Sexual Abuse in Upstate New York
¿fooguy?
their neck of the woods? Certain towns (Hudson Falls, Fort Edward)
seem to have a rape or molestation every single week.
Today's Post Star:
http://www.poststar.com/news/local/story03.shtml
Former inmate sues Saratoga County for $3M
Man claims sexual abuse by female guard
By JIM TRACY
tr...@poststar.com
BALLSTON SPA -- A man who spent several months as a Saratoga County
Jail inmate is suing the county and a female correction officer at the
jail for $3 million, claiming he was sexually molested and harassed by
female correction officers at the jail during a two-month period last
year.
A Schenectady lawyer filed the lawsuit seeking damages on behalf of
Robert Tucker, whose age and address were not available from court
papers.
Tucker's lawyer, Paul DeLorenzo of the DeLorenzo Law Firm, did not
immediately respond to a phone message Monday afternoon. But he claims
in court papers that during Tucker's stay in the jail from May 31 to
Sept. 1, 2000, female guards made constant sexual advances, used
offensive sexual language and innuendoes and repeatedly touched
Tucker.
The lawsuit also claims that:
* Tucker was forced to expose himself to female correction officers.
* He was told by female correction officers that he could "do easy
time" or that they "could make his time harder" if he didn't cooperate
with their demands for sexual favors.
* Female correction officers told Tucker that if he didn't cooperate
with them, they would tell other inmates that he was a "snitch" -- and
that "snitches get stitches."
* Officers told him that if he said anything, they would claim he was
making sexual advances toward them.
* Officers told him they knew he was talking to investigators about
crimes committed by other inmates, and they threatened to let the
other inmates know.
Tucker's lawsuit claims several female correction officers were
involved and specifically names one officer, Rebecca Wang.
The lawsuit claims Wang used derogatory remarks to describe Tucker's
penis, calling it "big boy," and that she often entered his cell and
fondled him while he was dressing after having taken a shower.
Tucker is seeking $1 million for compensatory damages and $2 million
for punitive and exemplary damages. He is also seeking compensation
for his legal fees, interest, costs and disbursements.
According to the lawsuit, Tucker had previously cooperated in another
matter with the district attorney's office and had provided testimony
in the past. He was well known by the jail's staff and was in fear for
his life, the lawsuit claims.
Tucker claims in the lawsuit he tried to ignore the correction
officers but that the conduct continued.
Efforts to contact Sheriff James Bowen for comment were unsuccessful
Monday.
County Attorney Mark Rider called the lawsuit "very unusual" but said
he would refer all other questions to lawyers who will handle the case
for the county. Those lawyers have not been chosen yet, he said.
Bruno
"żfooguy?" <johns_spa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Has anyone else noticed an unusually high incidence of sexual abuse in
> their neck of the woods? Certain towns (Hudson Falls, Fort Edward)
> seem to have a rape or molestation every single week.
Hasn't Slick Willie been upstate recently?
troll
Slick Willy didn't know that adultery was illegal outside of Arkansas!
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Tom Hand
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Didn't Texas try to prosecute someone for adultary a while back? It was
laughed out of court as I remember.
¿fooguy?
Har har. You couldn't possibly hate Clinton more than I hate Reagan
(or Shrub), but I can still carry on a conversation that I pretend is
intelligent without making it all about one of our [former] fake
presidents.
Now, as for sex crimes, this has been going on for years.
Old men raping young girls. Women raping boys. Women raping girls.
Every combination of improper contact seems to happen in either Fort
Edward or Hudson Falls every single week (sometimes it's just date
rape or prison rape). For the number of people living there the rate
is astounding. I was wondering if anyone else saw a similar trend
anywhere else.
Or, we could fall back to plan B: dick and fart jokes.
¿fooguy?
Stupid blue laws. It's still illegal in New York State to have an
erection in public. Good thing no one would notice if I was breaking
that law.
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Dennis K Boyd
> Every combination of improper contact seems to happen in either Fort
> Edward or Hudson Falls every single week (sometimes it's just date
> rape or prison rape). For the number of people living there the rate
> is astounding. I was wondering if anyone else saw a similar trend
> anywhere else.
>
> Or, we could fall back to plan B: dick and fart jokes.
Not sure about that end of the state, however, I know St. Lawrence County
had the highest rate of child molestation of any county in NY going back
about 7 or 8 years ago. My buddy went to Clarkson, I used to visit him once
in a while. I remember reading that stat in the Potsdam paper.
Speaking of, I remember the newspaper here in Rochester did a week-long
feature on this subject years ago. One article was about the incest rate
along the I-81 corridor north of Syracuse, particularly the areas around
Governeur and Tug Hill Plateau.
They showed some pictures of some gnarly looking inbred people from that
area. Ick. I've been through there, got lost, some areas reminded me of the
movie Deliverance. I expected to hear the 'Dueling Banjos' when I got out of
my car to get gas. I got that 'third eye in the forehead' look from the two
guys who ran the station. Apparently, I didn't look like everyone else in
town.
-Dennis
Winston969
>had the highest rate of child molestation of any county in NY going back
>about 7 or 8 years ago. My buddy went to Clarkson, I used to visit him once
>in a while. I remember reading that stat in the Potsdam paper.
>
>Speaking of, I remember the newspaper here in Rochester did a week-long
>feature on this subject years ago. One article was about the incest rate
>along the I-81 corridor north of Syracuse, particularly the areas around
>Governeur and Tug Hill Plateau.
>
>They showed some pictures of some gnarly looking inbred people from that
>area. Ick. I've been through there, got lost, some areas reminded me of
>the
>movie Deliverance. I expected to hear the 'Dueling Banjos' when I got out
>of
>my car to get gas. I got that 'third eye in the forehead' look from the
>two
>guys who ran the station. Apparently, I didn't look like everyone else in
>town.
I read in the NY Daily News that Washington County does in fact have the
highest rate of sexual offenses in the state. I bet it is just because the DA
in Fort Edward has made it a priority, not because of an actually higher rate.
As to Dennis's comment, I think that the people in New York are generally
higher quality than people in most other states. I drove through Gouverneur
once, I thought it was a nice little town.
Winston Brownlow
troll
go to: http://www.foxnews.com and read about one enacted yesterday in the
State of Maryland on the issue of"
"Smoke Out"
"żfooguy?" <johns_spa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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¿fooguy?
> higher quality than people in most other states. I drove through Gouverneur
> once, I thought it was a nice little town.
>
> Winston Brownlow
Oh, there is no doubt in my mind New Yorkers are some of the highest
quality people in America - too bad it took a couple building in the
city knocked over for people to recognize it.
It seems like every corner of New York has a beautiful town filled
with wonderful people to offer: Aurora and Lake Placid some to mind.
If you want a truly scary place to visit, try the Town of Day.
But I have always been shocked by the incidence of sex crimes in that
part of the state - sounds like it isn't the only one.
Terry Mikesh
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troll
York but then you put up a posting asking about Sexual Abuse in Upstate New
York . . . .can I ask, "how can you be in two places at one time" or are you
getting this information from someone else from within New York State, can
you clarify that please?"
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¿fooguy?
> ...Or maybe it's the PCB's in the Hudson.
I hadn't thought of that! Another excellent reason to dredge.
Thank GE kids.
"Thanks GE"
JoeM
Washington County does in fact have the highest rate of sexual
offenses in the state."
I assume he did not make that up. Are you in essence trying to say
that the rate is really not any different, its just that they get
caught in Washington county?. What other accurate measure of sex
crime rate could be used?
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:48:17 -0500, Phreddy Phlintstone
<phreddy_p...@SPAMFILTERyahoo.com> wrote:
>It's just that the DA's in the area, along with the newspapers and TV
>stations are making a point to publicize it. I've got a friend who
>works in child protective services, he says that the occurrence is
>about the same nationwide. It's just that some areas publicize it,
>while others don't.
>
>Saratoga Springs usually has a number of jewelry heists during the
>August track meet, but for years you would never read about them in
>The Saratogian because they didn't want to scare the rich folks away.
>Some DA's choose to publicize sex crimes, while others want to make
>their community look like Mayberry.
>
>Phreddy
Tom Hand
"JoeM" <N...@Thank.you> wrote in message
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> Yesterday, Dennis K Boyd posted "I read in the NY Daily News that
> Washington County does in fact have the highest rate of sexual
> offenses in the state."
>
> I assume he did not make that up. Are you in essence trying to say
> that the rate is really not any different, its just that they get
> caught in Washington county?. What other accurate measure of sex
> crime rate could be used?
>
I am not familiar with that particular statistic, but crime rates in general
are always reported by the jurisdiction where the crime is committed, not
where the perpetrator is captured, just in the same way that he is always
prosecuted by the same jurisdiction in which the crime was committed, even
when there is a change of venue for the trial. That's not to say that the
newspaper that reported the statistics may not have gotten it wrong.
Tom Hand
"Phreddy Phlintstone" <phreddy_p...@SPAMFILTERyahoo.com> wrote in
message >
> Statisticians ignore all the cases thrown out due to insufficient
> evidence. There are many cases that never make it to court because of
> traumatized victims don't want to testify in court. Ask your local DA,
> child protective service people and some child psychologists about the
> unconvicted offenders and how many they think they actually catch.
>
> Phreddy
That's true, but it seems that it would be true everyplace, so if one area's
rate of conviction is higher than others it should follow that it's actual
crime rate is higher too, unless that area just has more competent law
enforcement and prosecution.
Jim Elbrecht
As Dave has said a gazillion times on this newsgroup-- we need to know
the methodology before we can draw a conclusion from a bunch of
statistics.
But that said-- I suspect the arrest/conviction rate has less to do
with competence & more to do with the mindset of DA's & defenders as
well as the judge/jury.
Sometime in the 60's a local JP's daughter was killed in a drunk
driving accident. From that day forward, the convictions for drunk
driving went up significantly in Duanesburg, though the incidence of
driving while drunk had not changed a whit. [it might have even gone
down among the folks who knew the girl]
Previously, most folks could plea their drunk driving charge down to a
speeding ticket, or even get it thrown out. Afterwards it was either
guilty, 'not guilty' -- and most of the time it was guilty.
Jim
Tom Hand
"Jim Elbrecht" <jelb...@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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What you say is probably true, but I would expect that it's more true for
DWI than for sex crimes, which seem to be a top priority in almost every
jurisdiction. Unfortunately there are still a lot of people who don't look
at drunk driving as a serious crime, but I think most people and virtually
all law enforcement people do recognize the gravity of sex crimes.
Dennis K Boyd
"JoeM" <N...@Thank.you> wrote in message
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> Washington County does in fact have the highest rate of sexual
> offenses in the state."
>
-Dennis
JoeM
Winston969
>
>But I have always been shocked by the incidence of sex crimes in that
>part of the state - sounds like it isn't the only one.
Where is the Town of Day? Why is it so scary? If you want a really scary part
of the state, try most of Bronx County.
Winston Brownlow
Tom Hand
I know that Saratoga County social workers used to (probably still do, but I
have no current info) regularly visit their clients accompanied by sheriff's
deputies in some of the hillbilly enclaves in Day and Corinth. There are a
lot of inbred, ignorant, violent, and lawless people in that area.
¿fooguy?
> Excuse me fooguy . . in the Pay Raise posting you claim you've left New
> York but then you put up a posting asking about Sexual Abuse in Upstate New
> York . . . .can I ask, "how can you be in two places at one time" or are you
> getting this information from someone else from within New York State, can
> you clarify that please?"
I'm from Upstate NY (Saratoga/Glens Falls/Lake George/Saratoga area) -
I don't live there now. I moved to Virginia in 1999 to take a job down
here. I did live there for over 20 years, and I do read the local
paper of my hometown (that piece of shit the Post Star) a couple times
a week. Most of my family still lives there as well (we hail
originally from the Auburn/Oswego/Syracuse area).
As for the post - It's a trend I noticed when I was living there, and
it continues today. I was curious if anyone else noticed it.
Tom Hand
"Phreddy Phlintstone" <phreddy_p...@SPAMFILTERyahoo.com> wrote in
> has been made famous by a documentary called "The Hollow'. Sort of
> like the folks you saw in "Deliverance". There was a lot of inbreeding
> in the past but now I think they use contraception. ;-)
>
> 99.9% of the people in town all had the same surname at one time. Take
> a look at the names on the town website
> <http://www.townofday.com/town.cfm> and you'll see the predominant
> family name. It's improved quite a bit over the last decade or two.
>
> Phreddy
Ah yes, the famous family name. I forgot about that part. The people that
I knew who used to have to go up there for the county called it Allentown.
I don't know if that's a real place name or just their derogatory term for
it.
troll
on this news group, you really wouldn't have much to go on . . .your choice
of information is probably a lot more accurate and probably makes better
sense, your better off where you are . . .this news group reminds me of the
New York State Assembly and New York State Senate . . .get the drift fooguy?
;-)
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>The Town of Day is on the north shore of the Sacandaga Reservoir. It
>has been made famous by a documentary called "The Hollow'. Sort of
>like the folks you saw in "Deliverance".
Can you be more specific on the documentary. When? By whom? A
search for "The Hollow" & "Town of Day" doesn't turn anything up
through google.
>There was a lot of inbreeding
>in the past but now I think they use contraception. ;-)
Great line--- but as it applies to Day, I'll bet it isn't much
different than any part of NY that got settled after the Rev-war.
For the most part, family [or church] groups moved into a new town.
A father, maybe a couple of his brothers, and the 10-20 children of
each. Day became a town in 1819-- just about the time all the land
bounties were being passed out to Rev-War soldiers. So it is a good
bet that the original settlers included a lot of children &
grandchildren of a couple of Rev-War soldiers. The aversion to
marrying 1st cousins is a Victorian *US* phenomenon, the rest of the
world & the US before 1880 or so saw nothing wrong with it.
>
>99.9% of the people in town all had the same surname at one time.
What time was that? I've looked at lots of censuses & I've never
seen any town with more than about 30% of one surname -- even if they
were all siblings & 1st or second cousins.
For Day specifically-- in 1866 Beers counted 9 KATHAN households out
of about 160 homes. There were a couple of 6 & 7 'same surname'
households-- but all in all it looks pretty typical in 1866.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nysarato/beers_day.htm
The only census I have or Day in digital form is 1880. In 1880 there
are less than 300 families. Still 7 Kathan households, but now the
Moshers are predominant at 10 families.
[if the ALLENs were the family that the 'documentary' said all these
folks were descended from, just as a data-point, in both 1866 & 1880
there was a single ALLEN family in Day.]
>a look at the names on the town website
><http://www.townofday.com/town.cfm> and you'll see the predominant
>family name.
Surnames on that page;
[all town officers]
1 Johnson,
6 Allen
2 Avigdor
1 Denn
1 Metzler
2 Krom
1 Daley
1 Marcotte
1 Vaillancourt
1 Jones
1 Rauth
1 Gunther
1 Bell
So 6 of 20 are Allens. I would take that to indicate that the Allen
family is a 'political' family. [the optimist says they are good
citizens, the pessimist says that it is nepotism]
I'd bet a root beer that in the population at large there are less
than 6 of every 20 families named Allen. [just a gut feeling-- I don't
know anyone from Day]
> It's improved quite a bit over the last decade or two.
What figures to you have to imply that it was ever 'bad' -- and
subsequently improved?
Jim
Robert Plante
> has been made famous by a documentary called "The Hollow'. Sort of
> in the past but now I think they use contraception. ;-)
Where is this documentary available?
Winston969
>and let us know what you think.
The Town of Day website made the town look like an idyllic natural wonderland.
The people looked fine in the photos they posted. Are there any trailers there?
Winston Brownlow
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>People live in areas long before they decide that they want to form a
>governmental body to screw things up.
Hardly-- Ever hear of the Mayflower Pact? Written and signed
before those folks set foot on shore to form their community.
I'd wager another root beer that most towns were planned before they
were founded. Day was actually a split off from two existing towns.
>
>The folks in the "Hollow" have never looked kindly upon strangers
>driving up their road in my adult life, I'm 46. I don't think that
>they've been any different before that. As one other poster said, the
>Social Services Dept. requests police escort when going there. I doubt
>that any census count of the Allen's has ever been complete.
Sounds like urban/rural legend to me. I've heard many of the same
stories about Armlin Hill, Sodom & some other places in Schoharie
county. All BS. Too many supposedly educated folks equate poverty
and lack of formal education with immorality & lawlessness. I've
never noticed much of a correlation one way or the other.
In the newspaper article which I note below, "a former Saratoga County
sheriff's deputy" said he "occasionally got calls up there" & "I never
had any problems."
I found some other references & I'll be looking at them in a couple
weeks just out of morbid curiosity.
There was an article in the Dec 19 1993 Times Union [though their
online library] which made mention of a $400,000 HUD grant which was
going to bring water & septic to 'The Hollow'. It refers to a
1990 EnCon report that said "five of six residences were disposing raw
sewage into Hollow Brook"
The highlights of the article are;
The Hollow is sometimes called Allentown by "outsiders".
There are about "48 housing units" there and sometime before 1993
"federal measures" classified 37 of them as substandard.
"Most people live in houses and trailers . . ."
In one place the article says 70% of the families had incomes under
$10,000. In another it says 42 of 48 households "reported incomes
of less than $20,000."
Cable TV arrived in the Hollow in 1992. [and "most of the 52 homes"
hooked up]
The article also mentions a 1975 film made by two Skidmore College
students, [now *there's* some culture shock for ya, kids], and a Times
Union article the same year that "shined a harsh light on the living
conditions" there. The film, according to this TU article focused on
the poverty.
It also mentioned a "noted Skidmore anthropologist", O. Roger
Gallagher [1916-1975] who the article intimates was the source of ;
"Most residents are the direct descendants of two settlers", David
Allen & Luke Kathan. [Interesting note here-- I don't think that is
an accurate claim, though 'most' is probably the key word. The
'noted anthropologist', if understood correctly by the TU writer,
seems to have missed the fact that the wife who bore 15 children for
Kathan was one of David Allen's 10 children.]
According to Gallager/TU there were 1199 folks in the town [Day?] in
1875, and 500 in 1975. [they are back to about 830 in 2000 with an
average household income of $33,000+-
http://www.saratoga.org/relocation/demograph.htm ]
These two irresponsible paragraphs sum it up for me. [but they do
make me want to get Gallagher's papers to see what he really
said/meant]
"Since the departure of other families, Gallagher reported: 'The
Allens and the Kathans intermarried . . . and these two families have
continued to intermarry ever since that time.'
Tales of incest spread, and according to locals, were exaggerated.
Such practices no longer exist, they said."
Families intermarrying is probably what gives rise to the incest
stories, but I don't know of anyplace that forbids 2nd cousin
marriages & by now 2 folks could be descended from David Allen, but
6th or seventh cousins. [and unless they are both genealogically
minded, they probably have no idea of the relationship]
The author of the article, Yancey Roy, doesn't seem to have ever
revisited the Hollow in the TU pages, though I see he's now a
political columnist for Gannet's "Albany bureau".
-snip-
>If you ever saw the documentary you'd know how bad it was. The
>improvement is the fact that some of the kids have gone on to college
>which is a major feat as most never made it out of highschool years
>ago.
Most? How many years ago? Remember it was only about 50 years ago
that most Americans didn't finish HS. Since the poverty/drop-out
rate follows a similar line, I'll bet that it was only about 20 yrs
ago that most folks in the socio-economic level of that part of the
world finished HS. Still no correlation between poverty &
immorality, though.
> There was an article in one of the local papers in the last year
>or so comparing what it is now compared to what it was before and
>during the making of the documentary.
Which local paper? [at least narrow it down to 3 or 4 if you can]
[I don't see anything in the TU library for the past 4 years]
Jim
Jim Elbrecht
Yep!<g> [At least they did in 1993. Also in 1993, an article in the
TU said that Saratoga Co had more mobile homes than any other county
in the state.]
Jim
Tom Hand
There may not be any law against second cousins marrying but there is a
large body of scientific evidence that says if they do it generation after
generation it leads to diminished intelligence and many kinds of genetic
diseases.
As for a correlation between criminality and poverty, I agree that none
exists. That however doesn't mean that criminality was not part of the
culture of the people who lived in Allentown. I know from people intimately
involved with the area that it was. The Times Union article you quote
doesn't mention it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. Relying on the
Albany Times Union for complete news coverage is risky at best. Most of
their local stories are superficial, slanted, and error prone. The Gazette,
while not perfect, is much more comprehensive and dependable in the area of
local news reporting.
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>There may not be any law against second cousins marrying but there is a
>large body of scientific evidence that says if they do it generation after
>generation it leads to diminished intelligence and many kinds of genetic
>diseases.
Maybe, though all the studies I've seen refer only to first cousin
marriages-- and then it is just a crap shoot depending on who the
grandparents are. But I still think that the occasion of cousin
[1st, 2nd, 3d, etc.] marriages in any of the rural impoverished areas
of NY is grossly exaggerated. I'd be willing to bet there are as
many [or maybe more] in our US Presidential bloodlines.
>
>As for a correlation between criminality and poverty, I agree that none
>exists. That however doesn't mean that criminality was not part of the
>culture of the people who lived in Allentown. I know from people intimately
>involved with the area that it was.
But why be so vague. "criminality part of the culture". Were they
all murderers? Was one a bootlegger? When?
> The Times Union article you quote
>doesn't mention it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. Relying on the
>Albany Times Union for complete news coverage is risky at best.
Any newspaper is a poor source-- the TU might be worse than others--
and this article in particular is one of the shoddiest pieces of
'journalism' that I've read in a long time.
> Most of
>their local stories are superficial, slanted, and error prone.
I think this one qualifies on all counts.
>The Gazette,
>while not perfect, is much more comprehensive and dependable in the area of
>local news reporting.
>
I prefer the Gazette myself-- but they haven't gotten around to
digitizing their library yet, so looking something up takes at least a
trip to the library & results are far less predictable.
The TU raised their rates to retrieve a copy of an article to $2 since
the last time I got one. I hope they make a gazillion $$'s and
every other newspaper follows their lead. Then, after I read a
few articles, I can go to the right library/archive & do some real
research.
Jim
Tom Hand
> "Tom Hand" <tro...@altavista.com> wrote:
>
> -snip-
> >There may not be any law against second cousins marrying but there is a
> >large body of scientific evidence that says if they do it generation
after
> >generation it leads to diminished intelligence and many kinds of genetic
> >diseases.
>
> Maybe, though all the studies I've seen refer only to first cousin
> marriages-- and then it is just a crap shoot depending on who the
> grandparents are. But I still think that the occasion of cousin
> [1st, 2nd, 3d, etc.] marriages in any of the rural impoverished areas
> of NY is grossly exaggerated. I'd be willing to bet there are as
> many [or maybe more] in our US Presidential bloodlines.
>
The best example that I can think of is that band of bufoons known as the
British Royal Family. Judging from their public antics they seem to have a
combined IQ of about 56 1/2.
> >
> >As for a correlation between criminality and poverty, I agree that none
> >exists. That however doesn't mean that criminality was not part of the
> >culture of the people who lived in Allentown. I know from people
intimately
> >involved with the area that it was.
>
> But why be so vague. "criminality part of the culture". Were they
> all murderers? Was one a bootlegger? When?
>
Car theft, burglary, child abuse, wife abuse, assault - that kind of stuff
for the most part. Hillbilly crimes.
¿fooguy?
> Phreddy Phlintstone <phreddy_p...@SPAMFILTERyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> -snip-
> >The Town of Day is on the north shore of the Sacandaga Reservoir. It
> >has been made famous by a documentary called "The Hollow'. Sort of
> >like the folks you saw in "Deliverance".
I was driving around Sacandaga one day when I was like 17 (you know -
had my license, wanted to drive anywhere). I had never been there, I
thought it was beautiful. Anyway, I ended up in Day.
This is what I saw:
Town of Day appears to be one road. I was on it. On my left was a
toothpaste green tar paper shack that had been "expanded" by attaching
a 1950's style mobile home (an honest to goodness sardine can). I then
had to stop to let the chickens cross the road.
I went a little farther, and all these people came outside their
houses and were just staring at my car. I turned around and left.
A couple years later my friend one saw an ad in some crappy newspaper
(crappier than the Post Star) for a 1963 Mustang (I think). It was
some classic car, and it was located in Day. The ad said it was in
good condition but it didn't run.
He dragged me to look at it. From the road we saw it, it was beautiful
- mint condition, cherry red, amazing. If all it needed was a new
engine it was a steal.
We got closer, (mind you, Day doesn't smell nice) and the smell I
remember was really bad. The car was FILLED with human feces. They had
been dumping it in the car.
I haven't been back since.
Tom Hand
Gives the term shitbox car a whole new meaning. Probably all for the
better, it most likely was stolen anyway.
Jim Elbrecht
>On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:31:24 GMT, Jim Elbrecht <jelb...@nycap.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I'd wager another root beer that most towns were planned before they
>>were founded. Day was actually a split off from two existing towns.
>
>Most settlements started because of its proximity to streams, rivers,
>ports or some other natural resource that some trapper, or explorer,
>found. He didn't go back to the town where he came from and sit down
>with his buddies and draw up a plan for a town, he just went there and
>built a cabin and other folks followed. To think that most settlements
>are the result of a Mayflower type compact is ridiculous.
I agree that it was geologic features that attracted many settlements,
and that trappers or explorers were the probably the first to locate
them.
But as for settling a community. . . . In Saratoga County, no
exception to 'the rule', it was well connected men like Yates & Glen &
Palmer that sowed the seeds of settlement by buying patents from the
state. [In 1790, about 20-30 yrs after the state got it from the
native Americans.] What is now Saratoga county spent those years
as the frontier lands of Albany County. Yates & Glenn & Palmer
most certainly "sat down with their buddies" and had some plans.
Then leaders like Rev. Ball & the Quaker & Baptist leaders who brought
flocks to Saratoga were the real settlers/founders. As they moved
in and established churches, courts & their own set of local laws in
the 1790s, any trappers/explorers who might have been living in
Saratoga would have moved out to the new frontier in western NY, or
further west to Mich. & Wisc.. [and a generation later the same
migration occurred, pushing the frontier further west. . . . then once
more to the Pacific.]
-snip-
>I live in Glens Falls, so it was either the Post-Star or the weekly
>paper The Chronicle. Neither has an on-line library of past articles
Thanks-- I'll give them a call & see if they can pin it down.
Jim
Winston969
>TU said that Saratoga Co had more mobile homes than any other county
>in the state.]
I bet that would be because the homes, usually so cheap across most of upstate,
would be expensive in Saratoga County because of their booming economy.
Nonetheless, I recently read the housing NY study from the US Census Bureau.
After doing the relevant calculations, it turns out that Chenango County of all
places has the highest rate, not necessairliy the most total, of trailers as a
percentage of the total housing stock. 20% of the homes in Chenango County are
trailers. The lowest percent was in four counties in NYC, where the total was
0%. Where do you think the trailers are most noticeable upstate?
Winston Brownlow
Tom Hand
That census figure must be rounded down for NYC because I have seen house
trailers there, in Queens. There may not be many but there are more than
none. The property they sit on is probably 1000 times more valuable than
the homes.
There is still a dumpy trailer park in Vegas on the strip, sitting among
billion dollar resort hotels. They must be holding out for an offer they
can't refuse.
Charles F. Gaumond
discussion of them in the book _Albion's_Seed_, which is about the
origins of American culture from the various regions of Britain. The
author believes that trailers are similar in size and shape to houses
in the border region between England and Scotland. He further believes
that the geographic distribution of trailers is influenced by the
culture of the original British settlers.
It's an interesting book. I came to better understand my mixed culture
from Upstate NY better after I read it.
troll
fall under "rape."
Monticello - a 71-year-old retired correction officer was convicted of
raping a young girl between 1996 and 1999 during her summer visits to his
home.
A Sullivan County jury found the retired corrections officer guilty of
multiple rape, sodomy and intimidation charges. The girl, now 16, testified
that the man once pointed a German Luger pistol at her head and threatened
to kill her if she told anyone.
He faces up to 25-years in prison for each of the five most serious charges.
Sentencing is scheduled for January 9th.
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> "żfooguy?" <johns_spa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Has anyone else noticed an unusually high incidence of sexual abuse in
> > their neck of the woods? Certain towns (Hudson Falls, Fort Edward)
> > seem to have a rape or molestation every single week.
>
> Hasn't Slick Willie been upstate recently?
>
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