Police run over, and kill, 19 year old man in Cicero, New York.
Woodswun
>
>When investigated by other police however, that showed up on the
>scene, the other police officers agree that the young man should not
>have been drinking. And technically speaking, according to the
>officers, those posted speed limits don't really apply to police
>officers on patrol. The officer has not been charged with any
>violations, of any sort.
I do not believe that is the case unless the police officers are operating as
an emergency vehicle - with all their lights on and their sirens blaring.
My understanding is that if that is not the case, they are expected to obey
all of the same traffic laws, including speed limits, stop signs, and traffic
control devices (traffic lights).
They should be ticketed if they were going faster than the speed limit, the
same as anyone else in the same situation - no special treatment.
Woods
Tom Hand
"Martin Harris" <mlha...@removespamfromhere.0RG> wrote in message
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> Police run over, and kill, 19 year old man in Cicero, New York.
>
> It seems to have happened, last week, in a residential area. The 19
> year old man, that was killed, was drinking right before it happened.
> The young man walked into the street and was run over by the police
> officer on patrol. The kid got MASHED BUT GOOD!
>
> The police blame the young man for having been drinking and being too
> young to drink anyhow.
>
> It seems like all the people, young and old alike, in the area, claim
> that the police always drive too fast through these residential areas.
> Many people say there have been far too many close calls
> between patrol cars, that move along at a brisk clip, and kids on
> bicycles.
>
> When investigated by other police however, that showed up on the
> scene, the other police officers agree that the young man should not
> have been drinking. And technically speaking, according to the
> officers, those posted speed limits don't really apply to police
> officers on patrol. The officer has not been charged with any
> violations, of any sort.
I don't think you'll find tickets are often issued when a pedestrian walks
in front of a car no matter who was driving. I don't think there is any
reliable way to determine if the car was speeding. The old movies would
have the cops out there measuring skid marks, but in real life that's shakey
evidence at best. The condition of they body may give some clue as to
weather the impact took place at 60 miles an hour or 30, but I doubt that a
lesser difference in speed could be determined accurately.
The survivors of the victim will probably be able to collect something if
they sue, but it will be a lot less than it would have had he been sober.
K. D.
"Woodswun" <wood...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> I do not believe that is the case unless the police officers are operating
as
> an emergency vehicle - with all their lights on and their sirens blaring.
> My understanding is that if that is not the case, they are expected to
obey
> all of the same traffic laws, including speed limits, stop signs, and
traffic
> control devices (traffic lights).
>
accountable under the law as a regular citizen would have been.
-KD
Whitelightning
Tom Hand <troy...@altavista.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Martin Harris" <mlha...@removespamfromhere.0RG> wrote in message
> news:r2q6cuke58sto2li1...@4ax.com...
> > Police run over, and kill, 19 year old man in Cicero, New York.
> >
> > It seems to have happened, last week, in a residential area. The 19
> > year old man, that was killed, was drinking right before it happened.
> > The young man walked into the street and was run over by the police
> > officer on patrol. The kid got MASHED BUT GOOD!
> >
> > The police blame the young man for having been drinking and being too
> > young to drink anyhow.
> >
> > It seems like all the people, young and old alike, in the area, claim
> > that the police always drive too fast through these residential areas.
> > Many people say there have been far too many close calls
> > between patrol cars, that move along at a brisk clip, and kids on
> > bicycles.
> >
> > When investigated by other police however, that showed up on the
> > scene, the other police officers agree that the young man should not
> > have been drinking. And technically speaking, according to the
> > officers, those posted speed limits don't really apply to police
> > officers on patrol. The officer has not been charged with any
> > violations, of any sort.
>
reads like a newspaper account, yet no by line. Me thinks a troll, perhaps
with a personal stake.
Whitelightning
larsso
Cicero was "Cicero seeks legislation to get full-time police "
http://www.syracuse.com/news/poststandard/index.ssf?archive
Death of Clay man hit by police car probed
April 18, 2002
By Sterling A. Gray Jr.
Staff writer
Clay police and Onondaga County Sheriff's deputies are investigating the
death of a 19-year-old man who was hit by a Clay police car early Wednesday
morning.
Robert "Bobby" Snedden of 8025 Bamm Hollow Road, Clay, was hit less than a
quarter-mile from his house. He died at University Hospital Wednesday
morning, the hospital said. Snedden was crossing Stearns Road at Amalfi
Drive about 12:40 a.m. when the squad car driven by Clay police Officer Mark
Hamill hit him, Clay Commissioner Owen Honors said.
Snedden was with some friends at a house at 8079 Stearns Road, near Amalfi
Drive, Honors said. Witnesses to the crash say Snedden had begun to walk
home when the crash took place.
The police officer was driving north on Stearns Road on the way to a
complaint, Honors said. Hamill was driving between 30 mph and 35 mph and
didn't have his emergency lights flashing or sirens on, Honors said. Honors
did not know to what complaint Hamill was responding.
Honors and witnesses said Snedden was in the road when the crash happened.
Honors said witnesses reported Snedden had been drinking alcohol before the
crash.
The Onondaga County Medical Examiner's office said it will release results
of Snedden's autopsy today.
Snedden hit the driver's side of the squad car, cracked the windshield and
damaged the front end. Witnesses said Snedden was thrown about 50 feet from
the impact.
The accident is being investigated by the Clay police, but Onondaga County
Sheriff's Deputies Accident Investigation Team reconstructed the scene to
determine how the accident happened, Honors said.
It will take a few weeks for the deputies to complete their investigation,
said Sgt. John D'Eredita, sheriff's department spokesman.
"So far, we've found no negligence on (Hamill's) part," Honors said. "It was
a bad accident. It could've happened to anyone driving down the road at that
time."
Hamill has been a officer with Clay for two years, Honors said. Hamill has
not been reprimanded by the department for this incident, Honors said.
Hamill has taken a few days off from work after the accident, Honors said.
Hamill has not had any driving citations issued by Clay police since he has
worked for the department, Honors said. The department does a complete
background check of each officer before they are hired, Honors said. The
department also checks the driving records of all police officers once a
year, for insurance purposes, Honors said.
One of Snedden's prized possessions was his black Honda Civic EX, said Jill
Edwards, 19, who said she was Snedden's girlfriend for two years. Snedden
had invested hundreds of hours and dollars into adding new rims, tinted
windows and a state-of-the-art stereo system.
Wednesday, friends who had gathered in front of 8079 Stearns Road, placed
long-stemmed roses on the windshield of his car, where it was parked.
"He loved that car," Edwards said. "He was supposed to put the stereo in
this weekend."
Snedden never wanted to stay indoors, Edwards said. If there was even a
suggestion of going out and dancing, or snowboarding, two of his favorite
activities, Snedden was all for it.
Snedden had worked at Uncle Chubby's restaurant on Caughdenoy Roa, but had
recently begun working at Sorrentino's Brooklyn Pizza in New Country Plaza
on Route 31 in Cicero, said Rob Sorrentino, owner of the restaurant. Snedden
was one of his best employees, and he had already talked about making him an
assistant manager of the shop.
"He was always smiling and chipper," Sorrentino said.
© 2002 The Post-Standard. Used with permission.
Trudi Marrapodi
<kmdk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
True. The "brotherhood of the police force" would protect him from that.
*sigh* I don't mean to knock cops or firefighters in the wake of Sept. 11,
but it is my understanding that to some extent they are protected from
some of the consequences of their traffic misdeeds by the "brotherhood."
And I think that's just plain wrong.
This driver would probably not be ticketed regardless, simply because the
victim appears to have stepped out in front of the car. The driver who hit
the young Texas woman here on the Vestal Parkway recently was not ticketed
either, and the report was that the victim stepped into the path of her
car from the median.
--
Trudi
adding the question "What do you mean?" to every post, just in case...
Chet Seidel
wrote:
>Here is the only story like this in the real news: The only story from
>Cicero was "Cicero seeks legislation to get full-time police "
>
>http://www.syracuse.com/news/poststandard/index.ssf?archive
>
>
>Death of Clay man hit by police car probed
>
>
>April 18, 2002
>
>By Sterling A. Gray Jr.
>Staff writer
>
>Clay police and Onondaga County Sheriff's deputies are investigating the
>death of a 19-year-old man who was hit by a Clay police car early Wednesday
>morning.
>
>Robert "Bobby" Snedden of 8025 Bamm Hollow Road, Clay, was hit less than a
>quarter-mile from his house. He died at University Hospital Wednesday
>morning, the hospital said. Snedden was crossing Stearns Road at Amalfi
>Drive about 12:40 a.m. when the squad car driven by Clay police Officer Mark
>Hamill hit him, Clay Commissioner Owen Honors said.
More
http://www.syracuse.com/news/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/news-0/101920791944380.xml
"A motorcyclist who was driving along Stearns Road just before a Clay
police car struck a 19-year-old man Wednesday told police that he had
swerved to avoid the man, who he said was taunting him in the road. "
The deceased had a BAL of 0.18. Just another case of evolution at
work.
JmG
>|Honors and witnesses said Snedden was in the road when the crash happened.
>|Honors said witnesses reported Snedden had been drinking alcohol before the
>|crash.
Whether or not this victim was drinking has no bearing whatsoever on the
event, other than to demonize the victim and move responsibility away from the
driver.
>|Snedden hit the driver's side of the squad car, cracked the windshield and
>|damaged the front end. Witnesses said Snedden was thrown about 50 feet from
>|the impact.
Sorry Tom, that's a vehicle moving a lot faster than 30-35 mph.
J
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Tom Hand
"JmG" <jmgreenATbestweb.net> wrote in message
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I'd have to go back to my old college physics books to know for sure, but I
think a 3000 - 4000 pound object traveling at 30 mph probably has enough
kinetic energy to throw a 200 pound object 50 feet.
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>
>>|Snedden hit the driver's side of the squad car, cracked the windshield and
>>|damaged the front end. Witnesses said Snedden was thrown about 50 feet from
>>|the impact.
>
>Sorry Tom, that's a vehicle moving a lot faster than 30-35 mph.
Really? How can you determine that with the very sketchy information
mentioned in the paper? [without even taking into account the
accuracy of most newspaper reports]
How far would I be thrown if I was hit by my car going 35?
Jim
Dave Hitt
(Trudi Marrapodi) wrote:
>True. The "brotherhood of the police force" would protect him from that.
>*sigh* I don't mean to knock cops or firefighters in the wake of Sept. 11,
>but it is my understanding that to some extent they are protected from
>some of the consequences of their traffic misdeeds by the "brotherhood."
>And I think that's just plain wrong.
It's not just the brotherhood, it's society in general. Consider what
happened with Rodney King - the cops were shown beating the shit out
of him, and they were given a free walk. How about Diallo? These
cowboy cops had a history of shooting perps, and yet no one served a
minute of time. They would have done more time if they had killed a
dog in that manner. And my favorite example is Dorismond, who was
murdered in cold blood by NYC cops, and they, of course, walked away
unscathed.
The media is complicit too. How many of you have even heard of
Dorismond? It was largely ignored, although what happened was even
more egregious than the Diallo murder.
http://www.igc.org/igc/pn/hl/100040712273/hl12.html
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/mar2000/nyc-m22.pdf
>
>This driver would probably not be ticketed regardless, simply because the
>victim appears to have stepped out in front of the car. The driver who hit
>the young Texas woman here on the Vestal Parkway recently was not ticketed
>either, and the report was that the victim stepped into the path of her
>car from the median.
----
Should Congress Kill the Computer Industry?
http://www.davehitt.com/march02/fritz.html
Woodswun
So, we can assume the police officer didn't even brake?!? (And I believe that
you are referring to 2 solid objects, not 2 that will both "crunch" on
impact).
Woods
Tom Hand
Well, even with the crunch factored in that's a pretty big differential in
mass. As for braking, if a pedestrian steps into the road right in front
of you, you usually won't have time to hit the brakes before you hit him
regardless of how good your reflexes are. It's like the old, "How fast does
the train have to go to catch up," brainteaser. Like the train, you are
already there.
Rob G.
news:df48cuk09uj7nrq6l...@4ax.com...
>
> >|Honors and witnesses said Snedden was in the road when the crash
happened.
> >|Honors said witnesses reported Snedden had been drinking alcohol before
the
> >|crash.
>
> Whether or not this victim was drinking has no bearing whatsoever on the
> event, other than to demonize the victim and move responsibility away from
the
> driver.
>
might feel differently...
I'm not cutting the cops any slack whatsoever, but we've only been given one
side of the story here. We've read a newspaper article with an obvious slant
against the cops, and barely mentioned is another motorist who reports the
victim was harassing him in the street. (Gee, could such verbal harassment
by a drunk equal rape?)
Tell me, who would be responsible if I stepped right out in front of you
while you were driving? Me, that's who. If I gave you no time to stop, you
could not be held responsible for hitting me. Until we have more facts in
this case, it's far too early to pass judgement. Not like our judgements
mean anything, as none of us is sitting on a jury right now.
> >|Snedden hit the driver's side of the squad car, cracked the windshield
and
> >|damaged the front end. Witnesses said Snedden was thrown about 50 feet
from
> >|the impact.
>
> Sorry Tom, that's a vehicle moving a lot faster than 30-35 mph.
>
Not quite. It all depends on the size of the victim and the size of the car.
A small child can easily sail half that distance being tossed over the
handlebars of a bike travelling only 15 miles per hour. If the victim were
of slight build, a slow moving car could easily send him flying that far.
--
Rob G.
Club Treasurer
Kiwanis Club of Palmyra-Macedon
JmG
>|Really? How can you determine that with the very sketchy information
>|mentioned in the paper? [without even taking into account the
>|accuracy of most newspaper reports]
Sketchy was that the cop said he was going 30-35 mph and the victim was thrown
about 50 feet. I'm sure there's more, but for fun, that's enough information.
Someone, somewhere, will do a search of a police database that can corroborate
or refute.
>|How far would I be thrown if I was hit by my car going 35?
heh.
Let's Go Islanders!
news:r2q6cuke58sto2li1...@4ax.com...
> Police run over, and kill, 19 year old man in Cicero, New York.
>
> It seems to have happened, last week, in a residential area. The 19
> year old man, that was killed, was drinking right before it happened.
> The young man walked into the street and was run over by the police
> officer on patrol. The kid got MASHED BUT GOOD!
>
> The police blame the young man for having been drinking and being too
> young to drink anyhow.
>
> It seems like all the people, young and old alike, in the area, claim
> that the police always drive too fast through these residential areas.
> Many people say there have been far too many close calls
> between patrol cars, that move along at a brisk clip, and kids on
> bicycles.
>
> When investigated by other police however, that showed up on the
> scene, the other police officers agree that the young man should not
> have been drinking. And technically speaking, according to the
> officers, those posted speed limits don't really apply to police
> officers on patrol. The officer has not been charged with any
> violations, of any sort.
>
On a more personal note, one of my friends that rents the house I live in
here in Oswego with me, actually knew the man who was killed. They were
former co-workers, so it came as a bit of a shock. Personally, I never met
the guy myself, but anytime a young adult passes on, it is tragic. As for
the road that the accident had occured on, Stearns Rd., it is your typical
straight, long, 2 lane road with a dividing yellow line. It is posted as 35
MPH (give or take 5 MPH, I haven't been on that road since November), and it
is often when caps whip along on that road at 50 some-odd miles per hour.
--
Douglas Kerr
Oswego, NY
Let's Go ISLANDERS!!!