Was ripley really asleep for 57 years?
David
While watching aliens again, I noticed that the only mention of ripley
sleeping for 57 years was in the dream sequence. (I was in and out the
room while it was on, so I may have missed some later reference.)
But if it only happened in the dream, does that mean it was true?
John Bingham
d.tem...@nospam.eee.strath.ac.uk (David) wrote:
Well dreams often have a foundation based on real events. I've heard it
said that they're for processing the days events. Also if she was picked up
after a couple of weeks/months then they've been awfully busy setting up
the atmosphere processor/colony etc.
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In article <369585aa...@news.cc.strath.ac.uk>,
d.tem...@nospam.eee.strath.ac.uk (David) writes:
>
>But if it only happened in the dream, does that mean it was true?
>
It means that we don't have any evidence within the main cinema release version
of the film that this is true.
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StyxLethe
Yes, we have evidence in the non-theatrical release of A2 that Ripley
was assuredly in hypersleep for 57 years. In the special edition, note the
conversation between Ripley and Burke about Amanda McLaren (Ripley's
deceased daughter) who indeed died just two years before Ripley was
picked up in the kor systems. She was out there 57 years, 57 and a half
to be more exact. The dates and ages confirm this number.
While the dream sequence in the main theatrical version of A2 implies
that the amount of years could've been a fictoid of the dream, we later
do find that colonists have been on LV-426 for 20 years. And it takes
so long to construct things like the orbitting satellite station around Earth
and the atmosphere processor. Yes, we have inference and proof that
Ripley was out there 57 years from other sources than the dream.
A L I E N
imply she was asleep for 57 years, but who knows. Maybe we can get the
timeline closer to Blade runner after all, oops sorry.. broken record
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In article <19990107182031...@ng111.aol.com>, styx...@aol.com
(StyxLethe) writes:
>
> Yes, we have evidence in the non-theatrical release of A2 that Ripley
>was assuredly in hypersleep for 57 years. In the special edition, note the
>conversation between Ripley and Burke about Amanda McLaren (Ripley's
>deceased daughter) who indeed died just two years before Ripley was
>picked up in the kor systems. She was out there 57 years, 57 and a half
>to be more exact. The dates and ages confirm this number.
Does the non-theatrical release really count though?
Rob Durfee
(without time constraints). Anyways, even if you don't count it, it's
obvious that she was gone for a long time, due to the "shake and bake"
colony taking decades and Gateway station. Remember in the first Alien movie
they wore space suits, but in Aliens the atmosphere processor has obviously
been there long enough that the marines could walk around outside without
space suits.
Rob
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Wmvrrvrrmm
In article <776tfj$7rr$1...@denws02.mw.mediaone.net>, "Rob Durfee"
<rdu...@mediaone.net> writes:
>
>I would count it because its James Cameron preferred version of the movie
>(without time constraints). Anyways, even if you don't count it, it's
>obvious that she was gone for a long time, due to the "shake and bake"
>colony taking decades and Gateway station. Remember in the first Alien movie
>they wore space suits, but in Aliens the atmosphere processor has obviously
>been there long enough that the marines could walk around outside without
>space suits.
>
Well, we can divide the alien movies up into versions that the directors would
have shown without constraints and the versions that they have shown with
constraints.
Maybe each film has two versions, although Jeunet doesn't seem to have one for
his, although I'd like to see an adults cut of it that made Sigourney eager to
think about what she did in AR.
We can of course put over twenty years between Alien and Aliens, but just to be
bloody minded, it looks as if it's not easy to state that it was fifty seven
years, she might have dreamt up the wrong information, and it might have been
fifty six instead.
Dreams can be irrational things you know.
Ronnie Clark
than theatrical release, simply because that is what the director wanted to
show us, but was forced for various reasons to cut it. And since Cameron has
a great talent at writing epic films (albeit in tongue in cheek mode), he
tends to suffer a lot from studio editing that he wouldn't want.
Wmvrrvrrmm
In article <77afvc$pcv$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Ronnie Clark"
<Ne...@jeffffco.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> And since Cameron has
>a great talent at writing epic films (albeit in tongue in cheek mode), he
>tends to suffer a lot from studio editing that he wouldn't want.
In fact, most film director do.
Brian Pesti
Ronnie Clark wrote:
> I agree. I think the special edition is a much more valid version of Aliens
> than theatrical release, simply because that is what the director wanted to
> show us, but was forced for various reasons to cut it. And since Cameron has
> a great talent at writing epic films (albeit in tongue in cheek mode), he
> tends to suffer a lot from studio editing that he wouldn't want.
After being able to watch it this summer thanks to daarksun, I'd have to say
not all the cut scenes are essential, but as it stands they have more of a
cumulative impact.
The scenes I think aren't totally necessary but nice to see are...
- Hudson's bravado in the dropship.
- Hudson finding the hamster with an awkward cut back to Hicks walking past the
donut with no reaction to what was going on over the intercom with Hudson and
Vaszquez.
- The Jorden family discovering the derelict and facehugger.
- The second set of sentry guns in the tunnel [or hall - one or the other - one
set would've been enough or the Aliens coming from both sides at once].
The scenes that add a nice touch without interrupting the main story...
- The fake park and Ripley's daughter scene wiht Burke.
- Van Lewen's added dialogue doesn't hurt.
- The colony scene from the Hadley's Hope sign through the kid on the big wheel
riding past the Building Better worlds sign [it makes the Marines entry into
the ghost town more tense because you get to see Ops with the lights on and all
the inhabitants working].
- Ripley asking what Burke's interests are in all this.
- The extended Alien-like intro to the Sulacco hypersleep chamber
- Ripley's hesitation to enter the complex
- One set of sentry guns, not two
- The extended Ripley / Newt exchange about birth and the Aliens
- The Dwayne / Ellen exchange [it's short enough and I like the 'I got some
work to do' look on her face
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Brian Pesti
Ronnie Clark wrote:
> >- The Jorden family discovering the derelict and facehugger.
>
> This is my favourite scene in the Alien series! I think James Horner's
> scoring for the moment you see the derelict again
Yeah, I did like that. I also like the one bit of lightning that illuminates
the broken derelict like a haunted house on a hill.
I've read classical music reviewers give their two-cents worth on soundtracks
from notable soundtrack composers and they agree Goldsmith's Alien soundtrack
is very original [even though he himself didn't care for how it was edited for
the film: he wanted it even quieter [!] and they think Horner's is pretty lousy
and derivative. I like all four the soundtracks myself.
> is just the definition of
> the Alien saga. Okay, so Newt's scream is annoying....
I did like the way they mentioned how she learned how to move around the air
ducts playing tag wiht the other kids.
Her Dad looked like Rick Springfield though :-]
> Actually, it is interesting to compare discussion over director's cuts of
> Cameron films. As a fan of Cameron myself (even Titanic) it is quite
> intriguing to see cuts he has been forced to make, though ironically, the
> version of Titanic that made it to the cinemas, whilst being just under half
> the length of the script, IS the director's cut!
Yeah, at first I didn't care for T2 SE, but it grew on me and I think it's
added cut scenes flow even better than Aliens SE which seem a bit choppy in
parts. But the Aliens SE added scenes definitely make it seem like a different
film.
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Ronnie Clark
This is my favourite scene in the Alien series! I think James Horner's
scoring for the moment you see the derelict again is just the definition of
the Alien saga. Okay, so Newt's scream is annoying....
Actually, it is interesting to compare discussion over director's cuts of
Ronnie Clark
soundtracks
>from notable soundtrack composers and they agree Goldsmith's Alien
soundtrack
>is very original [even though he himself didn't care for how it was edited
for
>the film: he wanted it even quieter [!] and they think Horner's is pretty
lousy
>and derivative. I like all four the soundtracks myself.
Oh agree! A lot of the Aliens ST was based on Horner's earlier work on Star
Trek II (I am also a Horner fan), and in fact, the music for when Ripley
drives the APC to rescue Apone's team is an absolute dead ringer for the
first Kirk/ Khan battle sequence in ST2. And so too is the music as the drop
ship finally leaves the colony before it explodes. But the simple two
repeated notes theme as they discover the derelict is just so spooky! It
even sends shivers down my spine just to listen to it!
As for you T2 SE comments: I agree! Seem out of place when you're used to
watching the original, but then they grow on you. One thing that helps the
flow, too, in the T2 SE is that the cut sections have still retained
original picture quality, whereas the Aliens SE has several quality jumps
(which are infuriating during the conference around the colony map when they
briefly mention the sentry guns so often!!!!)
Thanks for your comments!
Ronnie
John Redman
opening title theme and the Gayane Ballet Suite found on the soundtrack of
2001?
Coincidence? ripoff?
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>
>
>Ronnie Clark wrote:
>
>> >- The Jorden family discovering the derelict and facehugger.
>>
>> This is my favourite scene in the Alien series! I think James Horner's
>> scoring for the moment you see the derelict again
>
>Yeah, I did like that. I also like the one bit of lightning that
illuminates
>the broken derelict like a haunted house on a hill.
>
>I've read classical music reviewers give their two-cents worth on
soundtracks
>from notable soundtrack composers and they agree Goldsmith's Alien
soundtrack
>is very original [even though he himself didn't care for how it was edited
for
>the film: he wanted it even quieter [!] and they think Horner's is pretty
lousy
>and derivative. I like all four the soundtracks myself.
>
>
>
>
>> is just the definition of
>> the Alien saga. Okay, so Newt's scream is annoying....
>
>I did like the way they mentioned how she learned how to move around the
air
>ducts playing tag wiht the other kids.
>
>Her Dad looked like Rick Springfield though :-]
>
>
>
>> Actually, it is interesting to compare discussion over director's cuts of
>> Cameron films. As a fan of Cameron myself (even Titanic) it is quite
>> intriguing to see cuts he has been forced to make, though ironically, the
>> version of Titanic that made it to the cinemas, whilst being just under
half
>> the length of the script, IS the director's cut!
>
Brian Pesti
http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/2534361916187130_108_837367
"...he shamelessly rips off the opening of Shostakovich's Fourteenth Symphony
for one of his main themes, and then gruesomely mixes it with an Adagio from
Khachaturian's ballet Gayane in a throwback reference to 2001: A Space Odyssey
(this was apparently the director's, not the composer's, decision). And for the
obligatory calm-after-the-storm finale, Horner can think of nothing more
original to do than to turn to Mahler. "
-Film Musings by Royal S. Brown
I don't know, I still like it - whatever works.
John Redman wrote:
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