How fast can you go on the Thruway before you get a ticket?
R.J. Costello
under 65 mph.
Rita
Daniel B Case
>> Anyone know if this can get reduced in court to a non-speeding
>> violation??
>
>In all likelihood... if it's the only violation on your license currently.
>( ie, first in eighteen months ) When I got clocked at 83 on a two-lane
>state road, I went to court, and since it was my first offense ( well...)
>Officer Law ( yes, that really was her name ) offered, 'as long as it is
>acceptable to you and the court', to knock it down to 63 in a 55.
Depends on where it was. Different towns have different policies. I recently
took a ticket to court in Corfu, which isn't on the Thruway but still takes a
lot of cash off Darien Lake-bound motorists (I was returning from Penn Yan, of
all places, last Septmeber with my wife when, as I was heading out of town
on Route 33 east, I was nailed. They only let you argue tickets down that are
below a certain speed (20 mph over the limit) and only tickets for 10 mph over
the limit or less can be taken down to non-speeding violations (the infamous
"passing a traffic control device" plea that New York lets you have, unlike NJ
(which still fines you more cheaply, though)).
>Probably 80 right? I can say all this, cause I live outta state now ;)
>don't hafta worry about anyone looking up my plates...
I have heard that T Troopers generally write only above 15 mph over the limit,
which should mean that once 65 takes effect, 80 mph will be the magic number on
the Thruway.
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Mark Wozniak, WBFO
In 1974, during the first big energy crisis, when the rural road speed limits
went from 65 to 50, then back to 55, I was carpooling to work with a woman who
was going out with a state trooper. She said he told her that they set their
radar guns at 62 in a posted 50 zone, and 67 in a 55. Don't know if that still
holds true.
I agree with a previous poster that usually local yokels (oops, my infamous CB
radio past is showing) are worse at ticketing than the state cops (remember the
old yellow/blue NYS trooper cars...the "Sunoco Specials"?). However, *always*
watch your speed on the Youngmann Highway (I-290) in Erie County and the I-490
in Monroe County...some days you'll find more cop cars in the fields and
medians than at the local Tim Horton's!
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Joanne K Smith
>I have heard that T Troopers generally write only above 15 mph over the limit,
>which should mean that once 65 takes effect, 80 mph will be the magic number on
>the Thruway.
I think that won't be the case. They will probably write those over
72mph or so. The State of New York needs the money.
Joanne
Mark Wozniak, WBFO
>I have heard that T Troopers generally write only above 15 mph over the limit,
>which should mean that once 65 takes effect, 80 mph will be the magic number
on
>the Thruway.
In New Hampshire, the rural speed limit is 65, and a few years ago, on the way
to Maine, I was stuck behind a truck doing about 50 for several miles. I had to
step on it to pass him, and just after I got back into my lane, New Hampshire's
finest were all set up, inviting me to stop for a visit. How could I refuse
such wonderful hospitality? I received a memento of the Granite State, complete
with a $60 fine, for doing 67 mph. It was quite a setup, really. I and the
other invited guests were being watched by police aircraft, and I often wonder
to this day whether the truck I passed was a state truck. Apparently states
give more leeway for speeds over 55, but at 65, the margin tightens
considerably.
Mark Kwandrans
I spoke with a Trooper who was "involved" with a member of the family
and he told me that Troopers generally don't pull over anyone till
they're doing around 67 mph. This particular Trooper waited until the
person was doing 72, so what was true in 1974 still holds.
Daniel B Case
>In New Hampshire, the rural speed limit is 65, and a few years ago, on the way
>to Maine, I was stuck behind a truck doing about 50 for several miles. I had to
>step on it to pass him, and just after I got back into my lane, New Hampshire's
>finest were all set up, inviting me to stop for a visit. How could I refuse
>such wonderful hospitality? I received a memento of the Granite State, complete
>with a $60 fine, for doing 67 mph. It was quite a setup, really. I and the
>other invited guests were being watched by police aircraft, and I often wonder
>to this day whether the truck I passed was a state truck. Apparently states
>give more leeway for speeds over 55, but at 65, the margin tightens
>considerably.
I'm surprised you didn't point out that (if you were tagged as you passed the
truck using radar) the radar inevitably picks up the larger object, in that
case the truck.
I suspect the margin will get smaller once 65 takes effect (perhaps they'll
write above 75), but since driver speed will remain fairly constant, as it has
in other states that have raised the limit, that won't mean much as far as the
rest of us having to slow down. Of course, as the other poster pointed out, a
whole bunch of other factors affect the decision to write: the time of day (you
can usually go faster at night), the time of the month ("monthly averages" need
to be met), and most importantly (if you weren't doing too much over the limit)
your attitude to the cop.
Tx
Is the speed limit in NY going to 65? That'd be great! I'm from
Vermont, and I used to average about 85 on the interstates b/c the cops
hardly ever patrol 'em. No police aircraft, either, so if the two lanes
are out of sight of each other, and there is no way for anyone to be
in the median, floor it. When I was little, my brother had a sports car,
and he used to have to slow down for the corners on the interstate (which
are completly safe at 75 mph)
Although speeding on the back roads is NOT a good idea. Those are
favorite hangouts for cops in Vt. The general rule in Vermont is 9 mph over
the limit is safe.
Just be careful for the moose!
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David W. Truland
>R.J. Costello (ri...@leo.aero.org) wrote:
>: In '77, I got a ticket for doing a lousy 69 mph on the Thruway. Stick to
>: under 65 mph.
>I remember reading an article about this in alt.law.enorcement.
>Most of the participants are cops, and they were comparing
>what they called the cut-off speed (or, the maximum speed before
>they pull you over). For NY, the cut-off was 68. That doesn't
>mean that they will not pull you over for going between
>55 and 68. If they are in a bad mood, or if they have to meet
>a quota, or if they do not like the way you are driving or
>the looks of your car, they will stop you. For exmple, if you
>are driving a gray Ford Taurus at 68mph, staying on your lane,
>not tailgating or anything like that, you will probably get
>away with it. If you are driving a red Corvette with chromed
>weels and a loud muffler, at 60mph, tailgating people and
>cutting lanes, they will pull you over.
And if you are young and black and are driving a new car
the cut-off is about 50.
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>truck using radar) the radar inevitably picks up the larger object, in
that
>case the truck.
When aircraft are used for speed enforcement, they don't use radar.
Usually a stopwatch is used.
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: Is the speed limit in NY going to 65? That'd be great! I'm from
: Vermont, and I used to average about 85 on the interstates b/c the cops
: hardly ever patrol 'em. No police aircraft, either, so if the two lanes
: are out of sight of each other, and there is no way for anyone to be
: in the median, floor it. When I was little, my brother had a sports car,
: and he used to have to slow down for the corners on the interstate (which
: are completly safe at 75 mph)
: Although speeding on the back roads is NOT a good idea. Those are
: favorite hangouts for cops in Vt. The general rule in Vermont is 9 mph over
: the limit is safe.
: Just be careful for the moose!
: --
The fines in New York go up a bunch when you go 15 over the limit. No
guilty plea by mail and lots a bucks.
The trip point is usually set close to the limit + 15.
There is no problem conformong to the "performance standard" ther
is no quota. hehe
sw...@phantom.com
Paul Johnson
>On Mon, 13 Mar 1995 how...@delphi.com wrote:
>
>> I have driven up and down the Thruway hundreds (or so...) of times.
>> There I was going 72 mph and poof **The NYS State Police!**
>>
>> Has anyone else gotten a ticket for less than this? I guess I should
>> have listened to my firend who told me to stick at no higher than
>> 68 mph.
>
>Well it wasn't on the Thruway, put I've gone by Troopers sitting between
>lanes of the Northway ( between Albany and Exit 8 ) at above 85 and not
>been stopped. Musta been too busy with the doughnuts. I can't imagine
>he/she didn't see me tho, I was in the third lane and everything.
>
>I'm rarely below eighty on the Thruway, and have never been pulled over
>on it. I-88 is another story tho, I'm not sure the Police even know where
>it is... don't think I've ever even see a Trooper between Cobleskill and
>Binghamton.
OOOO, be careful. I know a trooper that works out of Onenata(sp?) that
LOVES!!!!! to write speeding tickets just to see the people squirm.
His last name is Copshaw. (forgot the first....repressed the memories
sorry) Actually I met him in a social setting but he was still repulsive.
Actually the best thing to drive in NY is a state vehical. That seal on
the door does wonders to blind the troopers.
Paul Johnson
Charlotte NC
NC btw is a sensible state that has 65mph speed limits on the highways
Daniel B Case
>>I'm surprised you didn't point out that (if you were tagged as you passed
>the
>>truck using radar) the radar inevitably picks up the larger object, in
>that
>>case the truck.
>
>When aircraft are used for speed enforcement, they don't use radar.
>Usually a stopwatch is used.
Hmm. You're right. Woz didn't say what they used.
Anyway, aircraft are sort of a dead issue in NYS-I think they only fly about
a couple of hundred annual hours, and only on the Thruway out of Syracuse.
Speed enforcement by air is largely subject to how generous the federal
government is with subsidies (you try fitting the cost of lots of aviation
gasoline into a police agency budget without help) and there hasn't been much
of that lately.
NYS speed enforcement by air usually makes use of those big white dotted lines
across the road. So, if you hit them with a low-flying aricraft around, *slow
down*.
spe...@ibm.net
>I have driven up and down the Thruway hundreds (or so...) of times.
>There I was going 72 mph and poof **The NYS State Police!**
>
>Has anyone else gotten a ticket for less than this? I guess I should
>have listened to my firend who told me to stick at no higher than
>68 mph.
max that you can get by with. I've accidently driven through a couple of traps at
that speed and wasn't stopped. I wouldn't chance it though. With the change in the
speed limit comming that may change.
Mike Stoico
When I die, I wanna go in my sleep like my grandfather,
Not screaming like the passengers in his car
Michael Moroney
> across the road. So, if you hit them with a low-flying aricraft around, *slow
> down*.
Used to be that for traffic violations the cop who issued the ticket must be
the one who witnessed the violation. This essentially ruled out the "bear in
the air" to catch speeders, since they'd have to have the plane land on the
highway and pull you over to comply with this. Guess they changed this.
Either that or the plane simply radios ahead to a trap, cop ahead is waiting
for you with radar, clocks you and (assuming you're still speeding) witnesses
the violation and can write you up.
-Mike
Daniel B Case
>Used to be that for traffic violations the cop who issued the ticket must be
>the one who witnessed the violation. This essentially ruled out the "bear in
>the air" to catch speeders, since they'd have to have the plane land on the
>highway and pull you over to comply with this.
In some situations in Florida, the helicopter has actually landed on the road
to write you up.
Guess they changed this.
>Either that or the plane simply radios ahead to a trap, cop ahead is waiting
>for you with radar, clocks you and (assuming you're still speeding) witnesses
>the violation and can write you up.
It holds up better in court that way, that's for sure.
bob...@east.pima.edu
> In article <pEERlaE9...@world.std.com>, mor...@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes...
>>Used to be that for traffic violations the cop who issued the ticket must be
>>the one who witnessed the violation. This essentially ruled out the "bear in
>>the air" to catch speeders, since they'd have to have the plane land on the
>>highway and pull you over to comply with this.
>
> In some situations in Florida, the helicopter has actually landed on the road
> to write you up.
>
> Guess they changed this.
>>Either that or the plane simply radios ahead to a trap, cop ahead is waiting
>>for you with radar, clocks you and (assuming you're still speeding) witnesses
>>the violation and can write you up.
>
> It holds up better in court that way, that's for sure.
>
> Daniel Case V140...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
>
One thing that can be bad about driving fast on the thoughway. Once in
the summer we were taking a trip to Buff. and because it was hot we had the
windows down. So not once but twice the toll ticket flew out the window, seeing
that those friendly and understanding weasels at the toll did not believe what
ramp we got on, we had to pay the max amount which was about $7.95 at the time.
So, if you do drive fast, Roll up your windows!!!!!!!
Bob O'
john hopper
>> Guess they changed this.
>>>Either that or the plane simply radios ahead to a trap, cop ahead is waiting
>>>for you with radar, clocks you and (assuming you're still speeding) witnesses
>>>the violation and can write you up.
>>
>> It holds up better in court that way, that's for sure.
>>
I think we're ignoring th obvious here -- Getting caught speeding
from the air requires clear days. I don't think timing cars from
the air is much of an issue upstate...
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In article <3k2g1i$6...@mrnews.mro.dec.com>, ac...@asdg.enet.dec.com (Bill
Acito) wrote:
> how...@delphi.com asked... "How fast can you go on the
> Thruway before you get a ticket?
>
> 68-70 seems to be the magic number. With 'instant on' technology, and
> depending on the traffic load, you won't see 'em or hear 'em until you're
> right on 'em.
>
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Mark Wozniak, WBFO
> >Usually a stopwatch is used.
>
> Hmm. You're right. Woz didn't say what they used.
The New Hampshire trooper who wrote my ticket (part of a posse, as there were
three patrol cars, and they must have pulled over another five or six cars in
the three or so minutes that they wrote me up) said that the speed was clocked
from the air. I could hear the radio from one of the trooper cars, like "that
blue one coming up, not the red one, the station wagon", etc.
We took a trip to Cleveland this past week, and my wife was driving on the
Thruway about five miles south of the Hamburg exit. She was doing about 65 as
she went under a bridge, when she spotted a trooper in the right lane. At that
moment, a van with PA plates was passing us. My wife looked in the mirror, saw
the trooper pull out, and said "he's after him or me". I asked what the speed
was, and she said "about 65". I told her about the speed thread here in
a.c.ny-u, and said that we were OK. Sure enough, the trooper pulled over the PA
van. We didn't stop to see if the trooper said "Have a nice day". :-)
spe...@ibm.net
>> 68-70 seems to be the magic number. With 'instant on' technology, and
>> depending on the traffic load, you won't see 'em or hear 'em until you're
>> right on 'em.
>
1) Watch for the U-Turn signs.. that's where the usually are and..
2) Watch for them coming in the opposite direction. I've seen them turn around and
go after some speeders
William Acito
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