Vasquez and Drake: Lovers?
Pellaeon21
> I just recently viewed Aliens again and wanted to know if the two
>mentioned above were more than friends. If anyone has information about
>this topic I would love to read what you have to say. I thought about the
>scene where Drake is splattered with the alien's blood. Vasquez showed more
>concern at the time for Drake than she did for any of the other marines.
>Also, when Hicks says that Drake is dead Vasquez doesn't want to believe
>him.
>
>
>
I read that Drake and Vasquez were both young prisioners given a second
chance, so they became very close. I think I read it in a copy of the
script or something, that's all that was revealed, oh yeah, and they'd been
together for a long time, Weather they were lovers or not is unknown.
Paul
Michael Rush
DavysGrey <davy...@aol.com> writes
> I just recently viewed Aliens again and wanted to know if the two
>mentioned above were more than friends. If anyone has information about
>this topic I would love to read what you have to say. I thought about the
>scene where Drake is splattered with the alien's blood. Vasquez showed more
>concern at the time for Drake than she did for any of the other marines.
>Also, when Hicks says that Drake is dead Vasquez doesn't want to believe
>him.
They are definitely more than just friends, but not in the way your
heading suggests. I think being the specialists of the platoon, they
must have trained together and spent more time in each other's pockets
than the rest.
In Cameron's screenplay there is a line when they clench fists after the
'mistaken for a man' exchange: 'We sense the bond between them.' In the
novel, Foster describes them as 'Dobermans at play'. I think these
comments sum it up. The look they give each other when they have
finished prepping the guns is interesting too. It doesn't say anything
about emotion, it's about two highly-trained military killing machines
at peak performance.
Also, Drake's opinion of women may be suspect: his gun has 'MY BITCH'
painted on it. He even kisses the gun before they set out.
Vasquez's reaction to Drake's death was extreme, but then he was only
yards away, and she really wanted to be able to do something about it.
Also, she may have realised that it was, in a way, her fault.
--
Mike
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DavysGrey
En...@something.com
When I fir saw "Aliens" I thought the same thing. Then after awhile I
read various things saying that Vasquez was a lesbian and was just
concerned for her fellow soldiers although maybe Drake was a good friend
of hers. Who's to say.
Enig
Chestbuster
On 11 Sep 1997 20:34:10 GMT, pella...@aol.com (Pellaeon21) wrote:
...
>I read that Drake and Vasquez were both young prisioners given a second
>chance, so they became very close. I think I read it in a copy of the
>script or something, that's all that was revealed, oh yeah, and they'd been
>together for a long time, Weather they were lovers or not is unknown.
>
>Paul
I read the same thing. Sorry, I don't remember where. Apparently, they
were required to marines in the corp for an extended period (maybe
even life?) as part of an agreement of their release from prison.
However, Hudson had no such arrangement and was scheduled to be
discharged from the corp soon.
Gest...@lv.426
En...@Something.com wrote:
>Enig
I've never heard that Vasquez was lesbian before, and I doubt that it
is true. Athough I think the stuff about she, and Drake both
enlisting to get out of prison was actualy to get out of a juvinal
facility. I believe this comes from the extra disc in the "Aliens -
Special Edition" laser disc set.
The Woodsman
En...@Something.com wrote:
>When I fir saw "Aliens" I thought the same thing. Then after awhile I
>read various things saying that Vasquez was a lesbian and was just
>concerned for her fellow soldiers although maybe Drake was a good friend
>of hers. Who's to say.
I don't think that Vasquez was a lesbian (they still don't let
lesbians into the military, even in the future). She was just really
conserned about her friend that was about to be killed/eaten/captured
by those RAT-BASTARD Aliens. Cause you know if even one of those
things got loose in here.... Well you can just kiss all this good bye.
She was standard Military --> "Never leave a man behind!" "We all go
in, we all come out!!!"
Drake & Vasquez --> Just friends!
The Woodsman ---> "Stay frosty"
P.S. Does any one know all the first names of all the people in Alien
& Aliens???
Frank Mango
On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:57:12 GMT, Gest...@LV.426 wrote:
>Incorrect!!!!!!!!!! Ferro's first name is mentioned " Mira " .
>
>The line goes like this.
>
>Vasquez "Hey Mira whos snowhite?" (she says this to Ferro)
<snip>
I don't think so. "mira" is spanish for "look". Substitute the
English word, and it fits just right.
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Pellaeon21
>I don't think so. "mira" is spanish for "look". Substitute the
>English word, and it fits just right.
>
>
That's right Mira means "he or she looks"
Paul
Gest...@lv.426
Michael Rush <m...@encom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The Woodsman <woo...@ix.netcom.com> writes
>>P.S. Does any one know all the first names of all the people in Alien
>>& Aliens???
>You are kidding, right? ;)
>Not once does anybody in Alien get called by a first name. In Aliens,
>the only ones mentioned are Ellen and Dwayne (and only in the Special
>Edition!). (I didn't count Burke and Newt, but then who does.) ;)
Incorrect!!!!!!!!!! Ferro's first name is mentioned " Mira " .
The line goes like this.
Vasquez "Hey Mira whos snowhite?" (she says this to Ferro)
Ferro "Shes supposed to be somekind of consultant,
apparentlyshe saw an alien once."
Hudson "Well Whooopie Fuckin' do hey i'm impressed.
>However...
>For Ripley's tribunal at the start of Aliens, they put up big screens of
>data about the Nostromo crew. It was mentioned in the laserdisc
>supplement. Whether this included adding first names... anyone got a
>magnifying glass?
>As for the rest of the marines, their initials (on the wake-up computer
>screen, and on their camera feeds) just *happen* to be the same as those
>of the actors! So, if you wanted to, you could assume that they share
>first names. (Jenette Vasquez - okay, it's unlikely.)
TarlaStar
Gest...@LV.426 wrote:
>Incorrect!!!!!!!!!! Ferro's first name is mentioned " Mira " .
>The line goes like this.
>Vasquez "Hey Mira whos snowhite?" (she says this to Ferro)
Mira means "look" in Spanish. "Hey look, who's Snow White?"
>Ferro "Shes supposed to be somekind of consultant,
> apparentlyshe saw an alien once."
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Gest...@lv.426
pella...@aol.com (Pellaeon21) wrote:
>Paul
Mira is also an easter european female first name. I've known 2
Yogoslavian women with this name. I'll download the script and
read it. Since its the second word if the "M" is an upper case then
that means its her first name. If its a lower case than its vasquez's
spanish leaking in. I'll post a follow-up when I find out. If you
have a copy of the script please read it and let us know so I don't
have to down load it.
Michael Rush
Gest...@LV.426 writes
>Mira is also an easter european female first name. I've known 2
>Yogoslavian women with this name. I'll download the script and
>read it. Since its the second word if the "M" is an upper case then
>that means its her first name. If its a lower case than its vasquez's
>spanish leaking in. I'll post a follow-up when I find out. If you
>have a copy of the script please read it and let us know so I don't
>have to down load it.
It's not in the script. It must have been ad-libbed (?); and she says
"who's the freshmeat" instead of "who's Snow White".
Most people agree this is 'Vasquez's Spanish'.
--
Mike
Clan Hunter
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Have M&M's, Can Juggle
Gest...@lv.426
Michael Rush <m...@encom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Gest...@LV.426 writes
>>Mira is also an easter european female first name. I've known 2
>>Yogoslavian women with this name. I'll download the script and
>>read it. Since its the second word if the "M" is an upper case then
>>that means its her first name. If its a lower case than its vasquez's
>>spanish leaking in. I'll post a follow-up when I find out. If you
>>have a copy of the script please read it and let us know so I don't
>>have to down load it.
>It's not in the script. It must have been ad-libbed (?); and she says
>"who's the freshmeat" instead of "who's Snow White".
Are you reading an early script or a late or finale script?
The Woodsman
Michael Rush <m...@encom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>P.S. Does any one know all the first names of all the people in Alien
>>& Aliens???
>You are kidding, right? ;)
No, I'm actually really curious
>Not once does anybody in Alien get called by a first name. In Aliens,
>the only ones mentioned are Ellen and Dwayne (and only in the Special
>Edition!). (I didn't count Burke and Newt, but then who does.) ;)
I knew Ellen Ripley, Dwayne Hicks, and Carter Burke (Paul Riser was
perfect in this role).
>. Whether this included adding first names... anyone got a
>magnifying glass?
I thought there might be a couple places to check for these name. Is
there any supplements or magazines that have these names listing. I
though somewhere in the movie, a technical readout has there names
listed (Yes, use a magnifying glass and the slow motion (I'm going to
try this when I get home)). There also was the old Apple II game
aliens that had a listing of all the Marines, but that is back home at
the parents house.
>As for the rest of the marines, their initials (on the wake-up computer
>screen, and on their camera feeds) just *happen* to be the same as those
>of the actors! So, if you wanted to, you could assume that they share
>first names. (Jenette Vasquez - okay, it's unlikely.)
If that is the case, can anyone confirm that??? Then list the
names...
The Woodsman
Jett
>
> >It's not in the script. It must have been ad-libbed (?); and she says
> >"who's the freshmeat" instead of "who's Snow White".
>
> Are you reading an early script or a late or finale script?
>
I have the final script and it says "who's the freshmeat" -- but
dialogue and minor details always get changed during the shooting of a
movie -- so the final filmed dialogue was improvised. Also the novel
for the movie says "who's the freshmeat" and the novels are usually
based on the final shooting script.
~jett
Michael Rush
The Woodsman <woo...@ix.netcom.com> writes
>>>P.S. Does any one know all the first names of all the people in Alien
>>>& Aliens???
>>As for the rest of the marines, their initials (on the wake-up computer
>>screen, and on their camera feeds) just *happen* to be the same as those
>>of the actors! So, if you wanted to, you could assume that they share
>>first names. (Jenette Vasquez - okay, it's unlikely.)
>If that is the case, can anyone confirm that??? Then list the
>names...
Me again. Okay, here are the initials straight from the wake-up
computer. There are two marines' that don't match the actors (my
mistake)... and the picture fades before Burke gets a mention. However:
Screen Actor
Gorman, S William Hope (so, we don't know his first name)
Apone, A Al Matthews
Hicks, D Michael Biehn (but we know his name is Dwayne)
Ferro, C Colette Hiller
Vasquez, J Jenette Goldstein
Drake, M Mark Rolston
Spunkmeyer, D Daniel Kash
Dietrich, C Cynthia Scott
Frost, R Ricco Ross
Wierzbowski, T Trevor Steadman
Crowe, T Tip Tipping (RIP)
The next one is a bit of a surprise (to me at least):
Bishop, L Lance Henriksen
Okay, the initial thing still works - but does Bishop really have a
first name? (Did Ash?) Come to that, why does Bishop need to hypersleep?
Surely they only have to switch him off?
Ripley, E Sigourney Weaver (all together now, it's Ellen)
The next one could be Hudson, but it's fuzzy. Hudson's initial does
appear on his camera feed later on, and it's
Hudson, W Bill Paxton
That's it. Just to re-iterate: these initials mostly match those of the
actors. I imagine this is just an in-joke of sorts. But, if you/we are
looking for the marines's names, this is probably your best bet.
Steve Pugh
Michael Rush wrote:
>The next one could be Hudson, but it's fuzzy. Hudson's initial does
>appear on his camera feed later on, and it's
>
>Hudson, W Bill Paxton
Well if Bill is short for William, then that matches as well, doesn't
it?
Cheers,
Steve
--
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Michael Rush
Steve Pugh <maf...@dial.pipex.com.?> writes
>>The next one could be Hudson, but it's fuzzy. Hudson's initial does
>>appear on his camera feed later on, and it's
>>Hudson, W Bill Paxton
>Well if Bill is short for William, then that matches as well, doesn't
>it?
Yes. So..?
When I said there were two that don't match, I was referring to Gorman
and Hicks.
Gest...@lv.426
maf...@dial.pipex.com. (Steve Pugh) wrote:
>Michael Rush <m...@encom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>When I said there were two that don't match, I was referring to Gorman
>>and Hicks.
>Sorry, I thought you meant Gorman and Hudson. After all we know that
>Hicks is a special case: he actually has a real first name in the
>script and all.
> Cheers,
> Steve
>--
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> I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor
>Stephen Richard Pugh http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/estate/ax16
It could be 3 names Ferro might still be Mira. If the lines where
adlibed I doubt if Goldstein would know much spanish. So it
would lean toward my theory. Also she appeared to say the
line to Ferro. If she had said it to a guy it would without a doubt
be her spanish. On the other hand she could have known
spanish. I think only the cast members, or maybe only
Goldstein really know. And my last point everybody keeps
forgeting Rebecca Jorden, or was it johnson? (Newt).
Steve Pugh
Pellaeon21
>Rebecca Jorden, or was it johnson? (Newt).
>
>
It was Jorden.
Paul
SRadler
>Ferro might still be Mira. If the lines where
>adlibed I doubt if Goldstein would know much spanish. So it
>would lean toward my theory. Also she appeared to say the
>line to Ferro. If she had said it to a guy it would without a doubt
>be her spanish. On the other hand she could have known
>spanish. I think only the cast members, or maybe only
>Goldstein really know.
Gols=dstien auditioned for ALIENS....because she thought it was a movie
about illegal aliens ( info found in supplemental material on laser
disc)...so it is quite possible she knew how to speak spanish....the
dialogue ( in my opnion works better with Mira meaning "look".
Steve
SRadler
>Crowe, T Tip Tipping (RIP)>>
When did he pass?
On a higher note...Thanks for the info Mike!! I read that somewhere but I
was not sure. !
Gest...@lv.426
sra...@aol.com (SRadler) wrote:
>Steve
You got that wrong. The audition was in England. She thought it was
about people who had immigrated to England, not the USA. Since she
was American and in the UK she went to the auditon (with waist length
hair ) . This is what was on the disc, and it is where the line came
from.
Michael Rush
SRadler <sra...@aol.com> writes
>>Crowe, T Tip Tipping (RIP)>>
>When did he pass?
I forget exactly, it was two or three years ago. Tipping was actually a
stuntman (and English, which may explain why he didn't get any good
lines!). IIRC, he was filming a stunt and his parachute failed.
SRadler
>You got that wrong. The audition was in England. She thought it was
>about people who had immigrated to England, not the USA. Since she
>was American and in the UK she went to the auditon (with waist length
>hair ) . This is what was on the disc, and it is where the line came
>from.
Ok....Well I didn't get it wrong...just confused on the info.
SRadler
>I forget exactly, it was two or three years ago. Tipping was actually a
>stuntman (and English, which may explain why he didn't get any good
>lines!). IIRC, he was filming a stunt and his parachute failed.
>
>--
>
>Mike
>
>
Very sad.......very sad. Semper Fi Crowe!
Gest...@lv.426
sra...@aol.com (SRadler) wrote:
Sorry SRadler I was in a bad mood. I didn't mean it to come out that
way.
Gest...@lv.426
Michael Rush <m...@encom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Was he the man who died filming the Mountain Dew comercial?
>SRadler <sra...@aol.com> writes
>>>Crowe, T Tip Tipping (RIP)>>
>>When did he pass?
>I forget exactly, it was two or three years ago. Tipping was actually a
>stuntman (and English, which may explain why he didn't get any good
>lines!). IIRC, he was filming a stunt and his parachute failed.
>--
>Mike
>Clan Hunter
Gest...@lv.426
Michael Rush <m...@encom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>SRadler <sra...@aol.com> writes
>>>Crowe, T Tip Tipping (RIP)>>
>>When did he pass?
>I forget exactly, it was two or three years ago. Tipping was actually a
>stuntman (and English, which may explain why he didn't get any good
>lines!). IIRC, he was filming a stunt and his parachute failed.
>--
>Mike
>Clan Hunter
>Keeper of the Slinky®
>Have M&M's, Can Juggle
>Custodian of the Virtual Visa
Was he the one who died while filming the Mountain Dew comercial?
Gest...@lv.426
SRadler
>
>>Ok....Well I didn't get it wrong...just confused on the info.
>
>
>Sorry SRadler I was in a bad mood. I didn't mean it to come out that
>way.
>
>
>
No problemo...I have bad moods too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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