Roman and Greek place names in upstate
Paul R. Davis
how about the following: Syracuse, Ithaca, Rome, Utica, Troy? Any
others?
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Dick Casaly
of the Trojan Horse.
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Paul R. Davis wrote in message <3693F3AE...@traknet.com>...
Greg H.
: I live in Camillus. I've yet to find out for whom we were named. But
: how about the following: Syracuse, Ithaca, Rome, Utica, Troy? Any
: others?
Is there any history behind the city of Syracuse in Italy for which
I assume Syracuse, NY is named? Anyone? Also, is the Italian pronunciation
"sir-a-COOS-e"?
Greg H.
Brad Miller
In article <3693F3AE...@traknet.com>, prd...@traknet.com says...
>
>I live in Camillus. I've yet to find out for whom we were named. But
>how about the following: Syracuse, Ithaca, Rome, Utica, Troy? Any
>others?
>
I would think that Rome, NY was named for Rome, Italy.. but maybe not..
Hope it wasn't named for Jim Rome ;)
Brad
Allegra Boverman
: And others of course. notice though, if you check out a map, how they're all
: in basically one corridor - a swatch of land from almost near lake ontario
: to almost near binghamton and cutting into the finger lakes area up to about
: chenango county. interesting. i guess that leader or whoever, was assigned
: that land to name some towns ... and they stuck there.:)
(smacking head)
DOH. i meant to say:
the land with those names stretches from about the middle of the finger lakes
area to about up to chenango county.
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Allegra Boverman
: I live in Camillus. I've yet to find out for whom we were named. But
: how about the following: Syracuse, Ithaca, Rome, Utica, Troy? Any
: others?
there are tons, i think some long-ago leader in ny state chose to name those
areas in central new york after greek and roman places and people, but i
forget why. i will try to remember and post it. obviously some are named for
great roman leaders, writers, people, a few places,
even some not so great, but rather, just notable or
notorious.
other towns off the top of my head:
cincinnatus
ovid
homer
virgil
manlius
marcellus
Hector
Romulus
Scipio Center
Venice Center
Marathon
Pompey
Fabius
Cato
Euclid
Cicero
Hannibal
And others of course. notice though, if you check out a map, how they're all
in basically one corridor - a swatch of land from almost near lake ontario
to almost near binghamton and cutting into the finger lakes area up to about
chenango county. interesting. i guess that leader or whoever, was assigned
that land to name some towns ... and they stuck there.:)
it's also interesting, btw, to think of the personality of each area. for
example, ovid and that area reminds me strongly of amish/mennonite folks and
the land reflects it in some ways. the personality of the land and the way
it's used changes a bit on the way along 1-81 even. but maybe it's just me
knowing what's there and what kind of people live there too. some parts of
the finger lakes have certain auras that are unlike other parts of the
lakes, or other places that have similar farm setups.
buffalo bob
translation into the name 'Troy' was eronious. The horse story is more
apocryphal than mythical. It probably happened, but when or where is
indefinate. IIRC The surveyor who laid out central New York towns after the
revolution was a Greek fan and a patriot, therefor you get Ithaca, Syracuse,
Homer, Romulas, and Ullyses Town names as well as LaFayette (twice) Pulaski,
and Steuben. When the patriot soldiers were pensioned off with land grants,
they met the natives and used the local names for places Cayuga, Onondaga,
Cayuta, Keuka, Cannassuraga, etc. Then the big egos filled in the rest.
(Endicott, Johnson City, MacLain, Watkins Glen, Corning, Hornell, etc.)
Evolution.
Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
BB-
In article <770sd6$1ff$1...@news.monmouth.com>, rca...@albany.net says...
>
>Troy is named for the mythical city of the Illiad that was conqured because
>of the Trojan Horse.
>
>Dick Casaly
>
>Paul R. Davis wrote in message <3693F3AE...@traknet.com>...
>>I live in Camillus. I've yet to find out for whom we were named. But
>>how about the following: Syracuse, Ithaca, Rome, Utica, Troy? Any
>>others?
>>
>>
buffalo bob
place-name in upstate? ... Rich! as in Richland , Richford, Richmond, Rich
Hill, Richmondville, etc. And everyone thought Richie Rich was a mythilogical
chartacter.
BB-
In article <771kuh$b8r$1...@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, bobs...@earthlink.net
says...
Greg H.
: Homer, Romulas, and Ullyses Town names as well as LaFayette (twice) Pulaski,
: and Steuben. When the patriot soldiers were pensioned off with land grants,
Too bad the pronunciations of these two are wrong. The "i" is supposed
to sound like "ee" rather than "eye" in Pulaski, and Steuben is "STOY-bin",
not "STEW-ben". But I guess you have to go with the flow.
Greg H.
Chet Seidel
It ain't much more than a wide spot in the road but if you are in
Vienna, NY, make sure you pronounce it VEYE-enna or they will know you
are a city slicker.
Glenn Kuntz
> I live in Camillus. I've yet to find out for whom we were named. But
> how about the following: Syracuse, Ithaca, Rome, Utica, Troy? Any
> others?
The one that always gets me is Babcock Hovey (near Ovid.) I get the
"Babcock" part, but what the heck is a hovey?
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Allegra Boverman
: Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
and what about Busti - small place just south of Jamestown.
that one cracks me up and it's just WRONG for a name of a
village/town/hamlet. ;P
Allegra Boverman
: Paul R. Davis wrote:
: > I live in Camillus. I've yet to find out for whom we were named. But
: > how about the following: Syracuse, Ithaca, Rome, Utica, Troy? Any
: > others?
: The one that always gets me is Babcock Hovey (near Ovid.) I get the
: "Babcock" part, but what the heck is a hovey?
heh. well i do know someone from horseheads whose last name is hovey ....
maybe it's an ancestor? :)
Alan H. Martin
> Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
Or Chili ("Chi-lye"?)?
/AHM
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Michael David Jones
>buffalo bob wrote:
>> Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
>Or Chili ("Chi-lye"?)?
And Cairo (KAY-row).
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Alan H. Martin
> Glenn Kuntz <crok...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> : Paul R. Davis wrote:
> : > I live in Camillus. I've yet to find out for whom we were named. But
> : > how about the following: Syracuse, Ithaca, Rome, Utica, Troy? Any
> : > others?
>
> : The one that always gets me is Babcock Hovey (near Ovid.) I get the
> : "Babcock" part, but what the heck is a hovey?
>
> heh. well i do know someone from horseheads whose last name is hovey ....
> maybe it's an ancestor? :)
Looks like the name is only applied to a Scout camp, named after the donors,
Burton Babcock and Harry Hovey.
http://205.232.76.174/BSAFingerlakes/camping/hovey.html#history
Dick Casaly
for maple syrup?
Michael David Jones wrote in message <772l69$1i...@alumni.rpi.edu>...
Michael David Jones
>Wasn't "Kay-row" a sugar syrup that they used to sell as a cheap substitute
>for maple syrup?
Nah, down South we used corn syrup all the time. No maples down there.
Can't make a real pecan pie without it.
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Paula23
> Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
During the Revolutionary War, the Continental Army "disposed" of worn-out
horses there. Later settlers found the poor beasts' skulls.
Don't know about Mexico though...
Paula
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Mark Party
>buffalo bob <bobs...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>: Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
Horseheads' name is derived from the fact that as Indians re-inhabited the
area after General Sullivan's campaign to burn them out once and for all they
found the bleached bones of his army's slaughtered horses. They were killed
because they were no longer needed for transportation as the army was
returning to Tioga Point, where the waters of the Chemung and Susquehanna
meet, to stage the next leg of their journey down the river to Harrisburg.
As for Mexico, I have no idea.
Glenn Kuntz
> buffalo bob wrote:
>
> > Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
>
> Or Chili ("Chi-lye"?)?
> /AHM
> --
> Alan Howard Martin AMa...@MA.UltraNet.Com
Chili's easy - it's in the official town history available at the library
or historical society. It's named for a 19th century religious sect who
called themselves "Chilians" (chil´-ee-ans) who settled the area.
...Now why they called themselves Chilians, and why the town pronounces it
differently than the sect... (???)
James R. Stromski
: IIRC The surveyor who laid out central New York towns after the
: revolution was a Greek fan and a patriot, therefor you get Ithaca, Syracuse,
: Homer, Romulas, and Ullyses Town names as well as LaFayette (twice) Pulaski,
: and Steuben. When the patriot soldiers were pensioned off with land grants,
: they met the natives and used the local names for places Cayuga, Onondaga,
: Cayuta, Keuka, Cannassuraga, etc. Then the big egos filled in the rest.
: (Endicott, Johnson City, MacLain, Watkins Glen, Corning, Hornell, etc.)
Hmmm.... I'll buy the second two (War heroes and local natives), but
I'll have to argue against the surveying Greek fan. It's been awhile since
my Art History class, but try to bear with me. The art period which
encompasssed the Revolutionary War was called 'neoclassicism.' I found a
brief definition on the web:
neoclassicism A European style of the late eighteenth and early nineteenth
centuries. Its elegant, balanced works revived the order and harmony of
ancient Greek and Roman art. David and Canova are examples of
neoclassicists.
As you can see by the timeframe given, this movement was taking root in
Europe during the latter stages of the war. In the US, artists such as
Houdon, Rigaud, and Stuart were producing works at this time. By the the
time the war was over, the movement was in full stride. It was, then,
natural that when new towns, villages, and cities needed naming during
this expansion westward that the namers looked to ancient Greece and Rome
for their inspiration.
As another poster mentioned, the swath of NYS with these types of names
is fairly well defined. As westward expansion continued, neoclassicism
fell from favor and other sources for names were used. I'd almost bet that
all of the Greek/Roman names that were given were handed out within this
period of 'Greek Revival.'
jrs
P.S. Run a web search on Alta Vista. Use 'Greek Revival' as your search
phrase. You'll see a lot of home hits. Check them out, most were
built between 1820-1860. I believe that 'Greek Revival' is to
architecture what neoclassicism is to Art.
Paul R. Davis
know who these are named for?
Paul R. Davis
pronounciations, Avon is not pronounced like the comestics firm. It is
usually pronounced by locals as Ah-Von.
And, you can usually count on radio and TV people to frequently
mispronounce Onondaga. When I went to Onondaga Community College, we
frequently referred to it as "Auggie Doggie".
Paul R. Davis
Alan H. Martin
> Dick, I believe that was Kayro (w/o the W).
Karo, actually.
http://www.johnrausch.com/PuzzleWorld/karo.htm
Trudi Marrapodi
David Jones) wrote:
> "Alan H. Martin" <AMa...@MA.UltraNet.Com> writes:
> >buffalo bob wrote:
> >> Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
> >Or Chili ("Chi-lye"?)?
>
> And Cairo (KAY-row).
The one in Illinois is pronounced the same way. Just as there's a Lima,
Ohio, pronounced the same way as the bean--not the city. Seems like that's
pretty normal. Think of all the American cities with "French" names that
are pronounced in ways the French would never use (Detroit, Boise...).
Trudi
"I'm looking forward to a happy life with no stress"-Yevgeny Platov
Trudi Marrapodi
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> How about Greece, NY!!!
So named because it was founded near the time Greece won its independence.
Trudi Marrapodi
(Chet Seidel) wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:32:12 GMT,
> gregh@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Greg H.) wrote:
>
> >buffalo bob (bobs...@earthlink.net) wrote:
> >
> >: Homer, Romulas, and Ullyses Town names as well as LaFayette (twice)
Pulaski,
> >: and Steuben. When the patriot soldiers were pensioned off with land
grants,
> >
> > Too bad the pronunciations of these two are wrong. The "i" is supposed
> >to sound like "ee" rather than "eye" in Pulaski, and Steuben is "STOY-bin",
> >not "STEW-ben". But I guess you have to go with the flow.
I have always heard Steuben County pronounced "Stew-BEN." Emphasis on
second syllable.
> It ain't much more than a wide spot in the road but if you are in
> Vienna, NY, make sure you pronounce it VEYE-enna or they will know you
> are a city slicker.
Same thing in Charlotte near Rochester. They can always pick out the
newbies who don't know enough to call it "Shar-LOT." Or Nunda, which is
pronounced "Nun-DAY."
Every place has 'em. I grew up near Mentor, Ohio, and nobody pronounces it
"Men-TOR," we pronounce it "MEN-ner." No T at all. Chardon is "SHAR-don,"
and we don't find it the least bit amusing that there is a Chagrin Falls.
Of course, since moving to Binghamton I think I've finally learned how to
pronounce Apalachin. "Apple-LAKE-in." Right? ;-)
Dick Casaly
Trudi Marrapodi wrote in message ...
>are pronounced in ways the French would never use (Detroit, Boise...).
>
>Trudi
When I was young a half century ago (my God!), most people pronounced Saint
Louis 'Saint Louie' which was half French, but then everyone went and got
"educated" and decided that 'Saint Louie' sounded slangy, so now most people
say 'Saint Louis' which is not at all French.
Dick Casaly
Trudi Marrapodi
<prd...@traknet.com> wrote:
> Ah, I well remember Chili when I studied at Geneseo. Speaking of weird
> pronounciations, Avon is not pronounced like the comestics firm. It is
> usually pronounced by locals as Ah-Von.
While in Ohio, it's Avon Lake, just like the cosmetics.
> And, you can usually count on radio and TV people to frequently
> mispronounce Onondaga. When I went to Onondaga Community College, we
> frequently referred to it as "Auggie Doggie".
Reminds me of the Ganondagan site near Rochester. Looks a lot like
"Onondaga," but is pronounced "Guh-NON-duh-GAN." Don't ask me why. It's
like this secret code you have to learn. You never know how something is
pronounced in Upstate New York until you hear a native speak of it.
Then again, no one in Cleveland seems to agree on how to pronounce
"Cuyahoga." There is still the "KI-uh-HOE-ga" crowd vs. the KI-uh-HOG-ga"
crowd. Sort of like some people saying "CaribBEan" and others saying
"CaRIBbean."
Oh, just thought of another Greek town name, somewhere near Syracuse: Mycenae.
ForestFair
for sweetening in baking and candymaking.
FF
<prd...@traknet.com> wrote in Message-id: <369546A9...@traknet.com>
Dan Goodman
Trudi Marrapodi <trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com> wrote:
>In article <772l69$1i...@alumni.rpi.edu>, jon...@alumni.rpi.edu (Michael
>
>> "Alan H. Martin" <AMa...@MA.UltraNet.Com> writes:
>> >buffalo bob wrote:
>> >> Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
>> >Or Chili ("Chi-lye"?)?
>>
>> And Cairo (KAY-row).
>
>The one in Illinois is pronounced the same way. Just as there's a Lima,
>Ohio, pronounced the same way as the bean--not the city. Seems like that's
>are pronounced in ways the French would never use (Detroit, Boise...).
I wonder how Francophone immigrants pronounce them.
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buffalo bob <bobs...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<771kuh$b8r$1...@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> Anyone care to explain Horseheads? or Mexico?
>
During the Revolution, a Colonial force got massacred near Elmira by the
British and the bodies were left to rot.
Eventually, only the horses' skulls were left and the Indians called it the
Valley of the Horses' Heads.
Dan Case
Daniel Case
> > > Too bad the pronunciations of these two are wrong. The "i" is
supposed
> > >to sound like "ee" rather than "eye" in Pulaski, and Steuben is
"STOY-bin",
> > >not "STEW-ben". But I guess you have to go with the flow.
>
> > It ain't much more than a wide spot in the road but if you are in
> > Vienna, NY, make sure you pronounce it VEYE-enna or they will know you
> > are a city slicker.
>
> Same thing in Charlotte near Rochester. They can always pick out the
> newbies who don't know enough to call it "Shar-LOT." Or Nunda, which is
> pronounced "Nun-DAY."
>
Ditto the Monroe County town with the same name as the Latvian capital.
It's "RYE-guh."
And a nearby town with the same name as a Norwegian port is "Ber-jen"
> Every place has 'em. I grew up near Mentor, Ohio, and nobody pronounces
it
> "Men-TOR," we pronounce it "MEN-ner." No T at all.
That's only because that's how it comes out with a Cleveland accent.
Chardon is "SHAR-don,"
I hate to disillusion you, but, barely a year from living in the Western
Reserve, a year in which I visited the Geauga County seat a lot, it's being
called "CHAR-don"
> and we don't find it the least bit amusing that there is a Chagrin Falls.
>
Probably because, having lived there for six months, I learned how badly
everyone else wants to live there.
The story of how that quaint little village got that name is unclear. One
story has "Shaguinn" as the Indian name for the river; another has the
Indians or the French being chagrined to find the falls and see that the
river was pretty much useless for navigation.
The trickiest pronunciation in NE Ohio is Mantua Township in Portage
County. If you're a local or want to sound like one, it ends with a long
"a" like Nunda.
The biggest battle there was not phonological but orthographic. There is
actually a serious disagreement in LeRoy Township in Lake County as to
whether or not it's really "Leroy Township." The newcomers think that
sounds hicky; the oldtimers think the former is pretentious.
Since it was settled by residents of LeRoy, NY, I hold with the newcomers.
Dan Case
Daniel Case
Trudi Marrapodi <trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com> wrote in article
<trudiwantsnospam...@cci-209150250066.clarityconnect.net>...
> The one in Illinois is pronounced the same way. Just as there's a Lima,
> Ohio, pronounced the same way as the bean--not the city. Seems like
that's
> pretty normal. Think of all the American cities with "French" names that
> are pronounced in ways the French would never use (Detroit, Boise...).
>
Or rivers. I learned on my first trip to the Adirondacks it's the "OW
SAY-BILL" river and not the "oh saah-bl"
Dan Case
Daniel Case
Trudi Marrapodi <trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com> wrote in article
<trudiwantsnospam...@cci-209150250066.clarityconnect.net>...
> Then again, no one in Cleveland seems to agree on how to pronounce
> "Cuyahoga." There is still the "KI-uh-HOE-ga" crowd vs. the KI-uh-HOG-ga"
> crowd. Sort of like some people saying "CaribBEan" and others saying
> "CaRIBbean."
>
Thanks to the REM song, the former pronunciation is winning out.
Dan Case
RadioFlyr
> And, you can usually count on radio and TV people to frequently
> mispronounce Onondaga.
I remember a radio ad for some monster truck rally that could not have
been recorded around here:
(caps 'cause it was loud)
SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!
IN ONON-DAY-GA COUNTY!!!
It played several times an hour on local stations.
- RF
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<rca...@albany.net> wrote:
> Trudi Marrapodi wrote in message ...
> >In article <772l69$1i...@alumni.rpi.edu>, jon...@alumni.rpi.edu (Michael
> >pretty normal. Think of all the American cities with "French" names that
> >are pronounced in ways the French would never use (Detroit, Boise...).
> >
> >Trudi
>
>
> When I was young a half century ago (my God!), most people pronounced Saint
> Louis 'Saint Louie' which was half French, but then everyone went and got
> "educated" and decided that 'Saint Louie' sounded slangy, so now most people
> say 'Saint Louis' which is not at all French.
>
> Dick Casaly
When I was a kid 30 years ago we were still pronouncing it that way, but I
now notice the difference between the "slangy" way if prnouncing it and
the french version. Slang makes it sound like "LOO-ee" and the accent is
shifted to the second syllable with the french pronunciation ("Loo-EE").
Mark Party
>In article <36949da5.204222875@news-server>, Che...@twcny.x.rr.x.com
>(Chet Seidel) wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:32:12 GMT,
>> gregh@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Greg H.) wrote:
>>
>> >buffalo bob (bobs...@earthlink.net) wrote:
>> >
>> >: Homer, Romulas, and Ullyses Town names as well as LaFayette (twice)
>Pulaski,
>> >: and Steuben. When the patriot soldiers were pensioned off with land
>grants,
>> >
>> >to sound like "ee" rather than "eye" in Pulaski, and Steuben is "STOY-bin",
>> >not "STEW-ben". But I guess you have to go with the flow.
>
>second syllable.
>
>> Vienna, NY, make sure you pronounce it VEYE-enna or they will know you
>> are a city slicker.
>
>Same thing in Charlotte near Rochester. They can always pick out the
>newbies who don't know enough to call it "Shar-LOT." Or Nunda, which is
>pronounced "Nun-DAY."
>
>and we don't find it the least bit amusing that there is a Chagrin Falls.
>
>pronounce Apalachin. "Apple-LAKE-in." Right? ;-)
To get the right pronunciation of this one, you have to know the legend behind
it. It seems that many years ago, a foolish Indian was eating green apples in
the vicinity. He, of course, became ill soon thereafter and when he was asked
what the problem was, he replied "Ooooh!!.... Apple..achin' ". ;-)
Sherwood Harrington
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: You never know how something is
: pronounced in Upstate New York until you hear a native speak of it.
Right. Any guesses about how the "Berlin" in New Berlin is pronounced?
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Daniel Case (dan...@frontiernet.net) wrote:
: Trudi Marrapodi <trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com> wrote in article
: Dan Case
Don't you mean 'Ohio' by The Pretenders?
jrs
Mark Party
Baloney. It is basically as I posted yesterday.
http://www.stny.lrun.com/horseheads/hist.htm
It is also interesting to note that the Commander who dispatched Sullivan on
this basically genocidal campaign against the Iroquois Confederacy was none
other than George Washington.
The Dude
>Ah, I well remember Chili when I studied at Geneseo. Speaking of weird
>pronounciations, Avon is not pronounced like the comestics firm. It is
>usually pronounced by locals as Ah-Von.
Chili was a big one I hated in Rochester. That and Lima. Neither one was
said how I think it should be said. Of course, down here in the Baltimore
area, there's a city called Towson.
It's correctly said with a "tow" like in "towel" without the -el and
"sun". Sorta like "ouch" without the -ch. Man, it's hard to describe,
but everybody who reads it off the sign for the first time makes it sound
like "tow(truck)son".
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Daniel Case
James R. Stromski <jrst...@newstand.syr.edu> wrote in article
<36963...@news.syr.edu>...
That's called "My City was Gone" and it describes Cuyahoga Falls pretty
well.
I mean "Cuyahoga," the REM song about the river's burning from the "Lifes
Rich Paegant" album.
Dan Case
>
> jrs
>
>
Daniel Case
Sherwood Harrington <sher...@rahul.net> wrote in article
<775dpk$d4l$1...@samba.rahul.net>...
> Trudi Marrapodi (trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com) wrote:
> [clip]
>
> : You never know how something is
> : pronounced in Upstate New York until you hear a native speak of it.
>
> Right. Any guesses about how the "Berlin" in New Berlin is pronounced?
> --
My best friend from college is from Norwich; he says it as if both words
were one "Newberlin."
As an aside, and a revival of the confusing place-names thread, just how
many pairs of names are there in NYS where there is a both a town name and,
elsewhere in the state, a "New (same town name)"
Here's what occurred to me:
Berlin (Rensselaer County)
New Berlin (Chenango County)
Woodstock (Ulster)
New Woodstock (Madison)
Hamburg (Erie)
New Hamburg (Dutchess)
Windsor (Broome)
New Windsor (Orange)
Hyde Park (Dutchess)
New Hyde Park (Nassau)
Hampton (Suffolk)
New Hampton (Orange)
This, of course, leaves aside Newburgh, New Paltz, New City and of course
New York City.
Anybody know other ones?
Dan Case
Dick Casaly
Daniel Case wrote in message <01be3ba8$a44851a0$0f8c82d1@dancase>...
>elsewhere in the state, a "New (same town name)"
>
>Here's what occurred to me:
>
>Berlin (Rensselaer County)
>New Berlin (Chenango County)
>
>Woodstock (Ulster)
>New Woodstock (Madison)
>
>Hamburg (Erie)
>New Hamburg (Dutchess)
>
>Windsor (Broome)
>New Windsor (Orange)
>
>Hyde Park (Dutchess)
>New Hyde Park (Nassau)
>
>Hampton (Suffolk)
>New Hampton (Orange)
>
>This, of course, leaves aside Newburgh, New Paltz, New City and of course
>New York City.
>
>Anybody know other ones?
>
>Dan Case
Only the obvious, of course, York and.... well, you get it.
Dick Casaly
Julian Thomas
>Only the obvious, of course, York and.... well, you get it.
Then there's Aurora in Cayuga County, and East Aurora about 150 miles to
the west (S of Buffalo).
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Alan H. Martin
> As an aside, and a revival of the confusing place-names thread, just how
> many pairs of names are there in NYS where there is a both a town name and,
> elsewhere in the state, a "New (same town name)"
Everyone's been through East Greenbush on I-90, but I'm still waiting to hear
someone else admit to having been to Greenbush.
Michael David Jones
>> As an aside, and a revival of the confusing place-names thread, just how
>> many pairs of names are there in NYS where there is a both a town name and,
>> elsewhere in the state, a "New (same town name)"
>Everyone's been through East Greenbush on I-90, but I'm still waiting to hear
>someone else admit to having been to Greenbush.
There's an East Greenbush and a North Greenbush, but no South, West,
or just plain Greenbush. No one I know knows why.
Mike Jones | jon...@rpi.edu
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Dick Casaly
Michael David Jones wrote in message <778r4r$3q...@alumni.rpi.edu>...
>"Alan H. Martin" <AMa...@MA.UltraNet.Com> writes:
>>Daniel Case wrote:
>>> As an aside, and a revival of the confusing place-names thread, just how
>>> many pairs of names are there in NYS where there is a both a town name
and,
>>> elsewhere in the state, a "New (same town name)"
>>Everyone's been through East Greenbush on I-90, but I'm still waiting to
hear
>>someone else admit to having been to Greenbush.
>
>There's an East Greenbush and a North Greenbush, but no South, West,
>or just plain Greenbush. No one I know knows why.
>
> Mike Jones | jon...@rpi.edu
I am just speculating, but as East Greenbush is east of the city of
Rensselaer and North Greenbush is north of it, perhaps Rensselaer was once
known as Greenbush.
Dick Casaly
Todd or Dawn Engel
anytime soon.
--
Todd, Dawn or Geoffrey Engel
Dick Casaly
away now in Troy, and I never heard of it. Are you sure that you are not
referring to Greenfield or Greenfield Center, or even to Greenwich, which is
really not even in the same county but somehow seem to have an association
with Saratoga Springs.
Dick Casaly
Todd or Dawn Engel wrote in message <3697c...@news.a-znet.com>...
Alan H. Martin
>Michael David Jones wrote in message <778r4r$3q...@alumni.rpi.edu>...
>>"Alan H. Martin" <AMa...@MA.UltraNet.Com> writes:
>>>Everyone's been through East Greenbush on I-90, but I'm still waiting to
>>>hear someone else admit to having been to Greenbush.
>>
>>There's an East Greenbush and a North Greenbush, but no South, West,
>>or just plain Greenbush. No one I know knows why.
>
>Rensselaer and North Greenbush is north of it, perhaps Rensselaer was once
>known as Greenbush.
It's a village south of Cobleskill, uphill of the reservoirs:
http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/share?s005a4r04d0lmjzx
It was once big enough to have a church (nothing but a cleared lot, now), but
I don't think there's anything but houses now.
Things like this make me wonder whether sometime in the 1800's the state
started requiring that all village names be unique. If so, some live villages
with duplicated names would have had to pick new names. But I just don't
know.
Paula23
> I am just speculating, but as East Greenbush is east of the city of
> Rensselaer and North Greenbush is north of it, perhaps Rensselaer was
once
> known as Greenbush.
>
I seem to recall reading that Rensselaer was once called Bath.
Paula
paula2...@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/paula23/katerit.htm
Robert Plante
called East Troy. BTW, Watervliet is a redundant name. "Vliet" is Dutch for
"stream."
More Dutch words you'll find in UNY place names:
wyck: twon, district, neighborhood
kil or kill: creek
clove or kloof: gap, ravine, mountain pass, gulley
bush: woods
greene: pine
hook: point (does Kinderhook=Children's Point?)
rack: reach, straight stretch of river
dael or dahl: valley, dale
dorp: village
boght: river bend
vly: valley, marshy land
berg: mountain
creupel bosch: cripple bush, stunted trees or thicket
Poestenkill: cowherd creek
In article <01be3c9c$b52ad340$91fa...@sprynet.com>, "Paula23"
<pau...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>> I am just speculating, but as East Greenbush is east of the city of
>> Rensselaer and North Greenbush is north of it, perhaps Rensselaer was
>>once known as Greenbush.
>
Rob W
because they were from Troy.
Utica was named for an ancient African city, Utica.
From Encyclopedia.com:
ancient N African city, NW of Carthage. Supposedly
founded by Phoenicians from TYRE (c.1100 B.C.), it
joined Rome against CARTHAGE in the Third PUNIC
WAR. Later it was the capital of the Roman province of
Africa. It was destroyed by the Arabs A.D. c.700.
--
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Dick Casaly <rca...@albany.net> wrote in message
news:770sd6$1ff$1...@news.monmouth.com...
|Troy is named for the mythical city of the Illiad that was conqured because
|of the Trojan Horse.
|
|Dick Casaly
|
|Paul R. Davis wrote in message <3693F3AE...@traknet.com>...
|>I live in Camillus. I've yet to find out for whom we were named. But
|>how about the following: Syracuse, Ithaca, Rome, Utica, Troy? Any
|>others?
|>
|>
|>--
|>Beware the lollipop of mediocrity.
|>Lick it once and you will suck forever.
|>
|> Paul R. Davis
|> Camillus, NY
|> prd...@traknet.com
|
|
Michael David Jones
>Where is it? I used to live near Saratoga Springs, and I am not that far
>away now in Troy, and I never heard of it. Are you sure that you are not
>referring to Greenfield or Greenfield Center, or even to Greenwich, which is
>really not even in the same county but somehow seem to have an association
>with Saratoga Springs.
I don't know where it is, either, and I live in Saratoga County now.
BTW, Greenwich is GREEN-witch, not GREN-ich like in Connecticut.
>Dick Casaly
>Todd or Dawn Engel wrote in message <3697c...@news.a-znet.com>...
>>Greenbush is outside Saratoga Springs. Been there, done it, not going back
>>anytime soon.
>>
>>--
>>Todd, Dawn or Geoffrey Engel
>>
Mike Jones | jon...@rpi.edu
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Doug Smith
Norwich is on Long Island!
Daniel Case wrote:
> Sherwood Harrington <sher...@rahul.net> wrote in article
> <775dpk$d4l$1...@samba.rahul.net>...
> > Trudi Marrapodi (trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com) wrote:
> > [clip]
> >
> > : You never know how something is
> > : pronounced in Upstate New York until you hear a native speak of it.
> >
> > Right. Any guesses about how the "Berlin" in New Berlin is pronounced?
> > --
>
> My best friend from college is from Norwich; he says it as if both words
> were one "Newberlin."
>
> As an aside, and a revival of the confusing place-names thread, just how
> many pairs of names are there in NYS where there is a both a town name and,
> elsewhere in the state, a "New (same town name)"
>
rasmith
> Things like this make me wonder whether sometime in the 1800's the state
> started requiring that all village names be unique. If so, some live villages
> with duplicated names would have had to pick new names. But I just don't
> know.
I don't think it was the State. I think it was the US as the mail
delivery system
gained momentum.
Kinda hard to route mail in NYC when there are two towns with the same
name Upstate.
For example, Riverside (Warren County) became Riparius. The story was
that that was because there was a Riverside out in the Western part of
the state.
Old records show my Great Grandfather's address as: Seymour Armstrong,
Riverside,
Warren County, New York. I guess keeping the county as part of the
address was too much of a problem.
Richard
Dick Casaly
rasmith wrote in message <369A15...@borg.com>...
That obviously dates from the days when places and people where known by
their names, not by numbers as they are today.
Dick Casaly
Daniel Case
Alan H. Martin <AMa...@MA.UltraNet.Com> wrote in article
<3698C129...@MA.UltraNet.Com>...
> Things like this make me wonder whether sometime in the 1800's the state
> started requiring that all village names be unique. If so, some live
villages
> with duplicated names would have had to pick new names. But I just don't
> know.
>
It wasn't the state; it was the Post Office (as it was then known). No two
places in the same state can have the same name if they want to both
receive mail.
For example, the Route 9W hamlet of Middle Hope in the Town of Newburgh was
renamed. It used to be Middletown, but another village (now a city) in
Orange County had that name, so they sat down and changed it (although no
one can yet agree whether it's one word or two).
Chester Township, Ohio, receives its mail as Chesterland, ZIP 44026, since
the 1920s to avoid confusion with another Chester in the southern part of
the state.
Dan Case
Daniel Case
rasmith <ras...@borg.com> wrote in article <369A15...@borg.com>...
> For example, Riverside (Warren County) became Riparius. The story was
> that that was because there was a Riverside out in the Western part of
> the state.
>
It's a small village near Corning.
Dan Case
Daniel Case
Robert Plante <rtpl...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<77amrj$4...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> Never heard the Bath name, but it WAS called Greenbush. Watervliet was
> called East Troy. BTW, Watervliet is a redundant name. "Vliet" is Dutch
for
> "stream."
> More Dutch words you'll find in UNY place names:
Primarily in the Hudson Valley. My experience is that they tend to peter
out to the west or the east (the only really Dutch name in Sullivan County,
for instance, is DeBruce, from the Dutch "DeBruis."
> wyck: twon, district, neighborhood
> kil or kill: creek
> clove or kloof: gap, ravine, mountain pass, gulley
> bush: woods
> greene: pine
Is this where the county gets its name?
> hook: point (does Kinderhook=Children's Point?)
> rack: reach, straight stretch of river
> dael or dahl: valley, dale
> dorp: village
> boght: river bend
> vly: valley, marshy land
Making "Vly Mountain" something of a contradiction (It's named, I think,
for nearby Vly Creek)
Dan Case
Joel
>It wasn't the state; it was the Post Office (as it was then known). No two
>places in the same state can have the same name if they want to both
>receive mail.
>
Just right. It would have been in the 1840s, I think. I once lived in Mt.
Vision, which had originally been Jacksonville. There was (and still is) a
Jacksonville, over by Ithaca. When my Jacksonville got big enough to
warrant having a P.O., they called it "Jacksonville, Mt. Vision P.O.", and
the Jacksonville withered away.
Joel Shimberg
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You get it from your kids.
Trudi Marrapodi
<dan...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
[snip]
> Chester Township, Ohio, receives its mail as Chesterland, ZIP 44026, since
> the 1920s to avoid confusion with another Chester in the southern part of
> the state.
>
> Dan Case
I always thought it was actually Chesterland. Maybe that was just the
common name for the area?
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Daniel Case
Trudi Marrapodi <trudiwan...@clarityconnect.com> wrote in article
<trudiwantsnospam...@cci-209150250070.clarityconnect.net>...
> > Chester Township, Ohio, receives its mail as Chesterland, ZIP 44026,
since
> > the 1920s to avoid confusion with another Chester in the southern part
of
> > the state.
> >
> > Dan Case
>
> I always thought it was actually Chesterland. Maybe that was just the
> common name for the area?
> --
It never was. It was a Chamber of Commerce idea when the post office told
them to come up with the name (actually, they had dibs on "Chester" but
gave it up).
Dan Case