Underage Problem
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Nikodemus wrote:
> Oh boy, we have a sightly bothersome problem. This past weekend we were
> informed that minors could no longer attend our shows without parental
> consent. Interchangable Parts II has been at our current theatre for
> six months now but this past week a police officer had notified the
> managment that minors were unable to purchase tickets without their
> parents permission. A medium story shortened, anyone else have this
> problem besides Pinellas?
>
We have that problem about once a year. It blows over in, at most, a
month.
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Nikodemus
Oh boy, we have a sightly bothersome problem. This past weekend we were
informed that minors could no longer attend our shows without parental
consent. Interchangable Parts II has been at our current theatre for
six months now but this past week a police officer had notified the
managment that minors were unable to purchase tickets without their
parents permission. A medium story shortened, anyone else have this
problem besides Pinellas?
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/ip2/index.html
Jamie Niles-the world's greatest bad stage manager
Larry Viezel
From the MPAA web site: (http://www.mpaa.org/ratings.html)
Motion picture theater owners, who co-founded the rating
system in 1968, were the first group in the entertainment
industry to voluntarily enforce its guidelines. NATO estimates
that about 85% of the theater owners in the nation subscribe
to the rating system, and will not admit a child under 17 to
an R rated motion picture without an accompanying parent or
adult guardian, or admit a child 17 and under to an NC-17
rated motion picture under any circumstance.
Translated into your situaton, if your theatre choses to be part of the
15% of theatres that do not enforce ratings on certain movies, than its
their perogative. There is no law that explicitly says minors cannot be
sold tickets to R-Raters movies. They MPAA Rating system is a voluntarily
enforced guidline there for parent's sake, to help the parents decide
whether they should let their kids see the movie without having to see the
movie itself. It is a suggestion to parents. No theatre is forced to
follow these gudelines, but as a rule 85% of them have a policy to do so -
mind you, there is no legal restriction for selling a ticket to a minor.
So tell the cop to have a minor buy a ticket. Its akin to the TV ratings
Can your cable company be busted for broadcasting a show rated M14 when
they know there are 8 year olds in the audience?
Larry.
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Glitter
We're having the same problem come up. Our Magenta and Dr. Scott were told
last week that they would have to bring IDs to be allowed in the following
week.
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Jen
On Thu, 14 May 1998, Larry Viezel wrote:
> their perogative. There is no law that explicitly says minors cannot be
> sold tickets to R-Raters movies. They MPAA Rating system is a voluntarily
Dear Larry and Jamie
Actually in the state of Florida there is a law...if I remember right ( I
was a box office cashier for about two years) supoosedly it is punishable
by a fine against the theater.
IP2 is in the state of FL. Apparently a pissed of parent turned in your
theater. Unfortunately, it is your theater managers' job to make sure the
law is followed.
Love and peace to you,
Jen "ex-Denton High cast member,ex-AMC employee" Nagel
> On Thu, 14 May 1998, Nikodemus wrote:
>
Fnordian
They have this policy in Berkeley, too because there have been problems with
parents/runnaways and such....it really sucks for me, too...I always have to
find nice adults to buy my a ticket. It's usually not too hard, but it gets
annoying.
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We have underage get their parents to sign a release.
It usually comes back signed
"My Mom"
Mark
Midnight Insanity
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hello it's rated R, get over it, rocky isn't an exception
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Shella
I must live in a fantasy world.
Our theater allows anyone to play or see the show, regardless of age.
One time, the cops came out to investigate alleged child
pornography(the bedroom scenes), while we were passing three scantily
clad underage girls around the dinner table, and we were told that we
could do whatever we want to with the minors behind closed doors.
Glitter
A fantasy world you say? Shella, I've seen your show. Not exactly what wet
dreams are made of. Now while I will admit that there are maybe five or so
decent actors in your cast, After Midnight is mostly made up of filthy
smelly underage people. Who wants to see all of you half naked? The only
reason that you're not at our theatre is not because we have stricter rules
(and a better show), it's because you were banned for refusing to bathe.
And the worst part of it is that you're all being taken advantage of by a
certain cast director (who gets all of you undressed with promises of a
better show) and a certain web page designer in the cast (who gets all of
you undressed with promises of becoming models). Dr. X's Feature Creatures
across town are selling more tickets than you - and their show is $6.75
compared to your $4.00. In addition to that, haven't you noticed that
slowly but surely your cast (and audience) is migrating back to our theatre?
You *are* lucky to have one of the best theatre managers that I've ever met,
but they deserve a better cast.
This is not a personal attack. This is to let everyone reading know that
more skin does not make a better show ~ more talent, dedication, and
creativity does.
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Glitter
Cast Queen
LilithFate
>>Interchangable Parts II has been at our current theatre for
six months now but this past week a police officer had notified the
managment that minors were unable to purchase tickets without their
parents permission.<<
Easy, do what the UC does. Have the minors get a non-minor to buy tickets,
then don't card upon entering the theater. (On a side note, to all them minors,
this works great for alcohol and cigarettes, too)
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>>hello it's rated R, get over it, rocky isn't an exception<<
However, that R rating comes from almost 25 years ago, many movies, on
re-release, are re-rated. Rocky's content hasn't aged, society has. Too, I'm
16, for the past 4 years I have had no trouble getting into R rated movies. And
when I thought I might, I'd bring extra money and buy an adult ticket too,
saying that my mom was parking the car and sent me to get tickets. Never
created a problem.
Cameron Stern
What has become of this string is a total joke! People go to Rocky to
have fun... not to compete and flame other performers and casts. So I
guess what I am trying to say is "if you don't have anything nice to
say, don't say it at all". Well... that's done... can I get other
peoples oppinion on this, or just someone saying that they want me to
reword this, because I think that I may have gone off on a tangent.
Thank you.
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>Shella, I've seen your show. Not exactly what wet<BR>
>dreams are made of
>After Midnight is mostly made up of filthy<BR>
>smelly underage people.
>it's because you were banned for refusing to bathe.
>cast director (who gets all of you undressed with promises of a<BR>
>better show)
>but they deserve a better cast.
>more skin does not make a better show ~ more talent, dedication, and<BR>
>creativity does
God I thought I stumbled upon an old 1996 newsgroup attack! This is not
personal, sure sounds personal. Sounds like (and I've never been to Houston to
see either cast) a really jeolous rival cast to me.
Geno "Biscuitboy" Engles
http://members.aol.com/geno3rd/index.html
Danny Schneberger
Half of the people here start flaming each other. Can't you just stop
that ???
I don't give a shit about your personal problems (at least in this
ng)... discuss them wherever you want but here's the wrong place... IMHO
I thought this is a place in the web where people have a forum to talk
about Rocky and I thought that all of us were in that nice big Rocky
family..
Well maybe I'm just to naive.
Some folks start a discussion of wether one guy fucked half of the cast
(how very interessting...) or they yell at another saying stuff like
:"nananana, we are better than you are..." That's all a bit kiddish, is
it ???
Sorry....Don't wanna sound like a preacherman...but ....
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Danny Schneberger wrote in message <6jodrc$ma5$1...@news02.btx.dtag.de>...
>Half of the people here start flaming each other. Can't you just stop
>that ???
>I don't give a shit about your personal problems (at least in this
>ng)... discuss them wherever you want but here's the wrong place... IMHO
>
>I thought this is a place in the web where people have a forum to talk
>about Rocky and I thought that all of us were in that nice big Rocky
>family..
So did I till recently. Very sad. Reminds of how life was in rocky back up
in Spokane WA. Which reminds me, does anyone know if that cast is still
around? I cant even remember the name of it, its been so long!!
Rachael
Magenta
Under sedation voyeristic intention
Sacramento
Proud Mama and wife by day
Larry Viezel
On Mon, 18 May 1998, Rachael wrote:
> >I thought this is a place in the web where people have a forum to talk
> >about Rocky and I thought that all of us were in that nice big Rocky
> >family..
>
> So did I till recently. Very sad. Reminds of how life was in rocky back up
> in Spokane WA.
Now, just to play devil's advocate here, if everyone seems to empathize
with the situation ("Wow, sounds like my cast") dare I say that perhaps,
sinces this sort of ill will does exist in the RHPS community everywhere,
that this sort of thing is an on topic discussion?
Realisticly though, I think a more on topic discussion related to all this
malevolence is how do we stop this sort of thing.
Larry.
NiceGuyAJ
i think all those from NJ who have a problem with Rob, or Rob having a problem
with them...should find a quiet little newsgroup and go away....i am sure
alt.tv.punky-brewster or alt.tv.silver-spoons or alt.tv.webster should be
vacant....
in other words...no offense, but PLAY IN TRAFFIC and all of us who are no
involved alone!
Adam from Philly
AJ-"Wait for Momma to turn out the light, Crawl on the roof and then I hit the
night
I should be sleeping but tonight I just can't stay, I've given everybody so
much time
Now I need a moment that's mine.....Oh my other world is just a half a mile
away"
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Thank you, I wish you were in Florida, are we the only cast that requires all cast members to 18 and produce a photo copy of their id.
Oh, by the way sweetie that sent me the e-mail with an attitude like that I hope one of those minors parents sues you and your cast. And they can sue you, every governing member of your cast the theatre, general manager and manager on duty. Maybe you should consider the liability you place them under before you show you lack of maturity.
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let me guess, your 15 or 16
Dave Ross
Innovative Marketing Engineers wrote:
>
> Thank you, I wish you were in Florida, are we the only cast that requires all
> cast members to 18 and produce a photo copy of their id.
Cast? Heck, I had to show ID just to get in the door when I visited Berkely
this spring.
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Jen <jna...@luna.cas.usf.edu> wrote:
: Actually in the state of Florida there is a law...if I remember right ( I
: was a box office cashier for about two years) supoosedly it is punishable
: by a fine against the theater.
:
: IP2 is in the state of FL. Apparently a pissed of parent turned in your
: theater. Unfortunately, it is your theater managers' job to make sure the
: law is followed.
Hmm, I'd love to see the code number for that law. It would *never*
stand up in court. The ratings are given by a private industry
panel. There is absolutely no government involved with the
appointment process, and thus these positions are neither directly
controlled directly by the people by election, or by any level
of indirection by appointment from an elected government official.
Personal values also vary much regin to regin, which the court takes
into account when deciding cases of obscenity, legal age to have
sex/drink/drive, etc. The ratings are given by a panel of people
3000 miles away from Florida, with entirely different values and
beliefs.
Simply put, the people have absolutely no control over movie rating
process, thus to enforce it as a matter of law would violate the
Constitution at it's vary roots.
I'd guess what you heard was rumor at best, and an *extremely* weak
and ill founded law at worst.
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Shella
"Glitter" <<Glitter>sa...@flash.net> wrote:
>A fantasy world you say? Shella, I've seen your show. Not exactly what wet
>dreams are made of.
Then why did you come back and volunteer to play?
> Now while I will admit that there are maybe five or so
>decent actors in your cast,
You obviosly haven't been there to see the people from Bellaire,
Alameda and Windsor come play in our show, because they haven't seen
Rocky done like this in years.
>After Midnight is mostly made up of filthy
>smelly underage people. Who wants to see all of you half naked? The only
>reason that you're not at our theatre is not because we have stricter rules
>(and a better show)
That's right, you guys want a "tasteful wry portrayal of a classic
cult flick", no thanks, I'd rather have a good time
>, it's because you were banned for refusing to bathe.
>And the worst part of it is that you're all being taken advantage of by a
>certain cast director (who gets all of you undressed with promises of a
>better show) and a certain web page designer in the cast (who gets all of
>you undressed with promises of becoming models).
We have no web page designer in our cast, except maybe katherine for a
while
> Dr. X's Feature Creatures
>across town are selling more tickets than you -
Only because Rocky's been there longer and people don't know about us
yet.
> and their show is $6.75
>compared to your $4.00. In addition to that, haven't you noticed that
>slowly but surely your cast (and audience) is migrating back to our theatre?
>You *are* lucky to have one of the best theatre managers that I've ever met,
>but they deserve a better cast.
>
>This is not a personal attack.
Sounds like one to me. Any body else?
>This is to let everyone reading know that
>more skin does not make a better show ~ more talent, dedication, and
Plan9
On Mon, 18 May 1998 16:14:19 GMT, Larry Viezel <lar...@cybernex.net>
wrote:
>Now, just to play devil's advocate here, if everyone seems to empathize
>with the situation ("Wow, sounds like my cast") dare I say that perhaps,
>sinces this sort of ill will does exist in the RHPS community everywhere,
>that this sort of thing is an on topic discussion?
>
>Realisticly though, I think a more on topic discussion related to all this
>malevolence is how do we stop this sort of thing.
I think we should just stop continuing threads that are personal
attacks on you or other people. If you want to reply to a post that
was nasty and mean, but not really on the topic of this ng, which is,
may I remind all of you ROCKY, do it thru e-mail.
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In Austin, we have anyone under 17 who wants to join the cast take home a
permission slip. The slip lets parents know that Rocky is rated R, and, more
importantly, that midnight is after city curfew. The cast director keeps them.
If the police want to bust up a showing of Rocky Horror, the cast director
shows permission slips for the minor cast members. Any audience members are on
their own.
We haven't really had any problems with this at our new theater, though. We
made friends with the police officers that patrol the shopping center our
theater is in, and they all seem to like us. We try really hard to be good and
not cause any disturbances or break any laws.
Our theater doesn't really seem to care about the R rating. The thing we're
worried about is the strict Austin area curfews (our show being at midnight).
At our theater, you actually CAN be ARRESTED AND FINED for being at Rocky if
you are a minor (under 17).
Are there any other theaters like ours who don't have to worry about MPAA as
much as they do about curfew?
~Lisa
Queerios!
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Fnordian
First off, you need to *quote* who you're responding to! No one knows who
you're talking to if you don't. This shouldn't be *that* difficult, it's basic
netiquette. Secondly, if I'm assuming correctly, you're responding to the
fellow who mentioned having to show ID to get into the Berkeley cast.....if he
was 15 or 16 he wouldn't have gotten into the show, and you appear to be
condecending, which really doesn't make sense, considering he was just
compairing one situation to another that he had experience. No need to take
defence. Lastly, the MIME stuff is really bloody annoying to those of us who
have don't have magical wonderful beautiful ISP's.
...that's it.
Rachael
>>
>> So did I till recently. Very sad. Reminds of how life was in rocky back
up
>> in Spokane WA.
>
>with the situation ("Wow, sounds like my cast") dare I say that perhaps,
>sinces this sort of ill will does exist in the RHPS community everywhere,
>that this sort of thing is an on topic discussion?
>
>Realisticly though, I think a more on topic discussion related to all this
>malevolence is how do we stop this sort of thing.
>
>
Except I didnt say it sounded like my cast, I said it sounded like one I
used to be part of. I left said cast for this reason.
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I believe that Orlando has a curfew now, too many runaways. Not that it matters they still get in the show, AMC does a random site check. It's difficult to tell since most people wear more makeup than usual at rhps. But that may change, they just got a new manager, there old manager is now at Daytona, horray, he is young and very helpful. But he still expects a lot out of us, we will clean the theatre ourselves and be expected the conduct ourselves in a fashion expected from a national chain. Something we gladly will adhere to.
Innovative Marketing Engineers
No actually I was refering to the person couching the underage member of this group how to get cigs and drink underage, and I thought that placing replys at the beginning of a post a protecting other peoples bandwidth was netiquete also, the few hundred messages a day I download cloggs my system but I'm sure you have a pentuim500 with 128megs and a T1 so you don't worry about that huh.
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Fnordian <fnor...@aol.com> wrote in article <199805182344...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> >let me guess, your 15 or 16
> >--
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>
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so you are saying that you actually believe that our lawmakers care if it
is constitutional and that we have to have say so in the vote for a bill.
Talk to a lobbiest sometime and break that naivity.
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grendel
Zenin wrote in message <89552677...@thrush.omix.com>...
>Jen <jna...@luna.cas.usf.edu> wrote:
>: Actually in the state of Florida there is a law...if I remember right ( I
>: was a box office cashier for about two years) supoosedly it is punishable
>: by a fine against the theater.
>:
>: IP2 is in the state of FL. Apparently a pissed of parent turned in your
>: theater. Unfortunately, it is your theater managers' job to make sure
the
>: law is followed.
>
> Hmm, I'd love to see the code number for that law. It would *never*
> stand up in court. The ratings are given by a private industry
> panel. There is absolutely no government involved with the
> appointment process, and thus these positions are neither directly
> controlled directly by the people by election, or by any level
> of indirection by appointment from an elected government official.
>
> Personal values also vary much regin to regin, which the court takes
> into account when deciding cases of obscenity, legal age to have
> sex/drink/drive, etc. The ratings are given by a panel of people
> 3000 miles away from Florida, with entirely different values and
> beliefs.
>
> Simply put, the people have absolutely no control over movie rating
> process, thus to enforce it as a matter of law would violate the
> Constitution at it's vary roots.
>
> I'd guess what you heard was rumor at best, and an *extremely* weak
> and ill founded law at worst.
this is florida though...they jail record shop owners for selling explicit
records....and they get away with it.....the constitution be damned.
and community standards, which you have called "personal values" are,
unfortunately very hard to defend against without money and legal clout. i
doubt the theater is willing to pursue this to the supreme court. so
ipII......yer poofin'!!!!!!!!
grendel
Innovative Marketing Engineers wrote in message <01bd8265$b7b8eee0$6a9048ce@default>...
Thank you, I wish you were in Florida, are we the only cast that requires all cast members to 18 and produce a photo copy of their id.
Oh, by the way sweetie that sent me the e-mail with an attitude like that I hope one of those minors parents sues you and your cast. And they can sue you, every governing member of your cast the theatre, general manager and manager on duty. Maybe you should consider the liability you place them under before you show you lack of maturity
Grendel replies: if there is really a local ordinance, as the five-o has suggested, preventing minors from seeing rocky or other r movies, how would one sue a cast or theater for upholding local law?
also, most towns do have a curfew. can you be sued for not wanting to be an accessory to a curfew violation?
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no for the theatre allowing the underage person in and them getting hurt.
In journalism, we learned about the chain of command a disgrundled parent
can follow to get revenge for their children, which in the case of Rocky
could go upwards and beyond District Managers and theatre board of
directors.
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Jason
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I believe that Orlando has a curfew now, too many runaways. Not that it matters they still get in the show, AMC does a random site check. It's difficult to tell since most people wear more makeup than usual at rhps. But that may change, they just got a new manager, there old manager is now at Daytona, horray, he is young and very helpful. But he still expects a lot out of us, we will clean the theatre ourselves and be expected the conduct ourselves in a fashion expected from a national chain. Something we gladly will adhere to.
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we will gladly make their lives easier to keep the theatre and hopefully
get them to pay half of the party bus fee for our grand opening.
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sadly, we are not allowed to clean our theater (some union thing) but they
rarely do it them selves. We are getting even though it would seem. Lots of
people have been bringing props. Nothign like walking out after the show
and seeing the sea of TP and rice, and knowing you DONT have to clean it!!!
Rachael
now at Daytona, horray, he is young and very helpful. But he still
expects a lot out of us, we will clean the theatre ourselves and be
expected the conduct ourselves in a fashion expected from a national chain.
Something we gladly will adhere to.
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> I really don't see how a curfew has any effect on the situation. In my
> area of California all local curfews do not apply if you are in an
> establishment, or in a vehicle with a destination. It's perfectly legal
> to see rocky, as long as you don't walk home. The law is intended to
> keep under aged kids off the street, and out of trouble. Not to restrict
> what times they can participate in an event, that's for there parents to
> do.
> Jason
>
> Innovative Marketing Engineers wrote:
>
> > I believe that Orlando has a curfew now, too many runaways. Not that
> > it matters they still get in the show, AMC does a random site check.
> > It's difficult to tell since most people wear more makeup than usual
> > at rhps. But that may change, they just got a new manager, there old
> > manager is now at Daytona, horray, he is young and very helpful. But
> > he still expects a lot out of us, we will clean the theatre ourselves
> > and be expected the conduct ourselves in a fashion expected from a
> > national chain. Something we gladly will adhere to.
Dave Ross
RHPSJester wrote:
>
> I really don't see how a curfew has any effect on the situation. In my area of
> California all local curfews do not apply if you are in an establishment, or
> in a vehicle with a destination. It's perfectly legal to see rocky, as long as
> you don't walk home. The law is intended to keep under aged kids off the
> street, and out of trouble. Not to restrict what times they can participate in
> an event, that's for there parents to do.
> Jason
When I was associating with a certain cast (which shall remain nameless as I do
not want to hurt their attendance), the cops pulled the paddy wagon up to the
theatre door and stopped anyone who looked to be under 18 for an ID check. If
they were underage they went straight to the station. The theatre manager did
nothing to stop this (popular rumor was that he was, in fact, encouraging it).
In Illinois, curfew is enforced, albeit selectively. When I was a minor, I got
pulled over a few times after hours. I just told them I was on my way home from
somewhere and they'd just let me go with a warning to get enough sleep for
school the next day. I guess as long as I wasn't drinking and driving they
didn't care what I did.
Fnordian
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>Date: Tue, May 19, 1998 12:28 EDT
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>No actually I was refering to the person couching the underage member of
>this group how to get cigs and drink underage, and I thought that placing
>replys at the beginning of a post a protecting other peoples bandwidth was
>netiquete also, the few hundred messages a day I download cloggs my system
>but I'm sure you have a pentuim500 with 128megs and a T1 so you don't worry
>about that huh.
>Innovative Marketing Engineers
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>> >let me guess, your 15 or 16
>> >Innovative Marketing Engineers
>> >PO Box 3187, DeLand, Fl 32723
>> >904-734-9886fax tan...@totcon.com
>> >http://www.listbot.com/subscribe/IMAGEBIZ E-zine
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>>
>who
>> you're talking to if you don't. This shouldn't be *that* difficult, it's
>basic
>> netiquette. Secondly, if I'm assuming correctly, you're responding to
>the
>> fellow who mentioned having to show ID to get into the Berkeley
>cast.....if he
>> was 15 or 16 he wouldn't have gotten into the show, and you appear to be
>> condecending, which really doesn't make sense, considering he was just
>> compairing one situation to another that he had experience. No need to
>take
>> defence. Lastly, the MIME stuff is really bloody annoying to those of us
>who
>> have don't have magical wonderful beautiful ISP's.
>> ...that's it.
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>> was 15 or 16 he wouldn't have gotten =
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>take
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Okay, this is what I see when I look at your messages, so you souldn't be
trying to save space....secondly, Sera wasn't coaching anyone about how to get
cigarettes and alcohol was a minor (and yes, as a matter of fact she *is*
16...) she was merely stating that it *works*....not that people should go out
and do it. As far as the type of computer I have goes, what's wrong with
having a nice computer? Bitter, much?
Zenin
RHPSJester <rhps...@ccnet.com> wrote:
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Don't ever post plain text messages in "MIME" format. Thanks.
: I really don't see how a curfew has any effect on the situation. In my
: area of California all local curfews do not apply if you are in an
: establishment, or in a vehicle with a destination. It's perfectly legal
: to see rocky, as long as you don't walk home.
Hmm, my understanding was that they can even be walking home, they
just need a designation. Am I misinformed here?
Innovative Marketing Engineers
since you have required me to scroll through 147 lines of text that i have
already read yes, and since when is giving minors new ways to break the law
not contributing.
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Fnordian <fnor...@aol.com> wrote in article
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Rachael
Zenin wrote in message <89572404...@thrush.omix.com>...
>RHPSJester <rhps...@ccnet.com> wrote:
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> Don't ever post plain text messages in "MIME" format. Thanks.
>
GET A LIFE PLEASE!!!!
Zenin
Rachael <rach...@nospam.aol.com> wrote:
: Zenin wrote in message <89572404...@thrush.omix.com>...
: > Don't ever post plain text messages in "MIME" format. Thanks.
:
: GET A LIFE PLEASE!!!!
Whatever...
I was even nicer this time, and said Thanks. What's your problem
anyway. Can you not sallow the Internet unless it's got a Gurbbor
label across the front of it's small, glass jar.
(Welcome to Zenin 10 minutes after he's woken up)
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wOw! this turns my whole life around! i thought i'd never be able to get booze
until i was 21! damn, i'm glad someone told me this! geez, is my face red! well,
i'm off to the liquor store now to shoulder-tap! i'm glad you suggested that to
me! maybe i'll drop out too and start raping old ladies and beating up
businessmen!
-Monkey
Fnordian wrote:
> >since you have required me to scroll through 147 lines of text that i have
> >already read yes, and since when is giving minors new ways to break the law
> >not contributing.
>
> I really don't think there is *anyone* who is a teenager who doesn't know that
> you can get cigarettes and alcohol by getting adults to buy them for you
> (ESPECIALLY in this newsgroup...we aren't *stupid*.) This seems more to me as
> a remark on society than a suggestion of how to break the law. Any teenager
> who wants cigs or liquor will find a way to get them...they don't need to be
> told how.
>
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Fnordian
>since you have required me to scroll through 147 lines of text that i have
>already read yes, and since when is giving minors new ways to break the law
>not contributing.
I really don't think there is *anyone* who is a teenager who doesn't know that
you can get cigarettes and alcohol by getting adults to buy them for you
(ESPECIALLY in this newsgroup...we aren't *stupid*.) This seems more to me as
a remark on society than a suggestion of how to break the law. Any teenager
who wants cigs or liquor will find a way to get them...they don't need to be
told how.
--------------------------------
Fnordian
>: GET A LIFE PLEASE!!!!
>
> Whatever...
>
> I was even nicer this time, and said Thanks. What's your problem
> anyway. Can you not sallow the Internet unless it's got a Gurbbor
> label across the front of it's small, glass jar.
>
> (Welcome to Zenin 10 minutes after he's woken up)
Oh Emperor fucking Norton, will this never end?? People, stop being stubborn
and having attitudes, just DON'T post in MIME format, if you don't *know* if
you're posting in MIME, find a way to check!
Innovative Marketing Engineers
yes and it is attitudes like this that make it difficult for people to land
a decent house for the show because they are afraid to let us in, more and
more reading this ng i understand why only one out of the 20+ theatres we
went to in orlando to house rocky last year said h*** no, because people
like the ones in this string give rocky a bad name. Some of us want to
secure it as a safe place to release youth stress that it was in our own
youth, however it can not do that if it is run by less that worthy
rolemodels that continually get kicked out of theatres because they
themselves have not grown up.
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Fnordian <fnor...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> >since you have required me to scroll through 147 lines of text that i
have
> >already read yes, and since when is giving minors new ways to break the
law
> >not contributing.
>
> I really don't think there is *anyone* who is a teenager who doesn't know
that
> you can get cigarettes and alcohol by getting adults to buy them for you
> (ESPECIALLY in this newsgroup...we aren't *stupid*.) This seems more to
me as
> a remark on society than a suggestion of how to break the law. Any
teenager
> who wants cigs or liquor will find a way to get them...they don't need to
be
> told how.
>
Fnordian
>yes and it is attitudes like this that make it difficult for people to land
>a decent house for the show because they are afraid to let us in, more and
>more reading this ng i understand why only one out of the 20+ theatres we
>went to in orlando to house rocky last year said h*** no, because people
>like the ones in this string give rocky a bad name. Some of us want to
>secure it as a safe place to release youth stress that it was in our own
>youth, however it can not do that if it is run by less that worthy
>rolemodels that continually get kicked out of theatres because they
>themselves have not grown up.
You don't seem to get my point. People on the newsgroup know this because they
aren't living in a fucking cave. The reason people are apprihensive about
Rocky people is because rocky people aren't normal...we're fringe folks, and
that makes people nervous. I'm underage myself, and I don't smoke or drink or
do drugs...as opposed to my non-rocky counterparts who are partying all weekend
and come to school on whoknowswhat, so don't say that I or almost anyone else
gives rocky people a bad name, especially since we're not trying to represent
the entire culture. Sometimes (usually) people get kicked out of theatres
because of the theatres themselves or curfews or lack of business...there are
lots of reasons and it's usually not the cast's fault. Plus, who wants to grow
up? How boring.
LilithFate
>>You don't seem to get my point. People on the newsgroup know this because
they
aren't living in a fucking cave. The reason people are apprihensive about
Rocky people is because rocky people aren't normal...we're fringe folks, and
that makes people nervous. <<
Agreed. Long before I saw Rocky I knew how to get cigarettes if I wanted them,
I knew the store that sold to minors, I knew the areas to target adults, I knew
that bumbing cigarettes was easy. I knew this long before I started smoking.
Same goes for alcohol.
However.....I don't know about other theaters, but the Berkeley scene does
envolve a lot of alcohol, drugs and cigarettes. I once traded a guy a soda for
pot, I've got friends who only go to the show because it's where they make the
most money selling drugs each week. There is a huge drug culture there. So I
can totally see where the concern comes in.
>>I'm underage myself, and I don't smoke or drink or
do drugs...<<
The last time I smoked pot was months ago, I haven't had a cigarette in a month
tomorrow and I don't drink all that much. I also go to Rocky. The two are
entirely reconcilable. Doing drugs isn't a prerequisit for going to Rocky,
neither is being totally clean and sober (just ask Brady)
>>so don't say that I or almost anyone else
gives rocky people a bad name, especially since we're not trying to represent
the entire culture.<<
I hate this whole "Let's blame the _____ for the 'bad name'" can we say
stereotypes, ignorence and stupidity? Folks, we are all individuals, let's
remember that.
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I started going to Rocky when I was 17, I waited two years because my
friends would not bring me until I was legal, and upon joining cast I went
from being as close to an alcoholic as I ever want to be to drinking only
at parties. I'm no goody two shoes, but I am not longer a child with the
right to party all night either. Rocky most probably saved my life, I
wasn't there for the counter culture or the partying, but because it was
the only place I could scream my head off and take out all my anger and
agression in an acceptable manner. That is why Rocky is an icon, not
because it's a great movie or the actors have become devas, because it is a
safe environment to be something and do something that society frowns upon
in our daily lives, and that is what will ensure its continued success as
our great-grand children ask us for advise on doing their makeup for their
first show.
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