Frank's Red Triangle
Holly and Ken
Hey all!!
Whilst eating at a restaurant, my boyfriend had a bottle of Bass Ale to
drink. I noticed a red triangle on the bottle with the printing
under-neath it saying "England's First Registered Trademark". I
immediately scoured my brain and the image of Frank in the scrubs came
to mind.
While it is just a coincidence (95% sure!), I just thought I'd let you
kind folk of Rocky casts everywhere know about this little tidbit!
Maybe it's just Sue Blane's tribute to England? Who knows.....Only
the Shadow knows (and he's drinking the ale, get it?) Ha Ha Ha!!!
Holly :)
James M. Curran
In <<3196F8...@enter.net>>,
>Maybe it's just Sue Blane's tribute to England? Who knows.....Only
>the Shadow knows (and he's drinking the ale, get it?) Ha Ha Ha!!!
Ok, so maybe this is a bit more obscure than the identity of "Ike,"
but it still goes to show how socially unaware the youth of today
is....
Frank triangle isn't red, it's pink. In the days before World War II,
before the Nazis started shipping there "undisirables" (Jews, Gays,
Gypsies) off to concentration camps, they were ordered to identitfy
themselves in public. Jews had to wear a yellow "Star of David",
while gays had to wear a pink triangle. (I've never found out what
the gypsies had to wear, but I think it was a different colored
triangle)
Truth,
James
vl2...@cnsvax.albany.edu
James, as lovely as your theory is, there are two small flaws in it (no its not
the Dr. Scott is/isn't a nazi thing again, we've already been through that)
1) The trangle is facing the opposite way that the gay symbol is facing.
2) I thought it was red. Which was the big argument last time this SAME
DAMN THING CAME UP!!!!
Now I am not saying you are wrong and I am not saying Holly is wrong either.
But I will say that her idea is a fresh new breath of air in things. It was
never explicitly stated in the movie what he was wearing the triange for.
Quite frankly (damn that was a bad one) I like the "new" reason better.
-The world may never know
-Vamp
ObSideNote: I can't remember the guys name, but during Frank tryouts (or
at least I think they were) at C35 I saw the BEST costume gag ever. It
totally summed up what every first time performer goes thru on their first
night when they realize that they don't have a full costume. The guy
trying out (joe I think) didn't have a green smock. SO he took a pink bed
sheet, cut holes in it for the arms, and viola insta-smock. And what does he
do about the color. Simple. He wrote GREEN on a piece of paper and taped it
to the front.
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what's in a name? a rose by any other name...
> Frank triangle isn't red, it's pink. In the days before World War II,
> before the Nazis started shipping there "undisirables" (Jews, Gays,
> Gypsies) off to concentration camps, they were ordered to identitfy
> themselves in public. Jews had to wear a yellow "Star of David",
> while gays had to wear a pink triangle. (I've never found out what
> the gypsies had to wear, but I think it was a different colored
> triangle)
> James
So... Frank bears the symbol of a concentration camp inmate. He also
knows that the middle-American Dr. Scott is actually Dr. Von Scott,
and speaks of having known him before.
Since it's never established exactly how long Frank has been on Earth
trying to accomplish his mission, and he is (after all) an alien, might he
not have been imprisoned in the camps...under the command of his rival
Everett von Scott? It would explain his incredible anger at discovering
that Brad and Janet know him, and the glee he takes in tormenting him.
It would also explain why Doctor Scott's fawning over Riff Raff after
he kills Frank - heck, Riff's even blonde and blue eyed - and that
comment that "society must be protected" from people like Frank.
the long-haired linecraefter (and ponderer) of 12th Street,
jason
ps: welcome back, p7a77. :)
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Shereen
I'm affraid I have to agree with the "pink triangle" theory. It
really doesn't matter which direction the point faces, the symbol is the
same. I also read that the originals were red in NAZI Germany. I think
this is really a display of his sexuality. It is also there to show
another layer of conflict between Dr. VON Scott and Frank.
Or I could be completely wrong! =)
----Shereen
Arthur Levesque
James>before the Nazis started shipping there "undisirables" ... off to
James>concentration camps, they were ordered to identitfy themselves in
James>public. Jews had to wear a yellow "Star of David", while gays had
James>to wear a pink triangle...
Weren't lesbians given black triangles?
a rose by any other name (unse...@warwick.net) wrote:
Rose>Frank bears the symbol of a concentration camp inmate. He also knows
Rose>that ... Dr. Scott is actually Dr. Von Scott, and speaks of having
Rose>known him before ...might he not have been imprisoned in the camps
Rose>under the command of his rival Everett von Scott? [snip]
Dr. Scott: "Frank-N-Furter! We meet at last!!" (Obviously they
hadn't met before)
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nmg
No, I think Frank's triangle is red [not pink]. Red, I've heard,
represents bisexuality [as opposed to pink and homosexuality]. Makes
sense for Frank...
Crim: And some persuasion.
"The BISEXUAL persuasion!!"
Whether the ale people know this, yep, you'd have to ask the Shadow on
that one. ;)
YFH,
[Alsation Hound!...heh heh heh]
Deener
Sage4711
Guys....
ITS A TRIANGLE!!!! there really is no need for all of this. On some prints
it might look red, on some it might look pink...hell it could be blue and
we dont know that!!!
Everyone is analyzing this WAY too much!!
The almighty cyst closer girl
Lauren
what's in a name? a rose by any other name...
In article <4ncdq5$k...@news2.cais.com>, baks...@nicom.com (Arthur
Levesque) wrote:
> a rose by any other name (unse...@warwick.net) wrote:
> Rose>Frank bears the symbol of a concentration camp inmate. He also knows
> Rose>that ... Dr. Scott is actually Dr. Von Scott, and speaks of having
> Rose>known him before ...might he not have been imprisoned in the camps
> Rose>under the command of his rival Everett von Scott? [snip]
>
> Dr. Scott: "Frank-N-Furter! We meet at last!!" (Obviously they
> hadn't met before)
Perhaps "command' was too ambiguous. I was thinking more under the
orders of von Scott...perhaps to keep Frank's research from overshadowing his
own. (What was Frank doing in Europe? Well...he does speak French.)
Magienoire
In article <4ncdq5$k...@news2.cais.com> baks...@nicom.com (Arthur Levesque) writes:
>From: baks...@nicom.com (Arthur Levesque)
>Subject: Re: Frank's Red Triangle
>Date: 15 May 1996 11:05:41 GMT
>James>before the Nazis started shipping there "undisirables" ... off to
>James>concentration camps, they were ordered to identitfy themselves in
>James>public. Jews had to wear a yellow "Star of David", while gays had
>James>to wear a pink triangle...
> Weren't lesbians given black triangles?
>a rose by any other name (unse...@warwick.net) wrote:
>Rose>Frank bears the symbol of a concentration camp inmate. He also knows
>Rose>that ... Dr. Scott is actually Dr. Von Scott, and speaks of having
>Rose>known him before ...might he not have been imprisoned in the camps
>Rose>under the command of his rival Everett von Scott? [snip]
> Dr. Scott: "Frank-N-Furter! We meet at last!!" (Obviously they
>hadn't met before)
Maybe he was just popular at the concentration camp ;) I'm sure he would have
had QUITE a reputation, hehe ;) Dr. Scott had never actually met him, just
have heard of him...
Barbara (high priestess of the Church of Frank, Rooster, and Burt Schnick,
friend of Bob Schmit, and thier dog Bubba Von Schnicky Poo, high priest of the
Church of Frank) :)
what's in a name? a rose by any other name...
In article <4ndd6c$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sage...@aol.com (Sage4711)
wrote:
>
> Everyone is analyzing this WAY too much!!
And enjoying themselves doing it. So what?
> The almighty cyst closer girl
> Lauren
Is that "closer" as in one who closes, or as in nearer to?
the long-haired linecraefter of 12th street,
jason
Rayven68
Every one seems to be WRONG!
At the 15th anniversary I/we were talking to Richard O'Brian,a nd he
explained a few things... One being the RED triangle. Something happened
to the smock they were to use on the set, someone RAN to a local Doctor's
office and borrowed/bought a radiologist's smock. The triangle was on it
to gegin with, No known reason.
Another fact was in one publicity photo with Riff Raff in Frank's chair
you see and egg sitting on the bottom of the place where the legs meet.
Richard had his son ( i believe he said son, might be a nephew) on the set
and they had an Easter egg hunt around Easter time. The egg was
overlooked.
So there...
Shereen
Rayven68 wrote:
>
> Every one seems to be WRONG!
No one is wrong! It just like interpreting literature...everyone
gives a good guess. You have to have a reason to make the guess. My
feeling is that everyone has a valid point. Intensional or not, it is a
little detail that adds to the movie. Please, I'd like to hear some more
ideas on the matter. Some of the explanations have been pretty
interesting so far! :)
----Shereen
nmg
On Sun, 19 May 1996, Shereen wrote:
> Rayven68 wrote:
> > Every one seems to be WRONG!
>
> No one is wrong! It just like interpreting literature...everyone
>>snip<<
> little detail that adds to the movie. Please, I'd like to hear some more
> ideas on the matter. Some of the explanations have been pretty
> interesting so far! :)
>
> ----Shereen
Well, you asked for it... >:) I already posted and said that red
triangles stand for 'bisexual', I think, the way pink ones stand for
'homosexual'. However, I forgot to overanalyze previously the fact
that on FNF's gown, the point of the triangle is at the top. Well,
all you FNF-Dr. Scott conspiracy fans, :) I have now remembered that
Hitler had the triangles sewn on point up, also, and now gays, etc.,
wear them point down to sort of mock that... it is the way Hitler
labelled them [with the triangle], but turned upside down. SO...
interesting that FNF wears it the way Hitler woulda had him wearing
it. Or maybe that's the way gays have always worn their triangles in
England [maybe they never bothered to turn 'em upside over there].
At any rate... FNF and Dr. Scott are 'rival scientists', they hadn't
met in person before ['ve meet at last'], and both knew at least
something ['a great deal about a lot of things'...but only by virtue
of Eddie being his nephew?! and 'or should I say Dr. VON Scott?'...
which Dr. Scott quickly passes off as nothing] about the other.
But of course, if Rayven68 heard it straight from O'Brien...
YFH and storehouse of WAY too much useless information,
Deener
Robert Plafta
Of course, we probably do not need to discuss the, er, cum stain on his
other shoulder.......wonder who shot that one?
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Shereen
Robert Plafta wrote:
>
> Of course, we probably do not need to discuss the, er, cum stain on his
> other shoulder.......wonder who shot that one?
I shot it silly! Ok, so I wasn't born. Maybe it was another NAZI,
hey a bisexual NAZI....
F0kNGrUvEn
Just another thought, but let say that the theory with the concentration
camps was reasonable, also include the number--4711,,,hmm, ring a bell, ya
it's a tatoo and a number, that's what they did to the camp's prisoners,
just to get you guys going on that..
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F0kNGrUvEn (f0kng...@aol.com) wrote:
FG>Just another thought, but let say that the theory with the
FG>concentration camps was reasonable...
I don't believe that theory m'self, but I'll assume it for the sake
of argument.
FG>also include the number--4711,,,hmm, ring a bell, ya it's a tatoo and
FG>a number, that's what they did to the camp's prisoners,
Except (1) they tattooed the prisoners' arms, not their thighs, and
(2) I believe they used seven or eight digit numbers.
4711 is a cologne.
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