Upstate Independence (was: When the hell...)
Emmett
Okay, fine, we've had a good run on this topic, but let's list some
good reasons why New York State should be divided into at least two
smaller states. I am a firm believer in this. Here's why.
1. Culture is what defines a people. Where language is similar, but
culture different, you will find a longing for independence on the
part of the less influential segment of the population. We are, after
all, still in the age of nationalism. America thought it had
superseded that supposedly antiquated, emotional, non-rational
ideology, but it did not. It provided diversions, to be sure. But it
is very plain to any resident of New York State above Albany that New
York City and its suburbs represent a wholly different culture than
what is seen here. Yes, we wear the same clothes, but even in Bosnia
you'll find regular looking chaps wearing Yale T-shirts. But if you
ask a schoolkid about adaptions that allow humans to get food, a city
kid will tell you we have hands to grab money with; an North Country
kid will tell you we have keen eyesight with which to properly shoot
our food. Quite a cultural divide there.
2. New York City has a hugely disproportionate effect on statewide
elections, as evidenced by the dismal Environmental Slush Fund Bond
that was passed on November 5. Would it really be fair to an
apartment dweller if a family in Apartment D-4, with 400 relatives
crammed into a six room space, each with Co-op voting rights, had to
put up with Muzac, metal detectors, and daily delousing upon entry
simply because the folks in Apartment D-4 out-voted the rest of the
building's residents on just such a ballot? Certainly not. This is
the tyranny of the majority.
2.1 When the framers of the Constitution were considering how to
mitigate the effects of disproportionate populations on national
politics, they decided to appoint two Senators for each State, no
matter what the population. Where is this respect for the minority in
our State's politics? We are on the upside of a see-saw, with no way
to go down that doesn't involve falling and breaking a limb. Both our
State's senators are from downstate. Our Governor is from downstate.
3. New York City, in its rapacious disregard of the environment, has
submerged more acreage than any other city in the east. None of this
acreage, was uninhabited. Folks up in Shokan can still tell you what
life was like before the City came and put their town underwater.
(Hurry, those survivors are pretty old by now.) How about
Cannonsville Reservoir? How many folks were displaced by that? And
for WHAT? Because the city didn't have the political will to put in
water meters? Because the city didn't feel like charging what water
was worth? Or because those country folk didn't matter shit when it
came to the city's needs?
I intend for this to be a serious discussion of the merits of the 51st
State (and I don't mean Puerto Rico.) Let's not substitute vitriol
for reasoned discussion.
Please add your thoughts to this thread!
Emmett
Daniel Goodman
Some considerations:
1) How much of the "City outvoting us" problem is New York City, and how
much is the suburbs? Same for cultural problems. And the suburbs are
moving north. Where are you going to draw a dividing line so that
Upstaters are safe from NYC-sururbs interfering?
2) States whose largest nearby cities are outside those states don't seem
to do as well as Upstate New York. Examples: New Jersey, whose largest
cities are NYC and Philadelphia. Mississippi, whose big cities are
Memphis TN and New Orleans LA.
3) What about Long Island?
4) If the state _was_ divided, how long would it be before people started
complaining about Buffalo -- which would then be the Big Bad City?
--
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In article <570g26$6...@darla.visi.com>, dsg...@visi.com (Daniel Goodman)
writes:
>Some considerations:
>
>1) How much of the "City outvoting us" problem is New York City, and how
>much is the suburbs? Same for cultural problems. And the suburbs are
>moving north. Where are you going to draw a dividing line so that
>Upstaters are safe from NYC-sururbs interfering?
NYC has about 7 million people. The suburbs have about 5 million more.
Upstate has about 6 million. Generally, NYC votes democrat, upstate,
except for upstate cities, vote republican, and the NYC suburbs hold the
balance. That is where most elections in the state are really fought.
Exceptions: Pataki won not because of a groundswell of upstate Republican
support, but because NYC's democrats had grown weary of Cuomo and didn't
vote in their usual numbers. So NYC and its 'burbs may disproportionately
affect state elections, but they also help support upstate's economy
through state facilities (SUNY, prisons even, great state parks and
forests) and through tourism.
>2) States whose largest nearby cities are outside those states don't seem
>to do as well as Upstate New York. Examples: New Jersey, whose largest
>cities are NYC and Philadelphia. Mississippi, whose big cities are
>Memphis TN and New Orleans LA.
States need an income generator which large cities provide.
>3) What about Long Island?
I'm very pleased that three million people seem to like it there.
>4) If the state _was_ divided, how long would it be before people started
>complaining about Buffalo -- which would then be the Big Bad City?
About five minutes.
Bill Nechamen
Schenectady, NY
"He who knows nothing and knows he knows nothing is a child. Teach him.
He who knows something and thinks he knows nothing is asleep. Wake him.
He who knows nothing and thinks he knows something is a fool. Shun him."
lu...@aol.com
Emmett wrote:
>>We are on the upside of a see-saw, with no way
to go down that doesn't involve falling and breaking a limb. Both our
State's senators are from downstate. Our Governor is from downstate.<<
George Pataki is from Putnam County.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan is from either Otsego, Delaware or Schoharie
County (my map doesn't show the village he lives outside of, near Oneonta)
And yes, Al D'Amato is from lawn guyland.
I would also add that the #3 in the Republican Congress represents part of
the North County - Gerald Solomon, who lives in Queensbury, where Assault
Weapons are needed protection, or so he says.
Luke H. Gordon
UPIU International Representative
Lu...@aol.com
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Charles M. Vamossy
In <19961122061...@ladder01.news.aol.com> lu...@aol.com
writes:
>Emmett wrote:
>
>>>We are on the upside of a see-saw, with no way
>to go down that doesn't involve falling and breaking a limb. Both our
>State's senators are from downstate. Our Governor is from
downstate.<<
>
>George Pataki is from Putnam County.
George Pataki was born and raised in Westchester County. His father
owned a farm in Peekskill and George eventually ran for office and for
several years he was the mayor of that Westchester city, before he
became a State Senator, still representing Westchester County.
A few years ago, after his father died, the family sold the farm and
George and Libby reinvested their money in a home just across the
county border in Garrison, Putnam County.
Charlie Vamossy
Julia C. Tenney
lu...@aol.com wrote:
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan is from either Otsego, Delaware or Schoharie
> County (my map doesn't show the village he lives outside of, near Oneonta)
Delaware county. His house was recently featured (in the past couple
years) in something like Architectural Digest.
Can we just pretend he's from the city?
Thanks, in part, to Moynihan, my college years exposed me to levels of
racism I would rather not witness again.
Julia - Vassar '91
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"Julia C. Tenney" <omps...@psaver.com> wrote:
>Can we just pretend he's from the city?
>Thanks, in part, to Moynihan, my college years exposed me to levels of
>racism I would rather not witness again.
>
>Julia - Vassar '91
Intriguing comment. What are you referring to?
Jack Carroll
ric...@warwick.net
lu...@aol.com wrote:
: Emmett wrote:
: >>We are on the upside of a see-saw, with no way
: to go down that doesn't involve falling and breaking a limb. Both our
: State's senators are from downstate. Our Governor is from downstate.<<
: George Pataki is from Putnam County.
: Daniel Patrick Moynihan is from either Otsego, Delaware or Schoharie
: County (my map doesn't show the village he lives outside of, near Oneonta)
: And yes, Al D'Amato is from lawn guyland.
: I would also add that the #3 in the Republican Congress represents part of
: the North County - Gerald Solomon, who lives in Queensbury, where Assault
: Weapons are needed protection, or so he says.
And the House Foreign Affairs Committee chairman is Ben Gilman,
representing Orange and Rockland counties (and I think his home is in
Middletown, NY).
et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu
It seems that i need to be vocal today, maybe I am just that mood. I
read a note doing a sly little attack on Gerold Solomon who is my
representative, and a damn fine one at that. He represents a small
little, conservative district that is very against the outlawing of
firearms. Such nice, small town as granville, hartford, salem, and
hebron where one of the favorite past times of the locals is hunting
falls in his district.
It is amazing to me that Mr. Solomons bold state in our nations capital
was take so badly. It also amuses me to hear 'assault rifles'. Under
the liberal whinings that washington has heard in the last few years, my
semi-automatic .30-06 is practically an 'assault rifle' and you cant even
buy the kind of .22 I own anymore cause it holds 13 rounds, good thing it
is grandfathered, I wouldnt want to be a lawbreaking, gun toting
revolutionary who kills people in the night with my dangerous 'assault
rifle' If true crime control is wanted, this country needs to take a
look at some simple facts. It is not the gun that kills, it is the
fruitcase scumbag behind it.
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Rebecca Brynteson
You make a wonderful point. I agree and can empathize. AND my best
friend works for Gerry here in Saratoga Springs...(YES! I am HOME!)
et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu wrote:
: It seems that i need to be vocal today, maybe I am just that mood. I
--
Becca Brynteson
"I have always imagined that paradise will be a kind of library."
--Jorge Luis Borges
Charles M. Vamossy
In <Pine.PMDF.3.91.9611261...@cnsvax.albany.edu>
et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu writes:
>
>It is amazing to me that Mr. Solomons bold state in our nations
capital was take so badly.
What on earth is a bold state??? Maybe that why it was "take" badly.
If true crime control is wanted, this country needs to take a
>look at some simple facts. It is not the gun that kills, it is the
>fruitcase scumbag behind it.
>
The simple fact is that even a fruitcake scumbag needs a gun if he or
she is going to shoot off anything besides a big mouth.
>| Eric Tucker
Charles Vamossy
gr...@aol.com
And you think that outlawing guns is going to keep your "fruitcake
scumbag" from getting a gun?
Sean
Dhalle
et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu wrote:
>
If true crime control is wanted, this country needs to take a
> look at some simple facts. It is not the gun that kills, it is the
> fruitcase scumbag behind it.
another reason to leave hicksville,USA(UPSTATE NY)!! if you want to hunt
do it with a spear or something like the indians did before your
forefathers came over to america and SHOT them all and raped their women
and stole their land!! your argument about having the right to bear arms
and hunting is tired and weak!! outlaw guns from everyone and put a dent
in crime like in europe!!
r...@inetworld.net
On 27 Nov 1996 15:44:51 GMT, gr...@aol.com wrote:
>And you think that outlawing guns is going to keep your "fruitcake
>scumbag" from getting a gun?
Since the vast majority of people murdered are offed by someone they
know (50 % of women by a husband, boyfriend or ex of either variety),
the "fruitcake scumbag" seems to be the least of our worries.
Americans are just too damn willing to settle a dispute with a gun.
Doesn't matter if you ban them or arm everyone, because you're not
dealing with the root causes of violence in this society. Stop
looking for the easy answer.
=Bob
eflo...@servtech.com
gr...@aol.com wrote:
>And you think that outlawing guns is going to keep your "fruitcake
>scumbag" from getting a gun?
>Sean
Or, using something else. A knife, perhaps. A baseball bat.
A fountain pen.
The problem is not the tool, it's the person HOLDING it.
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spots, some of which are very small. If you see grey, you're not getting
close enough to what you're looking at to know it's true nature.
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> Since the vast majority of people murdered are offed by someone they
> know (50 % of women by a husband, boyfriend or ex of either variety),
> the "fruitcake scumbag" seems to be the least of our worries.
> Americans are just too damn willing to settle a dispute with a gun.
> Doesn't matter if you ban them or arm everyone, because you're not
> dealing with the root causes of violence in this society. Stop
> looking for the easy answer.
Throwing out statistics is easy to do, like in cities where firearms
education has been instituted, crimes by firearms have dropped as much as
30%, or that only .27 percent of all crimes committed with a firearm
involve 'assault rifles' as termed by the federal government.
Patrick A. Ferrel
: The problem is not the tool, it's the person HOLDING it.
Which is precisely why I think weapons capable of mass destruction should
be kept away from people.
Thanks for supporting my argument.
---
Patrick Ferrel = pfe...@syr.edu
Buffalo '95 -=-=- Syracuse '97
Man In Motion
>another reason to leave hicksville,USA(UPSTATE NY)!! if you want to hunt
>do it with a spear or something like the indians did before your
>forefathers came over to america and SHOT them all and raped their women
>and stole their land!! your argument about having the right to bear arms
>and hunting is tired and weak!! outlaw guns from everyone and put a dent
>in crime like in europe!!
WRONG! Violent crime is not a problem in upstate NY so why should the
citizens of low crime areas be forced to forfeit their right to bear
arms because of the crime infested cities. I'm all for gun control on
a local level but not a national level. What works for some areas
doesn't make any sense and sometimes hurts other areas. If the people
of NY city, Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit, and etc. want to ban guns
for everyone (except law enforcement officials) let them! It's a good
idea! Apparently some people are responsible enough to use guns
properly and maturely and others aren't, those that can't exercise
their second ammendment right responsibly, shouldn't have that right
at all, but those that can shouldn't lose that right because of the
morons that abuse that right!!!
MIM
eshiiii
Dhalle <mass...@future.dreamscape.com> wrote in article
<329D01...@future.dreamscape.com>...
> et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu wrote:
snipped
> another reason to leave hicksville,USA(UPSTATE NY)!! if you want to ....
Gee, Hicksville is downstate. Long island to be exact.
Just being picky today! :)
et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu
On 2 Dec 1996, Patrick A. Ferrel wrote:
> : The problem is not the tool, it's the person HOLDING it.
>
> Which is precisely why I think weapons capable of mass destruction should
> be kept away from people.
>
> Thanks for supporting my argument.
To this i would have to reply .. what are you talking about, by the same
reasoning we should take shovels away from people because someone might
get bludgeoned with it, and if you want to stay with mass destruction we
should take away automobiles, cause a well placed car crash could kill
many people.
ttmitchell
DMAT...@Albion.edu (Man In Motion) wrote:
>>another reason to leave hicksville,USA(UPSTATE NY)!! if you want to hunt
>>do it with a spear or something like the indians did before your
>>forefathers came over to america and SHOT them all and raped their women
>>and stole their land!! your argument about having the right to bear arms
>>and hunting is tired and weak!! outlaw guns from everyone and put a dent
>>in crime like in europe!!
>WRONG! Violent crime is not a problem in upstate NY so why should the
>citizens of low crime areas be forced to forfeit their right to bear
>arms because of the crime infested cities.
Excuse me? It wasn't in Syracuse where one student gunned down a high
school coach and the father of a former girlfriend, or another one
where a man went into his former place of employment and gunned down
his former boss, it was Dryden. It wasn't Buffalo where some stupid
kid went and gunned down both of his parents, then had to show up on
America's Most Wanted; I don't remember the name of the town right
now. But both of these were small towns. Do you want to modify that
statement somewhat?
--
Mitch
et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu
You quote three separate cases here and while i see the validity of the
statement that crime happens anywhere, everyone with good sense must
admin the fact that much more crime takes place in cities than in rural
areas. Because of the low education rate and high poverty rate, cities
are much more suseptible to crimes that towns and villages.
bill...@aol.com
In article
<Pine.PMDF.3.91.9612040...@cnsvax.albany.edu>,
et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu writes:
> everyone with good sense must
>admin the fact that much more crime takes place in cities than in rural
>areas. Because of the low education rate and high poverty rate, cities
>are much more suseptible to crimes that towns and villages.
>
>
Actually, much more crime takes place in cities than rural areas because
many more people live and work and visit cities than rural areas. Crime
does of course track poverty, which in turn tracks low education rates,
but that can be found in cities as well as in rural areas.
Bill Nechamen
Schenectady, NY
A person who designs something to be completely foolproof underestimates
the ingenuity of complete fools.
Man In Motion
>>>another reason to leave hicksville,USA(UPSTATE NY)!! if you want to hunt
>>>do it with a spear or something like the indians did before your
>>>forefathers came over to america and SHOT them all and raped their women
>>>and stole their land!! your argument about having the right to bear arms
>>>and hunting is tired and weak!! outlaw guns from everyone and put a dent
>>>in crime like in europe!!
>>WRONG! Violent crime is not a problem in upstate NY so why should the
>>citizens of low crime areas be forced to forfeit their right to bear
>>arms because of the crime infested cities.
>Excuse me? It wasn't in Syracuse where one student gunned down a high
>school coach and the father of a former girlfriend, or another one
>where a man went into his former place of employment and gunned down
>his former boss, it was Dryden. It wasn't Buffalo where some stupid
>kid went and gunned down both of his parents, then had to show up on
>America's Most Wanted; I don't remember the name of the town right
>now. But both of these were small towns. Do you want to modify that
>statement somewhat?
Crime is a problem in all areas, yes. But there are some areas that
have a lot less crime than others. Okay I'll modify the statement,
violent crime is not a problem in Northern, NY. It does happen but
not that frequently. I'm from Malone, NY and I've only ever heard of
two murders occurring in my town, I've also heard of the famous murder
in the Adirondacks case from around of the turn of the century. That
didn't involve a gun though, the guy pushed his wife off a rowboat on
Blue Mountain Lake. Guns don't need to be present for a violent crime
to occur. Keep in mind there are also many stabbings, should we
outlaw knives? Some people bludgeon others with such implements as
baseball bats... I guess that means we should outlaw the national
pasttime because the bats can be used as assault weapons. All I'm
trying to say is that while outlawing guns may be a good idea for some
cities and communities it may not make any sense for other
communities. This is a democracy though, why not have referendums in
all our cities offering the option to ban guns? After all the
government should be an agent of the people not a ruler of the people.
If the US population voted to repeal the second ammendment in a
referendum I would have no problem with it. If the government
repealed it without the consent of the governed I WOULD have a problem
with it. This is an issue that shouldn't be left to congress, too
many personal agendas, too many lobbyists clouding their judgement
(whether it be PETA or the NRA). This is an issue that needs to be
voted on by the masses.
Darrin
John Fereira
In article <32a35...@sunspot.albion.edu> DMAT...@Albion.edu (Man In Motion) writes:
>
>
>WRONG! Violent crime is not a problem in upstate NY
Try telling that to the parents of the two teenage girls from McClean
that were recently raped and mutilated.
--
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fer...@isis.com
Isis Distributed Systems - Ithaca, NY
caip.rutgers.edu!halasz
> to do as well as Upstate New York. Examples: New Jersey, whose largest
> cities are NYC and Philadelphia.
I liked my old hometoun, Englewood, until around 1980 when the city council
grew greedy, and instigated a change that made dountoun a place for
wealthy suburbanites. I liked its slow, slow change. It was good for us all.
I liked also Piermont. Truth is, there was no sudden change between Bergen
Co, in NJ, and Rockland Co, in NY. They were on a continuum.
There is no witness for your thesis in the NJ that I knew.
--
/ */ /
Malek's Law: Any simple idea will be worded in the most complicated way
bc7...@binghamton.edu
upstate...downstate...upstate...downstate...upstate...downstate...It's
all relative to where you are!! If you are in NYC then upstate is
anything north of you. If you are in Syracuse then NYC is downstate, and
Lake Placid is upstate. Haven't we beat this to a pulp already?
Althought it was amusing at first, this arguement is getting out of hand.
-kristina;)
Paul D. Schreiner
> Guns don't need to be present for a violent crime
> to occur. Keep in mind there are also many stabbings, should we
> outlaw knives? Some people bludgeon others with such implements as
> baseball bats... I guess that means we should outlaw the national
> pasttime because the bats can be used as assault weapons.
that'd have to be some pretty good bat speed...
ok, anything can be used as a weapon to assault a person with,
including baseball bats, shovels, and the meatloaf i had last week. it
doesn't make it an "assault weapon"....which is something which can kill
many people very fast with little effort needed on the part of the user.
Patrick A. Ferrel
: To this i would have to reply .. what are you talking about, by the same
: get bludgeoned with it, and if you want to stay with mass destruction we
: should take away automobiles, cause a well placed car crash could kill
: many people.
To this I would have to reply...Periods are truly wonderful things. Use
them. Run on sentences are difficult to read.
Second, your reasoning is even worse then your grammar.
The primary purpose of a shovel is to dig holes. It's a very effective
tool when used for that purpose. It's a lot better than digging with a
spoon and a backhoe can be really messy. If I had to dig a hole and
didn't have a shovel to use, I don't know what I'd do.
The primary purpose of automobilies is to travel great distances cheaply.
It's a very effective tool when used for that purpose. I have a bicycle.
It's nice for when I have to travel short distances but the 150 miles
between Buffalo and Syracuse is a wee bit far. On the other hand, taking
a bus, train or plane would be far too expensive. If I had to get home
and didn't have a car to use, I'd have to bite the bullet and take a bus
or train. But I would only go if it were imperative that I go.
The primary purpose of a gun is to shoot someone or something. It's a
very effective tool when used for that purpose. I, however, have never
felt the need to shoot anyone. I fail to see why anyone would ever have
the need to shoot anyone, aside from, perhaps, when one felt his life were
in danger.
I have never been a victim of a violent crime and don't know anyone who
has. I recently helped conduct a survey that included questions about
whether people had been the victim of a violent crime and their estimates
on crime statistics.
The survey found that only 12% of the people claimed to be the victim of a
violent crime and on the whole, people overestimated the amount of crime
that exists.
In short, the Mean World Syndrome lives on in knuckle-draggers like you
who have no concept of reality today or the conditions that existed when
the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment.
et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu
> In short, the Mean World Syndrome lives on in knuckle-draggers like you
> who have no concept of reality today or the conditions that existed when
> the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment.
First off man, if you truly are base enough to start a reply by picking
on someones grammar and punctuation, especially on the internet, then you
must be one anal dude. Secondly, it is nice to know that we are arguing
the same side of the same point yet you seem incapable of grasping that
concept, next time follow the full thread if you want to interject ... I
apologize to the rest of the newsgroup for wasting bandwidth.
Dhalle
et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, ttmitchell wrote:
>
> > DMAT...@Albion.edu (Man In Motion) wrote:
> >
> > >>do it with a spear or something like the indians did before your
> > >>forefathers came over to america and SHOT them all and raped their women
> > >>and stole their land!! your argument about having the right to bear arms
> > >>and hunting is tired and weak!! outlaw guns from everyone and put a dent
> > >>in crime like in europe!!
> >
> > >WRONG! Violent crime is not a problem in upstate NY so why should the
> > >citizens of low crime areas be forced to forfeit their right to bear
> > >arms because of the crime infested cities.
> >
> > Excuse me? It wasn't in Syracuse where one student gunned down a high
> > school coach and the father of a former girlfriend, or another one
> > where a man went into his former place of employment and gunned down
> > his former boss, it was Dryden. It wasn't Buffalo where some stupid
> > kid went and gunned down both of his parents, then had to show up on
> > America's Most Wanted; I don't remember the name of the town right
> > now. But both of these were small towns. Do you want to modify that
> > statement somewhat?
>
> admin the fact that much more crime takes place in cities than in rural
> areas. Because of the low education rate and high poverty rate, cities
> are much more suseptible to crimes that towns and villages.
i knew this would get you farmer boy deer killers in an uproar!!he he he
Dhalle
Margaret M. Robinson wrote:
> so how about a *new* upstate thread: city nickames?
> I know a few of the larger cities have some colorful pseudonyms,
> because I live in the Salt City, and previously lived in the Parlor
> City, and have friends who live in the Flower City (or is that Flour?
> <g>)
>
> Do any of the medium sized cities have nicknames and/or interesting
> stories of how they acquired their names?
>
> Margaret
well theres ROME they call that the ARMPIT city, then theres rochester
and syracuse which do a coin toss every year for the right to be called
CRIME city, um there is utica and its surrounding suburbs like new
hartford new york mills, ect. ect, which are commonly referred to as the
city and towns that always sleep*yawn* then we move on to places like
westmoreland, chadwicks, clayville, and other such places which are
known as hillbilly central or cowshit heaven
Margaret M. Robinson
Wayne Beardsley
Dhalle <mass...@future.dreamscape.com> wrote:
[snip of usual acrimonious blather]
Dhalle pardon, who are we dealing with today? Katherine Dhalle,
Evil Santa, Diamond Dave, or some other pseudo-net-o-nym?
Most of us on this group who like to know who we are dealing
with.
Wayne Beardsley
Dhalle <mass...@future.dreamscape.com> wrote:
[snip of usual acrimonious blather]
Dhalle pardon, who are we hearing from today? Katherine Dhalle,
Evil Santa, Diamond Dave, or some other pseudo-net-o-nym?
Most of us on this group would like to know who is sharing these
pearls of wisdom with us.
Scott Teilhaber
Saved me the waste of time responding to the Anal jerk.
Cheers,
Scott Teilhaber
Emmett Hoops
Well, I would have thought it had been beaten to a pulp, had the original argument been pursued. But this thread has been
destroyed by self-seeking idiots who can't seem to get their opinions aired in any other arena but this.
I had hoped for an intelligent discussion of the realities of New York City's dominance of the state, and of the realities of the
division of New York State into two or three more politically viable entities. What resulted was a bunch of Internet bullshit.
Oh well. This group is, like anything else in the public domain, ninety percent bullshit and ten percent information.
Newsgroups. Hah.
Emmett
> upstate...downstate...upstate...downstate...upstate...downstate...It's
> all relative to where you are!! If you are in NYC then upstate is
> anything north of you. If you are in Syracuse then NYC is downstate, and
> Lake Placid is upstate. Haven't we beat this to a pulp already?
> Althought it was amusing at first, this arguement is getting out of hand.
> -kristina;)
>
>
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"Nietzsche is dead." -- God
-Lurch-
In alt.culture.ny-upstate, Dhalle <mass...@future.dreamscape.com>
burst forth, saying:
[>Margaret M. Robinson wrote:
[>>
[>> bc7...@binghamton.edu wrote:
[>>
<SNIP>
[>well theres ROME they call that the ARMPIT city, then theres rochester
[>and syracuse which do a coin toss every year for the right to be called
[>CRIME city, um there is utica and its surrounding suburbs like new
[>hartford new york mills, ect. ect, which are commonly referred to as the
[>city and towns that always sleep*yawn* then we move on to places like
[>westmoreland, chadwicks, clayville, and other such places which are
[>known as hillbilly central or cowshit heaven
Ahh, the blatherings of the ignorant! You seem to be on the south side
of town by the names you list. You do not know when you are well off I
guess. I like having a such a place to come back to when I need ot get
away from DC area. I know its a shame that there aren't too many good
jobs to be had there, but thats they way it has been for years. I left
over twenty years ago, but go back fairly often to visit. If there was
a job there for me, I'd be back in a heartbeat.
If you hate it so much then leave! go to post toaties land (California
- land of the fruits, nuts and flakes!) or elsewhere. You aren't
helping the hometown by dragging it through the mud.
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Larry H
bc7...@binghamton.edu wrote:
>upstate...downstate...upstate...downstate...upstate...downstate...It's
>all relative to where you are!! If you are in NYC then upstate is
>anything north of you. If you are in Syracuse then NYC is downstate, and
>Lake Placid is upstate. Haven't we beat this to a pulp already?
>Althought it was amusing at first, this arguement is getting out of hand.
>-kristina;)
Obviously, it has beaten you to a pulp, and you still don't
understand that no matter where you stand Lake Placid (and
Malone) are in Northern NY. :-)
Raphael Copeland
>> Do any of the medium sized cities have nicknames and/or interesting
>> stories of how they acquired their names?
>>
>> Margaret
>
>and syracuse which do a coin toss every year for the right to be called
>CRIME city, um there is utica and its surrounding suburbs like new
>hartford new york mills, ect. ect, which are commonly referred to as the
>city and towns that always sleep*yawn* then we move on to places like
>westmoreland, chadwicks, clayville, and other such places which are
>known as hillbilly central or cowshit heaven
I don't know if this is even a serious thread, but what the hell...
As I went to Binghsmton University, I know that Binghamton is the
"Carousel City". I have also heard Ithaca referred to as the "Little
Apple" because of the large number of boutiques and such.
Another one, which really isn't really upstate (unless you're from the
city and don't get out much) is Yonkers (the 5th largest city in New
York State), which is known as the "Terrace City". The west side of
the city facing the Palisades is sloped in a terrace-like way.
Incidentally, I took a drive to Rome one boring Sunday. I agree - It
was pretty disappointing.
-- Raph Copeland
r...@cloud9.net
Patrick A. Ferrel
: First off man, if you truly are base enough to start a reply by picking
: must be one anal dude.
gosh how silly of me to believe that one should make a conscious effort
to follow the rules of grammar does he write like that on paper or on a
word processor would he turn in a paper or send a letter a friend written
like that i happen to take great care to make sure my writing is as proper
as it can be when i participate in a serious discussion clarity is already
difficult on this media without writing like ee cummings.
Patrick A. Ferrel
: difficult on this media without writing like ee cummings.
On this MEDIUM that's supposed to say. Yes, I know media is plural.
John Fereira
In article <32a79816...@news1.radix.net> lu...@radix.net writes:
>
>If you hate it so much then leave! go to post toaties land (California
>- land of the fruits, nuts and flakes!) or elsewhere.
You've never actually been to California, have you?
John - 5th generation Native Californian
John Fereira
In article <32addcf4...@news.cloud9.net> r...@cloud9.net (Raphael Copeland) writes:
>
>I don't know if this is even a serious thread, but what the hell...
>
>As I went to Binghsmton University, I know that Binghamton is the
>"Carousel City". I have also heard Ithaca referred to as the "Little
>Apple" because of the large number of boutiques and such.
the Carousel Mall and the Dewitt mall also has a carousel in it.
I've seen an inordinate number of carousels in other upstate cites
as well.
Glenn Kuntz
fer...@isis.com (John Fereira) wrote:
>What is it about carousel's and upstate New York. Syracuse has
>the Carousel Mall and the Dewitt mall also has a carousel in it.
>I've seen an inordinate number of carousels in other upstate cites
>as well.
>
>--
>John Fereira
>fer...@isis.com
>Isis Distributed Systems - Ithaca, NY
They're part of Upstate NY's *CULTURE*! :-)
--
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ttmitchell
bill...@aol.com wrote:
>In article
><Pine.PMDF.3.91.9612040...@cnsvax.albany.edu>,
>et9...@cnsvax.albany.edu writes:
>> everyone with good sense must
>>admin the fact that much more crime takes place in cities than in rural
>>areas. Because of the low education rate and high poverty rate, cities
>>are much more suseptible to crimes that towns and villages.
>>
>>
>Actually, much more crime takes place in cities than rural areas because
>many more people live and work and visit cities than rural areas. Crime
>does of course track poverty, which in turn tracks low education rates,
>but that can be found in cities as well as in rural areas.
What's more, and less understandable to me, is that in the rural areas
most of the crime committed is by people who know their victims,
whereas in the cities crime is indiscriminate. So why would I feel
more comfortable that someone I know who doesn't like me has a gun
than someone I don't know having one, if that makes any sense?
--
Mitch
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Wowo this is a first, someone who is so anal they correct their own
grammatic errors.
Joe B.
On Fri, 06 Dec 1996 08:44:49 GMT, r...@cloud9.net (Raphael Copeland)
wrote:
[snipped]
>As I went to Binghsmton University, I know that Binghamton is the
>"Carousel City". I have also heard Ithaca referred to as the "Little
>Apple" because of the large number of boutiques and such.
>
>-- Raph Copeland
> r...@cloud9.net
Binghamton's nickname has always been "The Parlor City". The
"Carousel City" has only been used for the past few years.
Margaret M. Robinson
Glenn Kuntz <crok...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>fer...@isis.com (John Fereira) wrote:
>>What is it about carousel's and upstate New York. Syracuse has
>>the Carousel Mall and the Dewitt mall also has a carousel in it.
>>I've seen an inordinate number of carousels in other upstate cites
>>as well.
>>
>>--
>>John Fereira
>>fer...@isis.com
>>Isis Distributed Systems - Ithaca, NY
>They're part of Upstate NY's *CULTURE*! :-)
One of the best preserved historical carousels in Upstate New York is
the outdoor carousel at Recreation Park in Binghamton. The story I
heard when living there was it was donated by one of the local wealthy
families (something to do with Endicott-Johnson maybe? I can't
remember, someone from that area can comment, perhaps), and that one
of the conditions on which it was donated to the City was that
admission would thereafter be *free*, forever. At any rate, it still
is, unlike the carousels here in Syracuse at the malls. Besides, it's
got much better atmosphere! The only other outdoor carousel I know of
still in operation in a Northeast city is the one in downtown
Hartford, Connecticut. Are there others?
Margaret
Patrick A. Ferrel
: Wowo this is a first, someone who is so anal they correct their own
: grammatic errors.
Boy, you just love that word, don't you? Let me guess. Your mommy taught
you a new word and now you want to impress everyone with your extensive
vocabulary.
I can't believe I'm being flamed by a guy with an eight-line sig. What a
wanker.