Letterboxed "Alien" on Sci-Fi Channel (U.S.)
The Dominion
If you get Sci-Fi Channel, be sure not to miss our presentation of ALIEN,
shown in widescreen letterboxed format. The video portion of the film
will be UNCUT (that's right, chest-burster and all) although some of the
dialogue will be replaced by the studio's overdubbed TV-censor-friendly
soundtrack.
This special presentation will be hosted by Tom Skerritt and will contain
interview footage with director Ridley Scott and materials cut from the
original theatrical release.
When will this landmark television event happen?
SATURDAY, JUNE 1 at 8pm and 12am Eastern Time (5pm and 9pm Pacific)
THIS SPECIAL WILL NOT BE REPEATED.
If you don't get Sci-Fi, call your cable operator and let them know that
you want Sci-Fi Channel now. And, in the meantime, try to make friends
with someone who does get Sci-Fi (and owns a HiFi VHS VCR...)
The Dominion (http://www.scifi.com)
Matt Martinez
Is there any never-before-seen footage, or anything like that?
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carrier doesn't carry it. Nor the cartoon network.
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Mikey wrote:
>
> In article <31AFF8...@bright.net>, Matt Martinez <jsyj...@bright.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Is there any never-before-seen footage, or anything like that?
>
> Ripley finds Capt. Dallas semicocooned and still alive as she is
> scrambling for the shuttle. Then they audio blanked a couple words that
> you can hear in the afternoon on the major networks, and gave up. Wasn't
> cable supposed to be a less censored medium way back when it was just a
> bad dream?
>
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> http://users.deltanet.com/~mjholmes/I suppose so.
Just think if they put Alien 3 on the network.
(grin) They'd have a lot of convicts saying "Oh fudge"
ttyl
Mikey
J S
On Sun, 02 Jun 1996 00:28:41 -0800, mjho...@deltanet.com (Mikey)
wrote:
Speaking of which...
Skerrit mentioned the "Aliens 4" title...sounded like "The
Reproduction"... not sure, as my husband was talking at the time...at
any rate, I immediately asked how they could possibly make another
sequel, especially since it stars Sigourney Weaver (and Winona Ryder).
He said he'd heard somewhere that they are planning to present "Alien
3" as a hyperspace dream...hence the survival of Ripley. We were also
speculating that Ryder may be playing Newt, so the dream plot would be
the only possible explanation for her survival as well.
Also...something to the effect that Ripley is an android. Has anyone
heard anything like this?
Btw...the letterboxed "Alien" was pretty great-looking. Made it seem
even more of a classic than it already is.
Samuel Stoddard
J S (jsul...@infinet.com) wrote:
: On Sun, 02 Jun 1996 00:28:41 -0800, mjho...@deltanet.com (Mikey)
: wrote:
: Speaking of which...
Actually I thought that it was 'The Resurection'. About the whole
hyper-space dream thing, at first I specualted that, but after watching
the credits of Aliens, at the very end, you can hear the unmistakable
sound of an Alien egg opening. Though it could be that the Alien
Face-Hugger gets Hicks, and only Ripley and Newt survive.
--
"No one holds command over me. No man. No god. No Prince. What is claim of
age for ones who are immortal? What is claim of power for ones who defy
death? Call your damnable hunt. We shall se who I drag screaming to hell
with me." -Gunther Dorn, Das Ungeheur Darin. Vampire The Masquerade
Scott H. Hoffmann
jsul...@infinet.com (J S) wrote:
>Speaking of which...
Here's what I heard: It's going to be called "The Resurrection" and
Ripley is going to be a clone with Ryder being an android.
Robert John Guttke
Would it help anyone to know that I read a recent interview with Ms.
Weaver, who still considering whether or not to do another 'Alien',
and it was explained that Ripley would return via cloning. Which
would be a far more reasonable transition than a 'dream' ala Dallas,
for heaven's sake.
By the way, I must have come in at the end of this, but did someone
actually SEE the famed cocooning sequence which was dropped from the
original film? I know that Scott dropped it because it slowed the
pace- and Cameron was pleased because that omission offered him the
possibilities expressed in the second film.
Ridely Scott has an odd track record for his films being chopped and
his scores being screwed up.
Don C. Aldrich
rgu...@earthlink.net (Robert John Guttke) wrote:
>By the way, I must have come in at the end of this, but did someone
>actually SEE the famed cocooning sequence which was dropped from the
>original film? I know that Scott dropped it because it slowed the
>pace- and Cameron was pleased because that omission offered him the
>possibilities expressed in the second film.
>Ridely Scott has an odd track record for his films being chopped and
>his scores being screwed up.
They showed just a few seconds of it during one of Skerritt's bits.
Simply showed Ripley going into the room, looking horrified, then a
shot of Dallas cocooned. His lips move and he groans, so you know he
is alive. And that was it.
==Dondo
2WG, Ltd.
In <4otaem$i...@acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us>
ssto...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Samuel Stoddard) writes:
J S (jsul...@infinet.com) wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jun 1996 00:28:41 -0800, mjho...@deltanet.com
(Mikey) wrote:
In article <31AFF8...@bright.net>, Matt Martinez
jsyj...@bright.net> wrote:
Is there any never-before-seen footage, or anything
like that?
I caught the last 20 minutes. There was a short bit, during
a break, where Ripley finds Capt. Dallas semicocooned and
still alive as she is scrambling for the shuttle. Then they
audio blanked a couple words that you can hear in the
afternoon on the major networks, and gave up. Wasn't cable
supposed to be a less censored medium way back when it was
just a bad dream?
Speaking of which...
Skerrit mentioned the "Aliens 4" title...sounded like "The
Reproduction"... not sure, as my husband was talking at the
time...at any rate, I immediately asked how they could possibly
make another sequel, especially since it stars Sigourney Weaver
(and Winona Ryder). He said he'd heard somewhere that they are
planning to present "Alien 3" as a hyperspace dream...hence the
survival of Ripley. We were also speculating that Ryder may be
playing Newt, so the dream plot would be the only possible
explanation for her survival as well. Also...something to the
effect that Ripley is an android. Has anyone heard anything
like this?
Btw...the letterboxed "Alien" was pretty great-looking. Made
it seem even more of a classic than it already is.
Actually I thought that it was 'The Resurection'. About the whole
hyper-space dream thing, at first I specualted that, but after
watching the credits of Aliens, at the very end, you can hear the
unmistakable sound of an Alien egg opening. Though it could be that
the Alien Face-Hugger gets Hicks, and only Ripley and Newt survive.
I remember working as an usher at a theater the summer ALIENS came out.
I used to clean that theater after the last show at night, and I'd be
standing in there, alone, the theater still dark, and just shiver at
that final facehugger noise at the very end of the credits. Love that.
About ALIEN 4, or ALIEN RESURRECTION, as the Joss Whedon script is
officially titled... the following is a reprint from my newsletter,
where I reviewed that script several months ago. There are some light
spoilers in the review, but nothing that you won't hear in the press
long before you have a chance to see the film in the theater. I
decided not to blow the film's big surprises. This should give you an
idea of what the film will be like, though, and answer some of the
above posted misconceptions:
ALIEN: RESURRECTION
scr. Joss Whedon
Well, I must first say that I was one of the hardest critics of ALIEN
3, the David Fincher film. I went to see that film with no
expectations, knowing that following James Cameron AND Ridley Scott
would be a difficult task. What finally came out was more the result
of no one person being allowed to follow their vision of what an ALIEN
film was supposed to be, and it felt like a slick, glossy nothing...
the opening killed Newt, thereby cheating us out of the emotional
resonance of the end of ALIENS. I remember being so angry from that
point on that watching the film was almost impossible. I found it to
be ugly, needlessly nihilistic, and pretentious. I wanted to place the
blame on Fincher when I saw the movie, but he’s proven me wrong since
then by directing SE7EN, which I found to be thoroughly satisfying.
Now, it seems I can’t use the old “The series is just too stale”
excuse, either. I have just finished reading Joss Whedon’s ALIEN
RESURRECTION script, and I must say... it’s good stuff. Not great...
but then again, I only read a first draft. But it was definitely a
solid, smart way to kick the ALIEN franchise back into the proper gear.
First, the question that most fans have been asking is the obvious one:
How does Ripley come back? The cloning answer is the correct one. She
is cloned using the blood that was drawn from her on Fiori-whatever,
the prison planet. Because she was carrying the alien parasite when
the blood was drawn, the parasite itself is cloned when she is,
although their DNA’s become somewhat entwined. Ripley ends up with
superhuman strength and speed, as well as slightly acidic blood, while
the aliens that are grown from her original parasite all possess
military knowledge of formation, tactics, and weaponry. They are
smarter, more human, and also more aware of how to fight dirty. Less
bug, more us.
Where does Winona Ryder come in? She plays one of a band of smugglers
who make contact with a cargo ship where the alien/cloning experiments
are taking place. Her name is Annalee Call in the film, and she’s a
tough little cookie with exceptional weapons and engine knowledge.
She’s got a secret that leads to one of the film’s big payoffs, and Fox
may have already blown this one themselves, although I will restrain
myself from doing so here. The rest of the smugglers are suitably
space-hardened character types, colorfully drawn. One of them, an
Asian badass names St. Jost (San Yost), could very well be played by
Chow Yun Fat as reported in a few magazines. It was definitely written
to fit him.
The story is very straightforward, an exercise in thrills and scares,
definitely the spiritual successor to part one and part two. The fun
here is watching this new Ripley (who never actually claims to be the
one and only Ripley, who has been dead for almost 200 years when this
film begins) assert her true nature slowly but surely over the course
of the film. She has all sorts of new tricks, just like the aliens
themselves do. There is a new Queen, and there is a second generation
alien, an Albino Newborn, that should bring the house down.
The action is nonstop, and tends to be imaginative, as well as
compelling. We’ve seen these tricks before, but Whedon constantly
finds ways to keep us jumping. I would say overall that this could do
the trick. The ending of this will have audiences out of their seats
doing laps around the theater in joy, I would think, as long as they
have the guts to go for it. It’s gonna be expensive... no doubt about
that. But it could be worth it in the long run, since this truly is
Fox’s last shot at keeping this series alive. If they shoot the film I
read, then they may have made the right decisions this time, especially
with French filmmaker Jeunet (half of the brilliant CITY OF LOST
CHILDREN/DELICATESSEN team) aboard as director now.
Drew
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2WG, Ltd. (pav...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
:
: I remember working as an usher at a theater the summer ALIENS came out.
: I used to clean that theater after the last show at night, and I'd be
: standing in there, alone, the theater still dark, and just shiver at
: that final facehugger noise at the very end of the credits. Love that.
An even better variation on that was when I saw it at the Odeon Marble
Arch (still the largest non-specialist screen in the UK) followed by a
long walk through the labyrinthine corridors (complete with ceiling
grilles) leading to the cavernous car park underneath Hyde Park...
Michael
Carl Gilbert
In article
<feedback-300...@pool023.max3.new-york.ny.dynip.alter.net>,
feed...@scifi.com (The Dominion) wrote:
>If you get Sci-Fi Channel, be sure not to miss our presentation of ALIEN,
>shown in widescreen letterboxed format. The video portion of the film
>will be UNCUT (that's right, chest-burster and all) although some of the
>dialogue will be replaced by the studio's overdubbed TV-censor-friendly
>soundtrack.
<Snip>
Saw it and absolutely loved it!! Thanks for showing it in letterbox. I
hope we'll be seeing more of this format in the future. Now if we can
only get rid of those pesky commercials - they really screwed up the
pacing of this classic!
Trevor May
In message <mjholmes-020...@news2.deltanet.com>
mjho...@deltanet.com (Mikey) writes:
> I caught the last 20 minutes. There was a short bit, during a break, where
> Ripley finds Capt. Dallas semicocooned and still alive as she is
> scrambling for the shuttle. Then they audio blanked a couple words that
> you can hear in the afternoon on the major networks, and gave up. Wasn't
> cable supposed to be a less censored medium way back when it was just a
> bad dream?
I don't know about the US, but in the UK The Sci-Fi Channel are
terrible about cutting movies. Alien always seems to be the worst off.
Maybe they should show them later in the evening and keep in the plot!
--
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Trevor May
In message <31b21a85...@news.infinet.com>
jsul...@infinet.com (J S) writes:
> Skerrit mentioned the "Aliens 4" title...sounded like "The
> Reproduction"... not sure, as my husband was talking at the time...at
The fourth movie is entitled Alien Resurrection.
Trevor May
In message <4othf2$t...@peru.it.earthlink.net>
rgu...@earthlink.net (Robert John Guttke) writes:
> By the way, I must have come in at the end of this, but did someone
> actually SEE the famed cocooning sequence which was dropped from the
> original film? I know that Scott dropped it because it slowed the
> pace- and Cameron was pleased because that omission offered him the
> possibilities expressed in the second film.
It's available in the UK VHS PAL Alien Trilogy Face-Hugger box set.
I'm not aware of it being available anywhere else (Laserdisk maybe?).
Jeffrey A Zahnen
In article <199606031...@zetnet.co.uk> trevo...@zetnet.co.uk (Trevor May) writes:
>In message <31b21a85...@news.infinet.com>
> jsul...@infinet.com (J S) writes:
>
>> Skerrit mentioned the "Aliens 4" title...sounded like "The
>> Reproduction"... not sure, as my husband was talking at the time...at
Did anyone tape a copy of the letterboxed Alien off SFC?? I missed it :(
Jeff Zahnen
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In article <31b21a85...@news.infinet.com>, jsul...@infinet.com (J S)
writes:
>Skerrit mentioned the "Aliens 4" title...sounded like "The
>Reproduction"... not sure, as my husband was talking at the time...at
>any rate, I immediately asked how they could possibly make another
>sequel, especially since it stars Sigourney Weaver (and Winona Ryder).
>He said he'd heard somewhere that they are planning to present "Alien
>3" as a hyperspace dream...hence the survival of Ripley. We were also
>speculating that Ryder may be playing Newt, so the dream plot would be
>the only possible explanation for her survival as well.
>Also...something to the effect that Ripley is an android. Has anyone
>heard anything like this?
Last I heard, it's subtitled "The Ressurection" and Weaver is Ripley's
clone, and Ryder is an android. Can't help but think I'll be waiting for
the video release unless the previews are *really* something.
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Bill Binkelman
The Dominion wrote:
>
> If you get Sci-Fi Channel, be sure not to miss our presentation of ALIEN,
> shown in widescreen letterboxed format. The video portion of the film
> will be UNCUT (that's right, chest-burster and all) although some of
the
> dialogue will be replaced by the studio's overdubbed TV-censor-friendly
> soundtrack.
Yeah, sounds pretty "uncut" to me. Ye gods, if they did a number on
THE ABYSS (PG-13) what will they do (did they do, actually) to THIS?
Bill
Jonathan C Dunn
Yes indeed. The laserdisc has a handful of scenes stuck in at the end
which were not in the original release:
Cocoon
Sitting around, discussing what to do
Ripley asks Lambert if she's ever slept with Ash (no joke)
Slightly more detail (in some of the head-bitings).
-jon dunn, seattle washington
http://nsccux.sccd.ctc.edu/~jondunn
Al Ruffinelli
On 3 Jun 1996 15:37:17 GMT, j...@math.ufl.edu wrote:
> Did anyone tape a copy of the letterboxed Alien off SFC?? I missed it :(
that could have been called "choose your censor."
ok, so it was the letterbox version instead of the mutilated tv version.
but they still had to cut some language, and they blured some pictures in
the background of naked women (when Ash is trying to kill Ripley).
so if you really want to see the movie, you still have to rent or buy the
laserdisc itself.
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Orchun Kolcu
In article <4ou92n$s...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, pav...@ix.netcom.com(2WG, Ltd.) wrote:
>the prison planet. Because she was carrying the alien parasite when
>the blood was drawn, the parasite itself is cloned when she is,
>although their DNA’s become somewhat entwined. Ripley ends up with
>superhuman strength and speed, as well as slightly acidic blood, while
>the aliens that are grown from her original parasite all possess
>military knowledge of formation, tactics, and weaponry. They are
>smarter, more human, and also more aware of how to fight dirty. Less
>bug, more us.
Good lord...
I hope it's gonna be a great movie. I really do. Even if it turns out to be
the next best thing since sliced bread, it's gonna be one with the DUMBEST
PREMISE EVER!
*sigh* now are we supposed to accept all that crap as cannon? :)
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In article <31B2CC...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>, Bill Binkelman
<bink...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
Just what we said we would. No frames cut. We did "fuzz" out the
pornographic magazine covers decorating the walls in the scene in which
Ash attacks Ripley (I didn't know we were doing this at the time I made
the previous post). But no frames were cut from the film and none of the
monster scenes were modified or obscured.
The primary reason we had to modify the language track is that our 8pm
showing airs at 5pm Pacific time, too early for NYPD BLUE-like language.
I hope this clears things up. Next time, though, we'd prefer you watch
and see for yourself, Bill...
- The Dominion
http://www.scifi.com/
Tom
>>feed...@scifi.com (The Dominion) wrote:
>>If you get Sci-Fi Channel, be sure not to miss our presentation of ALIEN,
>>shown in widescreen letterboxed format. The video portion of the film
>>dialogue will be replaced by the studio's overdubbed TV-censor-friendly
>>soundtrack.
>
>
>gil...@platinum.nb.net (Carl Gilbert) writes:
>Saw it and absolutely loved it!! Thanks for showing it in letterbox. I
>hope we'll be seeing more of this format in the future. Now if we can
>only get rid of those pesky commercials - they really screwed up the
>pacing of this classic!
The "other" censuring that took place was when Ash was trying to force the
rolled up magazine down Ripley's throat. There are nudie pinups on the
wall in the background and they put one of those mosaic filters over them
like they use with criminals faces on the tv show "COPS". Yeesh.
Tom
drmw...@iquest.net
alv...@ng.netgate.net (Al Ruffinelli) wrote:
I relly liked the version shown on the sci-fi channel. I am a HUGE
Alien buff and have been collecting different versions of the trilogy.
The special edition widescreen copy I have dosent have the 'crab
scenes in it which I thought fascinating when they showed it. I think
some of Tom's narration was a bit dismal, but we are talking about a
movie which he's tring to recollect from 25 years ago.
just my .02
DreamWalker
David
In article <4p30ne$4...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>, Orchun Kolcu <or...@umr.edu>
writes
>
>>the aliens that are grown from her original parasite all possess
>>military knowledge of formation, tactics, and weaponry. They are
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>smarter, more human, and also more aware of how to fight dirty. Less
>>bug, more us.
>
Where did riply learn about Military sciance? she was a Warrant Officer
on a Merchant ship in Alien and in Aliens Hicks give here "How to use
the Pulse rifle 101" Not spend three years at Sandhurst West Point etc
and gain your commision in the millitary.
Recedite Plebs!
Gero Rem IMPERIALEM!!
da...@moglwi.demon.co.uk
drmw...@iquest.net
j...@math.ufl.edu (Jeffrey A Zahnen) wrote:
>In article <199606031...@zetnet.co.uk> trevo...@zetnet.co.uk (Trevor May) writes:
>>In message <31b21a85...@news.infinet.com>
>> jsul...@infinet.com (J S) writes:
>>
>>> Skerrit mentioned the "Aliens 4" title...sounded like "The
>>> Reproduction"... not sure, as my husband was talking at the time...at
>Did anyone tape a copy of the letterboxed Alien off SFC?? I missed it :(
>Jeff Zahnen
>num...@grove.ufl.edu
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I did copy the broadcast and will copy it for anyone interested.
DreamWalker
George Cifrancis
Matt Martinez (jsyj...@bright.net) wrote:
: Is there any never-before-seen footage, or anything like that?
Nothing that isn't in the laserdisc boxed set.
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Mister Ring
David <da...@moglwi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
$In article <4p30ne$4...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>, Orchun Kolcu
<or...@umr.edu>
$writes
$>
$>>the aliens that are grown from her original parasite all possess
$>>military knowledge of formation, tactics, and weaponry. They are
$>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
$>>smarter, more human, and also more aware of how to fight dirty.
Less
$>>bug, more us.
$>
$>_
$Where did riply learn about Military sciance? she was a Warrant
Officer
$on a Merchant ship in Alien and in Aliens Hicks give here "How to use
$the Pulse rifle 101" Not spend three years at Sandhurst West Point
etc
The point is, these are not inherently entomological traits, unless
you count formation, which ants seem to have down well, and tactics
and weaponry, which many insects are born with. I'm looking at it
from a perspective that the alien are most like insects, from our
standpoint, than any other life we know.
Ripley may have had these traits by birth. Someone must have, or they
wouldn't exist. How would Ripley's education play into it. You don't
inherit knoledge from your parents.
i figure they've probably thought it out well enough by now, I could
be mistaken. It does seem kind of convenient. How did they rescue
this genetic material, anyhow? She did a header into molten steel!
Riv
In article <4pdc5v$2...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) wrote:
> I was just wondering. I watched Alien3 for the second time and I
> noticed something.
>
> It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
> prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english accent.
>
> Isn't this bad mouthing our friends on the other side of the
> Atlantic?
I don't know,there just seems to be something about british accents....
no, but really....I personally think it works simply because it opens the
variety of criminal types to more than your standard american punk/rapist.
I've also noticed that films often unconsciously end up casting british
actors in the more sinister roles- I wonder if there is some hidden
psychological reason for this. I mean, David Warner and Malcolm Mcdowell
are two good examples- plus for any of you who are familiar with the Star
Wars trilogy [and there must be what, a few of you? ;-)] why do you
suppose that the Emperor and most of the Imperial officers with speaking
roles are played by english actors? Do you suppose it's some subconscious
connection between the words "imperial" or "empire" and the United Kingdom
(via it's prominence as a world empire in the previous century)?
Or maybe there is something more - perhaps that we unconsciously associate
a high english accent with intelligence, which gives truly sinister
characters a greater sense of cunning/ruthlessness?
Man, someone who actually studies psychology could have a field day with
this one. American subconscious associations of British
culture/persuasion.
Anyone?
Riv
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In <4pct73$s...@newman.pcisys.net> capn...@pcisys.net (Mister Ring)
writes:
>David <da...@moglwi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>$In article <4p30ne$4...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>, Orchun Kolcu
><or...@umr.edu>
>$writes
>$>
>$>>military knowledge of formation, tactics, and weaponry. They are
>$>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>$>>smarter, more human, and also more aware of how to fight dirty.
>Less
>$>>bug, more us.
>$>
>$>_
>$Where did riply learn about Military sciance? she was a Warrant
>Officer
>$on a Merchant ship in Alien and in Aliens Hicks give here "How to use
>$the Pulse rifle 101" Not spend three years at Sandhurst West Point
>etc
I'm real scared. The new aliens are going to know how to use
power-loaders, drive APC's, know how to fly spaceships, repair
androids, and use electiocs.
Johnny Lamar Rhyne
Does any one know what Kane's duty was on the Nostromo?
Here is my crew list for the U.S.S. Nostromo
Dallas= Captain
Ripley= Warrent Officer(2nd in command)
Ash= Science/Medical Officer
Kane=????
Lambert= Navigater
Parker= Chief Engineer
Brett= Engineer
If there are errors on this list, please let me know.
Johnny Lamar Rhyne
Jeff Vavasour
I know this really doesn't have to be asked, but I'll ask anyway. I know
it's been said that being a soldier can be in one's blood, but isn't this
taking the statement a little too literally?
- Jeff
Robert John Guttke
crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) wrote:
Perhaps the clue lies in the fact the film was made in ENGLAND? Hm?
Filmed at an old powerplant in ENGLAND? A real pity we were denied,
like, those Southern California, like accents, ya know, ya know?
Merch
In article <4pdc5v$2...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) wrote:
> I was just wondering. I watched Alien3 for the second time and I
> noticed something.
>
> It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
> prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english accent.
>
> Isn't this bad mouthing our friends on the other side of the
> Atlantic?
The film was filmed, I believe, at Pinewood Studios (where Batman was
filmed) in England, and it was largely based there. This is from memory -
I haven't watched the "making of" tape for a couple years - maybe I
should.
merch, who will look into this
Steve Patterson
In article <4pdavo$n...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>, crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) says:
>
> I'm real scared. The new aliens are going to know how to use
>power-loaders, drive APC's, know how to fly spaceships, repair
>androids, and use electiocs.
"But they can't do that!! They're just dumb animals!"
---
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http://www.hookup.net/~losglobl
Steve Patterson
In article <4pdbde$3...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) says:
>
>
> Does any one know what Kane's duty was on the Nostromo?
>
> Here is my crew list for the U.S.S. Nostromo
>
> Dallas= Captain
>
> Ripley= Warrent Officer(2nd in command)
Ripley was the Warrant Officer, but she was 3rd in command.
>
> Ash= Science/Medical Officer
>
> Kane=????
Kane was the Executive Officer, and 2nd in command.
>
> Lambert= Navigater
>
> Parker= Chief Engineer
>
> Brett= Engineer
>
> If there are errors on this list, please let me know.
OK.
Tan Wei Leong
Johnny Lamar Rhyne wrote:
> It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
> prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english accent.
> Isn't this bad mouthing our friends on the other side of the
> Atlantic?
Come on, didn't you notice that all the bad guys in Star Wars spoke in English accents?
It's a little late to start worrying about bad mouthing the English... :-)
Johnny Lamar Rhyne
In <4pdlua$4...@obelix.helix.net> spatt...@wwdc.com (Steve Patterson)
writes:
>In article <4pdbde$3...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,
crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) says:
>>
>>
>> Does any one know what Kane's duty was on the Nostromo?
>>
>> Here is my crew list for the U.S.S. Nostromo
>>
>> Dallas= Captain
>>
>> Ripley= Warrent Officer(2nd in command)
>
>Ripley was the Warrant Officer, but she was 3rd in command.
>>
>> Ash= Science/Medical Officer
>>
>> Kane=????
>
>Kane was the Executive Officer, and 2nd in command.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Johnny Lamar Rhyne
In <4pdlrq$4...@obelix.helix.net> spatt...@wwdc.com (Steve Patterson)
writes:
>
>In article <4pdavo$n...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>,
crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) says:
>>
>> I'm real scared. The new aliens are going to know how to use
>>power-loaders, drive APC's, know how to fly spaceships, repair
>>androids, and use electiocs.
>
>"But they can't do that!! They're just dumb animals!"
Maybe they will be so human that they relize that mass murder is
wrong and they decide alpolgize for killing hundreds of people. Then
they decide to help the humans stop their barbaric cousins. Or maybe
they are so morally and ethically distressed that they kill themselves.
But that would be a really boring movie. We could call it "Alien :
Redeption" or " The Alien Redeption" or maybe " Alien : Forgiven".
Great Idea for a B-movie.
2WG, Ltd.
David <da...@moglwi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In article <4p30ne$4...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>, Orchun Kolcu
<or...@umr.edu> writes
(quoting my original posting, which set this whole thread
off)
"...the aliens that are grown from her original parasite
all possess military knowledge of formation, tactics,
and weaponry. They are smarter, more human, and also more
aware of how to fight dirty. Less bug, more us."
Where did riply learn about Military sciance? she was a Warrant
Officer on a Merchant ship in Alien and in Aliens Hicks give
here "How to use the Pulse rifle 101" Not spend three years at
Sandhurst West Point etc
The point is, these are not inherently entomological traits, unless
you count formation, which ants seem to have down well, and tactics
and weaponry, which many insects are born with. I'm looking at it
from a perspective that the alien are most like insects, from our
standpoint, than any other life we know.
Ripley may have had these traits by birth. Someone must have, or
they wouldn't exist. How would Ripley's education play into it.
You don't inherit knoledge from your parents.
i figure they've probaably thought it out well enough by now, I
could be mistaken. It does seem kind of convenient. How did they
rescue this genetic material, anyhow? She did a header into molten
steel!
Long before she took that header, she gave a blood sample in the lab,
in the scene with Paul McGuane (I believe, having only seen ALIEN3 on
opening day, however long ago that was), just before the alien first
arrives and sniffs her.
That's the sample they used.
Drew
2WhiteGuysOnACouch, Ltd.
"I'm a chemical SUPERFREAK, actually... but I still need a gun!"
Monkey
> i figure they've probably thought it out well enough by now, I could
> be mistaken. It does seem kind of convenient. How did they rescue
> this genetic material, anyhow? She did a header into molten steel!
>
>
clippings or blood samples from the hospital.
--
Edwardo..................................monkey@sesame.demon.co.uk
Funny quote ha ha ha
Steve Patterson
Just so long as they don't approach Ripley with glowing forefingers and
say "Ouuuchh..."
Steve Patterson
In article <gollum74-080...@sdx-ca6-25.ix.netcom.com>, goll...@ix.netcom.com (Riv) says:
>
>In article <4pdc5v$2...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
>crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) wrote:
>
>a high english accent with intelligence, which gives truly sinister
>characters a greater sense of cunning/ruthlessness?
Maybe it's all that "the Redcoats are coming!" stuff Yanks cram down their
kids throats...
Thratchen
On 9 Jun 1996, 2WG, Ltd. wrote:
> In <4pct73$s...@newman.pcisys.net> capn...@pcisys.net (Mister
> Ring) writes:
>
> David <da...@moglwi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <4p30ne$4...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>, Orchun Kolcu
> <or...@umr.edu> writes
>
> (quoting my original posting, which set this whole thread
> off)
>
> "...the aliens that are grown from her original parasite
> all possess military knowledge of formation, tactics,
> and weaponry. They are smarter, more human, and also more
> aware of how to fight dirty. Less bug, more us."
>
> Where did riply learn about Military sciance? she was a Warrant
> Officer on a Merchant ship in Alien and in Aliens Hicks give
> here "How to use the Pulse rifle 101" Not spend three years at
> Sandhurst West Point etc
>
> The point is, these are not inherently entomological traits, unless
> you count formation, which ants seem to have down well, and tactics
> and weaponry, which many insects are born with. I'm looking at it
> from a perspective that the alien are most like insects, from our
> standpoint, than any other life we know.
>
> Ripley may have had these traits by birth. Someone must have, or
> they wouldn't exist. How would Ripley's education play into it.
> You don't inherit knoledge from your parents.
>
> i figure they've probaably thought it out well enough by now, I
> could be mistaken. It does seem kind of convenient. How did they
> rescue this genetic material, anyhow? She did a header into molten
> steel!
>
> Long before she took that header, she gave a blood sample in the lab,
> in the scene with Paul McGuane (I believe, having only seen ALIEN3 on
> opening day, however long ago that was), just before the alien first
> arrives and sniffs her.
>
> That's the sample they used.
>
> Drew
> 2WhiteGuysOnACouch, Ltd.
> "I'm a chemical SUPERFREAK, actually... but I still need a gun!"
Well, Charles Dance, actually.
Thratchen
John M
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In article: <4pdc5v$2...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) writes:
>
>
> I was just wondering. I watched Alien3 for the second time and I
> noticed something.
>
> prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english accent.
>
> Isn't this bad mouthing our friends on the other side of the
> Atlantic?
>
Haven't you noticed that consistently in American films the
baddies have English accents ? Subliminal or what ?
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Paul Scholey
Tan Wei Leong <weil...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>Johnny Lamar Rhyne wrote:
>> It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
>> prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english accent.
>> Isn't this bad mouthing our friends on the other side of the
>> Atlantic?
>Come on, didn't you notice that all the bad guys in Star Wars spoke in English accents?
>It's a little late to start worrying about bad mouthing the English... :-)
Not a matter unnoticed by my countrymen & me.
May I refer you to:-
Manhunter
Die Hard (& Die Hard III, tho the less said about that the better)
Silence of the Lambs (& see above - 2 movies, same character,
different *British* actors!)
etc
The view has been expressed that whenever our US cousins require a
proper bad guy they lean towards a "heavyweight" British character
actor. Maybe we have more than our fair share... Or maybe we just
have better actors:)
I feel a fiery thread coming on...
Paul.
P...
-caveat reador- **why rely on free advice**
**when you can pay for it**
Mr. Damon Kelly
In article <4pemrs$b...@obelix.helix.net>,
Steve Patterson <spatt...@wwdc.com> wrote:
>In article <gollum74-080...@sdx-ca6-25.ix.netcom.com>, goll...@ix.netcom.com (Riv) says:
>>
>>In article <4pdc5v$2...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
>>crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) wrote:
>>
>>Or maybe there is something more - perhaps that we unconsciously associate
>>a high english accent with intelligence, which gives truly sinister
>>characters a greater sense of cunning/ruthlessness?
>
>Maybe it's all that "the Redcoats are coming!" stuff Yanks cram down their
>kids throats...
(Former-)Brits tend to be *cheap* to hire. (The currency excange rate
syndrome strikes again!) Someone mentioned that Star Wars had a lot
of Brits in it; weren't large chunks of all three films done in a large
soundstage near Surrey [sp], GB?
Other than that, the filmmakers can't use the Russians as much anymore
because of political changes, so a different foreign national has to be
used. Intelligent foreigners get British accents because of
outstanding stereotypes.
Given the current political climate of the world, it appears that
those actors of East- and Southeast Asian descent will have access to
greater job opportunities, provided that the Zhirnovsky fellow doesn't
get any more influence in current politics.
-d
--
USENET history in the making: rec.music.white-power garners over
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newsgroup ever! Refer to:
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Johnny Lamar Rhyne
In <83434106...@skol.demon.co.uk> Pa...@skol.demon.co.uk (Paul
Scholey) writes:
>
>Tan Wei Leong <weil...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>
>>Johnny Lamar Rhyne wrote:
>>> It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
>>> prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english
accent.
>>> Isn't this bad mouthing our friends on the other side of the
>>> Atlantic?
>
>>Come on, didn't you notice that all the bad guys in Star Wars spoke
in English accents?
>>It's a little late to start worrying about bad mouthing the
English... :-)
>
>Not a matter unnoticed by my countrymen & me.
>
>May I refer you to:-
>
>Die Hard (& Die Hard III, tho the less said about that the better)
I think that in Die Hard and Die Hard 3 that they are british actors
but their charactors are German.
Monkey
All the convicts are British because we british are all naturally evil.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaa......ahem
Jim
Tan Wei Leong writes
>Johnny Lamar Rhyne :
>> It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
>> prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english accent.
>> Isn't this bad mouthing our friends on the other side of the
>> Atlantic?
>
>Come on, didn't you notice that all the bad guys in Star Wars spoke in English
>accents?
>It's a little late to start worrying about bad mouthing the English... :-)
Anyway, I wouldn't worry on our account, as I'm sure you're aware, we
have our stiff upper lips to protect us...
Jim.
Jim
Mon...@sesame.demon.co.uk writes
>All the convicts are British because we british are all naturally evil.
>Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaa......ahem
'Demon' whose access numbers all end in 666. What clearer sign could you
ask for ? I believe even the reputable Michael Brooke may be involved in
this unholy conspiracy...
Jim
Mister Ring
crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) wrote:
$ I was just wondering. I watched Alien3 for the second time and I
$noticed something.
$ It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
$prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english accent.
$ Isn't this bad mouthing our friends on the other side of the
$Atlantic?
The director is British. That may play a part in the casting. And,
as it has been posted prior to me, it was filmed in Britian.
Whitey
On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Riv wrote:
> > I was just wondering. I watched Alien3 for the second time and I
> > noticed something.
> > It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
> > prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english accent.
[..]
> I don't know,there just seems to be something about british accents....
> no, but really....I personally think it works simply because it opens the
> variety of criminal types to more than your standard american punk/rapist.
> I've also noticed that films often unconsciously end up casting british
> actors in the more sinister roles- I wonder if there is some hidden
> psychological reason for this. I mean, David Warner and Malcolm Mcdowell
> are two good examples- plus for any of you who are familiar with the Star
> Wars trilogy [and there must be what, a few of you? ;-)] why do you
> suppose that the Emperor and most of the Imperial officers with speaking
> roles are played by english actors? Do you suppose it's some subconscious
> connection between the words "imperial" or "empire" and the United Kingdom
> (via it's prominence as a world empire in the previous century)?
>
> Or maybe there is something more - perhaps that we unconsciously associate
> a high english accent with intelligence, which gives truly sinister
> characters a greater sense of cunning/ruthlessness?
[..]
I was told that the English accent is associated with
intelligence (heh) and authority. Also, because the English are
(stereotypically) very reserved, the character can seem very controlled
and emotionally detached.
All the things you look for in a good bad guy...
Anyone remember any cool English characters? Alan Rickman in Die Hard is
the only one that springs immediately to my mind...
Jesper Lauridsen
What's all this fuss about? The last time I saw Alien on television, it
was uncut, letterboxed, to changing of the soundtrack, and the images
hadn't been blurred. And there wasn't any commercial breaks. That's what
I expect from a standard tv showing of a movie.
Trevor May
In message <4pdlrq$4...@obelix.helix.net>
spatt...@wwdc.com (Steve Patterson) writes:
> > I'm real scared. The new aliens are going to know how to use
> >power-loaders, drive APC's, know how to fly spaceships, repair
> >androids, and use electiocs.
> "But they can't do that!! They're just dumb animals!"
Ah! But that's what they want you to believe! ;)
--
Trevor May
Editor of The Sci-Fi Connection
ent...@webentity.co.uk
The Sci-Fi Connection (1.12beta)
The Internet Based SF&F Magazine: http://www.webentity.co.uk/sci-fi/
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Trevor May
In message <4pdc5v$2...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>
crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) writes:
> Isn't this bad mouthing our friends on the other side of the
> Atlantic?
I took it as a compliment. Notice that it's not just the prisoners
that are English. Nice to see that British acting talent hasn't been
forgotten. Of course, Paul McGann went on to become the latest Dr Who!
PS - It probably also helped that it was filmed in the UK. Alien 4
has no chance - being filmed in LA and all. :(
Trevor May
In message <gollum74-080...@sdx-ca6-25.ix.netcom.com>
goll...@ix.netcom.com (Riv) writes:
> are two good examples- plus for any of you who are familiar with the Star
> Wars trilogy [and there must be what, a few of you? ;-)] why do you
> suppose that the Emperor and most of the Imperial officers with speaking
> roles are played by english actors? Do you suppose it's some subconscious
Even Darth Vader himself was played by an English man. Of course,
James Earl Jones did his voice so that defeated the point really! :)
Glenn
In article <4pf6p3$5...@umbc7.umbc.edu>,
da...@umbc.edu (Mr. Damon Kelly) wrote:
>(Former-)Brits tend to be *cheap* to hire. (The currency excange rate
>syndrome strikes again!) Someone mentioned that Star Wars had a lot
>of Brits in it; weren't large chunks of all three films done in a large
>soundstage near Surrey [sp], GB?
>
Did you notice in Star Wars that most of the voices were dubbed over by
americans?
Back to Alien movies: Ash was British.
Akira
Johnny Lamar Rhyne
So was Kane.
Michael Brooke
Glenn (ak...@mainelink.net) wrote:
: Did you notice in Star Wars that most of the voices were dubbed over by
: americans?
Most? Who apart from Darth Vader are you referring to?
Michael
Matt Martinez
Riv wrote:
> Or maybe there is something more - perhaps that we unconsciously associate
> a high english accent with intelligence, which gives truly sinister
> characters a greater sense of cunning/ruthlessness?
>
I would have to agree with you here. I know that, to me, many British
accents carry a sound of sophistication. (The accents spoken by the
convicts in ALIEN3 don't, though. They were more Cockney accents, of
which the people who speak with them had been dubbed by someone I know as
"the hicks of Britain.") To me, there is no villain more dangerous than
an educated, cultured one.
About the convicts in ALIEN3, I don't know. Where was A3 filmed? That
could have something to do with why they are British.
--
Matt
This is my anti-sig file.
Matt Martinez
Paul Scholey wrote:
> Die Hard (& Die Hard III, tho the less said about that the better)
>
But those characters were supposed to be German. It's just that they
were portrayed by British actors.
Matt Martinez
Jim wrote:
> What accent was Sir Alec Guinness using in 'Star Wars' ? Belgian ?
> Anyway, I wouldn't worry on our account, as I'm sure you're aware, we
> have our stiff upper lips to protect us...
>
They didn't say that all the British people in Star Wars were villains,
he said that all the villains in Star Wars were British. (And don't
start talking about Darth Vader, because that's not who we're talking
about here.)
Jim
Matt Martinez writes
than villains ( the main example being Sir Alec Guinness ) I feel that
the film is hardly 'badmouthing' the British in the way that was
suggested. Obi-Wan was a fine, upstanding chap, wasn't he ? That's all.
Jim.
Trevor May
In message <4pe477$n...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>
pav...@ix.netcom.com(2WG, Ltd.) writes:
> Long before she took that header, she gave a blood sample in the lab,
Whoops! I forgot about that "minor" detail! :)
Thratchen
On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Monkey wrote:
> All the convicts are British because we british are all naturally evil.
> Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaa......ahem
> --
> Edwardo..................................monkey@sesame.demon.co.uk
>
> Funny quote ha ha ha
Are you all double-Y chromosomers, too?
Thratchen
Thratchen
No, he's right. I think Harrison Ford's voice was used for Han Solo,
Carrie Fisher's for Leia, and Mark Hamill's for Luke Skywalker. It's a
really good match-up - practically seamless.
Thratchen
PJK
In article <4pdbde$3...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,
on 9 Jun 1996 02:03:26 GMT,
Johnny Lamar Rhyne <crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny> writes:
>
> Does any one know what Kane's duty was on the Nostromo?
>
> Here is my crew list for the U.S.S. Nostromo
>
> Dallas= Captain
>
> Ripley= Warrent Officer(2nd in command)
>
> Ash= Science/Medical Officer
>
> Kane=????
>
> Lambert= Navigater
>
> Parker= Chief Engineer
>
> Brett= Engineer
>
> If there are errors on this list, please let me know.
Science Officer?
Pjk
Ted Boudreaux
In article <19960610....@vnet.ibm.com>, pet...@vnet.ibm.com: says...
Since Ripley referred to him as second in command, ("...When Dallas and Kane
are off the ship...") wouldn't that make him the XO?
Ted
Orchun Kolcu
In article <4pe0ag$q...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) wrote:
> But that would be a really boring movie. We could call it "Alien :
>Redeption" or " The Alien Redeption" or maybe " Alien : Forgiven".
>Great Idea for a B-movie.
How about "Alien: Unforgiven"? Ripley comes out of retirement and starts
wasting..wait, that one's already being filmed! :)
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In article: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960609...@tower.york.ac.uk> Whitey <sww...@york.ac.uk>
writes:
>
> On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Riv wrote:
>
> > > I was just wondering. I watched Alien3 for the second time and I
> > > noticed something.
> > > It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
> > > prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english accent.
> [..]
> > I don't know,there just seems to be something about british accents....
> > no, but really....I personally think it works simply because it opens the
> > variety of criminal types to more than your standard american punk/rapist.
> > I've also noticed that films often unconsciously end up casting british
> > actors in the more sinister roles- I wonder if there is some hidden
> > psychological reason for this. I mean, David Warner and Malcolm Mcdowell
> > Wars trilogy [and there must be what, a few of you? ;-)] why do you
> > suppose that the Emperor and most of the Imperial officers with speaking
> > roles are played by english actors? Do you suppose it's some subconscious
> > (via it's prominence as a world empire in the previous century)?
> >
> > a high english accent with intelligence, which gives truly sinister
> > characters a greater sense of cunning/ruthlessness?
>
> I was told that the English accent is associated with
> intelligence (heh) and authority. Also, because the English are
> (stereotypically) very reserved, the character can seem very controlled
> and emotionally detached.
> All the things you look for in a good bad guy...
What would have happened in the US if all the villains and
the convicts and the murderers or the bad cartoon
characters (thinking of Jeremy Irons in the Lion King)
were black or had jive accents ? or, say, Latino ? or
New Yoik ?
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Shianne
> the only one that springs immediately to my mind...
Hmmm... Perhaps Johnathon Pryce. He made a good bad guy in "Doctor and
the Devils" and "Consuming Passions" (which ought to have a thread of
its own - great cult film.) And yes, I _know_ he was in Brazil, but he
was a good guy there, and that doesn't count.
BTW - that was Peter Cushing listed above.
Christopher Lee is another good one - wonderful satiricalness about him.
Oh lovely, I do believe a just coined a word. Excuse.
Shianne
Craig Fisher
They might not have all been British. American films use the UK
accent for all foreign accents. Who knows how many countires they could
be from.
All the old WWII films where they could
not get those 15 or so German guys they used Brits to "be" foreign. Sean
Connery's (Scottish I know) accent get to be a Spanish in Highlander, and
Russian in Red October etc..
Frank Fabbrocino
Thratchen <sle...@raven.cybercomm.net> writes:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Michael Brooke wrote:
> > Glenn (ak...@mainelink.net) wrote:
> >
> > : Did you notice in Star Wars that most of the voices were dubbed over by
> > : americans?
> >
> > Most? Who apart from Darth Vader are you referring to?
> No, he's right. I think Harrison Ford's voice was used for Han Solo,
> Carrie Fisher's for Leia, and Mark Hamill's for Luke Skywalker. It's a
> really good match-up - practically seamless.
You're right! I think the Ewoks were all british too but they dubbed over
them with American voices.
Sorry, I couldn't resist! ;)
Later,
Frank
Monkey
In article <Pine.LNX.3.92.960610...@raven.cybercomm.net>
sle...@raven.cybercomm.net "Thratchen" writes:
whats Y chromnosone? is that the female one or the male one.
Matt Martinez
Jim wrote:
> I know, but given that there were British actors playing roles other
> than villains ( the main example being Sir Alec Guinness ) I feel that
> the film is hardly 'badmouthing' the British in the way that was
> suggested. Obi-Wan was a fine, upstanding chap, wasn't he ? That's all.
>
Agreed. And Obi-Wan kicked butt pretty well for an old dude.
Say, if you want to see another film with a fine, upstanding gentleman
kicking some butt, watch WHERE EAGLES DARE, starring Richard Burton.
It's really fun to watch Burton pick up a machine gun and blow people
away. :)
Matt Martinez
Whitey wrote:
> Anyone remember any cool English characters? Alan Rickman in Die Hard is
> the only one that springs immediately to my mind...
>
But he was supposed to be German.
Matt Martinez
Craig Fisher wrote:
> Sean Connery's (Scottish I know) accent get to be a Spanish in Highlander, and
> Russian in Red October etc..
>
I don't think Connery has ever been chosen for his accent, though.
Aj
Robert John Guttke wrote:
>
> crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) wrote:About Alien3
>
> Filmed at an old powerplant in ENGLAND?I thought it was filmed a Pinewood?
Saw stills that show the "Meeting Place" as a set, originally for the
Space Monk idea of Vincent Ward.
>A real pity we were denied, like, those Southern California, like
>accents, ya know, ya know?A surfer dude would never let his hair get cut that short!
--
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Steve Patterson
In article <834444...@sesame.demon.co.uk>, Monkey <Mon...@sesame.demon.co.uk> says:
>
>In article <Pine.LNX.3.92.960610...@raven.cybercomm.net>
> sle...@raven.cybercomm.net "Thratchen" writes:
>
>> Are you all double-Y chromosomers, too?
>>
>
The Y chromnosone is the genetic structure that controls curiosity and
fascination with technology. It is more active in the males of the species
(note televised study of "Tim Taylor") due to the greater presence of
chromium ions in male cerebro-spinal fluid; female expression of these
traits tend to concentrate on puzzling out inter-personal relations in
complex power-structures (note televised study of "General Hospital").
HTH!
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S.E. Morris
In article <4pf6p3$5...@umbc7.umbc.edu>,
da...@umbc.edu (Mr. Damon Kelly) writes:
>In article <4pemrs$b...@obelix.helix.net>,
>Steve Patterson <spatt...@wwdc.com> wrote:
>>In article <gollum74-080...@sdx-ca6-25.ix.netcom.com>, goll...@ix.netcom.com (Riv) says:
>>>
>>>In article <4pdc5v$2...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
>>>crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) wrote:
>>>
>>>Or maybe there is something more - perhaps that we unconsciously associate
>>>a high english accent with intelligence, which gives truly sinister
>>>characters a greater sense of cunning/ruthlessness?
>>
>>kids throats...
>
>(Former-)Brits tend to be *cheap* to hire. (The currency excange rate
>syndrome strikes again!) Someone mentioned that Star Wars had a lot
>of Brits in it; weren't large chunks of all three films done in a large
>soundstage near Surrey [sp], GB?
I can't comment on how expensive Brits are to hire - but lots of
films are filmed in the UK (including Star Wars, Indian Jones, Alien, Batman,
Judge Dredd, James Bond (obviously), Jurassic Park (*I think*), plus a
few Arnie films, etc. etc.). This has mainly to do (we are told by the
production companies) to the quality of the technical staff at
the UK studios. Apparantly if your film needs good cameramen, lighting,
sets, design, make-up, sfx, etc. etc. - then the best place to come
is the UK. (Post prodcuction fx can be done later in the US).
I guess you have to expect a lot of the extras to be Brits as well if you
are shooting so many films in England.
Also - bear in mind that actors have a greater freedom in the UK to move
between artforms. It's the norm for actors to work in tv, stage and film
and to frequently move between the three. This gives them a greater range
of experience than their US counterparts who, in general, specialise
(or get typecast) into one genre.
I've heard that a fair few producers (Lucas and JMS for example) who
strongly believe that this wide range of experience makes them better
actors and easier to work with. But I suppose that's a matter of
debate :->
>Other than that, the filmmakers can't use the Russians as much anymore
>because of political changes, so a different foreign national has to be
>used. Intelligent foreigners get British accents because of
>outstanding stereotypes.
This is true, I suppose.
>Given the current political climate of the world, it appears that
>those actors of East- and Southeast Asian descent will have access to
>greater job opportunities, provided that the Zhirnovsky fellow doesn't
>get any more influence in current politics.
-FISH- ><>
Frank Eggleston
> crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) writes:
> In <83434106...@skol.demon.co.uk> Pa...@skol.demon.co.uk (Paul
> Scholey) writes:
> >
> >Tan Wei Leong <weil...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
> >
> >>Johnny Lamar Rhyne wrote:
> >>> It seems that a great majoity of the convicts in the Fury 161
> >>> prison colony are British or, maybe they just have an english
> accent.
> >>> Atlantic?
> >
> >>Come on, didn't you notice that all the bad guys in Star Wars spoke
> in English accents?
> >>It's a little late to start worrying about bad mouthing the
> English... :-)
> >
> >Not a matter unnoticed by my countrymen & me.
> >
> >May I refer you to:-
> >
>
> >Die Hard (& Die Hard III, tho the less said about that the better)
>
> but their charactors are German.
>
>>>>
Anybody notice that Paul McGann, the latest Dr. Who (in the recent
TV film) was one of the Alien 3 convicts?
Frank Eggleston
K A Fleming
Whitey (sww...@york.ac.uk) wrote:
: Anyone remember any cool English characters? Alan Rickman in Die Hard is
: the only one that springs immediately to my mind...
Hannibal Lecter in both "Manhunter" and "Silence of the Lambs"
was played by an English actor - Brian someone and Sir Anthony
Hopkins (well...hes welsh but close enough). And he was pretty
cool for a sociopath.
PJK
In article <4pjnhm$b...@lal.interserv.net>,
on 11 Jun 1996 12:07:18 GMT,
Who was the head convict or warden?? The guy who was great as Lugg in the one
series on Mystery on PBS?
Pjk
The Bug
Matt Martinez wrote:
>
> Whitey wrote:
> > Anyone remember any cool English characters? Alan Rickman in Die Hard is
> > the only one that springs immediately to my mind...
> >
>
>
>
> Matt
>
> This is my anti-sig file.
How about Jeremy Irons and Terence Stamp? Both are fine actors and have played
wonderful Bad Guys (I don't think they qualify as BadAss, but evil is evil)
Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.
Mark Entwistle
In article <19960611....@vnet.ibm.com> pet...@vnet.ibm.com
"PJK" writes:
> Who was the head convict or warden?? The guy who was great as Lugg in
> the one series on Mystery on PBS?
I can't speak about PBS, but the head warden in 'Alien 3' was played
by Brian Glover, a big bald guy with a broad Yorkshire accent (and
in answer to a previous poster, it's about as far from a Cockney accent
as you can get if you ignore Dick Van Dyke).
His first screen appearance was as a football teacher in 'Kes', but he's
probably otherwise best known as the guy playing chess against Rik
Mayall in 'American Werewolf in London'. He's also well-known in the UK
as the voice of a cartoon character in an advert for tea, and a long
time ago he was a professional wrestler by the name of Leon Arras. There,
I think that covers it...
Mark Entwistle
Gharlane of Eddore
On Villains With Brit Accents,
In <gollum74-080...@sdx-ca6-25.ix.netcom.com>
goll...@ix.netcom.com (Riv) writes:
>
....<deletia>
>
> Or maybe there is something more - perhaps that we unconsciously associate
> a high english accent with intelligence, which gives truly sinister
> characters a greater sense of cunning/ruthlessness?
>
> Man, someone who actually studies psychology could have a field day with
> this one. American subconscious associations of British culture/persuasion.
>
Not until you can explain why Obi-Wan Kenobi was played by Sir Alec
Guinness (sp?).
The prevalence of Brit actors in the "STAR WARS" movies, for example,
is readily explained by the fact that most of the studio shooting
was *done* in the U.K., and that staging for the shooting in the
African locations was also done from the U.K.
This has a lot to do with the fact that in a perpetually depressed
socialistic economy, *everyone* works cheaper than in the Union-Owned
Hollywood Environment.
It could also have something to do with the fact that, by the time your
average Brit actor makes it through RADA, he actually KNOWS HOW TO TALK,
and is thus more likely to deliver a performance superior to that of
the average Californian Beach Bum With Delusions Of Thespian Ability.
The environment in the U.K. is also more conducive to superior efforts
and performances; always remember, the Muppets had to move to the U.K.
to get serious budget respect and a solid production contract.
Macarthur William
Back to Alan Rickman who gets my vote for the new sophisticated bad guy
crown. Not only was he in Die Hard but also Quincy Down Under and Robin
Hood, giving an inspired demented performance in the latter.
The true heir to Basil Rathbone's throne.
Leagle1140
Cabin Boy?
Allen G. Newman
>In article <4pdbde$3...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,
> on 9 Jun 1996 02:03:26 GMT,
> Johnny Lamar Rhyne <crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny> writes:
>>
>> Does any one know what Kane's duty was on the Nostromo?
>>
>> Here is my crew list for the U.S.S. Nostromo
>>
>> Dallas= Captain
>>
>> Ripley= Warrent Officer(2nd in command)
>>
>> Ash= Science/Medical Officer
>>
>> Kane=????
>>
>> Lambert= Navigater
>>
>> Parker= Chief Engineer
>>
>> Brett= Engineer
>>
>> If there are errors on this list, please let me know.
Kane was second in command. Ripley told Ash that she is in command when
Dallas and Kane are off the ship, which would make Kane first officer.
-------------------------------------------------------------
ALLEN NEWMAN: Self-taught Mac masseur since 1984, recovering
Trekkie, theatre-school groupie, mass communication product,
Superman fan, and member of the Star Wars Generation.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Armed only with a blaster pistol and an intimate knowledge of
Imperial methods, Newman prepares to go to lunch....
Glenn
In article <Pine.LNX.3.92.960610...@raven.cybercomm.net>,
Thratchen <sle...@raven.cybercomm.net> wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Michael Brooke wrote:
>
>> Glenn (ak...@mainelink.net) wrote:
>>
>> : Did you notice in Star Wars that most of the voices were dubbed over by
>> : americans?
>>
>>
>> Most? Who apart from Darth Vader are you referring to?
>>
>
>No, he's right. I think Harrison Ford's voice was used for Han Solo,
>Carrie Fisher's for Leia, and Mark Hamill's for Luke Skywalker. It's a
>really good match-up - practically seamless.
>
I meant the Imperial officers.
Besides, Harrison, Mark, and Carrie didn't do a good job looping.
Glenn
Tom Goulter
Thratchen <sle...@raven.cybercomm.net> wrote:
>
>Well, Charles Dance, actually.
>
>Thratchen
You wanna play pedantic? Let's play pedantic. Paul McGann was in the scene too.
- Tom "Pendant of the year" Goulter
Steve Patterson
What, did someone tie a rope around your ankles and hang you around the
neck of the Statue of Liberty?
(Every now and then I must endulge my pedantic tendancies, or I'll explode.)
Thratchen
On 12 Jun 1996, Tom Goulter wrote:
> Thratchen <sle...@raven.cybercomm.net> wrote:
> >
> >Well, Charles Dance, actually.
> >
> >Thratchen
>
> You wanna play pedantic? Let's play pedantic. Paul McGann was in the scene too.
>
> - Tom "Pendant of the year" Goulter
You're a pendant?
Thratchen
AD SPINK
The convicts are mainly British because Ripley has crashed on a planet
where Z-Cars actors go when they die.
PJK
In article <834520...@notlob.demon.co.uk>,
on Tue, 11 Jun 96 19:21:50 GMT,
Thanks, Mr. Mark. It was the PBS series called Campion. He plays Campion's
batman and was supposedly a former cracksman.
Pjk
Andrew Burdett
>> Who was the head convict or warden?? The guy who was great as Lugg in the
one
>> series on Mystery on PBS?
>>
>
>The head convict was played by Brian Glover an ex-wrestling British
>actor, who is a regular on British TV, altohugh he has had little in the
>way of film roles. The only other film I remember seeing him in was Leon
American Werewolf in London:-
"I remember seeing 'The Alamo'. Awfully bloody, as I remember"
"Bloody awful, more like!"
Fantastic.
He does Ads for teabags in the UK. They're crap though.
Drew.
Jim McLennan
In article <4pe0ag$q...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny "Johnny Lamar Rhyne" writes:
> In <4pdlrq$4...@obelix.helix.net> spatt...@wwdc.com (Steve Patterson)
> writes:
> >
> >In article <4pdavo$n...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>,
> crh...@ix.netcom.com(Johnny Lamar Rhyne) says:
> >>
> >> I'm real scared. The new aliens are going to know how to use
> >>power-loaders, drive APC's, know how to fly spaceships, repair
> >>androids, and use electiocs.
> >
> >"But they can't do that!! They're just dumb animals!"
>
> Maybe they will be so human that they relize that mass murder is
> wrong and they decide alpolgize for killing hundreds of people. Then
> they decide to help the humans stop their barbaric cousins. Or maybe
> they are so morally and ethically distressed that they kill themselves.
>
> But that would be a really boring movie. We could call it "Alien :
> Redeption" or " The Alien Redeption" or maybe " Alien : Forgiven".
> Great Idea for a B-movie.
Given the recent trend in Winona Ryder's movies, i.e. "How to Make an
American Quilt", the above sounds disturbingly plausible. I can see
Winona talking to the aliens about their aggression, and helping them
come to terms with their inner children. She'd probably BORE them to
death, rather than indulge in some heinous lingerie-clad mayhem. Shame!
--
Jim McLennan (unofficial keeper of the proposed Nastassja Kinski FAQ,
but until it appears, try http://www2.magmacom.com/~wduford/nasty.htm)
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