"This is knowledge for the soul"
Narayana Sateesh Pillai
"Harischandran" which starts like this:
"Aatma vignaanamay ..." ????
After giving the transliteration, do you mind translating it?
Thanks in advance!
TATA!
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Mathai Chundattu
> Does anybody have the words to the song from the Malayalam movie
>"Harischandran" which starts like this:
>
> "Aatma vignaanamay ..." ????
>
>After giving the transliteration, do you mind translating it?
This is neither full nor exact. For me it was a kind of song which comes
to mouth though I don't want to sing it! A typical desperado's (avaSan)
song!
aathma-vidyaalayame
avaniyithaathmavidyaalayame
illaa jaathikaL chethavichaaram
ivide pukkavaR oru kai chaaram
paNDhithanaattE yaachakanaattE
vannitumotuvil vanJchitha natuvil
aathmavidyaalayame....
......
...
....
aaRatimaNNil neeRiyotunnGum
aathmavidyaalayame...
Translation! Are you kidding?
Later,
Mathai
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In article <Bz40M...@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchu...@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>In article <1g8oko...@gap.caltech.edu> owl.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai) writes:
>> Does anybody have the words to the song from the Malayalam movie
>>"Harischandran" which starts like this:
>>
>> "Aatma vignaanamay ..." ????
>>
>>After giving the transliteration, do you mind translating it?
>
>
>This is neither full nor exact. For me it was a kind of song which comes
>to mouth though I don't want to sing it! A typical desperado's (avaSan)
>song!
>
I can cudgel my memory into retrieving one more stanza of this song. Though
I agree with Mathai that this is a typically "avasan" song, this stanza is
really beautiful in its poetry .....
Thilakam chaarthi, cheekiyum-azhakaai,
kaathu sookshichoru punya sirassey,
ulakam vellaan uzhariya neeyum,
vila pidiyaathoru thalayodayi...
aathma vidyaalayamey....
>
>Translation! Are you kidding?
>
Amen !
>
>Later,
>
>Mathai
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Arun.P.Madangarli
Mathai Chundattu
aathma-vidyaalayame
avaniyithaathmavidyaalayame
illaa jaathikaL chethavichaaram (?) some grammar mistake?
ivide pukkavaR oru kai chaaram
mannavanaattE yaachakanaattE
vannitumotuvil vanJchitha natuvil
aathmavidyaalayame....
>Thilakam chaarthi, cheekiyum-azhakaai,
>kaathu sookshichoru punya sirassey,
>ulakam vellaan uzhariya neeyum,
>vila pidiyaathoru thalayodayi...
>
>aathma vidyaalayamey...
......
...
....
aaRatimaNNil neeRiyotunnGum
aathmavidyaalayame...
Looks like we are managing it!
Who sang this? Brahmanandan?
Mathai
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Ajit K. Nair
I think it was Mannadey who sang aathmavidyaalayame...
Ajit
P J Narayanan
Wonderful song by KamukaRa PuruShOtthaman in Harishchandra
a classic in ragam sAma (or shyAma).
Athma-vidyAlayamE
avaniyilAthmavidyAlayamE
azhinilayillA, jIvithamellAm
AraTimaNNil nIRIyothungi
illA jAthithan bhedavichAram
iviteppukkavaR oru kai chAram
mannavanATTE yAchakanATTE
vanniTumoTuvil vanchitha natuvil
thilakam chArthi, EthinumazhakAy
palanAL pottiya puNya shirassE,
ulakam vellAn uzhaRiya nIyum,
vila piTiyAtthoru thalayOTayi
This song, however, reflects (copies ?) KumAran AsAn's
darshanam of a cemetery (shmashAnam) as the ultimate center
of spiritual learning. Asan expressed it in his kr~ti
PrarOdanam, a vilApakAvyam lamenting the death of
kErala pANini A. R. rAjarAja varma. The relevant shLOkam is:
kaShTam! sThAnavalippamO prabhuthayO sajjAthiyO vamsamO
puShTashrI thanudhATiyO cheRuthuminngOrilla ghOrAnalan
spaShTam mAnuShagarvamokkeyiviTepukkasthamikkunnithin-
ngiShTanmAr piriyunnu hA! iviTamAnAdhyAthmavidyAlayam.
PJN
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Mathai Chundattu
>
>I think it was Mannadey who sang aathmavidyaalayame...
>
>Ajit
>
>
Or is it kamukaRa (kaRakaRA!, kirakira!) Purushothaman?
Mathai
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Ajit K. Nair
I stand corrected,it was Kamukara and not Mannadey.
Ajit.
Jacob Thomas
>In article <1g8oko...@gap.caltech.edu> owl.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai) writes:
>> Does anybody have the words to the song from the Malayalam movie
>>"Harischandran" which starts like this:
>>
>> "Aatma vignaanamay ..." ????
>>
>>After giving the transliteration, do you mind translating it?
>
>
>This is neither full nor exact. For me it was a kind of song which comes
>to mouth though I don't want to sing it! A typical desperado's (avaSan)
>song!
>
>
>
>aathma-vidyaalayame
>avaniyithaathmavidyaalayame
>
>illaa jaathikaL chethavichaaram
>ivide pukkavaR oru kai chaaram
>paNDhithanaattE yaachakanaattE
>vannitumotuvil vanJchitha natuvil
>
>aathmavidyaalayame....
>
ulakam vellaan uzhariya neeyO
vilapidiyaathoru thalayOdaayi
>.......
>....
>.....
>aaRatimaNNil neeRiyotunnGum
>
>aathmavidyaalayame...
>
>
>
>Translation! Are you kidding?
>
>
>Later,
>
>Mathai
>--
>
>
Jacob
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Mathai Chundattu
>
>Wonderful song by KamukaRa PuruShOtthaman in Harishchandra
>a classic in ragam sAma (or shyAma).
Here is my translation. Hope it helps you, Sateesh.
I dont think its perfect.
Someone else with a little more poetic taste?
>Athma-vidyAlayamE
>avaniyilAthmavidyAlayamE
>azhinilayillA, jIvithamellAm
>AraTimaNNil nIRIyothungi
It is a school for the soul
In the earth it is a school for the soul
All lives end crumbling in six feet of soil
>illA jAthithan bhedavichAram
>iviteppukkavaR oru kai chAram
>mannavanATTE yAchakanATTE
>vanniTumoTuvil vanchitha natuvil
Castes do not matter
Whoever lives here becomes a handful of ash.
Whether king or beggar,
He will be burnt in the end.
>thilakam chArthi, EthinumazhakAy
>palanAL pottiya puNya shirassE,
>ulakam vellAn uzhaRiya nIyum,
>vila piTiyAtthoru thalayOTayi
Crowned and proudly kept
Your head for many days.
Even you who attempted to win the world
Became a worthless skull.
Enjoy,
Mathai
Now only if you are interested in the words!!!
>
>Athma-vidyAlayamE It is a school for the soul
>avaniyilAthmavidyAlayamE In the earth it is school for
the soul
aathma = pertaining to soul, vidyaalayam = school
avani = earth, avaniyil = in the earth
>azhinilayillA, jIvithamellAm
>AraTimaNNil nIRIyothungi All lives end crumbling in six
feet of soil.(?)
azhinilayilla = ? Nothing to stop?
jIvitham = life, ellaam = all
>
>illA jAthithan bhedavichAram Castes do not matter
>iviteppukkavaR oru kai chAram Whoever lives here becomes a
handful ash.
illA = no, jAthi than = of caste, bhEdam = difference,
vichaaram = notion
bhEdavichaaram = discrimination
ivite = here, pukkavaR = who live, oru = one,
kai = handful, chaaram = ash.
>mannavanATTE yAchakanATTE Whether king or beggar,
>vanniTumoTuvil vanchitha natuvil He will be burnt in the end.
>
mannavan = king, yAchakan = beggar, AttE = let it be
vannitum = will come, otuvil = in the end,
van chitha = large 'chitha', large fire,
natuvil = in the middle, inside
>thilakam chArthi, EthinumazhakAy Crowned and proudly kept
>palanAL pottiya puNya shirassE, Your head for many days
thilakam = crown (?), chARtthi = ornamented
Ethinum azhakaay = above everything
pala nAL = many days, pOttiya = nurtured
puNya shirassE = "Oh divine (royal) head"
>ulakam vellAn uzhaRiya nIyum, Even you who attempted to win the
world
>vila piTiyAtthoru thalayOTayi Became a worthless skull.
>
ulakam = world, vellAn = to win, uzhaRiya = worked, attempted
nIyum = even you, vila = value, worth, piTiyAttha = without
vilapiTiyAttha = worthless,
thalayOT~ = skull, aayi = became.
--
Narayana Sateesh Pillai
At last I have something to think about!!!
I had been trying to understand this
song ever since I had heard it on the
radio for the first time.
Interestingly, my mom once told me that
this was the first movie she had seen
after she got married. I am
referring to "Harishchandran".
Devakumar Sreevijayan
>darshanam of a cemetery (shmashAnam) as the ultimate center
>of spiritual learning. Asan expressed it in his kr~ti
>PrarOdanam, a vilApakAvyam lamenting the death of
>kErala pANini A. R. rAjarAja varma. The relevant shLOkam is:
>
>
>kaShTam! sThAnavalippamO prabhuthayO sajjAthiyO vamsamO
>puShTashrI thanudhATiyO cheRuthuminngOrilla ghOrAnalan
>spaShTam mAnuShagarvamokkeyiviTepukkasthamikkunnithin-
>ngiShTanmAr piriyunnu hA! iviTamAnAdhyAthmavidyAlayam.
The cemetary as the ground of true spiritual awakening, where
one contemplates the transitory nature of all existence, is a classical
Buddhist concept. Indeed, the patron saint of Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhism,
Milarepa, is said to have sat upon a corpse in meditation until he became
enlightened. It is interesting to note AsAn's Buddhist connection, especially
as author of Karuna, which, if I remember right, features a Buddhist Bhikshu.
I have been very interested in Buddhism lately, and I am curious
whether Buddhism was a force in Kerala at all. Does anyone have any historical
pointers? I realize that Buddhism did exist in Kerala at one time and that the
community gradually got subsumed within the larger Hindu fold or converted.
But, are there any physical traces (ruins of vihAra's for example) left
in Kerala? And while we are on the subject, could someone recommend good
books on Kerala history, particularly of Mediaeval and Ancient Kerala?
On a tangent, I was reading Roger Kanigel's book on Ramanujan
earlier this semester, and he kept referring to the "brilliant mathematicians
of Kerala", while committing the unpardonable sin of omitting references. I
was all agog trying to figure out who these people were, who had continued
and advanced the tradition of Bhaskara, AryaBhatta, and others who we are
familiar with. The other day, while browsing in the Univ CoOp, I chanced
upon a rather nice book in the Math section entitled "The Crest of the
Peacock: Non-European Roots of Mathematics", by George Ghevarghese (yes,
thats how it is spelt) Joseph, a Penguin paperback. It had a whole section
on Kerala Mathematics (8 pages), and a wealth of references. I dug out
some of the references and am considering writing a short article based
on them for this net, if there is interest. Apparently, the beginnings
of Calculus (the subject of Analysis, really) has its beginnings in
IrinjAlakuda, where a person by name of Madhava (c. 1340-1425, of Sangamagrama,
which was IrinjAlakuda in the old days), derived the infinite series expansions
for the Inverse Tangent, the Sine, the Cosine and other Trig functions.
Other mathematicians mentioned include Nilakantha (c. 1445-1545),
Putumana Somayaji (c. 1660-1740), Sankara Varman, Jyeshtadeva (c. 1550 A.D.),
Sankara Variar (c. 1500-60), et al. These discoveries push back the dates on
such familiar (to those with a Math background) themes like the Taylor and
Gregory series, the power series expansions of Sine and Cosine attributed to
such giants as Leibniz and Newton by a couple of centuries.
Is it my own colossal ignorance, or are you folks also unaware
of these people? I bought the book, needless to say, and would highly
recommend it, in this forum and elsewhere. While a title such as "non-european
roots' might raise PC-sensitive eyebrows in Academia, I believe the book
(such as I have read) presents a balanced and well-reasoned perspective that
calls into question, without sounding hoarse, the Eurocentric (I hate using
the word, but it is descriptive) viewpoints of such renowned historians of
Mathematics like Morris Kline and Carl Boyer (whose weighty tome graces
my bookshelf and is singular in its silence about these Kerala Mathematicians
and their achievements, while only too hastily subscribing to Al-Biruni's
view that Indian Mathematics was 'a mixture of common pebbles and costly
pearls').
The author, G.G. Joseph, was born in Kerala, but spent most
of his life outside India, in such diverse places as Papua New Guinea and Kenya.
He attended University in England, where he now lives and works at the
University of Manchester.
Dev
Formerly of EranAkuLam
Narayana Sateesh Pillai
George) writes:
> I have seen a statue of Buddha somewhere in or near Mavelikara. It has
> been there a very long time, but I am not sure how far back it dates.
> There is also an Ashokan pillar next to it.
I've seen a statue of Buddha in Trivandrum. It's behind the
secretariat, adjacent to the British Council Library, and opposite to
the stadium. But there was no Ashoka pillar around there.
>
> Varkki
P J Narayanan
>in Kerala? And while we are on the subject, could someone recommend good
>books on Kerala history, particularly of Mediaeval and Ancient Kerala?
It is my understanding that Budhism and Jainism thrived in Kerala at
some point in history. I am not aware of any physical traces left.
Jainism can still be found, especially in the norther parts. There
are a few prominent Jains, like M. P. Veerendra Kumar. It is a pity
that even those of us who were educated in Kerala has such a poor
understanding of its history. The education system leaves a lot to be
desired. I am in no position to give you references regarding Kerala
history, but if you receive good ones, do share it with this group.
Postings on Kerala mathematicians will be more than welcome!!
I have heard about Madhava, that too recently. It is a pity we are
all so ignorant about our own past.
Varkki George
>>But, are there any physical traces (ruins of vihAra's for example) left
>>in Kerala? And while we are on the subject, could someone recommend good
>>books on Kerala history, particularly of Mediaeval and Ancient Kerala?
>
>It is my understanding that Budhism and Jainism thrived in Kerala at
>some point in history. I am not aware of any physical traces left.
I have seen a statue of Buddha somewhere in or near Mavelikara. It has
been there a very long time, but I am not sure how far back it dates.
There is also an Ashokan pillar next to it.
Varkki
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Sapthotharan K Nair (grad student)
as being the discoverer of Pythagorus theorem.
I read about him in Sasthrakeralam ( a publication
of the Kerala Sastra Sahithya Parishad), when I was in
high school.
Saptho Nair