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Eric Holeman
Jan Flora <snow...@xyz.net> wrote:
>welcome (vilkomen) in Alaska. Please come.
Hmm...Schleswig-Holstein dialect, I guess...
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Alaska Bill
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> Hi Kids:
>
> Ask I expected, Michelle declined to apologize...snip....
> I am learning to speak German well enough
> this winter to enable me to sell t-shirts and beer to our friends
So, what is the German word for beer?
:-)
Alaska Bill
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Skip the T-Shirts and beer. Open a German restaurant.
German restaurants are great because even of the hors 'dourves are bad,
you know the wurst is yet to come......
Then there was the German restaurant that was closed by the fire
marshall for exceeding the allowed maximum seating capacity. The
restaurant was over-krauted...
Those jokes were so bad that I think I made myself sick...
Ophir
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Michael F. Pickett
>The only problem is "bier" implies something worth drinking.
(Or is it what they put us on before they light the match?)
WAY off topic for Alaska.... *grin*
>You should see the funny expressions that German people
>come up with when they get a taste of cheap American beer :)
>I don't know what the cheapest beer in Germany is, but I'll
>bet it's a damned sight better than the lagers we drink!
Does anyone who has been, or is presently, in Germany know if
the so-called "Imported" German beer is the quality of the
stuff they enjoy there? My kraut Grandfather always said of
the American Beer, "any port in a storm."
My son's inlaws, farmers, make tons of beer every year, and
it makes the store stuff taste like swill.
Anyway..are there any commercial labels of the quality they
have over in Germany?
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Dennis P. Harris
ci...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael F. Pickett) wrote:
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>Anyway..are there any commercial labels of the quality they
>have over in Germany?
yeah. alaskan amber. it's an altbier, brewed in the old german
style (before lagering). the recipe was brought to douglas by
german brewers in the 1880s, and was subsequently taken across
the channel to juneau. it was resurrected by the current
brewers. now *that* keeps this on topic for the group!
as for decent german beers distributed in the us... it's not
lowenbrau, which is miller's under another name. you might have
better luck in the lower 48. merchant du vin of seattle imports
a number of great german and belgian beers, and some other high
quality german brands are imported independently.
and there are good german-style microbrews all along the left
coast, gruffy. or relax and have a homebrew...
fyi, alaskan smoked porter will be available in california this
year for the first time. due out around nov. 1.
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Gary Kirchherr
(Jan Flora) wrote:
> I have absolutely no idea how to spell 'welcome' in German. I'll call my
> mom and ask...
> Or wake my SO up and ask him.
Spare yourself the long-distance bill. It's "Willkommen."
You're, um, welcome. :)
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Eric Holeman
Michael F. Pickett <ci...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
>Does anyone who has been, or is presently, in Germany know if
>the so-called "Imported" German beer is the quality of the
>stuff they enjoy there?
Generally, it's not, though sometimes it can be. Imported bottled beer is
pasteurized, which affects the flavor, and it also often sits in a
warehouse too long. Keg beer is generally a safer bet, especially if you
can find a place that sells enough so you know you're getting a fresh keg.
Also, there's sufficient variation in German beer styles that if your
granddad was Bavarian, say, he might not particularly care for common
north German imports like Beck's and St. Pauli, both of which are
variations on the pilsener theme.
As Dennis said, the rice-tainted Miller-brewed Lowenbrau would cause a
brawl if it were to be served in Germany.
>My kraut Grandfather always said of
>the American Beer, "any port in a storm."
I like to think I can beer snob as well as well anybody, but I'd have to
agree. I avoid "lite" beer--which typically saves but a few dozen
calories while using seaweed extracts to add noncaloric body--but if the
price and temp are right, some industrial brews are almost drinkable.
>Anyway..are there any commercial labels of the quality they
>have over in Germany?
If you can't get fresh German beer, try Harp Lager--lately it's available
cheap and fresh (hereabouts, anyways), and while it doesn't really taste
like I think an Irish beer should, it's certainly an acceptable lager.
Microbreweries can fill the gap, but usually they make ales, and ales
don't taste much like lagers, though they can be nice. The Thomas
Kemper lagers are exceptions to the rule--they taste like the good
lagers they are. And on an only slightly larger scale, the Schell
Brewery, of New Ulm, Minnesota, makes very good lagers under their own
name and under faux-micro labels like Spanish Peaks. If the label says
"New Ulm, MN" and "lager" somewhere, it's probably Schell in the bottle,
and unless it's one of those silly raspberry-flavored concoctions, it's
probably worth a try.
ObAlaska: As far as I know, nobody's made commercial lager in Alaska
since Prinz Brau. Or did they?
Alaska Bill
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> In article <36364B...@noEmail.net>, nos...@noEmail.net wrote:
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> >Jan Flora wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <3635E4...@noEmail.net>, nos...@noEmail.net wrote:
> >>
> >> >Jan Flora wrote:
> >
> >Skip the T-Shirts and beer. Open a German restaurant.
> >
> >you know the wurst is yet to come......
>
> >
> >Then there was the German restaurant that was closed by the fire
> >marshall for exceeding the allowed maximum seating capacity. The
> >restaurant was over-krauted...
> >
> >
> >
> >Those jokes were so bad that I think I made myself sick...
>
I am ashamed. One more lousy joke like those and I will have to change
my pen-name for the 342nd time in the past year.
> Did you throw up on your keyboard? Enquiring minds, etc... *g*
I thin# the keyboa!d is OK. If yuo begim to notise any malfunktiow in my
keystokqs bleas lett e no.
(was that the "one more lousy joke" ??)
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Art Greenwalt
Jan Flora wrote:
> Hi Kids:
>
> Ask I expected, Michelle declined to apologize for insulting certain
> nationalities.
(The rest snipped)
One of the hardest things I ever had to do involved two of my dogs many
years ago, a dobie (my first) and a golden lab/hound mix. Both were
terrific dogs and I loved them dearly, but they each felt they were the top
dog of the three I had. (The third one, Lump, was Mr. Mellow incarnate.)
At first, their fights were little more than quick grabs and nips at each
other but quickly they escalated until finally one evening came the
knock-down, drag-out fight that sent me to the hospital with a nice hole in
my arm, sent one of the dogs to the vet with multiple broken teeth, and
didn't do a whole lot for my livingroom.
I had to make a decision between the two or else I would have one living
dog and two memories. It broke my heart to do so, but eventually the
lab/hound mix went to live with a very good friend who cared for him as
lovingly as I could have, giving him the best of homes the rest of his
days.
Well....I've got two good friends in this newsgroup and there is bad
blood between them.
It's gotten to the point where it doesn't matter all that much how it
started, but it does matter how it finishes because the posting I read
today went beyond the bounds of decency.
It's strange...for both Jan and Michelle have an intense interest in
many of the same things about Alaska. Its wildlife, its environment,
keeping it as grand and wild as possible against the onslaught of
development and despoilers. Both are committed to this land and I have a
lot of respect and admiration for them in how they have made Alaska their
home. Their passion for this land is in keeping with its magnificence.
Until today, it looked as though a divisive thread was fading out, one
in which a remark not intended to offend had been taken as offensive and
quickly grew into a rage.
I thought it had died out and was thankful.
We've all been in here long enough to know in as diverse and opinionated
a group as we Alaskans tend to be there will inevitably be times when we
disagree with each other. It can get heated, even very strong...but within
that disagreement we generally try to argue without resorting to personal
attack (except in the case of the AIP whose only real purpose anymore is to
be the butt of jokes, anyway).
Jan..you may not want to read the rest of this but at the risk of losing
your friendship, I have to be both blunt and honest.
When I finished reading your recent posting in which you very savagely
attacked Michelle, I was stunned. I could only keep thinking that was not
you that had posted that but there was no way to ignore that you had. I'm
no pure white lily when it comes to name-calling, that's for sure, but this
went beyond even that. This was intended to hurt and hurt deeply. Your
remarks about Michelle perhaps deserving to be stuck in Florida were cruel
and not warranted in even this most argumentative of newsgroups.
Some time ago I began to correspond with Michelle. She had posted in
here of her lifelong desire to live in Alaska and that's the sort of
yearning I cannot ignore. We became friends and in time she was able to
move up and realize her dream. Life went on for a while; she was
finding...as we all have...that the realities of Alaska far exceed the
dreams of it and she was putting down roots to stay the rest of her life.
Through no fault of her own almost literally overnight that was all taken
away from her with no chance of her being able to stay here. You know...I
helped her load her truck the morning she left. As she drove off I could
almost hear her heart breaking.
I would not have been able to do that. And if somehow I ever did have
to leave Alaska, I honestly don't think I would last very long. So I could
imagine how she felt. She had invested her life here and it was all gone.
To then post in here that she should just stay there was more than
uncommonly vicious. It was a deep disappointment to me to see you say
those things, Jan, for I know you are bigger than that. I know you are
better than that. But this time you weren't.
I've seen a lot of insults flow under the bridge here. I've contributed
my share, too. But in all my time I do not believe I have ever seen such
acid poured on the raw wound of another's already-aching heart.
There was no reason for it. No justification. Nothing that would
warrant so carnivorous a rebuke. And so, I have to ask why you felt it
necessary to write those words, Jan..knowing full well you were hitting a
fellow Alaskan as hard and as deep as you possibly could with a verbal
assault whose only purpose was to cause pain.
I'm not sure--if there is an answer to that--that I would care to hear
it. It cannot speak well of you, no matter what it is.
It was of no consequence to you that Michelle is as German as yourself.
It may well not matter to you in responding to this, if you so choose, that
I also have a great deal of the Teutonic blood in my ancestry. And I may
wind up labelled an "isolated weirdo" regardless. Germany has no monopoly
on its bloody history. There is not a nation in this world that has a
spotless past. What Michelle posted was historically correct; it was
accurate. It was disturbing, yes, to bring up those memories but it was to
an important point that was done. Your disagreement was certainly your
right, but it was from the beginning couched in terms that tore more at the
person and less at the point. Then came the recent posting in which all
reasonable, decent thought was absent and in it's place was pure venom.
Well...that's done and there's nothing can change it.
Yes, you hurt Michelle with what you wrote here. If that brings you
any satisfaction, then so be it. I cannot imagine wanting to carry that in
my heart, though, for it surely will poison you far worse than it could
hurt her. And in the end, as I lost a dear dog, I could lose a dear
friend.
That last is up to you, Jan. I have written this to you not at
Michelle's request for she has never asked such a thing of me. I have
written this because I do not want to lose your friendship....but I cannot
stand by and see another friend of mine so savaged.
Michelle will return to Alaska. I know nothing surer in life than that.
She will stay and she will thrive for she will finally be home.
Jan..you know what that is like. So do I. So do many of us here who were
not born here but have given our hearts to this land. There are few
feelings more intense to a true Alaskan than coming back to this
magnificent wilderness after having to live elsewhere. It is like a reason
finally found for living. It is my hope..and I say this with all my
heart...that she will be welcome at your table, welcome as only a genuine
Alaskan knows how to welcome.
It's a big place, Jan. It takes people with big hearts to live here.
I know you have that in you. Prove my faith in you is not wrong...please?
....Art, in my cabin in the woods.....