BBC: Taiwan Protests Over Google Maps

[Dioneae muscipula]

On October 4, 2005, Caroline Gluck from Taipei reported for BBC that
Taiwan has asked Google to stop referring to the island as a province
on its map web site Google Maps.

Read the article in
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4308678.stm

According to Bloomberg report in
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aLNkyHFehH78
Debbie Frost, spokeswoman for Google, said "We rely on international
naming conventions to find a consistent policy." She did not comment
on whether Google plans to change the names.

Google does not yet have any operations inside China.

[charl...@my-deja.com]

Then Google didn't do this because of China did it? I grew up knowing
Taiwan as "Taiwan Province", and a giant map that included outer
Mongolia as territory.

Taiwan is a province of Republic of CHINA. Should we go thru the ROC
constitution again?

[Dioneae muscipula]

On October 6, 2005, InfoWorld, citing the report by Dan Nystedt for IDG
News Service, reported that Google is now seeking talks with Taiwan
over Google Maps.

Read the article in
http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/10/06/HNgoogleseekstalks_1.html

An outline:
* Google Maps refers to the island as "Taiwan, Province of
China", while Taiwanese officials insist its name should
read simply "Taiwan".
* A Google spokeswoman said on Wednesday, "We've already
received a few e-mails. But until today, we had not
received any communication from Taiwanese officials
regarding this matter. We made contact with them this
morning and look forward to hearing and understanding
their concerns."
* Taiwanese officials said they contacted Google last
month and raised the issue again a few days ago.
* Google said it generally follows international naming
conventions such as ISO-3166.
* In the past Google has compromised to keep the peace
among users for the mapping services. The article
used "Sea of Japan" (for Japanese) and "East Sea" (for
Koreans) as an example.

[don_t...@hotmail.com]

charl...@my-deja.com 寫道：

The constitution has been revised a couple of times. Today, Taiwan IS
NOT a province of ROC, rahter it IS the ROC itself (although in name
only and not in the least the spirit).

And internationally it's known as just "Taiwan" among the
non-diplomatically related countries.

[Dioneae muscipula]

On October 6, 2005, April Lynch of Mercury News contributed the report
that Google's ambitious global mapping effort still cannot escape old
politics, and Taiwan is demanding the search engine change its settings
for Google Maps, which displays the name "Taiwan, Province of China".

Read the news in
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/12839232.htm

An outline:
* By listing Taiwan as it did on Google Maps, the company
has found itself in the middle of one of Asia's trickiest
political problems.
* Many other maps and Web sites reflect Taiwan's delicate
balancing act. The U.S. State Department's online
information on Taiwan gives the island its own separate
country page, while stating the U.S. position vis-a-vis
both Taiwan and China.
* Some other online maps simply list the island as "Taiwan"
without wading into issues of political domain.

[yellowtail sashimi]

More accurate: Taiwan, Protectorate of USA

[charl...@my-deja.com]

don_t...@hotmail.com wrote:
> charl...@my-deja.com 寫道：
>
> > Dioneae muscipula wrote:
> > > On October 4, 2005, Caroline Gluck from Taipei reported for BBC that
> > > Taiwan has asked Google to stop referring to the island as a province
> > > on its map web site Google Maps.
> > >
> > > Read the article in
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4308678.stm
> > >
> > > According to Bloomberg report in
> > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aLNkyHFehH78
> > > Debbie Frost, spokeswoman for Google, said "We rely on international
> > > naming conventions to find a consistent policy." She did not comment
> > > on whether Google plans to change the names.
> > >
> > > Google does not yet have any operations inside China.
> >
> > Then Google didn't do this because of China did it? I grew up knowing
> > Taiwan as "Taiwan Province", and a giant map that included outer
> > Mongolia as territory.
> >
> > Taiwan is a province of Republic of CHINA. Should we go thru the ROC
> > constitution again?
>
>
> The constitution has been revised a couple of times.

More than a couple times.

> Today, Taiwan IS NOT a province of ROC,

Are you sure? I read the constitution and it has many provisions which
regard Taiwan as Taiwan province. Don't embarrass yourself like this,
go read the ROC constitution.

[Don Strevel]

I hear Taiwan, and from older people, Formosa. I personally feel that
Google will defer to Beijing... as a business decision.

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[charl...@my-deja.com]

Don Strevel wrote:
> I hear Taiwan, and from older people, Formosa.

I was born in Taiwan, and I grew up hearing Republic of China, and
Taiwan Province.

> I personally feel that
> Google will defer to Beijing... as a business decision.

Google currently has no business presence in China.

[Dioneae muscipula]

On October 11, 2005, April Lynch for San Jose Mercury News reported
that Google has changed its global map service to remove politics out
of its geography. On Monday a search of Google Maps service shows only
the map of the island, labeled simply "Taiwan", compared to "Taiwan,
Province of China" in the past.

Read the whole article in
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/12871978.htm

An outline of the story:
* Google Spokeswoman Debbie Frost confirmed the shift,
saying it reflected a broad change in what Google
users see when any map is viewed.
* Taiwan, also known as the Republic of China, separated
from China in 1949.
* The recent Google change is broader than just a fix of
the Taiwan map.

[raymo...@gmail.com]

Taiwan is an independent sovereign entity with independence governing
body; fully free election on their legislative representatives, multi
political system, and most of all, freedom to speech, relocation, and
religion. Those are the blessing to all Taiwanese and the nightmare of

Communist Chinese.

Taiwan is a province of Global village, not phantom ROC, absolutely not
Communist China, the few existing countries that only one single
political party
dictates without choice.

We condemn Google Management, who kneel down the de facto political
pressure from Red China where more than 50,000 Internet police are
working full time to suffocate the freedom of media and speech around
the clock. Google bunch, the total ignorance of human right only pursue
search without conscientiousness.

[charl...@my-deja.com]

raymo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Taiwan is an independent sovereign entity with independence governing
> body; fully free election on their legislative representatives, multi
> political system, and most of all, freedom to speech, relocation, and
> religion. Those are the blessing to all Taiwanese and the nightmare of
>
> Communist Chinese.
>
> Taiwan is a province of Global village, not phantom ROC, absolutely not
> Communist China, the few existing countries that only one single
> political party
> dictates without choice.
>
> We condemn Google

Hehe, how ironic you are using a gmail account. Be a man, get rid of
your google mail account.

[Guru Google]

charl...@my-deja.com wrote:

> raymo...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Taiwan is a province of Global village, not phantom ROC, absolutely not
> > Communist China, the few existing countries that only one single
> > political party
> > dictates without choice.
> >
> > We condemn Google
>
> Hehe, how ironic you are using a gmail account. Be a man, get rid of
> your google mail account.

The funy thing here is Charles Liu can condemn protest USA as a USA
citizen but he dont think Raymond can condemn Google with gmail
account.

Maybe Charles Liu know he is not a man. ^_^

[Guru Google]

charl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Don Strevel wrote:
> > I hear Taiwan, and from older people, Formosa.
>
> I was born in Taiwan, and I grew up hearing Republic of China, and
> Taiwan Province.

We assuem Charles Liu is gonna press Google map to write "Taiwan,
province of ROC" there.

> > I personally feel that
> > Google will defer to Beijing... as a business decision.
>
> Google currently has no business presence in China.

Too bad Kai-fu Lee lose his job, according to Charles Liu. ^_^

[demor...@aol.com]

charl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> raymo...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Taiwan is an independent sovereign entity with independence governing
> > body; fully free election on their legislative representatives, multi
> > political system, and most of all, freedom to speech, relocation, and
> > religion. Those are the blessing to all Taiwanese and the nightmare of
> >
> > Communist Chinese.
> >
> > Taiwan is a province of Global village, not phantom ROC, absolutely not
> > Communist China, the few existing countries that only one single
> > political party
> > dictates without choice.
> >
> > We condemn Google
>
> Hehe, how ironic you are using a gmail account. Be a man, get rid of
> your google mail account.

No need for Raymond to cancel his google mail account since Google has
fixed the inaccuracy:

http://news.techwhack.com/2212/121012-google-fixes-taiwan-identification-problem-on-google-maps/

[abia...@my-deja.com]

Guru Google has logic problem [as usual]. Charles Liu as a US citizen
pays taxes to IRS etc, he has fulfilled his duties, therefore, he has
rights to criticize USA. RaymondC has used Google's email account for
free but in the meantime, he criticized Google maps on Taiwan. They
are completely different things. It would be nice for RaymondC to say
I condemned Google and gave up Google email account, of course, he does
not have to do it because Google has fixed the problem.

[Dioneae muscipula]

On October 19, 2005, China Daily reported that Google's decision to
update its mapping on Taiwan has drawn rage from Chinese officials.

Read more details in
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-10/19/content_486241.htm

An outline of this document:
* News reports indicate Google made the changes under
pressure of extremists in Taiwan's pan-Green camp.
* Peng Keyu, consul general of the Chinese consulate
in San Francisco, voiced objection to the Google
decision.
* Google spokesman Debbie Frost claimed that this
alteration was just a "regular update" of all of
the site's map pages rather than a deliberate effort
to specially update the Taiwan page.
* Many Chinese online readers wrote at the popular
sina.com and sohu.com chatrooms suggesting boycotting
Google's China service.

[Dioneae muscipula]

On October 20, 2005, citing the article by AP Business Writer Michael
Liedtke, Winnipeg Sun reported that Google Inc.'s online mapping
service has now become entangled in a dispute between China and Taiwan.

Read the story in
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/TechNews/Internet/2005/10/20/1270898-ap.html
where it wrote,

......
Although initially disappointed with the change, the
Chinese government now understands it's part of a
product upgrade after discussing the issue with
Google, a spokesman for China's San Francisco
consulate said Wednesday. "We continue to think
it's important to recognize Taiwan is part of China,"
Qiang Wang said.
......

[Pajerla]

China won't touch Taiwan unless it wants to go back to the stone age.
Taiwan has over 60 nuclear warheads that yield 500 kilotons each.

Pajerla

On 5 Oct 2005 18:12:15 -0400, "Dioneae muscipula"