past week
>(including the baseball bat verdict) have involved middle-class white
>boys.
Hang onto your sombrero and wait until Salem gets overrun by lousy
Mexican gang vermin like Los Angeles has. And you will. The border is
like a sieve. You have no idea..................it's a nightmare.
Check the "Latest Nightmares" web site below...and pay particular
attention to the Santa Monica incident item on the 10/28 page. That is
just one in a string of murders involving Mexican gang tripe.
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Greg Rose
: Someone said:
: >
: >You don't think people are getting exactly what they voted for? All laws
: >have unintended consequences. Prohibition leads to gang turf wars and
: >street violence. You can't have one without the other.
: What the fuck does "prohibition" have to do with it?
You're right. Absolutely nothing. There is no such thing as cause
and effect and our actions don't have anything to do with reality.
: First, if the
: assholes don't like the community - they can fuck off and find a more
: tolerant one. Salem was around long before the festering assholes you
: defend were.
Well, I suggest you just tell 'em that.
: Second, these assholes aren't "setting up for bussiness". They are acting
: like the animals they are; and marking their territory.
You mean like Joseph Coors and The Anheuser-Busch family? Oh wait, the
drugs they sell are regulated and legal, so no one has to mark their
territory with bloody gang feuds. In fact, you can find Coors right
next to Budweiser at your local store. Alcohol is just as nasty
as any other drug, so why aren't the Coors and Busch gangs battling
it out on the streets of Salem? Well, I guess they did back during
alcohol prohibition. Are you picking up a theme here?
Maybe Larry has a point about regulation.
: But since they
: aren't capable of managing their zippers, they are using blood instead of
: urine.
And since you, our policy makers and the voters can't figure out a little
simple cause and effect your life is unlikely to get better anytime
soon. It's a sad thing, but over and over I find people just too
stupid to improve their own lot.
: Hopefully, the folks of Salem will create a new hunting season. I think
: a couple of crew cars left in smoking ruins and their problems will go
: elsewhere.
Yet another great Usenet Idea.
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Larry Caldwell
writes:
> And since you, our policy makers and the voters can't figure out a little
> simple cause and effect your life is unlikely to get better anytime
> soon. It's a sad thing, but over and over I find people just too
> stupid to improve their own lot.
Yup. They're getting exactly what they asked for. The easiest way to
get tough on crime is to create more criminals. The underground economy
in Oregon is bigger than high tech, at least in terms of cash flow.
Stick Intel and Tektronix and Sequent and Mentor Graphics and all the
rest into one room and things get rowdy even with legal recourse. When
the numbers start running over 7 digits, the big boys start playing
hardball.
Drug traffic in Salem is easily worth over $10,000,000 a year. It's no
great wonder the kids are plinking at each other over territories.
Nationwide, the underground economy is estimated at over $800,000,000,000
a year. That's impressive.
-- Larry
Jafo
Cornelis P. Veldhuisen wrote:
>Bill wrote, unimpaired by logic or reason:
>
>> First, if the assholes don't like the community - they can fuck off and
>> find a more tolerant one....
>>
>> Second, these assholes aren't "setting up for bussiness". They are acting
>> like the animals they are; and marking their territory. But since they
>> aren't capable of managing their zippers, they are using blood instead of
>> urine.
>>
>> Hopefully, the folks of Salem will create a new hunting season. I think
>> a couple of crew cars left in smoking ruins and their problems will go
>> elsewhere.
>What we folks in NE Salem don't need is more of this crap. We (hispanic
>and non-hispanic) are doing what we can to stop this, but you, sir, have
>nothing to add to the discussion. Go sell your intolerance elsewhere.
"Intolerance" to gangs? Would that we had more of it. Your
"tolerant" attitude will get you more gangs and more violence. If you
want to rid yourselves of gangs, you need a good deal more of "this
crap", but your liberal mind doesn't want to admit it. A society of
liberals is a society of sheep, and you're welcoming the wolves.
>Your approach solves nothing and will never solve anything.
Indeed? Violence never settles anything? Tell it to the city fathers
of Carthage. It will take specifically applied violence to rid us of
gangs. When the known punishment for being a violent gang member is
swift and certain death, your problems will abate.
>Your solutions were the ones used in Rosebud, Florida and Tulsa, OK in
>the '20's against a different group of folks, but the message is the
>same. They solved nothing but resulted in horrendous crimes committed.
Bullshit. These are not "a different group of folks"; these are
people who commit acts of pure violence in which they kill not only
each other but any random bystanders who happen to be standing around
in the fire zone.
>Just stay the hell out.
Enjoy the new Salem.
Tell your kids to keep their heads down. And for Christmas
suggestions this year... think "Kevlar".
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Gatt
> Wait until the 'Latino's' do.
>
>
> Mexican gang vermin like Los Angeles has. And you will. The border is
> like a sieve. You have no idea..................it's a nightmare.
> Check the "Latest Nightmares" web site below...and pay particular
Do you even LIVE in the Salem area? What exactly is a "Mexican National?"
What do they mean by "8% of Hostile Mexico's Population is Already in the
US" and "Mexico: We are going to overrun you...so surrender"?
As far as I'm concerned, this is a thinly-veiled Klan site.
Wake up, dude. Out here in Oregon this biggest threat to people is
white teenagers. Mexican gangs may be up there too, but that has nothing
to do with the fact that our own citizens are just as fucked up as they
are.
I have friends and relatives in Immigration and law enforcement who
routinely work with Latinos. They're here because that's where the money
is and because it's still inexpensive enough to live. Sounds like every
other goddamned Californian in the state. California, Mexico...what's the
difference?
> attention to the Santa Monica incident item on the 10/28 page. That is
> just one in a string of murders involving Mexican gang tripe.
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Gatt
>
> "Intolerance" to gangs? Would that we had more of it. Your
> "tolerant" attitude will get you more gangs and more violence. If you
> want to rid yourselves of gangs, you need a good deal more of "this
> crap", but your liberal mind doesn't want to admit it. A society of
Ah...a wildass assumption about somebody's policital leanings always
establishes credibility.
> of Carthage. It will take specifically applied violence to rid us of
> gangs. When the known punishment for being a violent gang member is
> swift and certain death, your problems will abate.
Yeah, but the problem is you people are too stupid to separate the wheat
from the chaff. We all know the Klan only persecuted the CRIMINAL
blacks, right?
What would be better off is if we deported the Californians. You people
brought your yuppie shit AND your gang problems up here.
>
> --
> ~ Jafo http://bounce.to/jafo
>
> A Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.
> A Republic: The flock gets to vote for which wolves vote on dinner.
> A Constitutional Republic: Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden,
> and the sheep are armed.
>
>
>
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>>
>> Wait until the 'Latino's' do.
>>
>>
>> Hang onto your sombrero and wait until Salem gets overrun by lousy
>> Mexican gang vermin like Los Angeles has. And you will. The border is
>> like a sieve. You have no idea..................it's a nightmare.
>> Check the "Latest Nightmares" web site below...and pay particular
>
>
>Do you even LIVE in the Salem area? What exactly is a "Mexican National?"
>What do they mean by "8% of Hostile Mexico's Population is Already in the
>US" and "Mexico: We are going to overrun you...so surrender"?
Read the articles..... they are legitimate. Use your brain (assuming
that you can).
>
>As far as I'm concerned, this is a thinly-veiled Klan site.
How absurd. We are illegally being overrun by Mexican nationals
(citizens of Mexico) who have the highest contempt for Americans and
the United States.
>
>Wake up, dude. Out here in Oregon this biggest threat to people is
>white teenagers. Mexican gangs may be up there too, but that has nothing
>to do with the fact that our own citizens are just as fucked up as they
>are.
Been to L.A. lately? You haven't seen anything yet. You think that the
crime problem in Oregon is bad now, don't do anything about getting
that southern border sealed and illegal aliens rounded up and kicked
out....then wait for a year or two. You will kick yourself for not
being diligent *now*. It's too late for California, Arizona and Texas.
And Colorado isn't far behind. See:
http://insidedenver.com:80/news/1029ins5.shtml
You cannot keep importing or tolerating these hostile peasants without
winding up with a shitload of trouble.....guaranteed.
>
>I have friends and relatives in Immigration and law enforcement who
>routinely work with Latinos. They're here because that's where the money
>is and because it's still inexpensive enough to live.
They have no right to do it illegally. If these are legals you are
referring to they are probably California refugees who are sick of the
crime (that they originally set loose here). These folks are now
overrunning Utah, Arkansas, Georgia, and North Carolina (to name a
few). Problem is that they wind up dragging along the same shit that
caused California to become a pit. Like a cancer. Just getting rid of
the illegals and keeping them out is a big plus.
>Sounds like every
>other goddamned Californian in the state. California, Mexico...what's the
>difference?
Law enforcement (or lack thereof) is the difference.
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>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Jafo wrote:
>
>>
>> "Intolerance" to gangs? Would that we had more of it. Your
>> "tolerant" attitude will get you more gangs and more violence. If you
>> want to rid yourselves of gangs, you need a good deal more of "this
>> crap", but your liberal mind doesn't want to admit it. A society of
>
>Ah...a wildass assumption about somebody's policital leanings always
>establishes credibility.
>
>> of Carthage. It will take specifically applied violence to rid us of
>> gangs. When the known punishment for being a violent gang member is
>> swift and certain death, your problems will abate.
>
>Yeah, but the problem is you people are too stupid to separate the wheat
>from the chaff. We all know the Klan only persecuted the CRIMINAL
>blacks, right?
>
>What would be better off is if we deported the Californians. You people
>brought your yuppie shit AND your gang problems up here.
Being from Oregon I am amazed at the stupidity of some of the liberals
who are living there now. Why the hell do you think Californians are
fleeing California? Better wake up, o' liberal one. The flood is
heading your way...... and it carries a spray can and doesn't speak
English.
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But not for long as the mexi-invasion heads north to reconquer Oregon
which I suppose is also on their retarded list of *stolen* territories.
Liberals are once more hypnotized by the mexicanos.
Des
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wrote:
>Comfortably numb and clueless........
>
>But not for long as the mexi-invasion heads north to reconquer Oregon
>which I suppose is also on their retarded list of *stolen* territories.
>Liberals are once more hypnotized by the mexicanos.
>
>
>Des
>
I don't think the Mexicans are claiming any of Oregon, but are heading
that way just the same. Look what those scumbags did to rural Rogers,
Arkansas! Jeez.
http://www.hooked.net/~volusian/invasion/981016_17.html#mexicancer
....or North Carolina.....
http://www.herald-sun.com/hispanic/
(These folks are really in for a surprise).
Enforcement of our border and existing laws would stop a lot of this.
Eliminating all immigration from hostile third-world countries such as
Mexico would also be a plus :-D
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>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Jafo wrote:
>
>>
>> "Intolerance" to gangs? Would that we had more of it. Your
>> "tolerant" attitude will get you more gangs and more violence. If you
>> want to rid yourselves of gangs, you need a good deal more of "this
>> crap", but your liberal mind doesn't want to admit it. A society of
>
>Ah...a wildass assumption about somebody's policital leanings always
>establishes credibility.
>
>> of Carthage. It will take specifically applied violence to rid us of
>> gangs. When the known punishment for being a violent gang member is
>> swift and certain death, your problems will abate.
>
>Yeah, but the problem is you people are too stupid to separate the wheat
>from the chaff. We all know the Klan only persecuted the CRIMINAL
>blacks, right?
"Each year the Border Patrol is making more than a million
apprehensions of persons who flagrantly violate our nation's laws by
unlawfully crossing U.S. borders to work and to receive public
assistance, usually with the aid of fraudulent documents. Such entry
is a misdemeanor, and if repeated becomes punishable as a felony. Over
four million illegal immigrants live in the United States--some
estimate over five million--and, this does not include the nearly
three million aliens amnestied under the Immigration Reform and
Control Act of 1986."
http://www.fairus.org/04113604.htm
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of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
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in Washington, D.C."
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>
> your political correctness shit and get down to business unless you
Baja, where precisely do you live? What region?
What we'd like you to do is either verify that you live in Oregon and have
a vested interest in the problem or simply shut the fuck up. I smell a
Californian trying to shove his agenda down our throat.
Oh, gee whiz...there's a new thing. Which is precisely why it's
widely-carried opinion in Oregon that Californians are worse than any
Mexican here. My family and the farmers around us have used migrant
labor in the past. We've actually DEALT WITH and SPOKEN WITH Mexicans.
I'll say two things about them: 1) They drive like shit, can't read the
signs and often don't carry insurance. They're likely to freak out and
take off rather than sit around and get caught.
2) They're quiet, they don't take up a lot of space, they don't make a
lot of noise or have high demands and they know when to shut the fuck up.
I'd rather spend a few bucks on social aid for a family that is content to
live in a small place than stare across a farm that has been plowed to
build massive yuppie houses for Californian immigrants. Their (Mex)
mannerisms are different and reflect a different culture. They're used to
being treated like shit so they're a little skittish and paranoid, just
like an innocent kid that's treated like a thug all the time.
But if you treat 'em as something other than shit they're, in my
experience, very friendly and polite.
Unlike you.
So acknowledge that you're a citizen of Oregon or shut the hell up. I'd
take ten Mexicans over one of you any day.
-Chris
Gatt
> >What do they mean by "8% of Hostile Mexico's Population is Already in the
> >US" and "Mexico: We are going to overrun you...so surrender"?
>
> Read the articles..... they are legitimate. Use your brain (assuming
> that you can).
>
DO YOU LIVE IN THE SALEM AREA? Do you even know what it looks like?
Are you aware of the other crime problems in that city? Answer the
question.
> Been to L.A. lately? You haven't seen anything yet. You think that the
> crime problem in Oregon is bad now, don't do anything about getting
No, I don't think the crime problem in Oregon is bad except that we seem
to have issues with some our white middle class kids. (robbers,
murderers, rioters, mass murders, vandals, rapists...) But no, I haven't
been to L.A. Why in the name of God would I ever subject myself to such a
festering hellhole. That's like asking me if I've dunked my head in a
campground outhouse lately.
> They have no right to do it illegally. If these are legals you are
> referring to they are probably California refugees who are sick of the
> crime (that they originally set loose here). These folks are now
Deal with your goddamn crime problems, then, so we don't have to. The
illegals are rounded up and flown our bused out. My friends in emigre say
that the deportees are friendly, but usually a bit intimidated. As many
comedians and other people have said, Mexicans do the one thing that
Americans DON'T: Whether they run the gauntlet or work their way through
the immigration process, they're proving that they're willing to WORK just
to get here. Fact is, I admire that spirit.
> >Sounds like every
> >other goddamned Californian in the state. California, Mexico...what's the
> >difference?
>
> Law enforcement (or lack thereof) is the difference.
Explain.
Gatt
> Comfortably numb and clueless........
>
> But not for long as the mexi-invasion heads north to reconquer Oregon
> which I suppose is also on their retarded list of *stolen* territories.
> Liberals are once more hypnotized by the mexicanos.
>
Did somebody say something or was that just a really vile farting sound?
A wonder of the white trash world.
Gatt
> Being from Oregon I am amazed at the stupidity of some of the liberals
> who are living there now. Why the hell do you think Californians are
> fleeing California? Better wake up, o' liberal one. The flood is
> heading your way...... and it carries a spray can and doesn't speak
Ooooh...a spray can. I'm quivering now, by god.
I always giggle when some half-baked loser calls me a liberal like it's
some kind of insult. Ironically, when I go out to Jeep at lunch, mud is
still falling off it, I remind myself that I still have to refasten the
gun rack (SKS 7.62mm semiauto, Mannlicher Shoenar 30-06) and I wonder if
anybody's officially complained about the Confederate flag on the bumper
yet.
Meanwhile, I'm debating over who I'm going to vote for because I'm a
registered Republican.
I had a drill instructor named Puentez in the Marine Corps that
I could have had court martialled, but the man earned my respect despite
his mistake. My conservationist tendencies aside, I'm in all other ways
a complete redneck.
And you're calling me a liberal. Guess it demonstrates how much you know,
how much you're willing to assume, and how little credibility you have.
Californians flee California because they fucked up their own nest or they
simply found land up here that's cheaper. They think they can come up
here in the Land Rovers and play pioneer among the old growth and they
think that they can tell Oregonians just exactly what to do. If we
disagree, well, they know all about it because, after all, they're
Californians and, as such, they're much more in tune with the real world.
How's that for a wildass assumption? Most people up here will tell you
it's the truth.
-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
>> >Do you even LIVE in the Salem area? What exactly is a "Mexican National?"
>> >What do they mean by "8% of Hostile Mexico's Population is Already in the
>> >US" and "Mexico: We are going to overrun you...so surrender"?
>>
>> Read the articles..... they are legitimate. Use your brain (assuming
>> that you can).
>>
>
>DO YOU LIVE IN THE SALEM AREA? Do you even know what it looks like?
>Are you aware of the other crime problems in that city? Answer the
>question.
Nope. Never much liked Salem.
>
>> Been to L.A. lately? You haven't seen anything yet. You think that the
>> crime problem in Oregon is bad now, don't do anything about getting
>
>No, I don't think the crime problem in Oregon is bad except that we seem
>to have issues with some our white middle class kids. (robbers,
>murderers, rioters, mass murders, vandals, rapists...) But no, I haven't
>been to L.A. Why in the name of God would I ever subject myself to such a
>festering hellhole. That's like asking me if I've dunked my head in a
>campground outhouse lately.
No shit. And why do you think that it's become such a cesspool, Chris?
>
>> They have no right to do it illegally. If these are legals you are
>> referring to they are probably California refugees who are sick of the
>> crime (that they originally set loose here). These folks are now
>
>Deal with your goddamn crime problems, then, so we don't have to.
Oh we have tried like hell to get that stinking border sealed and get
rid of the millions of illegals here, believe me. But guess what?
Anti-American outfits such as the ACLU, MALDEF, the NCLR, and LULAC
have fought every move by Californians to thwart illegal immigration.
They continue to do so today. In California there is a Mexican
nationalist old fart named Mario Obledo who is head of the California
Coalition of Hispanic Organizations. The Philanderer in Chief even
gave this scumbag an award not long ago. This SOB has stated more than
once, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't
like it should leave." If you are interested in hearing an audio file
of this asshole claiming that Hispanics (meaning Mexicans) are going
to take over the political system on the Tom Leykis show, here it is:
http://americanpatrol.com/AUDIO/obledomajority.ra
These are the same bozos who are screaming to high heaven about
"English only" in our schools. Speaking of schools, California's used
to be ranked very highly......but since this Mexican invasion started
they are near the bottom nationwide. Why? You tell me. One thing is
for sure: they are colonists and do not assimilate.
>The
>illegals are rounded up and flown our bused out. My friends in emigre say
>that the deportees are friendly, but usually a bit intimidated. As many
>comedians and other people have said, Mexicans do the one thing that
>Americans DON'T: Whether they run the gauntlet or work their way through
>the immigration process, they're proving that they're willing to WORK just
>to get here. Fact is, I admire that spirit.
Then you had better get used to what L.A., Santa Ana, and even San
Jose has become.
>
>> >Sounds like every
>> >other goddamned Californian in the state. California, Mexico...what's the
>> >difference?
>>
>> Law enforcement (or lack thereof) is the difference.
>
>Explain.
Immigration laws are not being enforced. It is at least a deportable
misdemeanor for a Mexican or any other national to be on U.S. soil
without permission. If they are caught twice it is a felony. Now these
border hopping parasites are whining about having to do jail time
after being caught in the U.S. illegally:
"Guillermo Sanchez-Regalado, a 30-year-old Mexican with a sixth-grade
education, was among the nearly 50,000 Mexicans picked up in June
for entering Arizona illegally.
Unlike most, however, Sanchez was not simply sent back. A Phoenix
federal judge on Thursday sentenced him to two years in prison for the
crime of crossing the border."
>The Mexicans are ranting about this like crazy, but........
"Prosecutor Elizabeth Overholt, who handles dozens of the cases each
year, says the defendants get what they deserve.
"They tend to have long and varied criminal histories," she said. Two
of her recent cases included a Culiacan man with convictions for
assault and battery, car theft and robbery; and a 37-year-old with
convictions on drug and sexual indecency charges. Another defendant
had been apprehended 53 times by police or immigration authorities,
Overholt said."
In other words most of them don't give a rats ass about our laws since
they have been brainwashed since birth into thinking that the United
States is the big, bad enemy who "stole their land". This invasion is
nothing less than demographic warfare. It would be a shame to see the
same fate befall Oregon, Washington and Idaho that has befallen
California, Arizona, and Texas. I personally know many immigrants from
South America and Mexico who have been here for a while, and none want
this rampant invasion to continue. Why? They are the ones who stand to
get hurt the most (along with blacks and less-skilled others). But
clueless recent immigrants, particularly Mexicans, think that the
border should be open. Do you realize what a disaster that would be?
-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
>>
>> Being from Oregon I am amazed at the stupidity of some of the liberals
>> who are living there now. Why the hell do you think Californians are
>> fleeing California? Better wake up, o' liberal one. The flood is
>> heading your way...... and it carries a spray can and doesn't speak
>
>
>Ooooh...a spray can. I'm quivering now, by god.
That's if you're lucky. It's usually a .38 or a 9mm.
>
>I always giggle when some half-baked loser calls me a liberal like it's
>some kind of insult. Ironically, when I go out to Jeep at lunch, mud is
>still falling off it, I remind myself that I still have to refasten the
>gun rack (SKS 7.62mm semiauto, Mannlicher Shoenar 30-06) and I wonder if
>anybody's officially complained about the Confederate flag on the bumper
>yet.
Better keep a good stockpile of ammo, bud.
>
>Meanwhile, I'm debating over who I'm going to vote for because I'm a
>registered Republican.
>
>I had a drill instructor named Puentez in the Marine Corps that
>I could have had court martialled, but the man earned my respect despite
>his mistake. My conservationist tendencies aside, I'm in all other ways
>a complete redneck.
There is a difference between legal and illegal immigrants.
>
>And you're calling me a liberal. Guess it demonstrates how much you know,
>how much you're willing to assume, and how little credibility you have.
>
>Californians flee California because they fucked up their own nest or they
>simply found land up here that's cheaper.
I guess that it couldn't have a thing to do with Southern California
being ass-deep in illegal immigrants from Mexico..... and their
vicious, violent gangs, eh?
>They think they can come up
>here in the Land Rovers and play pioneer among the old growth and they
>think that they can tell Oregonians just exactly what to do. If we
>disagree, well, they know all about it because, after all, they're
>Californians and, as such, they're much more in tune with the real world.
I always had a bumper sticker on my truck when I lived up there;
"Don't Californicate Oregon". My relatives and friends in Seaside and
Eugene still proudly display that sticker. Wish I could find one
around here that says, "Don't Mexicanize California".... but
displaying it would make you a sitting duck for the vatos.
>
>How's that for a wildass assumption? Most people up here will tell you
>it's the truth.
>
One way to keep Oregon from being Californicated is to demand that the
feds enforce current immigration laws (including arresting and
removing illegals) and get control of the southern border..... and
stop giving public services to illegals instead of throwing them in a
nearby detention center pending prompt deportation. California
wouldn't be all that bad if it weren't for all of these stinking
illegals.
BTW, of several of us who came down to California in the 80's all have
since left in disgust but two of us..... and the other one moved so
far north that he's closer to Gold Beach than any other town.
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MEXICAN LYING AND CORRUPTION
"...it looks like you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a corrupt
Mexican."Congressional aide - according to M. Delal Baer, L.A., Times,
March 9, 1997
"Corruption in Mexico is a part of their lifestyle. There is corruption
on a scale Americans can't imagine. " -- John O'Gara, former DEA official
- KCRW radio
"There is nothing new about Mexico's tradition of lying, of course.
Since as far as historians could remember, double talk and deceit
had been part of Mexico's culture." - Pulitzer Prize Winning author
Andres Oppenheimer :"Bordering on Chaos."
"The president ought to decertify Mexico. If Clinton does not
decertify, he will be looked on as weak by the Mexicans. The
Mexicans know about it [corruption]. The force of corruption will
continue to walk all over us." -Peter Lupsha, Professor Emeritus of
Political Science and a senior research scholar at the Latin American
Institute, University of New Mexico; KCRW Radio 2/27/98
"A Morelos state legislator admitted Friday that he has doubts about
President Ernesto Zedillo's promise to clean up the crime-ridden
state, Reuters reported." - May 30, 1998.
"Nearly 400 truck drivers blocked roads into the city's main food
distribution center early Friday to protest corruption and extortion
they said proliferates the market in southeastern Mexico City" -- The
News, Mexico City -- Feb. 21, 1998
"The whole system is a legacy of corruption . . . based on the belief
that a single political party will dominate the country," a Mexican
financier, not involved in the corruption scandal, told PBS's Frontline
programme. - Irish Times - July 4, 1998
"After a while, you wonder what . . . you are doing there," one
law-enforcement official said. "There is no one there we can trust
completely. This was supposed to be the group we could trust and
work with." -- Washington Post -- Sept. 13, 1998
"Our refusal to recognize or our reluctance to assert the relative
merits of our culture and way of life, compared with immigrant
cultures, is surprising." - former U.S. Senator Eugene McCarthy- "A
Colony of the World: The United States Today"
VCT
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The lesser of two evils
Gatt
> >a vested interest in the problem or simply shut the fuck up. I smell a
> >Californian trying to shove his agenda down our throat.
>
> Usenet, pinche culero? Chinga tu madre, cabron.
My, that's weird. For hating Mexicans, you sure know the language well.
Call me Doctor Drew, but I'm sensing deeper issues here that this guy's
not confronting. If you're going to insult my ma, at least have the
balls to do it in English.
> Not many Californians want to leave the nice weather to go up there
> and rust, pal. However when it gets too dangerous, well...............
When it gets to dangerous, stay the fuck there. I guess what you're
saying is that we don't have a California problem up here.
> country? Something for you to ponder, eh? Oh...and don't worry. I am
> not heading back to my home state anytime soon....... it's the next
> one to be inundated by mojados I'm afraid.
I'll gladly explain why I'm defending them.
You see, the problem with America is poor white trash. I'm fuckin' sick
of paying taxes for social aid and then getting barraged with rants from
ignorant losers that want to blame their problems on somebody else.
"Yeah, well, I was in line for my welfare check the other day and you know
what? I saw a LOT of Mexicans...you see 'em everywhere...in jail, the
unemployment line..."
Screw you. Get a job. Get out of jail and the goddam handout line and
maybe you won't see 'em. Mexican guy banging your old lady? Good for
her. She's probably figured out that, unlike you, he's eventually going
to go out and get a job instead of collecting food stamps and giving his
spare change to right wing extremist freaks like Tom Metzger.
You poor white trash are the real blight. You're simply incapable of
taking responsibility for your own lives. You want me to pay for tougher
immigration laws to keep out the people that actually work? They do the
stuff that the PWT won't. They pick the crops, they work the fast food
joints, they pump the gas and do all the menial, hard work that white
people are simply too good to do.
The "Well, you know, I wouldn't have to live with my parents if it wasn't
for the damned beaners" argument just doesn't fly. "They stole my job,
too." So, you got fired from Taco Bell. Deliver pizzas...oh, wait, you
gotta have a car for that.
So instead, there's another construct: The "Mexican Nationals" from a
"hostile country" are invading us. No. The fact is, you're just a LOSER.
YOU'RE INCAPABLE OF FUNCTIONING. If I'm gonna spend money on your goddamn
liberal enforcement laws, I'm going to spend it deporting -your- asses to
a freaking atoll so we can justify testing nukes again.
The fact is, the PWT class is so low that they're afraid the rest of us
are going to pull the plug on them, to humiliate them and expose them for
the crap that they are. (I'm not talking about your live-off-the-land
hillbillies here, I'm talking about the kind of guys that always seem to
have the cash to buy drugs or another Nazi flag or something...)
PWT calls everybody else liberal. Republicans hate them. Why? Because
they make republicans look stupid. They give 'em a bad name. You know
how I know? BECAUSE I AM A REPUBLICAN! I have and I know others who
have worked in the state assistance agencies. We've heard the lame
excuses and we've seen the files of the people who come in wanting
handouts. It's probably not even news to you, pal, but the vast majority
of 'em in Oregon are white.
By the end of the day, you work in one of those offices you're so
disgusted with white trash victim mentality that you can't bear going
into work the next day. You just don't want to hear the excuses anymore.
I'm defending them because I utterly despise people who can't make the
effort to work for themselves when they have absolutely no valid excuse at
all. I hate them when they blame it on somebody else. The difference is
that Mexicans who are here may starve, and they may collect handouts, but
eventually they actually try to WORK for a living and here in Oregon they
don't whine when they can't get what they want.
Notice that this went from the Mexican gang problem (how we're all gonna
die from Mexican drug gangs) to a rant against hostile Mexican invaders
coming in by the millions. The true agenda here is obvious, isn't it?
I'll I'm saying is QUIT BITCHING AND GET A REAL JOB!
-Chris
Gatt
> >
> >DO YOU LIVE IN THE SALEM AREA? Do you even know what it looks like?
> >Are you aware of the other crime problems in that city? Answer the
> >question.
>
> Nope. Never much liked Salem.
Ah...so you don't know anything about it, don't even like it, and yet
you're qualified to comment and rant on its gang problem like you're some
sort of savior.
> No shit. And why do you think that it's become such a cesspool, Chris?
Always has been, from the gutter all the way to Hollywood. I think it's
kind of funny, though, if we're going to talk history. We took it from
them, then we claimed they turned it into a cesspool, right? Just like
Texas, Arizona...was a time when we were the invaders.
> gave this scumbag an award not long ago. This SOB has stated more than
> once, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't
> like it should leave." If you are interested in hearing an audio file
I'll definately listen to the audio file. The thing is, one crackpot
leader who gets airtime and does something outrageous doesn't speak for
the intent of an entire nation. Bill Clinton, for example...
> they are near the bottom nationwide. Why? You tell me. One thing is
> for sure: they are colonists and do not assimilate.
Oh. They fit right into American tradition then.
> >>
> >> Law enforcement (or lack thereof) is the difference.
>
> Immigration laws are not being enforced. It is at least a deportable
> misdemeanor for a Mexican or any other national to be on U.S. soil
> without permission. If they are caught twice it is a felony. Now these
Oregon's definately different. We're conservative. We don't allow the
federal government to dictate our policies. Unfortunately, we can't
imprison Californian immigrants on the second offense.
> "They tend to have long and varied criminal histories," she said. Two
> of her recent cases included a Culiacan man with convictions for
> assault and battery, car theft and robbery; and a 37-year-old with
> convictions on drug and sexual indecency charges. Another defendant
Sounds like your average white redneck.
> had been apprehended 53 times by police or immigration authorities,
> Overholt said."
So the guy is persistent about REALLY wanting to live here.
> they have been brainwashed since birth into thinking that the United
> States is the big, bad enemy who "stole their land". This invasion is
Well, yeah. We did. We invaded Mexico, took the territory that we
wanted and killed them for opposing us. If the Mexicans ARE trying to
take it back, at least they're being civil about it.
Gatt
> >gun rack (SKS 7.62mm semiauto, Mannlicher Shoenar 30-06) and I wonder if
> >anybody's officially complained about the Confederate flag on the bumper
> >yet.
>
> Better keep a good stockpile of ammo, bud.
Got one. But I've never been harrassed by a Mexican. I've been attacked
by up to eight white frat boys at a time (Russell...part of my aggression
against the riot thing) in my own home, at a friend's apartment and
walking down the street going home.
-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
>> >What we'd like you to do is either verify that you live in Oregon and have
>> >a vested interest in the problem or simply shut the fuck up. I smell a
>> >Californian trying to shove his agenda down our throat.
>>
>> Shut the fuck up, eh? Say, who the fuck died and made you El Rey del
>> Usenet, pinche culero? Chinga tu madre, cabron.
>
>My, that's weird. For hating Mexicans, you sure know the language well.
This is not really about hating Mexicans, it's about despising the
scourge of illegal immigration and the problems it creates.
>Call me Doctor Drew, but I'm sensing deeper issues here that this guy's
>not confronting. If you're going to insult my ma, at least have the
>balls to do it in English.
Better brush up on the Spanglish..... because it's a sure bet the
squatters heading for Oregon will reject English just as they have in
the southwest.
>
>> Not many Californians want to leave the nice weather to go up there
>> and rust, pal. However when it gets too dangerous, well...............
>
>When it gets to dangerous, stay the fuck there. I guess what you're
>saying is that we don't have a California problem up here.
What I am saying is that you probably wouldn't have a huge California
problem up there if immigration from the south [Mexico and C.A.] were
controlled.
>
>> country? Something for you to ponder, eh? Oh...and don't worry. I am
>> not heading back to my home state anytime soon....... it's the next
>> one to be inundated by mojados I'm afraid.
>
>I'll gladly explain why I'm defending them.
>
>You see, the problem with America is poor white trash. I'm fuckin' sick
>of paying taxes for social aid and then getting barraged with rants from
>ignorant losers that want to blame their problems on somebody else.
66% of the taxpayer-paid births in Los Angeles County hospitals in
1995 were to illegals. Previews of coming attractions, Chris.
>
>"Yeah, well, I was in line for my welfare check the other day and you know
>what? I saw a LOT of Mexicans...you see 'em everywhere...in jail, the
>unemployment line..."
>
>Screw you.
Por que?
>Get a job.
I have one, thanks.
>Get out of jail and the goddam handout line and
>maybe you won't see 'em.
You mean use the old ostrich trick? Does that minimize the problem?
>Mexican guy banging your old lady? Good for
>her. She's probably figured out that, unlike you, he's eventually going
>to go out and get a job instead of collecting food stamps and giving his
>spare change to right wing extremist freaks like Tom Metzger.
Ah hah! It was only a matter of time before you brought this shit up.
>
>You poor white trash are the real blight.
Poor white trash? Say, whose country is this?
>You're simply incapable of
>taking responsibility for your own lives. You want me to pay for tougher
>immigration laws to keep out the people that actually work?
.....and who screw like rabbits, depress wages, consume social
services, et al.
>They do the
>stuff that the PWT won't.
....but who might if the Mexican lawbreaking assholes hadn't driven the
wages into the ground, eh?
>They pick the crops, they work the fast food
>joints, they pump the gas and do all the menial, hard work that white
>people are simply too good to do.
My word. Seems to me that high school and college kids once did these
tasks.
>
>The "Well, you know, I wouldn't have to live with my parents if it wasn't
>for the damned beaners" argument just doesn't fly. "They stole my job,
>too." So, you got fired from Taco Bell. Deliver pizzas...oh, wait, you
>gotta have a car for that.
Quite a telling rant here, Chris.
>
>So instead, there's another construct: The "Mexican Nationals" from a
>"hostile country" are invading us. No. The fact is, you're just a LOSER.
And you dispute the fact that 8% of Mexico is here already....80% of
them illegally? Do you see a problem here, asshole?
>YOU'RE INCAPABLE OF FUNCTIONING. If I'm gonna spend money on your goddamn
>liberal enforcement laws, I'm going to spend it deporting -your- asses to
>a freaking atoll so we can justify testing nukes again.
What?
>
>The fact is, the PWT class is so low that they're afraid the rest of us
>are going to pull the plug on them, to humiliate them and expose them for
>the crap that they are. (I'm not talking about your live-off-the-land
>hillbillies here, I'm talking about the kind of guys that always seem to
>have the cash to buy drugs or another Nazi flag or something...)
Say, do you know some communist asshole up on Vashon by the name of
Henry perchance?
>
>PWT calls everybody else liberal. Republicans hate them. Why? Because
>they make republicans look stupid. They give 'em a bad name. You know
>how I know? BECAUSE I AM A REPUBLICAN! I have and I know others who
>have worked in the state assistance agencies. We've heard the lame
>excuses and we've seen the files of the people who come in wanting
>handouts. It's probably not even news to you, pal, but the vast majority
>of 'em in Oregon are white.
Have you looked up the word "illegal" yet, Chris?
>
>By the end of the day, you work in one of those offices you're so
>disgusted with white trash victim mentality that you can't bear going
>into work the next day. You just don't want to hear the excuses anymore.
I see. So the U.S. hasn't the right to control immigration because you
are tired of some of the citizens here. Uh hah.
>
>I'm defending them because I utterly despise people who can't make the
>effort to work for themselves when they have absolutely no valid excuse at
>all. I hate them when they blame it on somebody else. The difference is
>that Mexicans who are here may starve, and they may collect handouts, but
>eventually they actually try to WORK for a living and here in Oregon they
>don't whine when they can't get what they want.
How do you know? No speeky Spanish?
>
>Notice that this went from the Mexican gang problem (how we're all gonna
>die from Mexican drug gangs) to a rant against hostile Mexican invaders
>coming in by the millions. The true agenda here is obvious, isn't it?
It sure as hell is. We have a right to control immigration. Not doing
so will result in shitholes like L.A.
>
>I'll I'm saying is QUIT BITCHING AND GET A REAL JOB!
>
>-Chris
You really don't know what the hell you're saying, do you, Chris?
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"More than 7 million Mexican natives -- the equivalent
of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
illegally, according to a study by the Urban Institute
in Washington, D.C."
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-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
>> >>
>> >
>> >DO YOU LIVE IN THE SALEM AREA? Do you even know what it looks like?
>> >Are you aware of the other crime problems in that city? Answer the
>> >question.
>>
>> Nope. Never much liked Salem.
>
>Ah...so you don't know anything about it, don't even like it, and yet
>you're qualified to comment and rant on its gang problem like you're some
>sort of savior.
Hardly....but I can damned well tell you what to expect.
>
>> No shit. And why do you think that it's become such a cesspool, Chris?
>
>Always has been, from the gutter all the way to Hollywood. I think it's
>kind of funny, though, if we're going to talk history. We took it from
>them, then we claimed they turned it into a cesspool, right? Just like
>Texas, Arizona...was a time when we were the invaders.
Are you a MEChA member?
>
>> gave this scumbag an award not long ago. This SOB has stated more than
>> once, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't
>> like it should leave." If you are interested in hearing an audio file
>
>I'll definately listen to the audio file. The thing is, one crackpot
>leader who gets airtime and does something outrageous doesn't speak for
>the intent of an entire nation. Bill Clinton, for example...
Bill Clinton. Ah.....the big sham of "Citizenship U.S.A." Remember
that one?
>
>> they are near the bottom nationwide. Why? You tell me. One thing is
>> for sure: they are colonists and do not assimilate.
>
>Oh. They fit right into American tradition then.
Huh?
>
>> >>
>> >> Law enforcement (or lack thereof) is the difference.
>>
>> Immigration laws are not being enforced. It is at least a deportable
>> misdemeanor for a Mexican or any other national to be on U.S. soil
>> without permission. If they are caught twice it is a felony. Now these
>
>Oregon's definately different. We're conservative. We don't allow the
>federal government to dictate our policies. Unfortunately, we can't
>imprison Californian immigrants on the second offense.
Can't deal with reality, eh Chris?
>
>> "They tend to have long and varied criminal histories," she said. Two
>> of her recent cases included a Culiacan man with convictions for
>> assault and battery, car theft and robbery; and a 37-year-old with
>> convictions on drug and sexual indecency charges. Another defendant
>
>Sounds like your average white redneck.
Sounds like the average Lane County Mexican.
>
>> had been apprehended 53 times by police or immigration authorities,
>> Overholt said."
>
>So the guy is persistent about REALLY wanting to live here.
We choose....not the immigrant.
>
>> they have been brainwashed since birth into thinking that the United
>> States is the big, bad enemy who "stole their land". This invasion is
>
>Well, yeah. We did. We invaded Mexico, took the territory that we
>wanted and killed them for opposing us. If the Mexicans ARE trying to
>take it back, at least they're being civil about it.
Look at Los Angeles. If you call that 'civil' you are sicker than I
thought.
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>> >still falling off it, I remind myself that I still have to refasten the
>> >gun rack (SKS 7.62mm semiauto, Mannlicher Shoenar 30-06) and I wonder if
>> >anybody's officially complained about the Confederate flag on the bumper
>> >yet.
>>
>> Better keep a good stockpile of ammo, bud.
>
>Got one. But I've never been harrassed by a Mexican.
Not yet anyway.
>I've been attacked
>by up to eight white frat boys at a time (Russell...part of my aggression
>against the riot thing) in my own home, at a friend's apartment and
>walking down the street going home.
>
Well, just keep electing vermin like Clinton who import their own
criminal voters from hostile ditches (like Mexico). Salem will look
like Chilpancingo, Gro. in 10 years.
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"More than 7 million Mexican natives -- the equivalent
of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
illegally, according to a study by the Urban Institute
in Washington, D.C."
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><<Mexicans do the one thing that Americans DON'T: Whether they run the
>gauntlet or work their way through the immigration process, they're proving
>that they're willing to WORK just to get here. Fact is, I admire that
>spirit.>>
>
>Why can't they create jobs in their own country???
Quite simply because it's easier for them to infest our country
unlawfully rather than to try to fix their own wretched,
corruption-bloated homeland.
>Yeah they want to work, But every cent is sent out of the USA. It is not
>invested back into the country, despite what liberals may tell you.
Between $4 and 6 billion is sent to Mexico by Mexicans working in the
U.S. nationally. These "remittances" are one of the greatest sources
of income for Mexico.
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>You people have got it all wrong. The easiest way to keep Hispanics out of an
>area is to pass an English only law. Those motherfuckers will NEVER accept
>English as our language, NEVER. Do that, and I guarantee they will leave.
That depends. In California, Prop. 227 won which mandated English-only
education and was fought all the way by Mexican nationalist outfits
like MALDEF and LULAC. The proposition had a "trojan horse" clause in
it. Now, despite what California voters mandated, bilingual education
is still being widely used (of course Los Angeles has a vehement
Mexican nationalist school superintendent... Ruben Zacarias, a Mexican
government puppet):
"After a one-month stint in English-intensive classes required by a
new state law, tens of thousands of California students with limited
English skills are heading back into bilingual education this fall at
the request of their parents. Close to 12,000 of those students are in
the Los Angeles Unified School District, data provided to The Times on
Wednesday show. Though sizable, that number pales next to the about
107,000 Los Angeles students who were in formal bilingual classes
before voters last June approved Proposition 227. Many of the students
who are enrolled in English "immersion" classes actually get
substantial help in their native languages."
See:
http://americanpatrol.com/ENGLISHLANGUAGE/prop227waiversunz102198.html
Even legal immigrants should be required to get private instruction
for their kids if they don't speak English. This should not be shoved
off onto the backs of taxpayers. No way. Immigrants have *some*
responsibility when the relocate here. The taxpayers didn't beg their
butts to come.
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"U.S. immigration policy with respect to Mexico has been
spectacularly unsuccessful," wrote Douglas Massey, an immigration
expert at the University of Pennsylvania in a seminalarticle published
in the American Prospect earlier this year. "It is hard to imagine a
more inept, self-contradictory and self-destructive policy."
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>But watch out. Although the Mexicans may be laying low in Oregon for now, they
>won't be as soon as they make 10% of the population. At that point, they will
>demand that Spanish be made an official language and they will pressure schools
>into teaching that the white man has succeeeded in this world because of "rich
>land" and that the white man is a no good evil motherfucker. Then they will
>cancel all USA holidays and celebrate Mexican holidays with all of your tax
>money. Believe me.
Oregonians have luckily been isolated from the problems related to
this demographic warfare. It's time they woke up. My friends and
relatives in Oregon are up in arms over what is happening with the
lack of immigration law and border enforcement. BTW, the U of O has
one of the largest vile, anti-American MEChA groups in the northwest.
-=BajaRat=-
"We are in a truly Orwellian period in this country. Overpopulation is
good, a sustainable population is bad. Covering the best farmland in
the country with suburbs and condos is good, preserving agricultural
land for the future is bad. "Diversity" is good, national cohesion and
a sense of shared destiny, even a common language, are bad. People
who sneak into the country illegally are good, people who object are
racists. I can't see how all this can end well."
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Gatt <ga...@europa.com> wrote:
> I have friends and relatives in Immigration and law enforcement who
> routinely work with Latinos. They're here because that's where the money
> is and because it's still inexpensive enough to live. Sounds like every
> other goddamned Californian in the state. California, Mexico...what's the
> difference?
> Chris Gattman
In otherwords, we should just shut up and watch our quality of life continue
to deteriorate due to over-population and environmental degredation, right?
Sorry, I've been to Mexico City.
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-=Baj...@ix.Nospamnetcom.com=- wrote:
> I don't think the Mexicans are claiming any of Oregon, but are heading
> that way just the same. Look what those scumbags did to rural Rogers,
> Arkansas! Jeez.
> http://www.hooked.net/~volusian/invasion/981016_17.html#mexicancer
Actually, what people should look at is the URL. Anyone who uses degraded
terminology, eptithets, and lies like you do cannot be taken seriously as
being either knowledgable or an authority. You are nothing more than a common
racist and USENET kook. Too bad you don't get it. Anyway, the article, which
you appropriated and distorted illegally (that makes you a criminal, Tom
Morphew...DUH!) is about one "Hispanic" individual. Where's your wrath
regarding what crimes people of all other races commit, Morphew? Your
select-o-vision is most unconvincing.
> ....or North Carolina.....
> http://www.herald-sun.com/hispanic/
It seems that you really DON'T read the articles that you provide pointers to,
or that you simply don't understand them. The Durham Herald Sun's article was
very respectful regarding its Latino population...made them look like great
citizens who are making societal contributions while facing problems like
BajaRat-style racism, and worse.
> (These folks are really in for a surprise).
What, that your dire predictions are just so much racist trash? That's no
suprise at all to those of us who've witnessed your impotent campaign for so
long.
> Enforcement of our border and existing laws would stop a lot of this.
Not at all. All of the "Hispanics" mentioned in your two articles are
citizens, which is not to say that the law shouldn't be enforced, but you
are, as usual, really reaching (and as usual, failing) in your attempt to
libel all Latino people. Expect the usual kudos from your admirers Samoa and
Dan.
> Eliminating all immigration from hostile third-world countries such as
> Mexico would also be a plus.
Pobrecito maricon, eliminating your hostile third-rate ass from society would
be a plus. :)
nopa...@yahoo.com
> I always giggle when some half-baked loser calls me a liberal like it's
> some kind of insult.
Same here...it's SO lame! Their other favorite is to call you "PC" when you
disagree with them. You're right to giggle, though. I've found that
thoughtful attempts to rebut the "liberal" foolishness only leads to the
losers repeating the attempt in all-caps: LIBERAL! Oh, gee, how could you be
so cruel? :) BTW Since when is being intelligent and anti-racist the solitary
bastion of liberals? All of the very conservative people I associate and work
with deplore racism for what it is: one of the lowest, most ignorant,
harmful, and odious orders of human expression.
> Ironically, when I go out to Jeep at lunch, mud is
> still falling off it, I remind myself that I still have to refasten the
> gun rack (SKS 7.62mm semiauto, Mannlicher Shoenar 30-06) and I wonder if
> anybody's officially complained about the Confederate flag on the bumper
> yet.
LOL!
> Meanwhile, I'm debating over who I'm going to vote for because I'm a
> registered Republican.
Good for you. It should be about the most appropriate candidate IMO, not blind
party allegiance.
- Dean
nopa...@yahoo.com
> Baja, where precisely do you live? What region?
His real name is Tom Morphew. He CLAIMS to live in San Diego, but the man is a
proven liar, so go figure.
> What we'd like you to do is either verify that you live in Oregon and have
> a vested interest in the problem or simply shut the fuck up. I smell a
> Californian trying to shove his agenda down our throat.
He does not represent the general attitudes of Californians, more
specifically, he doesn't represent the opinions of the majority of citizens
who are concerned about illegal immigration and societal changes. The man is
a true racist and a hatemonger if ever those terms applied to anyone. He is
cross-posting to your great state's newsgroup to try to spread the hate. He
is a member and representitive of VCT, "Voices of Citizens Together," a
really lowbrow hate group, who like Morphew, are extremist racist types, not
legitimate political advocates.
our posts lamenting Californians moving to Oregon and acting like they own the
place were really interesting to me, but sad. Seems you're getting the wrong
Californians.
> Oh, gee whiz...there's a new thing. Which is precisely why it's
> widely-carried opinion in Oregon that Californians are worse than any
> Mexican here.
Most Mexican people are very decent, conservative, faithful, generous people
of extraordinary heart and manners. There are bad people in all
ethnic/national groups, naturally including Mexicans. Morphew chooses to
pretend that the bad examples represent the entire body of people who might
in one way or another be called "Mexican."
(snip)
> I'd rather spend a few bucks on social aid for a family that is content to
> live in a small place than stare across a farm that has been plowed to
> build massive yuppie houses for Californian immigrants. Their (Mex)
> mannerisms are different and reflect a different culture. They're used to
> being treated like shit so they're a little skittish and paranoid, just
> like an innocent kid that's treated like a thug all the time.
You're very astute to observe this in this manner. Given a couple of
generations, their descendents will adapt and assimilate to some extent, like
all immigrant groups do eventually.
> But if you treat 'em as something other than shit they're, in my
> experience, very friendly and polite.
Exactly.
> Unlike you.
Exactly.
> So acknowledge that you're a citizen of Oregon or shut the hell up. I'd
> take ten Mexicans over one of you any day.
He's not an Oregonian. We wish he wasn't Californian, but hell, it's a big,
big state, and for every BajaRat there are 1,000 people who are good and
decent.
Regards,
meo...@hotmail.com
> Speaking of schools, California's used to be ranked very highly......but since
> this Mexican invasion started they are near the bottom nationwide. Why? You >
> tell me.
Yes they did, but now they're ranked in the bottom 10%. It has nothing to do
with Mexicans, though, and has everything to do with the passage of Prop 13,
20 years ago. I had the good fortune to be educated in the California public
school system, before the steep budget cuts had their detrimental effects. So
did all the Estradas, Fernandezes, and the hundreds of other Hispanics I went
to school with.
Laura.
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>Can one of you Hispanic lovers please tell me why Hispanics totally refuse to
>accept English as the language of the USA?
Sure. They have been trained to hate everything the U.S. stands for.
>keep in mind that:
>1) all immigrants to Latin America accept Spanish as their language
Even though it isn't used in most countries they seem to like it. They
are colonists.
>2) all other ethnic groups to the USA accept English as our language
Yes, they do. That is our language.
>3)nobody asked the Hispanics to come here
True..... illegal immigration is a crime, yet we are literally
swimming in wetbacks. Most immigrants from countries other than Mexico
and most of Central America assimilate. Unfortunately Mexicans and
C.A.'s rarely do.....with the exception of Costa Ricans.
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ga...@europa.com writes:
> Deal with your goddamn crime problems, then, so we don't have to. The
> illegals are rounded up and flown our bused out. My friends in emigre say
> that the deportees are friendly, but usually a bit intimidated. As many
> Americans DON'T: Whether they run the gauntlet or work their way through
> the immigration process, they're proving that they're willing to WORK just
> to get here. Fact is, I admire that spirit.
Yep. Mexicans in Oregon are decent, hard working family sorts. God
knows who would plant all our trees and pick all our fruit if it weren't
for Mexicans. You sure don't find many anglos willing to sweat any more.
I think the problem with LA is LA, not Mexicans. Too many California
Improved Okies who don't know that Los Angeles is a Spanish name. If
Spain had had stricter immigration policies 150 years ago, Los Angeles
might still be a decent place to live.
-- Larry
Gatt
> >Ah...so you don't know anything about it, don't even like it, and yet
> >you're qualified to comment and rant on its gang problem like you're some
> >sort of savior.
>
> Hardly....but I can damned well tell you what to expect.
Sure you can.
> >them, then we claimed they turned it into a cesspool, right? Just like
> >Texas, Arizona...was a time when we were the invaders.
>
> Are you a MEChA member?
A what? Are you denying that the US seized the southwest from Mexico?
> >> they are near the bottom nationwide. Why? You tell me. One thing is
> >> for sure: they are colonists and do not assimilate.
> >
> >Oh. They fit right into American tradition then.
>
> Huh?
American colonists did not assimilate. The landed, they invaded, they
conquered, they drove the residents away with war, disease and crime.
Isn't that what you're accusing Mexico of doing?
> >Oregon's definately different. We're conservative. We don't allow the
> >federal government to dictate our policies. Unfortunately, we can't
> >imprison Californian immigrants on the second offense.
>
> Can't deal with reality, eh Chris?
Did you pick that on the Whiz Wheel of Last Ditch Retorts or what?
>
> Sounds like the average Lane County Mexican.
How the fuck would you know? You don't live here.
> We choose....not the immigrant.
I choose for you and everybody else in California to stay the fuck out of
Oregon. I choose to allow the immigrant citizenship and deport you people
instead.
> Look at Los Angeles. If you call that 'civil' you are sicker than I
> thought.
Oregonians are waiting for California to fall into the ocean like
everybody promised so we can extend our beachfront. Civil is illegal
immigration. Uncivil is armies and artillery enforcing eviction of
your homeland. Prove that Santa Anna is comin to kick me out of Oregon
and I'm on your side.
If the Mexicans took over California, they'd probably do a better job of
managing it.
-Chris
Larry Caldwell
> My, that's weird. For hating Mexicans, you sure know the language well.
> Call me Doctor Drew, but I'm sensing deeper issues here that this guy's
> not confronting.
90% of all race prejudice stems from fear that the other guy has a bigger
dick and is going to get all the women. Rat's Ass probably found a hot
blooded Latino stud sticking it to his girl friend.
I find it entertaining that he moved to California, where men are men,
and so are the women.
-- Larry
nopa...@yahoo.com
>Mexican guy banging your old lady?
BajaRat (Tom Morphew) doesn't have an old lady. He's homosexual, which in a
way makes things even weirder (regarding his rabid bigotry,) doesn't it? You
know what else? He's actually run a business in Mexico. Hmmmmm...
Sir, your rebuttals to Morphew have been outstanding, but you are being
reasonable with an unreasonable person. Don't let that stop you, it's just
that Morphew has been an obnoxious 'net kook for years, and you won't receive
the courtesy of equally well-written and well-though-out responses, as you
might be starting to notice.
>The difference is
> that Mexicans who are here may starve, and they may collect handouts, but
> eventually they actually try to WORK for a living and here in Oregon they
> don't whine when they can't get what they want.
You see the same thing in Mexico, not that it's all good. That is, the poor
people do what they can to earn some money, even if it means sending the kids
out into the streets dressed like clowns to do magic tricks in the middle of
traffic...not a great thing, but at least poor Mexicans try to do something
rather than bitching and expecting handouts and blaming others.
> Notice that this went from the Mexican gang problem (how we're all gonna
> die from Mexican drug gangs)
It's actually an American gang problem. The gangs start here, not there.
Mexicans didn't start the gang virus, although some have been seriously
infected. The gang thing is a very, very complex problem, as I'm sure you
know. BajaRat typically uses it to say "see! this is how Mexicans are!" and
the only people who fall for it are a few fellow white trash racists who
congratulate each other every time one of them issues forth their foul gas.
It's sometimes amusing, but mostly a disgusting misuse of USENET and a
nuisance. These guys aren't accomplishing anything whatsoever except to make
themselves look like people you're glad you don't know in person.
Anyway, keep up the good fight if you're so inclined. If you do, you can
expect BajaRat to eventually killfile you...sheer cowardice.
- Dean
Gatt
> libel all Latino people. Expect the usual kudos from your admirers Samoa and
> Dan.
>
Oh, man, this guy is already known trash? Dadgummit, I shoulda KNOWN! He
blew into the Oregon newsgroups and I hadn't seen him before. Gotta
admit, I was basically baiting him to make himself look stupid for the
sheer sport of it. You can educate the uneducated, but you cain't learn
nothing to the ign'ant.
I'll have to go back to debating with Larry over logging (now that's a
challenge) and Russell over white kids with baseball bats. (Another
formidable debater.)
BTW, you 64'ers...seven ex-law profs giving impartial review of the ballot
measures said 64 looked totally unconstitutional. Read that in an
"unbiased" voters guide last night.
Gatt
> >> Usenet, pinche culero? Chinga tu madre, cabron.
> >
> >My, that's weird. For hating Mexicans, you sure know the language well.
>
> This is not really about hating Mexicans, it's about despising the
> scourge of illegal immigration and the problems it creates.
No, actually, the above is about you insulting my mother. Mexicans don't
do that, but you do. In Mexican, even.
> What I am saying is that you probably wouldn't have a huge California
> problem up there if immigration from the south [Mexico and C.A.] were
> controlled.
You weren't paying attention when you lived in Oregon.
> >Get out of jail and the goddam handout line and
> >maybe you won't see 'em.
>
> You mean use the old ostrich trick? Does that minimize the problem?
El dodgorama!
> >Mexican guy banging your old lady? Good for
> >her. She's probably figured out that, unlike you, he's eventually going
> >to go out and get a job instead of collecting food stamps and giving his
> >spare change to right wing extremist freaks like Tom Metzger.
>
> Ah hah! It was only a matter of time before you brought this shit up.
Another answer on the Whiz Wheel...
"This shit" is entirely true, is it not? Most people up here haven't
thought of that name for awhile. I take it you get "that shit" a lot? If
so, it ought to tell you something.
> Poor white trash? Say, whose country is this?
Mine. Unlike them, I work for it, volunteered to serve for it, and I pay
taxes for it.
> >They pick the crops, they work the fast food
> >joints, they pump the gas and do all the menial, hard work that white
> >people are simply too good to do.
>
> My word. Seems to me that high school and college kids once did these
> tasks.
Now they're too fucking lazy. Every McDonalds in the city is hiring.
> Quite a telling rant here, Chris.
Spin the wheel again. That one was lame.
> And you dispute the fact that 8% of Mexico is here already....80% of
> them illegally? Do you see a problem here, asshole?
Yeah, you and your white trash puke ilk. I say flush out the trash and
start over with people who actually want to EARN their citizenship.
> >liberal enforcement laws, I'm going to spend it deporting -your- asses to
> >a freaking atoll so we can justify testing nukes again.
>
> What?
Look it up.
> Say, do you know some communist asshole up on Vashon by the name of
> Henry perchance?
No, do you? Spin again.
> >eventually they actually try to WORK for a living and here in Oregon they
> >don't whine when they can't get what they want.
>
> How do you know? No speeky Spanish?
No, I've employed them, dumbass. Try getting a white guy to work your
land without ripping you off or suing you.
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ga...@europa.com | and my motor thunders...." -Floater
Gatt
>
> >Yeah they want to work, But every cent is sent out of the USA. It is not
> >invested back into the country, despite what liberals may tell you.
>
> Between $4 and 6 billion is sent to Mexico by Mexicans working in the
> U.S. nationally. These "remittances" are one of the greatest sources
> of income for Mexico.
And this harms you because....?
Gatt
> >cancel all USA holidays and celebrate Mexican holidays with all of your tax
> >money. Believe me.
Yeah...they'll teach that. "Okay, class. The white man is a no good evil
motherfucker. And the 4th of July is cancelled." Oh..we believe you.
> lack of immigration law and border enforcement. BTW, the U of O has
> one of the largest vile, anti-American MEChA groups in the northwest.
Wow. And Eugene is such a peaceful city. If that's "vile" then we have
nothing to worry about.
Gatt
> >Can one of you Hispanic lovers please tell me why Hispanics totally refuse to
> >accept English as the language of the USA?
Can you please demonstrate how all of the Hispanics have done this?
Because I can probably get a hundred english-speaking
Mexicans to sound off on the newsgroup your personal mailbox to contradict
you.
> >1) all immigrants to Latin America accept Spanish as their language
1) All white trash nationalists are inbred, uneducated welfare recipients.
> >2) all other ethnic groups to the USA accept English as our language
Accept the Vietnamese, the Chinese, the Russians (Woodburn, north of
Salem) the Koreans, the Iranians. And the whole Ebonics thing...
Adam Price
>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:13:53 -0800, Gatt <ga...@europa.com> wrote:
>>
>>What would be better off is if we deported the Californians. You people
>>brought your yuppie shit AND your gang problems up here.
>Being from Oregon I am amazed at the stupidity of some of the liberals
>who are living there now. Why the hell do you think Californians are
>fleeing California? Better wake up, o' liberal one. The flood is
>heading your way...... and it carries a spray can and doesn't speak
Hmm. I don't know if it is quite right to say the Californians "bring"
their gang problems up here. According to a friend of my mother's, who
works at Juvenile Justice, and formerly worked for the Los Angeles
Juvelnile Detention Center, kids who are released get a "separation
bonus." They get to choose between a free one way greyhound ticket to
Seattle, Denver or Portland. Nice to have, when you need to go somewhere
the cops don't know your name.
I have also read (in the Oregonian, about two years ago) that small towns
in Mexico are feeling the adverse effects of our immigration policy. When
we send back gang members, they suddenly find themselves to be the big
tough fish in tiny ponds, and stick around to run the town. What does
that mean? We are letting people in, who are then infected with our gang
problem, then sending them back. Gangs don't come from Mexico, they come
from drug wars, and big cities. Mexico has a gang problem, but they got
it from us.
-Adam
Gatt
> > Meanwhile, I'm debating over who I'm going to vote for because I'm a
> > registered Republican.
>
> Good for you. It should be about the most appropriate candidate IMO, not blind
> party allegiance.
Yeah. Fact is, I'm about to renounce my affiliation. I've about had it
with every issue turning into Repubs vs. Demos and conservatives vs.
liberals. When all else fails, blame it on the other guy. Can't wait to
see those decrepit old towers fall. Their usefulness ceased long ago and
now they just get in the way.
-Chris
Gatt
>
> He's not an Oregonian. We wish he wasn't Californian, but hell, it's a big,
Cripes. If he's not a native of Ca, then I apologize to all of you
Californians out there for the insult of association.
> big state, and for every BajaRat there are 1,000 people who are good and
> decent.
In that matter, Oregon's no different. Our racist trash problems are well
documented, too. I'd rather give a struggling immigrant a dollar than
have to spend it punishing a hate crime.
I'm in favor of immigration laws too...just can't stand the cancerous
element of my own people.
Gatt
> > I have friends and relatives in Immigration and law enforcement who
> > routinely work with Latinos. They're here because that's where the money
> > is and because it's still inexpensive enough to live. Sounds like every
> > other goddamned Californian in the state. California, Mexico...what's the
> > difference?
> > Chris Gattman
>
> In otherwords, we should just shut up and watch our quality of life continue
> to deteriorate due to over-population and environmental degredation, right?
In your words, maybe. Not mine. Ask anybody on the Oregon newsgroup when
the last time I shut up about environmental degredation was. ;>
>
> Sorry, I've been to Mexico City.
>
> RShelton
>
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Chris Gattman | "The sky is humming,
RCrumb
you that much in love with yourself idiota?Do you think we give a bleep?
I can see that illegal immigration is at the bottom of your list of
concerns......WHY they
are even good at working your land whatever that means.
Are you another one of them worthless libertarians?
Sound like one.
Des
Gatt wrote in message ...
>>
>> Being from Oregon I am amazed at the stupidity of some of the liberals
>> who are living there now. Why the hell do you think Californians are
>> fleeing California? Better wake up, o' liberal one. The flood is
>> heading your way...... and it carries a spray can and doesn't speak
>
>
>Ooooh...a spray can. I'm quivering now, by god.
>
>I always giggle when some half-baked loser calls me a liberal like it's
>some kind of insult. Ironically, when I go out to Jeep at lunch, mud is
>still falling off it, I remind myself that I still have to refasten the
>gun rack (SKS 7.62mm semiauto, Mannlicher Shoenar 30-06) and I wonder if
>anybody's officially complained about the Confederate flag on the bumper
>yet.
>
>Meanwhile, I'm debating over who I'm going to vote for because I'm a
>registered Republican.
>
>I had a drill instructor named Puentez in the Marine Corps that
>I could have had court martialled, but the man earned my respect despite
>his mistake. My conservationist tendencies aside, I'm in all other ways
>a complete redneck.
>
>And you're calling me a liberal. Guess it demonstrates how much you know,
>how much you're willing to assume, and how little credibility you have.
>
>Californians flee California because they fucked up their own nest or they
>simply found land up here that's cheaper. They think they can come up
>here in the Land Rovers and play pioneer among the old growth and they
>think that they can tell Oregonians just exactly what to do. If we
>disagree, well, they know all about it because, after all, they're
>Californians and, as such, they're much more in tune with the real world.
>
>How's that for a wildass assumption? Most people up here will tell you
>it's the truth.
>
>
RCrumb
Sorry NoPal......It's the truth
Des
nopa...@yahoo.com wrote in message <71at0e$h23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.98102...@thetics.europa.com>,
> Gatt <ga...@europa.com> wrote:
>
>>Mexican guy banging your old lady?
>
>BajaRat (Tom Morphew) doesn't have an old lady. He's homosexual, which in a
>way makes things even weirder (regarding his rabid bigotry,) doesn't it?
You
>know what else? He's actually run a business in Mexico. Hmmmmm...
>
>Sir, your rebuttals to Morphew have been outstanding, but you are being
>reasonable with an unreasonable person. Don't let that stop you, it's just
>that Morphew has been an obnoxious 'net kook for years, and you won't
receive
>the courtesy of equally well-written and well-though-out responses, as you
>might be starting to notice.
>
>>The difference is
>> that Mexicans who are here may starve, and they may collect handouts, but
>> eventually they actually try to WORK for a living and here in Oregon they
>> don't whine when they can't get what they want.
>
>You see the same thing in Mexico, not that it's all good. That is, the poor
>people do what they can to earn some money, even if it means sending the
kids
>out into the streets dressed like clowns to do magic tricks in the middle
of
>traffic...not a great thing, but at least poor Mexicans try to do something
>rather than bitching and expecting handouts and blaming others.
>
>> Notice that this went from the Mexican gang problem (how we're all gonna
>> die from Mexican drug gangs)
>
>It's actually an American gang problem. The gangs start here, not there.
>Mexicans didn't start the gang virus, although some have been seriously
>infected. The gang thing is a very, very complex problem, as I'm sure you
>know. BajaRat typically uses it to say "see! this is how Mexicans are!" and
>the only people who fall for it are a few fellow white trash racists who
>congratulate each other every time one of them issues forth their foul gas.
>It's sometimes amusing, but mostly a disgusting misuse of USENET and a
>nuisance. These guys aren't accomplishing anything whatsoever except to
make
>themselves look like people you're glad you don't know in person.
>
>Anyway, keep up the good fight if you're so inclined. If you do, you can
>expect BajaRat to eventually killfile you...sheer cowardice.
>
>- Dean
>
Gatt
> It's actually an American gang problem. The gangs start here, not there.
I never really considered that. We allow gangs by making drug
profiteering so extremely lucrative. Of course, I figured that, but I
as far as drug gangs being American, that's an interesting argument that I
hadn't thought about much.
-Chris
Gatt
> Liberal fucks like yourself would object quite loudy if I blew a few of of
> the punks away.
No, by all means, go ahead. IF you can prove that they're killing people,
shoot back. That's what I'd do. If it turns out you kill an innocent
Mexican kid by accident, though, I'll cheerfully endorse your execution.
> Of course, happy assholes like yourself find it easy to say shooting
> grandma down for daring to walk a street is due solely to the govt.
You're ignorant and you're a waste of air, you little punk. My
grandmother, (adoptive mother) in fact, was nearly shot in the face in
1994 when a bullet glanced off the windshield of her GMC. It came from a
white surburban neighborhood in east Portland. A fraction of inch further
down the road and the bullet wouldn't have deflected off the glass; it
would have gone through. My grandfather, who was driving, said the last
time he had a bullet come through his window was at 30,000 feet over
Germany in 1943.
> Ever wonder why some communities with lots of gangs have very few problems
> like the ones Salem is having? Ever consider its becuase the punks know
> the locals will blow them away? And are suitably armed to do the deed?
According to you people, Salem has a gang problem. So how can communities
with lots of gangs have no gang problems if Salem is a gang community with
gang problems. Your fucked up logic just short circuited.
Friends don't let friends breed white trash.
-gatt
Gatt
> Here's a jerk who revels in his contradictions[even has a gun rack]......are
Is that a crime?
Gatt
> Another dope who has zero problem with illegal immigration.
> Sorry NoPal......It's the truth
>
Another assumptive white trash ignoramus that things because I think one
thing, I must therefore thing the next thing in his fucked up paranoid
progression of [lack of] thought.
I think the borders ought to be closed. At K-Falls. Any other wildass
assumptions?
Gatt
> >gun rack (SKS 7.62mm semiauto, Mannlicher Shoenar 30-06) and I wonder if
> >anybody's officially complained about the Confederate flag on the bumper
> >yet.
>
> thar firearms and blow a punk away as it rides down your street blasting
> at anything that moves.
Ah, yes. Gunracks, 4x4s and Confederate flags. The perfect mold of a
yuppie liberal.
When I was twelve, some kids peeled out across the lawn of my parents'
lawn one afternoon right as my grandfather (who adopted me) happened to be
cleaning his shotgun (most effective way to kill gophers is a
twelve-guage.) As they sat their spinning in the lawn, with stunning
calmness he chambered a round, pulled the thing to his shoulder and fired
right through the screen of the kitchen window. No idea if or what he
hit, but they left so quick they ran down the mailbox on their dash to get
the fuck out.
Our crime problem never returned.
So my family has proven itself with "one of them thar" firearms, tough
guy. Have you? What you're saying is "put up or shut up," right? Have
you?
In college, about a dozen white frat guys attacked me and four other guys
at OSU who had come across campus and into our building to brawl. By the
time the police arrived, only three of them were still there. One was
missing his front teeth (thank you) and had pissed himself. The others
were yelling from across the street that they'd kicked our ass.
The police report was amusing...something about the perpetrators last seen
fleeing on foot away from the building. I figured I'd get booted out of
the Marine Corps for that but I didn't.
My point: Once again, the only problems I've ever had with anybody has
consistently been the result of arrogant white trash just out looking for
a fight. I put up. Have you?
Gatt
> >> Ah hah! It was only a matter of time before you brought this shit up.
> >
> >Another answer on the Whiz Wheel...
>
No, friend...I'm from the secret extraterrestrial shadow government.
We've been monitoring your treason. One day you will all kneel before us
and you will learn in your schools that humans are worthless shit. Your
holidays will be banned and you will worship Independence Day and you will
submit to the doctrine that ALL ALIENS ARE CREATED EQUAL!
MUUAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAAAA. This argument has gotten old. You're
lowlife white trash crap and, from what I hear, you always have been. Go
back to your Aryan comic books. You sound like Germany in 1936. They
made great targets too, I hear.
> The information comes from the Urban Institute in D.C., Juan..... and
> was published.
Oh. So it MUST BE TRUE, just like all that shit that Metzger published.
> Look this up, asshole....
> http://www.wenet.net/~volusian/misc/Hi_Chris.jpg
Cute. That must be you, what, last year?
> Spin on this, Juan....
> http://www.wenet.net/~volusian/misc/Hi_Chris.jpg
God, you're really getting prolific with your facts, figures and
information. I'm impressed. For white trash (look at the picture of
yourself if you doubt) you're pretty witty.
> >No, I've employed them, dumbass. Try getting a white guy to work your
> >land without ripping you off or suing you.
>
> You are employing illegals? You ought to have your sorry, treasonous
> ass locked up. If you think an illegal alien won't sue you...better
No, I'm not employing legals. My family employed Mexicans. I really
doubt you have any experience doing this. Lay off the crack pipe and get
a job. I'm done wasting bandwidth talking to you, racist. I hear, by
the way, you suck dick. Normally, this wouldn't bother me in the
slightest. In fact, it doesn't, but I think your meathead buddies might
want to know what they have in their midst.
Gatt
> It appears that ol' Chris here is part of the problem...... he employs
> illegals.
No, no...let me say this slower so you can understand. One more time for
all you stupid people.
We employED [EMPLOYED...ED...D...EMPLOY E D] migrant workers. Not illegal
aliens. In fact, we didn't even employ them directly. The harvesters did
when they bought our trees and sold 'em to you people in Cali for $65.
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA We sold 'em for $5 each. HAHAHAHAHAA
The weird thing is, no offense to you Californians, but did you notice how
I hit this dude RIGHT ON THE NAIL by assuming he lived in Southern
California? In the '80s, Metzger was rallying about black gangs. Now
it's the mexicans. Whatever. The black gang problems haven't killed
Portland like you piss-for-brains said it would. The average Oregonian
would rather live in the worst suburb in Portland that any middle-class
neighborhood in San Diego or LA. It ain't because of the gangs, it's
because of the Fruits and Nuts like you.
-gatt
Gatt
> Not addressed to you dude.
> You act as though it was.
> You started off strong but you are losing it.
>
> Gatt wrote in message ...
Let's see...what part of the "Gatt wrote in message..." was not addressed
to me?
Man, did I open up a can of maggots here or what? Sorry, folks.
Gatt
> You are repeating yourself Republican dude..................
> And last time around it was 8 white frat guys.
No. That was a different incident and different location altogether. Do
you see my point?
Gatt
> >A what? Are you denying that the US seized the southwest from Mexico?
>
> Sigh.
Yep. Well, you Californians can't deal with your own problems so don't
come whining to Oregon for support. You're so close to the border? Do
something about it.
> to allow millions of uneducated, unskilled, superstitious, non-English
> speaking, gang-banging, non-assimilating, gringo-hating, public
> service sucking, job-thieving, graffiti-scrawling, wage-compromising
Keep waiting. In fact, hold your breath. I never said that. Never will.
You and I both know that the vast majority of Mexican immigrants are
productive. The vast majority of illegal aliens come into the country
and disappear as fast as they can so that they don't get deported.
>
> Do I have to be there 24 hours a day to have close ties to Lane
> County? What the fuck is your problem, Pancho?
You, you whining little chickenshit prick. The fact is, Mexicans scare
you. I'm not sure why calling me names like Juan and Pancho make you
think you're going to win your argument. They're certainly not going to
annoy me. You're just not worth your weight in shit, man. This
discussion is over.
GO back to hell where you belong. The rest of us aren't buying your
weenie Mexican-fearing propaganda and we're not about to start because you
call me Pancho.
-gatt
Jafo
wrote:
>When it gets to dangerous, stay the fuck there. I guess what you're
>saying is that we don't have a California problem up here.
You do now. Think Salem was an isolated freak incident? Just wait.
<snipped; see thread>
>I'll I'm saying is QUIT BITCHING AND GET A REAL JOB!
You know him personally? How do you know that he doesn't have
"a real job"? How do you know for a fact that he couldn't buy
and resell your silly ass before lunch? You make a lot of
assumptions.
--
~ Jafo http://bounce.to/jafo
Jafo
wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Jafo wrote:
>
>> "Intolerance" to gangs? Would that we had more of it. Your
>> "tolerant" attitude will get you more gangs and more violence. If you
>> want to rid yourselves of gangs, you need a good deal more of "this
>> crap", but your liberal mind doesn't want to admit it. A society of
>Ah...a wildass assumption about somebody's policital leanings always
>establishes credibility.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck,
what should I call it? A bed of roses?
>> of Carthage. It will take specifically applied violence to rid us of
>> gangs. When the known punishment for being a violent gang member is
>> swift and certain death, your problems will abate.
>Yeah, but the problem is you people are too stupid to separate the wheat
>from the chaff. We all know the Klan only persecuted the CRIMINAL
>blacks, right?
We're dealing with today's problems, Chris, not the ills of the past.
And you're developing a problem that you're going to have to deal
with, one way or another.
>What would be better off is if we deported the Californians. You people
>brought your yuppie shit AND your gang problems up here.
Grow up, Chris, you sound like a crybaby. Most people in California
are just like most people in Oregon; decent and hardworking. This
childish Oregonian anti-California crap is pretty damned infantile.
The gang problems migrated up there just as they're migrating to other
places. "We" didn't bring them to you, and "we" wouldn't wish them on
you. But there they are.
Jafo
wrote:
>In that matter, Oregon's no different. Our racist trash problems are well
>documented, too. I'd rather give a struggling immigrant a dollar than
>have to spend it punishing a hate crime.
How 'bout we make sure that we're giving the dollar to one who's here
in accordance with U.S. law, and that he's not a member of a gang? Is
that too much to ask?
Jafo
wrote:
>I have also read (in the Oregonian, about two years ago) that small towns
>in Mexico are feeling the adverse effects of our immigration policy. When
>we send back gang members, they suddenly find themselves to be the big
>tough fish in tiny ponds, and stick around to run the town. What does
>that mean? We are letting people in, who are then infected with our gang
>problem, then sending them back. Gangs don't come from Mexico, they come
>from drug wars, and big cities. Mexico has a gang problem, but they got
>it from us.
We've about reached the point in time, Adam, when it would be best for
all concerned to simply offer a bounty for the corpses of known gang
members.
Jafo
wrote:
>Hmmm.... let's see.... what should we do about that ignorance? We could
>blame individuals for it and continue to have problems, OR we could spend
>money on education, get class sizes down, make classes relevant to the
>jobs that are available, and help people get out of poverty. Hmmm...
>which one would actually solve the problem instead of simply create a
>scapegoat? I think the second. Unfortuantely, that solution would also
>require self-centered, apathetic drunken jerks like you to wake up and
>look at the structural causes of inequality -- and I think you are
>probably ignorant and incapable of doing that.
>(since you can't even manage to spell a short word like "cause").
>
>Katalina
Ah yes, "the structural causes of inequality". Let's just throw more
money at the problem. It won't work any better than it ever has, but
it'll sure as hell make us feel good about ourselves. And, hey,
what's more important than that, right?
--
~ Jafo http://bounce.to/jafo
"Education eventually will conquer poverty and ignorance, but not
while being poor and stupid is seen as a viable option."
- P.J. O'Rourke
hc2...@arthlink.ne
>
> As viewed from alt.california on 30 Oct 1998 00:29:28 GMT, Katalina
> wrote:
>
> >Hmmm.... let's see.... what should we do about that ignorance? We could
> >blame individuals for it and continue to have problems, OR we could spend
> >money on education, get class sizes down, make classes relevant to the
> >jobs that are available, and help people get out of poverty. Hmmm...
> >which one would actually solve the problem instead of simply create a
> >scapegoat? I think the second. Unfortuantely, that solution would also
> >require self-centered, apathetic drunken jerks like you to wake up and
> >look at the structural causes of inequality -- and I think you are
> >probably ignorant and incapable of doing that.
> >(since you can't even manage to spell a short word like "cause").
> >
> >Katalina
>
> Ah yes, "the structural causes of inequality". Let's just throw more
> money at the problem. It won't work any better than it ever has, but
> it'll sure as hell make us feel good about ourselves. And, hey,
> what's more important than that, right?
In your case, Jafo, it's an emergency. You miserable lout.
hc2...@arthlink.ne
Jafo has "about reached" a point in time. In his latest temporeal
reacharound, he and the rest of BajaRat's gang have almost
caught up to where the rest of the World was during the Dark Ages.
If you must reach out and kill someone, Jafo, let it be one of
your own gang. Thank you.
Jafo
Slick <hc2...@arthlink.ne> wrote:
>Jafo wrote:
>> We've about reached the point in time, Adam, when it would be best for
>> all concerned to simply offer a bounty for the corpses of known gang
>> members.
>Jafo has "about reached" a point in time. In his latest temporeal
>reacharound, he and the rest of BajaRat's gang have almost
>caught up to where the rest of the World was during the Dark Ages.
>
>If you must reach out and kill someone, Jafo, let it be one of
>your own gang. Thank you.
No sweat, Slick. We'll send 'em all over to your house for a
barbeque.
Of course, you'll probably end up as the main course...
Wayne
Gatt wrote:
>
> > are, as usual, really reaching (and as usual, failing) in your attempt to
> > libel all Latino people. Expect the usual kudos from your admirers Samoa and
> > Dan.
> >
>
> Oh, man, this guy is already known trash? Dadgummit, I shoulda KNOWN! He
> blew into the Oregon newsgroups and I hadn't seen him before. Gotta
> admit, I was basically baiting him to make himself look stupid for the
> sheer sport of it. You can educate the uneducated, but you cain't learn
> nothing to the ign'ant.
>
baiting Baja, AKA Miss rat, AKA B-Rat is great sport.
He/she/it manages to look stupid without much help.
bu then, what would you expect from someone who has sex with boys and
blows goats, while buddy Des AKA Designated player AKA R Crumb AKA miss
manners kisses the goats ass.
Note that neither of them ever denied these acts.
Note also, that miss manners has recently proved to everyone that he is
full of crap, and lies all the time, so cannot possibly be believed...
<G> ...
Known trash is putting it mildly... <G> ...
Beware love notes, usually in the form of names or sexual innuendo's
may be forthcoming from miss ratfuck...
> I'll have to go back to debating with Larry over logging (now that's a
> challenge) and Russell over white kids with baseball bats. (Another
> formidable debater.)
>
> BTW, you 64'ers...seven ex-law profs giving impartial review of the ballot
> measures said 64 looked totally unconstitutional. Read that in an
> "unbiased" voters guide last night.
--
Wayne AKA Blackie!
http://members.spree.com/blackie/calif.htm
Wayne
"-=B-Rat=-" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:09:53 -0800, Gatt <ga...@europa.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Being from Oregon I am amazed at the stupidity of some of the liberals
> >> who are living there now. Why the hell do you think Californians are
> >> fleeing California? Better wake up, o' liberal one. The flood is
> >> heading your way...... and it carries a spray can and doesn't speak
> >
> >
> >Ooooh...a spray can. I'm quivering now, by god.
>
> That's if you're lucky. It's usually a .38 or a 9mm.
>
> >
> >I always giggle when some half-baked loser calls me a liberal like it's
> >some kind of insult. Ironically, when I go out to Jeep at lunch, mud is
> >still falling off it, I remind myself that I still have to refasten the
> >gun rack (SKS 7.62mm semiauto, Mannlicher Shoenar 30-06) and I wonder if
> >anybody's officially complained about the Confederate flag on the bumper
> >yet.
>
> Better keep a good stockpile of ammo, bud.
>
> >
> >Meanwhile, I'm debating over who I'm going to vote for because I'm a
> >registered Republican.
> >
> >I had a drill instructor named Puentez in the Marine Corps that
> >I could have had court martialled, but the man earned my respect despite
> >his mistake. My conservationist tendencies aside, I'm in all other ways
> >a complete redneck.
>
> There is a difference between legal and illegal immigrants.
>
> >
> >And you're calling me a liberal. Guess it demonstrates how much you know,
> >how much you're willing to assume, and how little credibility you have.
> >
> >Californians flee California because they fucked up their own nest or they
> >simply found land up here that's cheaper.
>
> I guess that it couldn't have a thing to do with Southern California
> being ass-deep in illegal immigrants from Mexico..... and their
> vicious, violent gangs, eh?
>
> >They think they can come up
> >here in the Land Rovers and play pioneer among the old growth and they
> >think that they can tell Oregonians just exactly what to do. If we
> >disagree, well, they know all about it because, after all, they're
> >Californians and, as such, they're much more in tune with the real world.
>
> I always had a bumper sticker on my truck when I lived up there;
> "Don't Californicate Oregon". My relatives and friends in Seaside and
> Eugene still proudly display that sticker. Wish I could find one
> around here that says, "Don't Mexicanize California".... but
> displaying it would make you a sitting duck for the vatos.
>
> >
> >How's that for a wildass assumption? Most people up here will tell you
> >it's the truth.
> >
>
> One way to keep Oregon from being Californicated is to demand that the
> feds enforce current immigration laws (including arresting and
> removing illegals) and get control of the southern border..... and
> stop giving public services to illegals instead of throwing them in a
> nearby detention center pending prompt deportation. California
> wouldn't be all that bad if it weren't for all of these stinking
> illegals.
>
> BTW, of several of us who came down to California in the 80's all have
> since left in disgust but two of us..... and the other one moved so
> far north that he's closer to Gold Beach than any other town.
>
While you stayed because:
A: nobody in Oregon wants you anymore, they all hate your lying rat
ass.
B: You can't find enough boys elsewhere, aside fro Mexico, where it's
now totally unsafe for you, being as the local PD's down there have many
warrants awaiting you.
C: You'd lose out on your shopping cart and squeegee concession if you
moved... <G> ...
Kiss some more ass, miss raton...
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> _/-=BajaRat=- _/
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
>
> B-RATS LYING AND CORRUPTION
>
> "...it looks like you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Des or a B-Rat.
>
> "There is nothing new about B-Rat's tradition of lying, of course.
> Since as far as historians could remember, double talk and deceit
> had been part of B-Rats's culture." - Pulletizer Prick pulling author
> Tom Morphew
>
>
>
> The lesser of two weevils
Wayne
Gatt wrote:
>
> > >nothing to add to the discussion. Go sell your intolerance elsewhere.
> >
> > Intolerance? Just a word of advice....you'd best think about shelving
> > your political correctness shit and get down to business unless you
>
> Baja, where precisely do you live? What region?
>
Miss Rat lives in, alternately, a cellar and a boats bilge. The cellar
is somewhere unknown, but near east LA. The boat is a half sunken hulk
near Long Beach or some such place.
> What we'd like you to do is either verify that you live in Oregon and have
> a vested interest in the problem or simply shut the fuck up. I smell a
> Californian trying to shove his agenda down our throat.
>
Oregon doesn't want his kind.
Actually, California doesn't either.
they're still trying to find a way to ship his ass back to mexico,
where it's rumored there are many warrants awaiting, for various crimes,
including raping is father and several young boys...
> Oh, gee whiz...there's a new thing. Which is precisely why it's
> widely-carried opinion in Oregon that Californians are worse than any
> Mexican here. My family and the farmers around us have used migrant
> labor in the past. We've actually DEALT WITH and SPOKEN WITH Mexicans.
>
It's only Californians like miss rat that are the main problem.
don't blame you for not wanting him/her/it there... <G> ...
> I'll say two things about them: 1) They drive like shit, can't read the
> signs and often don't carry insurance. They're likely to freak out and
> take off rather than sit around and get caught.
>
Add, they tend to speed, worse than NY'ers.
Drive like they're the only persons on the road, and they own the road
rights exclusively... <G> ...
californians, that is, not Mexicans...
> 2) They're quiet, they don't take up a lot of space, they don't make a
> lot of noise or have high demands and they know when to shut the fuck up.
>
And they are much more friendly than miss rat would have everyone
think...
> I'd rather spend a few bucks on social aid for a family that is content to
> live in a small place than stare across a farm that has been plowed to
> build massive yuppie houses for Californian immigrants. Their (Mex)
> mannerisms are different and reflect a different culture. They're used to
> being treated like shit so they're a little skittish and paranoid, just
> like an innocent kid that's treated like a thug all the time.
>
> But if you treat 'em as something other than shit they're, in my
> experience, very friendly and polite.
>
> Unlike you.
>
You noticed that about miss rat?
> So acknowledge that you're a citizen of Oregon or shut the hell up. I'd
> take ten Mexicans over one of you any day.
>
I think she lost her Oregonian citizenship...
> -Chris
Wayne
"-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:44:04 -0800, Gatt <ga...@europa.com> wrote:
>
> >> >nothing to add to the discussion. Go sell your intolerance elsewhere.
> >>
> >> Intolerance? Just a word of advice....you'd best think about shelving
> >> your political correctness shit and get down to business unless you
> >
> >
> >Baja, where precisely do you live? What region?
>
> Formerly from Eugene, Seaside, and Cannon Beach. Hell, even lived in
> Astoria and Newport for a while. Why?
>
He asked where you live now, fuckface...
Sheesh, you can't even answer a simple question with a straight
answer...
> >
> >What we'd like you to do is either verify that you live in Oregon and have
> >a vested interest in the problem or simply shut the fuck up. I smell a
> >Californian trying to shove his agenda down our throat.
>
> Shut the fuck up, eh? Say, who the fuck died and made you El Rey del
> Usenet, pinche culero? Chinga tu madre, cabron.
>
Haven't you had enough goat meat in your mouth yet, miss rat?
> >
> >Oh, gee whiz...there's a new thing. Which is precisely why it's
> >widely-carried opinion in Oregon that Californians are worse than any
> >Mexican here. My family and the farmers around us have used migrant
> >labor in the past. We've actually DEALT WITH and SPOKEN WITH Mexicans.
>
> It's good that you are experienced. You will need that experience
> soon, unfortunately. Do you know what the term "illegal alien" means?
> Do you know how to run real fast? Are you comfortable in a vest?
>
> >
> >I'll say two things about them: 1) They drive like shit, can't read the
> >signs and often don't carry insurance. They're likely to freak out and
> >take off rather than sit around and get caught.
>
> And this is OK with you? Hmmmmm..... you're beginning to sound a lot
> like a complete idiot.
>
As opposed to you, who is a totally incomplete moron...
> >
> >2) They're quiet, they don't take up a lot of space, they don't make a
> >lot of noise or have high demands and they know when to shut the fuck up.
>
> You must have forgotten the unfortunate fact the people of that
> culture tend to screw like rabbits. They tend to take up a lot more
> space than you think.
>
Just because they wanted more than one bedroom for three people, eh?
> >
> >I'd rather spend a few bucks on social aid for a family that is content to
> >live in a small place than stare across a farm that has been plowed to
> >build massive yuppie houses for Californian immigrants.
>
> Not many Californians want to leave the nice weather to go up there
> and rust, pal. However when it gets too dangerous, well...............
>
> >Their (Mex)
> >mannerisms are different and reflect a different culture. They're used to
> >being treated like shit so they're a little skittish and paranoid, just
> >like an innocent kid that's treated like a thug all the time.
>
> Bwahahahaha! You, sir, are in for a biiiig surprise.
>
> >
> >But if you treat 'em as something other than shit they're, in my
> >experience, very friendly and polite.
> >
> >Unlike you.
>
> You need to wake up. Soon, too.
>
> >
> >
> >So acknowledge that you're a citizen of Oregon or shut the hell up. I'd
> >take ten Mexicans over one of you any day.
> >
>
> Well right now I am right in the middle of what is coming your way.
> But I don't plan to stay in this California version of Tijuana much
> longer. Say, Chris, would you kindly explain why you think it's OK to
> allow millions of uneducated, unskilled, superstitious, non-English
> speaking, gang-banging, non-assimilating, gringo-hating, public
> service sucking, job-thieving, graffiti-scrawling, wage-compromising
> peasants from a hostile country and a miserably failed culture (who
> also irresponsibly boink like rabbits) to unlawfully overrun the
> country? Something for you to ponder, eh? Oh...and don't worry. I am
> not heading back to my home state anytime soon....... it's the next
> one to be inundated by mojados I'm afraid.
>
Miss rats personal text file, that she posts 99% of the time.
Nothing original in it for months, or was that years?
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> Notable Quote:
>
>
> "Send lawyers and money - the shit has hit
> the fan." - Miss Raton.
Wayne
Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.98102...@thetics.europa.com>,
> ga...@europa.com writes:
>
> > My, that's weird. For hating Mexicans, you sure know the language well.
> > Call me Doctor Drew, but I'm sensing deeper issues here that this guy's
> > not confronting.
>
> 90% of all race prejudice stems from fear that the other guy has a bigger
> dick and is going to get all the women. Rat's Ass probably found a hot
> blooded Latino stud sticking it to his girl friend.
>
In miss rats world, his/her problem is that the dick isn't in his/her
mouth.
that's where the cabrón (male goat) comes in...
He blows it, while buddy miss manners, AKA Des kisses its ass...
> I find it entertaining that he moved to California, where men are men,
> and so are the women.
>
He moved there to try and replace a woman...
> -- Larry
Wayne
nopa...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.98102...@thetics.europa.com>,
> Gatt <ga...@europa.com> wrote:
>
> >Mexican guy banging your old lady?
>
> BajaRat (Tom Morphew) doesn't have an old lady. He's homosexual, which in a
> way makes things even weirder (regarding his rabid bigotry,) doesn't it? You
> know what else? He's actually run a business in Mexico. Hmmmmm...
>
> Sir, your rebuttals to Morphew have been outstanding, but you are being
> reasonable with an unreasonable person. Don't let that stop you, it's just
> that Morphew has been an obnoxious 'net kook for years, and you won't receive
> the courtesy of equally well-written and well-though-out responses, as you
> might be starting to notice.
>
> >The difference is
> > that Mexicans who are here may starve, and they may collect handouts, but
> > eventually they actually try to WORK for a living and here in Oregon they
> > don't whine when they can't get what they want.
>
> You see the same thing in Mexico, not that it's all good. That is, the poor
> people do what they can to earn some money, even if it means sending the kids
> out into the streets dressed like clowns to do magic tricks in the middle of
> traffic...not a great thing, but at least poor Mexicans try to do something
> rather than bitching and expecting handouts and blaming others.
>
> > Notice that this went from the Mexican gang problem (how we're all gonna
> > die from Mexican drug gangs)
>
> It's actually an American gang problem. The gangs start here, not there.
> Mexicans didn't start the gang virus, although some have been seriously
> infected. The gang thing is a very, very complex problem, as I'm sure you
> know. BajaRat typically uses it to say "see! this is how Mexicans are!" and
> the only people who fall for it are a few fellow white trash racists who
> congratulate each other every time one of them issues forth their foul gas.
> It's sometimes amusing, but mostly a disgusting misuse of USENET and a
> nuisance. These guys aren't accomplishing anything whatsoever except to make
> themselves look like people you're glad you don't know in person.
>
> Anyway, keep up the good fight if you're so inclined. If you do, you can
> expect BajaRat to eventually killfile you...sheer cowardice.
>
> - Dean
>
Much applause for this one Dean... <G> ...
Wayne
nopa...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.98102...@thetics.europa.com>,
> Gatt <ga...@europa.com> wrote:
>
> > Baja, where precisely do you live? What region?
>
> His real name is Tom Morphew. He CLAIMS to live in San Diego, but the man is a
> proven liar, so go figure.
>
I'd have sworn that she claimed to live in some obscure pat of LA.
reread some of the recent posts she made about the shopping cart
parking lot she runs... <G> ...
> > What we'd like you to do is either verify that you live in Oregon and have
> > a vested interest in the problem or simply shut the fuck up. I smell a
> > Californian trying to shove his agenda down our throat.
>
> He does not represent the general attitudes of Californians, more
> specifically, he doesn't represent the opinions of the majority of citizens
> who are concerned about illegal immigration and societal changes. The man is
> a true racist and a hatemonger if ever those terms applied to anyone. He is
> cross-posting to your great state's newsgroup to try to spread the hate. He
> is a member and representitive of VCT, "Voices of Citizens Together," a
> really lowbrow hate group, who like Morphew, are extremist racist types, not
> legitimate political advocates.
>
> our posts lamenting Californians moving to Oregon and acting like they own the
> place were really interesting to me, but sad. Seems you're getting the wrong
> Californians.
>
> > Oh, gee whiz...there's a new thing. Which is precisely why it's
> > widely-carried opinion in Oregon that Californians are worse than any
> > Mexican here.
>
> Most Mexican people are very decent, conservative, faithful, generous people
> of extraordinary heart and manners. There are bad people in all
> ethnic/national groups, naturally including Mexicans. Morphew chooses to
> pretend that the bad examples represent the entire body of people who might
> in one way or another be called "Mexican."
>
> (snip)
>
> > I'd rather spend a few bucks on social aid for a family that is content to
> > live in a small place than stare across a farm that has been plowed to
> > build massive yuppie houses for Californian immigrants. Their (Mex)
> > mannerisms are different and reflect a different culture. They're used to
> > being treated like shit so they're a little skittish and paranoid, just
> > like an innocent kid that's treated like a thug all the time.
>
> You're very astute to observe this in this manner. Given a couple of
> generations, their descendents will adapt and assimilate to some extent, like
> all immigrant groups do eventually.
>
> > But if you treat 'em as something other than shit they're, in my
> > experience, very friendly and polite.
>
> Exactly.
>
> > Unlike you.
>
> Exactly.
>
> > So acknowledge that you're a citizen of Oregon or shut the hell up. I'd
> > take ten Mexicans over one of you any day.
>
> He's not an Oregonian. We wish he wasn't Californian, but hell, it's a big,
> big state, and for every BajaRat there are 1,000 people who are good and
> decent.
>
> Regards,
> Dean
>
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-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
wrote:
>In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.98102...@thetics.europa.com>,
>ga...@europa.com writes:
>
>> Deal with your goddamn crime problems, then, so we don't have to. The
>> illegals are rounded up and flown our bused out. My friends in emigre say
>> that the deportees are friendly, but usually a bit intimidated. As many
>> comedians and other people have said, Mexicans do the one thing that
>> Americans DON'T: Whether they run the gauntlet or work their way through
>> the immigration process, they're proving that they're willing to WORK just
>> to get here. Fact is, I admire that spirit.
>
>Yep. Mexicans in Oregon are decent, hard working family sorts. God
>knows who would plant all our trees and pick all our fruit if it weren't
>for Mexicans. You sure don't find many anglos willing to sweat any more.
....that is if your cheap asses would pay a decent wage. But you may be
doing that anyway while wearing Kevlar around town before long.
>
>I think the problem with LA is LA, not Mexicans. Too many California
>Improved Okies who don't know that Los Angeles is a Spanish name.
It's Spanish allright. Not Mexican. Refer to a Spaniard as a Mexican
sometime. Prepare to run.
>If
>Spain had had stricter immigration policies 150 years ago, Los Angeles
>might still be a decent place to live.
>
>-- Larry
The scourge of Mexico is coming to a neighborhood near you, cherry
grower.
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>The money smuggled out of the USA harms me because had that money been spent in
>the USA, it would have resulted in more tax revenue. If you weren't aware of
>it, taxes are how we pay for our libraries, parks, police, highways, schools
>etc.
Illegals rarely pay taxes.
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of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
illegally, according to a study by the Urban Institute
in Washington, D.C."
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> In article <718h9k$c8$1...@nntp.or.nw.verio.net>,
> Greg Rose <gr...@black.kilchis.com> wrote while drinking:
> The cuase: The gangs are ignorant and incapable of supporting themselves
> without selling drugs.
> The effect: Assholes who want to use the drugs justify the random
> violence of the gangs as "well, we asked for it".
-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
><<Yep. Mexicans in Oregon are decent, hard working family sorts. God knows
>who would plant all our trees and pick all our fruit if it weren't for
>Mexicans. You sure don't find many anglos willing to sweat any more.>>
>
>Waht about the Chinese, Asian Indians and Filipinos. Are you telling me they
>wouldn't do the work
>
Mexico is far from being the poorest country on earth. Mexicans,
however, are just about the most hostile bastards toward the U.S. on
earth. Bring over some Croatians...... leave the Mexicans to wallow in
their own pile of mierda.
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><<I think the problem with LA is LA, not Mexicans. Too many California
>Improved Okies who don't know that Los Angeles is a Spanish name. If Spain
>had had stricter immigration policies 150 years ago, Los Angeles might still
>be a decent place to live.>>
>
>So what? There is a city in Oregon called "Aloha". I guess the Hawaiians
>founded that city? There is a "Moscow" in Idaho. Did the Russians found that
>city?
>Los Angeles is the indigenous land of the Indians, not the Spanish or Mexicans.
>The whites made LA a good place to live; before the Hispanics started sneaking
>in.
Trying to tell this to an admitted employer of wetbacks is like trying
to reason with a bucket of shit.
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of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
illegally, according to a study by the Urban Institute
in Washington, D.C."
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RCrumb
You act as though it was.
You started off strong but you are losing it.
Get into your pick-up truck and drive off to Mexico to be
with your people.Become a wetback in reverse
Des
Gatt wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, RCrumb wrote:
>
>> Another dope who has zero problem with illegal immigration.
>> Sorry NoPal......It's the truth
>>
>
>Another assumptive white trash ignoramus that things because I think one
>thing, I must therefore thing the next thing in his fucked up paranoid
>progression of [lack of] thought.
>
>I think the borders ought to be closed. At K-Falls. Any other wildass
>assumptions?
>
-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
>ga...@europa.com
><<Ask anybody on the Oregon newsgroup when the last time I shut up about
>environmental degredation was.>>
>
>So I guess it doesn't bother you that the Latin Americans have destroyed their
>rain forests and have turned their countries into garbage dumps??? I dare you
>to swim in a Mexican river.
One can always hope he does <heh heh>.
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katalina
> On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:10:03 GMT, lar...@teleport.com (Larry Caldwell)
> wrote:
> The scourge of Mexico is coming to a neighborhood near you, cherry
> grower.
Were you aware of the fact that U.S. immigration law allows Mexican
illegal immigrants to sign a voluntary deportation order? After signing
this order, illegal immigrants are simply shipped back across the border
where they are free to try again to cross. There is no limit to the
number of vdo's one person can sign.
Every time the U.S. congress has tried to do away with the voluntary
deportation order, it has met heavy opposition from the agricultural
lobby. Perhaps that's because they (and we) rely on illegal immigrants to
get our produce harvested and to our supermarkets and tables so cheaply?
Nothing is as simple as you make it out to be -- take time to learn about
your world, and maybe you will learn to be angry with the right targets.
Katalina
RCrumb
And last time around it was 8 white frat guys.
Des
Gatt wrote in message ...
>In college, about a dozen white frat guys attacked me and four other guys
>at OSU who had come across campus and into our building to brawl. By the
>time the police arrived, only three of them were still there. One was
>missing his front teeth (thank you) and had pissed himself. The others
>were yelling from across the street that they'd kicked our ass.
-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
>> >
>> >Ah...so you don't know anything about it, don't even like it, and yet
>> >you're qualified to comment and rant on its gang problem like you're some
>> >sort of savior.
>>
>> Hardly....but I can damned well tell you what to expect.
>
>Sure you can.
You betcha.
>
>> >them, then we claimed they turned it into a cesspool, right? Just like
>> >Texas, Arizona...was a time when we were the invaders.
>>
>> Are you a MEChA member?
>
>A what? Are you denying that the US seized the southwest from Mexico?
Such is war. One side usually wins, the other side usually loses.
Sigh.
>
>> >> they are near the bottom nationwide. Why? You tell me. One thing is
>> >> for sure: they are colonists and do not assimilate.
>> >
>> >Oh. They fit right into American tradition then.
>>
>> Huh?
>
>American colonists did not assimilate. The landed, they invaded, they
>conquered, they drove the residents away with war, disease and crime.
>Isn't that what you're accusing Mexico of doing?
Yup. Good goin' Chris :-D
>
>> >Oregon's definately different. We're conservative. We don't allow the
>> >federal government to dictate our policies. Unfortunately, we can't
>> >imprison Californian immigrants on the second offense.
>>
>> Can't deal with reality, eh Chris?
>
>Did you pick that on the Whiz Wheel of Last Ditch Retorts or what?
I'm anxiously awaiting an answer from you as to why you think it's OK
to allow millions of uneducated, unskilled, superstitious, non-English
speaking, gang-banging, non-assimilating, gringo-hating, public
service sucking, job-thieving, graffiti-scrawling, wage-compromising
peasants from a hostile country and a miserably failed culture (who
also irresponsibly boink like rabbits) to unlawfully overrun the
country. Look what this culture did to Mexico.
>
>>
>> Sounds like the average Lane County Mexican.
>
>How the fuck would you know? You don't live here.
Do I have to be there 24 hours a day to have close ties to Lane
County? What the fuck is your problem, Pancho?
>
>> We choose....not the immigrant.
>
>I choose for you and everybody else in California to stay the fuck out of
>Oregon. I choose to allow the immigrant citizenship and deport you people
>instead.
What a patriotic American we have here. A fuckin' parasite a rung
below the lowly border hopper.
>
>> Look at Los Angeles. If you call that 'civil' you are sicker than I
>> thought.
>
>Oregonians are waiting for California to fall into the ocean like
>everybody promised so we can extend our beachfront. Civil is illegal
>immigration. Uncivil is armies and artillery enforcing eviction of
>your homeland. Prove that Santa Anna is comin to kick me out of Oregon
>and I'm on your side.
Jose, Conchita and their 18 gang-banging offspring will do that
eventually.
>
>If the Mexicans took over California, they'd probably do a better job of
>managing it.
>
>-Chris
Well, considering that the speaker of the assembly is one Antonio
Villaraigosa, a vehement Mexican nationalist and former East L.A.
MEChA leader, and an asshole in favor of granting 'amnesty' to these
millions of Mexican criminals and opening the border, and considering
that many major California cities are led by similar tripe I think you
may be wrong, Chris.
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-=Baja[-|-]Rat=-
>> corruption-bloated homeland.
>>
>> >Yeah they want to work, But every cent is sent out of the USA. It is not
>> >invested back into the country, despite what liberals may tell you.
>>
>> Between $4 and 6 billion is sent to Mexico by Mexicans working in the
>> U.S. nationally. These "remittances" are one of the greatest sources
>> of income for Mexico.
>
>And this harms you because....?
It harms the entire country, pal.
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>> >land" and that the white man is a no good evil motherfucker. Then they will
>> >cancel all USA holidays and celebrate Mexican holidays with all of your tax
>> >money. Believe me.
>
>Yeah...they'll teach that. "Okay, class. The white man is a no good evil
>motherfucker. And the 4th of July is cancelled." Oh..we believe you.
Are you aware that the City of Los Angeles spends a minimum of 10
times what is allocated for July 4th celebrations on celebrating an
obscure holiday recoignized by a hostile nation (Stinko de Mayo)?
>
>> lack of immigration law and border enforcement. BTW, the U of O has
>> one of the largest vile, anti-American MEChA groups in the northwest.
>
>Wow. And Eugene is such a peaceful city. If that's "vile" then we have
>nothing to worry about.
Eugene isn't vile..... but MEChA is.
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of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
illegally, according to a study by the Urban Institute
in Washington, D.C."
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>>
>> >Can one of you Hispanic lovers please tell me why Hispanics totally refuse to
>> >accept English as the language of the USA?
>
>Can you please demonstrate how all of the Hispanics have done this?
>Because I can probably get a hundred english-speaking
>Mexicans to sound off on the newsgroup your personal mailbox to contradict
>you.
You are not inundated with Mexicans..... yet.
>
>> >1) all immigrants to Latin America accept Spanish as their language
>
>1) All white trash nationalists are inbred, uneducated welfare recipients.
>
>> >2) all other ethnic groups to the USA accept English as our language
>
>Accept the Vietnamese, the Chinese, the Russians (Woodburn, north of
>Salem) the Koreans, the Iranians. And the whole Ebonics thing...
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>>
>> It's actually an American gang problem. The gangs start here, not there.
>
>I never really considered that. We allow gangs by making drug
>profiteering so extremely lucrative. Of course, I figured that, but I
>as far as drug gangs being American, that's an interesting argument that I
>hadn't thought about much.
>
>
>
>-Chris
Let's see here. The drugs are produced south of the border. 70% of the
drugs entering the U.S. enter via that shithole known as Mexico.
Mexico is a crime-bloated cesspool. So it's an American gang problem.
Has it been raining a lot up there lately?
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>>
>> Liberal fucks like yourself would object quite loudy if I blew a few of of
>> the punks away.
>
>No, by all means, go ahead. IF you can prove that they're killing people,
>shoot back. That's what I'd do. If it turns out you kill an innocent
>Mexican kid by accident, though, I'll cheerfully endorse your execution.
You ought to move your sorry ass to Tijuana or someplace where they'd
love the living shit out of you <heh heh>.
>
>> Of course, happy assholes like yourself find it easy to say shooting
>> grandma down for daring to walk a street is due solely to the govt.
>
>
>You're ignorant and you're a waste of air, you little punk. My
>grandmother, (adoptive mother) in fact, was nearly shot in the face in
>1994 when a bullet glanced off the windshield of her GMC. It came from a
>white surburban neighborhood in east Portland. A fraction of inch further
>down the road and the bullet wouldn't have deflected off the glass; it
>would have gone through. My grandfather, who was driving, said the last
>time he had a bullet come through his window was at 30,000 feet over
>Germany in 1943.
>
>> Ever wonder why some communities with lots of gangs have very few problems
>> like the ones Salem is having? Ever consider its becuase the punks know
>> the locals will blow them away? And are suitably armed to do the deed?
>
>According to you people, Salem has a gang problem. So how can communities
>with lots of gangs have no gang problems if Salem is a gang community with
>gang problems. Your fucked up logic just short circuited.
>
>Friends don't let friends breed white trash.
>
>-gatt
Friends don't let assholes like Gatt hire illegal aliens.
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"More than 7 million Mexican natives -- the equivalent
of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
illegally, according to a study by the Urban Institute
in Washington, D.C."
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>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, RCrumb wrote:
>
>> Here's a jerk who revels in his contradictions[even has a gun rack]......are
>
>Is that a crime?
Illegal immigration is a crime.....whether you like it or not.
An illegal alien is a person who is in the United States in violation
of U.S. immigration laws (8 U.S.C. 1365). Such an alien may have
entered (1) illegally, without the Immigration and Naturalization
Service (INS) inspection (undocumented) or using fraudulent
documentation; or (2) legally, under a nonimmigrant visa or other
temporary condition, but subsequently violated the visa's terms or
other terms of entry.
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>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, RCrumb wrote:
>
>> Another dope who has zero problem with illegal immigration.
>> Sorry NoPal......It's the truth
>>
>
>Another assumptive white trash ignoramus that things because I think one
>thing, I must therefore thing the next thing in his fucked up paranoid
>progression of [lack of] thought.
>
>I think the borders ought to be closed. At K-Falls. Any other wildass
>assumptions?
In other words this cockroach doesn't want Americans traveling north
of Klamath Falls..... and at the same time appears to want to start
his own little Republica Mexicana. Too much MD 20-20 does that <heh
heh>.
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"We are in a truly Orwellian period in this country. Overpopulation is
good, a sustainable population is bad. Covering the best farmland in
the country with suburbs and condos is good, preserving agricultural
land for the future is bad. "Diversity" is good, national cohesion and
a sense of shared destiny, even a common language, are bad. People
who sneak into the country illegally are good, people who object are
racists. I can't see how all this can end well."
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>Nopalito says:
><<but at least poor Mexicans try to do something rather than bitching and
>expecting handouts and blaming others.>>
>
>What are they doing in Mexico to create jobs, Nopalito??
Why they are fleeing that stinking ditch in droves! This has caused a
major boom in the coyote industry.
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>In alt.culture.oregon -=Baja[-|-]Rat=- <-=Baj...@ix.Nospamnetcom.com=-> wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:10:03 GMT, lar...@teleport.com (Larry Caldwell)
>> wrote:
>><snip>
>> The scourge of Mexico is coming to a neighborhood near you, cherry
>> grower.
>
>Were you aware of the fact that U.S. immigration law allows Mexican
>illegal immigrants to sign a voluntary deportation order? After signing
>this order, illegal immigrants are simply shipped back across the border
>where they are free to try again to cross. There is no limit to the
>number of vdo's one person can sign.
We are aiming to change that.
>
>Every time the U.S. congress has tried to do away with the voluntary
>deportation order, it has met heavy opposition from the agricultural
>lobby.
aka cheap shits.
>Perhaps that's because they (and we) rely on illegal immigrants to
>get our produce harvested and to our supermarkets and tables so cheaply?
Cheap vegetables. See:
http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/veggie.html
>
>Nothing is as simple as you make it out to be -- take time to learn about
>your world, and maybe you will learn to be angry with the right targets.
>
>Katalina
Mexican illegals. Beat ya to it, eh?
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of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
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in Washington, D.C."
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>I guarantee that if any of these wetback loving people would dare move to their
>beloved Mexcio that they would be begging to be back in the USA in less than a
>week.
>I wonder then whose flag they would be waving?
The white flag of surrender, no doubt.