armenian musicians

[MARTIN RUCKER]

barev dear ng-visitors,

i'm student of comparensive musicology in bamberg germany, adoring
persian-influenced music, among especially the music of armenia.
i'm looking for contacts to musicians, self trying my into playing the Duduk
(without the Dam). who can give my any deeper instructions?
cool that your komitas vardapet studied in berlin.

who is the new president? whould some curdish groups in westarmenia revolt
if iraq gets american?

ctesutjun,

martin rucker

[RM]

Welcome to our NG, Martin. - to warn you right ahead- we got our own
clouns, like Wolf "The European" so dont expect much from it.. people
like him flood this NG and many others with endless propaganda,
crossposting it all over the net...

"MARTIN RUCKER" <96...@tiscali.de> wrote in message news:<b388ui$2oml$1...@innferno.news.tiscali.de>...

> barev dear ng-visitors,
>
> i'm student of comparensive musicology in bamberg germany, adoring
> persian-influenced music, among especially the music of armenia.
> i'm looking for contacts to musicians, self trying my into playing the Duduk
> (without the Dam). who can give my any deeper instructions?

I guess to learn how to play duduk you have to travel to Armenia,
Martin :)

> cool that your komitas vardapet studied in berlin.
>
> who is the new president?

wait for 2 weeks and we shall see. Right now its not certain who won
the elections. I think the process wasn't really free, and for sure
they were violatons. You see, people who dont want to leave the
"plate", and I also think that it would be probably better if
Kocharian would rule for further more, at least he is NOT hungry
anymore, maybe the stability and economic groth is more important
right now....

>whould some curdish groups in westarmenia revolt
> if iraq gets american?

They probably should.

> ctesutjun,
>
> martin rucker

[RM]

Here is a site for you:

Learn The Art Of Armenian Duduk Playing
Easy & Quick Course of Armenian Duduk lessons

Beginners to Professionals will benefit from this informative
instructional video, that can be referred to again and again.

http://www.mksduduks.com/Arm-music-ins/Duduk/DidikVideo/index.html

[Ja...@webtv.net]

I think WolfWolf and choro-nik would definitely benefit from this
course, since they so much love to BLOW hot air. Would you like to blow
on my DUDUK choro-nik? : )

Jay-K

[choro-nik]

The "düdük" you are playing is a Turkish one. Look it up in any Turkish
dictionary! You don't even seem to have an Armenian word for it!

My other instrument you can do a blow job on is also a "düdük", whereas
yours is a "fagotto"!

Carry on making music on Turkish "düdük"! You obviously enjoin blowing on
Turkish "düdük"!

Incidentally make sure you click View>Encoding>Turkish ISO or Turkish
(Windows) so that you can see exactly how the word (which is actually
Turkish) is written.

Good day Jay-K!
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choro-nik
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<Ja...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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[Ja...@webtv.net]

Duduk is an Armenian Word Miss Bullshiter. It is like you're saying
Constantinople is Turkish. Moush, Ardahan, Van, Ani, Adana is Turkish,
Famagousta is Turkish, Northern Cyprus is Turkish. Damn, almost forgot,
Las Vegas is Turkish, So is Des Moines , Iowa, and Columbus, Nebraska.
You need to start blowing on a Duduk.

Jay-K

[choro-nik]

Well, well, Jay-K! There are bullshitters and then there are Jay-Ks!!!!!

Please spell the word correctly! It is Turkish and it is spelled DÜDÜK!

I told you, look it up in any Turkish dictionary and don't forget to look up
the etymology!
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choro-nik
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<Ja...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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[Ja...@webtv.net]

You see Miss Vasif-choro-nik, unlike the Armenians or the Greeks, Your
'Prefabricated' Turkish nation doesn't even own up its own alphabet to
be proud of, leave alone the etymology of Duduk. As a matter of
fact,Your Holy Koran is in Arabic, and your alphabet is in Latin. You
people are originally from the East, And now fighting to be considered
part of the EU family. Sweetheart, I'm not reading your Turkish
dictionary. Thank You.

Jay-K

[choro-nik]

<Ja...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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You'd do well to stick to the subject matter on hand rather than resort to
dirty language. As I said earlier you'd do better to look up the etymology
of "düdük". I think you will find out that it IS a Turkish word.

If Turks use any musical instruments that are fundamentally Armenian, I
wouldn't consider an affront if an Armenian pointed out that the origin of
the name of that particular instrument were Armenian. In fact I would
consider it rather interesting.
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choro-nik
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[Ja...@webtv.net]

Look, as I said before your Turkish nation doesn't even own up its own
alphabet to be proud of. Duduk is Armenian, Constantinople is Greek,
Famagusta is Cypriot, Moush, Van, Ardahan, Nakicevan, karabakh, Javakh
is Armenian, and one more word out of you about duduk, I'm gonna stick
my trumpet up your tuba.

Jay-K

[choro-nik]

<Ja...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Look, as I said before your Turkish nation doesn't even own up its own
> alphabet to be proud of.

re the Latin Alphabet used in Turkish

Most of Europe, all of the Americas, Australia, New Zealand and a host of
other countries world wide use the Latin alphabet. May be it is about time
that Armenians too changed over to the Latin alphabet like Turks did nearly
a century ago. Not that the old Ottoman alphabet was bad.

>Duduk is Armenian,

No sir, DÜDÜK is a Turkish word for a Turkish musical instrument. The word
is such a basic word in the language that it exists in Turkish proverbs and
sayings.

>Constantinople is Greek,

Constantinople was BYZANTINE but Istanbul is Turkish, if you didn't know!

> Famagusta is Cypriot, Moush, Van, Ardahan, Nakicevan, karabakh, Javakh
> is Armenian, and one more word out of you about duduk, I'm gonna stick
> my trumpet up your tuba.

You can try but if you are really horny you will find that YOUR fagotto is
more readily accessible!
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choro-nik
*******

>
> Jay-K
>

[Ja...@webtv.net]

Armenian language was invented in 404 by Mesrob Mashdots, It is a
unique and beautiful language, and is not shared with other nations. It
holds a very high place among the most accurate means of expressing
human thoughts. We have no intentions to switch over to Latin. Turks on
the other hand were too Dumb to invent their own language, Therefore,
they resorted themselves in adopting Arabic language during the Ottoman
era, and then switching over to Latin in the latter years.

The Byzantines on the other hand, A Greek colonist led by the Byzas
established the colony of Byzantium. It became part of the Roman Empire
in early 100's and Constantinople (derived from Constantine the Great)
became the Capital of Byzantium in 306. So, you see choro-nik Istanbul
may be a Turkish word but the City's ownership is Greek.

An Armenian Gentleman e-mailed me a very informative article regading
the etymology of duduk and I would like to share it with you. According
to the gentleman," Duduk" is short for Russian word "Dudochka" meaning
"Pipe", thus the word duduk. As you see choro-nik the word "Duduk" is
not Turkish. I hope this explains the etymology of "Duduk". I believe I
have concluded playing all the right notes.

Thanks Arman for the input.

Jay-K

[choro-nik]

So at last you admit that DÜDÜK is not of Armenian in origin. My gut feeling
is that Doudouchka in Russian is also of Turkish origin. I may look further
into it if I get the opportunity. I wonder whether I still remember the
Cyrillic script to be able to look it up in a Russian Etymological
dictionary.

Languages are hardly "invented" as you claim. They evolve over millennia. I
doubt that any one person "invented" Armenian as you claim. The only
language that was "put together" is Esperanto and even that is hardly an
"invented" language.

You are resorting to illogicality in your thinking.

Istanbul, the city, is within the Republic of Turkey and is therefore
Turkish by definition. It was the capital city of the Byzantine Empire once
but what you fail to point out is that it existed long before the Byzantine
Empire came into being. The Byzantine Emperor Constantine merely renamed it
Constantinopolis and the Turks renamed it Istanbul. Why don't you tell the
Americans to rename New York back to New Amsterdam?

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choro-nik
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<Ja...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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[Ja...@webtv.net]

Folks, early yesterday on this thread I wrote ," Armenian language was
invented in 404 by Mesrob Mashdots." My apologies, meant to say the
Armenian Alphabet that was invented in 404 by Mashdots.
I guess one more strike and I'm out...Right, Arman? : )

Jay-K

[Ja...@webtv.net]

Oulan choro-nik, Dudugun anacinih bajisini sikim, oulan ghavameh sikdin
yaho. chokh ghonushyon beh. Ha sikdir. and have a good day : ) : ) : )

Jay-K

[choro-nik]

you are out already!

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choro-nik
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<Ja...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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[choro-nik]

I believe it is YOU who are talking too much, Jay-K. You'd do better playing
the DÜDÜK;-)

I've got a photo of DÜDÜKs -- actually these particular ones are the German
Blockenflaute or the old Italian Flauto (ma non traverso) or Recorders as
they call them in English -- of all sorts of shapes and sizes, and colors.

Would you like me to post it here so you can take your pick?!
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choro-nik
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<Ja...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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[Hell raised for TURKS]

You fucking turk when an Armenian tells you something listen and learn,
(sikim sana aghzena) keep it shtoom, you are getting almost as annoying as
your Azeri cousins "solders" a couple of years back, their tongues were much
shorter on their knees with their hand in the air, North London is not too
far!! ex teliwest, blueyonder client in north London have very narrow
choices of connectivity and can be traced effortlessly!

Try to learn from your Lover WolfWolf "Non European illegal émigré", he
bounces his stuff from all over the place, but soon he will make a mistake!

"choro-nik" <chor...@tvcom.net> wrote in message
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[choro-nik]

f-off you bastard!

you think you can scare me?

Go and shoot your president or prime minister. That would be more becoming
of an Armenian!

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choro-nik
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"Hell raised for TURKS" <koo...@bolor.terkerin> wrote in message
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[choro-nik]

A most interesting site! I learned quite a bit studying the photos of the
various instruments. But tell me the only sound clips I could find were of
the DAWOUL (drum) which you call DHOL. I was particularly intrigued by the
detailed photos of the DUDUK which seemed to have the body of the recorder
type of flute (the SHVI) but a more 'primitive' version of the double-reed
mouthpiece of the ZURNA. Is there anywhere on the site where I can hear the
particular sound of the DUDUK?
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choro-nik
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"RM" <lay...@skim.com> wrote in message
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[Hell raised for TURKS]

Yap I am really trying to scare you! You insignificant shit, if I
wanted to scare you I would have given you your post code and a bit of
your address not just north London.

As far as shooting is concerned, you are not worth the wasted ammo,
when it can be used to take out real shit heads like your mongrel
Azeri stable mates.

Finally choro-nik go eat shit and go to meet your maker, he is waiting
for you OK

Hellraiser

"choro-nik" <chor...@tvcom.net> wrote in message news:<RO4aa.19237$O6.1...@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...

[Ja...@webtv.net]

Hellraiser,there are two theories to arguing with a Turk, And neither
one works. choro-nik's one of 'em. Don't waste your time arguing with
them.

Jay-K

[RM]

http://zangezur.tripod.com/music/duduk.html

Any given track of Djivan Gasparian will provide you with the
particular sound of the DUDUK.

"choro-nik" <chor...@tvcom.net> wrote in message news:<qmmaa.553$MI3...@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...

[choro-nik]

Thank you very much indeed,RM. You are a gentleman!

I was very fascinated by the sound of the instrument as well as by the
tracks. I have saved both the music and photos for future reference.

I was very taken back by the soulful sound of the Duduk which was, to be
honest, not what I expected. Rather than the reedy Zourna sound, here was a
soulful sound. Music in Coolwind.mp3 is very typical of that part of the
world. I once heard Ney/Nay music very similar to the feelings expressed in
Coolwind. And you know what, suddenly I was taken back several decades!

With the result that I am at this very moment thinking what a crazy world
we live in!!!

Thank you once again!
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choro-nik
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"RM" <lay...@skim.com> wrote in message

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