RVCE Holla ??
Dinesh Haryadi
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Achar Ramachandra (ac...@doe.carleton.ca) wrote:
: Prof Holla brought lot of name/fame to RVCE during his tenure
: as principal, stretching over 12 years. I still remeber the way he
Dear Achar,
I have no second thoughts in the admistrative capabilities
of prof.Holla. Also I agree that his tenure brought about a big
change in RVCE in general. However I do not think he was "just"
in his actions. He was a man who was under the control of the
RVCE management and did overlook the academic capabilities of
his students. I strongly believe that the govt quota students
at RVCE were grossly neglected. Only those who had some talents
which brought some medals to the collection in his office were
the pampered ones. Also he was notorious in meeting only those
influential people who brought in money and fame to the college.
Not to forget the famous issue which brought him into light
in the local newspapers. He was supposed to have been involved
in a examination malpractice wherein answer papers were exchanged.
As far as I remember the affected student committed suicide.
When this incident occured he vanished into thin air for almost
a week during which it is beleived that the trust paid heavily
to get the newspapers shut their mouth. He should have retired
then I feel. Imagine the plight of the suffering parents of the
dead student.
Another incident worth mentioning is when a student
in EE died by drowning in a freak accident at Goa in 89-90.
He calmly announced in the college that the college had nothing
to do with the incident other than mourn for him. Instead he should
have stopped this bogus industrial tours or try to make them
worthwhile in future. I agree that the fault may have been
with the affected student or it may have been a totally
accidental case.....I mean rare case. But the greatness of
a head of a institution lies in accepting the truth rather
than cover things up.
Holla may have done more good things in life than
his misdeeds, but unfortunately a man in this society will always be
remembered for his misdeeds. Nevertheless, I will remain a
proud RVCEian.
-Dinesh
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Dinesh G. Haryadi
Dinesh....@m.cc.utah.edu
dhar...@soma.med.utah.edu
Bioengineering Lab 130 S, 1300 E, Apt #401
Dept. of Anesthesiology Salt Lake City
Univ of Utah, Medical Center Utah 84102
Salt Lake City, UT 84132 (801)531-7086
(801)585-5444
(801)585-5445
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Achar Ramachandra
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: Achar Ramachandra (ac...@doe.carleton.ca) wrote:
: : Prof Holla brought lot of name/fame to RVCE during his tenure
: : as principal, stretching over 12 years. I still remeber the way he
:
: Dear Achar,
: I have no second thoughts in the admistrative capabilities
: of prof.Holla. Also I agree that his tenure brought about a big
: change in RVCE in general. However I do not think he was "just"
: in his actions. He was a man who was under the control of the
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: RVCE management and did overlook the academic capabilities of
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: his students. I strongly believe that the govt quota students
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: at RVCE were grossly neglected.
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Dinesh, this is a very unfortunate posting from you and I simply
don't know what prompted you to do this. Let me briefly tell in
one line that how much ever a man does good, one can always find
hundreds of faults in that. All depends on the way one looks at it.
Name me one principal in our universities who had free hand to deal
at his complete liberty. Holla was bound to be under the control
of RV trust as he was a principal in an institution under the RV trust.
Regarding his neglecting academic capabilities of his students,
I can only tell you to compare the current RV standards with those
of early eighties. I wonder that how you can make a statement
that Govt quota students are grossly neglected...... I myself,
was a govt quota student. I would without any hesitation tell
that I would not have enjoyed the facilities and the encouragement
that I got at RV, at any other institution in Bangalore University.
Holla introduced the scheme of awarding the toppers in all the branches
with some attractive cash prizes. I suppose you also have won the
same many times.... I have ample examples of Holla helping deserving
students at their critical times. In fact he changed the goonda
image of RVCE to today's most decent insttution in Bangalore university.
Don't you agree that the examinations are conducted in a very strict
environment at RVCE today, unlike at other colleges in Bangalore univ.
:Only those talents which brought some medals to the collection in his
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:office were the pampered ones.
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It would be better if you tell that he was full of encouragement
to those talented ones, to excel in their area of activity.
Didn't you feel proud to watch RV lad ANIL KUMBLE striking againist
South Africa so wonderfully.....?? Didn't you feel proud when five
of RV boys played for Bangalore univ cricket team and three were named
for the Karnataka Ranaji cricket team at the same time .....!! Didn't you
feel proud while RV team marched ahead to the finals of National level
quiz competition.... How did you feel when a RV boy, CHETAN BABBUR
represented the Indian team in Table Tennis contests..... Was it a small
thing for a college to have 4 basket ball players in its university
team....?? Was it not a matter of pride to see RV cultural activities
team bagging trophies after trophies in most of the state/university
cultural contests?? Tell me which other institution in Karnataka has
excelled so well in these fronts..... He was also instrumental in
holding the annual convention of computer society of India, state
level Engineering institutions exhibitions.... at RVCE. Didn't you
share the pride when RV bagged awards for the maximum blood donation
for three consecutive years....!! Name me one engineering college
which took part in the ambitious program of govt of India's MPFL program.
(Mass Functional Program for Literacy to drive out illiteracy).
But RV took part in this also, and that too very effectively...
Don't you feel that Holla deserves credit for all these things?
Looking at the above RV achievements, it wouldn't be wrong if
I tell that Holla was right in giving the much needed inspirations....
It is same we people who make the same old comment that why the
hell India couldn't win even a single medal in Olympics.... why the
hell India is loosing to Pakistan every time in Hockey/cricket matches...
Why the hell India couldn't produce a good athlete..... Why the hell
India is so poor in Tennis/TT games.......... And it is same we people
now are making this such a sad comment that "he was only pampering those
who have talents....", about a person who was instrumental in RV's
contributing to so many games at the international level.... Nothing
can be ironic or sad than this. This is where the attitude and how one
looks at the matter comes into picture..... We better grow up, at least
to recognize the genuine services to this societey....
:Also he was notorious in meeting only those
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: influential people who brought in money and fame to the college.
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Can you name even one principal in Bangalore university who
was availble to students as free as Holla.....!! As I mentioned
in earlier posting, students even used to disturb him even during
the midnight, for many reasons. Any student could go to his chamber,
if he were free... Of course he was very strict in outrightly rejecting
the pleas for currying the favor... Was it his fault?
: Not to forget the famous issue which brought him into light
: in the local newspapers. He was supposed to have been involved
: in a examination malpractice wherein answer papers were exchanged.
: As far as I remember the affected student committed suicide.
: When this incident occured he vanished into thin air for almost
: a week during which it is beleived that the trust paid heavily
: to get the newspapers shut their mouth. He should have retired
: then I feel. Imagine the plight of the suffering parents of the
: dead student.
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Was it proved that Holla was guilty.....??
Are you wondering about Narsimha Rao still continuing as our cheering prime
minister even after the thunderous assault by Hashad Mehta.???
Don't make allegations in the air or do you have the proof that
trust paid heavily to shut the mouth of newspapers. Court never upheld
his guiltiness. You were a RV student at that time. DID YOU EVER REGISTER A
TOKEN OF YOUR PROTEST AT THAT TIME? Then why are you making this public
allegation now, out of air...???
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: Another incident worth mentioning is when a student
: in EE died by drowning in a freak accident at Goa in 89-90.
: He calmly announced in the college that the college had nothing
: to do with the incident other than mourn for him. Instead he should
: have stopped this bogus industrial tours or try to make them
: worthwhile in future. I agree that the fault may have been
: with the affected student or it may have been a totally
: accidental case.....I mean rare case. But the greatness of
: a head of a institution lies in accepting the truth rather
: than cover things up.
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What do you mean here covering up ? Do you know that Holla
was a strong advocator for the removal of Industrial tours
component in the evaluation system of Mech engg and other branches in
Bangalore university ? It was an essential comoponent of the system
and Holla couldn't have intervened. If the students even at the age
of 22 wants to freak out in the name of academic tour I suppose
even you cann't help for this if you were the head. It is ridiculous
to blame Holla for this. After his strict instructions to all the
departments, the tours other than the essential industrial tours,
by other departments were denied. Even then the students used to go
on some un-official tours, and also they used to even get some instructors
to along with them(otherwise the parents wouldn't allow their wards).
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:Holla may have done more good things in life than his misdeeds, but unfort-
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:tunately a man in this society will always be remembered for his misdeeds.
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Most unfortunate thing is that our people have the attitude of only
fault-finding rather than apreciating the landmark achievements.... What
a tragedy!!
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:Nevertheless, I will remain a proud RVCEian.
: -Dinesh
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Dinesh, I never thought that your posting would elicit such a long
rejoinder from me. It hardly matters for me whether Holla is recognized
because of remarkable achievements or because of some minor pitfalls
during his career. I remeber a good saying in Kannda,
"Ellara Maneya Dosenoo Toothe....". It would be better to all of us,
instead of counting how many holes are in Dosa's, if we start relishing
the taste of the same.......
Kindly don't mean any offense in my reply. Let us desist from posting
anything that spoils the reputation of our alma-mater. If we cann't
contribute any good to the same, at least, let us not spoil it.
.....Ramachandra Achar
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Balu Subramanya
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>Achar Ramachandra (ac...@doe.carleton.ca) wrote:
>: Prof Holla brought lot of name/fame to RVCE during his tenure
>in a examination malpractice wherein answer papers were exchanged.
>As far as I remember the affected student committed suicide.
> Another incident worth mentioning is when a student
>in EE died by drowning in a freak accident at Goa in 89-90.
>He calmly announced in the college that the college had nothing
>to do with the incident other than mourn for him. Instead he should
>have stopped this bogus industrial tours or try to make them
>worthwhile in future. I agree that the fault may have been
Dinesha,
I think you got too excited over Mr. Holla. It is very hard to know
what happened in the suicide case; rumours get exaggerated
exponentially :-)
But, definitely his response to the accident was the most logical
(and not too difficult) anyone could have taken. The industrial
tours, even though grossly inadequate were probably the best of
the 4 years of engg education considering a lot of (~70%) of
just-about-to-graduate engg students have no clue or concept of
what engineering is all about.
just my 3.14 cents worth.
Cheers!
Balu
PS: I am no fan of Holla.
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std disclaimer: I don't speak for NASA or Hughes.
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Achar Ramachandra
: Subject: Re: RVCE Holla ??
: Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
: References: <2rig7r$6...@u.cc.utah.edu> <Cq4B5...@cunews.carleton.ca>
: Dear Achar,
: Honestly, I do not want to make a big issue and defame
: Holla in any way. If you go over my mail again you see that
: I never doubted the administrative capabilities of Holla and
: admit that he was the best head of a institution.
: This will be my last rejoiner to the raised issues and
: I do not wish to get in to any sort of debate. If necessary
: I am willing to discuss this on personal level and agree with
: you not to pull down our alma-mater.
: I know you too well and we have worked together in the
: past several times at college. You were in no doubt one of Holla's
: favorite students. And I can understand that you held him in
: high esteem. Unlike you, my feelings are based on looking at
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: the coin from both sides.
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Hi Dinesh!
:-)) :-))
I suppose you are thinking that I am looking at only side of the coin.
Since two sides in this case are not at all equal, I just tried to compare
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which face here is shining more..... Thats' all.....
: : for three consecutive years....!! Name me one engineering college
: : which took part in the ambitious program of govt of India's MPFL program.
: : (Mass Functional Program for Literacy to drive out illiteracy).
: : But RV took part in this also, and that too very effectively...
: I think you deserve credit for this Achar. You were the
: sole person for making this a success.
Thanks for the same. But for Holla's and Shivashankars' support,
it wouldn't have met with the success.....
: : even you cann't help for this if you were the head.
:
: Are you making decisions for me??? Given a chance, I surely
: would not have made these mistakes.
:-)) That is too good. I have confidence in you.
: : ----------------------------
:
: So who is to be blamed now......The helpless parents
: who believed that their ward was under the able surpervision
: OR the instructors who had no other choice OR the persons
: who could have put a stop to this but did not do so until
: they learned it the hard way???
Some times one has to accept the hard facts :-))
:
: Achar, I strongly believe in the essense of life. If
: you can save one life in this world, you have lived
: your life to the full extent.
I second you here to 100% extent. But, for the accidental incidents,
it is not good to point out at one person. More over there were efforts
to reduce such incidents.
: : :Holla may have done more good things in life than his misdeeds, but unfort-
: : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: : :tunately a man in this society will always be remembered for his misdeeds.
: : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: : Most unfortunate thing is that our people have the attitude of only
: : fault-finding rather than apreciating the landmark achievements.... What
: : a tragedy!!
: Looks like you have refined my statement above conveying the same
: message. Again, I will emphasize that Holla may have done a
: lot of godd things, however it is for every individual to look
: at both the good and bad images of an individual and make his
: own decisions.
:-)) , Again, it would be better to give credits to the land mark achievements,
rather than telling too much about the minor pit falls, which I feel
is not just. Of course, as you said, every one has his freedom to judge
according to his own wit.
: : "Ellara Maneya Dosenoo Toothe....". It would be better to all of us,
: : instead of counting how many holes are in Dosa's, if we start relishing
: : the taste of the same.......
: Inappropriate example since.......More the "Thootha's" better
: the dosa.
You are right.... :-) But, now I have a doubt that why this
popular maxim is in use. I was thinking that 'thootha's represent
the errors, and it it would be impossible for anyone to make a
dosa without a thoota. I mean to say that most people are succeptible
to errors in their career. Did I err in the logic ???
: : Let us desist from posting
: : anything that spoils the reputation of our alma-mater. If we cann't
: : contribute any good to the same, at least, let us not spoil it.
: Yes, Let us also not make Gods out of Good People like Holla.
Yaup.... But who were trying to make him a god? Was
just trying to tell to those who were unaware, that Holla
retired and just added few lines of appreciations to his service.
This is last posting of mine too on this issue. BTW, I tried to contact
you through Dinesh....@m.cc.utah.edu, but was bouncing. I will try
with other address. Hope you didn't feel bad for my being little harsh
in my previous response.
Regards......Ramachandra Achar
: Dinesh Haryadi
: Bioengineering Lab 130 S, 1300 E, Apt #401
: Dept. of Anesthesiology Salt Lake City
: Univ of Utah, Medical Center Utah 84102
: Salt Lake City, UT 84132 (801)531-7086
: (801)585-5444
: (801)585-5445
: ************************************************************************
: Confused Minds are the source of all inventions
: ************************************************************************
Dinesh Haryadi
Subject: Re: RVCE Holla ??
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
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Dear Achar,
Honestly, I do not want to make a big issue and defame
Holla in any way. If you go over my mail again you see that
I never doubted the administrative capabilities of Holla and
admit that he was the best head of a institution.
This will be my last rejoiner to the raised issues and
I do not wish to get in to any sort of debate. If necessary
I am willing to discuss this on personal level and agree with
you not to pull down our alma-mater.
I know you too well and we have worked together in the
past several times at college. You were in no doubt one of Holla's
favorite students. And I can understand that you held him in
high esteem. Unlike you, my feelings are based on looking at
the coin from both sides.
: Dinesh, this is a very unfortunate posting from you and I simply
: don't know what prompted you to do this. Let me briefly tell in
Truth can be bitter at times.
: for three consecutive years....!! Name me one engineering college
: which took part in the ambitious program of govt of India's MPFL program.
: (Mass Functional Program for Literacy to drive out illiteracy).
: But RV took part in this also, and that too very effectively...
I think you deserve credit for this Achar. You were the
sole person for making this a success.
: : Not to forget the famous issue which brought him into light
: : in the local newspapers. He was supposed to have been involved
: : in a examination malpractice wherein answer papers were exchanged.
: : As far as I remember the affected student committed suicide.
: : When this incident occured he vanished into thin air for almost
: : a week during which it is beleived that the trust paid heavily
: : to get the newspapers shut their mouth. He should have retired
: : then I feel. Imagine the plight of the suffering parents of the
: : dead student.
: ------------
: Was it proved that Holla was guilty.....??
: Are you wondering about Narsimha Rao still continuing as our cheering prime
: minister even after the thunderous assault by Hashad Mehta.???
: Don't make allegations in the air or do you have the proof that
: trust paid heavily to shut the mouth of newspapers. Court never upheld
: his guiltiness. You were a RV student at that time. DID YOU EVER REGISTER A
: TOKEN OF YOUR PROTEST AT THAT TIME? Then why are you making this public
: allegation now, out of air...???
: ------------
The judicial system in india is one of the worlds most
corrupted one. When Rajiv Gandhi could escape from the
Bofors scandal unscratched, why not any tom-dick-harry???
I personally do not have the resources to do an extensive
CBI study to see if Holla was really involved in the
incident. But remember that there cannot be smoke without
any fire.
Secondly, making a formal protest in a private college
like RVCE where your internal scores and various other
issues lies in the hands of the fortunate tormentors
is out of question.
: : Another incident worth mentioning is when a student
: : in EE died by drowning in a freak accident at Goa in 89-90.
: : He calmly announced in the college that the college had nothing
: : to do with the incident other than mourn for him. Instead he should
: : have stopped this bogus industrial tours or try to make them
: : worthwhile in future. I agree that the fault may have been
: : with the affected student or it may have been a totally
: : accidental case.....I mean rare case. But the greatness of
: : a head of a institution lies in accepting the truth rather
: : than cover things up.
: ----------------------------
: What do you mean here covering up ?
Did the blame go onto anybody's head. Were people fired???
Were the affected hearts soothed ??
The answer is NO.....Classes were let off and a busload
of students visited the family. The incident was covered
up and nobody ever even looked into the pot again.
I agree with Balu's posting here that Industrial
visits are an important learning phase in ones
education. But surely roaming on the beaches of
Goa is not techical education.
: Do you know that Holla
: was a strong advocator for the removal of Industrial tours
: component in the evaluation system of Mech engg and other branches in
: Bangalore university ? It was an essential comoponent of the system
: and Holla couldn't have intervened. If the students even at the age
: of 22 wants to freak out in the name of academic tour I suppose
: even you cann't help for this if you were the head.
Are you making decisions for me??? Given a chance, I surely
would not have made these mistakes.
: on some un-official tours, and also they used to even get some instructors
: to along with them(otherwise the parents wouldn't allow their wards).
: ----------------------------
So who is to be blamed now......The helpless parents
who believed that their ward was under the able surpervision
OR the instructors who had no other choice OR the persons
who could have put a stop to this but did not do so until
they learned it the hard way???
If a member of your family gets affected what would
be your reaction?? Were your hard earned tution bills
at someones mercy??? Do you want to hear that all the
love and affection and time (~20yrs) you put into in
bringing up your child was crushed?? Your dreams vanished
into thin air??
Achar, I strongly believe in the essense of life. If
you can save one life in this world, you have lived
your life to the full extent.
: :Holla may have done more good things in life than his misdeeds, but unfort-
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: :tunately a man in this society will always be remembered for his misdeeds.
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: Most unfortunate thing is that our people have the attitude of only
: fault-finding rather than apreciating the landmark achievements.... What
: a tragedy!!
Looks like you have refined my statement above conveying the same
message. Again, I will emphasize that Holla may have done a
lot of godd things, however it is for every individual to look
at both the good and bad images of an individual and make his
own decisions.
: "Ellara Maneya Dosenoo Toothe....". It would be better to all of us,
: instead of counting how many holes are in Dosa's, if we start relishing
: the taste of the same.......
Inappropriate example since.......More the "Thootha's" better
the dosa.
: Kindly don't mean any offense in my reply.
The same here.......just Balu's 3.14 cent worth......
: Let us desist from posting
: anything that spoils the reputation of our alma-mater. If we cann't
: contribute any good to the same, at least, let us not spoil it.
Yes, Let us also not make Gods out of Good People like Holla.
: ************************************************************************
: Confused Minds are the source of all messing-ups :-))
: ************************************************************************
When you mess things up, you come up with something new and
it is called "invention".
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Dinesh G. Haryadi
Dinesh....@m.cc.utah.edu
dhar...@soma.med.utah.edu
Bioengineering Lab 130 S, 1300 E, Apt #401
