THE GRAND BARN accurately presented by Thaila Riden
Peter Riden
son, Thaila Riden, is really up to the task of keeping up the vision I
have brought forth with THE GRAND BARN.... read on... and you'll
realize that he is adequately ready and truly Heir to the Throne.
Here are his words... Say what??
Welcome to THE GRAND BARN group, where you can find updates, photos
and other news related to THE GRAND BARN (TGB). Don't know what TGB
is? Then, read on my friend.
It's hard to describe what TGB is, because it is many different things
to many different people. Also, labels don't always do a great job of
encapsulating all that TGB is either, so here is an overview that
should help.
Physically speaking, TGB is a resort consisting of a huge retrofitted
barn sitting on 250 acres of beautiful eastern Ontario countryside. It
offers a swimming pool, hot tub, garden plots, volleyball, badminton,
ping-pong, games, The Loft clubhouse with fully equipped stage,
general store, restaurant kitchen, 40+ acres of forest (aka The
Back~40) with trails, Desire Lake, camp-sites, and trailer
accommodations. Which is all very nice, but that really doesn't
explain what to do with all of that stuff.
What we at TGB try to do is provide a Sanctuary for Freedom. It is
about opening your mind to ideas, music, culture, art, science and
other children of the mind while appreciating the virtues of the
physical world, which of course includes the human body itself
experiencing our 250 acres where you can enjoy the "Freedom to Be" in
a clothing optional environment.
Wait a minute, what's with the clothing optional part you may ask?
It's actually quite a big part of our philosophy to be "At Ease With
Nudity." Lots of things are always nude, like animals (well under all
that fur and feathers they are), trees and rocks which we generally
are used to. Humans tend not to be nude and will have varying levels
of dress. Depending on your creed, a human body totally unclothed can
be a big deal. Some would say, that being nude is one or a combination
of being immodest, removing status and dignity, being stupid (if
frying bacon or skiing nude for example), being immoral, and/or being
sexual. Now clothes have their place, (remember the frying bacon
bit?). We at TGB feel that the human body, though integral to a
person, does not constitute the person as a whole. It's really how you
perceive a nude body that makes it an evil thing, or a shameful thing,
or an ugly thing that's shameful, or something that should be hidden
to prevent temptation. Your body is how you interact in this world,
which is pretty important ... special even. No doubt it can take a
giant leap to use self control to put aside any conceptions of a nude
body and treat it with dignity, and furthermore moving past the fact
that someone is even nude and just perceive the individual as they
are. THE GRAND BARN is an excellent place to make that leap. If you
have made that leap already, all the more reason to visit! Some people
are nervous about going nude themselves and that's fine. TGB wouldn't
be clothing optional if we had a dress code, or to be more exact, a
non-dress code. Some people shed their clothes for the attention that
it gets them from others, some do it for themselves. It's up to you to
find what you want to get out of the experience. We understand it can
be a culture shock, and since we advocate choice, your timetable to
figure things out is up to you.
What about rules then? Simply put, there are no rules at THE GRAND
BARN, other than the rules of conduct that you use to interact with
people on a day to day basis, also known as common sense. Attendance
at TGB is limited to Adults (18+) so that we ensure attendees will
have had some experience using common sense. As long as you are
respectful and courteous of all the people who are communally
co-mingling then everyone's actions are self regulated and in no need
of any explicit rules. Consensual etiquette, whether sexual,
relational or communal is the key to harmonious social recreation. If
you're not respectful of other people's consent, THE GRAND BARN is not
for you.
THE GRAND BARN is also a great venue for special occasions, potlucks,
concerts, excursions, workshops among other things. So if you think
that you (with or without a group of friends) would want to find a
place where you can gather and celebrate (be it an anniversary, a
promotion, a wedding, etc...) and you want plenty of space to make the
most of being together?? Then pay yourself a good time and your chance
to feel connected with like-minded and potential new friends at THE
GRAND BARN.
http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4732625826
http://groups.myspace.com/TheGrandBarn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/N-u-d-eRecreation
Anna
So what does what happens at your Fuck Farm have to do with
nonsexualized social nudity.
Zee
>
> So what does what happens at your Fuck Farm have to do with
>
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tsh tsh...Anna....social nudity is the name of the game in rec
nude...right....that is the common denominator....jz
Peter Riden
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4732625826
http://groups.myspace.com/TheGrandBarn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/N-u-d-eRecreation
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>
> tsh tsh...Anna....social nudity is the name of the game in rec
> nude...right....that is the common denominator....jz
fucked mind,... (did I write that?? Of course I did!!..;-) has to keep
bringing us those who derogate to the mantra sang by the few fixated
ones, in here. Of course, as you can read, Thaila is as much a freedom
lover as you and I from our younger days to these days, John.
"Anna" better not know all the great things we both did to make The
Beauties happy.
Maybe "Anna" is missing a good physical squeeze..;-)
Seriously, I'm sure that many appreciate Thaila's presentation of THE
GRAND BARN and are not all fixated on a Fuck Farm like the gross
imagery that keeps hunting "Anna" and those "Anna" thinks speaking
for.
IN Friendship,
Peter Riden
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/
Zee
>
> > > So what does what happens at your Fuck Farm have to do with
> > > nonsexualized social nudity.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > tsh tsh...Anna....social nudity is the name of the game in rec
> > nude...right....that is the common denominator....jz
>
> Rightly pointed out, John... and, like I said before, "Anna", in its
> fucked mind,... (did I write that?? Of course I did!!..;-) has to keep
> bringing us those who derogate to the mantra sang by the few fixated
> ones, in here. Of course, as you can read, Thaila is as much a freedom
> lover as you and I from our younger days to these days, John.
> "Anna" better not know all the great things we both did to make The
> Beauties happy.
> Maybe "Anna" is missing a good physical squeeze..;-)
> Seriously, I'm sure that many appreciate Thaila's presentation of THE
> GRAND BARN and are not all fixated on a Fuck Farm like the gross
> imagery that keeps hunting "Anna" and those "Anna" thinks speaking
> for.
> IN Friendship,
>
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well i agree....she seems to have her ideas of what the organized
nudist clubs l... to only discuss their ideas in rec nude but rec nude
is the world free press for all social nudism/nudity....even massage
parlors that might think of a place to bring their message would be
most fitting....it is all in the sex business family.....i think
thaila has a solid education about this business and will do extremely
well.....regards...john
Terry J. Wood
ab86-d5d...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com:
> he is adequately ready and truly Heir to the Throne
He has my deepest sympathy.
Stuffed Tiger
<Affi...@the-grand-barn.com> wrote:
>...
>What we at TGB try to do is provide a Sanctuary for Freedom. It is
>about opening your mind to ideas, music, culture, art, science and
>other children of the mind ...
Damn, Peter. I think I'll give up on the Smithsonian, FI, MOMA and all
the rest and head on out to the Grand Barn to open my mind to some
real science and art. :-)
Ken S. Tucker
On Aug 19, 12:27 pm, Peter Riden <Affil...@the-grand-barn.com> wrote:
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Wife and I enjoy nude freedom. Thing is I'm a
tobacco smoker, enjoy a drink, and we enjoy
an "off color" joke, and we're ok with swearing,
however I do not like that when kids are there,
because I think an example should be set, so
we prefer an "adult" club, that allows people
to express themselves, even exhibitionistically.
We're affectionate, and enjoy a hug or dance,
and accept people as they are.
I think it's a good release of tension.
Ken
Zee
>
> Wife and I enjoy nude freedom. Thing is I'm a
> tobacco smoker, enjoy a drink, and we enjoy
> an "off color" joke, and we're ok with swearing,
> however I do not like that when kids are there,
> because I think an example should be set, so
> we prefer an "adult" club, that allows people
> to express themselves, even exhibitionistically.
>
> We're affectionate, and enjoy a hug or dance,
> and accept people as they are.
> I think it's a good release of tension.
>
> - Show quoted text -
then may you never be far from a git neddid nudist farm.....voyeurism
and exhibitionism abounds.....jz
Peter Riden
I believe Ken (Tucker) and his supportive Darling will feel at the
right place at THE GRAND BARN... which is not necessarily "a git
neddid nudist farm" but definitely a farm environment where Nudity is
a free chosen part of the equation. And I fully support the idea that
Ken states "We're affectionate, and enjoy a hug or dance, and accept
people as they are. I think it's a good release of tension" as it
summarizes the kind of friends Thaila and all the team at TGB want to
see coming our way..;-)
As for "voyeurism and exhibitionism" it is a fact that it exist
wherever human's Nudity is part of an environment. Some might deny
such but we know better..;-)
It doesn't physically harm anyone and that's what matters most..;-)
And as Thaila rightly points out...."As long as you are respectful and
courteous of all the people who are communally co-mingling then
everyone's actions are self regulated and in no need of any explicit
rules. Consensual etiquette, whether sexual, relational or communal is
the key to harmonious social recreation. If you're not respectful of
other people's consent, THE GRAND BARN is not for you."
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own newsgroup:
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn
Anna
>
> Wife and I enjoy nude freedom. Thing is I'm a
> tobacco smoker, enjoy a drink, and we enjoy
> an "off color" joke, and we're ok with swearing,
> however I do not like that when kids are there,
> because I think an example should be set, so
> we prefer an "adult" club, that allows people
> to express themselves, even exhibitionistically.
>
> We're affectionate, and enjoy a hug or dance,
> and accept people as they are.
> I think it's a good release of tension.
> Ken
Good for you. Just don't go to a nudist club. Just don't be a nudist.
Practice your social nudity at a swingers resort.
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
Peter....since we are not endowed in the states of having a Grand
Barn....rather a few ol nudist camps that claim they have updated..i
was speaking of the rest of the nudist camps that exist for voyeurism
and exhibitionism where patrons are said to go in private to finish
the sex act.....so you can see that all the camps are all about sex
also....just a little more sneaky....he he.....john
Ken S. Tucker
It's like pot smoking. We think it should be legal,
because it's an adult choice, though I don't smoke
it, I like the smell, but I'd get a bit uptight if people
lit joints with kids around. Swinging is in that sort
of catagory, *adult choice*, so the term adult club
is more appropriate.
Ken
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
if someone did it would probably be a kid that lit it.....time for a
kid stew huh....jz
Terry J. Wood
bafa-d80...@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> It's like pot smoking.
I think it's well understood that THE GRAND BARN has nothing to do with
family oriented naturism. What they do there is between them and the RCMP.
It has NOTHING to do with US.
Zee
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in news:4e94cc2b-6f42-434b-
> bafa-d80fcace1...@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
> > It's like pot smoking.
>
> I think it's well understood that THE GRAND BARN has nothing to do with
> family oriented naturism. What they do there is between them and the RCMP.
> It has NOTHING to do with US.
who is us....jz
Peter Riden
Good question, John.
She, Teresa (Terry) obviously means The Little Tribe.. but that's a
minority.
As for what we do... we're not dealing with RCMP or any abusive type
of big brother scrutiny as would do the members of The Little Tribe.
We despise snitches and stool pigeons. We like it face to face if
someone has any grievances.. but again that is how we are and not how
The Little Tribe operates.
And their "family oriented naturism" demands the presence of children
in a very fixated way and that is another notion that this demand has
never been part of the way we approach Nude Recreation at THE GRAND
BARN.
This is that fixation that has been long questioned by those who want
more honesty in Nude Recreation and also recognize the adult element
that will always be part of the equation. Again as Thaila wrote "What
about rules then? Simply put, there are no rules at THE GRAND
BARN, other than the rules of conduct that you use to interact with
people on a day to day basis, also known as common sense. Attendance
at TGB is limited to Adults (18+) so that we ensure attendees will
have had some experience using common sense. As long as you are
respectful and courteous of all the people who are communally
co-mingling then everyone's actions are self regulated and in no need
of any explicit rules. Consensual etiquette, whether sexual,
relational or communal is the key to harmonious social recreation. If
you're not respectful of other people's consent, THE GRAND BARN is not
for you."
The good news: we serve the needs of the many and displease only few
sad lifers.. no problems with that..;-)
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own newsgroup:
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
Zee
yep....this Grand Barn credo is the key to the advancement of social
nudity in the mainstream....consider yourself as a textile....all
textiles and the media seek out sneaks...liars..and hypocrits ....it
seems they are turned off by the deliberate activities of honest
folks....it is hard to throw rocks at honest folks.....that have no
intention of harming anyone.....yet the tribal kind doggedly continue
to pursue their handbook of dogma that has become a bore to most folks
on planet earth....cant get there from there...is what i
say.....regards...jz
Neosapienis
> Rightly pointed out, John... and, like I said before, "Anna", in its
> fucked mind,... (did I write that?? Of course I did!!..;-) has to keep
> bringing us those who derogate to the mantra sang by the few fixated
> ones, in here. Of course, as you can read, Thaila is as much a freedom
> lover as you and I from our younger days to these days, John.
> "Anna" better not know all the great things we both did to make The
> Beauties happy.
> Maybe "Anna" is missing a good physical squeeze..;-)
That's what we've all been saying for years! Though I don't know if anyone
on this list would want to give her a hug, let alone have sex with her.
Anna has been on this group more than I've had hot dinners, and she seems to
get Google alerts every time the word 'nude' or 'nudism' comes up in her
mailbox and proceeds to tell all and sundry about it. She constantly harps
on about what is considered 'bad for nudism' and thinks that it can only
exist in a world where everybody is asexual (similar to John Doan's novel
"Life One" - check it out if you haven't yet read it). Anything that is not
'family friendly' is off limits to her. She claims to be a home nudist and
never ventures out to go and see what the nudist and naturist world is
really like.
Anyway, I hope that Thaila does a good job in helping to run TGB. :-)
Peter Riden
>
> yep....this Grand Barn credo is the key to the advancement of social
> nudity in the mainstream....consider yourself as a textile....all
> textiles and the media seek out sneaks...liars..and hypocrits ....it
> seems they are turned off by the deliberate activities of honest
> folks....it is hard to throw rocks at honest folks.....that have no
> intention of harming anyone.....yet the tribal kind doggedly continue
> to pursue their handbook of dogma that has become a bore to most folks
> on planet earth....cant get there from there...is what i
> say.....regards...jz
Well understood, John.
But we know we will always have our few disgruntled detractors that
will stick to their very limited mantra while the mainstream will
genuinely look at what we offer in a more credible and non-
hypocritical way.
And, as well observed by Dario, Thaila does a good job in helping to
run TGB.
Now, when it comes to "Anna".... Dario, you and few others along with
myself know that, through "Anna" 's "assumed complaints and
disagreements, "Anna" always unearth the likes of what we offer at
TGB. "Anna" stances might be apparently unagreeable but "Anna'" works
in searching for the unrepentent ones of our kind.
There is no hypocrisy in Dario or yourself entertaining the dialogue
with "Anna' as it's really needed that we're indicated who else might
think like us even if in "Anna" 's scenario it's a full disgreement or
plain "chasteteasing"..;-)
Again... The good news: we serve the needs of the many and displease
only few
sad lifers.. no problems with that..;-)
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own newsgroup:
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
Peter Riden
wrote:
Good to read you, here, Dario. I see you're also getting some of our
few disgruntled opponents a little excited. But what matters most is
that we have plenty of support for what we stand for... Let me repeat
some of Thaila's words as you know he does a good job in helping to
run TGB....
"...THE GRAND BARN is also a great venue for special occasions,
potlucks,
concerts, excursions, workshops among other things. So if you think
that you (with or without a group of friends) would want to find a
place where you can gather and celebrate (be it an anniversary, a
promotion, a wedding, etc...) and you want plenty of space to make the
most of being together?? Then pay yourself a good time and your chance
to feel connected with like-minded and potential new friends at THE
GRAND BARN. "
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own newsgroup:
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
Zee
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> - Show quoted text -
well the problem Peter is the old nudist have died off and they are
not here to verify the years back to through the fifties and the open
literature of what was really happening from the writers of the nudist
mags....reporting the daily and weekly happening at the various
camps...it seemed the camps in california were constantly planning a
royalty or other contest for the picture to support the many
magazines.....and so they got in trouble with that pursuit and changed
their worshipping the sun into body image and touching and body
painting to attract and now the public has noticed these
changes .....word gets around and they have become their own worst
enemy because of their changing attitudes to find different sexy
things to keep em ringing the cash registers while denying that sex
was not even considered.....bawahahaheha......do they think they are
fooling some one ....oh maybe on pluto huh......john
Neosapienis
"well the problem Peter is the old nudist have died off and they are
not here to verify the years back to through the fifties and the open
literature of what was really happening from the writers of the nudist
mags....reporting the daily and weekly happening at the various
camps...it seemed the camps in california were constantly planning a
royalty or other contest for the picture to support the many
magazines.....and so they got in trouble with that pursuit and changed
their worshipping the sun into body image and touching and body
painting to attract and now the public has noticed these
changes .....word gets around and they have become their own worst
enemy because of their changing attitudes to find different sexy
things to keep em ringing the cash registers while denying that sex
was not even considered.....bawahahaheha......do they think they are
fooling some one ....oh maybe on pluto huh......john"
Speaking of which, I wonder what happened to Bert Clanton? He's been very
quiet of late.
Terry J. Wood
b018-af8...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
>> who is us....jz
> Good question, John.
> She, Teresa (Terry) obviously means The Little Tribe.. but that's a
> minority.
Us are family oriented nudists. Peter, you are quite welcome to take Z.
He's all yours!
As you've said in the past, The Grand Barn isn't about naturism. At least,
that's what you told your "pal", On~Anus. I ass-u-me that you aren't
backing away from that statement.
Zee
> Peter Riden <Affil...@the-grand-barn.com> wrote in news:cf997e47-c45e-4b39-
> b018-af88f5be7...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> who is us....jz
> > Good question, John.
> > She, Teresa (Terry) obviously means The Little Tribe.. but that's a
> > minority.
>
> Us are family oriented nudists. Peter, you are quite welcome to take Z.
>
> He's all yours!
>
> As you've said in the past, The Grand Barn isn't about naturism. At least,
> that's what you told your "pal", On~Anus. I ass-u-me that you aren't
> backing away from that statement.
there you go again....who said rec nude was anything to do with
naturism.....jz
David Patrick
travel I haven't been able to return, but it was one of the greatest,
most relaxing and healthiest weeks of my life. Peter Riden, his partner
and his kids were all friendly, helpful, concerned about my comfort,
etc. To my mind they are an incredibly well-balanced family. Thalia is
a thoughtful, contemplative guy, a hard-worker, and even then (I think
he was something like 17) would not tolerate any kind of bullshit. That
goes for the whole Riden clan. I've been to many naturist venues, but
the Barn's non-hypocritical approach to nudism is a refreshing antidote
to all the double-edged "it's NEVER about sex" lying puritanism I've
encountered elsewhere. TGB is NOT a sexual free-for-all and is not
going to bring down nudism. What will bring it down are all the shrill
voices of accusation and warring factions throughout the naturist
community. TGB is what it is and I'm damn grateful for that, all the
outraged huffing and puffing from some notwithstanding. I am not in the
employ of TGB, I don't do PR for them, I have no reason to defend the
place, other than to convey the fact of the great kindness and sanity I
experienced there. I look forward to when I can finally go back and
bask in its clear, rational approach to being At Ease with Nudity, and
just letting me be who I am, naked as the day I was born.
In article
<41ddd670-7989-45d2...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
Peter Riden <Affi...@the-grand-barn.com> wrote:
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
David Patrick
travel I haven't been able to return, but it was one of the greatest,
most relaxing and healthiest weeks of my life. Peter Riden, his partner
and his kids were all friendly, helpful, concerned about my comfort,
Terry J. Wood
CAAE79.075...@free.teranews.com:
> I spent a week at the Grand Barn
I thought you were going to say that you spent a week there one day.
Terry J. Wood
> TGB is NOT a sexual free-for-all and is not
> going to bring down nudism.
Of course not. TGB has NOTHING to do with naturism. Nothing at all. TGB
isn't a member of the FCN, now is it?
Peter Riden
> I spent a week at the Grand Barn some years back. Because of work and
> travel I haven't been able to return, but it was one of the greatest,
> most relaxing and healthiest weeks of my life. Peter Riden, his partner
> and his kids were all friendly, helpful, concerned about my comfort,
> etc. To my mind they are an incredibly well-balanced family. Thaila is
> a thoughtful, contemplative guy, a hard-worker, and even then (I think
> he was something like 17) would not tolerate any kind of bullshit. That
> goes for the whole Riden clan. I've been to many naturist venues, but
> the Barn's non-hypocritical approach to nudism is a refreshing antidote
> to all the double-edged "it's NEVER about sex" lying puritanism I've
> encountered elsewhere. TGB is NOT a sexual free-for-all and is not
> going to bring down nudism. What will bring it down are all the shrill
> voices of accusation and warring factions throughout the naturist
> community. TGB is what it is and I'm damn grateful for that, all the
> outraged huffing and puffing from some notwithstanding. I am not in the
> employ of TGB, I don't do PR for them, I have no reason to defend the
> place, other than to convey the fact of the great kindness and sanity I
> experienced there. I look forward to when I can finally go back and
> bask in its clear, rational approach to being At Ease with Nudity, and
> just letting me be who I am, naked as the day I was born.
Yes, you made the trek to come at TGB and see by yourself, years ago,
and only distance makes it a little harder to be with us on a more
regular basis.
You proudly sum up pretty much what most of our many supporters/
friends who have experienced a long enough stay at THE GRAND BARN keep
repeating.
And when I see Teresa (Terry) coming with her usual inane blurps in
regard of regional organizations as if we, at TGB, would have to
answer to those local outfits (FCN and others of the like) to be
presenting Nude Recreation as never before.
T.W.A.N. is the the most worldwide and representative organization
that can be deserving we affiliate with..;-)
Of course, a lot has been added in the last decade and now that the
big man, Thaila, is very much making his presence felt, it is proving
very much interesting and keep soffering that same scope you've felt
so comfortable with, David ...;-)
Yes, Thaila is still very much a thoughtful, contemplative guy, a hard-
worker, and would not tolerate any kind of bullshit as presented by
the few sad lifers.
So for those who share your above feelings or a seeking a place where
such feelings can truly be experienced.. come and look us up..;-)
I'm sure you're still the great prolific writer that you were,
then..;-)
In Friendship!!
Peter
> In article
> <41ddd670-7989-45d2-ab86-d5d6f04a1...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
Terry J. Wood
40be-9a44-8...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
> And when I see Teresa (Terry) coming with her usual inane blurps in
> regard of regional organizations as if we, at TGB, would have to
> answer to those local outfits (FCN and others of the like) to be
> presenting Nude Recreation as never before.
So The Grand Barn is not part of the FCN. Didn't it USED to be?
I tried searching the FCN web site for "The Grand Barn", but all I get
on their search page is: "Sorry, no matches were found containing
"Grand Barn". It seems there's no mention of TGB in the FCN.
So what happened Peter? Did you leave or did they kick you out?
Enquiring minds want to know and all that.
And if you're not a nudist and the Grand Barn isn't a nudist resort, why
are you posting to rec.nude, the FAMILY ORIENTED NATURISM NEWSGROUP?
> T.W.A.N. is the the most worldwide and representative organization
> that can be deserving we affiliate with..;-)
The World At Night? :-)
http://www.twanight.org/newtwan/about_us.asp
Or are you talking about that "organization" that you made up?
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/
According to the above web site, it's "Currently Under Construction".
BTW, you may want to have a talk with folks at the search engine
Altavista.com. They seem to have been using this "World Wide Affiliate
Network" headline since way back in 2000.
See: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63363089.html
Yeah, rotten luck that. I'm sure you can think of a new name for your
organization. After all, your web site still isn't working and it's now
2008. You're only 8 years behind Altavista. I'd say they beat you to
the punch.
So we're left with the question of which Canadian naturist organization
is the more legitimate. Gee, FCN or TWAN --- Oh, yeah, that's a HARD
ONE!
The FCN's web site, http://www.fcn.ca/ , isn't under construction so I
guess I'd have to go with them.
Don't you agree?
Dan MacKay
> Peter Riden <Affil...@the-grand-barn.com> wrote in news:bc1ccf91-1604-
> 40be-9a44-8336373c5...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > And when I see Teresa (Terry) coming with her usual inane blurps in
> > regard of regional organizations as if we, at TGB, would have to
> > answer to those local outfits (FCN and others of the like) to be
> > presenting Nude Recreation as never before.
>
> So The Grand Barn is not part of the FCN. Didn't it USED to be?
>
> I tried searching the FCN web site for "The Grand Barn", but all I get
> on their search page is: "Sorry, no matches were found containing
> "Grand Barn". It seems there's no mention of TGB in the FCN.
>
> So what happened Peter? Did you leave or did they kick you out?
> Enquiring minds want to know and all that.
>
> And if you're not a nudist and the Grand Barn isn't a nudist resort, why
> are you posting to rec.nude, the FAMILY ORIENTED NATURISM NEWSGROUP?
>
Why should they have to be part of any organization like that???
No one has ever quite given a satisfactory explanation to that one...
As to his posting to rec.nude, why not??
Neosapienis
> So The Grand Barn is not part of the FCN. Didn't it USED to be?
I think he did mention why TGB was no longer affiliated with the FCN some
time ago.
> I tried searching the FCN web site for "The Grand Barn", but all I get
> on their search page is: "Sorry, no matches were found containing
> "Grand Barn". It seems there's no mention of TGB in the FCN.
>
> So what happened Peter? Did you leave or did they kick you out?
> Enquiring minds want to know and all that.
>
> And if you're not a nudist and the Grand Barn isn't a nudist resort, why
> are you posting to rec.nude, the FAMILY ORIENTED NATURISM NEWSGROUP?
How many families post to this group now? I know that a number of members
are parents, though.
> Or are you talking about that "organization" that you made up?
>
> http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/
>
> According to the above web site, it's "Currently Under Construction".
They're probably re-doing the site as I've seen it a number of times over
the past couple of years. I've noticed that TGB's web page has also
undergone a makeover. Very nice one as well.
Neosapienis
Glad to know that you had a good time at TGB. I have also seen a couple of
movies about the place on "Canada Naturally" and the eponymous "The Grand
Barn" video (still want to get Lily's Fantastic Summer ones which were
filmed there), and I would say that Riden is quite an astute and optimistic
fellow about his approach to life in the main.
I really don't think that it can be brought down that easily either. If
people are going to make accusations about TGB, then they'd better have some
legal evidence to add weight to what they say (and the same thing goes for
every other nude venue in the world for that matter). Unfounded accusations
and 'holier than thou' attitudes towards nakedness are what is killing off
nudism, not Peter Riden.
On one of my Yahoo! groups that I am moderator for, a chap called Alex (Mr
Visions) who has been involved with TGB has said that in the 20 years it has
been trading there has only been one single incidence where a person behaved
out of character and it took only one warning to return them to order.
Other than that, there's never been any other trouble.
I think that the less rules a place has the less likelihood that people are
going to 'play up'. It sounds like TGB treats people like individuals
instead of school-kids. That's the way it ought to be.
:-)
Terry J. Wood
news:CLrsk.31145$IK1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
>> So The Grand Barn is not part of the FCN. Didn't it USED to be?
> I think he did mention why TGB was no longer affiliated with the FCN
> some time ago.
Maybe he'll tell us again. He can also tell us whether the TWAN is
bigger or smaller than the FCN. Perhaps he can tell us how many clubs
make up TWAN and where they may be located.
"Enquiring Minds" you know.
>> And if you're not a nudist and the Grand Barn isn't a nudist resort,
>> why are you posting to rec.nude, the FAMILY ORIENTED NATURISM
>> NEWSGROUP?
> How many families post to this group now? I know that a number of
> members are parents, though.
I ask the question because some time ago when that moron "On~Anus" was
terrorizing rec.nude and unjustly harassing Peter, I seem to remember
Peter saying that the only reason he posted to rec.nude was to challenge
the butt-pirate. I whole heartily agree with Peter that he was right to
set that jerk straight and not give in to the taunts.
In the course of the conversation, if memory serves me correctly, Peter
acknowledged that TGB was not a nudist/naturist resort, but was more
like Hedonism II.
Supposedly, with On~Anus gone, I have to wonder what brings a non-nudist
back to rec.nude.
If Peter is trying to drum up business for TGB that's fine. More power
to him. Perhaps it's a slow year for TGB. But it should be made clear
that TGB is not a naturist resort and what goes on there (if anything)
is not naturism.
He's certainly welcome to post in rec.nude, as are the non-nudists Z,
Anna, and Nikki Craft to name a few.
As far as how many families post to this group -- I can only speak for
one. There may indeed be more. They can speak for themselves.
>> Or are you talking about that "organization" that you made up?
>> http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/
>> According to the above web site, it's "Currently Under Construction".
> They're probably re-doing the site as I've seen it a number of times
> over the past couple of years. I've noticed that TGB's web page has
> also undergone a makeover. Very nice one as well.
I hope Peter’s posting to rec.nude isn't slowing the revamp of TWAN’s
website!
A big organization such as TWAN no doubt needs a website to address the
needs of all of its many, many members! How are they getting by without
it?
Terry J. Wood
news:qXrsk.31146$IK1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
> Unfounded accusations
> and 'holier than thou' attitudes towards nakedness are what is killing
> off nudism, not Peter Riden.
>
Peter Riden isn't even a nudist nor is TGB a nudist resort. How could
Peter be killing off nudism when he has nothing to do with it?
Count Yourblessings
"Peter Riden" <Affi...@the-grand-barn.com> wrote in message
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If TGB is limited to adults then where did Thalia live before he turned
18?
Count
Neosapienis
his legs crossed over) sitting on a fence outside TGB eating some nuts and
berries.
"Terry J. Wood" <Terry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Neosapienis
handed the business over to him.
"Count Yourblessings" <count_you...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Count Yourblessings
"Neosapienis" <dariow...@nospambigpond.com> wrote in message
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> Thaila (as well as the others) were helping to run the place before
> Peter handed the business over to him.
>
where did Thaila live before he turned 18?
Count
Terry J. Wood
>> She, Teresa (Terry) obviously means The Little Tribe.. but that's a
>> minority.
No, I mean U.S. naturists. That's US. Peter and TGB are issues for Canada
and Canadians. God bless them!
Terry J. Wood
news:JnGsk.31275$IK1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
> You reckon? Well, his Yahoo! profile shows a pic of him nude (though
> with his legs crossed over) sitting on a fence outside TGB eating some
> nuts and berries.
Well, I doubt that the late Euell Gibbons would have claimed Peter as a
naturalist because Peter eats nuts, "grape" or otherwise.
In much the same way, just being nude outdoors doesn't make one a naturist.
For instance, Nikki Craft clearly is not a naturist, even though she has
been nude at naturist venues. Her motivation, as I understood it, was not
to promote naturism, but to promote women's rights.
Nor would I consider Z to be a nudist for a variety of reasons.
There's a lot more to being a nudist than being nude.
But I hope Peter enjoys his nuts -- and berries too.
Peter Riden
> Peter Riden <Affil...@the-grand-barn.com> wrote in news:bc1ccf91-1604-
> 40be-9a44-8336373c5...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
>
> guess I'd have to go with them.
>
> Don't you agree?
properly.That's when we need people like "Anna" who, at least are more
thorough in their researches even if we do not necessarily share the
same scope.
OK
1998: http://web.archive.org/web/19981111184423/http://www.the-grand-barn.com/
That's way before any of the blurb that Teresa has fished out.
By the way we welcome T.W.A.N. other acronyms with great elation
knowingly we're the inspiration behind this, once it's obviously
observed it's from newer presentations as fished by Teresa.
1999: http://web.archive.org/web/19990125103824/http://www.the-grand-barn.com/
Well, even ON~Anon was shaking in its boots when seeing the
presentation, then.
2000: http://web.archive.org/web/20000510110918/http://www.the-grand-barn.com/
We're still there when the alleged Alta Vista according to Teresa is 8
years ahead of us. That's not too good but what can we expect of a
woman who spend so many hours to do her limited researches with no
efforts to back up properly any of her claims.
Do we keep on with the presence of THE WORLDWIDE AFFILIATE NETWORK
through the upcoming years or can we expect Teresa to have some
semblance of dignity and realize she badly faltered here. No surprise
that she insists on the local FCN. It doesn't do much for us.
Now wait till you see what's in store for the new upgraded website...
A bit like where we left in mid-summer and more.
What will be your excuse.
Sample this one and pay attention to The Art of Human Beings, not
Human Doings http://web.archive.org/web/20070216102623/www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/closer/index.php
Maybe you can still be fixated on an accordion player in the
meantime..;-)
By the way, one of my favorite presentation is the following
http://web.archive.org/web/20000510110918/http://www.the-grand-barn.com/
I believe it clearly says THE WORLDWIDE AFFILIATE NETWORK:
The Worldwide Network of Open-Minded Friends with Alternative
Lifestyles presents....
So for all others sharing our open-minded scope take it from
there..;-)
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
T.W.A.N.'s very own newsgroup:
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
The Grand Barnyard was thrown out of FCN many years ago for obvious reasons.
David Patrick
> naturist.
So, uh... there's a litmus test of what constitutes a "naturist." I
didn't know that. I thought if any individual decided he or she was a a
naturist/nudist, he or she is. End of story. Do you have the complete
list of the qualities and - maybe more important to you - thoughts of a
would-be naturist, so we can all get on the right page?
I personally think the work "naturist" is a dodge. To my mind, "nudist"
is more honest, but just plain "naked person" says it best for me.
However, these are subjective opinions and I have no general list for
others of what constitutes a nudist.
I'm a naturist, nudist or just plain naked person when I choose to be. It
must be difficult to have to keep a list of membership rules in one's head
all the time.
But we all appreciate it, so keep up the good work.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:02:15 +0200, Terry J. Wood <Terry...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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Terry J. Wood
9eb8-a4c...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> That's when we need people like "Anna"
You're welcome to her. Take her with our complements.
So Peter, how many nudist groups make up the TWAN?
Terry J. Wood
t:
> So, uh... there's a litmus test of what constitutes a "naturist." I
> didn't know that. I thought if any individual decided he or she was a
> a naturist/nudist, he or she is. End of story.
Does someone who never is nude (except in the privacy of her bathroom)
become a nudist simply because she claims to be one?
For that matter, if the late Jerry Falwell said he was a feminist, would
that have made him one?
Sure there's a litmus test. It's called common sense.
Terry J. Wood
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I wonder why Peter never mentioned this?