When was Ripley impregnated?
Tim Mayben
Is the unseen story between Aliens and Alien 3 that a facehugger was in the
Sulaco with her, Newt, Bishop's top half, and Hicks? Where did it come from?
The stowaway queen? If not, when did Ripley get impregnated with the queen
embryo? Where did the facehugger that got the dog (on Fiorina 161) come
from? I thought they died once they accomplished their main function
(impregnation), so it must have been a different one.
Also, according the Alien (the book), Kane had indentations in his face
after the facehugger fell off and died. I think this was mentioned in the
movie as well; does anyone remember?
I read the following at http://cse.unl.edu/~jraises/aliens/cut.htm (scenes
cut from the movies):
FILMED ??? A scene when the EEV crashes and the Newt's cryogenic unit is
flooded with water and she drowns. It was in the script, but it is not known
whether this scene was shot.
It is rumored that Newt was the first to be facehugged when the alien got
onboard the EEV. Because she drowned the fetus which was partially developed
(could explain why the chestburster was larger and more developed than in
the 2 other movies) and couldn't exist in this host any more.
This fetus then came out of Newt through her throat and went to the
cryo-chamber of Ripley. This would explain the acid burns on two of the
cryo-chambers as seen in the movie. The fetus then entered Ripley by her
throat.
This would also explain the reason why Ripley had a very soar throat during
the first parts of the movie. The source for this rumor is the Dark Horse
Comic "Alien 3 movie adaptation".
According to PR-people of that Comic this story was the comic version of the
movie was held strictly to it's original script/contents. Because the comic
was released a few months prior to the movie release this change in
script/direction would not be seen in the comic.
Is this info correct?
Anonymous
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:54:18 -0600, "Tim Mayben" <tma...@flash.net>
wrote:
>It is rumored that Newt was the first to be facehugged when the alien got
>onboard the EEV.
It's no rumor. You can plainly see the neckline on Newt's T-shirt in
the X-ray during the opening scenes (note: Hicks was bandaged and
shirtless, Ripley was wearing a neckless tank-top, and Bishop would
have been ignored so it WAS Newt).
>Because she drowned the fetus which was partially developed
>(could explain why the chestburster was larger and more developed than in
>the 2 other movies) and couldn't exist in this host any more.
>This fetus then came out of Newt through her throat and went to the
>cryo-chamber of Ripley. This would explain the acid burns on two of the
>cryo-chambers as seen in the movie.
I watched that movie like the Zapruder film and I only saw acid burns
on Newt's tube (which Clemens later talks about).
> The fetus then entered Ripley by her
>throat.
>This would also explain the reason why Ripley had a very soar throat during
>the first parts of the movie. The source for this rumor is the Dark Horse
>Comic "Alien 3 movie adaptation".
>According to PR-people of that Comic this story was the comic version of the
>movie was held strictly to it's original script/contents. Because the comic
>was released a few months prior to the movie release this change in
>script/direction would not be seen in the comic.
>
>Is this info correct?
Yes, essentially. Too bad so few people accept it when so much
evidence supports it.
Aurelian
The whole thrust of this thread makes complete sense to me except for one
question- If the fetus is developed enough to crawl out of Newt's throat,
burn through her cryotube, crawl to Ripley's, burn into it, pry open
Ripley's mouth and crawl into her chest, it seems quite mobile and fully
developed. Relying on Ripley as a host seems redundant to me I guess. Well,
I'm not a chestburster, so I guess I'll never know.
Aurelian
Michael Rush
Tim Mayben <tma...@flash.net> writes
>Also, according the Alien (the book), Kane had indentations in his face
>after the facehugger fell off and died. I think this was mentioned in the
>movie as well; does anyone remember?
Well, you can see what appears to be a row of dents around Kane's face
while he's still on the bed.
Theory (and that's all it is): they tried to get Kane's 'hugger off,
consequently it gripped tighter. Ripley was in peaceful cryosleep, so
the facehugger was relatively relaxed. :/
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Anonymous
I see your point, but I still thinks it's the most likely scenario
given the evidence.
BTW, it wouldn't have had to burn its way into Ripley tube. the
canopy was already broken.
Monogaman
One thought on the Newt impregnation theory. If this really happened, then
wouldn't it be possible to clone Newt as well (since she was already "infected"
by the chestburster). She would possess her memories (like Ripley). It is
quite possible that Clemmens (for documentation purposes) took blood samples
from Newt and Hicks bodies before Ripley suggested cremating them.
Interestingly, before Sigourney Weaver agreed to make AR, the initial storyline
involved a cloned Newt also. Maybe that would be a nice surprise for Newt fans
in Alien 5. It really makes no difference to me.
Adam Perkins
In article <ullh.13$dd1.5...@newstest.itd.umich.edu>, "Aurelian"
<ad...@engine.umich.edu!!> wrote:
> The whole thrust of this thread makes complete sense to me except for one
> question- If the fetus is developed enough to crawl out of Newt's throat,
> burn through her cryotube, crawl to Ripley's, burn into it, pry open
> Ripley's mouth and crawl into her chest, it seems quite mobile and fully
> developed. Relying on Ripley as a host seems redundant to me I guess. Well,
> I'm not a chestburster, so I guess I'll never know.
>
> Aurelian
Relying on Ripley, as in not impregnating Newt, or someone else? Possible
answers --
1) Newt was a child, and the Alien probably couldn't come to full
gestation in her tiny chest cavity.
2) Hicks was unhealthy at best.
3) Bishop was an android.
Adam
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alien
Tim Mayben wrote:
> Is the unseen story between Aliens and Alien 3 that a facehugger was
> in the
> Sulaco with her, Newt, Bishop's top half, and Hicks? Where did it come
> from?
> The stowaway queen? If not, when did Ripley get impregnated with the
> queen
> embryo? Where did the facehugger that got the dog (on Fiorina 161)
> come
> from? I thought they died once they accomplished their main function
> (impregnation), so it must have been a different one.
The mysterious egg on the Sulaco was a big issue way back then. The
fact of the matter is, they needed a way to get the story going and that
is all they could come up with. It can be explained, there were many
theories, but none of the explanations are good. I believe the reason
Ripley didn't drown was the facehugger. With it stuck to her, water
couldn't fill her lungs. But I am passed trying to explain Alien3.
> FILMED ??? A scene when the EEV crashes and the Newt's cryogenic unit
> is
> flooded with water and she drowns. It was in the script, but it is not
> known
> whether this scene was shot.
> It is rumored that Newt was the first to be facehugged when the alien
> got
> onboard the EEV. Because she drowned the fetus which was partially
> developed
> (could explain why the chestburster was larger and more developed than
> in
> the 2 other movies) and couldn't exist in this host any more.
> This fetus then came out of Newt through her throat and went to the
> cryo-chamber of Ripley. This would explain the acid burns on two of
> the
> cryo-chambers as seen in the movie. The fetus then entered Ripley by
> her
> throat.
> This would also explain the reason why Ripley had a very soar throat
> during
> the first parts of the movie. The source for this rumor is the Dark
> Horse
> Comic "Alien 3 movie adaptation".
> According to PR-people of that Comic this story was the comic version
> of the
> movie was held strictly to it's original script/contents. Because the
> comic
> was released a few months prior to the movie release this change in
> script/direction would not be seen in the comic.
>
> Is this info correct?
If it is, I'm glad they left it out. What a bad idea!
Martin Howe
Monogaman wrote in message
<19971204150...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>..wouldn't it be possible to clone Newt as well
>..Maybe that would be a nice surprise for Newt fans in Alien 5.
Unless they can clone Carrie Hehn (sp?) that will unfortunately not happen;
she died a few years back, so I heard. Can anyone confirm this?
Martin
Chris Pierson
In article <66767o$am5$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>,
Might you be confusing her with Heather Rourke (sp?), the little blonde
girl from the Poltergeist films?
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Martin Howe wrote:
> Unless they can clone Carrie Hehn (sp?) that will unfortunately not
> happen;
> she died a few years back, so I heard. Can anyone confirm this?
I hope she's not reading this, cuz she's not dead :-)
This is what I found (at http://www.thursdayschild.org/carrie2.htm)
CARRIE HENN (given name: Caroline Marie Henn) born May 7, 1976, Panama
City, Florida
film credit: (1986) character: Newt (Rebecca Jordan)
future: Carrie has no plans to resume acting, and is presently attending
college studying to become a teacher.
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Mike Jozic
Tim Mayben (tma...@flash.net) wrote:
: Is the unseen story between Aliens and Alien 3 that a facehugger was in the
: Sulaco with her, Newt, Bishop's top half, and Hicks? Where did it come from?
: The stowaway queen? If not, when did Ripley get impregnated with the queen
: embryo? Where did the facehugger that got the dog (on Fiorina 161) come
: from? I thought they died once they accomplished their main function
: (impregnation), so it must have been a different one.
The facehugger that got the dog was most likely the same facehugger that
impregnated Ripley and cut itself while trying to get into Newt's
cryo-tube. That's how the electrical fire was started. It was trying to
pry the tube open, the glass cracked, it was cut and acid spilled down
the side of the tube onto the floor.
As to how it can manage this? The role-playing game of the same name
from Leading Edge Games claimed that facehuggers are not limited to one
embryo. This may be per-host, it may not be. Remember, the only time
we've ever seen a facehugger die of natural causes was in ALIEN. What can
be taken for granted, is the fact that little is known about the Alien and it's
species, so we're always discovering something new that it could do.
Like sticking to ceilings or swimming after pirates. :)
: Also, according the Alien (the book), Kane had indentations in his face
: after the facehugger fell off and died. I think this was mentioned in the
: movie as well; does anyone remember?
That doesn't mean that they won't eventually go away. If you'll
remember, when they were all eating diner later on, Kane's face was
fine. The indentations were a result of having constant pressure applied
to certain areas of his face, and once it was gone, it eventually evened out.
: FILMED ??? A scene when the EEV crashes and the Newt's cryogenic unit is
: flooded with water and she drowns. It was in the script, but it is not known
: whether this scene was shot.
I have the making of ALIEN3, and there is a scene where they show Newt's
body kind of floating in the tube. It shifts slowly as if submerged.
: It is rumored that Newt was the first to be facehugged when the alien got
: onboard the EEV.
See my above comments.
: Because she drowned the fetus which was partially developed
: (could explain why the chestburster was larger and more developed than in
: the 2 other movies) and couldn't exist in this host any more.
: This fetus then came out of Newt through her throat and went to the
: cryo-chamber of Ripley. This would explain the acid burns on two of the
: cryo-chambers as seen in the movie. The fetus then entered Ripley by her
: throat.
: This would also explain the reason why Ripley had a very soar throat during
: the first parts of the movie. The source for this rumor is the Dark Horse
: Comic "Alien 3 movie adaptation".
: According to PR-people of that Comic this story was the comic version of the
: movie was held strictly to it's original script/contents. Because the comic
: was released a few months prior to the movie release this change in
: script/direction would not be seen in the comic.
: Is this info correct?
I saw the adaptation and gave up on it after seeing that very scene. I'm
thinking that someone out there (possibly even the Dark Horse folks -
remember, these are the people who held strong with THEIR version of
events concerning the Alien Series and where it went, waiting for Fox to
write off the third movie as a dream) probably wanted to make things a
little more simple and came up with this cockamamie idea of an alien
crawling out of one host to go into another. There are possibilities
with this, but until Fox and the films say otherwise, I'm sticking with
the simplest explanation.
TTFN!!!
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Alienfn
I think Ripley got impregnated by her agent who got her 16 million dollars for
doing the last two lousy films.
Anonymous
On 6 Dec 1997 17:58:09 GMT, ae...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Mike Jozic)
wrote:
>The facehugger that got the dog was most likely the same facehugger that
>impregnated Ripley
Newt, not Ripley. There's no getting around this...
>and cut itself while trying to get into Newt's
>cryo-tube. That's how the electrical fire was started. It was trying to
>pry the tube open, the glass cracked, it was cut and acid spilled down
>the side of the tube onto the floor.
I agree.
>As to how it can manage this? The role-playing game of the same name
>from Leading Edge Games claimed that facehuggers are not limited to one
>embryo. This may be per-host, it may not be. Remember, the only time
>we've ever seen a facehugger die of natural causes was in ALIEN. What can
>be taken for granted, is the fact that little is known about the Alien and it's
>species, so we're always discovering something new that it could do.
>Like sticking to ceilings or swimming after pirates. :)
I think there's a much tighter and simpler explanation:
Regular facehugger - 1 embryo (1 worker or drone)
Royal facehugger - 2 embryos (1 queen, 1 drone)
The one in Alien 3 was, according to this idea, a royal facehugger...
>I saw the adaptation and gave up on it after seeing that very scene. I'm
>thinking that someone out there (possibly even the Dark Horse folks -
>remember, these are the people who held strong with THEIR version of
>events concerning the Alien Series and where it went, waiting for Fox to
>write off the third movie as a dream) probably wanted to make things a
>little more simple and came up with this cockamamie idea of an alien
>crawling out of one host to go into another. There are possibilities
>with this, but until Fox and the films say otherwise, I'm sticking with
>the simplest explanation.
That IS the simplest explanation. Like it or not, Newt was the one
shown in the x-ray with the facehugger attached to her.
Monogaman
I strongly disagree that Newt was the one shown facehugged in the X-ray. You
claim there is a neckline of her t-shirt visible in the X-ray but this is not a
neckline, it is the facehugger's tail that is coiled around Ripley's neck (it'
coiled around twice just like on the facehugger victims in the other ALIEN
movies). If you examine it like I did (with my freeze frame on my widescreen
laser disc) you can clearly see that both coils are part of the facehugger
tail (i.e. ridges, etc.) Also, Ripley is shown to be waking up (the monitor
showing flashing red in the brain) which is an obvious sign that the facehugger
had broken open her tube and affected her cryosleep (you can also see the glass
on Ripley's cryotube shattered before the cryotubes are lowered into the EEV,
whereas Newt's glass is intact (if you freeze frame her cryotube which is the
last one lowered into the EEV).
Christopher Broz
Alienfn wrote:
> I think Ripley got impregnated by her agent who got her 16 million dollars for
> doing the last two lousy films.
Heh. Nice one. Way off the point, and pretty unecessary within the context of
the thread.
chris
MAColaizzi
I'm not 100% sure, but the scene in the EEV at the beginning of
ALIEN 3 shows some small shadow or movement near Ripley's
pod. Could this be the facehugger than impregnated her?
nafr...@charter.net
> Is the unseen story between Aliens and Alien 3 that a facehugger was in the
> Sulaco with her, Newt, Bishop's top half, and Hicks? Where did it come from?
> The stowaway queen? If not, when did Ripley get impregnated with the queen
> embryo? Where did the facehugger that got the dog (on Fiorina 161) come
> from? I thought they died once they accomplished their main function
> (impregnation), so it must have been a different one.
>
> after the facehugger fell off and died. I think this was mentioned in the
> movie as well; does anyone remember?
>
> cut from the movies):
>
> flooded with water and she drowns. It was in the script, but it is not known
> whether this scene was shot.
> the 2 other movies) and couldn't exist in this host any more.
> This fetus then came out of Newt through her throat and went to the
> cryo-chamber of Ripley. This would explain the acid burns on two of the
> cryo-chambers as seen in the movie. The fetus then entered Ripley by her
> throat.
> This would also explain the reason why Ripley had a very soar throat during
> the first parts of the movie. The source for this rumor is the Dark Horse
> Comic "Alien 3 movie adaptation".
> According to PR-people of that Comic this story was the comic version of the
> movie was held strictly to it's original script/contents. Because the comic
> was released a few months prior to the movie release this change in
> script/direction would not be seen in the comic.
>
> Is this info correct?