analyzing openingsequence rocky horror picture show
derk.
I'm analyzing the openingsequence of the rocky horror picture show and I
have some questions. I hope some-one can answer them.
What does "be just and fear not" mean and does it have some special meaning
in the film?
What does the text "Wait til tonite, she got hers now he'll get his" on the
car mean and does it have some special meaning in the film?
If some-one's got some interesting ideas to help me, please let me know :)
I hope my english is not too bad.
Thanks,
Derk van Beek
Sean Twomey
>
> What does "be just and fear not" mean and does it have some special
meaning
> in the film?
I believe it's the first part of a Bible verse... It says that a good
and righteous man doesn't need to fear punishment by the Lord...
> What does the text "Wait til tonite, she got hers now he'll get his" on
the
> car mean and does it have some special meaning in the film?
It's a slightly vulgar reference to the fact that now that the woman's
got her wedding ring, the guy's going to get sex on his wedding night...
Neither of them have any special relevance to the film, though -
they're just there to dress up the background of the film...
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Amy
decorate the car of the couple who just got married, to call attention to
them. People honk as they drive down the road. Your friends will decorate
your car to show their affection. We're odd.
The saying on it just refers to the idea that in a marriage, a woman is looking
to snag a man and a man is looking for sex. She got her provider, and now he's
gonna get a piece of tail.
As far as "be just and fear not", that's a good question. Columbia is the only
main character who doesn't cheat on someone or engage in mutany, but she dies
anyway.
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Amy
Crazed Imaginations, San Diego CA
MIBecky
> Hello,
> I'm analyzing the openingsequence of the rocky horror picture show and I
> have some questions. I hope some-one can answer them.
>
> What does "be just and fear not" mean and does it have some special meaning
> in the film?
No special meaning in the film - it's a grave marker, just a prop in the film.
The inscription means that if you are a 'just' person in life (a fair and
honest person, basically) you have nothing to fear in death.
> What does the text "Wait til tonite, she got hers now he'll get his" on the
> car mean and does it have some special meaning in the film?
No special meaning in the film - it's a joke about how she got her lawfully
wedded husband, now he'll FINALLY get sex. Sometimes people wait until they're
married before having sex. At least they USED to. ;)
>
> If some-one's got some interesting ideas to help me, please let me know :)
>
> I hope my english is not too bad.
>
> Thanks,
> Derk van Beek
Your English is quite impressive, actually. :)
MIBecky
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derk.
things don't have some meaning in the rest of the film. Maybe you can help
me a bit further with my research. My research question (no idea if this is
correct English) is something like; how do the stylistic elements
(mise-en-scene, sound, editing etc.) contribute to the 'dark
ambience/atmosphere' at the beginning of the film?
In the openingsequence you are watching a wedding scene but there is a
strange 'dark' vibe over it. I want to analyse how this "vibe" is created
for example by editing/sounds/clothing/camera movement etc.
I already found out that the sound of happy singing birds in the background
change into crows. That there is thunder in the background, lots lots lots
of crosses, many graves and some other things.
Does anybody have some other suggestions/ideas that can help me out?
Thanks
Derk
Larry Viezel
<derkv...@hotmail.com> says...
> Does anybody have some other suggestions/ideas that can help me out?
The switch from white flowers to black "In Memoriam" flowers. The child's
coffin in the church after the wedding.
RHPSvegas
me a bit further with my research. My research question (no idea if this is
correct English) is something like; how do the stylistic elements
(mise-en-scene, sound, editing etc.) contribute to the 'dark
ambience/atmosphere' at the beginning of the film? >>
Look at the juxtaposition of the American Gothic painting and how it's reworked
into the scene. There's a play on "American values" there. When the actual
painting shows up again inside the castle during Time Warp, look at the
position Brad and Janet have gotten themselves into - not exactly "traditional
American," is it?
Steve VanMeter
Cast Leader/Eddie
Frankie's Favorite Obsession
Las Vegas, NV
www.rockyhorrorlasvegas.com
Next Show: October 30th, 8:00 PM - Halloween!
"If immitation is the sincerest form of flatter, what is blatant ripping off
considered?"
derk.
1. Does the phrase "The Home of Happiness!" have any meaning?
2. Has it got some meaning that they marrie in an Episcopal Church? I
thought that this could be linked with the English accent of
Frank-N-Further. This because Tim Curry also is the minister and eh Tim
Curry is English ;) (so I thought!)
Episcopal Church, The
The official name for the American branch of the worldwide Anglican
Communion.
Anglican
A term which simply means "English." The Episcopal Church is part of the
worldwide Anglican Communion -- a collection of Churches around the world
that has their origins in the Church of England.
Thanks for the suggestions, I hadn't seen the flowers and the resembles with
the American Gothic painting. If somebody knows more please let me know :)
derk.
Larry Viezel
<derkv...@hotmail.com> says...
> I'm already further with my analysis so now I have some more questions :)
>
> 1. Does the phrase "The Home of Happiness!" have any meaning?
Well aside from being one of the most kick as Rocky Horror casts out there :-)
(http://www.homeofhappiness.com shameless plug) The sginificance of the phrase
home of happiness is just to furter reinforce your point about the cemetarry.
The billboard is there to promote the traditional american values of how happy
their little midwest town is. The odd part is that they put this billboard
smack in the middle of a cemetary overlooking the graves.
> 2. Has it got some meaning that they marrie in an Episcopal Church?
I think this is a bit of a stretch. Although the original shooting script
called for it to be the Denton Catholic Church. There is some significance to
it having been changed to Episcopalian but I am not sure what it is.
Larry.
Whip Pockmark
> in the film?
Yes. It is a statement of the values of the people, specifically Brad.
Remember that later in the film Brad suggests that the Time Warp is folk
dancing. It's his way of being neutral, open-minded and non-judgmental
about these people. That's the 'be just' part. The 'fear not' part is
supposed to be the natural result of being just. Janet gives into her
fears, recoiling from them from a gut instinct. "This isn't the Junior
Chamber of Commerce, Brad!" she screams, noting that she senses something
that Brad either does not sense, or does but refuses to succumb to his
fears. Brad feels that he does not have anything to fear because he is
being just. This is a fallacy of the philosophy: reason can dispel fear
but it can not dispel actual danger.
So where's the danger? The danger comes from Frankenfurter. Frank is both
the liberator and the oppressor. He is the combination promise and threat
that is ever-present in our lives. He is the quicky in the bathroom stall
that gets you off like you've never had before. He's also the disease you
catch from the encounter. He is the incredible, mind-blowing high of
cocaine, and the terrible addiction. "By the light of the night/it'll all
be alright/I'll get you a Satanic mechanic." Frank is the absolute power
given to a great man, and the corruption of that man.
I wish I still had a copy of an essay written about Rocky by a former
Frank. I would love to share it with all of you. It was theorized that
Frank was Dionysos, the Transylvanians his acolytes, and Brad and Janet
were new recruits. The "Time Warp" sets up the ritual space to perform the
initiation, and the plunge in the pool and emergence was the changing of
Brad and Janet from "two young, ordinary healthy kids" into initiates of a
cult of revelers.
The choice of the program playing on the radio as Brad and Janet drive
through the night has been seen as being foreshadowing of that change.
Nixon's disgrace was the downfall of America and the ideals of the past.
The war in Vietnam had disillusioned many, and at the time it was
difficult to know what to believe in. The sixties had brought about new
thought about everything: social values, the role of women in society,
racism, war, child rearing, and so on. While the government has slowly
evolved (and I do mean SLOWLY!) Brad and Janet were going to be rushed
through to the other side all at once.
But what of Dr. Scott? He was present for the initiaion, but was not
protected by the ritual invocation of the Time Warp, hence his continued
handicap at the end of the movie. Although, this does bring up an
interesting question: how was Dr. Scott able to lift his leg in spite of
being confined to a wheelchair? Perhaps the ritual did change him, to some
extent. Or maybe it was just a continuity glitch in the movie. Who knows?
What does the text "Wait til tonite, she got hers now he'll get his" on
> the car mean and does it have some special meaning in the film?
There is a tradition in America (and possibly other parts of the world,
I'm not sure...I've only been to weddings in America) of playing a joke on
the married couple by 'decorating' their personal vehicles with all manner
of weird items. Putting little sayings on the window is a part of the
joke. "She got hers now he'll get his" is an allusion to the fact that
Betty Monroe had reached her goal of getting a man and that Ralph will
later reach his goal of getting laid.
> If some-one's got some interesting ideas to help me, please let me know
> :)
Okay, so maybe these aren't interesting ideas. No extra charge, though.
-Whip
Whip Pockmark
> the only main character who doesn't cheat on someone or engage in
> mutany, but she dies anyway.
I think Columbia's death is a part of the morality tale. By the end of the
film she's hopelessly addicted to the "high" of Frank:
"Now the only thing that gives me hope/is my love of a certain dope"
"Frank'n'Furter it's all over/your mission is a failure/your lifestyle's
too extreme"
Riff is the consequence of excess. He's the heart attack from too much
bacon, the overdose of heroin. He is nature cutting out the extremes and
bringing balance back with cold accuracy.
Rocky is the DEFIANCE OF nature. He is life given by a man absent a woman.
He is the result of science. Frank had found "that elusive spark...the
secret to life itself." This is why Riff's laserbeams bounce off of Rocky
initially, because Rocky is capable of defying nature's
ways...temporarily. But nature ALWAYS wins in the end. You can defy nature
for a while, and she is patient enough to let you win...for a while.
The Criminologist is just a distant commentator, unaffected by the change
himself. But his words at the end are the most haunting:
"And crawling on the planet's face/some insects called the human race/lost
in time/lost in space/and meaning"
The Baby Boomers had to re-invent their place in society. The Vietnam war
didn't offer the greatness of World War II, where we were genuinely trying
to save lives. There was no great depression to pull them together, to
give them a common cause: survival. In fact, there were more issues that
threatened to rip them apart than ever before: war, the environment, the
government, race relations, unions and collective bargaining, and so
forth. Even the Grateful Dead seemed exasperated at the end of it all:
"I see you got your list out/say your piece and get out/Yes I get the
gist of it but/it's alright"
Crim is suggesting that America had lost its meaning in the world, either
through it's actions or because of happenstance. It's a problem that
continues to this day, though that day could be coming to an end. It seems
that the next great war to be fought will be not against a government but
against corporations. This war won't be fought with guns, though. It will
be fought in courts.
Just some thoughts. -Whip
MIBecky
<shoo...@theman.com> said:
Wow, Whip. You, like, broke my head 'n stuff. I would like to find a smokey
dive bar, some dank pit with dark corners and dark-stained naugahyde, put a
little Tom Waits on the player, have some whiskey and a philisophical chat with
you some time. I'm not hitting on you personally, by the way (don't worry, I'm
married. ;) - I'm just flirting with your brain. Cool? ;)
I did a paper on the significance of colors in the novel "The Great Gatsby"
when I was in high school that broke my teachers' head. That's always fun. ;)
Of course, this was back before light was invented, when people weren't so
smart.
Whip Pockmark
> In message <pan.2004.10.28....@news.23skiddoo.com>, Whip
> Pockmark <shoo...@theman.com> said:
>
> Wow, Whip. You, like, broke my head 'n stuff. I would like to find a
> smokey dive bar, some dank pit with dark corners and dark-stained
> naugahyde, put a little Tom Waits on the player, have some whiskey and a
> philisophical chat with you some time. I'm not hitting on you
> personally, by the way (don't worry, I'm married. ;) - I'm just flirting
> with your brain. Cool? ;)
>
> I did a paper on the significance of colors in the novel "The Great
> Gatsby" when I was in high school that broke my teachers' head. That's
> always fun. ;) Of course, this was back before light was invented, when
> people weren't so smart.
>
> MIBecky
Tom Waits?! You promise? I LOVE Tom Waits! Sounds like the kind of setting
custom-tailored for "Nighthawks at the Diner"! I'll show up in my
Foster-Grant wrap-around shades, you wear pasties and a g-string!
Yeah, I love making people think, laugh, or cum. -Whip
MIBecky
<shoo...@theman.com> said:
As long as you wear your leviticusly deuteronomously catastrophic lunchbox
Stetson and some "danger-high-voltage" slacks, you're on! :D I've been a Tom
Waits fan for more than half my life, since I was a freshman in high school! I
got my role in the Senior Musical by auditioning with an a-capella version
of "New Coat of Paint", in fact. Made the teacher cum. Hehe.
Now where did I put those pasties...?
richard roach
<mi_b...@yahoo.comeonyourface> says... hate me .love me . make no diff. but
you will hear ME! ;)
> In message <pan.2004.10.29....@news.23skiddoo.com>, Whip Pockmark
> <shoo...@theman.com> said:
>
> >
> > Tom Waits?! You promise? I LOVE Tom Waits! Sounds like the kind of setting
> > custom-tailored for "Nighthawks at the Diner"! I'll show up in my
> > Foster-Grant wrap-around shades, you wear pasties and a g-string!
> >
> > Yeah, I love making people think, laugh, or cum. -Whip
>
> As long as you wear your leviticusly deuteronomously catastrophic lunchbox
> Stetson and some "danger-high-voltage" slacks, you're on! :D I've been a Tom
> Waits fan for more than half my life, since I was a freshman in high school!
I
> got my role in the Senior Musical by auditioning with an a-capella version
> of "New Coat of Paint", in fact. Made the teacher cum. Hehe.
>
would have loved to see that becky! long time no hi. hows things girl?
> Now where did I put those pasties...?
>
> MIBecky
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> Rockeil, 30th RHPS Anniversary Convention, June 23-26 2005
>
> "All I got in this world is my balls and my word. I don't break them for
> anyone." - Scarface
--
lady and gentle men. take my advice pull down your pants and slide on the ice.
love life and fishnets FOREVER!!!!
MIBecky
>
>
> would have loved to see that becky! long time no hi. hows things girl?
HEY!!! :D Things are pretty weird. Which is good. ;) Busy with planning that
big thingy for June 2005. You know that thingy???
Actually, today I'm doing the most horrendously time-wasting thing known to
Rocky Kind - I'm cleaning my house before hosting a cast party. WHY?!?!
Seriously??? So I can acquire cleaner stains rather than my vintage ones? Who
else cleans before hosting such a shindig? Am I having a senior moment???
How are you doin'? ;)
richard roach
Whip Pockmark
>> Foster-Grant wrap-around shades, you wear pasties and a g-string!
>>
>> Yeah, I love making people think, laugh, or cum. -Whip
>
> As long as you wear your leviticusly deuteronomously catastrophic
> lunchbox Stetson and some "danger-high-voltage" slacks, you're on! :D
> I've been a Tom Waits fan for more than half my life, since I was a
> freshman in high school! I got my role in the Senior Musical by
> auditioning with an a-capella version of "New Coat of Paint", in fact.
> Made the teacher cum. Hehe.
>
> Now where did I put those pasties...?
>
> MIBecky
They were last seen on 42nd avenue walking a poodle and hoping not to get
splashed as cars drove by. They were headed over to Charlie Graves' place
to get a nightcap and watch as the whistle-boys blew by.
Can't eat on an empty stomach, so you gotta drink 'til you're full, else
the bartender won't tickle your palm as he shakes your hand goodnight.
Just hope the poodle is strong enough to drag you home and up the stairs,
past the cigarette butts smashed out by malcontents who work too hard for
the rent money. That's the way life goes when you live upstairs in an
unfurnished slum on the corner of Euclid and Nowheresville. -Whip
Edward Marlowe
malfunctioned, Edward thinks:
Hey, Becky. I read Gatsby for A-level back in school.... great book. I guess
you commented on the symbolic value of the fact it was a black guy that
identified the car that knocked down Myrtle - what he remembered about the car
was not that it was a rolls, but that it was "a big yellow one". Kinda
significant that with the reacial prejudice, discrimination and such that was
prevalent back then, the thing the black guy noticed first was the colour....
given that much of his life would have been directly affected by his *skin*
colour....
Howeve,r i digress...
Personally I always interpreted Frank as being Milton's Satan: the attraction
of evil, you know? He entices Brad and Janet away from their uptight nature -
which probably is too repressed - but corrupts them utterly. He is evil, yet
truly attractive with it: Justl ike Milton's Satan he is an attractive
character, yet this is a siren call and he will ultimately destroy you. Don't
get me wrong, I love the character of Frank, but it always pissed me off no
end when he's treated as a hero rather than the classical villain that he is.
I'm reminded here too of Banquo's words in Macbeth:
"But tis strange, and oftentimes to win us to our harm the instruments of
darkness tell us truths, win us with these trifles to betray us in deepest
consequence" (I think my memory is a little faulty there - those who are
interested might need to crrect my words.
The upshot of this is that evil can win you over with some truths, lull you
into a false sense of security so that then you fall for the Big Lie.
Basically i think Frank does something similar - B&J *are* too uptight, need
liberated, but Frank pushes them way over the edge. Especially Janet in a
sense: Brad fights being taken over by the transylvanian spell right to the
end ("take this dream away") whereas Janet is totally taken in by it.
Incidently, on the commentary on the DVD (or is it in the interview?), O'Brien
himself refers to Riff and Frank as being two sides of the same coin - a very
Freudian interpretation, with Frank as the self-absorbed, childish and
impulsive id, Riff as the censorious, parental ego. Intriguing.
Back to the opening sequence.... one thing that sticks in my mind bout the
wedding scene is that Betty is pregnant - i had to watch the movie a few times
before i saw it! - so underneath all of this happy occasion, with the
innocence and implication that their relationship is now going to move to a
new level it hasn't before physically as well as emotionally (see the car
writing re the physical!) is the notion that maybe they "had" to get married
cause Ralph has gotten Betty "in trouble". Is it in fact a shotgun wedding
that maybe Ralph the jock isn't so delighted about as he lets on? Seems kinda
telling - assuming I'm not reading too much into it here - that Ralph and
Betty are separated for much of this scene? Course, once you've seen Shock
Treatment (by which time R&B have divorced), this scene can't help but be a
little darker for that foreknowledge that it won't work out. With the
pregnancy thing also, never mentioned, just there it's a nice illustration of
a society where all seems jolly and fine on the surface, but underneath
there's more going on - it's not as innocent as at first appears.
Of course the researcher will have picked up on the Wizard of Oz parody of the
whole thing, which is very core to it...
--
er....did I say that out loud??
Edward Marlowe
Less Vulnerable
Dr Frank N Furter
MIBecky
> Failing entirely to notice that, yet again, his inner monologue has
> malfunctioned, Edward thinks:
>
> Hey, Becky. I read Gatsby for A-level back in school.... great book. I guess
> you commented on the symbolic value of the fact it was a black guy that
> identified the car that knocked down Myrtle - what he remembered about the
car
> was not that it was a rolls, but that it was "a big yellow one". Kinda
> significant that with the reacial prejudice, discrimination and such that
was
> prevalent back then, the thing the black guy noticed first was the
colour....
> given that much of his life would have been directly affected by his *skin*
> colour....
That, and the frequent use of other color imagery - they use lots of green in
relation to several materialistic characters, as well as other odd color
references. It's quite interesting, from that standpoint.
Your commentary regarding evil is very interesting. Thanks so much for
posting it! :) I see evil in the media and entertainment being portrayed as
black and white, as if we have to assume evil actions mean the people who took
those actions are ALL evil. Evil, like good, has many shades of gray.
Nothing is cut and dried. I think that's why I like Frank so much.
Magenta, however, is TOTALLY evil. ;)
Edward Marlowe
malfunctioned, Edward thinks:
> That, and the frequent use of other color imagery - they use lots of green
in
> relation to several materialistic characters, as well as other odd color
> references. It's quite interesting, from that standpoint.
It's the ultimate 20th Century novel. I really stand by that.
The only thing I object to is that it's so often cited as a treatise on love,
which is bollocks. It's not about love, it's about obsession. I love the
showdown in the hotel where Tom and Gatsby basically can't be distinguished
("the thing is, old Sport, she's coming home with me" - qutoing from memory,
mind) - both treating Daisy like a possession. Kinda like the pigs and the men
at the end of Animal Farm....
>
> Your commentary regarding evil is very interesting. Thanks so much for
> posting it! :)
Aw, shucks....thanks.
I see evil in the media and entertainment being portrayed as
> black and white, as if we have to assume evil actions mean the people who
took
> those actions are ALL evil. Evil, like good, has many shades of gray.
> Nothing is cut and dried. I think that's why I like Frank so much.
>
> Magenta, however, is TOTALLY evil. ;)
Heh. She is indeed - not even motivated by the childish spite that Riff has
(we're told officially that Riff and Magenta are Transylvanian Secret police
or something, to rein Furter in, but that's not made clear in the movie (a bit
like the dropping of the reference to it actually being riff's genius that
created Rocky...that would have been a pretty funny in joke on another level
with Dicky playing riff, i would have thought...), but in the movie it seems
to be the pure jealous rage of the bullied kid that eventually snaps...).
If i can say this without sounding like a pretentious arse, when I'm playing
Frank and thinking about how i as frank relate to the other characters... as
far as Magenta is concerned, she's the one i think Frank desperately wants to
shag, for no better reason than he doesn't have a chance in hell - the
challenge, you know? I tend to feel the whole dynamic between them revolves
around that. Course, I could equally be talking bollocks. :op
Whip Pockmark
>> black and white, as if we have to assume evil actions mean the people
>> who
> took
>> those actions are ALL evil. Evil, like good, has many shades of gray.
>> Nothing is cut and dried. I think that's why I like Frank so much.
>>
>> Magenta, however, is TOTALLY evil. ;)
>
> Heh. She is indeed - not even motivated by the childish spite that Riff
> has (we're told officially that Riff and Magenta are Transylvanian
> Secret police or something, to rein Furter in, but that's not made clear
> the bullied kid that eventually snaps...).
I don't think Magenta is evil. Magenta is a bit self-centered when it
comes to her wants, but she really comes off to me as being the patient
one that plays both sides for her own gains. She seems like the most
complete character in the movie, able to play along with Frank when it
suits her, but also able to shrug him off when the time comes. Her love
lies with her brother, of course, but she isn't above using him for gain.
But what gain? That's the big mystery about her. Money? Power? Fame? What
could tempt her? If I had to take a guess it would be power. But power
over what? What power does she not already possess?
> If i can say this without sounding like a pretentious arse, when I'm
> playing Frank and thinking about how i as frank relate to the other
> characters... as far as Magenta is concerned, she's the one i think
> Frank desperately wants to shag, for no better reason than he doesn't
> have a chance in hell - the challenge, you know? I tend to feel the
> whole dynamic between them revolves around that. Course, I could equally
> be talking bollocks. :op
I disagree. I think Frank *HAS* shagged Magenta, but instead of her being
put under a spell (as Columbia had) she simply collects his pleasure like
a trophy and is, ultimately, unchanged by it. THAT is where the challenge
lies. Magenta is a sexual SUPERIOR to Frank, and that's a blow to Frank's
ego. Perhaps Magenta is the CAUSE of Frank's 'too extreme' lifestyle; he
feels he's got to out-do Magenta. -Whip
MIBecky
means nothing. She's centered in physical experience to the exclusion of all
else much the same as Frank. She's a user. Of all the characters in the
film, Magenta is most like Frank, certainly. She doesn't care that cooking
Eddie hurt Columbia. She's surprised/slightly stunned when she finds out, in
fact. Therefore, Columbia is weak to her.
Some theorize that Magenta is actually the commander of the mission, and Riff
is her protector. Magenta is the right hand of the Old Queen. It's
interesting to think about. :)
Personally, to simplify things, I've always played her as a combination of
Marilyn Monroe and Betty Boop with a bit of LSD thrown in for flavor.
MIBecky
In message <pan.2004.11.13....@news.23skiddoo.com>, Whip Pockmark
Whip Pockmark
> Magenta's "total evil" lies in her blase' (sp) attitude, I think. Life
> really means nothing. She's centered in physical experience to the
> exclusion of all else much the same as Frank. She's a user. Of all the
> characters in the film, Magenta is most like Frank, certainly. She
> doesn't care that cooking Eddie hurt Columbia. She's surprised/slightly
> stunned when she finds out, in fact. Therefore, Columbia is weak to
> her.
I don't think that a blase' attitude makes her evil necessarily. If a dog
kills a human being it doesn't give any thought to the human after the
fact because it doesn't really have the capacity to in the first place. It
doesn't make the dog evil. Perhaps that's a fundamental difference in
Magenta: she doesn't have the capacity to understand why killing this or
that person would be a bad thing in and of itself, anymore than most
people think about killing this or that ant. Or perhaps she has the
capacity to do so but lacks the perspective of the 'ants' that she's
killing. Or perhaps I'm splitting hairs here over something that is just a
label put there for the sake of convenience.
> Some theorize that Magenta is actually the commander of the mission, and
> Riff is her protector. Magenta is the right hand of the Old Queen. It's
> interesting to think about. :)
I don't think Magenta needs a bodyguard, just a servant.
Let me lay a theory on you here: Magenta is female and, presumably, as it
is here on Earth, in Transylvania females are essentially the keepers of
life; they are the ones capable of giving birth. Frank isn't necessarily
gay or even bisexual, merely seeking the same advantage that Magenta has
naturally: the ability to enjoy pleasures of the flesh with both sexes AND
the ability to give birth. I think gay sex for Frank is simply another
indulgence, but his obssession is finding the secret of life, what creates
it and how it comes into being.
Frank manages to find that secret, and that might be the true key as to
why he absolutely had to die: that knowledge makes him essentially
all-powerful, and therefore a possible threat to the sex-based power
structure on Transsexual.
Then again, maybe they just couldn't figure out what the hell ELSE to do
with him (or Columbia or Rocky) and so just figured shooting them at the
end would be a nice way to wrap things up. Who knows?
> Personally, to simplify things, I've always played her as a combination
> of Marilyn Monroe and Betty Boop with a bit of LSD thrown in for flavor.
Wow, MM and BB with LSD? That sounds like a novel waiting to be written.
-Whip
Edward Marlowe
malfunctioned, Edward thinks:
>
> Personally, to simplify things, I've always played her as a combination of
> Marilyn Monroe and Betty Boop with a bit of LSD thrown in for flavor.
>
Now there's an image!! Throw in a little Betty Page and i think you're bang on
there....:o)
Wranglergrrl27
>on
This is thoroughly off topic... but I discovered just recently that my mother,
the woman who introduced me to and cultivated my love of RHPS has NEVER heard
of Betty Page. Has NO clue who she is.... it scared me.
Andi
Whip Pockmark
> mother, the woman who introduced me to and cultivated my love of RHPS
> has NEVER heard of Betty Page.
Hey, I never knew who Betty Page was either until I saw her popping up on
lunchboxes and Altoids adverts.
Aside from having a distinctive do, a good body and some guts to dress
like that in a time where it was frowned upon, what did she do, anyway? Or
is that enough? -Whip
Edward Marlowe
malfunctioned, Edward thinks:
>
> Aside from having a distinctive do, a good body and some guts to dress
> like that in a time where it was frowned upon, what did she do, anyway? Or
> is that enough? -Whip
Try www.bettypage.com - should have all the info there. I think basically she
was the original vampy pin up, and the rockabilly scene has kinda kept her
image alive - fact she was so vampy, a bit S&M and so on has also helped,
cause it's made her an appealing image to the punk and goth sets as well.
Speaking personally, she appeals to me because there's something much classier
about the stuff she did than modern porn. I'm not a fan of her topless / nudey
stuff (I'm actually extremely prudish when it comes down to it), but I love
the whip cracking suspendered (in US read: Gartered) look. I guess that's the
rocky influence - I was into Rocky long before i discovered betty Page.
BertSchnik
Betty and her photographer, Irving Klaw, were also made to appear before a
commitee in Washington to determine how "perverted" her bondage films were, and
what " to do " about them.
(Miss Paige, are you now or have you ever been a communist? Ugh.)
It wasnt until just a few years ago that she got herself a lawyer and started
getting residuals for people using her likeness.
Funny to think that this hot babe tied to a chair ( or holding a whip) is an
elderly little old lady living in a small house down south now.
Bill
Saffron Shearer-Gare
> Funny to think that this hot babe tied to a chair ( or holding a whip) is
> an
> elderly little old lady living in a small house down south now.
>
> Bill
Not such a 'little old lady'. Although she is still extremely elusive, she
does still oversee her own website and replies to fan mail. She was
photographed attending a party at the Playboy mansion ( I think) last year
and the pic was all over the Burlesque newsgroup I also frequent. Same
brilliant smile, same twinkle in the eyes and same hair-do- just grey now.
She's still got it! : )
Saff xxx
Saffron Shearer-Gare
http://thebettiepage.com/archives/2003/08/
Sorry to correct you, Ed, but Bettie was always with an IE not a Y
: )
Saff xxx
Edward Marlowe
malfunctioned, Edward thinks:
> http://thebettiepage.com/archives/2003/08/
>
> Sorry to correct you, Ed, but Bettie was always with an IE not a Y
> : )
> Saff xxx
Heh, I knew I'd get it wrong whichever i jumped for, but i was too lazy to
check :o) Happy to be corrected :o)