Where will the 25th be?
The Fixxer
Now that the stage has had its 25th....just around the corner is the one many
of us three years ago thought we would probably not be around for...but it is
looking more and more like we will be.
I know there are a few steps along the way....Denver...Tucson....Vegas. But I
wonder where the BIG one will be.
The 20th was in LA though it was originally decided that it would be in
Florida. I don't really know why they thought Florida....maybe they thought it
a neutral site as the discussion seemed to be New York or LA. There was some
talk a 25th in the UK but I think a lot of US fans could not go so I still
think Fox should host one on our soil.
And as many things as we have soiled that gives them lots of opportunity.
I think the reason Fox decided on LA for the 20th was to save travel expenses
of taking Fox people to Florida and equipment etc. It was all just here so it
was easier. I know they will not announce where it will be til the last
minute....hopefull shortly after New year 2000...the twentieth was only finally
announced in Feb 95.
I am not saying this subject will have any sway....and I am not lobbying....
Perhaps Fox will decide again to do it close to home. I understand attendance
was way down between the 15th and the 20th...so they may be even less willing
to put a lot of production cost into it.
Maybe there will be no Fox hosted 25th and we will have to have a big pool
party in Montana. Is montana the middle of the country.
A good neutral site would be where there is a place that it is cheap to travel
to like an airline hub like dallas or minneapolis or Atlanta. If they do a
neutral site that is. I can't see a New York 25th because the thing will be
too big to do at the vault again...and as Sal said it would be really cost
prohibitive to get sufficient banquet and show facilities...but what do I
know....they could afford it that is for sure.
anyway...just thinking...
Mark
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LilithFate
I was kind of under the impression that it would be in England. But, if it's
not, LA, at the Roxy maybe would kick ass, or New York, as that's where the
whole midnite shit started. Or Berkeley, so I can save big on transportation:)
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The Fixxer <thef...@aol.com> wrote:
: Now that the stage has had its 25th....just around the corner is the one many
: of us three years ago thought we would probably not be around for...but it is
: looking more and more like we will be.
:
: I know there are a few steps along the way....Denver...Tucson....Vegas. But I
: wonder where the BIG one will be.
Hmm, depends if Fox gets into it or not. -The 20th wasn't that big
and didn't result in a large money influx the way the 15th did
(because the 15th was used to announce the video release).
This has led to the San Francisco Bay Area Casts deciding it was
high time that a convention was held up here, especially seeing as
how with no money to be made this time around that Fox is unlikely
to throw a con and with the resources of 4+ casts (with many of us
making stupid amounts of money in our day jobs, thanks to the massive
software engineer shortage:-), a silver anniversary sized event to
rival a Fox event should be very possible.
While no official announcement has been made as yet (but look for
one soon!) (hell, it's ~2 years away...), we have already formed
a multi-cast planning committee and have the wheels in motion.
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Lusiphur73
i was under the impression that we had a bay area con planned for the year
2000, which would be the 25th anniversary. brady, shanshan, any more info?
jared wilke
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Zenin
Lusiphur73 <lusip...@aol.com> wrote:
: i was under the impression that we had a bay area con planned for the year
: 2000, which would be the 25th anniversary. brady, shanshan, any more info?
Yes, but not "officially" announced at this time. -I guess this kind
of announces it anyway, so be it...
See my other post for a little more info. I'll get in touch with
the other committee members and see about pushing up the priority
on a more detailed announcement considering all this thread is
stirring up.
Denise Olderr
well here is my $0.27 worth, ok the 10th was held in NY, the 15th,
and the 20th, were both held in LA,(along with the filming for fox) now
i think the 25th should be here in Chicago, because all three are the
first three largest cities in the US, and the midwest should finally get
a con. there are three casts in the chgo area, so why not, its our turn.
Fred
The Fixxer
>I was kind of under the impression that it would be in England.
our own stateside out of respect for all those who could not make it to England
but I am thinking if Florida was nixed for the 20th and if the 20th was less
popular than the 15th then why would they decide to spend More for a con that
will likely draw less...although in England it might be entirely different.
>But, if it's not, LA, at the Roxy maybe would kick ass,
the pre con party for the 20th was at the Roxy and it was crowded and hot and
there was no room to breath. It was not Sal's first choice for the fan club
party and I am sure they would not do that again and the con could definitely
not be held there because of limited capacity
Mark
The Fixxer
>This has led to the San Francisco Bay Area Casts deciding it was
>high time that a convention was held up here, especially seeing as
>how with no money to be made this time around that Fox is >unlikely to throw a
con and with the resources of 4+ casts (with >many of us making stupid amounts
of money in our day jobs, >thanks to the massive software engineer shortage:-),
a silver >anniversary sized event to rival a Fox event should be very
>possible.
.........MI also has a contingency plan to host a 25th if Fox bows out. Might
be easier to try to finally attract Tim if it is close to his home...I know
Barry would have been at the 18th if he had been available and I am sure we
could get him at the 25th
But I really do think there will be at 25th because I think Sal will lobby hard
and he has pull with Lou
Markement has been made as yet (but look for
The Fixxer
I think Chicago would be good......it is central, it is a big town so theer
should be the opportunity to draw crowds...it is not the bible belt so people
there should be able to deal with us. There is the train transpo so people
without cars can get around like in NY.
And there is Fred. And Gene.
Mark
PriscellaQ
>Hmm, depends if Fox gets into it or not. -The 20th wasn't that big
>and didn't result in a large money influx the way the 15th did
>(because the 15th was used to announce the video release).
I think the 20th wasn't so big b/c Fox decided to wait until like... AUGUST
before they released any info on it...
IF Fox actually has a convention type thing, my guess is it will probably be in
LA, only b/c it's cheaper for "them" to put it on there. But of course, at
this point, the whole thing is an *IF*.
Jaimie
The Fixxer
Actually it was announced at Rocky con 95 in Beverly Hills in February,
Mark
jno...@gci-net.com
Mark, stop thinking. You'll hurt your brain! ;)
As for where the 25th SHOULD be, I think London, New York, Florida, Ohio,
Chicago, San Francisco, and Tokyo are all appropriate choices for different
reasons. Maybe even Sydney (though I believe the Olympics will also be there
in the Year 2000.)
As for where I would like the 25th to be? My fantasy (and yes folks, it IS
fantasy) is for everyone to get to stay at Ceaser's Palace (or ironically, MGM
Grand) and then have the 25th be a PUBLIC event held on some stage somewhere
with Tim Curry, O'Brien, Nell, Meatloaf, Pat, Susan, Barry, John Adams, Sal,
Chris Malcom, Richard Hartley, Sue Blaine, Jim Sharman, Brian Thompson,
Michael White and Lou Adler somewhere. The last part on Saturday night would
feature performances by "THE" cast and then Richard as Mephistopholes Smith.
Hell is more likely to freeze over first! (And given Vegas' weather....)
Now that we've covered SHOULD and WOULD, let's try for WILL.
Lou Adler strikes me as someone who will do something to be cost-effective
and/or get a tax break. You can get rich by accident, but you certainly don't
STAY rich by accident. I'm not putting down Lou here, just being practical. I
understand the whole reason the 15th was as extravagant as it was, is because
it also served as a launching party for the video and therefore was taken by
Fox for a large tax write-off. This would also explain why we had six stars
(Tim, Richard, Pat, Nell, Meat, Barry -- Susan was a last minute cancellation)
instead of 3 for an Anniversary that was otherwise not as numerically
significant as "10", "20" or "25." (And where the only products being pushed
were an expensive laserdisc and a wonderful but limited-audience Karoke disc.)
Lou (and this may be a putdown) also strikes me as someone who could almost
care less anymore about Rocky. The sloppy laserdisc, the "accident" with
Comedy Central showings, the poor organization for the 20th (ask Sal about
Lou's travel agent) -- these things strike me that Lou is tired of Rocky to a
point, and after 20 years I can't say that I blame him (much.) When he had
kids that were younger, and it was a cash cow it's understandable he would be
more concerned. But I believe Cisco and Nicholai are now in their 20s -- Lou
probably has better things to do than worry about money, or the things that
used to make it for him. (If Lou is watching and feels I am being unfair...
feel free to reply!) Yes I am making a lot of assumptions here, but it's good
to know what perspective I am writing this from.
I think the 25th will be BIGGER than the 20th one major reason. It is the
last "BIG" anniversary until the "50th" by which time Sal will be well into
his 70s and most of us will be AT LEAST middle-aged. Rocky in 2025 is
doubtful. (Would I like to be wrong? You bet!) I think Fox and Lou will
invest the money for one, big last push for a hell of a party in 2025.
Although I had no gripes about the 20th other than "only" 3 stars showed -- it
was a more fun party than the 15th.
Now *most* of the willing-to-attend stars and fans are stateside, so this
easily leaves London, Tokyo and Sydney out. Try getting 1000-2000 Rocky fans
to save up a few thousand dollars and getting passports a year in advance --
get real! Most of us can't find our checkbook on a good day. (Larry Viezel
and his happy checkbook excluded!) And my belief is that since both Lou and
Fox are in the beautfiul Beverly Hills/Malibu/Los Angeles area that indeed
they would rather coordinate an event where all the locales are within an
hour's drive (3 hours during rush hour) than an event that is in more
expensive New York City, or mid-western Chicago. My guess is that in 2000, we
will either be again on the Fox lot (which I would adore), the Pantages,
Shubert, Dorothy Chandler, "the Pond", Tower or some other venue for a party
starring Richard, Pat, Barry and most likely Nell, Meat, Jon Adams and *maybe*
Tim. (Oh and I guess that Sal Piro fella might show up too!) :)
But you can bet your ass they will have a new product to sell (anyone notice
that the VHS special edition has been delayed indefinitely!) Hell maybe even
a new sequel! Can anyone say "major tax deduction?" I know Fox can!
There's my 27 cents worth.
In article <199805250403...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
thef...@aol.com (The Fixxer) wrote:
>
> Now that the stage has had its 25th....just around the corner is the one
many
> of us three years ago thought we would probably not be around for...but it
is
> looking more and more like we will be.
>
> I know there are a few steps along the way....Denver...Tucson....Vegas. But
I
> wonder where the BIG one will be.
>
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On Tue, 26 May 1998 06:37:15 GMT, jno...@gci-net.com wrote:
>But you can bet your ass they will have a new product to sell (anyone notice
>that the VHS special edition has been delayed indefinitely!) Hell maybe even
>a new sequel! Can anyone say "major tax deduction?" I know Fox can!
>
>There's my 27 cents worth.
Oh God, please don't start with this again! A new video I can see
happening. A sequel to RHPS, we've been over this before. When pigs
fly. :(
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what do you mean??? aren't they going to make ROTOQ into a movie? when's richard going to do it? how do you spell his
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Plan9 wrote:
> Oh God, please don't start with this again! A new video I can see
> happening. A sequel to RHPS, we've been over this before. When pigs
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Zenin
Superkev 7 <supe...@aol.com> wrote:
: I like the idea of having the 25th in Chicago, but it might be convient, and
: less expensive, if it were to be held in NYC.
I take it you're not speaking of Manhattan then, because it's one of
the most expensive locations to host anything on the planet...both
to produce and to attend...
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>>My votes are for Denton texas or Denton Maryland.<<
No, but if it had to be one of them, I've got family near Denton, Texas, and
it's closer, so I vote for the former (can you tell where my priorities are?)
Brady Ferguson
Zenin wrote:
>
> Superkev 7 <supe...@aol.com> wrote:
> : I like the idea of having the 25th in Chicago, but it might be convient, and
> : less expensive, if it were to be held in NYC.
>
> I take it you're not speaking of Manhattan then, because it's one of
> the most expensive locations to host anything on the planet...both
> to produce and to attend...
>
> --
> -Zenin (ze...@archive.rhps.org)
I think Kev was referring to the airfare and accommodations for the
**STARS**.
Regardless, my vote would be for NY. It IS a great place to be, lots of
touristy shit... etc etc. Also, the last TWO major cons were in LA.
Hey, James Norman or Zenin- what about setting up a "voting booth"
sometime between now and 2000? (it would have to be Y2K compliant). We
could present the results to Sal.... and pass it on?? Maybe that's too
efficient though for Rocky!! LOL.
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>Hmn. Well *my* vote goes for San Francisco....it makes it so I'd
definately be
>able to go. I'm selfish. Plus, this way I don't have to get a hotel room.
>Yay.
>
>---
Actually I agree. SF is very close to many of the great N.Cal casts, not
mention also being close to me!!!
Diezel Monkey
ooh, SF sounds good actually... "San Francisco... let's hold Rocky where Rocky
isn't!"
but hey, it's close to me too so it should be there. so it's decided, right?
wherever's closest to Monkey?
i shouldn't go to the east coast... the world's axis would have to move
accordingly.
-Monkey
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Brady Ferguson <bfer...@barelylegal.org> wrote:
: Regardless, my vote would be for NY. It IS a great place to be, lots of
: touristy shit... etc etc. Also, the last TWO major cons were in LA.
Same can be said for most major citys; NY, LA, SF, Boston, et al.
For you Brady, I, Larry, James, and a few others the cost of a NY
con as visiter isn't going to be a problem. But, for most Rocky
people it is. NY is *extremely* expensive place to do anything.
This could be reduced, but this last NY con did next to zero to help
reduce it this and I don't think we could count on Fox being
much better. The idea that "NY is expensive, just deal with it"
didn't fly with me at all.
Not that I'm saying Vagas would be the place for it (they've had
*far* more then there share of cons already...), it's basic setup
allows it to be a very cheap con to attend.
: Hey, James Norman or Zenin- what about setting up a "voting booth"
: sometime between now and 2000? (it would have to be Y2K compliant). We
: could present the results to Sal.... and pass it on?? Maybe that's too
: efficient though for Rocky!! LOL.
Will do.
Fnordian
Hmn. Well *my* vote goes for San Francisco....it makes it so I'd definately be
able to go. I'm selfish. Plus, this way I don't have to get a hotel room.
Yay.
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In article <356CD0...@barelylegal.org>,
bfer...@barelylegal.org wrote:
>
>Hey: James Norman or Zenin! What about setting up a "voting booth"
>sometime between now and 2000? (It would have to be Y2K compliant).
>We could present the results to Sal...and pass it on?? Maybe that's too
>efficient though for Rocky! LOL!
I second that idea! Not that 20th Century Fox would care TOO much about
what input we Rocky fans have to offer on this topic...but if we could get
Sal involved, perhaps he could then coax Lou Adler--who in turn might sway
Fox.
Of course, this would depend greatly on which city got the highest number
of votes, I think. I'm sure that if L.A. or NYC topped the list, it wouldn't
be a problem; but if alternative sites like Chicago or London wound up
winning, it might be a different story.
The key thing to remember is that 20th Century Fox does NOT want to dish
out a lot of money on a Rocky Horror convention to cover things like moving
equipment, renting space, salaries for Fox employees to work the convention,
paying for the stars to show up, etc.--unless they could be *assured* of a
LARGE return on their investment.
Still, this whole voting booth idea sounds like fun. Can it be done? And
if so, how soon?
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Diezel Monkey <mon...@the-wall.net> wrote:
: ooh, SF sounds good actually... "San Francisco... let's hold Rocky where Rocky
: isn't!"
Er, huh? What are you talking about? There are SIX casts in the
immediate area with many more not too much farther. Most of these
cast's aren't your normal 15-20 person cast either; We're talking
50-70 cast members from *each* cast for most of them. The Rocky
world in the SF Bay Area is *huge*.
It's also one of the cheaper places to hold a convention. Hotels
aren't too bad, transportation is abundant and fairly cheap, good
cheap food isn't hard to find. It's not a Vagas prices of course,
but nothing else is.
obe...@cybernex.net
In article <89632604...@thrush.omix.com>,
Zenin <ze...@bawdycaste.org> wrote:
>
> For you Brady, I, Larry, James, and a few others the cost of a NY
> con as visiter isn't going to be a problem. But, for most Rocky
> people it is. NY is *extremely* expensive place to do anything.
> This could be reduced, but this last NY con did next to zero to help
> reduce it this and I don't think we could count on Fox being
> much better. The idea that "NY is expensive, just deal with it"
> didn't fly with me at all.
Call this a biased opinion, but if you like idea of NYC, but don't think the
cost would be reasonable, you could always try having it right over the river,
here in New Jersey. That way if people want to do touristy shit, they can
just hop on the bus, or the PATH depending on where it is. I know this is a
stupid idea and based solely on my own personal convenience, but what the
hell, I can at least suggest it. ;)
-Sonja
MoogGeek
> Plus, this way I don't have to get a hotel room.
>Yay.
But isnt that half the fun of conventions???
I mean, your house may be fun, but you sure as hell cant find Quad in her
undies or a big drunk guy in a crib rolling down your halls.... well, unless
youre a Kennedy.
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Fnordian
>But isnt that half the fun of conventions???
>I mean, your house may be fun, but you sure as
>hell cant find Quad in her
>undies or a big drunk guy in a crib rolling
>down your halls....
Yes, I suppose it would be *fun*....but it's a lot more affordable to stay at
my house. Funny how that works out. Plus, I can still go to hotel
parties...uhh...I mean bible study groups....without having my own room...
>well, unless youre a Kennedy.
Shhhhhh....don't tell anyone.
~Leila Kennedy
Diezel Monkey
and god save the people who try to DRIVE in and park somewhere.
but, i still think SF would be a totally rad place for the Con...
ooh, maybe how about Palo Alto (the silicon valley's home)... i think this town
could use some more color... if the Rocky crowd can really be called colorful
hehe....
doesn't "hehe" seem really beavis and butthead-ish?
-Monkey
LilithFate wrote:
> Yep. You can get anywhere in the bay area (save San Jose? I don't remember, I
> never go there) for a maximum of 4 bucks, about (gotta love BART), the bus
> system's great, the hotels aren't too bad, pricing wise....
jno...@gci-net.com
> : Regardless, my vote would be for NY. It IS a great place to be, lots of
> : touristy shit... etc etc. Also, the last TWO major cons were in LA.
>
> Same can be said for most major citys; NY, LA, SF, Boston, et al.
>
> con as visiter isn't going to be a problem. But, for most Rocky
>
Actually Zenin, part of the irony of this last con is that cost *was* part of
the problem. Actually it looked like I was going to have a court date (no,
nothing bad happened to me) in the first part of April and when I finally
found out (in mid-march) that it was indefinitely postponed, it was too late
for me to get the money together.
Although the nice thing I recently found out is that Tucson does really pay
shit wages and that if I moved, I will make a minimum of 15K more ...even if
the cost of living doesn't go up that much ;)
> : Hey, James Norman or Zenin- what about setting up a "voting booth"
> : sometime between now and 2000? (it would have to be Y2K compliant). We
> : could present the results to Sal.... and pass it on?? Maybe that's too
> : efficient though for Rocky!! LOL.
>
> Will do.
That's a goddamn fucking intelligent idea. And it's even more intelligent for
me to let Byron do it! ;)
jno...@gci-net.com
There are no plans to make ROTOQ into a movie at this moment, but....
If they get the publicity wheels turning enough and then put out a movie to
coincide with the 15th Anniversary -- would it do a good gross for 1-2 weeks?
Did Godzilla?
All it takes is the shifting of a few studio execs. Maybe by then Richard's
interest in getting it made will have "re-piqued".
In article <356BA551...@the-wall.net>,
Diezel Monkey <mon...@the-wall.net> wrote:
>
> what do you mean??? aren't they going to make ROTOQ into a movie? when's
richard going to do it? how do you spell his
> last name? how do you spell sequel anyway? and for the record, it's double
decker taco supremes or nothing, not like i
> go to taco bell or anything.
>
> -Monkey
>
> Plan9 wrote:
>
> > Oh God, please don't start with this again! A new video I can see
> > happening. A sequel to RHPS, we've been over this before. When pigs
> > fly. :(
>
> --
>
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>
>
jno...@gci-net.com
> I second that idea! Not that 20th Century Fox would care TOO much about
> what input we Rocky fans have to offer on this topic...but if we could get
> Sal involved, perhaps he could then coax Lou Adler--who in turn might sway
> Fox.
Or better yet, if the fan club website was involved.....
My feeling is that LOU and not FOX has ultimate control over where the party
is. I wish Sal would read this thread and weigh in on the issue.
LilithFate
>>ooh, SF sounds good actually... "San Francisco... let's hold Rocky where
Rocky
: isn't!"
Er, huh? What are you talking about? There are SIX casts in the
immediate area with many more not too much farther.<<
I think he's refering to the fact that there are no casts IN San Francisco, not
since the Strand turned to a porn theater, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, there's
tons around SF but none in the city, that was his point. I think doing it in
SF would kick ass because a) it's a fun place to hang and has lots of touristy
stuff, b) it's not in the city of one specific cast so all 6 casts can
cooperate without one feeling superior, c) it's near me d) I had a dream a
while ago about seeing Rocky at the Castro theater, my dreams mean cons must be
in SF.
>>It's also one of the cheaper places to hold a convention. Hotels
aren't too bad, transportation is abundant and fairly cheap, good
cheap food isn't hard to find. <<
Yep. You can get anywhere in the bay area (save San Jose? I don't remember, I
never go there) for a maximum of 4 bucks, about (gotta love BART), the bus
system's great, the hotels aren't too bad, pricing wise....
---
LilithFate
>>Hmn. Well *my* vote goes for San Francisco....it makes it so I'd definately
be
I second that, loudly. But, hey, the year 2000 marks the year I graduate from
high school, the year 1999 marks my 18th birthday....whoohoo! This is going to
kick major ass, where ever it is. But it should be in Northern California, put
on by all the casts up here (Barely Legal, Absolute Pleasure, Under Sedation,
Cosmic Light, Bawdy Cast(e?)...am I forgetting any?)
LilithFate
>> The key thing to remember is that 20th Century Fox does NOT want to dish
out a lot of money on a Rocky Horror convention to cover things like moving
equipment, renting space, salaries for Fox employees to work the convention,
paying for the stars to show up, etc.--unless they could be *assured* of a
LARGE return on their investment.<<
So charge for tickets, have all the casts in the area hustle the audience for
donations and sell stuff before the shows. There's a word to describe a great
way of getting money: Fundraising.
Fnordian
>I second that, loudly. But, hey, the year 2000 marks the year I graduate
>from
>high school, the year 1999 marks my 18th birthday....whoohoo!
Yeah, you too? (graduation, that is, not being 18...I'll be 15 in 1999. Heh.)
Whodini99
><BR>
>Call this a biased opinion, but if you like idea of NYC, but don't think
>cost would be reasonable, you could always try having it right over the
>here in New Jersey. That way if people want to do touristy shit, they
>just hop on the bus, or the PATH depending on where it is. I know this is
>stupid idea and based solely on my own personal convenience, but what the<BR>
>hell, I can at least suggest it. ;)<BR>
><BR>
>-Sonja<BR>
<BR>
Actullay New Jersey wouldn;t be that bad of an idea....it's ver close to the
city, Hotel rates are WAY cheaper then New York, Atlantic City is not any
further then 2 hours away from anywhere in Jersey (that should sawy your vote
Brady), plus alot of people are suggesting San Francisco because there are 6
casts in that area, however, In Jersey there are 5 casts (Mt Ephraim,
Bayville, Edison, Teaneck, and Boonton( as well as NYC and Pearl River in NY,
and 3 PA Casts (Allentown, Philly, and Exton).
<BR><BR>
I live in Central Jersey and I can be at any one of these places in an
hour and half.......so that;s 10 casts in the greater NEw Jersey area
<BR>
Whodini?
<BR>
http://www.angelfire.com/nj/HomeOfHappiness
Larry Viezel
I love New Jersey to death and all but comiing from a guy who has been
involved in the running of 4 conventions I just don't see it as an option
for the 25th. Really the only things I see as viable are London, New York
and LA.
London - the obvious is that the fan base is really in the US.
New York - As stated many stars local. Bad side is that is it expensive.
Los Angeles - Cheap for Fox to do as they probably own a good cut of the
town anyway.
Now from an organizers point of view. New York put on the 10th anniversary
and lost money. LA had the 15th and the 20th. Ticket sales alone they lost
money on the 15th. Overall sales they lost money on the 20th. Thet lost
less money on the 10th than they did on the 20th. Now people can start
talking 10 years difference n the value of the dollar and the fact that
there were more people involved in RHPS n the 80s than the 90s. But from
the location pont of view, you are apt to get more people coming by from
walkins in NYC than in LA. Do you know what the advertising budget was for
the most recent NYC con? Less than $100. We were afraid that if we
advertised at all we would overpack the place (as it is we did that from
word of mouth only) If we did had a larger venue the minimal advertising
of sidewalk posters (the cake posters in 1985 were all over the streets
and subways back then) would have packed it. Thats just the kind of town
new York is. For the same amount of advertising they did for the 20th, if
they did it in NYC there would have been twice the crowd.
NJ is fine for a Rocky Convention (wait... wasn't there already an NJ
con???) and Atlantic city is a great location. And maybe after all of
this convention fever dies down in every cast in the US maybe we can
organize it. But not for the 25th. That need to be someplace more closely
related to RHPS culture.
Larry.
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PriscellaQ
Why not have it in Hawaii, for the hell of it. EVERYONE would have to travel,
but at least we'd be warm in our underwear!!!!! =)
Jaimie
Ele...@my-dejanews.com
> Actullay New Jersey wouldn;t be that bad of an idea....it's ver close to the
> city, Hotel rates are WAY cheaper then New York, Atlantic City is not any
> further then 2 hours away from anywhere in Jersey (that should sawy your vote
> Brady), plus alot of people are suggesting San Francisco because there are at any one of these places in an
>.so that;s 10 casts in the greater NEw Jersey area
Okay, I'll keep going with my point then. Newark is also a relatively cheap
place to fly to, and for those drivers out there, NJ has some of the lowest
gasoline prices in the country.
-Sonja
Zenin
[posted & mailed]
Larry Viezel <lar...@cybernex.net> wrote:
: I love New Jersey to death and all but comiing from a guy who has been
: involved in the running of 4 conventions I just don't see it as an option
: for the 25th. Really the only things I see as viable are London, New York
: and LA.
So you don't feel the SF Bay Area as an option? Personally (and
aside from my own location bias) I see as one of the best options
available, at least if Fox wasn't doing the production.
I'd like to hear your reasons why it wouldn't be a viable option.
RiFF4711
>Why not have it in Hawaii, for the hell of it. EVERYONE would have to travel,
>but at least we'd be warm in our underwear!!!!! =)
>
>Jaimie
Two words... Fishnet Sunburn.
But, I cannot argue, if I'm gonna save my money to go to a Rocky Con, Hawaii is
as good a place as any..
Mark B. --- The Roaming RiFF RaFF
-The preceeding announcement has been paid for by the [nWo] New World Order-
"Respect My Authoritaaaaiii" - Eric Cartman
Superkev 7
>Why not have it in Hawaii, for the hell of it.
And then when you get there they can say.....
ALOAHA! SCHMUCKGIRL!
Hawaii?
The Fixxer
SuperKev
I thought Barry lived in LA?
mark
The Fixxer
>SF would kick ass because
a) it's a fun place to hang and has lots of
b) it's not in the city of one specific cast so all 6 casts can
cooperate without one feeling superior
............umm this is not a real consideration because the casts will not be
hosting a con by Fox...and so there is really nothing co cooperate about in
regards to proximity...the local casts will attend just like the others.
Mark
Midnight insanity
The Fixxer
Larry Viezel <lar...@cybernex.net wrote>
New York - As stated many stars local. Bad side is that is it expensive.
Los Angeles - Cheap for Fox to do as they probably own a good cut of the town
anyway.
Now from an organizers point of view. New York put on the 10th anniversary and
lost money. LA had the 15th and the 20th. Ticket sales alone they lost money on
the 15th. Overall sales they lost money on the 20th. Thet lost less money on
the 10th than they did on the 20th. Now people can start talking 10 years
difference n the value of the dollar and the fact that there were more people
involved in RHPS n the 80s than the 90s. But from
the location pont of view, you are apt to get more people coming by from
walkins in NYC than in LA. Do you know what the advertising budget was for
the most recent NYC con? Less than $100.
.....you had about I think 300 people at the Con there but Fox would be trying
to fill a 2000 seat house like they did at the Pantages, where they only had
1200 with all their advertising.
Sal pointed out to me recently that to get a hall like that in NY would be so
expensive it would be impossible.
We were afraid that if we advertised at all we would overpack the place (as it
is we did that from word of mouth only)
....The place was packed but there were still and undetermined amount of unsold
tickets remaining
Mark
Midnight Insanity
The Fixxer
In article <199805290347...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
lilit...@aol.com (LilithFate) writes:
>Subject: Re: Where will the 25th be?
>From: lilit...@aol.com (LilithFate)
>Date: 29 May 1998 03:47:30 GMT
>
>>>Hmn. Well *my* vote goes for San Francisco....it makes it so I'd
>definately
>be
>able to go. I'm selfish. Plus, this way I don't have to get a hotel room.
><<
>
>I second that, loudly. But, hey, the year 2000 marks the year I graduate
>from
>high school, the year 1999 marks my 18th birthday....whoohoo! This is going
>to
>kick major ass, where ever it is. But it should be in Northern California,
>put
>on by all the casts up here (Barely Legal, Absolute Pleasure, Under Sedation,
>Cosmic Light, Bawdy Cast(e?)...am I forgetting any?)
...........ummm....the 25th con will not be put on by casts....it will be put
on by fox and the casts everywhere will attend no matter where they are from
Mark
The Fixxer
>
>Call this a biased opinion, but if you like idea of NYC, but don't think the
>cost would be reasonable, you could always try having it right over the
>river,
>here in New Jersey. That way if people want to do touristy shit, they can
>just hop on the bus, or the PATH depending on where it is. I know this is a
>stupid idea and based solely on my own personal convenience, but what the
>hell, I can at least suggest it. ;)
......at the 20th Fox choose a hotel that was not the best price it could find
and the hotel was not the nicest for the money. Right across the street people
were paying less for larger rooms. So I also do not thing Fox would be price
conscious for the 25th making New York even more price trecherous for most
Mark
Midnight Insanity
Zenin
The Fixxer <thef...@aol.com> wrote:
>BIG, BIG SNIP!<
: ...........ummm....the 25th con will not be put on by casts....it will be put
: on by fox and the casts everywhere will attend no matter where they are from
This is assuming (DANGER!!!) that Fox produces a 25th con.
What would be the point? The 15th could be justified as promotion
of the video release; The con itself lost money if the video sales
aren't tallied in. The 20th just *barely* happened, LOST MONEY
from my understanding, and could only be justified with the release
of the new laser disk.
Why would they produce the 25th? Look at the bottom line. Were is
the money? Another video? The first one never made expected sales.
DVD maybe? The LD didn't go over that great either, who's to say
a DVD would be any better, and they've put all the extra footage we
knew to exist on the LD anyway. What's the kicker for the 25th?
Show me the money baby, show me the money... It's just not there,
and as such I personally don't think Fox will do anything for the
25th.
Brady Ferguson
> the money? Another video? The first one never made expected sales.
> DVD maybe? The LD didn't go over that great either, who's to say
> a DVD would be any better, and they've put all the extra footage we
> knew to exist on the LD anyway. What's the kicker for the 25th?
> Show me the money baby, show me the money... It's just not there,
> and as such I personally don't think Fox will do anything for the
> 25th.
> --
> -Zenin
I can see where Zenin is coming from here. I always try to take the
business perspective when looking at these types of things... And yes,
he's right... if there's no money to be made, why do it?
Laserdisc release- I thought the success of the release was poor because
they didn't mainstream the release. I had to mail-order my copy, and
I've only met two people that found them in a store, at the bottom of
the barrel. If it ain't in the stores, people AINT gunna guy it.
Laserdisc isn't mainstream technology anyway.
DVD? Well, I'd love to see it released on DVD. Will they use the 25th
to do it? My instinct says no.
I think we have two things we need answers to. Plain and simple.
First, WILL THERE BE A 25'th? Second, where?. I think instead of
arguing about it.... let's see what Sal has to say, what Sal would
support, and offer our input and ideas for locations to Fox, if they
want to move forward.
Thoughts?
--
"More Drunk" Brady Ferguson
Asst Director/Webmaster/Crim/Brad
Barely Legal-Berkeley CA
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Zenin:
You could be right...I could easily believe that Fox will not do a 25th. I do
not know what the point would be.
We may have to do it ourselves (the fan club in general I mean)
Mark