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Sandman
Jun 1, 2012, 4:38:10 AM6/1/12
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So, I saw the movie last night, and I have mixed feelings.
So, the movie is about a scientific expedition that travels to LV-233
(i.e. not LV-426, but in the same solar system) based on "hints" from
cave paintings around the world, which is just a pattern of dots,
which in turn is supposed to correlate to the configuration of a
series of stars (i.e. constellation) not visible from earth with the
naked eye. One of the cave drawings is over 35,000 years old, and I
would image that the location of stars in the sky would alter in such
a time period, no?
Anyway, they travel to LV-233, a journey that takes two years in
Prometheus. In Alien, they're halfway home when Mother stops the
journey and Lambert calculates the journey hom from that point will
take ten months, so that seems about right I suppose.
The movie takes place in the year 2093, and I'm trying to figure out
when Alien takes place. I'm not sure if they ever say, but Ripleys
daughters date of decease is "12.23.20" which I suppose could read as
23 of december in 2220, because it can't be in 2120 since Ripley was
drifting around in 57 years. She died two years before Ripley was
found in Aliens, so Aliens takes place in the year 2222, which is 72
years after Prometheus.
Since Weyland Yutani is behind the expedition in Prometheus as well,
it seems hard to imagine they waiting 72 years to send something like
Nostromo there, but perhaps I have the math wrong.
So what about the movie then?
Well, the script is too packed for starters. Too much is crammed in
and Ridley Scott seems almost restless in his pacing of the cut and
chain of events. These supposed scientists arrive at LV-233 and
instantaneously runs out of the ship to this structure to examine.
Contrast this to the very slow paced opening of Alien where the focus
is on everyday life of the Nostromo and the characters. Cuts in
Prometheus are to compressed. Too few transport scenes in between
locations.
Also, the script contains too many extraneous elements totally
unnecessary to the plot. We have a cheesy father/daughter substory
that doesn't get enough screen time to be significant, but enough to
make it seem like it's supposed to be important. And there are several
things like that.
But the movie is incredibly beautiful. Expertly shot and framed. It
has some tension at times (mostly involving David played by Michael
Fassbender as the ships android), but unfortunately, it's not a sci-fi
thriller like Alien.
Also, too many stereotypic scenes and situations. The "though guy"
scientist is separated from the others and is obviously the first to
fall victim to what is the Prometheus version of the face hugger.
Which brings me to the aliens and how they are portrayed.
The movie is about the human race being "created" by the race we all
know as the Space Jockeys. Super spoilers ahead! :)
The space jockeys from Alien actually look just like us! Or very much
like us. They're taller and more muscular, and what we see in Alien is
not an exo-skeleton at all, no, it's a space suit! I have a hard time
reconciling this with Alien, where they talk about it being fossilized
and the bones are bent outwards, and closeups really look exactly like
bones. In Prometheus. In Prometheus we "see" SJ walk around in these
space suits, and also how they are integrated into this pilot seat
(i.e. the SJ sits in the chair and the mask and "ribcage" close around
him - making it look like he's grown out of the chair. They also
conclude that we have the same DNA as this race, however unlikely that
seems.
This is an image from Prometheus where the ribcage is being assembled:
<http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/prometheus-alien-image.jpg>
Which doesn't look a lot like this:
<http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g-AfjN4A54A/TyHiukkC9yI/AAAAAAAAbWI/MFJ1GjHe
ACM/s1600/spacejockey13.jpg>
Also, on the subject of face huggers and xenomorphs, I have a hard
time reconciling that between the movies. In the end scene of this
movie, we see a creature bursting out of the chest of the space
jockey. This creature is smaller than an alien yet quite alien-like
(i.e. bipedal, elongated skull, double jaw) but more slender. I have
no beef with this, it's the process of how it came to be that I'm
bothered with.
In Alien, the xenomorph is the result of a face hugger from an egg
laying an egg inside a human host that develops into the chest burster
that later matures into the Alien. Fine.
Now get this, the alien-like creature in Prometheus is created by
"goo" from some container inside the ship is put into the drink of a
crew member (who dies from this) who has sex with another crew member,
who becomes three months pregnant in 10 hours (yes, pregnant - ARSE
vibes yet?). She uses a automated surgical machine to remove the
squid-like fetus (and then is stapled up and walks around like nothing
happened apart from occasional abdominal pain). Later, the Space
Jockey is attacked by this fetus, who inserts something into him
through the mouth much like a face hugger. Later, this ready-made -
non-chest burster - alien emerges from the SJ.
So:
Egg -> Face hugger -> Chest burster -> Alien
Goo -> Sex & Pregnancy -> Fetus -> SJ -> Alien..ish.
Yet the creatures are made to be strikingly similar, even though the
process of development is unimaginably dissimilar? I have a hard time
swallowing this (no pun intended). It's as if they wanted to make it
different, yet hint at it being the same. It doesn't work - one or the
other!
Also - a note about the first scene in the movie. It's never
explained! That bugs me! I mean, I have nothing to say about the fact
that you never actually *learn* anything about the SJ race in
Prometheus. They just *are* and they supposedly made us, but nothing
more is revealed (other than "guesses" by the characters that are
treated like truths)
But the first scene in the movie shows one of these not-quite humans
that are later revealed to be the SJ race. He is left seemingly alone
on a planet when a large disc-shaped spaceship leaves the planet. He
opens a canister of some from of liquid and drinks it. His skin starts
to discolorate and we see how his DNA is being attacked and his body
starts to fall apart. He falls into the water where closeups shows his
now free floating DNA-strands seemingly starting to rebuild
themselves. Cut.
Ok, intriguing first scene! Nothing in the entire movie even comes
close to ever touching on anything related to this after that scene.
Wtf? Why did you show us that? The first scene of a movie is there for
a reason. It's to plant something, introduce something, set the mood
or whatever. Not show something that is 100% unrelated to the entire
movie!
Being a true Alien fan, I went into the movie with super high
expectations. I did enjoy the movie, but I'm focusing mostly here on
the things that were out of place, quirky or just plain wtf's. There
are tons of things to enjoy in this movie as well (Swedish actress
Noomi Rapace is quite good as the "lead" character).
If you haven't seen it, you should. If you have seen it - what did you
think?
--
Sandman[.net]
So, the movie is about a scientific expedition that travels to LV-233
(i.e. not LV-426, but in the same solar system) based on "hints" from
cave paintings around the world, which is just a pattern of dots,
which in turn is supposed to correlate to the configuration of a
series of stars (i.e. constellation) not visible from earth with the
naked eye. One of the cave drawings is over 35,000 years old, and I
would image that the location of stars in the sky would alter in such
a time period, no?
Anyway, they travel to LV-233, a journey that takes two years in
Prometheus. In Alien, they're halfway home when Mother stops the
journey and Lambert calculates the journey hom from that point will
take ten months, so that seems about right I suppose.
The movie takes place in the year 2093, and I'm trying to figure out
when Alien takes place. I'm not sure if they ever say, but Ripleys
daughters date of decease is "12.23.20" which I suppose could read as
23 of december in 2220, because it can't be in 2120 since Ripley was
drifting around in 57 years. She died two years before Ripley was
found in Aliens, so Aliens takes place in the year 2222, which is 72
years after Prometheus.
Since Weyland Yutani is behind the expedition in Prometheus as well,
it seems hard to imagine they waiting 72 years to send something like
Nostromo there, but perhaps I have the math wrong.
So what about the movie then?
Well, the script is too packed for starters. Too much is crammed in
and Ridley Scott seems almost restless in his pacing of the cut and
chain of events. These supposed scientists arrive at LV-233 and
instantaneously runs out of the ship to this structure to examine.
Contrast this to the very slow paced opening of Alien where the focus
is on everyday life of the Nostromo and the characters. Cuts in
Prometheus are to compressed. Too few transport scenes in between
locations.
Also, the script contains too many extraneous elements totally
unnecessary to the plot. We have a cheesy father/daughter substory
that doesn't get enough screen time to be significant, but enough to
make it seem like it's supposed to be important. And there are several
things like that.
But the movie is incredibly beautiful. Expertly shot and framed. It
has some tension at times (mostly involving David played by Michael
Fassbender as the ships android), but unfortunately, it's not a sci-fi
thriller like Alien.
Also, too many stereotypic scenes and situations. The "though guy"
scientist is separated from the others and is obviously the first to
fall victim to what is the Prometheus version of the face hugger.
Which brings me to the aliens and how they are portrayed.
The movie is about the human race being "created" by the race we all
know as the Space Jockeys. Super spoilers ahead! :)
The space jockeys from Alien actually look just like us! Or very much
like us. They're taller and more muscular, and what we see in Alien is
not an exo-skeleton at all, no, it's a space suit! I have a hard time
reconciling this with Alien, where they talk about it being fossilized
and the bones are bent outwards, and closeups really look exactly like
bones. In Prometheus. In Prometheus we "see" SJ walk around in these
space suits, and also how they are integrated into this pilot seat
(i.e. the SJ sits in the chair and the mask and "ribcage" close around
him - making it look like he's grown out of the chair. They also
conclude that we have the same DNA as this race, however unlikely that
seems.
This is an image from Prometheus where the ribcage is being assembled:
<http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/prometheus-alien-image.jpg>
Which doesn't look a lot like this:
<http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g-AfjN4A54A/TyHiukkC9yI/AAAAAAAAbWI/MFJ1GjHe
ACM/s1600/spacejockey13.jpg>
Also, on the subject of face huggers and xenomorphs, I have a hard
time reconciling that between the movies. In the end scene of this
movie, we see a creature bursting out of the chest of the space
jockey. This creature is smaller than an alien yet quite alien-like
(i.e. bipedal, elongated skull, double jaw) but more slender. I have
no beef with this, it's the process of how it came to be that I'm
bothered with.
In Alien, the xenomorph is the result of a face hugger from an egg
laying an egg inside a human host that develops into the chest burster
that later matures into the Alien. Fine.
Now get this, the alien-like creature in Prometheus is created by
"goo" from some container inside the ship is put into the drink of a
crew member (who dies from this) who has sex with another crew member,
who becomes three months pregnant in 10 hours (yes, pregnant - ARSE
vibes yet?). She uses a automated surgical machine to remove the
squid-like fetus (and then is stapled up and walks around like nothing
happened apart from occasional abdominal pain). Later, the Space
Jockey is attacked by this fetus, who inserts something into him
through the mouth much like a face hugger. Later, this ready-made -
non-chest burster - alien emerges from the SJ.
So:
Egg -> Face hugger -> Chest burster -> Alien
Goo -> Sex & Pregnancy -> Fetus -> SJ -> Alien..ish.
Yet the creatures are made to be strikingly similar, even though the
process of development is unimaginably dissimilar? I have a hard time
swallowing this (no pun intended). It's as if they wanted to make it
different, yet hint at it being the same. It doesn't work - one or the
other!
Also - a note about the first scene in the movie. It's never
explained! That bugs me! I mean, I have nothing to say about the fact
that you never actually *learn* anything about the SJ race in
Prometheus. They just *are* and they supposedly made us, but nothing
more is revealed (other than "guesses" by the characters that are
treated like truths)
But the first scene in the movie shows one of these not-quite humans
that are later revealed to be the SJ race. He is left seemingly alone
on a planet when a large disc-shaped spaceship leaves the planet. He
opens a canister of some from of liquid and drinks it. His skin starts
to discolorate and we see how his DNA is being attacked and his body
starts to fall apart. He falls into the water where closeups shows his
now free floating DNA-strands seemingly starting to rebuild
themselves. Cut.
Ok, intriguing first scene! Nothing in the entire movie even comes
close to ever touching on anything related to this after that scene.
Wtf? Why did you show us that? The first scene of a movie is there for
a reason. It's to plant something, introduce something, set the mood
or whatever. Not show something that is 100% unrelated to the entire
movie!
Being a true Alien fan, I went into the movie with super high
expectations. I did enjoy the movie, but I'm focusing mostly here on
the things that were out of place, quirky or just plain wtf's. There
are tons of things to enjoy in this movie as well (Swedish actress
Noomi Rapace is quite good as the "lead" character).
If you haven't seen it, you should. If you have seen it - what did you
think?
--
Sandman[.net]
Covenant
Jun 3, 2012, 7:28:30 AM6/3/12
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> So, the movie is about a scientific expedition that travels to LV-233
> (i.e. not LV-426, but in the same solar system) based on "hints" from
> cave paintings around the world, which is just a pattern of dots,
> which in turn is supposed to correlate to the configuration of a
> series of stars (i.e. constellation) not visible from earth with the
> naked eye. One of the cave drawings is over 35,000 years old, and I
> would image that the location of stars in the sky would alter in such
> a time period, no?
Can't recall if you ever see the configuration *present day*?
Either way.... didn;t bother me.
Didn;t worry too much about the time frames...
> Since Weyland Yutani is behind the expedition in Prometheus as well,
> it seems hard to imagine they waiting 72 years to send something like
> Nostromo there, but perhaps I have the math wrong.
Corporation, but again, the time isn't 'too' much of a concern.
(When was Weyland Yutani formed???) (I hate calling it WeylanD...... bloody
Cameron!) ;' )
72 years.... between Prometheus and ALIEN... well, again, who got the
reports back to Earth following Prometheus?
Radio?? Possible, but who knows (I can;t be bothered trying to do the math
for wavelengths and times!)
It could be gleaned from Prometheus that the world thinks Weyland dead, so
no-one would miss him.
Lots of possibilities, maybe similar to the one that made Burke decide to
send someone to 'have a look' at certain co-ordinates of LV426.
The why's and wherefores arent too important.
> So what about the movie then?
> Well, the script is too packed for starters.
Agree with a lot of what you said about that...
Pacing utterly different from ALIEN, but then.. different film altogether,
so no reason for being disappointed... although I still was a little! ;' )
> But the movie is incredibly beautiful.
> Also, too many stereotypic scenes and situations.
The Briefing Room scene I was like... "Ohhh noooo... The arse, the geek, the
coward, the hero and his woman...."
A lot of the dialogue was VERY pat and predictable.. didn't expect that from
Ridley at all.
> Which brings me to the aliens and how they are portrayed.
interpretations...
> The movie is about the human race being "created" by the race we all
> know as the Space Jockeys. Super spoilers ahead! :)
creation, but being a creature in a suit.
Well... Yeah... bugged a me a little... That's part of what has bugged me
about Prometheus all the way through...
But I'll get back to that....
Okay...
> Also, on the subject of face huggers and xenomorphs, I have a hard
> time reconciling that between the movies.
> So:
> Egg -> Face hugger -> Chest burster -> Alien
The victim becomes the egg.
(I think the D.C. has made that canon enough that we all knew this ANYWAY
but Jimmy screwed it! ;' ) )
which *does* (or at least can be seen to, lead into...
> Goo -> Sex & Pregnancy -> Fetus -> SJ -> Alien..ish.
Goo , WORMS, Eel Monster.......... not sure what. (That bit didn't make too
much sense to me.)
but...
Goo, SPERM, Sex, (I think it was the sperm (The DNA container) that was
attacked or altered by the goo.)
This then led to the pregnancy which created the squid thing,
which then became a MASSIVE face hugger, (check it, that's what it is -
although I didn;t make the TRUE connection until the SJ fell backwards and
it landed on top of him!)....
which impregnated the SJ at the end of the movie...
and thus another type of chest burster!
So, to my mind, it is the GOO that is the bio weapon.
It attacks simple celled structures, or the building blocks of larger
complex ones.
This is the basis by which the SJ subjegate planets.
But, as we know, the experiment didn't work...
This also links in to ALIEN and the victim / egg life cycle as the 'adult'
version of the alien, one assumes, can create it's own *goo* to biotech the
victims into eggs! (Large bio mass creating it's own container for a more
simpler organism.)
> Yet the creatures are made to be strikingly similar, even though the
> process of development is unimaginably dissimilar? I have a hard time
> swallowing this (no pun intended). It's as if they wanted to make it
> different, yet hint at it being the same. It doesn't work - one or the
> other!
> Also - a note about the first scene in the movie. It's never
> explained! That bugs me!
IE, creating the human race (eventually)
I think it was a bit odd insofar as...
Okay, this SJ is left on the Earth, alone, and has to kill himself to *seed*
it?
But by destroying his own DNA?
So if he destroyed his own DNA and a re-written fragment survives to seed
the planet... why would our DNA be an EXACT match for theirs???
Why would have have to kill himself for this to happen?
> Ok, intriguing first scene! Nothing in the entire movie even comes
> close to ever touching on anything related to this after that scene.
> Wtf? Why did you show us that? The first scene of a movie is there for
> a reason. It's to plant something, introduce something, set the mood
> or whatever. Not show something that is 100% unrelated to the entire
> movie!
comment.
The film that we got did not follow the intrigue of the opening.
I DID like Ridley returning to the premise that was mooted WAY back in the
late 70's.
The SJ's ship was a *battle wagon* full of biological weapons.... This film
TOTALLY vindicated that idea. I never thought it would be returned to in
this way. There was not NEARLY enough made of the Giger-esque content.
The giant head.
The head on top of the mound. the ceiling art (Was that another lifecycle
style painting??)
So...
What bugged me?
I also think I may need to see it again....
WHY did Charlize escape pod out of the lifeboat? Was it borked??
What actually DID happen to the first two victims??
The "We can fool it into thinking its alive"- head.
Why did it explode like that?
If the head was behind the safety door, what was it infected with?
WHAT were the *ghosts* running away from? Where was it?
WHY did we even SEE them?
The two crew members; smiles and laughs as they head to death in a ramming
move.
The Captain was good at this bit... stoic, yet "manly-afraid" to do this.
But the other two... "We're gonna die?? KEWL!!"
They had little to NO warning of what was about to happen, but "what the
hell... we're cool with this."
RUN AWAY TO THE SIDE OF THE THING FALLING IN A STRAIGHT LINE TOWARDS YOU!!!
Whatserface being saved by the ONLY BIT OF DIPPED GROUND ON THE PLANET!!!
(Not quite.. but you know what I mean!) ;' )
But here's the thing that REALLY annoyed me........
Ridley deciding NOT to follow through with what I think everyone would have
wanted this to be.
There was absolutely NO reason that this could not have been the prequel
that it really should have been:
Changed the planet... Why? Made no difference.
Made the ship NOT the derelict from ALIEN? Why? Made no difference.
What would have stopped the SJ in Prometheus waking (as Kane did) being
ambulatory for a while (Kane was) and returning to his crashed ship to send
the "Warning" that was being send in ALIEN?
It would have been a BEAUTIFUL tie up...
To my mind Ridley was just being pedantic, "NO THIS IS NOT A PREQUEL!!!!"
("Come onnnnn yeah it is!!!" "NO IT'S NOT ....SEE!!!! NNNNYYAAAHH!!!!")
Which, to me, spoiled the experience just a bit because it comes back to the
whole question that has raged for a while about ALIEN... HOW did the company
KNOW the 'lifeform' was there?
Had Prometheus been set on LV426... PING!!!
There it is! The whole arc of the story sorted!
UNLESS....
(And I hope this ISN'T the case.... It's in order to set up for the sequel
that he was sneaky enough to ensure could be mooted due to Whatserface and
David escaping the planet... and putting down... on LV426....(The ship is
VERY big... there could be someone else there.. David may be a droid.. but
he's not infallible!)
anyway....
Ultimately, I liked it. Still a billion times better than either 3 or A:RSE
--
Covenant
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands
Sandman
Jun 4, 2012, 3:26:08 AM6/4/12
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In article <%SHyr.905197$8q1.4...@fx29.am4>,
in 2090 and arrive at LV223 in 2092 if my memory serves.
> Didn;t worry too much about the time frames...
It can bug the fuck out of me. But I think I have it sorted. There are
29 years between Prometheus and Alien.
> > Since Weyland Yutani is behind the expedition in Prometheus as well,
> > it seems hard to imagine they waiting 72 years to send something like
> > Nostromo there, but perhaps I have the math wrong.
>
> Well... Nitpicking, but it wasn't Weyland Yutani.. it was Weyland
Sure, right.
> 72 years.... between Prometheus and ALIEN... well, again, who got the
> reports back to Earth following Prometheus?
I'm going to go ahead and assume that Vicky had a live feed report
back to Wayland on for the entire journey, with ship logs and whatnot
being fed back as soon as it could.
> Radio?? Possible, but who knows (I can;t be bothered trying to do the math
> for wavelengths and times!)
The journey there took 2 years, radio back would be weeks or months.
> It could be gleaned from Prometheus that the world thinks Weyland dead, so
> no-one would miss him.
Perhaps, but they would surely miss the enormous science ship they
sent :)
> Lots of possibilities, maybe similar to the one that made Burke decide to
> send someone to 'have a look' at certain co-ordinates of LV426.
Surely that was just timing. Nostromo failed, next option -
terraforming. Let two decades pass for there to be enough hosts in the
colony, then send someone to check a grid coordinate :)
> The why's and wherefores arent too important.
They are to me!! :)
> > Well, the script is too packed for starters.
>
> Yes... yes it is...
> Agree with a lot of what you said about that...
> Pacing utterly different from ALIEN, but then.. different film altogether,
> so no reason for being disappointed... although I still was a little! ;' )
I'm being disappointed at Sir Scott because he can do better, not
because it wasn't paced like Alien.
> > Also, too many stereotypic scenes and situations.
>
> Sadly, yeah.
> The Briefing Room scene I was like... "Ohhh noooo... The arse, the geek, the
> coward, the hero and his woman...."
They're there in Alien too - the captain, the disgruntled mechanic and
his sidekick, the besserwisser science officer and so on. But it's
subdued and blended into character presentation and development rather
than crammed into one 2-minute scene.
> A lot of the dialogue was VERY pat and predictable.. didn't expect that from
> Ridley at all.
Indeed.
> > Which brings me to the aliens and how they are portrayed.
>
> Okay, this is where things get SO lost in both substance and possible
> interpretations...
So very very lost.
> > The movie is about the human race being "created" by the race we all
> > know as the Space Jockeys. Super spoilers ahead! :)
>
> The SJ being a 'race' and the SJ from ALIEN NOT looking like Giger's
> creation, but being a creature in a suit.
Which is inconsistent as FUCK. I mean, look at the links in my OP. Or
rather, compare here:
http://sandman.net/files/spacejockey.jpg
The green line is what's similar, the ridges of the chair. But in the
lower image, they continue up the arm of the SJ, unbroken. The
elephant trunk is severely different and so is the arm.
But that's not all. The SJ in Alien is *ENORMOUS*, especially if we
assume it has legs proportionate to it's body (that is - if it wasn't
grown out of the chair).
The entire lower arm is the height of a grown man! (or a grown child
as in this picture, but you get the idea) :)
So if the original SJ could stand up, I would assume it would be over
5 meters tall. In the movie, they're what - 2,3 meters? Or rather -
"slightly larger than a man". :/
> > Egg -> Face hugger -> Chest burster -> Alien
>
> Well.... VICTIM >> Egg >> Face Hugger....
> The victim becomes the egg.
Well, even though the DC validates this, I don't think the thousands
of eggs in the Derelict were former victims.
> (I think the D.C. has made that canon enough that we all knew this ANYWAY
> but Jimmy screwed it! ;' ) )
As I've said before, Alien and Aliens are not in conflict about this.
> > Goo -> Sex & Pregnancy -> Fetus -> SJ -> Alien..ish.
>
> Here's what I think you are missing...
>
> Goo , WORMS, Eel Monster.......... not sure what. (That bit didn't make too
> much sense to me.)
Huh? No. the worms or Eel monsters never produced an Alien. They were
just there for shock effect. On of their victims died outright and the
other became a disfigured monster. Neither were part of any alien
lifecycle as far as we can tell. They were just superflous scenes to
make us get scared.
> Goo, SPERM, Sex, (I think it was the sperm (The DNA container) that was
> attacked or altered by the goo.)
Of course.
> This then led to the pregnancy which created the squid thing,
> which then became a MASSIVE face hugger, (check it, that's what it is -
> although I didn;t make the TRUE connection until the SJ fell backwards and
> it landed on top of him!)....
It's a "face hugger" in the sense that it inserts something in his
body through his face, there really are no other similarities... No
legs, no tail.
> which impregnated the SJ at the end of the movie...
> and thus another type of chest burster!
No, the chest burster in Alien is a stage in the life cycle of the
Alien. In Prometheus, this part is skipped and what bursts out of the
chest is a fully developed (albeit possibly not full grown) Alien.
> So, to my mind, it is the GOO that is the bio weapon.
Sure.
> It attacks simple celled structures, or the building blocks of larger
> complex ones.
> This is the basis by which the SJ subjegate planets.
Is it? The only time we ever see anything confirming that the SJ even
is on another planet is when they "impregnate" the earth, which sort
of is the exact opposite of "subjugate" :)
> This also links in to ALIEN and the victim / egg life cycle as the 'adult'
> version of the alien, one assumes, can create it's own *goo* to biotech the
> victims into eggs! (Large bio mass creating it's own container for a more
> simpler organism.)
Guesses, of course. The effects of the goo in Prometheus has no
correlation to the coccooning in Alien.
> > Also - a note about the first scene in the movie. It's never
> > explained! That bugs me!
>
> I took it for granted that this was the SJ's *seeding* earth.
> IE, creating the human race (eventually)
Yes, I heard that elsewhere, and the landscape looks very Earthy. I
guess it's a valid theory, if it weren't for the points you raise
below:
> I think it was a bit odd insofar as...
> Okay, this SJ is left on the Earth, alone, and has to kill himself to *seed*
> it? But by destroying his own DNA?
> So if he destroyed his own DNA and a re-written fragment survives to seed
> the planet... why would our DNA be an EXACT match for theirs???
>
> Why would have have to kill himself for this to happen?
Exactly.
> I DID like Ridley returning to the premise that was mooted WAY back in the
> late 70's.
> The SJ's ship was a *battle wagon* full of biological weapons.... This film
> TOTALLY vindicated that idea. I never thought it would be returned to in
> this way. There was not NEARLY enough made of the Giger-esque content.
> The giant head.
> The head on top of the mound. the ceiling art (Was that another lifecycle
> style painting??)
Agreed.
> WHY did Charlize escape pod out of the lifeboat? Was it borked??
She didn't. The lifeboat was jettisoned, she escape pod:ed out of the
Prometheus before impact to get to the life boat.
> What actually DID happen to the first two victims??
Not anything Alien-related as far as I can tell. Goo drips on ground,
makes earth worms grow in size and attack people to either kill them
or make them into weird monsters. Why?
> The "We can fool it into thinking its alive"- head.
> Why did it explode like that?
> If the head was behind the safety door, what was it infected with?
Goo, presumably. The safety door was to keep the goo inside, rigth?
Yet in the in-flight movie we see the SJ's running in *TO* the
goo-room with one being caught in the door. Where are those that got
into the room? Did they get out another way or through the same door
while ignoring the guy with his head cut off?
> WHAT were the *ghosts* running away from? Where was it?
> WHY did we even SEE them?
Lousy narration. I hate that. It's even worse than Davids entire "oh,
I have studied earth languages for two years so obviously I can read
and talk SJ-talk fluently". Cheap narrative shortcuts not befitting
Ridley Scott.
> The two crew members; smiles and laughs as they head to death in a ramming
> move.
> The Captain was good at this bit... stoic, yet "manly-afraid" to do this.
> But the other two... "We're gonna die?? KEWL!!"
> They had little to NO warning of what was about to happen, but "what the
> hell... we're cool with this."
Yes, no build up, no reason to assume loyalty for these two noface
background characters that said more in this scene than in the entire
movie up to that point.
> RUN AWAY TO THE SIDE OF THE THING FALLING IN A STRAIGHT LINE TOWARDS YOU!!!
Theron is a stupid blonde :)
> Whatserface being saved by the ONLY BIT OF DIPPED GROUND ON THE PLANET!!!
> (Not quite.. but you know what I mean!) ;' )
Tension! Excitement! Suspension!!
> But here's the thing that REALLY annoyed me........
>
> Ridley deciding NOT to follow through with what I think everyone would have
> wanted this to be.
> There was absolutely NO reason that this could not have been the prequel
> that it really should have been:
>
> Changed the planet... Why? Made no difference.
> Made the ship NOT the derelict from ALIEN? Why? Made no difference.
> What would have stopped the SJ in Prometheus waking (as Kane did) being
> ambulatory for a while (Kane was) and returning to his crashed ship to send
> the "Warning" that was being send in ALIEN?
> It would have been a BEAUTIFUL tie up...
And that's what I assumed up until the end. I *did* not the LV223 name
of the planet in the beginning, but didn't think much about it. I
*knew* the derelict was going to be in it because of the Trailer. It
was so set up in my mind that this WAS the actual SJ and derelict. So
when attacked by the squid, that's 100% what I assumed was going to
happen. He'll be impregnated and go back to the crashed ship and then
sit in the chair and the last scene is the xenomorph bursting out of
his chest.
Why. The. Fuck. Not??
My first doubt was when the derelict tipped over and lay flat on the
ground... "My god - that's not the correct angle"... :)
> Which, to me, spoiled the experience just a bit because it comes back to the
> whole question that has raged for a while about ALIEN... HOW did the company
> KNOW the 'lifeform' was there?
>
> Had Prometheus been set on LV426... PING!!!
> There it is! The whole arc of the story sorted!
> UNLESS....
> (And I hope this ISN'T the case.... It's in order to set up for the sequel
> that he was sneaky enough to ensure could be mooted due to Whatserface and
> David escaping the planet... and putting down... on LV426....(The ship is
> VERY big... there could be someone else there.. David may be a droid.. but
> he's not infallible!)
Oh of course it's set up for a sequel. Every single movie made
nowadays are set up for sequels, and I hate it. I don't hate sequels,
I hate it when the script of the first movie is written to make a
sequel with the same titular character possible. Not open-ended, but
rather "oh, here we go to explore the galaxy! - Maybe you can see us
do that and what perils that may ential soon? *wink wink*"
--
Sandman[.net]
"Covenant" <covenantWITH...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > So, the movie is about a scientific expedition that travels to LV-233
> > (i.e. not LV-426, but in the same solar system) based on "hints" from
> > cave paintings around the world, which is just a pattern of dots,
> > which in turn is supposed to correlate to the configuration of a
> > series of stars (i.e. constellation) not visible from earth with the
> > naked eye. One of the cave drawings is over 35,000 years old, and I
> > would image that the location of stars in the sky would alter in such
> > a time period, no?
>
> Possibly, but also possibly not.
> Can't recall if you ever see the configuration *present day*?
The bit on earth is in 2070 or something thereabout. They leave earth
> > So, the movie is about a scientific expedition that travels to LV-233
> > (i.e. not LV-426, but in the same solar system) based on "hints" from
> > cave paintings around the world, which is just a pattern of dots,
> > which in turn is supposed to correlate to the configuration of a
> > series of stars (i.e. constellation) not visible from earth with the
> > naked eye. One of the cave drawings is over 35,000 years old, and I
> > would image that the location of stars in the sky would alter in such
> > a time period, no?
>
> Possibly, but also possibly not.
> Can't recall if you ever see the configuration *present day*?
in 2090 and arrive at LV223 in 2092 if my memory serves.
> Didn;t worry too much about the time frames...
29 years between Prometheus and Alien.
> > Since Weyland Yutani is behind the expedition in Prometheus as well,
> > it seems hard to imagine they waiting 72 years to send something like
> > Nostromo there, but perhaps I have the math wrong.
>
> Well... Nitpicking, but it wasn't Weyland Yutani.. it was Weyland
> 72 years.... between Prometheus and ALIEN... well, again, who got the
> reports back to Earth following Prometheus?
back to Wayland on for the entire journey, with ship logs and whatnot
being fed back as soon as it could.
> Radio?? Possible, but who knows (I can;t be bothered trying to do the math
> for wavelengths and times!)
> It could be gleaned from Prometheus that the world thinks Weyland dead, so
> no-one would miss him.
sent :)
> Lots of possibilities, maybe similar to the one that made Burke decide to
> send someone to 'have a look' at certain co-ordinates of LV426.
terraforming. Let two decades pass for there to be enough hosts in the
colony, then send someone to check a grid coordinate :)
> The why's and wherefores arent too important.
> > Well, the script is too packed for starters.
>
> Yes... yes it is...
> Agree with a lot of what you said about that...
> Pacing utterly different from ALIEN, but then.. different film altogether,
> so no reason for being disappointed... although I still was a little! ;' )
because it wasn't paced like Alien.
> > Also, too many stereotypic scenes and situations.
>
> Sadly, yeah.
> The Briefing Room scene I was like... "Ohhh noooo... The arse, the geek, the
> coward, the hero and his woman...."
his sidekick, the besserwisser science officer and so on. But it's
subdued and blended into character presentation and development rather
than crammed into one 2-minute scene.
> A lot of the dialogue was VERY pat and predictable.. didn't expect that from
> Ridley at all.
> > Which brings me to the aliens and how they are portrayed.
>
> Okay, this is where things get SO lost in both substance and possible
> interpretations...
> > The movie is about the human race being "created" by the race we all
> > know as the Space Jockeys. Super spoilers ahead! :)
>
> The SJ being a 'race' and the SJ from ALIEN NOT looking like Giger's
> creation, but being a creature in a suit.
rather, compare here:
http://sandman.net/files/spacejockey.jpg
The green line is what's similar, the ridges of the chair. But in the
lower image, they continue up the arm of the SJ, unbroken. The
elephant trunk is severely different and so is the arm.
But that's not all. The SJ in Alien is *ENORMOUS*, especially if we
assume it has legs proportionate to it's body (that is - if it wasn't
grown out of the chair).
The entire lower arm is the height of a grown man! (or a grown child
as in this picture, but you get the idea) :)
So if the original SJ could stand up, I would assume it would be over
5 meters tall. In the movie, they're what - 2,3 meters? Or rather -
"slightly larger than a man". :/
> > Egg -> Face hugger -> Chest burster -> Alien
>
> Well.... VICTIM >> Egg >> Face Hugger....
> The victim becomes the egg.
of eggs in the Derelict were former victims.
> (I think the D.C. has made that canon enough that we all knew this ANYWAY
> but Jimmy screwed it! ;' ) )
> > Goo -> Sex & Pregnancy -> Fetus -> SJ -> Alien..ish.
>
> Here's what I think you are missing...
>
> Goo , WORMS, Eel Monster.......... not sure what. (That bit didn't make too
> much sense to me.)
just there for shock effect. On of their victims died outright and the
other became a disfigured monster. Neither were part of any alien
lifecycle as far as we can tell. They were just superflous scenes to
make us get scared.
> Goo, SPERM, Sex, (I think it was the sperm (The DNA container) that was
> attacked or altered by the goo.)
> This then led to the pregnancy which created the squid thing,
> which then became a MASSIVE face hugger, (check it, that's what it is -
> although I didn;t make the TRUE connection until the SJ fell backwards and
> it landed on top of him!)....
body through his face, there really are no other similarities... No
legs, no tail.
> which impregnated the SJ at the end of the movie...
> and thus another type of chest burster!
Alien. In Prometheus, this part is skipped and what bursts out of the
chest is a fully developed (albeit possibly not full grown) Alien.
> So, to my mind, it is the GOO that is the bio weapon.
> It attacks simple celled structures, or the building blocks of larger
> complex ones.
> This is the basis by which the SJ subjegate planets.
is on another planet is when they "impregnate" the earth, which sort
of is the exact opposite of "subjugate" :)
> This also links in to ALIEN and the victim / egg life cycle as the 'adult'
> version of the alien, one assumes, can create it's own *goo* to biotech the
> victims into eggs! (Large bio mass creating it's own container for a more
> simpler organism.)
correlation to the coccooning in Alien.
> > Also - a note about the first scene in the movie. It's never
> > explained! That bugs me!
>
> I took it for granted that this was the SJ's *seeding* earth.
> IE, creating the human race (eventually)
guess it's a valid theory, if it weren't for the points you raise
below:
> I think it was a bit odd insofar as...
> Okay, this SJ is left on the Earth, alone, and has to kill himself to *seed*
> it? But by destroying his own DNA?
> So if he destroyed his own DNA and a re-written fragment survives to seed
> the planet... why would our DNA be an EXACT match for theirs???
>
> Why would have have to kill himself for this to happen?
> I DID like Ridley returning to the premise that was mooted WAY back in the
> late 70's.
> The SJ's ship was a *battle wagon* full of biological weapons.... This film
> TOTALLY vindicated that idea. I never thought it would be returned to in
> this way. There was not NEARLY enough made of the Giger-esque content.
> The giant head.
> The head on top of the mound. the ceiling art (Was that another lifecycle
> style painting??)
> WHY did Charlize escape pod out of the lifeboat? Was it borked??
Prometheus before impact to get to the life boat.
> What actually DID happen to the first two victims??
makes earth worms grow in size and attack people to either kill them
or make them into weird monsters. Why?
> The "We can fool it into thinking its alive"- head.
> Why did it explode like that?
> If the head was behind the safety door, what was it infected with?
Yet in the in-flight movie we see the SJ's running in *TO* the
goo-room with one being caught in the door. Where are those that got
into the room? Did they get out another way or through the same door
while ignoring the guy with his head cut off?
> WHAT were the *ghosts* running away from? Where was it?
> WHY did we even SEE them?
I have studied earth languages for two years so obviously I can read
and talk SJ-talk fluently". Cheap narrative shortcuts not befitting
Ridley Scott.
> The two crew members; smiles and laughs as they head to death in a ramming
> move.
> The Captain was good at this bit... stoic, yet "manly-afraid" to do this.
> But the other two... "We're gonna die?? KEWL!!"
> They had little to NO warning of what was about to happen, but "what the
> hell... we're cool with this."
background characters that said more in this scene than in the entire
movie up to that point.
> RUN AWAY TO THE SIDE OF THE THING FALLING IN A STRAIGHT LINE TOWARDS YOU!!!
> Whatserface being saved by the ONLY BIT OF DIPPED GROUND ON THE PLANET!!!
> (Not quite.. but you know what I mean!) ;' )
> But here's the thing that REALLY annoyed me........
>
> Ridley deciding NOT to follow through with what I think everyone would have
> wanted this to be.
> There was absolutely NO reason that this could not have been the prequel
> that it really should have been:
>
> Changed the planet... Why? Made no difference.
> Made the ship NOT the derelict from ALIEN? Why? Made no difference.
> What would have stopped the SJ in Prometheus waking (as Kane did) being
> ambulatory for a while (Kane was) and returning to his crashed ship to send
> the "Warning" that was being send in ALIEN?
> It would have been a BEAUTIFUL tie up...
of the planet in the beginning, but didn't think much about it. I
*knew* the derelict was going to be in it because of the Trailer. It
was so set up in my mind that this WAS the actual SJ and derelict. So
when attacked by the squid, that's 100% what I assumed was going to
happen. He'll be impregnated and go back to the crashed ship and then
sit in the chair and the last scene is the xenomorph bursting out of
his chest.
Why. The. Fuck. Not??
My first doubt was when the derelict tipped over and lay flat on the
ground... "My god - that's not the correct angle"... :)
> Which, to me, spoiled the experience just a bit because it comes back to the
> whole question that has raged for a while about ALIEN... HOW did the company
> KNOW the 'lifeform' was there?
>
> Had Prometheus been set on LV426... PING!!!
> There it is! The whole arc of the story sorted!
> UNLESS....
> (And I hope this ISN'T the case.... It's in order to set up for the sequel
> that he was sneaky enough to ensure could be mooted due to Whatserface and
> David escaping the planet... and putting down... on LV426....(The ship is
> VERY big... there could be someone else there.. David may be a droid.. but
> he's not infallible!)
nowadays are set up for sequels, and I hate it. I don't hate sequels,
I hate it when the script of the first movie is written to make a
sequel with the same titular character possible. Not open-ended, but
rather "oh, here we go to explore the galaxy! - Maybe you can see us
do that and what perils that may ential soon? *wink wink*"
--
Sandman[.net]
Covenant
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travel?
;' )
> Perhaps, but they would surely miss the enormous science ship they
> sent :)
Possibly! ;' )
> I'm being disappointed at Sir Scott because he can do better, not
> because it wasn't paced like Alien.
Well, yeah there is that! ;' )
>> > Also, too many stereotypic scenes and situations.
>>
>> Sadly, yeah.
>> The Briefing Room scene I was like... "Ohhh noooo... The arse, the geek,
>> the
>> coward, the hero and his woman...."
>
> They're there in Alien too - the captain, the disgruntled mechanic and
> his sidekick, the besserwisser science officer and so on. But it's
> subdued and blended into character presentation and development rather
> than crammed into one 2-minute scene.
Yup, exactly the point.
All too rushed.
shame....
>> The SJ being a 'race' and the SJ from ALIEN NOT looking like Giger's
>> creation, but being a creature in a suit.
>
> Which is inconsistent as FUCK. I mean, look at the links in my OP. Or
> rather, compare here:
>
> http://sandman.net/files/spacejockey.jpg
Oh yeah, one of the things I forgot to mention.
The inconsistent SIZE of the SJ overall.
>> > Egg -> Face hugger -> Chest burster -> Alien
>>
>> Well.... VICTIM >> Egg >> Face Hugger....
>> The victim becomes the egg.
>
> Well, even though the DC validates this, I don't think the thousands
> of eggs in the Derelict were former victims.
I think they were orignally intended to be.
(I think it's "The Book of Alien" where this is mentioned....?)
>> Goo , WORMS, Eel Monster.......... not sure what. (That bit didn't make
>> too
>> much sense to me.)
>
> Huh? No. the worms or Eel monsters never produced an Alien. They were
> just there for shock effect. On of their victims died outright and the
> other became a disfigured monster. Neither were part of any alien
> lifecycle as far as we can tell. They were just superflous scenes to
> make us get scared.
Yeah, kinda what I meant by "not sure what" - there is no apparent reason
for the dude becoming super strong and resilient.
But meh,,, as you say, just an *action moment*
> It's a "face hugger" in the sense that it inserts something in his
> body through his face, there really are no other similarities... No
> legs, no tail.
Well, thats the thing...
Until the last shot of the SJ falling backwards I didn't even *think* face
hugger til then.
But when you see the thing lying atop him, it is really very similar.
(True doesn't have the same skeletal structure, but it does have *legs*
(tentacles) there was too much slipping going on to see if there was
anything like a tail.
My take on this is that it was ultimately created through the *goo* proces
and not the *victim into egg* process!
Ta-Da! ;' ))
> No, the chest burster in Alien is a stage in the life cycle of the
> Alien. In Prometheus, this part is skipped and what bursts out of the
> chest is a fully developed (albeit possibly not full grown) Alien.
Actually that is a very good point, but again, taking it from the *goo*
process and not the... (etc) it's a possibiility
(Well, not a possibility.. it's canon now!)
OR maybe what we see at the end IS a chestburster as it forms inside an SJ!
The arguement against that of course is that if we share EXACTLY the same
DNA then why would there be that much difference.
(But then if we have EXACTLY the same DNA then why are there such radical
differences between the species?)
> Is it? The only time we ever see anything confirming that the SJ even
> is on another planet is when they "impregnate" the earth, which sort
> of is the exact opposite of "subjugate" :)
Mmmm... not really.
Earth seeding was a form of colonisation (I would assume?)
But subjegation would be for planets with indigenous life that they wanna
get rid of!
(All speculation obviously!)
>> This also links in to ALIEN and the victim / egg life cycle as the
>> 'adult'
>> version of the alien, one assumes, can create it's own *goo* to biotech
>> the
>> victims into eggs! (Large bio mass creating it's own container for a more
>> simpler organism.)
>
> Guesses, of course. The effects of the goo in Prometheus has no
> correlation to the coccooning in Alien.
Oh hey, it's ALL guesses!! ;' )
>> > Also - a note about the first scene in the movie. It's never
>> > explained! That bugs me!
>>
>> I took it for granted that this was the SJ's *seeding* earth.
>> IE, creating the human race (eventually)
>
> Yes, I heard that elsewhere, and the landscape looks very Earthy. I
> guess it's a valid theory, if it weren't for the points you raise
> below:
;' ) That's the problem isn;t it !!!
>> WHY did Charlize escape pod out of the lifeboat? Was it borked??
>
> She didn't. The lifeboat was jettisoned, she escape pod:ed out of the
> Prometheus before impact to get to the life boat.
Ahhhh!!!
Okay... thought I'd missed something!
> Lousy narration. I hate that. It's even worse than Davids entire "oh,
> I have studied earth languages for two years so obviously I can read
> and talk SJ-talk fluently". Cheap narrative shortcuts not befitting
> Ridley Scott.
Yup!
> Why. The. Fuck. Not??
> My first doubt was when the derelict tipped over and lay flat on the
> ground... "My god - that's not the correct angle"... :)
;' ))) ME TOO!!! (Sad feckers that we are!)
> Oh of course it's set up for a sequel. Every single movie made
> nowadays are set up for sequels, and I hate it. I don't hate sequels,
> I hate it when the script of the first movie is written to make a
> sequel with the same titular character possible. Not open-ended, but
> rather "oh, here we go to explore the galaxy! - Maybe you can see us
> do that and what perils that may ential soon? *wink wink*"
Ooooooo!!! When you put it THAT way !!
WHEN'S PROMETHEI ????
(plural of Prometheus!)
;' )
> In article <%SHyr.905197$8q1.4...@fx29.am4>,
> "Covenant" <covenantWITH...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> It can bug the fuck out of me.
It can me too, but, you know, no need to think it's only point to point
> "Covenant" <covenantWITH...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> It can bug the fuck out of me.
travel?
;' )
> Perhaps, but they would surely miss the enormous science ship they
> sent :)
> I'm being disappointed at Sir Scott because he can do better, not
> because it wasn't paced like Alien.
>> > Also, too many stereotypic scenes and situations.
>>
>> Sadly, yeah.
>> The Briefing Room scene I was like... "Ohhh noooo... The arse, the geek,
>> the
>> coward, the hero and his woman...."
>
> They're there in Alien too - the captain, the disgruntled mechanic and
> his sidekick, the besserwisser science officer and so on. But it's
> subdued and blended into character presentation and development rather
> than crammed into one 2-minute scene.
All too rushed.
shame....
>> The SJ being a 'race' and the SJ from ALIEN NOT looking like Giger's
>> creation, but being a creature in a suit.
>
> Which is inconsistent as FUCK. I mean, look at the links in my OP. Or
> rather, compare here:
>
> http://sandman.net/files/spacejockey.jpg
The inconsistent SIZE of the SJ overall.
>> > Egg -> Face hugger -> Chest burster -> Alien
>>
>> Well.... VICTIM >> Egg >> Face Hugger....
>> The victim becomes the egg.
>
> Well, even though the DC validates this, I don't think the thousands
> of eggs in the Derelict were former victims.
(I think it's "The Book of Alien" where this is mentioned....?)
>> Goo , WORMS, Eel Monster.......... not sure what. (That bit didn't make
>> too
>> much sense to me.)
>
> Huh? No. the worms or Eel monsters never produced an Alien. They were
> just there for shock effect. On of their victims died outright and the
> other became a disfigured monster. Neither were part of any alien
> lifecycle as far as we can tell. They were just superflous scenes to
> make us get scared.
for the dude becoming super strong and resilient.
But meh,,, as you say, just an *action moment*
> It's a "face hugger" in the sense that it inserts something in his
> body through his face, there really are no other similarities... No
> legs, no tail.
Until the last shot of the SJ falling backwards I didn't even *think* face
hugger til then.
But when you see the thing lying atop him, it is really very similar.
(True doesn't have the same skeletal structure, but it does have *legs*
(tentacles) there was too much slipping going on to see if there was
anything like a tail.
My take on this is that it was ultimately created through the *goo* proces
and not the *victim into egg* process!
Ta-Da! ;' ))
> No, the chest burster in Alien is a stage in the life cycle of the
> Alien. In Prometheus, this part is skipped and what bursts out of the
> chest is a fully developed (albeit possibly not full grown) Alien.
process and not the... (etc) it's a possibiility
(Well, not a possibility.. it's canon now!)
OR maybe what we see at the end IS a chestburster as it forms inside an SJ!
The arguement against that of course is that if we share EXACTLY the same
DNA then why would there be that much difference.
(But then if we have EXACTLY the same DNA then why are there such radical
differences between the species?)
> Is it? The only time we ever see anything confirming that the SJ even
> is on another planet is when they "impregnate" the earth, which sort
> of is the exact opposite of "subjugate" :)
Earth seeding was a form of colonisation (I would assume?)
But subjegation would be for planets with indigenous life that they wanna
get rid of!
(All speculation obviously!)
>> This also links in to ALIEN and the victim / egg life cycle as the
>> 'adult'
>> version of the alien, one assumes, can create it's own *goo* to biotech
>> the
>> victims into eggs! (Large bio mass creating it's own container for a more
>> simpler organism.)
>
> Guesses, of course. The effects of the goo in Prometheus has no
> correlation to the coccooning in Alien.
>> > Also - a note about the first scene in the movie. It's never
>> > explained! That bugs me!
>>
>> I took it for granted that this was the SJ's *seeding* earth.
>> IE, creating the human race (eventually)
>
> Yes, I heard that elsewhere, and the landscape looks very Earthy. I
> guess it's a valid theory, if it weren't for the points you raise
> below:
>> WHY did Charlize escape pod out of the lifeboat? Was it borked??
>
> She didn't. The lifeboat was jettisoned, she escape pod:ed out of the
> Prometheus before impact to get to the life boat.
Okay... thought I'd missed something!
> Lousy narration. I hate that. It's even worse than Davids entire "oh,
> I have studied earth languages for two years so obviously I can read
> and talk SJ-talk fluently". Cheap narrative shortcuts not befitting
> Ridley Scott.
> Why. The. Fuck. Not??
> My first doubt was when the derelict tipped over and lay flat on the
> ground... "My god - that's not the correct angle"... :)
> Oh of course it's set up for a sequel. Every single movie made
> nowadays are set up for sequels, and I hate it. I don't hate sequels,
> I hate it when the script of the first movie is written to make a
> sequel with the same titular character possible. Not open-ended, but
> rather "oh, here we go to explore the galaxy! - Maybe you can see us
> do that and what perils that may ential soon? *wink wink*"
WHEN'S PROMETHEI ????
(plural of Prometheus!)
;' )
Sandman
Jun 6, 2012, 3:51:55 AM6/6/12
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In article <nilzr.124901$%z3.5...@fx13.am4>,
> > It's a "face hugger" in the sense that it inserts something in his
> > body through his face, there really are no other similarities... No
> > legs, no tail.
>
> Well, thats the thing...
> Until the last shot of the SJ falling backwards I didn't even *think* face
> hugger til then.
> But when you see the thing lying atop him, it is really very similar.
> (True doesn't have the same skeletal structure, but it does have *legs*
> (tentacles) there was too much slipping going on to see if there was
> anything like a tail.
>
> My take on this is that it was ultimately created through the *goo* proces
> and not the *victim into egg* process!
> Ta-Da! ;' ))
I.e. totally different process, yet creating a strikingly similar
Alien :)
> > No, the chest burster in Alien is a stage in the life cycle of the
> > Alien. In Prometheus, this part is skipped and what bursts out of the
> > chest is a fully developed (albeit possibly not full grown) Alien.
>
> Actually that is a very good point, but again, taking it from the *goo*
> process and not the... (etc) it's a possibiility
> (Well, not a possibility.. it's canon now!)
> OR maybe what we see at the end IS a chestburster as it forms inside an SJ!
And it develops into Mr Stay Puft from ARSE? :-D
> The arguement against that of course is that if we share EXACTLY the same
> DNA then why would there be that much difference.
> (But then if we have EXACTLY the same DNA then why are there such radical
> differences between the species?)
Indeed.
> > Is it? The only time we ever see anything confirming that the SJ even
> > is on another planet is when they "impregnate" the earth, which sort
> > of is the exact opposite of "subjugate" :)
>
> Mmmm... not really.
> Earth seeding was a form of colonisation (I would assume?)
> But subjegation would be for planets with indigenous life that they wanna
> get rid of!
Right, but they're not synonyms. We have no evidence that the SJ race
wanted to subjugate other planets other than to assume that they're a
pretty aggressive race. But then again, this is from a scene where
this one dude has been sleeping for 2000 years or something like that.
Probably just bad morning temper. :)
> > Guesses, of course. The effects of the goo in Prometheus has no
> > correlation to the coccooning in Alien.
>
> Oh hey, it's ALL guesses!! ;' )
But it shouldn't be! It *could* have been tied together!! :)
> > Why. The. Fuck. Not??
> > My first doubt was when the derelict tipped over and lay flat on the
> > ground... "My god - that's not the correct angle"... :)
>
> ;' ))) ME TOO!!! (Sad feckers that we are!)
Haha!
> > Oh of course it's set up for a sequel. Every single movie made
> > nowadays are set up for sequels, and I hate it. I don't hate sequels,
> > I hate it when the script of the first movie is written to make a
> > sequel with the same titular character possible. Not open-ended, but
> > rather "oh, here we go to explore the galaxy! - Maybe you can see us
> > do that and what perils that may ential soon? *wink wink*"
>
>
> Ooooooo!!! When you put it THAT way !!
>
> WHEN'S PROMETHEI ????
> (plural of Prometheus!)
I'm holding out for the Promethuology :)
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Sandman[.net]
"Covenant" <covenantWITH...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > Well, even though the DC validates this, I don't think the thousands
> > of eggs in the Derelict were former victims.
>
> I think they were orignally intended to be.
> (I think it's "The Book of Alien" where this is mentioned....?)
We need a second opinion :)
> > Well, even though the DC validates this, I don't think the thousands
> > of eggs in the Derelict were former victims.
>
> I think they were orignally intended to be.
> (I think it's "The Book of Alien" where this is mentioned....?)
> > It's a "face hugger" in the sense that it inserts something in his
> > body through his face, there really are no other similarities... No
> > legs, no tail.
>
> Well, thats the thing...
> Until the last shot of the SJ falling backwards I didn't even *think* face
> hugger til then.
> But when you see the thing lying atop him, it is really very similar.
> (True doesn't have the same skeletal structure, but it does have *legs*
> (tentacles) there was too much slipping going on to see if there was
> anything like a tail.
>
> My take on this is that it was ultimately created through the *goo* proces
> and not the *victim into egg* process!
> Ta-Da! ;' ))
Alien :)
> > No, the chest burster in Alien is a stage in the life cycle of the
> > Alien. In Prometheus, this part is skipped and what bursts out of the
> > chest is a fully developed (albeit possibly not full grown) Alien.
>
> Actually that is a very good point, but again, taking it from the *goo*
> process and not the... (etc) it's a possibiility
> (Well, not a possibility.. it's canon now!)
> OR maybe what we see at the end IS a chestburster as it forms inside an SJ!
> The arguement against that of course is that if we share EXACTLY the same
> DNA then why would there be that much difference.
> (But then if we have EXACTLY the same DNA then why are there such radical
> differences between the species?)
> > Is it? The only time we ever see anything confirming that the SJ even
> > is on another planet is when they "impregnate" the earth, which sort
> > of is the exact opposite of "subjugate" :)
>
> Mmmm... not really.
> Earth seeding was a form of colonisation (I would assume?)
> But subjegation would be for planets with indigenous life that they wanna
> get rid of!
wanted to subjugate other planets other than to assume that they're a
pretty aggressive race. But then again, this is from a scene where
this one dude has been sleeping for 2000 years or something like that.
Probably just bad morning temper. :)
> > Guesses, of course. The effects of the goo in Prometheus has no
> > correlation to the coccooning in Alien.
>
> Oh hey, it's ALL guesses!! ;' )
> > Why. The. Fuck. Not??
> > My first doubt was when the derelict tipped over and lay flat on the
> > ground... "My god - that's not the correct angle"... :)
>
> ;' ))) ME TOO!!! (Sad feckers that we are!)
> > Oh of course it's set up for a sequel. Every single movie made
> > nowadays are set up for sequels, and I hate it. I don't hate sequels,
> > I hate it when the script of the first movie is written to make a
> > sequel with the same titular character possible. Not open-ended, but
> > rather "oh, here we go to explore the galaxy! - Maybe you can see us
> > do that and what perils that may ential soon? *wink wink*"
>
>
> Ooooooo!!! When you put it THAT way !!
>
> WHEN'S PROMETHEI ????
> (plural of Prometheus!)
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