Why are some casts so rude to visitors/other casts?
BertSchnik
Why are some casts so damned rude and unfriendly at times? Heres the scoop:
Two of the NYC cast members live outside New York. They go to see another cast
about 2 hours from where they live. (no names or locations need be
mentioned-its the situation, not the people, that need to be adressed, but this
cast is NOT in NJ-I mention this because thats where most of the non-NYC casts
are in the area, so rest easy Jersey people:) ) Okay, they go to this show
in costume, and the people have never been overly friendly OR overly rude. Just
kind of distant. Well, the casts Trixie called out sick. My cast member just
happened to be there in her Trixie costume. When she heard that the cast was
upset because their \Trixie wasnt going to make it, my cast member vollenteered
her services. She WAS there in a kick-ass Trxie costume, after all. She
offered, and one of the cast members repsponded that they already had another
Trixie to take the others place. No problem, my cast member sat to watch the
show. The Trixie that came out for Sci Fi Double Feature was thecasts Riffraff,
and all he did was strike a few poses, vogue the place and mouth the words to
the song.
The message that my cast members got tht night? That at this place, a
ualified outsider is still not as good as an insider, even when the wrong
costume and a poor performance is going on.
Okay, it gets better: since my 2 cast members go there on occasion, they
asked if they could perform one time, jjust for fun and to be friendly. The
response? They were handed an applicatin form and told to fill it out and if
anyone was ever sick or quit, then they could do the show once.
Mu cast members explained that they didnt want to JOIn that cast as they
live 2 hours away, they just wanted to perform once or twice every three or
four months or so. And they were told "Yes, I understand, fill out the fom and
if anyone is ever sick or quits, THEN you can do the show."
Hmmmm, kinds rude, yes? ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING: A member
of this said cast has performed up here with us in NYC a few times. He is quite
good, a nice guy, and is welcome back at anytime. (we let visiting people
perform withour cast if we have notice and if its possible that week.)
So one of their cast members can come up here and we let him perform on
occasion, but one of our cast members can never perform, even once, unless
someone quits or is ill. Whats up with that? Weve all seen casts like this over
the years and I STILL cant figure the attitude out.
Can anyone explain this to me:
Bill B in NYC
"And another 'Rocky' marrage is on the way to intensive care."
Marni Greene
phlegmy lately), I'm sure there is a good reason....at least to them.
These are just theories, considering I've never been in a cast but have
seen a lot of them, played with a few of them, and seen some of this
behavior.
1. "Oh my god, they are here in costume and therefore want to take over
my part." paranoia - self explanatory.
2. "Oh my god, if we let them play just once then maybe the rest of the
people will think they are the greatest and from now on think I suck"
paranoia - still self explanatory.
3. "We are gods and therefore no one could POSSIBLY be better than us!"
Attitudes - did I mention the self explanatory thing?
4. "If we let this person play one night then we have to let another and
then another and then why even HAVE a set cast." thought -I know I've
said it before about that self....oh, never mind.
5. "We just don't wanna."
Christopher Walker
Martin A. Fairgrieve
Hi Guys,
Some reasonable points from Marnie there. I feel that on this occasion that
there was a definite space i.e. a regular cast member did not turn up and
there was no real replacement. This was more than a little rude and a rather
horrid attitude.
I would have said in their defence had one of my cast been unable to appear
and there was another cast member able to take the role - as a first time
for example, I too would have gone with the junior member to give them the
experience. On the other hand with a bit of notice I would more than happily
accommodate a visiting cast member.
just my $0.02
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Larry Viezel
Happiness - what about guest performers. In many shows its cool to
allow guest performers. In our show I am kinda hesitant. My reason is
blocking. We are not your run of the mill show. We have big set pieces,
and odd all-over-the-theatre blocking (Including our platform box
accessible via ladder from behinnd the screen). There is not a lot of
room up front. If we have guest performers tripping all over the props
and tripping all over the other cast members because they don't know
what to do or where to stand then the show looks poor. Conversely though
every part in Rocky has a counterpart to play off of. That counterpart
can tell people where to stand when. So its not that big of a deal.
But thats my only concern at my show. I'm slightly concerned as well
if the cast actually gets along with these people. I mean if someone
wants to guest perform and someone in my cast HATES this person - to the
point that performing with them would make it completely too
uncomfortable for them to do their role, I don't wanna be the cast
director to subject a hellish night on a cast member just for the sake
of being nice to visitors. While i want my audience and regulars to be
happy, cast members happiness and comfort *do* come first and it is an
outsider to the cast here that we don't have any obligation to let
perform (yes, thats flame bait - feel free to grab it and I'll argue
on both sides of the fence of the personal bullshit post) In this case
though I see no reason not to cast this trixie. Its a standalone part.
It was a pinch situation. And this girl was obviously more ready than
the riff raff they brought up.
In general I am really getting sick of the attitude of a set cast.
"You can try to join cast, But we are full right now. We'll call
you if we need you." Thats just silly. Rocky Horror is about
participating. Rotation allows lots of people to participate and
it prevents cast member burnout. But conversely making it a free
for all leads to an unprofessional show. Its a delicate balance
and therefore needs to be handled delicately.
Incidentally, whenever there are people in costume in the audience
we let them know that they can call me if they want to guest perform
one weekend and that I'll run it by the cast. Personally though I am
not thrilled with allowing people who have never seen the show to
guest perform (sets, props, blocking and dammit it should be fun to
visit and watch another cast and take the night off from being in
the spotlight for once). Like I said though, guest performances are
something we are discussing at the home of happiness right now.
(Thanks for starting this thread - it might give us some good
viewpoints to consider) I'll let you know as we hammer our ideas out.
Larry.
Mark Tomaino
>From: lar...@nominex.com (Larry Viezel)
>Date: Mon, 05 July 1999 03:37 AM EDT
>Message-id: <FEDzu...@news2.new-york.net>
>
>This actually is something we are discussing now at the Home of
>Happiness - what about guest performers. In many shows its cool to
>allow guest performers. In our show I am kinda hesitant. My reason is
>blocking. We are not your run of the mill show. We have big set pieces,
>and odd all-over-the-theatre blocking (Including our platform box
>accessible via ladder from behinnd the screen). There is not a lot of
>room up front. If we have guest performers tripping all over the props
>and tripping all over the other cast members because they don't know
>what to do or where to stand then the show looks poor. Conversely though
>every part in Rocky has a counterpart to play off of. That counterpart
>can tell people where to stand when. So its not that big of a deal.
Crim has no counterpart. Just thought I would mention it. Though he has little
opportunity to trip.
>
>But thats my only concern at my show. I'm slightly concerned as well
>if the cast actually gets along with these people. I mean if someone
>wants to guest perform and someone in my cast HATES this person - to the
>point that performing with them would make it completely too
>uncomfortable for them to do their role, I don't wanna be the cast
>director to subject a hellish night on a cast member just for the sake
>of being nice to visitors. While i want my audience and regulars to be
>happy, cast members happiness and comfort *do* come first and it is an
>outsider to the cast here that we don't have any obligation to let
>perform (yes, thats flame bait - feel free to grab it and I'll argue
>on both sides of the fence of the personal bullshit post) In this case
>though I see no reason not to cast this trixie. Its a standalone part.
>It was a pinch situation. And this girl was obviously more ready than
>the riff raff they brought up.
>
>In general I am really getting sick of the attitude of a set cast.
>"You can try to join cast, But we are full right now. We'll call
>you if we need you." Thats just silly. Rocky Horror is about
>participating. Rotation allows lots of people to participate and
>it prevents cast member burnout. But conversely making it a free
>for all leads to an unprofessional show. Its a delicate balance
>and therefore needs to be handled delicately.
We run into a lot of people who want to join cast just to get in free and get
the free sodas...seriously. They just don't want to buy a ticket. But we have
to sell tickets to have a show. It is rare but if we have someone who wants to
join and we don't see anywhere we can use them....at least temporarily until
we find a set job for them...we hold off on their app. Yes we want them to
participate...but we have 40 on cast now and if someone is not ACTIVELY doing
some job..performing or otherwise..our theater manager inquires or threatens to
charge them admission so we try to run as lean as we can so we do not wind up
with the theater imposing some unreasonable cap.
We will not hire someone...and this has happened a couple of times this
year...if most in cast agree that the applicant is trouble or would cause a lot
of resentment. If it is only one cast member we will ask them to put personal
aside and not be friends but why should we deny our audience a quality show
just because one person has that problem.
INSIDE the theater we put the audience first...OUTSIDE the theater we put the
castmember first.
Funny story...
We went to a show out in the boonies...a few years ago...in costume..friday
nite about twelve of us. We WERE going to see if an ex cast member had been
using stolen props at that show BUT we were going to be discreet about
it....not make waves...buy our tickets..watch their show...give them a prepared
written statement afterwards....there was not attitude being thrown by us.
The theater cancelled the show that night because the cast told management that
Midnight Insanity was there to injure performers. Security announced after
about a half hour wait that the show was cancelled and refunded our money. The
show closed a few weeks later.
And yes...as we walked out back as they unloaded the props...we saw some of our
missing stuff in their trailer.
Mark Tomaino
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Mizz <M>
of casts and cast members.
Going to see other casts *assuming* or *demanding* or even *hoping* to
perform is rude. Turning up with no expectations, and to watch the show as
an enthusiastic member of the audience is the right way to behave. Or if
you know the cast get in touch and let them know you're popping in. To
offer to fill an empty role is a gesture of politeness, to which the cast
have every right to accept or refuse, and their answer should be taken in
good spirits, no matter how rejected/pissed off you might feel. It is
*their* show. You are in the audience watching *their* show, not to perform
your own unless they want you to. Remember that the whole ethos of Rocky is
Audience Participation. So participate as a member of the audience, if you
cant do the show.
From the cast point of view, I think the attitude to guest performers is
linked to the attitude of the individual members, as well as the cast as a
whole. And to how seriously they take the whole performance thing - is it a
piece of wondrous cinematic-live theatrical *ART* or are we HAVING FUN in a
cinema at a late night cult movie? Basically, how up your own ass are you?
My POV as the Forks Frank (though I keep offering, no one else in the cast
ever does it!) is: if someone emailed/phoned from elsewhere saying, I'm
coming to the show and could I perform, we'd say Yes, great, what do you do?
and try fit it in. If someone turned up at a show we say Hi! and if they
asked to perform, we'd say yes if their part happened to be empty, most
likely it wouldnt be (unless they are a full time Tranny!) - but I think we
would make the effort to accomodate if we could. The reason?
We do this for FUN.
We wouldnt say no because a "rival" performer would kill someones ego. (If
someone else wanted to play Frank, hell I'd happily let them do it!) Most
characters can be split easy enough. Or if they wouldnt be able to pick up
on our "blocking" (what blocking?!!) If we said no it would probably be
because we couldnt fit that person in, or if maybe their counterpart in our
cast had practised *really* hard for the show, and would feel like their
hard work was wasted.
Here is an example of guest performing: I was in London at the weekend and
on Friday night myself, my beau and a friend went to see RH at the Prince
Charles, with Charming Underclothes. I didnt go in costume as I didnt fancy
trawling round London the whole evening dressed up (it was also an
unbearably hot and sticky night!)
Anyway we walked in just as the film was about to start, and the MC
announced that they were short of players tonight, and not up to their usual
standard. Myself and a chappie from New Orleans instantly put up our hands
and said "Can we help out and take part?" so we went backstage, said hello,
and I got handed various bits of an Eddie costume! (my poor boyfriend was
forced to strip off his black t-shirt and boots. Well, not forced,
exactly... anyway!)
So I did Eddie, and Travis (from NO) did Rocky. And it was *lots* of fun.
The cast needed a role filled. I fancied having fun in front of an audience
(embarrassing my poor bo again!). Blocking? Pah, who cares! You just get
up there and go for it, and *do* the part. They were great fun. Their
Columbia was great fun ;) Travis was great as Rocky. And we got to meet
new friends and swop emails.
Note that at first they said I could do Eddie/Dr Scott, then their Magenta
(who was really not very well) decided to do Dr S (needed the seat!). No
problem, and no egomania from me. I was happy to do whatever (it also meant
I got to see more of *their* show), and I got a big clap at the end.
So supposing I'd shown up in my Frank costume? And heard the MC (who was
Frank) announce they were short of cast? do you a) offer to do the role
you're dressed for b) Insist on doing the role your dressed for? c) offer
to help with anything d) not offer as they dont need you? Answer is of
course c). I could have done Eddie with Frank makeup! So that wouldnt have
been "professional" ? So I wouldnt have looked EXACTLY like the film? So
what! It would be FUNNY !
So now I've met some of the Undies, who were all lovely people, if a bit
stressed out (what cast isnt?) and we've all come away with a positive
impression of each other, and made new friends. Going in with an
expectation to perform and a big bullshit ego would have meant me making a
poor impression of myself, and (importantly) giving my cast a bad image.
The answer then: If you are going to see another cast, get in touch first
if you want to ask about performing but have NO expectations. They are
perfectly at liberty to say Yay or Nay. Go see other casts as often as you
can, and say hello, meet people, offer your services if they are needed but
NEVER make assumptions, and always anticipate you might get a frosty "no"
When people visit your cast, try and welcome them openly and let them
perform if its possible. At least give them a namecheck in your
preshow/intro. Having different people around might keep your show fresher.
Try not to get egos, whether individual or collective.
Government health warning : Taking Rocky Too Seriously can Damge Your Self.
ex...@my-deja.com
thef...@aol.comeagain (Mark Tomaino) wrote:
>And yes...as we walked out back as they unloaded the
>props...we saw some of our missing stuff in their trailer.
Wrong. What you saw were stages that a cast member built. Your tank was
in my back yard under the porch the whole time. We couldn't have used
it even had we wanted to, which we didn't cause it was too damn . Or
don't you remember that was the reason it was sent home with me.
And you were contacted many times and told to come and get the damn
thing.
And what else do you think you saw in there? We shared that storage
with another cast, the only thing we kept in there were the stages, the
wheelchair and our monitor board. Like I said back then, you saw our
stages (four of them stacked on top of each other) the tank was at my
house the whole time.
Can't believe after all this time, you still think I'd use that monster
of a stupid tank. Do you even remember that the damn thing took 4 BIG
guys to move?? That thing wouldn't have even gone down the isle in our
theater let alone been usable during our show.
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again that someone wants to join just to get in for free, and having
too many bodies on the roster causes all kinds of problems. But this
is about guest performers.
I've seen numerous casts perform, and seen many of them (in fact, all
of them, now) leave for various reasons. When I saw a
less-than-perfect performance it was usually a function of the fact
that the theater simply didn't have the right set-up (no stage, no
back-stage, no nothing!). I felt sorry for these casts because
Indecent Exposure and, then, Barely Legal, had the IDEAL theater. So
they really didn't have an excuse to do poorly, and they KNEW it.
As far as I can tell about guest performers, they usually come because
the regular performer has something else to do that week. Nothing
more, usually. Those performers gladly give up their role.
As far as visiting CASTS go, it's been a mixed bag. Visiting casts
sometimes assume too much ("Oh, we can do pretty much whatever we
want...After all, we're 'on cast' too!") and sometimes they show a lot
of restraint, the latter being the most frequent choice. There have
been a couple of incidents that really got my goat. One night, for
instance, a certain MC was visiting another cast and (supposedly) went
into the women's bathroom for some unknown reason. The cast manager
got really PO'd at him and, subsequently, the entire cast, and he told
a certain innocent young lady to, "...get the fuck out of my theater!"
That was totally un-called for, but, then, that MC shouldn't have put
his male ass over the sacred threshold of the Forbidden Realm, either.
Most of the time, though, the visiting cast will camp it up, scream
and yell, get a plug, and have a great time. When FVE came to BC last
week, they were perfect little angels. Now if only we could make them
stay in the theater for the rest of their lives, they'd be okay! :)
It is, as Mark said, a "delicate balance". So there really is no right
answer to this one.-de Sade
On Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:37:47 GMT, lar...@nominex.com (Larry Viezel)
wrote:
>This actually is something we are discussing now at the Home of
>Happiness - what about guest performers. In many shows its cool to
>allow guest performers. In our show I am kinda hesitant. My reason is
>blocking. We are not your run of the mill show. We have big set pieces,
>and odd all-over-the-theatre blocking (Including our platform box
>accessible via ladder from behinnd the screen). There is not a lot of
>room up front. If we have guest performers tripping all over the props
>and tripping all over the other cast members because they don't know
>what to do or where to stand then the show looks poor. Conversely though
>every part in Rocky has a counterpart to play off of. That counterpart
>can tell people where to stand when. So its not that big of a deal.
>
>But thats my only concern at my show. I'm slightly concerned as well
>if the cast actually gets along with these people. I mean if someone
>wants to guest perform and someone in my cast HATES this person - to the
>point that performing with them would make it completely too
>uncomfortable for them to do their role, I don't wanna be the cast
>director to subject a hellish night on a cast member just for the sake
>of being nice to visitors. While i want my audience and regulars to be
>happy, cast members happiness and comfort *do* come first and it is an
>outsider to the cast here that we don't have any obligation to let
>perform (yes, thats flame bait - feel free to grab it and I'll argue
>on both sides of the fence of the personal bullshit post) In this case
>though I see no reason not to cast this trixie. Its a standalone part.
>It was a pinch situation. And this girl was obviously more ready than
>the riff raff they brought up.
>
>In general I am really getting sick of the attitude of a set cast.
>"You can try to join cast, But we are full right now. We'll call
>you if we need you." Thats just silly. Rocky Horror is about
>participating. Rotation allows lots of people to participate and
>it prevents cast member burnout. But conversely making it a free
>for all leads to an unprofessional show. Its a delicate balance
>and therefore needs to be handled delicately.
>
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BertSchnik wrote in message
<19990704163910...@ng-fx1.aol.com>...
>Hi everyone, its Bill, and here's something that I wanted to ask/comment
on...
[snip]
>When she heard that the cast was
>upset because their \Trixie wasnt going to make it, my cast member
vollenteered
>her services. She WAS there in a kick-ass Trxie costume, after all. She
>offered, and one of the cast members repsponded that they already had
another
>Trixie to take the others place. No problem, my cast member sat to watch
the
>show. The Trixie that came out for Sci Fi Double Feature was thecasts
Riffraff,
>and all he did was strike a few poses, vogue the place and mouth the words
to
>the song.
Ever consider that that's what the cast wanted? Maybe thats the way they
always do it. Why chastise the cast for a casting decision that YOU don't
agree with, simply because they didn't do it the way you would have done it.
> The message that my cast members got tht night? That at this place, a
>ualified outsider is still not as good as an insider, even when the wrong
>costume and a poor performance is going on.
Your asking for everyone to subscribe to common sense, how often does that
happen? ;)
> Okay, it gets better: since my 2 cast members go there on occasion, they
>asked if they could perform one time, jjust for fun and to be friendly. The
>response? They were handed an applicatin form and told to fill it out and
if
>anyone was ever sick or quit, then they could do the show once.
> Mu cast members explained that they didnt want to JOIn that cast as they
>live 2 hours away, they just wanted to perform once or twice every three or
>four months or so. And they were told "Yes, I understand, fill out the fom
and
>if anyone is ever sick or quits, THEN you can do the show."
Again, it's the house rules, and you have to respect them, even though you
are a bigger person and welcome other cast members with fewer restrictions
than they put on you. However, I hope your not considering retribution by
not allowing that lone cast member that you let perform not to do so
anymore. Relations with cast and with cast members are not mutually
inclusive. It's not unusual to be friendly with one or two cast members when
generally you want nothing to do with the cast itself.
Our cast has a great working relationship with several other casts in the
area. When we get a run of shows, we always steal from other casts, and they
occationally from us. A mutual aid arrangement that works well, and we as a
general rule let anyone perform with some advance notice. But every cast has
their particular way of doing things, and I don't think its right that you
air this out in the open in the newsgroup under the premise of 'no names,
but....' when you have given enough clues already that a large number know
exactly who you are talking about, when you should be personally be calling
that other cast and asking "whats up with that?".
Bill, unless they are deliberatly cruel to people, or just plain assholes, I
don't think any cast should have to defend their particular policies. Don't
like it? Don't go. After awhile, they'll get the message.
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>Quality Brad and associated services since 1979!
>Coming soon to an episode of 'Cops' near you!
>The Teseracte Players of Boston! Don't flinch!
>Rocky Horror Association of New England can be found at:
>http://www.geocites.com/WestHollywood/Cafe/5458/nwo.html
Opps!
Lets try:
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Cafe/5458/nwo.html
Mark Tomaino
>Date: Mon, 05 July 1999 02:45 PM EDT
>Message-id: <7lqufq$pig$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>
>
>thef...@aol.comeagain (Mark Tomaino) wrote:
>
>>And yes...as we walked out back as they unloaded the
>>props...we saw some of our missing stuff in their trailer.
>
>Wrong. What you saw were stages that a cast member built. Your tank was
>in my back yard under the porch the whole time. We couldn't have used
>it even had we wanted to, which we didn't cause it was too damn . Or
>don't you remember that was the reason it was sent home with me.
>
>And you were contacted many times and told to come and get the damn
>thing.
I know and nobody is mad anymore....but that is how far we had to go to resolve
the issue....
Point is we came in peace with no intention of malice and you cancelled your
show because we were there. It was funny...I hope you think it was funny
now....
Wishing you the best.
BertSchnik
1) I do respect other casts house rules. If they adhere to a selfesh
philosophy, so be it. But to make things a bit more clear: In my original post
I was trying to be diplomatic and adress the question at hand-rudeness. But I
guess I should shed some more lighT: the cast were assholes. Dirty looks,
telling my 2 cast members that they were all going home whe my 2 cast members
asked if they were going out for coffee when in fact they DID go out but wished
to exclude the visitors. Mono-sylabic answers to compliments. (Your cast was
great, we loved you show, etc. The response? "Thnaks" and then a turned back as
they walked away.) And the simple idea that a cast that has a regular show
cannot allow 2 visitors a chance to perform ONCE when this is the only RH show
in an area of hundreds of miles when we allow THEIR visiting cast to
perform...it is, in fact, rude and self centered. And no, I dont respect this.
Rh should be a family. If my 2 people wanted to join and perform each week,
they should go through due process by all means. But if they ask to perform ONE
TIMe and SOMEtime in the future and are told "Only if someone is ill or
quits..." well, I guess I have to respect it, but it isnt in the character of
what (in general) RH people are supposed to be about. What if you lived in a
place that only had 1 show and you could NOT get to any other, you had a great
costume, knew the part, requested to perform ONCE after you came several times
(paying for a ticket each time) and were given a rude brush off? Chances are
you would indeed respect the casts rules, but chances are also that you would
consider them a bunch of rude persons. (C'mon, a Riffraff doing Trixies part
poorly when a GREAT Trixie is there in costume? Its a small part, you cant
REALLY tell me that what they did wasnt rude, can you?) But then again, these
are an isolated cast with no real exposure to other casts, so maybe they think
they are acting OK.
Ok, enough of me! I concede that you had a few good points, well said! Take
care (everyone) Bill
Bill at Berts...@aol.como
jefF - Midnight Madness
>Hi everyone, its Bill, and here's something that I wanted to ask/comment
>on...
>
>Why are some casts so damned rude and unfriendly at times?
Just comes natural to some of them I guess.
(Joke, read on for "real" comments)
<sic Trixie story>
> The message that my cast members got tht night? That at this place, a
>ualified outsider is still not as good as an insider, even when the wrong
>costume and a poor performance is going on.
And while I do think it's tragic for a cast to look at it like that, it is
their right if they want to.
> "Yes, I understand, fill out the form and
>if anyone is ever sick or quits, THEN you can do the show."
> Hmmmm, kinds rude, yes? ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING: A
>member
>of this said cast has performed up here with us in NYC a few times. He is
>quite
>good, a nice guy, and is welcome back at anytime. (we let visiting people
>perform withour cast if we have notice and if its possible that week.)
> So one of their cast members can come up here and we let him perform on
>occasion, but one of our cast members can never perform, even once, unless
>someone quits or is ill. Whats up with that? Weve all seen casts like this
>over
>the years and I STILL cant figure the attitude out.
And I cant figure it out either, though I do hold steadfast to the rule that it
is that casts decision for WHATEVER reason. That's just the personality of the
cast and something that you have to deal with. If your cast welcomes outside
performers, well a pat on the back to you because you ARE doing a good thing.
Realizing that you don't own Rocky and promoting camaraderie among performers.
If you are not, ask yourself why, justify your decision and stick to it and
best of luck either way.
This also offers me a wonderful opportunity to announce our new Friday shows at
the Evanston here in Chicago. Pending the theaters final approval of the date,
we will now be doing shows on odd numbered Fridays. Why is this important to
this thread / post I hear you cry? Because we're making them completely open
shows to any performer from another cast (in particular ones in Chicago since
there is NO other Friday show in Chicago currently). This is a major step to
repairing the situation in Chicago, and making us more like a family again. We
would actually like to see more people from other casts on our stage. Now it
could blow up in our face, or turn into a disaster, but we're game to find out
and we're opening our doors. C'mon in.
>From: Marni Greene para...@net-gate.com wrote;
>1. "Oh my god, they are here in costume and therefore want to take over
>my part." paranoia - self explanatory.
>2. "Oh my god, if we let them play just once then maybe the rest of the
>people will think they are the greatest and from now on think I suck"
>paranoia - still self explanatory.
Seen it. Agreed. Though you should look at the structure of your own cast and
prevent that from happening. While we do have procedures for the better
performers to move up in my cast, it will not happen overnight and definitely
not completely and exclusively.
>
>3. "We are gods and therefore no one could POSSIBLY be better than us!"
>Attitudes - did I mention the self explanatory thing?
Seen it. Like a car wreck with children - it's tragic, and there's little you
can do to help those involved, but watch it and learn.
>4. "If we let this person play one night then we have to let another and
>then another and then why even HAVE a set cast." thought -I know I've
>said it before about that self....oh, never mind.
>
>5. "We just don't wanna."
Both their right, but I feel some of the better, more open to interpretation
casts can adapt to this easier.
>From: "Martin A. Fairgrieve" <za...@FreeNet.co.uk>
>I too would have gone with the junior member to give them the
>experience. On the other hand with a bit of notice I would more than happily
>accommodate a visiting cast member.
>just my $0.02
If it really is the option of giving the performers back up a choice, I'm all
for that and support it, but here that wasn't obviously the case.
"Mizz <M>" fleap...@HATERdial.pipex.com wrote next;
>I think this whole discussion is really about the attitudes and motivations
>of casts and cast members.
You and me both :-)
>Going to see other casts *assuming* or *demanding* or even *hoping* to
>perform is rude.
Kevin from Cleveland wrote a fantastic essay on this very thing, but he took it
off his web page a few months ago. I kept of copy of it for sheer enjoyment.
Can you (I) re-post it Kev? I think it's a great lesson for those on this end
of the spectrum (performers who expect the host cast to accomidate them).
>From the cast point of view, I think the attitude to guest performers is
>linked to the attitude of the individual members, as well as the cast as a
>whole. And to how seriously they take the whole performance thing - is it a
>piece of wondrous cinematic-live theatrical *ART* or are we HAVING FUN in a
>cinema at a late night cult movie? Basically, how up your own ass are you?
>My POV as the Forks Frank (though I keep offering, no one else in the cast
>ever does it!) is: if someone emailed/phoned from elsewhere saying, I'm
>coming to the show and could I perform, we'd say Yes, great, what do you do?
>and try fit it in. If someone turned up at a show we say Hi! and if they
>asked to perform, we'd say yes if their part happened to be empty, most
>likely it wouldnt be (unless they are a full time Tranny!) - but I think we
>would make the effort to accomodate if we could.
Exactly how I would handle it too. Guest performers are more than welcome at
the Evanston w/notice, and even w/o depending on availability (though most
parts these days have triple backups in our cast)
>So supposing I'd shown up in my Frank costume? And heard the MC (who was
>Frank) announce they were short of cast? do you a) offer to do the role
>you're dressed for b) Insist on doing the role your dressed for? c) offer
>to help with anything d) not offer as they dont need you? Answer is of
>course c). I could have done Eddie with Frank makeup! So that wouldnt have
>been "professional" ? So I wouldnt have looked EXACTLY like the film? So
>what! It would be FUNNY !
As one who loves stuff like that and is not quite anal about how his show goes,
I'd say go for it - especially if we were in a jam for performers that night.
Good call!
>Going in with an
>expectation to perform and a big bullshit ego would have meant me making a
>poor impression of myself, and (importantly) giving my cast a bad image.
Point to be made though is not to hold the views of one person against a cast.
EVERY cast has at least one or two pain in the asses / unreasonable people on
it. Don't assume that one person reflects the attitude of the entire cast.
From: lar...@nominex.com (Larry Viezel) then wrote;
>I'm slightly concerned as well
>if the cast actually gets along with these people. I mean if someone
>wants to guest perform and someone in my cast HATES this person - to the
>point that performing with them would make it completely too
>uncomfortable for them to do their role,
Understandable, but it also comes down too how important / volatile this person
is in your cast too. I've been forced several times this year to tell my
performers to calm down because people they didn't like in the cast or audience
pissed them off. I really don't like telling my own people that they have to
"deal with it" but they do. Be the bigger person, the pseudo professional and
don't let personal BS show through on stage. Most performers when called on
their little melodramatics of someone they don't like in the theater and
they're told to go take a walk, will calm down at the risk of looking like and
ass to everyone or losing their place on the cast. Of course if it's what Larry
calls the "companion part" to that person, it's kind of another can o' worms.
But we can debate the subtleties of this issue alone for weeks before we come
up with all the possibilities and solutions.
>In general I am really getting sick of the attitude of a set cast.
>"You can try to join cast, But we are full right now. We'll call
>you if we need you." Thats just silly. Rocky Horror is about
>participating. Rotation allows lots of people to participate and
>it prevents cast member burnout. But conversely making it a free
>for all leads to an unprofessional show. Its a delicate balance
>and therefore needs to be handled delicately.
Depends on how committed you are to the set pattern. I've had new members come
up with more logical blocking patterns just because they didn't know any better
and we ended up making them our standards. The more you set yourselves into a
groove the harder it is to get out of it if you need / want to. We constantly
rotate our performers and usually use more than one for the same part in the
same night. We get complaints about that (people saying I don't know who is who
- but that is more of a costume issue I think </MMcastsubliminalmessage>) , but
I don't care we have fun with it that way. We've never turned anyone away from
joining us even when we've had over 40, but the newer members can't expect to
get any real stage time either until the place thins out again.
>Personally though I am
>not thrilled with allowing people who have never seen the show to
>guest perform (sets, props, blocking and dammit it should be fun to
>visit and watch another cast and take the night off from being in
>the spotlight for once).
Neither am I. However, one of the best Eddie perormances we've had in our cast
in the past 5 years was this guy who had not only never seen us before, but had
never seen Rocky before. We gave him the coat, planted him on stage and he
turned on this improv performance that our audience (and cast) totally loved.
He knew nothing, no blocking, no moves, not that he was supposed to interact w/
Columbia (she helped him though), but it was just the kind of raw energy - non
static performance that makes you watch the cast, and not the movie.
Then thef...@aol.comeagain (Mark Tomaino) wrote;
>We run into a lot of people who want to join cast just to get in free and get
>the free sodas...seriously. They just don't want to buy a ticket.
Do what Midnight Madness does - charge admission to new cast members for their
trial period. If one PAYS to get in for a brief period, they usually have what
it takes to take part for free. If they are not willing to do that, then I
would seriously question their motives to be a part of your cast. 4-12 weeks
(or whatever the trial period you decide) is not that long. Now even MM doesn't
hold steadfast to this, if the person shows up with a full costume on their
first week and performs their section / part well, that's enough and we'll
forgo it, as well as during periods where we have a low cast count / open parts
they're willing to take on. It might seem like playing favorites, but damn it
weeds out the casual types fast.
>But we have
>to sell tickets to have a show. It is rare but if we have someone who wants
to
>join and we don't see anywhere we can use them....at least temporarily until
>we find a set job for them...we hold off on their app. Yes we want them to
>participate...but we have 40 on cast now and if someone is not ACTIVELY doing
>some job..performing or otherwise..our theater manager inquires or threatens
to
>charge them admission so we try to run as lean as we can so we do not wind up
>with the theater imposing some unreasonable cap.
And that sounds like a decision you and your cast have to make Mark. As one
that had a limit put on free cast admissions at his last theater (thank you
Ron, just another BS reason we walked out) and is now at a theater where every
ticket sold is life or death for our cast (curse of performing for a corporate
chain), I've had to draw that line on may occasions, and the first to go is the
dead weight (freeloaders). We have a cast admission list where everyone is
listed in seniority so they know where they stand w/ us. Since we work on a
point system for seniority and not time put in, it is possible for a cast
member that only has a few months with us to surpass those that have been here
a year. Points are giving for costume / performance / attendance / contribution
to props / etc. and deducted for No Call No Shows, causing trouble, doing
nothing, etc. It might seem like an unfair 'what have you done for me lately'
kind of thing, but it keeps all the ducks in a row.
>Funny story...
>We went to a show out in the boonies...a few years ago...in costume..friday
>nite about twelve of us. We WERE going to see if an ex cast member had been
>using stolen props at that show BUT we were going to be discreet about
>it....not make waves...buy our tickets..watch their show...give them a
prepared
>written statement afterwards....there was not attitude being thrown by us.
>The theater cancelled the show that night because the cast told management
that
>Midnight Insanity was there to injure performers. Security announced after
>about a half hour wait that the show was cancelled and refunded our money.
The
>show closed a few weeks later.
Ohhhhh, can we please NOT have this "discussion" again (too late, as I see
we're now a few posts into it)!
Actually as one of about six people still here on the NG that was also here for
the Colton Show debacle / thread, it wasn't that funny if I remember right.
That wasn't really that much of a visiting cast / performing issue either and I
don't think I even reached a conclusion in my own mind about who was right or
not on that one. Though personally, if you have another issue with another
show, or cast, or performer, AT THE SHOW is NOT the time to take it up no
matter how civil or innocent you planned on being that night. Now while I have
no doubt that you didn't go there looking for trouble as you say, you should
have had the common sense to know that it would've turned into what it did.
Your past history with the person / cast in question was obviously volatile
enough by your own admission, why make it more so?
As Bill Brennan read this and goes "Why the hell is that kid doing these huge
posts instead of working on the damn Shock Treatment book!"
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Ex-Delivery Boy
What a can of worms...
When we were still playing, we'd have the occasional ex-cast member or
visiting cast peoples attending, and sometimes it worked out that they got to play,
sometimes it didnt. We weren't ever trying to be rude, but perhaps there was
"something planned" or a "special show". I have visited a couple of casts and I
personally feel that one should never ever assume anything.
When someone goes to see a cast, they should realize that they are
going as an *gasp* audience member. Going in costume should be ok, that just shows
your excited about the movie if anything. When myself and a few others from our
cast went and saw A Jump to the Left in Tucson, most of us went in costume, just to
dress up not because we thought we'd be performing or anything. It was very
generous and pretty neat when they asked us up to do the Time Warp with them. We
hung out afterwards and we all got to know each other and it was a great time. In
my own humble opinion, if you are visiting a cast, then wait until you are asked
about performing, maybe they are doing a special show, or one of their cast members
is jsut playing a part they normally dont play. If someone shows up from another
cast, and is overly pushy about playing, that can be a huge turn off and a major
pain in the ass.
Back in March of 98, I was in Cali visiting some friends who had joined
Midnight Insanity, I went in costume at THEIR request, and Mark said it'd be cool
if I played at their Friday night show when they were still at the Topanga mostly
because I would be playing Eddie opposite Missy's Columbia, who was once in my
cast. If he had said no, it would have been disappointing, but not the end of the
world. (thanx again Mark).
Scott
Broadway Bound
and Gagged
Tempe, AZ
Mark Tomaino
>From: Ex-Delivery Boy <time...@uswest.net>
>Date: Tue, 06 July 1999 04:42 AM EDT
>Message-id: <3781C185...@uswest.net>
Stop spreading lies and vicious rumors that I did something nice once :)
You are welcome...I am glad you enjoyed it! And starting July 22 you are
welcome to perform at our friday shows once again because topanga is still
running (we gave birth to the cast Wild and Untamed Things who perform there
now and now we do the Fridays at the Four star in Garden Grove every two weeks.
>
>Scott
>Broadway Bound
>and Gagged
>Tempe, AZ
>
Mark Tomaino
quality
Thats more like it. Say what you feel. I still think you should call the
cast out by name here. If they think they can defend a poor policy like
that, so be it.
>Chances are
>you would indeed respect the casts rules, but chances are also that you
would
>consider them a bunch of rude persons. (C'mon, a Riffraff doing Trixies
part
>poorly when a GREAT Trixie is there in costume? Its a small part, you cant
>REALLY tell me that what they did wasnt rude, can you?) But then again,
these
>are an isolated cast with no real exposure to other casts, so maybe they
think
>they are acting OK.
I probably would consider them rude, and would not return. And a good point,
an isolated cast is the only game in town, so they can pretty much act any
way they please without fear of loosing an audience.
A touchy subject indeed, but your right. There is a minimum behavior level
that we all share just by virtue of the community we are in. No cast should
be an island.
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> I was trying to be diplomatic and adress the question at hand-rudeness. <snip>
some people are just rude. YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?! hehe.. :)
if that's all it is, those individuals probably won't be around long anyway.
> But then again, these are an isolated cast with no real exposure
> to other casts, so maybe they think they are acting OK.
hey.. isolation sucks, but it doesn't necessarily breed undesirable
qualities. if they think their behavior is OK, they're probably obsessed,
paranoid, and still haven't quite figured out why they come back every
week. that doesn't last forever either. of course, exposure to more
worldy groups might do some good... you could send them some email and open
a dialogue.
speaking of inexperience and isolation... 10 days ago there was a
screening of RHPS in a tiny port town in puget sound called Bremerton. it
was at an art gallery in a big empty room, projected on a big blank wall.
there were 3-4 dozen folding chairs set up in sloppy rows, and a 6 inch
riser set up in front of the screen/wall. this show was not well
publicized, just a few flyers. fortunately, someone found out about this
friday show on thursday and emailed me. when i got the email friday night,
i nearly jumped out of my chair.. costume contest starts 10PM, bring stuff
to throw, it was an experimental deal, donations accepted. three VTC
people and i grabbed costuming, made toast (yeah, toast!), and hit the
road.
we were late. (we couldn't find the place, and then we were stopped by
the police.. that's another story). they probably started the movie around
10:15, and we walked in on the car scene. the turnout was good, and people
kept showing up until 11 or so. there were several _very_ good costumes,
and even a Dr. Scott in a wheelchair. some people knew AP lines, but there
was no one on stage. we spoke with the sponsors, and asked about
performing, they said "oh yeah, go ahead!" the whole crowd was distracted
for a moment when we walked in.. we did kinda stand out. we were big frogs
in a little pond ...at first.
we grabbed several people out of the audience to perform, some did the
whole show, some filtered in and out, only 3 of us had performance
experience, but it was a great show! it was silly and friendly and highly
interactive. there was all kinds of random weird due to the complete
absence of meticulous planning, but everything flowed somehow in spite of
it. as the show progressed, and i went through my anal costume changes,
yadda yadda, something seemed wrong.. not bad, just not quite right. this
show had a smouldering energy to it that i haven't felt that strong in
...maybe never. it was _thick_ in there, not quite as electric and campy as
VTC shows, more cult-ish, but just as funny, and in some ways both more
comfortable _and_ unsettling than theatres or other venues i've been to
rocky in. it was like a private party, all fans and friendly crashers
invited. that feeling bugged me every time i stopped to change costumes.
it finally dawned me what was really wrong while lacing my floorshow
corset. the realization washed over me like a drug... why the hell was i
leaving a great party to change my clothes?! here's one for ripley... the
RHPS phenomenon had overridden show momentum, my anal performance pet
peeves that have accumulated like waxy buildup, and my ego (several VTC
members are placing calls to ripley's right now, lol..). i wanted to blow
the floorshow off and run back in there rather than miss any more of the
show (of course i didn't). i hope that made sense, because if not, there's
no explaining it.
a lot of people stayed and talked after the show. the mother of the
"janet" that evening, who was there (and looked really cute) in jammies and
mouse ears, approached me, thanked us for coming, and said she had been
columbia at the neptune theatre (my home venue) over 20 years ago.. she was
before my time by several years, but ..i'd found long lost family! i
implored her to send me pictures :) the sponsors were really nice too.
they're just fans who wanted to do a show and had the means. they plan to
do it again, maybe every few months or something, which sounds _great_ to
me.
next time, we'll bring more people, less costuming, and definitely plan
to go without a plan. and with toast! yeah toast! don't get me wrong, i
love the glitz of a big production, and wouldn't trade it, even if that
were possible. if the bremerton show became regular and frequent, or
became a big publicized event, nothing would set it apart from any other
regular run anyway, but damn, that group was awesome... HOORAY for the
little pond!
in case you were wondering what under the canopy this had to do with rude
casts; first off, i think the isolation problem isn't geographical or RH
community related. _IMHO_, those people are isolated from the whole
friggin' point, because whatever it is about RHPS which generates the
tendancy for a large, diverse group of people to achieve the level of
comfortable intimacy i experienced 10 days ago gets lost or watered down
when we forget that "we" and "they" are subdivisions of us, and _us_, being
_there at that level_, is the point, for virgins and veterans alike. that
may or may not be one explanation for rude casts, high virgin percentages,
and declining patronage in general. but mostly, it was a wonderful
experience, and i felt like writing about it :)
--
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lar...@nominex.com
berts...@aol.com (BertSchnik) wrote:
> The Trixie that came out for Sci Fi Double Feature was the casts
> Riffraff, and all he did was strike a few poses, vogue the place
> and mouth the words to the song.
Two things crossed my mind this morning.
1) When its a spontaneous unplanned thing - i.e. no special costuming,
no set plan on what you are going to do - is it just me or do most
trixies seem to do just that. Strike a few poses and mouth the words to
the song hoping their actions have some semblance to do with what is
going on in the lyrics (thats latter half is if your lucky). Also, do a
lot of trixies also run out of poses to strike by the second verse and
then just start striking the same ones over again? Just a pet peeve i
guess, but I like trixies that actually plan out their act and figure
out what to do other than wear lingere and vogue. Ones that interact
with he audience and really give them something to look at thats more
interesting than the words "Continuity.... Sue Merry" (yeah, her career
went places.)
2) Carole is the only person I've seen that played both Riff Raff and
Trixie in the same night. And she did a fantastic job at both parts.
(Subtle public compliment a month and a half ipso facto)
Larry.
Kate Pitroff
>From: lar...@nominex.com
>Subject: Re: Why are some casts so rude to visitors/other casts?
>Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:52:35 GMT
(snip)
>1) When its a spontaneous unplanned thing - i.e. no special costuming,
>no set plan on what you are going to do - is it just me or do most
>trixies seem to do just that. Strike a few poses and mouth the words to
>the song hoping their actions have some semblance to do with what is
>going on in the lyrics (thats latter half is if your lucky). Also, do a
>lot of trixies also run out of poses to strike by the second verse and
>then just start striking the same ones over again? Just a pet peeve i
>guess, but I like trixies that actually plan out their act and figure
>out what to do other than wear lingere and vogue. Ones that interact
>with he audience and really give them something to look at thats more
>interesting than the words "Continuity.... Sue Merry" (yeah, her career
>went places.)
Thank you. Other Trixie peeves of mine:
* Trixies who are cemented behind that box, up on stage, and don't DO
anything. Dude, remember that lip-synch show "Putting on the Hits"?
Exactly my point. Mouthing the words alone does not a Trixie make.
* Trixies who, if they MUST strip, are down to the lingerie in less than two
lines of the damn song. Also in this group are the stripping Trixies who take
off everything during the first verse or chorus. These people must have NO
mystery in their lives. And they must eat dessert at the same time they eat
their soup, salad, and entree.
* Trixies who are too uber-serious and in love with their sexy selves to look
like they're having any fun. It just turns me off in a BIG way.
* Newbies (or, really, old-timers) who think that the ONLY way to do Trixie is
to strip. Grr.
--kate
extra-grouchy this morning
tucson, az
Tracey Linczer
> anything. Dude, remember that lip-synch show "Putting on the Hits"?
> Exactly my point. Mouthing the words alone does not a Trixie make.
TOTALLY AGREE! most of the fun of doing Trixie is the fact that there is
absolutely no mimicking involved, so you can move around the theater with
absolute freedom.
>
> * Trixies who, if they MUST strip, are down to the lingerie in less than two
> lines of the damn song. Also in this group are the stripping Trixies who take
> off everything during the first verse or chorus. These people must have NO
> mystery in their lives. And they must eat dessert at the same time they eat
> their soup, salad, and entree.
now now, sometimes it is neccessary to strip within the first verse because the
costume underneath is so hot...
>
> * Newbies (or, really, old-timers) who think that the ONLY way to do Trixie is
> to strip. Grr.
what about those that feel the only way to do it is in the old-school Roxy
costume?
In all this time, I have yet to see a man get up for Trixie. I know that they
exist, and I would love to see one...
Tracey
you can call me Jello
OR NYC TRIXIE
Lila Zimman
>to strip. Grr.
I second that motion. When you go to a show every week, and the Trixie always
strips, it does get boring. Now, I'm all for a good stripping Trixie, when the
occasion fits. For birthday shows (the Trixie's [especially their 18th!] or
someone else on cast's) or some other special occasions, sure, go at it! But
it will get boring after a not so long while.
(Although, there are some who can pull it off...it's all in the attitude.)
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lar...@nominex.com
tra...@themixx-nokidding.com wrote:
> In all this time, I have yet to see a man get up for Trixie. I know
> that they exist, and I would love to see one...
>
Last week Phil, our regular frank, did trixie. He is our regular frank.
We were short on performers and running late into the show so i went to
the dressing room, saw phil halfway into his eyebrow makeup and
said "Would you be willing to do trixie for us?" So he threw together a
costume from what was lying around the dressing room. And Viola! It was
terrific.
Arthur Levesque
>> Trixie is to strip. Grr.
Lila Zimman (fnor...@aol.com) wrote:
LZ>I second that motion. When you go to a show every week, and the
LZ>Trixie always strips, it does get boring...
I've never been in a cast with a stripping Trixie; I believe I've
only once been to a theater with one (and I've been to a lot of
theaters!) So yes, people talk about stripping Trixies on the newsgroup a
lot, but it doesn't seem like there are that many of them out there...
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>snip<
: Thank you. Other Trixie peeves of mine:
:
: * Trixies who are cemented behind that box, up on stage, and don't DO
: Exactly my point. Mouthing the words alone does not a Trixie make.
Thank you. Other Rocky performer peeves of mine:
* Rocky performers who are cemented behind that box, up on stage, and
don't DO anything. Dude, remember that lip-synch show "Putting on
the Hits"? Exactly my point. Mouthing the words alone does not a
Rocky performer make.
:-)
: * Trixies who, if they MUST strip, are down to the lingerie in less than
: two lines of the damn song. Also in this group are the stripping Trixies
: who take off everything during the first verse or chorus. These people
: must have NO mystery in their lives. And they must eat dessert at the
: same time they eat their soup, salad, and entree.
Well...they do all eat at Denny's after all, can you really blame
them? How many Rocky people even know which fork to use for salad,
the sixth or the seventh one?
: * Trixies who are too uber-serious and in love with their sexy selves to
: look like they're having any fun. It just turns me off in a BIG way.
Agreed.
Sexy is first in the soul, second in the mind, and only lastly in
the skin.
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heh, our cast doesnt even have a Trixie, we do something that we just call the
"Lip Dance", which is kinda hard to explain, but I'll try. Several of our cast
are just on stage and we kinda act out the song and AP lines. We've thought
about having a Trixie some times, just never got around to it. One of the
funnier things we do, for the line, "..and this is how the message ran..." we
have a guy that runs across the stage with a different message, he holds it
across his, ummm, pelvic area, and it looks like he's nekkid. We might try a
Trixie some day tho.
ze...@bawdycaste.org
:>>* Newbies (or, really, old-timers) who think that the ONLY way to do
:>> Trixie is to strip. Grr.
:
: Lila Zimman (fnor...@aol.com) wrote:
: LZ>I second that motion. When you go to a show every week, and the
: LZ>Trixie always strips, it does get boring...
:
: I've never been in a cast with a stripping Trixie; I believe I've
: only once been to a theater with one (and I've been to a lot of theaters!)
: So yes, people talk about stripping Trixies on the newsgroup a lot, but it
: doesn't seem like there are that many of them out there...
I can't remember the last west coast show I've heard of or seen that
*didn't* have a stripping Trixie as the norm.
Maybe it's just east of the Rockies that things are different?
Or maybe it's just hotter on the coast? :-)
Hersheycj
San Luis Obispo's twin trixies...they were hot. Ive never seen that much
intertwining on stage :)
Midnight Insanity's trixies done by a *male* member of cast Fozzie. They were
always expertly done and I was always kind of partial to them...dont know why
;P
And my favorite was Dallas' cast (trixies toys I think)...when I went there
last summer, the entire cast did the opening sequence, complete with
choregraphed moves. It was awesome.
Christa
Dr.Scott/Criminologist
Wild and Untamed Things, CA
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Non-Pimpable :)
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ihat...@spamsucks.com
this.)
Rocky is not meant to be a strip show, but it is in part the freedom to express
one's own sexuality and sensuality in a relatively non threatening atmosphere.
Plus, my memories of a stripping Trixie are Kristine Martin who never went "all
the way" but did a fantastic tease that got me...well in the same state as when
"..I saw Jeanette Scott..."
However if I see a stripping Trixie, I want it to be well thought out and... AN
ADULT. Sorry, anything younger than about 19 doing that just creeps me out and is
not something I want to see.
ze...@bawdycaste.org
>snip<
: However if I see a stripping Trixie, I want it to be well thought out
: and... AN ADULT. Sorry, anything younger than about 19 doing that just
: creeps me out and is not something I want to see.
On the advice of my attorney, I am pleading the 5th.
Sync78
they should be welsomed, my problem is as a fromer director, we reherse our
asses off to get together the show,when a person comes and doesnt know our
blocking , it poses a problem, true that can be discussed ahead of time to an
extent , but we work really hard to put on a show and we alternate people as
much as possible as our cast grows, in the past we had a set cast because we
had few extra people, obviously if youre better at the part or at least try and
work on it youll get cast. but people from other casts showing up and wanting
to preform, well frankly we dont just let ANYONE up there. how do we know if
that persons preformance wont affect our show for the worst, like i said
especially for new people they have to work for it, and they tend to get upset
if we allow someone to preform without seeing them do it. i have seen some
other casts and frankly some of thier players were a mess. im not knocking them
its thier show, but our rules are a little bit diffrent. we have advisors and a
director who all have to approve someone before they are allowed to preform
this saves them embarassment, and us some frustration. weve had other cast
members preform at our show and it proved to cause problems. most of which came
from tarritorality. wrong of some of our cast memebers and they were chastised
for it. as far as being malicious towards other casts, maybe your show isnt as
good as you think it is, dont judge someone elses
Lila Zimman
>However if I see a stripping Trixie, I want it to be well thought out
>and... AN ADULT. Sorry, anything younger than about 19 doing that just
>creeps me out and is not something I want to see.
I'm gonna hafta agree on that one...although, age doesn't have a whole lot to
do with it, it's more about *looking* like a little girl. I find it kind of
irking to see someone (age 15 or 18 or 25) stripping when they look
pre-pubescent. If I can't tell someone is young, because they have a developed
body, then I don't mind at all.
(Again, some people can pull it off...and if someone is very thin and small
with small breasts, then there's nothing they can do about it, and I don't
think that should keep them from strip-Trixieing if they want to [assuming they
*are* a legal adult,] it's just not my personal preference.)
Then Zenin wrote, in response to James' post:
> On the advice of my attorney, I am pleading the 5th.
Oh, come on now, we've all read your RHFC...
Brady Ferguson
>
> ihat...@spamsucks.com wrote:
> >snip<
> : However if I see a stripping Trixie, I want it to be well thought out
> : and... AN ADULT. Sorry, anything younger than about 19 doing that just
> : creeps me out and is not something I want to see.
>
Ditto.
-Brady
Kelly Streamer
>last summer, the entire cast did the opening sequence, complete with
>choregraphed moves. It was awesome.
>
That dance (I've seen the Walnut cast) is the same one that Los Bastardos uses.
I don't remember how or who got it started, but my cast used it for several
years. I'm guessing someone saw another cast and learned it that way (Austin
cast - do you guys do it?)
Kelly
Director/Magenta
Transylvanian Warped Sensation, RIP
Shella
>That dance (I've seen the Walnut cast) is the same one that Los Bastardos uses.
> I don't remember how or who got it started, but my cast used it for several
>years. I'm guessing someone saw another cast and learned it that way (Austin
>cast - do you guys do it?)
Nope, we have a stripping trixie, and last time I checked, so did
Houston. However, I must note that in neither cast does trixie strip
during the first line or two. We always wait until the middle of the
song.
Shella
Queerios
Austin, TX
Unknown
the night off and this is what happened instead...
A coffin was brought down the aisles and placed onstage, and a Marilyn
Monroe lookalike got out and started doing the pouty Marilyn thing, in
time to the music. When an Elvis lookalike came along, they started
dancing together. There was dry-ice fog and colored lighting, and the
crowd adored it! We were lucky to have a girl on cast who LOVED
Marilyn and a guy whose nickname was "Elvis". It worked SO well! Not
every cast will have those exact ingredients, but with a little
imagination, it can break the routine.
The only thing I'd gripe about with the Trixies is that I'm not dating
one! :)-de Sade
>Thank you. Other Trixie peeves of mine:
>
>* Trixies who are cemented behind that box, up on stage, and don't DO
>anything. Dude, remember that lip-synch show "Putting on the Hits"?
>Exactly my point. Mouthing the words alone does not a Trixie make.
>
>* Trixies who, if they MUST strip, are down to the lingerie in less than two
>lines of the damn song. Also in this group are the stripping Trixies who take
>off everything during the first verse or chorus. These people must have NO
>mystery in their lives. And they must eat dessert at the same time they eat
>their soup, salad, and entree.
>
>* Trixies who are too uber-serious and in love with their sexy selves to look
>like they're having any fun. It just turns me off in a BIG way.
>
>* Newbies (or, really, old-timers) who think that the ONLY way to do Trixie is
>to strip. Grr.
>
Ktinx
>Rocky is not meant to be a strip show, but it is in part the freedom to
>express
>one's own sexuality and sensuality in a relatively non threatening
>atmosphere.
>Plus, my memories of a stripping Trixie are Kristine Martin who never went
>"all
>the way" but did a fantastic tease that got me...well in the same state as
>when
>"..I saw Jeanette Scott..."
>
Ahhh.. You're making me blush :-)
If you are still in the SoCal area, I may be doing a guest Trixie at the Rialto
on the 17th. Email me for details and confirmation if you're interested :-)
Thanks for the compliment! It's nice to know there are people out there still
remember me!
I'm in SUCH a better mood now! Thanks!
:-)
Kristine
Martin A. Fairgrieve
> costume?
>
> exist, and I would love to see one...
>
Hi guys,
well I am one of the Trixies for "Dr.Scotts Extra Forks" - it depends on the pre
show number as to whether I play her or not - It would seem that Trixie is done
differently in the UK from the way it is performed in the US we for example do not
do a strip show (I was some what surprised when I first saw this at a show over the
pond in 1995). Our Trixie has a number of props in her ice cream tray which are
shown to the audience as the song is sung - I know it sounds a bit lame but it is
quite funny for the audience. So come to one of our shows and you may see a male
Trixie!!! (there are photos of me as Trixie at a show at the following URL if you
wish)
http://members.tripod.com/~TARDISpilot/odeon.html
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ze...@bawdycaste.org wrote in message <93155459...@thrush.omix.com>...
>: However if I see a stripping Trixie, I want it to be well thought out
>: and... AN ADULT. Sorry, anything younger than about 19 doing that just
>: creeps me out and is not something I want to see.
>
> On the advice of my attorney, I am pleading the 5th.
I second that motion, your honor.
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>
>One of the best "Trixie" openings I've seen was when the Trixie took
>the night off and this is what happened instead...
>
>A coffin was brought down the aisles and placed onstage, and a Marilyn
>Monroe lookalike got out and started doing the pouty Marilyn thing, in
>time to the music. When an Elvis lookalike came along, they started
>dancing together. There was dry-ice fog and colored lighting, and the
>crowd adored it! We were lucky to have a girl on cast who LOVED
>Marilyn and a guy whose nickname was "Elvis". It worked SO well! Not
>every cast will have those exact ingredients, but with a little
>imagination, it can break the routine.
>
>The only thing I'd gripe about with the Trixies is that I'm not dating
>one! :)-de Sade
>
I have seen many cool Trixie routines. On some of my past casts we've had a
the pop the ballooons Trixie(thank you Katriona), school marm(with a school
boy) (not real aged boy), did a double bondage Trixie(with Shannon Pimental
a.k.a. Quazi), Gangster Trixie, Jessika Rabbit Trixie( yummmmmyyy, thank you
Thair), and numerous other ones. We try to have our Trixies in this area
different otherwise they get majorly boring.
Oh and I AM dating a Trixie. =) well she performs other roles too. =)
Yummmmyummmmmmmyyyyy
Marc Berman "Still the National Jew of Rocky Horror"
actor for Under Sedation/Sacramento,CA
Alumni:Erotic Nightmares,Palo Alto/Belmont, CA:Bawdy Caste, San Jose, CA:
Cosmic Light, San Mateo, CA
Guest with Zenroom,San Luis Obispo,CA
drdi...@aol.com
Ruth Fink-Winter
Trixie sung by Columbia. Of course, the Houston cast has gone through some
changes since...
Ruth Fink-Winter
Shella <frea...@quickfinger.com> wrote in message
news:378696ab.2058361464@news.fibr.net...
Jeremy Moran
>one that Los Bastardos uses. I don't remember
>how or who got it started, but my cast used it for
>several years.
I didn't know Walnut used the same dance we do, but hey, when you've got
several casts in the same area, there's sure to be quite a bit of
borrowing, especially as cast members change casts, or if one cast sees
something they really like in a show. But hey, it's all in good fun.
Although I'm still pretty sure *we* were the ones to originate the
"Meanwhile, back at Six Flags Over Texas" line when you see Frank
floating in the pool. :) I love tasteless humor. Now if we can just
bring back the JonBenet lines... ;)
+ +
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* * *
Dr. Scott/Transie - Los Bastardos RHPS Cast
http://www.losbastardos.com
= =
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas
Adams
Kelly Streamer
>bring back the JonBenet lines... ;)
>
We had OJ Simpson lines for years...
Simon Marks
<fleap...@HATERdial.pipex.com> uttered these immortal words...
<SNIP!>
>Here is an example of guest performing: I was in London at the weekend and
>on Friday night myself, my beau and a friend went to see RH at the Prince
>Charles, with Charming Underclothes. I didnt go in costume as I didnt fancy
>trawling round London the whole evening dressed up (it was also an
>unbearably hot and sticky night!)
>
>Anyway we walked in just as the film was about to start, and the MC
>announced that they were short of players tonight, and not up to their usual
>standard. Myself and a chappie from New Orleans instantly put up our hands
>and said "Can we help out and take part?" so we went backstage, said hello,
>and I got handed various bits of an Eddie costume! (my poor boyfriend was
>forced to strip off his black t-shirt and boots. Well, not forced,
>exactly... anyway!)
>
>So I did Eddie, and Travis (from NO) did Rocky. And it was *lots* of fun.
>The cast needed a role filled. I fancied having fun in front of an audience
>(embarrassing my poor bo again!). Blocking? Pah, who cares! You just get
>up there and go for it, and *do* the part. They were great fun. Their
>Columbia was great fun ;) Travis was great as Rocky. And we got to meet
>new friends and swop emails.
We love you!
We think you're wonderful!
Come back soon!
I think an additional point....
Missing cast members is a stressfilled horrible time. Some people
react badly to this
And Another one;
If someone pulls out of a show at the last moment, and it is major
part, what you need is someone who you know and trust (to help you
relax) in that part so you don't keep fretting over them.
That is why our two angels got (relativley) minor roles. Not because
we didn't think that they couldn't do well, but because we needed to
know exactly what was going on....
All this from someone who has racked up another "never again, until
next time" moment on that show <Grin>
-Simon Marks (Simon...@Hotmail.com)
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you done this"
"300 and counting..."
"What shows?"
"No, times I've answered
that question"
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VTC
>
> I can't remember the last west coast show I've heard of or seen that
> *didn't* have a stripping Trixie as the norm.
>
your heinie up here as you keep saying you will.. ;) VTC trixies don't
strip, though the usherette costumes are minimal to start with. FYI, they
perform a flexibly choreographed interactive number, with a choreographed
trannie chorus backup. i've never seen the Vancouver, BC cast's SciFiDF
performance done by a stripping trixie either.
--
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The Vicarious Theatre Company, The Varsity Theatre, Seattle, WA
Come into our parlor... check out our website www.thezenroom.com
VTC
> >
> > * Newbies (or, really, old-timers) who think that the ONLY way to do
> > Trixie is to strip. Grr.
>
> what about those that feel the only way to do it is in the old-school Roxy
> costume?
>
how about those who feel there is only one right way to do anything, for
that matter...
> In all this time, I have yet to see a man get up for Trixie. I know that they
> exist, and I would love to see one...
>
i've seen it done, though most of our menfolk don't particularly want to do
trixie. though... we have had switch nights where we do a "why the men
don't do trixie" theme. ALL the male members of the cast (who will) get up
there in women's lingerie and simultaneously perform the role... it's
completely hillarious!
Dean Golden
averaging at least 2 a month, and including duel male trixies too :)
Dean Golden
VTC wrote in message ...
BertSchnik
enjoy seeing a good old fashioned "Trixie" as in the usherette, and I also
enjoy seeing the "stripper" Trixie. Only thing that annoys me is when a
Usherette Trixie gets up to do SF DF and some dunce gets all upset because
"that isnt a stripper, that isnt how Trixie is done!" Yup, there are people
that have no clue who trixie is and think that stripping is the ONLY correct
"Trixie" thing.
Well, thats my .02! See ya!
Bill Brennan
Arthur Levesque
>>Now, I *like* a stripping Trixie... However if I see a stripping
>>Trixie, I want it to be well thought out and... AN ADULT. Sorry,
>>anything younger than about 19 doing that just creeps me out and is
>>not something I want to see.
I figured SOMEBODY should post in support of this statement, to
counteract all the fifth amendments being pled (Byron copped not only the
fifth amendment, but several others as well)... I was in Canada last
year, where the age of consent is 14, and I saw a couple of strippers at
one club who looked barely that old. It seriously bothered me and I
couldn't look...
Mike Stueber
>
> ze...@bawdycaste.org wrote:
> >
> > I can't remember the last west coast show I've heard of or seen that
> > *didn't* have a stripping Trixie as the norm.
> >
> not so, zenin! you've heard of us, not that you seem to be able to haul
> your heinie up here as you keep saying you will.. ;) VTC trixies don't
> strip, though the usherette costumes are minimal to start with. FYI, they
> perform a flexibly choreographed interactive number, with a choreographed
> trannie chorus backup. i've never seen the Vancouver, BC cast's SciFiDF
> performance done by a stripping trixie either.
And the Home of Happiness cast of NJ has had a Trixie who starts out in
her underwear and works her way _up_ from there :)
--
-Mike
Of course, that's when they bother to _open_... <clears throat loudly>
;)
ze...@bawdycaste.org
: ihat...@spamsucks.com wrote:
:>>Now, I *like* a stripping Trixie... However if I see a stripping
:>>Trixie, I want it to be well thought out and... AN ADULT. Sorry,
:>>anything younger than about 19 doing that just creeps me out and is
:>>not something I want to see.
:
: I figured SOMEBODY should post in support of this statement, to
: counteract all the fifth amendments being pled (Byron copped not only the
: fifth amendment, but several others as well)... I was in Canada last
: year, where the age of consent is 14, and I saw a couple of strippers at
: one club who looked barely that old. It seriously bothered me and I
: couldn't look...
I feel I must now state for the record that it is simply a
coincidence that my vacation plans have changed to Vancouver and in
no way is related to the much more reasonable Canadian law makers.
lar...@nominex.com
b...@boog.orgy (Arthur Levesque) wrote:
> I figured SOMEBODY should post in support of this statement, to
> counteract all the fifth amendments being pled (Byron copped not only
> the fifth amendment, but several others as well)... I was in Canada
> last year, where the age of consent is 14, and I saw a couple of
> strippers at one club who looked barely that old. It seriously
> bothered me and I couldn't look...
Bet you a dollar that Byron and Brady and probably half the other sick
guys in the newsgroup just had this cross their minds" "Canada eh????
Hrm... Not TOO far for a road trip"
Larry
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Arthur Levesque
BS>...I was in Canada last year, where the age of consent is 14, and I
BS>saw a couple of strippers at one club who looked barely that old. It
BS>seriously bothered me and I couldn't look...
Larry Viezel (lar...@nominex.com) wrote:
LV>Bet you a dollar that Byron and Brady and probably half the other sick
LV>guys in the newsgroup
...and some sick gals...
LV>just had this cross their minds" "Canada eh???? Hrm... Not TOO far
LV>for a road trip"
Well, let's see how long it is until they organize a Canadian Con...
Nad is Dog
Nad and Richard, Bawdy Caste show
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/08-22/trixie-would-have-been-a-better
-picture-if-taken-from-the-floor.JPG
Melo, Bawdy Caste show
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/04-03tacky/small/DCP04891.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/04-03tacky/small/DCP04889.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/04-03tacky/small/DCP04892.JPG
Nad, Under Sedation show
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/sac/05-08/small/DCP05235.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/sac/05-08/small/DCP05236.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/sac/05-08/small/DCP05237.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/sac/05-08/small/DCP05238.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/sac/05-08/small/DCP05239.JPG
Steve and Friend, Bawdy Caste show
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/06-05/small/DCP05624.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/06-05/small/DCP05627.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/06-05/small/DCP05629.JPG
Gregg and Nad, Bawdy Caste show
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/10-24/gragg-nad-trixie-roxbury-boys.J
PG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/10-24/gragg-nad-trixie2.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/10-24/gragg-nad-trixie.JPG
Miguel, Barely Legal show
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/barelylegal/kabuki06-12/small/DCP0577
3.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/barelylegal/kabuki06-12/small/DCP0577
6.JPG
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/barelylegal/kabuki06-12/small/DCP0577
7.JPG
Jason, Cosmic Light show
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/cosmiclight/04-24/trixie1.JPG
But despite the fun of a male Trixie, my vote is still for the
frighteningly young-looking (but legal) trixie, Heidi... yeah we're
all going to hell for thinking about Heidi while having sex with
someone else. Or is it just me.... nah...
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/topanga/trixie-heidi1.jpg
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/topanga/trixie-heidi2.jpg
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/topanga/trixie-heidi5.jpg
http://www.nadisdog.org/dan/pics/topanga/trixie-heidi7.jpg
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"Nad is Dog"
Barely Legal, SF/OakLAND, CA
www.nadisdog.org
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VTC <v...@thezenroom.com> wrote in article
<vtc-ya023580001...@news.ricochet.net>...
Brady Ferguson
>
> b...@boog.orgy (Arthur Levesque) wrote:
> > I figured SOMEBODY should post in support of this statement, to
> > counteract all the fifth amendments being pled (Byron copped not only
> > last year, where the age of consent is 14, and I saw a couple of
> > strippers at one club who looked barely that old. It seriously
> > bothered me and I couldn't look...
>
> Hrm... Not TOO far for a road trip"
Ding-ding-ding-ding,,,, we have a winner here!!!
-Brady
Red Di516
This is big peeve of mine...they go up there in a great costume and then, it's
like stage fright no audience contact, nothin'
And then those that do "strip" have no real clue or haven't practiced so it
looks forced, no fun=bad performance..at least I think so.a bit
Dawn
NYC Cast
Dawn (NYC Columbia)
(Steps off soap box, to a thunderous onset of applause..)
Red Di516
>asses off to get together the show,when a person comes and
>doesnt know our
>blocking , it poses a problem,
However, my next point would be (UNO) it was TRIXIE. Usually if it's one
person doing it and involved in it THEN there's a good chance that person,
offering to help a cast out in need of a Trixie, also note they were WEARING a
costume, might...just maybe know the part. But hey I was just using common
sense.
I can remember a bunch of times in the NYC cast when we were short-handed and
sometimes we had people from other casts visiting so we asked if they wouldn't
mind helping out. And other times we were just screwed and happened to see
some who HAD on a really good costume and you know what we asked them to help
us out and "fill" in. IT didn't always work out, but those people almost
always came back ....just in case.
And once again I do believe that the whole point was to some degree audience
participation. ANd what better way then to involve the audience in the actual
performance..
My $1's worth, NYC inflation is a killer.
Red Di516
>good as you think it is, dont judge someone elses
My aren't we a little hostile, maybe it's just the other way around or was it
your cast that started this whole "can of worms"?
Just axin', wouldn't want to catch an attitude or anythin, ya know being from
NY & all.
But maybe you should just chill out and try HAVING some FUN for a change,
sounds like someone should have a "stick-us remove-us" procedure . Just a
thought...