Rocky Newspaper Question Answered
Cosmo's Factory
some time with friends in a library researching the newspaper used in
Rocky Horror. And we found it. Big thanks to KevinJB and Nathan from
Rocky Radio for their help.
Photo's of the newspaper here--> http://cosmosfactory.org/
- Cosmo
Bill, Unkie Bill, hey buddy you cant sleep here move it along, etc
How fucking cool is that !?! I always assume the newspaper was just a
prop, something created for the film!
Cos, you rule the Rocky Horror realme!
Bill
Sean Twomey
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looks like he's giving people the finger!
-D
dahv...@gmail.com
move it along, etc" <RHPSBertSchn...@aol.com> wrote:
> How fucking cool is that !?! I always assume the newspaper was just a prop, something created for the film!
It WAS something created for the film. They just modified the paper
from that particular date slightly. Read this from
http://www.rockyhorror.org/faq/faqframe/m-eatr.html:
In the July 1987 issue of Shoptalk in answer to the trivia question
"What is the actual headline of 'The Plain Dealer' used in the film?",
it says: "'6 BIG OHIO UTILITIES SEEKING RATE BOOSTS' The paper was a
mock-up, and used for its headline, for some unknown reason, a
variation of a non-headline front page article published on October 7,
1974 (exactly two weeks before RHPS began filming), whose title was
"'6 OHIO UTILITIES SEEK INCREASES.'"
-D
Cosmo's Factory
book there is a print of a note where it says "They use the wrong
paper".
Wouldn't it say something like "They made the wrong paper?". It seems
hard to imagine that they would get a newspaper, from across the
world,
take the articles word for word, and each picture, Re-lay them out,
resize the pics, print one copy, just for her to use. Or would they
take a
newspaper from across the world and just use it.
The Plain Dealer told me that earlier editions are always variations
of the evening edition. Which is what that one is, it's a word for
word, picture for picture
variation of the evening edition.
Now, I am on a quest to find the actual one. Back to Cleveland I go !
- Jim
> > How fucking cool is that !?! I always assume the newspaper was just a prop, something created for the film!
>
> It WAS something created for the film. They just modified the paper
> from that particular date slightly. Read this fromhttp://www.rockyhorror.org/faq/faqframe/m-eatr.html:
dahv...@gmail.com
> Where is that actually said that they mocked it up? In the Henkin
> book there is a print of a note where it says "They use the wrong
> paper".
> Wouldn't it say something like "They made the wrong paper?". It seems
> hard to imagine that they would get a newspaper, from across the
> world,
> take the articles word for word, and each picture, Re-lay them out,
> resize the pics, print one copy, just for her to use. Or would they
> take a
> newspaper from across the world and just use it.
>
> The Plain Dealer told me that earlier editions are always variations
> of the evening edition. Which is what that one is, it's a word for
> word, picture for picture
> variation of the evening edition.
That might be the case, but my guess would be that whomever created
the Rocky paper probably just switched some headlines around. It's not
uncommon for a movie studios' props department to do things like that.
For instance, I think that pic of Henry Kissinger is in the same place
on the page.
-D
Rocky Radio
Richard (Part 4 @ 3:24):
"The Plain Dealer was chosen because of it's acceptability with the
Midwest. Immediate kind of association would be made."
Given that, I would say it's the Final Edition and not a mock-up.
Having been there when it was found (with Cosmo and KevJB) we found it
NOT by that headline, but by the other headlines we could read from
the movie still, which are identical.
Kev J.B.
The paper is not a mock-up. The newspaper in the film is either a
morning edition of that day or a nationally-distributed edition. The
PD puts out several different editions, there is a morning run and
there are different editions for different counties in Northern Ohio
and another edition that gets sent to other cities and states.
Unfortunately, the only editions that are archived are the Final
Editions.
The paper in the film is not a mock-up, it's just not the Final
Edition that is in the PD archives.
Who is the person saying it's a mock-up? Just because something is in
the FAQ does not make it a fact.
The PD archives are a mile down the road from me one direction and the
PD main offices are two milesaway from me in the other direction. I
know a lot of people who work for the PD. I think the PD is a more
credible source, that's just me I guess. I've spoken with two people
who work in the archives and they believe that it's a national
edition, which would likely have different content throught the entire
periodical.
(Why would they go through so much trouble to alter something that is
barely visible when they didn't have money for anything else?)
--Kev J.B.
Rocky Radio
paper by the "6 Big" headline. Didn't we find it from the "PD Poker
Game" across the top, which was prevalent on many of the PD archived
papers from that year.
If it was a mock-up, only that headline would
be correct, but the entire front page of that paper is accurate (the
film version) to what we found.
With Richard basing it in Ohio
(listen to the Richard interview again if you have doubts) I have NO
doubt that the film version of the paper is, in fact, the Early
Edition.
Just like the PD told us when we were there.
Cosmo's Factory
comment because in 1995, I beat Jason Pfaff (FAQ author)
in Rocky Trivia at the home of Jason & Michelle Montgomery. The
question I beat him on was the name of the paper. He didn't
know it and I did.
That ranks up there on my top 10 of favorite Rocky things. Along with
the following;
1. Lou Adler telling me "Yeah, I know who you are".
2. El Presidente Award
3. Boss Award
4. Beating Jason Pfaff at trivia
5. Seeing Kevin Sing in Vegas
6. Ashton Kutcher admiring my cock in Vegas.
7. Not ***** that girl in ***** because ***** ***** ***** *****
*****. And then she went to ***** *****, and ***** bragged about it.
Guess *****'s ***** is alot ***** than mine.
8. Riding in a limo with people who did acid in Vegas.
9. The Rocky Radio Richard Interview.
10. Getting stoned with Tom ***** and Bill ***** in The Hotel from
Hell in Allentown. And seeing ****** unhook the fire alarm.
Now back to the FAQ:
I will *never* consider that document to be valid until you remove
inside jokes from it. If you want it to be taken seriously treat it
seriously.
(ie. http://www.rockyhorror.org/faq/faqframe/s-batr.html#1) It might
as well say "$2.50 Cheap" on it. No offense to Ruth I know you worked
on both of those. It's like trusting a someone that says "Psych!"
Ok, now to start a new thread, anyone else have a top 10 ?
- Cosmo
PS Rubbish. That's a word that needs to come back !
dahv...@gmail.com
> Rubbish.
>
> The paper is not a mock-up. The newspaper in the film is either a
> morning edition of that day or a nationally-distributed edition. The
> PD puts out several different editions, there is a morning run and
> there are different editions for different counties in Northern Ohio
> and another edition that gets sent to other cities and states.
> Unfortunately, the only editions that are archived are the Final
> Editions.
>
> The paper in the film is not a mock-up, it's just not the Final
> Edition that is in the PD archives.
> Who is the person saying it's a mock-up? Just because something is in
> the FAQ does not make it a fact.
>
> The PD archives are a mile down the road from me one direction and the
> PD main offices are two milesaway from me in the other direction. I
> know a lot of people who work for the PD. I think the PD is a more
> credible source, that's just me I guess. I've spoken with two people
> who work in the archives and they believe that it's a national
> edition, which would likely have different content throught the entire
> periodical.
>
> (Why would they go through so much trouble to alter something that is
> barely visible when they didn't have money for anything else?)
Like I said, it's only my guess. If the paper is an actual paper and
not a mock-up, I can't wait to see it when you find it!
-D
Rocky Radio
>
> Like I said, it's only my guess. If the paper is an actual paper and
> not a mock-up, I can't wait to see it when you find it!
>
> -D
I do believe that is what this NG topic was regarding. We did find
the paper used. The stories are the same as well as the same
headlines for those stories. No confusion there.
- Summers
Larry Viezel
awesome find and I am glad that its now on a website for everyone to
read. Very neat. Its stull like this that I love about Rocky Horror
history. Finds like this one awe awesome.
I'm willing to bet that the actualy used the paper on the set. While
many prop departments would mock up a paper, I can't imagine it having
been done for Rocky and for them to go out of their way to make it
different - especially considering all the real magazines and
advertisements they used to make the Denton Affair.
I don't have the book in front of me, but I think in Cosmic Light, Jim
Whittaker goes on to talk about the newspaper being an evening edition
as well. I vaguely remember him saying that they used a mock up in the
film because of the rain making the newsprint run. But again, I'd
sooner imagine just getting a few copies of the paper rather than
going through the effort of making a mockup and changing the
headlines. And if they did make a mock up, why wouldn't they throw in
inside jokes like they did witrh Brad and Janet's statements? Besides,
Jim Whittaker said it was a wrench not a slingshot - I don't know how
relaible his sources were.
I could be wrong but I beleive Megan from Vegas has a copy of the
front page she used when she played Janet.
Once again, go kevin and cosmo on oyur efforts. I give them a huge
thumbs up.
dahv...@gmail.com
Okay, I think you're missing what I'm saying here. To recap... either:
1) You found the final edition of the paper (with the same date as the
one mentioned in the FAQ, October 7, 1974, mind you), and that the
evening edition from the same day has a different headline, but you
weren't able to find it because it's not available in the archives...
which means you did not find THE paper, but rather a different edition
from the same date...
-or-
2) My guess before was that it's a mock-up, but looking at the
comparison pics on Cosmo's Factory (good work on putting those
together, BTW), it seems many of the headlines are still different
from the actual paper... I'm in agreement now, it would be a lot of
trouble to go though that they probably didn't do. In any case, it's
still not the same edition you found.
In other words, it is the closest thing you could find (the same date,
different edition, according to you)... which is awesome in its own
right. What I was basically saying was, finding the same edition on
the same date (THE paper used) would be a great thing... something you
would know better than I (knowing people from the PD) if it's even
possible.
-D
Kev J.B.
claims they have access to different editions and can re-print an
entire issue.
Only problem is, they want an arm, a leg, a spleen, pancreas and full
set of baby teeth to do it and right now I'm looking to start selling
things just to pay my bills. I won't be able to afford getting this
done for a while, but I eventually will.
--K