KMart Closing Some Upstate Stores
Fun With Sarge
Hard to believe the Kingston store survived the cut. Very few cars in
parking lot for months now.
scr
Are there Target stores in NY? They're the best competition amongst
the low-cost department stores.
scr
Fun With Sarge
"scr" <stuart...@mac.com> wrote in message
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We've got one - doesn't impress me. I've gone in there comparison shopping
several times and never bought anything there yet.
Woodswun
Target and Walmart are both in the Saratoga Kmart's shopping area.
Woods
KD
"scr" <stuart...@mac.com> wrote in message
> Are there Target stores in NY? They're the best competition amongst
> the low-cost department stores.
IMO, Target sucks. Around here, Target tries to bill itself as an upscale
Wal-Mart. <gag> They have nowhere near the selection and value that
Wal-Mart has. For discount shopping or for any reason I rarely shop Target
and will go to Wal-Mart instead.
-KD
KD
Rochester and Irondequoit) will be closing its doors? That K-Mart is on the
site of one of the earliest discount stores -- as I recall, it was called
Arlan's. Arlans' was creepy, even when it was new. I remember most the
display of Eva Gabor knock-off wigs near the front entrance.
<shuddering every time I think about it>
-KD
Dennis K Boyd
"KD" <kmdk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Man, does that bring back some memories. I remember Arlan's at that
location, but the other Rochester ones don't come to mind.
Wal Mart is about the best in my book. I bought a cheap pair of gloves I
wear in the winter there two years ago, they have little or no wear on them,
fit just fine. That and a jacket I wear in the winter, $17.99+ the
state's/county's cut. I'm cheap when I wanna be!
-Dennis
KD
"Dennis K Boyd" <mopa...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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Of course, if I could be a little more consistent in my use of apostrophes,
especially within the same line... Eh, what the heck -- we *are* talking
Arlans here.
-KD
larsso
http://www.kmartcorp.com/corp/story/pressrelease/news/pr020308b.stm
3694
Big Kmart
998 Broadway
Buffalo
NY
4788
Big Kmart
3901 Vineyard Drive
Dunkirk
NY
9425
Big Kmart
258-01 Union Turnpike
Glen Oaks
NY
7144
Big Kmart
5770 S. Transit Rd.
Lockport
NY
9417
Big Kmart
847 Pelham Parkway
Pelham Manor
NY
7664
Big Kmart
5949 Taberg Road
Rome
NY
7581
Big Kmart
79 Weibel Ave.
Saratoga Springs
NY
3937
Big Kmart
77 green Acres Road
South Valley Stream
NY
3008
Big Kmart
8150 Transit Road
Williamsville
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Tom Hand
"larsso" <ne...@alstown.com> wrote in message
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I'm surprised the one on Route 2 in Latham is not on the list. It has the
biggest parking lot I've ever seen for a single store, and the fewest cars
in it that I've ever seen at any discount store.
Rob G.
opposite impression of the two stores. Yes, Target bills itself as an
upscale Wal-Mart, but IMO that's not a bad thing. I've lived in places where
Wal-Mart was located closer than Target, and vice-versa. I've found Wal-Mart
to be dirty and disorganized, while Target is cleaner, and simpler in
layout. Every time I walk into Wal-Mart, I get the feeling there's some sort
of promotion going on for the movie "Deliverance."
I haven't been in K-Mart all that often, although I do like what they've
done since going to the "Big K Mart" stores. However, walking into K Mart
just feels like I'm in yet another Wal-Mart.
--
Rob G.
Raker
> I'm surprised the one on Route 2 in Latham is not on the list. It has the
> biggest parking lot I've ever seen for a single store, and the fewest cars
> in it that I've ever seen at any discount store.
A store's profitability isn't based just on sales, it's also on the cost of
doing business. Perhaps Kmart has a really good lease that keeps costs down.
Todd
aMAZon
scr wrote:
They're a recent import. There's one now in Colonie, and plans have
been made to add one in Niskayuna and one other town, but I forget the
other one.
I have to say that the Target seems much better organized, cleaner, and
more inviting than the local K-Marts. Wal*Mart, while it does have a
lot of stuff, seems to have just tons of the same thing over and over.
There are reasons to support the local "boutique" things; it helps to
have choices. If we have just big-box stores, it's difficult to find
anything that's not on their "master list".
--
aMAZon
zesz...@worldnet.att.net
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."
Deacon
wrote:
>On Sat, 09 Mar 2002 11:45:05 GMT, "Rob G."
><gd...@rochesterNOSPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>I've found Wal-Mart
>>to be dirty and disorganized, while Target is cleaner, and simpler in
>>layout. Every time I walk into Wal-Mart, I get the feeling there's some sort
>>of promotion going on for the movie "Deliverance."
>-----------------------------------------------
>
>I totally agree. I dont know where you live, but the Latham Walmart
>is the nastyest Walmart I have ever been in. Cant even walk in that
>store because of the shit all over the floors that the scum bag
>shoppers just leave there, and the lazy workers dont pick up.
>
>I actually cant believe they keep the managers of these stores.
>
>Lisa
The Walmart in Henrietta sucks rocks...it is filthy, disorganized and
the staff are down right rude, I will only go there if they have some
incredible sale on.
LEICA
>Are there Target stores in NY? They're the best competition amongst
>the low-cost department stores
Target is in Saratoga Springs. I've never been through the door.
le...@aol.com
I haven't taken my best picture yet.
LEICA
Broadway in Saratoga Springs is an adventure. Many nice stores. Attractive
window shopping. Good coffee shop ( Compton's not Starbucks). Variety:: stuff
never even heard of in malls. Most always you will meet a friend or someone you
will recognize and say 'hello' to.Parking? Seldom a problem. City Hall & the
Post Office. Ever see those in Wal*Mart or Target? Tourists love shopping
downtown Saratoga Springs. Big boxes and malls are the same everywhere.
Oh yes. You will quite often be waited on by the store owner.
All this and Local Downtown Shoppping keeps cities and towns alive.
Tom Hand
"Deacon" <deaco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The stores are dirty, and they aren't well stocked, but I think Kmart's main
problem is their rude, unhelpful clerks. Both Target and Wal-Mart do a much
better job of training their clerks at customer assistance.
Tom Hand
"Raker" <ra...@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> A store's profitability isn't based just on sales, it's also on the cost
of
> doing business. Perhaps Kmart has a really good lease that keeps costs
down.
>
> Todd
I think that Kmart owns most, if not all, of its own real estate. I
remember reading several years ago that the value of their real estate
holdings was the second highest in the country at the time, after that of
Ted Turner.
I've been told that the reason most of the former Builder's Square buildings
are still vacant after Kmart closed them down several years ago is that
potential tenants have been wary of getting entangled in leases with Kmart
because of their shaky financial position and that Kmart has been reluctant
to sell them outright.
because they account for a large share of the company's assets.
KD
"Rob G." <gd...@rochesterNOSPAM.rr.com>
> This is interesting, because after your second sentence, I have exactly
the
> opposite impression of the two stores. Yes, Target bills itself as an
> upscale Wal-Mart, but IMO that's not a bad thing. I've lived in places
where
> Wal-Mart was located closer than Target, and vice-versa. I've found
Wal-Mart
> to be dirty and disorganized, while Target is cleaner, and simpler in
> layout. Every time I walk into Wal-Mart, I get the feeling there's some
sort
> of promotion going on for the movie "Deliverance."
I guess it would depend on when Target and Wal-Mart moved into your
particular area. Around here, Target is newer, and yes, for many years the
stores were (in general) cleaner and newer than many or most of the old
Wal-Marts. So, depending on where you shopped, you could get that
impression.
Around here, many of the old Wal-Marts have been replaced with the new super
Wal-Marts. They are all very nice and provide (for me, anyway), convenient
one-stop shopping and a great selection for ordinary household products and
food.
> I haven't been in K-Mart all that often, although I do like what they've
> done since going to the "Big K Mart" stores. However, walking into K Mart
> just feels like I'm in yet another Wal-Mart.
The K-Marts (around here, anyway) are in the same stage of evolution as the
old Wal-Marts were a few years ago. Many are old, poorly staffed, creepy,
and in strip malls that have seen their better days. Few are located at
interstate exits, which is a big disadvantage.
There is a Target store literally within walking distance of my house. I
have lived in this house for almost 20 years. During all those years, I
avoided the store -- I didn't find that (in general) they had products I
wanted and/or couldn't find elsewhere and that their pricing was not that
competitive.
My husband, who hates Wal-Mart like the plague, recently discovered what I
have been citing for years as one of my main reasons for avoiding Target ...
Let's say, for instance, there is a specific product you need such as cotton
men's briefs or plastic pants for babies in a specific size. You go to
Target, and they are out of your size. You go back in a week -- still out
of your size. You ask the manager when the next shipment will me in -- he
doesn't know. You ask if the size you want has been ordered -- he doesn't
know -- "We don't do the ordering from this store -- it is done from
headquarters." After a few months of this, and still no indication that the
product you want in the size you want will ever appear, you go to Wal-Mart
or anywhere else and - voila - there it is!
My husband has become a regular Wal-Mart shopper, even though he hates
mega-store shopping and even though the Wal-Mart is about five times farther
from our house than Target. He knows he can find what he wants when he
wants and needs it. Wal-Mart has a good selection of decent brand names,
and some very good generics as well.
Yes, I do occasionally shop at Target, but only rarely and not for the type
of weekly shopping extravaganza I normally do at Wal-Mart.
-KD
KD
"Little Lisa" <la...@budweiser.com> wrote in message
"KD" <kmdk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >IMO, Target sucks. Around here, Target tries to bill itself as an
upscale
> >Wal-Mart. <gag>
> I kinda think they are.
See -- obviously they have convinced *some* people....
-KD
Rob G.
> >to be dirty and disorganized, while Target is cleaner, and simpler in
> >layout. Every time I walk into Wal-Mart, I get the feeling there's some
sort
> >of promotion going on for the movie "Deliverance."
>
> I totally agree. I dont know where you live, but the Latham Walmart
> is the nastyest Walmart I have ever been in. Cant even walk in that
> store because of the shit all over the floors that the scum bag
> shoppers just leave there, and the lazy workers dont pick up.
>
> I actually cant believe they keep the managers of these stores.
>
the fact that if there were more than three people waiting in line, they
would open more registers. Nowadays, whenever I walk into any Wal-Mart, I
find myself staring at only 3 or 4 open registers, and lines of 8 to 10
people. Even during the holidays, they'd only have 6 or 7 registers open. I
actually gave up on shopping there when I saw the lines and found the gift I
wanted elsewhere.
--
Rob G.
Rob G.
>
> "Rob G." <gd...@rochesterNOSPAM.rr.com>
>
> > This is interesting, because after your second sentence, I have exactly
> the
> > opposite impression of the two stores. Yes, Target bills itself as an
> > upscale Wal-Mart, but IMO that's not a bad thing. I've lived in places
> where
> > Wal-Mart was located closer than Target, and vice-versa. I've found
> Wal-Mart
> > to be dirty and disorganized, while Target is cleaner, and simpler in
> > layout. Every time I walk into Wal-Mart, I get the feeling there's some
> sort
> > of promotion going on for the movie "Deliverance."
>
> I guess it would depend on when Target and Wal-Mart moved into your
> particular area. Around here, Target is newer, and yes, for many years
the
> stores were (in general) cleaner and newer than many or most of the old
> Wal-Marts. So, depending on where you shopped, you could get that
> impression.
>
the bathrooms aren't that bad.
> Around here, many of the old Wal-Marts have been replaced with the new
super
> Wal-Marts. They are all very nice and provide (for me, anyway),
convenient
> one-stop shopping and a great selection for ordinary household products
and
> food.
>
None of the Wal-Marts' I shop at have been updated. They're still the same
old dingy stores they were 5 years ago.
I've never encountered this problem. As a matter of fact, my wife and I
registered at Target for our wedding. The registry process was incredible,
especially since I got to play with the little scanning gun! :o) (Honestly
honey, I don't know how we got registered for motor oil and car wax...) I've
had problems locating items in Wal-Mart however. Recently, we were looking
for mounting squares to fasten pictures in a scrap book. They had one
package of what we wanted, and dozens of packages of items we didn't need.
However, my wife found what she was looking for a few days later, in a
completely unrelated area of the store. And don't even ask me about finding
help to locate items that are kept out of reach, or that are not available
on the shelves. Then we get to the registers where you'll have a couple open
registers and long lines. I've never encountered any of these problems at
Target.
> My husband has become a regular Wal-Mart shopper, even though he hates
> mega-store shopping and even though the Wal-Mart is about five times
farther
> from our house than Target. He knows he can find what he wants when he
> wants and needs it. Wal-Mart has a good selection of decent brand names,
> and some very good generics as well.
>
> Yes, I do occasionally shop at Target, but only rarely and not for the
type
> of weekly shopping extravaganza I normally do at Wal-Mart.
>
Most of my shopping is done at Wal-Mart, but only because it is located in
town, as opposed to driving a half-hour down the thruway and fighting mall
traffic to reach a Target.
--
Rob G.
BrendaJames
wrote:
>I think that Kmart owns most, if not all, of its own real estate. I
>remember reading several years ago that the value of their real estate
>holdings was the second highest in the country at the time, after that of
>Ted Turner.
That may be, but one of the primary aspects of this round of closings
was to get out of unfavorable leases. Maybe those are the ones they
lease from Ted?
>I've been told that the reason most of the former Builder's Square buildings
>are still vacant after Kmart closed them down several years ago is that
>potential tenants have been wary of getting entangled in leases with Kmart
>because of their shaky financial position and that Kmart has been reluctant
>to sell them outright.
> because they account for a large share of the company's assets.
Kmart had bad leases with most of the old and vacant Builder's Square
building owners. The bankruptcy lets them out of those leases. Look
for the buildings to be inhabited shortly.
>
¿fooguy?
> Buffalo, Lockport, Rome, Saratoga, among others.
>
> Hard to believe the Kingston store survived the cut. Very few cars in
> parking lot for months now.
::SIGH::
I find it amusing that the business cycle has collapsed in on itself.
Super stores became popular because you could go to a huge store that
had everything you want 24 hours a day and they were cheap. They drove
all the mom & pop places out of business, and in the end they don't
have what you want, they're rarely clean, and they're not always
cheap.
I used to work at the Super-K in Queensbury when I was in Highschool
(Store #4928). Before that, I remember going with my parents to the
Kmart in Saratoga at it's old location (out toward SPAC). All the
Kmarts seemed to be in dingy strip malls - the one in Auburn NY for
example. This was well before we New Yorkers had ever heard of a
"Walmart".
Eventually, Kmart built their Super-K in Queensbury, close enough to
the Vermont border to draw people in. Right around that time Walmat
moved into Queensbury next to Ames (which bought Zayers - remember
them?). Everyone thought Ames would die - Super-K would steal Ames in
Hudson Fall's business and Walmart could kill Ames business in
Queensbury. Didn't happen. I'm told Super-K was the best thing to
happen to Amsterdam (was there anything after Nickle's left?)
Slowly, Queensbury and Saratoga came to be like Lathem, and Auburn got
a Walmart (which *was* the best thing to happen to them).
Having worked for KIH, I head a few rumblings about the problems over
the years. They used to own Builder's Square, and when they weren't
doing well they literally had to orpan the stores and let them be
their own entity until they went out of business. They still got stuck
with a bunch of 30 year leases. Old-Kmart has been dragging the
Super-Ks down for some time - they're dirty, old, and often have no
stock. With the popularity of outlets, you can buy designer clothes
for the prices that Mel Disco (KIH's clothing distributor) fetches for
its wares.
In the end, they all have the same problem: they can't deliver super
clean, high volume, low cost shopping without some expense. Every
Target, Walmat, and Kmart I've been in older than 3-5 years is dirty,
under staffed, poorly stocked, and a pain in the ass to shop at. Once
these stores have established a customer base and are turning in the
black they cut way back and hold on for the long haul.
Now Best Buy - that's another story altogether. =)
Whitelightning
serves me , it was behind the high school. Sigh so much I remember no
longer exists, RL Texaco station south of town on route 9 , the Way Station,
also on route 9 and of course the infamous Casino Pool Lounge. I havent
shopped
K-mart since they dumped over 4,500 full time employees four years ago
right after Christmas, and replaced them with "part timers so they didnt
have to provide any benifits" (this is not an unsubstantiated claim, but an
actual quote of the VP who was interviewd by APS). Walmart hasnt been worth
a dime since old man Sam Walmart died.
Whitelightning
Raker
didn't own the other 2,096.
Todd
"Tom Hand" <troy...@altavista.com> wrote in message
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Texensis
Have you ever been directed to Target to buy items registered in connection
with a wedding? No matter how many items are on the list, the store is
mostly out of stock.
Texensis
| On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:43:29 GMT, "Texensis"
| <miste...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
|
| >{some snippage}
| >
| >Have you ever been directed to Target to buy items registered in
connection
| >with a wedding? No matter how many items are on the list, the store is
| >mostly out of stock.
|
| People register at Target?
|
| Interesting.
|
| Lisa
|
|
They certainly do. I think they call it "Club Wed," or something like that.
Rob G.
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> On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:43:29 GMT, "Texensis"
> <miste...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Have you ever been directed to Target to buy items registered in
connection
> >with a wedding? No matter how many items are on the list, the store is
> >mostly out of stock.
> -----------------------------
>
> People register at Target?
>
> Interesting.
>
My wife and I did. After that, another friend and his wife registered there
as well. It was nice because he lives in Oregon, whereas we're in New York,
but we were still able to look up his registry and find what we wanted to
buy.
--
Rob G.
Club Treasurer
Kiwanis Club of Palmyra-Macedon
Tom Hand
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:37:43 GMT, "Rob G."
> <gd...@rochesterNOSPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >My wife and I did. After that, another friend and his wife registered
there
> >as well. It was nice because he lives in Oregon, whereas we're in New
York,
> >but we were still able to look up his registry and find what we wanted to
> >buy.
>
> I just never knew they had registry there, let alone, have never even
> gotten an invitation with Target listed as one of the registry places.
>
> Lisa
They put that registration crap right on the invitation nowadays? How
gauche. They used to just whisper it.
Doesn't affect me anyway, though. I don't ever remember giving anything but
cash at a wedding. Some people consider that gauche too, but I never met
anyone who didn't like receiving money with no strings attached.
aMAZon
Little Lisa wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:37:43 GMT, "Rob G."
> <gd...@rochesterNOSPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>My wife and I did. After that, another friend and his wife registered there
>>as well. It was nice because he lives in Oregon, whereas we're in New York,
>>but we were still able to look up his registry and find what we wanted to
>>buy.
>>
> ----------------------------
>
> I just never knew they had registry there, let alone, have never even
> gotten an invitation with Target listed as one of the registry places.
>
> Lisa
>
And I hope you never shall.
Invitations to weddings should not come with registry information --
that's seen as shameless gift-grubbing.
Showers are a little different, though.
One thing any bridal couple must be aware of, though, is the seasonal
availability of some items. Just because Macy's or Target has a ton
of stuff you want now doesn't mean it'll be in stock by the time the
wedding comes 'round.
aMAZon
Little Lisa wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The registry is more for the shower than the actual wedding.
>
> Which kinda baffles me. Wedding showers. I always thought that back
> in the old days, wedding showers were meant for the couple as a means
> of "starting their life together". Helping them get all the
> essentials needed for their home.
>
> Nowadays, including myself, most couples have already been living
> together for a long time. Have all the necessities. Yet, they are
> still given a shower, still go out and register to tell people "I
> want this and that and this.....". I know.......thats not how they
> are thinking, but its essentially what they are doing.
>
> I had a wedding shower only because my mom gave me one and it was the
> norm. I didnt register because I already had all the necesseties.
> But I dont think I should have even been given one. A night out with
> the ladies would have been sufficient.
Isn't that what a shower is supposed to be, essentially? A time of
supporting the person going through some life transition?
> Wedding showers should be left to those that really need them. Like
> baby showers. Your first baby, you are given a shower to help you get
> everything you need, and be prepared for the upcomming arrival.
I've heard it postulated that what folks need is a shower for the 25th
anniversary, because by then, the original wedding stuff likely needed
updating (frayed towels needed replacing, etc.) I'm not sure if it
wasn't Erma Bombeck or Peg Bracken who suggested that one.
> But
> most dont have a second babyshower. Most use what they had from the
> first.
That is, providing you didn't have one baby and then get rid of all the
stuff, thinking one was going to be _it_. Or how about those who have
one baby, then split, then find someone else and get married and have
another? There's likely some time gap in between there. And even
Carter's onesies aren't immortal!
BiggHobbit
>connection
>> >with a wedding? No matter how many items are on the list, the store is
>> >mostly out of stock.
I have been shopping at Target for over 20 years and have never had that
problem.
>> -----------------------------
>>
>> People register at Target?
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
The wedding registry is called Club Wedd and there is also a New Baby registry
too.
Texensis
"BiggHobbit" <biggh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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It probably depends on the branch and whether it's a heavy wedding season.
You're given a printout of the registry with the given items noted. People
usually ask for tools, camping goods, yard furniture, and housewares of
various sorts. Pots & pans and cooking equipment of the specifics sought are
not always fully stocked if there's been a recent run.
Tom Hand
"Texensis" <miste...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> It probably depends on the branch and whether it's a heavy wedding season.
> You're given a printout of the registry with the given items noted. People
> usually ask for tools, camping goods, yard furniture, and housewares of
> various sorts. Pots & pans and cooking equipment of the specifics sought
are
> not always fully stocked if there's been a recent run.
>
I don't see how it can depend on the branch. Both Target and Wal-Mart are
admired throughout the retail industry for their automated inventory and
ordering systems which insure that items are manufactured, shipped and
stocked as needed, virtually untouched by human hands. It should make no
difference what store you are talking about because the transactions at the
point of sale terminals are what trigger the centrally controlled process.
Both chains are very tough in their contracts with suppliers regarding
delivery performance, and they are both big enough and have enough clout to
knock the manufacturers into line. Losing a contract with Target or
Wal-Mart could destroy many companies.
enigma
> Little Lisa wrote:
>> But
>> most dont have a second babyshower. Most use what they had from the
>> first.
>
>
> That is, providing you didn't have one baby and then get rid of all the
> stuff, thinking one was going to be _it_. Or how about those who have
> one baby, then split, then find someone else and get married and have
> another? There's likely some time gap in between there. And even
> Carter's onesies aren't immortal!
or people go assuming because of one's age that one *must* have had
babies before... i had my first (& probably last) a month before i turned
46. fortunately the diapers i ordered arrived the day i got home :)
we've added things as needed, high chair, reading chair, etc... but a
shower woulda been fun. (but since i don't bottle feed & use cloth
diapers, what else would i need?)
lee <who did get some yard sale baby clothes & really nice bibs from
grandma>
Tom Hand
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:37:23 GMT, "Tom Hand" <troy...@altavista.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I don't see how it can depend on the branch. Both Target and Wal-Mart
are
> >admired throughout the retail industry for their automated inventory and
> >ordering systems which insure that items are manufactured, shipped and
> >stocked as needed,
>
> For the most part, yes. But it can only order what it knows is
> supposed to be instock.
>
> For ex: The store keeps an on hand amount of lets say 10 of a
> particular item. Which means they expect to sell at least 10 a week.
> But, 99.9% (I say that figure because I cant speak of every retail
> place), of the automated inventory ordering systems do not replenish
> such item til it gets below 80%. In otherwords, they wouldnt
> replenish stock until the on hand reached 2. Therefore, you only
> have 2 in stock of something that you need 10 of. Creating out of
> stocks. Then you have to take sale items into consideration. The
> system doesnt recognize sales and know to automatically up the amount.
> So if you dont order extra yourself, again, you have out of stocks.
> Whereas, if they did it the old fashioned way, where managers have to
> order themselves on a weekly basis, that particular item would always
> be fully stocked. Assuming of course that the manager is doing his
> job correctly, the inventory analyst is doing his job correctly to.
> Most of the time, it has nothing to do with the manufacturers
> distributors.
>
> Lisa
>
With Wal-Mart and Target it has everything to do with manufacturers and
distributors. The Inventory control systems are directly interfaced with
the manufacturers' systems and orders from the store actually initiate the
manufacturing process when necessary.
Sure, everyone has so-called automatic inventory control, even relatively
small companies like Price Chopper, but as I pointed out in my previous
post, those of Target and Wal-Mart, and a very few other chains like Home
Depot, are unequaled have received much admiration throughout the industry
and are even studied in Universities, not only by the business departments
but by the science departments too.
As you mentioned, lesser systems do require human intervention from time to
time, but those systems don't. The manager at Home Depot is free to devote
his full attention to making sure the floor is washed and that the employees
get to work on time. He doesn't have to worry about inventory control.
Tom Hand
"Phreddy Phlintstone" <phreddy_phlint...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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are
> >admired throughout the retail industry for their automated inventory and
> >ordering systems which insure that items are manufactured, shipped and
> >stocked as needed, virtually untouched by human hands.
>
> highway were handstacked by humans. All of those boxes are retrieved
> from stock by humans who pick up, slide and wrestle with them before
> they're loaded onto conveyors. It's only the trip from the stock area
> to the trucks that is automated and even then boxes constantly fall
> off of conveyors so someone has to be there to toss them back on the
> line.
>
> The products that don't get shipped in full case quantities are hand
> loaded into boxes with like products for shipment to specific
> departments within each store.
>
> >It should make no
> >difference what store you are talking about because the transactions at
the
> >point of sale terminals are what trigger the centrally controlled
process.
> >Both chains are very tough in their contracts with suppliers regarding
> >delivery performance, and they are both big enough and have enough clout
to
> >knock the manufacturers into line.
>
> journey from the Far East. Typhoons, ships adrift with no power,
> containers rolling overboard are just a few of the problems they have
> to deal with.
>
> Phreddy
> --
> "If it ain't broke, don't lend it."
>
> Red Green
When I said untouched by human hands I was referring to the process. It's
not important if people or robots actually load the stuff onto the trucks as
long as the process is controlled automatically. As for those ships and
typhoons, most consumer products nowadays are flown in, not sent in ships.
Ships are generally used only for oil and other raw materials, steel and
other manufactured metals, large industrial machinary, and very bulky
products like cars (although there are few cars shipped accross our borders
nowadays except for the Canadian and Mexican ones).
Tom Hand
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:13:26 GMT, "Tom Hand" <troy...@altavista.com>
> wrote:
>
> >As for those ships and
> >typhoons, most consumer products nowadays are flown in, not sent in
ships.
>
> of most of the consumer goods imported from the Far East. Do you
> actually think that they airfreight a t-shirt from Bangladesh to be
> sold at K-Mart for $6.98?
>
> >Ships are generally used only for oil and other raw materials, steel and
> >other manufactured metals, large industrial machinary, and very bulky
> >products like cars (although there are few cars shipped accross our
borders
> >nowadays except for the Canadian and Mexican ones).
>
> container ships off-loading consumer products from the far edges of
> the Pacific Rim.
>
> I used to work for an import/export agency, 99.9% of our clients used
> surface transport as most of the Far East manufacturers quote prices
> with surface transport included, to the port of your choice here in
> the US.
>
> Phreddy
> --
> "If it ain't broke, don't lend it."
>
> Red Green
I don't know about that T-shirt but I do know that because everyone has a
policy of not holding inventory in warehouses that anything that could be
considered time critical is sent by air. Not refrigerators, of course, but
computers for instance. A couple of years ago there was a heist at JFK.
The loot? More than 1000 Toshiba laptops that had just arrived on an
international flight.
Kaz
city of Buffalo.
City officials are pulling out all the stops to prevent one of them from
closing:
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20020315/1036458.asp
K.D.
> policy of not holding inventory in warehouses that anything that could be
> considered time critical is sent by air. Not refrigerators, of course,
but
> computers for instance. A couple of years ago there was a heist at JFK.
> The loot? More than 1000 Toshiba laptops that had just arrived on an
> international flight.
Uh, hello? One story hardly a point makes.
As Freddy said, most things are sent by ship, NOT by air. Only someone who
had not spent any time in and around a major port / shipping yard could
possibly think otherwise.
For starters, the sheer volume of what a ship can carry compared to what can
be carried by air is staggering. Do a google for info on worldwide
shipping -- just make sure you use terms such as million and billion when
talking about tons of cargo and dollar amount.
Here's a starter:
Cargo throughput in the world's most important ports 1999:
Rotterdam 303.4 million tons
Singapore 251.9 million tons
Shanghai 187.0 million tons
Hong Kong 168.8 million tons (incl. Inland shipping), 16 million containers
through the port alone
Nagoya 133.2 million tons
Yokohama 117.8 million tons
Antwerp 115.7 million tons
Pusan 107.7 million tons
Marseille 90.3 million tons
Hamburg 81.0 million tons
By comparison, Hong Kong moves a mere 2.1 million tons air cargo annually.
-KD
Bill
Interesting that there isn't a single US port on that list! Perhaps,
KD, you can post the source of your info so that those of us who would
like more information can look it up for ourselves.
My guess is that some high end and low weight products are shipped by
air. When making such comparisons, tonnage is a poor indicator.
Value would be better. After all, a sack of potatoes weighs much more
than a lap top. A would venture a guess that nobody air ships
potatoes! Laptops, though, may be a different story.
Tom Hand
"Bill" <bill...@msn.com> wrote in message
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A would venture a guess that nobody air ships
> potatoes! Laptops, though, may be a different story.
Don't be too sure. Most more perishable produce is shipped by air, both
within the country and from Mexico and Latin America. It started with fresh
flowers from Holland and Venezuela, but now everything from California
lettuce to Chilean melons are shipped by air. If they can fly a melon 6000
miles and sell it for two bucks it probably wouldn't be that costly for
potatoes either.
Whitelightning
products as recently as 2000. I hauled taters out of oregon to NYC, fresh
strawberries from texas to minnesota, and more kinds of produce than you can
name out of California to all points in the USA. Bananas and other tropical
friuts like mangos, come up out of South America to ports on the both coasts
of florida in cities like Tampa, Jacksonville, and Ft Myers to name a few
are then trucked all over the east coast and central states. those headed
for the mid west and west coast usually move through ports in Mississippi,
Louisiana, and the gulf coast of Texas. A gazzilion tons of produce comes
up from northern central america by thruck through mexico, along with about
the same amount of produce and flowers grown in mexico coming through south
texas, the majority of it, over 2,500 truck loads aday, seven days a week,
52 weeks a year, through laredo. Refrigerated carriers make up 40% of all
trucking companies in the USA. Oh and I almost forgot one of my favorite
perishable products, yogurt out of N. Lawrence N.Y.
Whitelightning
Dennis K Boyd
"Kaz" <rkaz@[remove this]adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Four stores in the Buffalo area are slated to close including one in the
> city of Buffalo.
>
> City officials are pulling out all the stops to prevent one of them from
> closing:
>
> http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20020315/1036458.asp
>
>
> >
> > Hard to believe the Kingston store survived the cut. Very few cars in
> > parking lot for months now.
Good grief, less tax revenue for the City of Buffalo? What's gonna be left
there in a few years?
I'm surprised two K-Marts here in Rottenchester are still open, the one out
in the Town of Greece and the one in Irondequoit. The few times in my life
I've shopped either, the prices were not much lower than other stores, and
the time I wasted driving to either was pointless. I know their business at
both stores is low, too.
Wal Mart is considering opening a super store on the north side of the City
of Rochester, on Hudson near the Irondequoit border and a Wegmans
supermarket. Although I agree Wal Mart has changed a bit since old Sammy's
death, I think they would put the squeeze on K-Mart on E. Ridge Rd. and the
Wegmans nearby, if Wal Mart puts in a supermarket there, too, like the one
on Chili Ave in Gates.
Seems like Wal Mart is trying this superstore concept in a lot of cities.
It's working here, the one in Gates is booming. Who knows what the long term
affect will be, though. Retail trends and some stores have died in Upstate
NY due to critical/wise consumers and write-ups in Consumer Reports. Who
knows... These places could go the way of Two Guys, Service Merchandise,
Silo's, etc. I think Wal Mart will be around for awhile, methinks th writing
is on the wall at the Big K, unless they can somehow turn things around. How
many stores can sell the same thing in one town?
-Dennis
Texensis
What about the port of Albany? Heating oil, bananas, grain, etc., etc. What
about automobiles? I remember when Saabs came into the Port of New Haven,
Connecticut, and that was probably the only city where anybody drive the
laughable-looking things.
billnech
aMAZon
Little Lisa wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:46:52 -0500, enigma <eni...@empire.net> wrote:
>
>
>>or people go assuming because of one's age that one *must* have had
>>babies before... i had my first (& probably last) a month before i turned
>>46. fortunately the diapers i ordered arrived the day i got home :)
>>we've added things as needed, high chair, reading chair, etc... but a
>>shower woulda been fun. (but since i don't bottle feed & use cloth
>>diapers, what else would i need?)
>>lee <who did get some yard sale baby clothes & really nice bibs from
>>grandma>
>>
>
>
> I just got Jamie a toddler bed. Stinkin thing is so cute. Never got
> one for Janine. She went from crib to a regular twin bed. But Jamie
> is way too tiny for that. She's still crib size. But unfortunately,
> she keeps throwing things out of her crib, then would try and reach
> for them, and fell out twice. She doesnt try to climb out, just
> reaches. So got this adorable teenie tiny toddler bed for $60 at
> Burlington Coat Factory. She loves it.
>
> One problem, now she can get up and out any time she pleases. This is
> not a good thing. *g*
>
> Lisa
>
When my husband was a toddler, his parents were worried about him
falling out of his crib, too. This was before anyone *made* toddler
beds.
My FIL ended up taking the nice Childcraft crib and sawing the legs on
the thing so the bed part was closer to the ground. MIL called it
"the world's most expensive dog bed" <smile>
Friends of mine got around the falling-out-of-bed problem. They slept
on mattresses directly on the floor.
Angry White Male
Enter / Exit signs for the shopping plaza are still the sames ones that were
there from the Zayre's day (same colors and designs).
But here in Rochester, we have the following and each has their good points
and bad points...
Target - bright, clean, nice wide aisles
WalMart - good selection, however it's cramped and I HATE the yelling over
the store's PA system
Ames - I used to hate it, selection is so-so, but it's not so bad if you
know what you're looking for and looking to save a little $$$
KMart - the lowest of the low... store (in Greece) is dingy and unorganized
Usually I'll just go to the mall and pay extra for the better selection and
less "white trash".