http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/8853688p-8754302c.html
Yee Haw! It's about time.
Dallas
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These Federal Indictments will sure help out U.S. Attorney General,
Alberto Gonzales, who is about to get indicted himself, for using His
political office to fire 8 U.S. Attorneys because they refused to be
"Loyal Bushies".
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In this same page is the following relevant story, i.e. Alaskans
didn't want "No Misfits", they wanted ALL of them.
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Clearly there is No State More corrupt than Alaska and apparently that
is what they want because they keep re-electing them.
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When will the FBI go after Ted Stevens?
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"ALASKA WANTS NO MISFITS"
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5-18-99-Sanctuary Alaska, Nazis and Jews :
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'Alaska wants no misfits'
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http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/sanctuary/v-printer/story/8825926p-8726836c.html
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'Alaska wants no misfits'
Sanctuary - Alaska, the Nazis and the Jews
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(PHOTO)
These equestrians were part of the July 4th parade on 4th Ave in 1940.
Behind them is the Anchorage Hotel at 4th and E St. At that time, many
in the state wanted to stay out of the European war. ( )
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Soldiers parade on 4th Avenue near E St. in this photo from the
1940's. American soldiers poured into the territory during the prewar
military buildup.
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Alaska residents expressed worry that Jewish refugees would be unable
to assimilate into territorial society. ( )
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By Tom Kizzia
Anchorage Daily News
(Published: May 18, 1999)
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As members of the small Jewish community in Neustadt waited through
the early months of war for word on their application to immigrate to
Alaska, they learned of a frightening proposal by the local Nazi
authorities.
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The Jewish cemeteries in the region could be flattened and plowed
under for agriculture. The tombstones would make excellent sharpening
stones, one official said.
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Even for Jews who had remained in Germany through the first waves of
emigration, hoping things would get better, the message about the
future was plain.
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But in America, where the debate over opening the Alaska Territory to
immigrants gathered steam in the first months of World War II, nobody
spoke of saving people from death chambers.
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At the beginning of 1940, annihilation of the Jewish population was
not yet German government policy.
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In fact, some Nazi officials were weighing plans to deport the Jews en
masse to a new colony carved out on Poland's eastern frontier or to
the African island of Madagascar.
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Despite the outbreak of war, sealed trains carrying emigrants with
visas ran from Berlin through Paris to the Atlantic port of Lisbon.
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Concentration camps were filling with Communists and other
"undesirables," but they had not yet become machines for
extermination.
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Hitler had publicly threatened far worse. Yet for now, official policy
was forced emigration of the nation's remaining 200,000-plus Jews?an
early variant of what would later come to be known as "ethnic
cleansing."
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Not that the Germans made it easy for them to leave. Applicants were
stripped of wealth that might make them more appealing as settlers in
a new land.
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Nor was it easy to find somewhere to go. There were 309,782
applications for U.S. visas from Germany and Austria in the spring of
1940, according to a news wire story that appeared, among other
places, in The Anchorage Daily Times.
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Only 27,370 people from those countries would be allowed to immigrate
under U.S. quotas.
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Shortly before war began, the ocean liner St. Louis, filled with Jews
without visas, had been sent back to Europe from the eastern seaboard.
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The British were trying to placate Arab leaders by cutting off
emigration to Palestine. Other countries said they were full.
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The start of fighting created further obstacles. German U-boats sank
110 merchant ships in the first four months of war.
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In the United States, opponents of immigration began to warn of spies
slipping into the country through the "Trojan Horse" of refugee
quotas.
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As millions of additional Jews fell under German authority in the
Reich's sweep through Eastern Europe, the grand Nazi resettlement
schemes were quietly abandoned.
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Emigration, even deportation, became a grim public relations mask. The
Nazis began to systematically collect Jews and move them into urban
ghettos.
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In the midst of all this, the Alaska settlement plan appeared as a
peephole of light.
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>From Breslau, Germany, Joachim Hein wrote the Department of the
Interior asking to immigrate to Alaska with his wife, Anna, and
daughter, Henny.
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His letter, along with others, sits today in the National Archives.
"We shall in no way a burden for the country, because we take our
electric machines from here and furnish a manufacture in aprons and
linen, like we have had here. But if this business is not agreable
(sic) to your Excellency, we are prepared to every work." Hein added
that his daughter had "studied philosophy and is a teacher and she is
musical too."
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Moses Rudman wrote from the Bronx, N.Y., where he was staying with
relatives on a visitor's visa that would soon expire. His wife, Blume,
and daughter, Margot, were still in Germany. He asked the government
to reunite them in Alaska.
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In the central German town of Neustadt, Bruno Rosenthal continued to
wait for a reply to his inquiries on behalf of his family and friends.
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Finally, a letter from the Department of the Interior arrived, on
March 27, 1940. It said simply:
"We are trying to find out from the appropriate Governmental
authorities what disposition can be made of your request for
permission to immigrate to Alaska. Our inquiries have not been
answered yet. As soon as possible we will send you further
information."
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Rosenthal replied at once:
"We ... are registered by the American Consul for entering into the
United States and we are waiting for calling off. But we all have to
wait about one year and it is not possible to stay here longer. We are
anxious to go abroad immediately. I requested for permission to
immigrate to Alaska, because we are short of time. "Is it possible, to
deliver my request as an Immediate Request on Mr. President?"
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A 'Dumping ground'
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Mrs. Emma de la Vergne, the U.S. recorder at Fairbanks and an "old-
time resident of the North," was receptive when the Fairbanks Daily
News-Miner asked her about the new refugee idea.
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"Let the German-Jew refugees come to Alaska, if they want to. Alaska
is a big country. Give them a chance. If they cannot make a go of it,
they will leave."
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But Mrs. de la Vergne, the widow of a well-loved doctor, was in the
minority.
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Most other Fairbanksans quoted by the newspaper in November 1938
criticized the idea.
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For the next three years, it was hard to find anybody in Alaska with
anything favorable to say about opening the territory to refugees
fleeing Europe.
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"No use to make a dumping ground of this country," said Frank Frates,
a local miner.
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Fairbanks Mayor Leslie Nerland said the idea had as much appeal among
Alaskans as the old proposal to turn Alaska into a penal colony.
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Emma Miller, identified as "one of the leaders of the Fairbanks
younger social set," echoed a strong national sentiment when she said
America had enough problems already. "Why wish refugees of any sort
from Europe on any part of the United States?" she asked.
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"They are not the type of hardy Scandinavians who have had so much to
do with development of Alaska on their own initiative," said
postmaster Robert E. Sheldon, president of the Fairbanks Chamber of
Commerce.
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"Alaska wants no misfits and is unprepared to care for discards,"
concluded an editorial in Cap Lathrop's News-Miner.
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The Chambers of Commerce in Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau and Valdez
passed resolutions opposing the refugee plan.
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The Anchorage Chamber feared a colony made up entirely of immigrants,
which would "stifle assimilation and will prevent them from becoming
Americanised."
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The Juneau Chamber, citing recent experience with the federal
agricultural colony in the Matanuska Valley, predicted a heavy tax
burden would fall on the territory to support roads and schools.
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The Fairbanks Chamber would only support colonization by "financially
responsible individuals and groups," such as a proposed settlement by
Mormons.
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A few small-town chambers went the other way. Skagway and Petersburg
endorsed the Interior Department settlement plan, eager to develop
Alaska by any means possible.
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The Seward Chamber of Commerce cabled Ickes to declare that the Kenai
Peninsula could support a quarter-million additional inhabitants,
"regardless their creed or condition their personal finances."
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But, by and large, when Alaskans talked about refugees it was to find
problems. No one in the public record talked about finding a way to
make a resettlement plan work.
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One strike against the plan was that its chief backer, Interior
Secretary Harold Ickes, was widely distrusted in Alaska.
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It would not have come as a surprise to many territorial residents if
Ickes had dreamed up such a scheme not for humanitarian reasons but
simply to stir up his political opponents in the north.
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Critics questioned the Slattery Report's glib economic predictions.
They said unemployed workers were already swarming north looking for
jobs in military construction, overloading relief agencies.
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They complained that subsidies would be necessary?a possibility of
special concern to the Alaska Miners Association, which noted that its
members would likely carry much of the new tax burden.
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Some critics professed concern for the immigrants themselves, saying
they would suffer from "forced" colonization.
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Others predicted practical problems from having a special class of
citizen unable to travel freely to the states. Though all ship
passengers from Alaska routinely passed through customs at Seattle,
they complained that Alaskans would face the humiliation of carrying
special identification cards.
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The most common complaint in Alaska, however, was that the potential
immigrants?"of wholly alien racial and religious character," as one
business group put it?would not be able to adapt to harsh frontier
conditions.
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Ickes' clever ploy, pitching the program as an effort to build
Alaska's economy, had forced Alaskans to abandon their comfortable pro-
development rhetoric.
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Years later, University of Alaska historian Orlando Miller wrote that
Alaskans seemed almost forced into adopting anti-Semitism as a
strategy because a full discussion of the problems of new settlements
would contradict the old boosterism and faith in the frontier's
promise.
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"Our campaign to bring the needs of Alaska to the attention of the
Nation has succeeded almost too well," wrote the Juneau Empire.
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"Now we appear to be in danger of being run over by a juggernaut of
unwise and hasty schemes for colonization."
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"The question," Miller wrote, "was turned from whether Alaska was good
enough for refugee settlers to whether the settlers were good enough
for Alaska."
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Hence the Anchorage Pioneer Igloo said the aliens would be "a menace
to our American civilization" and the Fairbanks News-Miner said
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the proposal was "enough to make any true American and particularly
Alaskan think twice ... Keep Alaska American."
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Jewish voices unheard
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Jewish miners and traders had long played a role in the life of the
territory, of course.
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In fact, four of the seven partners in the San Francisco firm that
bought out the assets of the Russian American Co. in 1867 were
Jewish?as was Benjamin Levi, the young U.S. soldier who raised the
American flag over Sitka during the ceremony taking control of Alaska
from Russia.
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Critics of the colonization plan sometimes prefaced their remarks by
expressing indignation over "the brutalities heaped upon the Jews by
Germany."
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But resettlement efforts should point the European Jews toward warmer
climes, they said.
"Let others settle the Jewish problem," said the News-Miner, "but as
for Alaska, open the way for her to march on toward statehood with a
people schooled in American traditions and such as she can assimilate
and with whom she can build from the ground up with security and
solidarity."
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Throughout this time, Alaskans never heard the voices of people like
Bruno Rosenthal. They did not personally close the door in the face of
Rosel Lilienfeld and her sons.
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Many Alaskans seemed proud of their insular lives, and their
newspapers did little to drive home the plight of the individual
European Jew.
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"Editorials, news stories and the comments of businessmen and
politicians showed interests that rarely ventured beyond the
territory," wrote Miller,
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"that centered on the gossip and trade in the small towns, the level
of gold production, the size and value of the salmon catch, the high
freight rates, and the continuing wicked neglect of Alaska by the
federal government."
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One of the few personal accounts from Germany to run in The Anchorage
Times was an interview with the U.S. Commissioner from Yakutat, who
returned from a vacation in Germany with his wife and children in 1939
to report the people were "happy, well fed and with a great deal of
freedom."
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"You read all sorts of stories in this country about Germany which are
not the least bit true," Hardy Trefzger told the Times. "Nobody hated
Hitler more than I before we went to Germany, but when I saw how
things were, I changed my mind."
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To be sure, The Anchorage Times took no such position on the editorial
page, denouncing the Nazis' anti-Jewish actions as "savagery."
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But to Robert Atwood's Times, as to many Americans, such barbarism was
a European problem. Even as news of the latest German Panzer attacks
filled the Times' front page, the newspaper campaigned to keep America
out of the conflagration.
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"We're staying out of this war," the paper wrote in 1940, addressing
Britain's leaders. "Did you get that? We're staying out."
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The Anchorage Times was editorially silent on the refugee plans,
quoting instead the mostly negative views of other papers.
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A skepticism came through in headlines referring to "German Cast-Offs"
and foreigners ready to "Invade North."
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Atwood reprinted the entire Slattery Report, which had underplayed the
controversial refugee angle and mentioned Jews only once, under an
introduction titled "Jews for Alaska?"
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In the spring of 1940, as Congress prepared for a showdown over the
Alaska refugee plan, Anchorage Chamber of Commerce president Clyde R.
Ellis composed a report summarizing what he said were Anchorage's
objections to the plan.
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"Subsidized foreign refugees competing with American businessmen and
American citizens would create a race prejudice such as has been
practically unknown in our country during its history,"
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predicted Ellis, a lawyer and one-time territorial commander of the
American Legion.
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The biggest objection in Anchorage, he said, was that these new
foreigners would be difficult to assimilate. Just look at how they had
failed to mix with the German population, bringing such trouble down
upon themselves, the chamber president said.
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"Without casting any reflection on that race in our country which are
of the same faith religiously as the refugees which the colonization
plan is meant to embrace," Ellis wrote,
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"we can safely say without fear of contradiction, that those refugees
have proven their non-assimilability which has resulted in the
disaster which has overtaken them."
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Tolernace and democracy
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President Roosevelt did not respond personally to Bruno Rosenthal's
request, as Rosenthal had asked in March 1940.
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Instead, a legislative circular regarding the upcoming debate in
Congress over a bill providing for the settlement and development of
Alaska was mailed to Germany.
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Four months later, at the end of August, it reached Neustadt.
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"I am quite informed about the economic conditions and problems of
Alaska," Rosenthal wrote back. And then he opened his copy of the
Slattery Report and quoted back to the Interior Department the words
on which the Jewish families of Neustadt had pinned their hopes of
survival.
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He wrote: "As 'tolerance and democracy are natural products of the
frontier where a man is appraised for his worth and not for his
ancestry,' as written in the Dep. Report on
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'The Problem of Alaskan Development,' Page 70066/85, 'and it makes
little difference whether this population comes from the United States
or from abroad,' and as we applicants are such men as the Alaskans are
fond of, I hope, I shall be advised as soon as possible that I have
the permission to immigrate to Alaska, as requested since May 1939
till to-day."
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By the time he wrote those words, however, the debate was over and the
fate of Neustadt's last Jews was sealed.
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Today's story is drawn from the following sources:
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Alaska's reactions to the Slattery Report are drawn especially from
The Anchorage Daily Times and the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner,
1938-1940.
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Two scholarly articles explored the Alaska plan and its opposition:
Gerald S. Berman, "Reaction to the Resettlement of World War II
Refugees in Alaska,"
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Jewish Social Studies, volume 44, 1982; and Claus-M. Naske, "Jewish
Immigration and Alaskan Economic Development: A Study in Futility,"
Western States Jewish Historical Quarterly, vol. 8 (Jan. 1976), pp.
139-157.
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Full treatment of the Alaska response is also available in Orlando W.
Miller's book, "The Frontier in Alaska and the Matanuska Colony," Yale
University Press, New Haven, Ct., 1975, pp. 162-176.
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Two important books on general U.S. immigration policies before World
War II include lengthy discussion of the debate over Alaska:
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Henry Feingold, "The Politics of Rescue: The Roosevelt Administration
and the Holocaust, 1938-1945," Rutgers University Press, 1970; and
David
S. Wyman, "Paper Walls: America and the Refugee Crisis, 1938-41"
University of Massachusetts Press, 1968.
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Information on the history of Jews in Alaska was drawn from Matthew
Eisenberg, "The Last Frontier: Jewish Pioneers in Alaska," Hebrew
Union College 1991 (thesis available at Loussac Library Alaska
Collection).
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The Slattery Report is available from library sources in Alaska: "The
Problem of Alaskan Development," United States Department of the
Interior, Harold L. Ickes, Secretary, Washington, 1939/1940.
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The letters of Bruno Rosenthal and other European Jews regarding
Alaska, along with Interior Dept. memos on the Slattery Report are
available in the National Archives. The file is available on microfilm
at University of Alaska Fairbanks archives, Elmer E. Rasmuson Library
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<dallas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Others may come first. Ben Stevens will be the _last_
legislator indicted.
All together there must be several more indictments to come.
After Stevens will be non-legislators, ending with Veco CEO Bill
Allan and VECO VP Rick Smith. I'd guess they will not be given
immunity for their testimony, given the incredible amount of
evidence that appears to exist and the seriousness of the
charges. Instead, they'll likely testify for the prosecution,
and in return be allowed to plead guilty to reduced charges.
But I'll bet that both Allen and Smith do at least some jail
time too.
Heh, heh... can't you just imagine the day the FBI and the
prosecutor sat Allen down and explained that they'd had wiretaps
and had monitored their hotel room business meetings with video
cameras!
"I own your ass.", said Allen to Kott, on tape.
But what did the prosecutor say to Allen... :-)
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) fl...@apaflo.com
> All together there must be several more indictments to come.
>
> After Stevens will be non-legislators, ending with Veco CEO Bill
> Allan and VECO VP Rick Smith. I'd guess they will not be given
> immunity for their testimony, given the incredible amount of
> evidence that appears to exist and the seriousness of the
> charges. Instead, they'll likely testify for the prosecution,
> and in return be allowed to plead guilty to reduced charges.
>
> But I'll bet that both Allen and Smith do at least some jail
> time too.
>
> Heh, heh... can't you just imagine the day the FBI and the
> prosecutor sat Allen down and explained that they'd had wiretaps
> and had monitored their hotel room business meetings with video
> cameras!
>
> "I own your ass.", said Allen to Kott, on tape.
>
> But what did the prosecutor say to Allen... :-)
>
"Here, Let me show you how it's done." That's an interesting relationship
between Allen and Kott, isn't it? For Kott to so willing accept such a
statement shows Allen really does own his ass. Perhaps they can share the
same jail cell.
Robert
I doubt they assumed not running would get anyone off the hook.
They were probably assuming the arrests would come much sooner.
Obviously they all do realize the FBI really does have the goods
on them, and it's only a matter of time...
>> "I own your ass.", said Allen to Kott, on tape.
>>
>> But what did the prosecutor say to Allen... :-)
>>
>"Here, Let me show you how it's done." That's an interesting relationship
>between Allen and Kott, isn't it? For Kott to so willing accept such a
>statement shows Allen really does own his ass. Perhaps they can share the
>same jail cell.
One of the things that caught me by surprise is how low these
guys have sunk in *their* own eyes.
Snide remarks behind their backs by the guys buying them is not
surprising at all; but Veco was sneering at them to their faces
and appear to have been making them grovel just for Veco's own
entertainment. And these yahoos accepted that degradation for
relative peanuts in terms of money!
I fully expect someone who works as a snitch on the street to
act the way these guys did, with a clear lack of self esteem and
not a bit of moral or legal sense. But for people who have been
elected to the State Legislature long enough to have leadership
roles... I'm astounded that they would trade much for so little
in the way of money.
I mean... my soul is for sale too, but the price *starts* at a
significantly higher price! Offer me $1,000,000 and we can at
least talk about it. But insult me with $10,000... I'd go
straight to the FBI and offer to help put them all in jail.
Hmmm. I wonder how many $10,000 offers they made before they
found a Republican who had the brass to turn them it, or if they
simply offered to bribe a Democrat by mistake.
I have the impression that the way the feds net these fish is to do a
sting operation with a "Judas Goat," get few turning state's
evidence, then tighten the net. Not sure if this kettle of Juneau
fish get hit with racketeering, income tax evasion, or what. Not sure
how much of a hit Veco takes. My bet is some will claim they were
baited by the feds and thought they were just cooperating.
To me it looks like someone was a whistle blower more than a year ago,
when Governor Murkowski was a player. Sarah Palin probably in the
catbird's seat because it looks like all these guys are Republicans.
bookburn
I remember Ray Metcalf on the news crying foul about what was going on.
On the subject of Democrat/Republican stereotypes, I've met honest, decent
people of both the liberal and conservative persuasions but the women
haters, racists, thieves, predators, and the anti-education types
certainly do prefer the Republican Party over the Democratic. This
morning a guy called Rick Rydell's Republican radio show to say he was
pissed about seeing Ethan Berkowitz and Sarah Palin's comments on the
arrests, saying he was sick of Sarah's bright eyed and beauty queen
attitude. It's funny how people who otherwise supports all things
Republican just can't stomach a woman governor.
Robert
Metcalf's complaints to the APOC didn't appear, in public, to go
far... but apparently he deserves credit for stirring the FBI et
al to begin investigating.
Virtually everything that Metcalf has to say is quite
interesting. And I discovered once in the distant past that if
something he publishes strikes enough interest to email him, he
will answer and discuss it.
>On the subject of Democrat/Republican stereotypes, I've met honest, decent
>people of both the liberal and conservative persuasions but the women
>haters, racists, thieves, predators, and the anti-education types
>certainly do prefer the Republican Party over the Democratic. This
>morning a guy called Rick Rydell's Republican radio show to say he was
>pissed about seeing Ethan Berkowitz and Sarah Palin's comments on the
>arrests, saying he was sick of Sarah's bright eyed and beauty queen
Like probably just about everyone else more than 50 miles from
her home, the *only* reason I ever so much as knew that Sarah
Palin existed was because she started making noise about
corruption as soon as she saw it. And Berkowitz is something
very close. From this distance it appears that their main
attributes are a genuine sense of honesty and justice mixed with
a few real moral values.
How nice!
And, at least so far, she seems fairly adept at the lesser
important aspects of running the State's executive branch, so I
find it hard to complain.
>attitude. It's funny how people who otherwise supports all things
>Republican just can't stomach a woman governor.
It has been just hilarious to read the Voice of the Times
editorial page for these past several months. Hmmm... it's
been a lot of very dead silence for the past week or so. :-)
My only regret is that Fran Ulmer didn't get to suffer being
attacked as the first female governor. (But, she would have
been smeared something terribly, plus Frank Murkowski would then
still be in the Senate. Getting Murky out of the Senate was
worth almost anything we suffered from him as a Governor.)
>>attitude. It's funny how people who otherwise supports all things
>>Republican just can't stomach a woman governor.
>
> It has been just hilarious to read the Voice of the Times
> editorial page for these past several months. Hmmm... it's
> been a lot of very dead silence for the past week or so. :-)
>
Yes, and since your post the news says the Voice of the Times contract
will not be renewed.
> My only regret is that Fran Ulmer didn't get to suffer being
> attacked as the first female governor. (But, she would have
> been smeared something terribly, plus Frank Murkowski would then
> still be in the Senate. Getting Murky out of the Senate was
> worth almost anything we suffered from him as a Governor.)
>
I agree with you on Fran. A guy here at work who just arrived last
October was surprised when I told him Sarah was Republican. The cold
shoulder she's getting by the right wing media had lead him to think she
was a Dem. Fran would have only had it worse.
Robert
I'm happy with it being cancelled. They had so much
bunk printed on that page and treated just as if it were
sensible that it was disgusting.
Attacking Sarah Palin (probably as much because she is a
she as because she spoke out on corruption by
Murkowski's administration) was just one extremely
annoying habit they had. The shear crudeness of the
editorials was another.
But the absolute funniest (err, stupidest) thing they
ever said had to do with ANWR, and they they actually
repeated this one twice in the past couple of years that
I noticed. They flat stated that people were lying
about pictures of ANWR... because as "everyone who has
been there knows" it is a flat wasteland without a
mountain in sight, and the pictures showed beautiful
mountains.
I have several images of those mountains on my webpage.
All are taken from Kaktovik, the farthest north point on
the coastal plain of ANWR. It is impossible to get
farther from mountains that where these pictures were
taken... and they aren't far away!
http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson/anwr/
For anyone who actually has been there, it was obvious
that the Times editorial staff had *never* been to ANWR
with their eyes open, and were telling lies for effect.
>> My only regret is that Fran Ulmer didn't get to suffer being
>> attacked as the first female governor. (But, she would have
>> been smeared something terribly, plus Frank Murkowski would then
>> still be in the Senate. Getting Murky out of the Senate was
>> worth almost anything we suffered from him as a Governor.)
>>
>I agree with you on Fran. A guy here at work who just arrived last
>October was surprised when I told him Sarah was Republican. The cold
>shoulder she's getting by the right wing media had lead him to think she
>was a Dem. Fran would have only had it worse.
I do think that once the ball is rolling (both for the
Governor's office and for the US President) that we will
likely see many more females elected. In general they
do appear better equipped to handle the office.
Their editorials have always crude. They would begin by stating
something that was thoughtful but by the end of the column, it would
be another rant about democrats (like AM radio).
>
> But the absolute funniest (err, stupidest) thing they
> ever said had to do with ANWR, and they they actually
> repeated this one twice in the past couple of years that
> I noticed. They flat stated that people were lying
> about pictures of ANWR... because as "everyone who has
> been there knows" it is a flat wasteland without a
> mountain in sight, and the pictures showed beautiful
> mountains.
>
> I have several images of those mountains on my webpage.
> All are taken from Kaktovik, the farthest north point on
> the coastal plain of ANWR. It is impossible to get
> farther from mountains that where these pictures were
> taken... and they aren't far away!
>
> http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson/anwr/
>
> For anyone who actually has been there, it was obvious
> that the Times editorial staff had *never* been to ANWR
> with their eyes open, and were telling lies for effect.
It wasn't that so much as the Times was the voice for VECO. They
definitely weren't the voice for conservatives (as claimed). They
endorsed Knowles over Palin.
>
> >> My only regret is that Fran Ulmer didn't get to suffer being
> >> attacked as the first female governor. (But, she would have
> >> been smeared something terribly, plus Frank Murkowski would then
> >> still be in the Senate. Getting Murky out of the Senate was
> >> worth almost anything we suffered from him as a Governor.)
>
> >I agree with you on Fran. A guy here at work who just arrived last
> >October was surprised when I told him Sarah was Republican. The cold
> >shoulder she's getting by the right wing media had lead him to think she
> >was a Dem. Fran would have only had it worse.
>
> I do think that once the ball is rolling (both for the
> Governor's office and for the US President) that we will
> likely see many more females elected. In general they
> do appear better equipped to handle the office.
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) f...@apaflo.com
>Their editorials have always crude. They would begin by stating
>something that was thoughtful but by the end of the column, it would
>be another rant about democrats (like AM radio).
Mike Doogan's fine piece on VoT can be found at
http://208.109.242.142/archives/archives-2004/feature2vol13ed43.shtml
--
---
"Wake up, everybody."--McFadden/Whitehead/Carstarphen
>In article <1179073761.5...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> jeff_...@yahoo.com <jeff_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Their editorials have always crude. They would begin by stating
>>something that was thoughtful but by the end of the column, it would
>>be another rant about democrats (like AM radio).
>
>Mike Doogan's fine piece on VoT can be found at
>http://208.109.242.142/archives/archives-2004/feature2vol13ed43.shtml
Ironically, the duplicity in reporting Dugan commented about seems to
have come home to roost, because Dugan wrote editorials in '04, but
now is elected to public office and it's the same Veco organization
he's confronting, then and now.
I note that ADN ceased publishing the Times insert just after the Bust
involving Veco. The reported that's been appearing on "Anchorage
Edition" TV on Fridays, Paul something, apparently with Veco
alliances, was absent last Friday. bookburn
++++++
THIS IS JUST "THE TIP" OF A VERY BIG ICEBERG!
---
Subject: TED STEVENS NOW UNDER INVESTIGATION WITH HIS SON
----
NOTE: OPEN URL TO SEE PICTURE OF TED'S HOUSE.
----
Subject:5-29-07-Feds eye Stevens' home remodeling project
---
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/v-printer/story/8928969p-8829178c.html
>
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Feds eye Stevens' home remodeling project
---
GIRDWOOD: Veco approved some invoices for 2000 upgrade at senator's
house, says builder.
---
Stevens' Girdwood house was jacked up and had a new story built
underneath the original one. Its assessed value now is $440,900. (MARC
LESTER / Anchorage Daily News)
---
Ted Stevens and his wife, Catherine, attended the renaming of Ted
Stevens Anchorage International Airport in July 2000. The house was
about to be renovated. (MARC LESTER / Daily News archive 2000)
---
Deanna and Bob Persons are longtime owners of the Double Musky Inn.
Bob Persons acted on Stevens' behalf during the work. (BILL ROTH /
Daily News archive 2001)
By RICHARD MAUER
Anchorage Daily News
(Published: May 29, 2007)
---
The FBI and a federal grand jury have been investigating an extensive
remodeling project at U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens' home in Girdwood that
involved the top executive of Veco Corp. in the hiring of at least one
of the key contractors.
---
Three contractors who worked on the project said in recent interviews
with the Daily News that the FBI asked them to turn over their records
from the job.
---
One said he was called to testify about the project before a federal
grand jury in Anchorage in December.
---
The remodeling work, which more than doubled the size of the house,
occurred in the summer and fall of 2000. The four-bedroom home, about
two blocks from the day lodge parking lot at the Alyeska ski resort,
is Stevens' official residence in Alaska.
---
An old friend of Stevens in Girdwood, longtime Double Musky restaurant
owner Bob Persons, has been questioned by the FBI about the project.
He monitored the remodeling for Stevens and his wife while they were
in Washington, D.C.
---
"I will be testifying. That's all I can tell you," Persons said in a
brief interview last week. "It is an ongoing investigation that I'm
not supposed to talk to or see anybody about it."
----
Persons would not elaborate on whether he meant that he would testify
before a grand jury, at a trial, or both, or for whom. He said he
believed Stevens did nothing wrong.
---
Ted Stevens and his wife, Catherine, declined to answer questions
about the Girdwood house. ---
In a prepared statement issued by his office, Stevens said: "While I
understand the public's interest in the ongoing federal investigation,
it has been my long-standing policy to not comment on such matters.
Therefore, I will withhold comment at this time to avoid even the
appearance that I might influence this investigation."
----
The FBI and the U.S. Justice Department's Public Integrity Section,
which are in the midst of a broad investigation of corruption in
Alaska, would not comment.
---
"This is a pending investigation and we're just not going to confirm
or deny any aspect, any rumors, any allegations out there," said FBI
spokesman Eric Gonzalez.
---
INQUIRY SURFACES
***************************
Ted Stevens, the most senior Republican in the U.S. Senate and
Alaska's most famous political figure, has not been directly connected
with the corruption investigation.
---
The wide-ranging federal inquiry surfaced in August when agents raided
six legislative offices, including those of then-Senate President Ben
Stevens, one of Ted Stevens' sons.
---
The FBI said at the time that it also had executed a search warrant in
Girdwood, among other places, although the location of that search has
never been officially disclosed.
---
Veco, an oil-field service company that has long been a strong
lobbying presence in Juneau, was one of the early targets of the
agents, according to some of the search warrants that became public.
---
On May 7, the company's longtime chief executive, Bill Allen, and a
vice president, Rick Smith, pleaded guilty to federal conspiracy,
bribery and tax charges. They are now cooperating with authorities.
---
The investigation spread to the commercial fishing industry, including
Ben Stevens' consulting clients and associates. Federal subpoenas
served on fishing companies in Seattle last year sought records
concerning both Ben and Ted Stevens.
---
Four current or former Alaska state lawmakers have been indicted and
are awaiting trial on corruption charges, and an Anchorage lobbyist
has pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges.
---
Ben Stevens has not been charged. But the charges pleaded to by Allen
and Smith alleged Ben Stevens improperly accepted $242,000 from Veco
for "giving advice, lobbying colleagues, and taking official acts in
matters before the legislature."
---
How the Girdwood home fits in with the broader investigation, or what
possible crimes are being investigated, is not clear.
---
There was a brief, unexplained reference to residential remodeling in
the government's statement of facts that accompanied Allen's and
Smith's guilty pleas.
---
The sentence, preceded by a listing of a dozen Veco-related
enterprises around the world, said:
---
"Veco was not in the business of residential construction or
remodeling."
Asked whether that line related to the construction at Stevens'
Girdwood home, Persons first said, "I'm sure it does." When pressed,
he said he wasn't certain.
----
WHERE THE BILLS WENT
******************************
Augie Paone, owner of Christensen Builders Inc. of Anchorage, said in
a recent interview that it was Bill Allen who hired him to complete
the framing and most of the interior carpentry at Stevens' home.
----
Before he could send a bill to Stevens for work in progress, he was
directed to provide it first to Veco, where someone would examine it
for accuracy, he said. When Veco approved the invoice, he would fax it
to the Stevenses in Washington, he said.
---
Paone said that as far as he knew, Stevens and his wife, Catherine,
paid his bills themselves.
---
He said he sent at least $100,000 in invoices to the Stevenses in
Washington. They paid him from what he said appeared to be a checking
account opened for the project. The checks, imprinted with the
couple's names, had single- and double-digit serial numbers, he said.
---
According to Paone and other contractors, the renovation involved a
technique often used with older dwellings in Girdwood -- jacking up a
single-story house, building another floor on the original foundation
or pilings, then lowering the original structure onto the new one. The
result is a two-story home.
---
City and state records show the Stevens home was originally built in
1971. Catherine and Ted Stevens purchased it in August 1983. Plans
show the house had two bedrooms, a living room, a kitchen and a single
bath before the 2000 expansion.
---
Toney Hannah, a house mover from Anchorage, said he had initial
discussions about a jack-up project with Ted and Catherine Stevens in
1999 but didn't hear any more about it until the next summer.
---
On July 26, 2000, Stevens faxed a letter to Anchorage building safety
officials, saying Persons had authority to act in his and Catherine's
name "in regard to construction at my house in Girdwood."
---
Stevens often relied on Persons to look after his Girdwood residence,
according to Stevens' long-term neighbor there, Julie Peterson. She
said she would call Persons if she saw a problem at the house.
--
Stevens and Persons also have a business relationship.
---
Persons is the managing partner of Alaska's Great Eagle LLC, a
racehorse-owning partnership that includes Stevens, Bill Allen and
Allen's son Mark, along with several other Alaska businessmen.
---
On July 31, 2000, Persons obtained an Anchorage land-use permit for
the Stevens remodeling. He listed the value of construction as $84,878
-- much less than the actual total turned out to be.
---
Most of the tradesmen who worked on the project couldn't be identified
to answer questions from the Daily News about how they were hired,
paid and supervised.
---
While Girdwood is within the Anchorage municipality, its local
building rules are more lax. With no inspections required, city
building records don't name the electrician, plumber, furnace
installer or others who may have worked on the project.
---
Hannah, the house mover, was found because Persons originally listed
him in the permit file as the contractor.
---
Hannah said Persons contacted him in July or August 2000 to start the
project. His crew jacked up the home. Hannah said Persons seemed to be
in a hurry to get the job done.
---
A framing crew went to work on the first floor. But Hannah said that
when he returned to Girdwood to lower the house, the framing was
unacceptable, forcing him to delay the next phase. He said he didn't
know who did the faulty carpentry.
---
Paone said he was called in late that summer to rescue the project.
"Bill Allen and some of the Veco boys, some of the Veco guys, were the
ones that approached me and wanted to know if I could give them a
hand," Paone said. "I did it more as a favor, you know. It's one of
those things when somebody is the head, and packs that much power and
asks you for a favor, it's kind of hard to say no."
---
JUST IN CASE
****************
Paone said his name was on file at Veco because he had worked as a
carpenter remodeling a Veco office building in Anchorage several years
before.
---
He had also remodeled the basement of the home of Veco's chief
financial officer, Roger Chan. Chan and Allen both asked him to work
on Stevens' home, he said.
---
Chan didn't return a phone call seeking comment and Veco's lawyer, Amy
Menard, said the company's agreement to cooperate with federal
authorities barred her and officials from talking.
---
Like Hannah, Paone said he didn't know who botched the framing. "My
understanding is that there was just a bunch of guys trying to do it
on a weekend basis, and mostly they were friends of the senator's or
something," he said. "But they didn't know what they were doing and
they were so far behind that there was absolutely no way they could
have completed it by late
October, early November," he said.
---
Paone took over the framing and completed the interior walls, some of
the cabinetry in the kitchen, the insulation and painting. He
purchased the supplies and sent invoices for materials and labor to
Stevens.
---
Paone said he couldn't recall the names of other tradesmen who worked
on the project -- electricians, plumbers and a mechanical contractor
who installed a new gas furnace and the forced-air heating system.
---
A neighbor said someone brought over a crane to hoist Stevens'
barbecue grill to the second floor deck. Another neighbor said a
cherry picker showed up to install decorative lights on the eaves.
---
Paone said that by the time he finished his work in late October or
early November, he had sent Stevens more than $100,000 in invoices for
his own work.
---
Paone said he charged normal rates but was uncomfortable with the
arrangements because he hadn't provided an estimate before starting
the work. He said he protected himself by retaining all the records on
the project.
---
"I didn't suspect anything, but I just wanted to make sure," he said.
"When you work with a house of a legislator or a senator, you make
sure you hold on to all the billings, just in case something happens."
---
Current city property records show the 10-room home contains 2,471
square feet of living space. With its quarter-acre lot, its assessed
value for 2007 is $440,900.
---
'A VERY SAD SITUATION'
Last year, some six years after the project was completed, Paone said,
"the FBI came over to me and I gave them all the paperwork I had on
it."
---
When he was questioned by the FBI, he said, agents seemed particularly
interested in Veco and its officials. The government already had
copies of most of his invoices on the Stevens home, having obtained
them from Veco files, he said.
---
Paone said he followed that up by testifying before a federal grand
jury in December.
---
About a year ago, Hannah, the house mover, came to work at his yard in
South Anchorage and found an FBI agent's card on his office door, he
said. When he called the agent, he was told the government was going
to subpoena his records on the project. He said he sent his father
downtown with all the files. He hasn't gotten them back, he said.
---
He said Catherine Stevens had paid his bill with a check, but he said
it happened too long ago to remember details.
---
The contractor who did earth-moving for the project, Bob Redmond of
Girdwood, also provided his records to the FBI, according to Jean
Redmond, his stepmother. She also said the bills were paid by Stevens.
---
Paone said that as far as he knows, Stevens paid every invoice sent to
him.
---
"Now, I'm not sure if everything was given to him," Paone said. "It's
just that he was never around. He didn't know what was going on. My
personal opinion is that if he got something for nothing, he
absolutely didn't know about it."
---
Persons, of the Double Musky, said he believes Stevens has done
nothing wrong, though he was unable to say what he knows.
---
"It's a very sad situation," he said during the brief interview
outside a bank in South Anchorage. "I have to tell you that my
attorneys have told me not to talk to anyone. And I can't even talk to
my friends. Anybody. I can't talk to anybody."
---
Persons said he didn't think he was in any legal trouble. "I don't
know why I would be," he said.
"To me, it's a tragic situation," Persons added. "I don't think Sen.
Stevens has done anything wrong and I don't know what's going on. I
think it's a witch hunt."
----
Contact reporter Richard Mauer at 257-4345 or at rma...@adn.com. ?
THIS IS ANOTHER ADN "BAD REPORTING" ARTICLE, I.E. AT FIRST READING IT
APPEARS THAT BILL ALLEN OF VECO PLED GUILTY, BUT THEN THE OTHER
SENTENCE SHOWING THE DOLLAR AMOUNT DOES NOT SAY WHO PLED.
> --
NOR, DOES IT SAY WHY STEVENS ASK FOR THE EXTENSION TO FILE HIS
DISCLOSURE STATEMENT, EVEN THO HE IS BEING INVESTIGATED, I.E.
---
"IF"STEVENS HAD HONESTLY DIVULGED ALL OF HIS ASSETS, ETC. HE SHOULDN'T
HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
> --
BUT, IF HE INTENTIONALLY LEFT OUT SOME ASSETS ON HIS REPORTING, HE
COULD USE THIS EXTENSION TO "SEE WHAT THE FBI HAS FOUND", THEN REPORT
THESE ASSETS.
> --
ALL IN ALL, ANOTHER VAGUE ARTICLE BY ADN, WHICH ALTHOUGH A LIBERAL
PAPER, AND HAS INTENTIONALLY COVERED UP GOV. KNOWLES' ILLEGAL ACTS,
DOESN'T WANT THE POWERFUL TED STEVENS & CO. SUEING THE PAPER.
> --
IF ALASKANS "REALLY" WANTED THE STATE'S LARGEST PAPER TO MAKE TRUTHFUL
AND COMPLETE REPORTS, THEY WOULD DEMAND THAT ADN BE DROPPED AS "THE
ONLY PAPER" WHICH CAN PUBLISH "ALL STATE ITEMS FOR PUBLICATIONS/
NOTICES OF WHICH ADN RECEIVES "AT LEAST $360,000" A YEAR, I.E. THE AK.
ADMINISTRATION CODE REQUIRES THE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS OF ALL AGENCY
HEARINGS, ETC.
---
THIS COULD BE DONE VIA THE SMALL NEWSPAPERS IN EACH
CITY/VILLAGE WHICH AD MONEY WOULD KEEP THESE PAPERS ALIVE, THUS
PROVIDING "MORE
FREE SPEECH", NOT TOTALLY POLITICALLY BIASED REPORTING LIKE THE ADN
DOES.
> ---
AS PROOF OF THIS, I HAD CONTACTED ADN RE GOV. KNOWLES' ILLEGAL DENIAL
OF FOOD STAMPS TO 45,000 ALASKAN FAMILIES, WHICH ILLEGAL DENIALS I GOT
STOPPED BY CALLING THE FEDERAL AGRICULTURE'S INSPECTOR GENERAL, WHO
CONTACTED THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE ORDERING THEM TO ISSUE THESE FOOD
STAMPS.
> --
SINCE ADN DID NOT CONTACT ME AND THE ARTICLE WAS NEVER PUBLISHED, I
CALLED THE ADN REPORTER AND DEMANDED AN EXPLANATION FOR HIS REFUSAL TO
PUBLISH AND HE STATED:
--
"THIS IS TOO POLITICAL" AND THAT "WE" DECIDE WHAT ARTICLES WE WILL
PUBLISH, NOT THE PEOPLE.
> --
I THEN CONTACTED THE EDITOR OF MCCLATCHY WHICH OWNS THE ADN (IN
SACRAMENTO) AND ABOUT A WEEK LATER, THERE WAS A STORY PUBLISHED THAT
THE HEAD OFFICE OF MCCLATCHY HAD ARRIVED IN ANCHORAGE AND "THE EDITOR
FOR ANCHORAGE-ADN" WAS REPLACED.
> --
BUT, AS YOU CAN SEE, ADN IS STILL COVERING UP OR DUMBING DOWN THEIR
ARTICLES, THUS ADN SHOULD BE REMOVED AS THE "PAPER OF CHOICE" FOR
THESE STATE NOTICES, ETC.
> --
Subject:6-15-07-
Sen. Stevens Gets Delay On Financial Disclosure
> ---
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/14/AR2007061402514_pf.html
> >
> --
++++
CORRECTION-UPDATE
--
I SEE THAT THE ADN ARTICLE HAS CHANGED SINCE YESTERDAY AND THE BRIBERY
AMOUNT WAS CHANGED TO $400,000.
--
OPEN THE ABOVE URL TO GO TO SEVERAL LINKS THAT PROVIDE A LOT MORE
INFO. HERE IS THE URL FOR THE LINK "STEVENS" WHERE YOU CAN GET A LOT
MORE INFO.
---
YOU MIGHT WANT TO KEEP THIS URL FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
--
Subject:
Ted Stevens | Congress votes database | washingtonpost.com
---
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/s000888/ >
---
++++++++++
HOW INTERESTING IT WOULD BE IF RUSSIA AND SOME OF THEIR FRIENDS WOULD
DECIDE TO PULL FASCIST BUSH REGIME ACT AND INVADE ALASKA FOR IT'S OIL.
--
AS THE OLD ADAGE GOES, "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" AND NOW THE
RUSSIANS HAVE THEIR SUBMARINES OFF OF PRUDHOE BAY AND A RUSSIAN FLAG
BURIED IN THE ARCTIC, DECLARING THAT "IT BELONGS TO RUSSIA".
---
AS WE KNOW, MUCH OF ALASKA HASN'T EVEN BEEN EXPLORED FOR OIL ON THE
FED LANDS.
---
IT HAS BEEN SO EASY TO LIE TO AMERICANS ABOUT ALL OF THE GLOBAL
TERRORISTS WHICH ALLOWS THESE FASCIST POLITICIANS TO INVADE, OCCUPY
AND MURDER THE PEOPLE IN "OTHER COUNTRIES" SO THEY CAN ROB THEIR OIL
FIRST. THE "CASPIAN SEA" MENTIONED HERE IS WHERE THE OIL IS COMING
FROM AND WHY BUSH INVADED AFGHANISTAN, I.E. HE NEEDED OIL PIPELINES
BUILT..NOT BIN LADEN AND HE GOT THE PIPELINE SOON AFTER THE COUNTRY
WAS BOMBED TO RUMBLE.
---
IT APPEARS BIN LADEN "GOT THOUSANDS OF MORE SOLDIERS TO KILL OURS
WHICH ARE GUARDING THE OIL PIPELINE. YEP, I WOULD SAY THAT ALASKA
COULD VERY WELL BE "GROUND ZERO" NOW.
---
Subject:8-16-07-CASPIAN SEA OIL-Entering the Tough Oil Era
---
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/081607D.shtml
>
---
In article <1187302908.8...@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Said the spider to the fly! ;-D
+++++++++++++++++
HOW ABSOLUTELY TIMELY IS THE FOLLOWING "ALASKA TRIVIA" POST FROM
BOOKBURN, WHICH WAS POSTED JUST 7 MINUTES BEFORE I POSTED MY ARTICLE.
--
IRONICALLY, BB PROVES MY POINT RE ALASKAN'S MENTALITY RE THEIR
PRIORITIES.
--
SINCE BB DIDN'T GIVE ANY REASON FOR HIS STATEMENTS ABOUT STUPID AND
SUICIDAL LEMMINGS, I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT HE IS LINKING ALASKAN'S
MENTALITY TO THOSE OF LEMMINGS, IF SO, HE MADE A GOOD COMPARISON WHICH
CLEARLY INCLUDES HIMSELF. &;D
---
(PRINT VERSION)
>
alt.culture.alaska
Alaska trivia
bookb...@yahoo.com
>
I have a couple trivial Alaska thoughts I don't know what to do with,
so I'll dump them here.
>
1. I have in my coin collection a couple strange Alaska pieces. ?
>
One is apparently a '40s-'50s era trading coin naming some Anchorage
4th
Avenue bar, evidently good for a drink, or something. >?
I lost track of
where I put it, but remember that it was fairly common for Alaska
businesses to advertise in that way during Territorial days.
>
I like to remember Territorial days anyway I can. ?
>
Did you know they
used to land private planes on the Park Strip in Anchorage?
>
2. ?It may be a trivial idea, but I bet tourists and collectors, maybe
even investors, would go for a gold coin celebrating Alaska, maybe
along the lines of the Canadian Gold Maple Leaf, if I have it right.
>
Not sure of the legalities of Alaska minting money, but maybe a
medallion in gold worth $100.
>
3. ?I stumbled across a reference to "lemmings," those little rodents
that have the urban legend of all migrating at the same time to jump
off a cliff into the ocean. ?
>
There's a good article on this in my favorite encyclopedia, Wikipedia,
at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmingknow, where a natural historian
named "Ole Worm" describes lemmings. ?
>
I would like to invite Ole Worm, if that's his name, to come to
Alaska. ?
>
Reminds me of the famous Alaska "Ice Worm," too. ?
>
Also, a place named "Lemming, Alaska", has a nice ring to it. ?
>
Maybe the
Anchorage Airport could be re-named Lemming Airport because it's
located at the edge of a cliff, and because we are hearing too much
about Stevens these days. ?
>
Don't know if the lemming is featured in the airport's display of
Alaska species, but it should be.
>
So that's me trivia for today. ? bookburn
--
drivel snipped, just because....
She is BACK........ Oh, the shame.......
Turn your caps lock off, and I'll read your post.
--
sk8r-365
The U.S. Congress enjoys damaging "big business"
but are themselves building big government!
I can't cypher your complaint. Is it that DC is taxed without representation
that disturbs? Is it that only a State can be represented and D.C. is not a
state? Do you want the Nations' seat of power to reside in a State? Or,
is it you think D.C. should have no taxes?
--
sk8r-365
The U.S. government is destroying our freedoms daily
but are themselves enjoying "liberties" at our expense!
There was a floor vote in the US Senate on DC becoming a
state recently. They're talking about it.
> There was a floor vote in the US Senate on DC becoming a
> state recently. They're talking about it.
How'd that turn out? It's foolish to place the seat of the national
government in a State - too much power and influence ... think there's
corruption now?
My idea is that D.C. should not become a state but shrink to only
public buildings, letting the rest be part of Maryland, which is a
wonderful state. Perhaps four or five adjoining new cities would
result. That should satisfy those who want the D.C. populace to be
represented in Congress.
At the same time, to accommodate those in the inner city(ies) now part
of D.C., the fed govt should invest in programs that model innovation
for the rest of the states. Should have some a model school system,
library system, health care system, etc., and each state capitol have
similar models, so the rest of the country can imitate some of what
they do.
If the US could be a model before the rest of the world, maybe desired
change could come just from that, assuming our financial and military
support to foreign nations depended on something more ideal than
regime change. What we need is regime change in the US, plus a
Congress that can walk a straight line, a non-ideology driven State
Department, guidelines for our military industrial complex.
Otherwise, I hope D.C. population continues to suffocate the
plantation of bureaucrats there.
bookburn
>
> My idea is that D.C. should not become a state but shrink to only
> public buildings, letting the rest be part of Maryland, which is a
> wonderful state. Perhaps four or five adjoining new cities would
> result. That should satisfy those who want the D.C. populace to be
> represented in Congress.
>
> At the same time, to accommodate those in the inner city(ies) now part
> of D.C., the fed govt should invest in programs that model innovation
> for the rest of the states.
Not a bad idea! Perhaps they could move folks out - by a means better
than the "Trail of Tears" - to new housing and map an area to include
the buildings and avoid Gerrymandering issues.
>
> Should have some a model school system, library system, health care system,
> etc., and each state capitol have similar models, so the rest of the country
> can imitate some of what they do.
>
> If the US could be a model before the rest of the world, maybe desired change
> could come just from that, assuming our financial and military support to
> foreign nations depended on something more ideal than regime change. What we
> need is regime change in the US, plus a Congress that can walk a straight
> line, a non-ideology driven State Department, guidelines for our military
> industrial complex.
>
> Otherwise, I hope D.C. population continues to suffocate the plantation of
> bureaucrats there.
>
All good points, ideas and suggestions.
Thank you!
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>
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Oh, Lordy... Psylvia actually responding to her own post......
Wow.... will wonders never cease.....
> Horton heard a Who named Jan Flora saying:
>
> > There was a floor vote in the US Senate on DC becoming a
> > state recently. They're talking about it.
>
> How'd that turn out? It's foolish to place the seat of the national
> government in a State - too much power and influence ... think there's
> corruption now?
It failed in the floor vote.
The only reason I knew about it was because I arrived
early to meet with our Junior Senator. She was rushing
out of her office to vote. When I asked her what they were
voting on, she said the district getting statehood status.
I said, "It's time. Vote yes." She said, "I agree that it's
time, but I think a Constitutional Amendment is the way to
address the problem." So she voted no on the motion that
was on the floor.
Otherwise, I found our junior senator to be funny, smart
and engaging. I don't like the way she got into office
and I don't like everything she does as a senator, but
I liked her personally, when I got to sit down and talk
to her.
Jan
> It failed in the floor vote.
>
> The only reason I knew about it was because I arrived
> early to meet with our Junior Senator. She was rushing
> out of her office to vote. When I asked her what they were
> voting on, she said the district getting statehood status.
>
> I said, "It's time. Vote yes." She said, "I agree that it's
> time, but I think a Constitutional Amendment is the way to
> address the problem." So she voted no on the motion that
> was on the floor.
>
> Otherwise, I found our junior senator to be funny, smart
> and engaging. I don't like the way she got into office
> and I don't like everything she does as a senator, but
> I liked her personally, when I got to sit down and talk
> to her.
>
Thanks for the update. Amendment 23 handles D.C.'s right of
representation, and therefore, IMO, there's no need for it to be a
State... indeed, it would be unlawful since an Amendment is in place.
AMENDMENT XXIII
Passed by Congress June 16, 1960. Ratified March 29, 1961.
Section 1. The District constituting the seat of Government of the
United States shall appoint in such manner as Congress may direct:
A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole
number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District
would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the
least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by
the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the
election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a
State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as
provided by the twelfth article of amendment.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.
The folks in DC do not have voting Congressmen and Senators. Their
delegate has no power.
The Anchorage Fishwrapper and Litterbox Liner Press
THIS TIME IT REMINDED ME OF THE JODY FOSTER MOVIE WHERE COWS WERE
FLYING OVER THEIR CAR. THEN IT REALLY ACTED LIKE SOME BEAST FROM HELL;
IT WAS WIND AND RAIN
SMASHING INTO THE WINDOWS AND THE WINDOW GLASS STARTED BENDING AND
SQUEAKING FROM IT'S THIN JAIL OF CAUKING. I CLOSED THE VENTIAN (PH)
BLINDS JUST IN CASE IT WANTED TO COME IN.
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I HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THIS MANY DAYS AND NIGHTS WITHOUT HEAT BEFORE,
NOR HAVE I ONLY BEEN ABOUT 105 LBS EITHER, WHICH MADE IT REAL EASY TO
START SHAKING FROM THE COLD, EVEN WITH 3 LAYERS OF CLOTHES ON, WRAPPED
IN TWO BLANKETS AND A DOWN QUILT.
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LESSON LEARNED..
...GET A GENERATOR; GET A GENERATOR; GET A GENERATOR AND PUT ON 50
LBS; A BOTTLE OF CROWN ROYAL; A CAN OF WHIP CREAM AND MAKE IRISH
COFFEE AND OPEN UP ALL THE LITTLE CANS OF GOODIES; SMOKED OYSTERS;
HEARTS OF ARTICHOKES; BAGELS WITH CREAM CHEESE, ETC. ETC.
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LOCAL RADIO TALK SHOWS WERE JUST A DRONE OF THE SAME NEWS FOR 6
DAYS..PROMISES MADE THAT THE POWER CO. IS WORKING ROUND THE CLOCK TO
GET US HOOKED UP AGAIN AFTER 300-400 PLUS TELEPHONE POLES WERE BLOWN
OVER..HIGHWAYS CLOSED; SCHOOLS CLOSED; TREES ALL OVER THE ROADS; MUD
SLIDES, AND MORE.
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THE GOVERNOR CALLING FOR FEDERAL EMERGENCY HELP..THE NATIONAL GUARD
AND RED CROSS ARE HERE TO HELP, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ONE.
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21 CONTRACTED WORKERS TEAMS CAME INTO THE STATE TO HELP...NO MENTION
OF THE NAME-HALIBURTON? WHO KNOWS?
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SINCE WE ARE "JUST" GETTING INTO "OFFICIAL WINTER TIME" AND THE
MAJORITY OF SMALL GENERATORS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SOLD OUT, I WILL BE
DOING SOME ON-LINE RESEARCH FOR ONE..
--
SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT WHAT IT WILL COST TO "BE FULLY PREPARED FOR
THE NEXT TIME, AND THERE "WILL" BE A NEXT TIME; IT WILL PROBABLY BE
THE SAME COST TO MOVE OUT OF HERE, BUT TO WHERE?
--
THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS A MAD, MAD WORLD, OF HURRICANES, TORNADOES,
FLOODS, DROUGHT, AND EARTHQUAKES.
--
BOTTOM-LINE:
"BE MORE PREPARED THEN YOU THOUGHT YOU NEEDED TO BE". &;D
<snip>-
> THE FRIG IS FILLED WITH, NOW ROTTEN FOOD, AND FOUND A HUGE POOL OF
> WATER BEHIND IT WHERE IT HAD LEAKED OUT.
> --
> WHY DOES THIS CRAP ALWAYS HAVE TO HAPPEN IN THE WINTER TIME? IT HAS
> BEEN BELOW FREEZING FOR MANY NIGHTS AND OF COURSE, IT WAS WARMER
> OUTSIDE THEN INSIDE.
<snip>
If it's that cold outdoors, why leave the food in the frig to rot? Put
it outside ...
Lindsey Williams, who has been an ordained Baptist minister for 28
years, went to Alaska in 1971 as a missionary.
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The Transalaska oil pipeline began its construction phase in 1974, and
because of Mr. Williams' love for his country and concern for the
spiritual welfare of the "pipeliners," he volunteered to serve as
Chaplain on the pipeline, with the subsequent full support of the
Alyeska Pipeline Company.
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Because of the executive status accorded to him as Chaplain, he was
given access to information documented in his eye opening book, The
Energy Non-Crisis.
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After numerous public speaking engagements in the western states,
certain government officials and concerned individuals urged Mr.
Williams to put into print what he saw and heard, stating that they
felt this information was vital to national security.
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Mr. Williams firmly believes that whoever controls energy controls the
economy.
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Thus, The Energy Non-Crisis.
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Hopefully Al Qada is going to nuke the place and not that they realize
it will fix lots of things. That will fix the problem of D.C. as a
state for the next 60,000 years, it would incinerate 10, 000 lawyers
and that can't be bad. there is a good chance it would get a lot of
House and Senate electees and appointees and that definitely would be
good and it would just about wipe out the lobbyist and that would
certainly be something positive for democracy.