>Hi there I am in immediate need of the device that Ripley used to fend
>herself against the mother Alien that was attacking her on the ship
>(in space) of the movie Aliens. This machine does exist in the real
>non-fictious world today and is used in construction work. What is
>its name?
>
>
Low loader ?? or something close......??
Paul `Mclane` Irvine
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> Hi there I am in immediate need of the device that Ripley used to fend
>
> herself against the mother Alien that was attacking her on the ship
> (in space) of the movie Aliens. This machine does exist in the real
> non-fictious world today and is used in construction work. What is
> its name?
Power Loader.
I'd swear I heard it called a "power loader" but can't really recall
where I heard or saw that term.
Eric
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In the movie it was called a power loader....As for it being used now, I
don't think so. But there was a machine like it made back in the 70's.
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> >Low loader ?? or something close......??
>
> I'd swear I heard it called a "power loader" but can't really
recall
> where I heard or saw that term.
ripley just calls it a loader as far as i can remember, the dialogue goes,
ripley: i feel like kind of a fifth wheel around here, is there any thing i
can do?
appone: i don't know, is there anything you can do?
ripley: well i can drive one of those loader. i have a class 2 rating.
appone: be my guest.
..
..
.
.
or something like that
ismaan
> Paul Irvine wrote:
> >
> > The other Day lja...@odyssey.on.ca wrote:
> >
> > >Hi there I am in immediate need of the device that Ripley used to
> fend
> > >herself against the mother Alien that was attacking her on the ship
>
> > >(in space) of the movie Aliens. This machine does exist in the
> real
> > >non-fictious world today and is used in construction work. What is
>
> > >its name?
> > >
> > >
> > Low loader ?? or something close......??
> >
> > Paul `Mclane` Irvine
> > --------------------
> > * www.dellos.demon.co.uk *
>
> In the movie it was called a power loader....As for it being used now,
> I
> don't think so. But there was a machine like it made back in the
> 70's.
>
I have heard a story of a secret military project at Berkley of them
trying to build a real power loader.
In the film it's just a loader. In the script and to the crew it's a
powerloader. (The model kit was called a 'Class 2 Powerloader'.)
Trivia: the ones in the film have the 'caterpillar' logo on them.
And no, there has never been anything like this built. We've had this
discussion before. Cameron himself admits that in real life, it wouldn't
be much use.
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: >
: I have heard a story of a secret military project at Berkley of them
: trying to build a real power loader.
Jesus, will you keep it low! Now they're gonna kill you!
Its called a powerloader and no it doesn't exist in real life despite
what you may have heard to the contrary. It was made of polysterene for
close shots and models for others.
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> Hi there I am in immediate need of the device that Ripley used to fend
>
> herself against the mother Alien that was attacking her on the ship
> (in space) of the movie Aliens. This machine does exist in the real
> non-fictious world today and is used in construction work. What is
> its name?
The machine that was used in (and built for) the film "Aliens" was
called a power loader. It does *not* exist in reality. The prop was a
combination of physical and stop motion effects. The physical prop was
a 200+ lb. fiberglas shell that was supported from the ceiling by wires,
movement was provided by a stuntman inside the loader mirroring the
movements of the actor. For long shots, stop motion animation was used.
Again, this machine does not really exist.
> >
> I have heard a story of a secret military project at Berkley of them
> trying to build a real power loader.
Tom Clancy stated in his nonfiction book "Armored CAV" that the
military is trying to develop powered body armor at Fort Benning, Ga.
>Hi there I am in immediate need of the device that Ripley used to fend
>herself against the mother Alien that was attacking her on the ship
>(in space) of the movie Aliens. This machine does exist in the real
>non-fictious world today and is used in construction work. What is
>its name?
>
>
It was a Loader. Built by Catapillar Tractor.
Oh sure there's use for the Powerloader -- BANK ROBBERIES!
"GIMMIE THE CASHHHHHH!!!"
In an early issue of "2000AD" (_many_ years ago) there was an episode of
"Judge Dredd" entitled "The Exo-Men", which was basically a swipe at the
very lax justice system we have in the UK and the "bleeding hearts" that
are held to be responsible.
The title referred to criminals who were using devices like the
PowerLoader to rob banks; this episode, incidentally, contains the immortal
line "You cannot bribe or threaten me because I am a robot bank manager.
That's why robot bank managers were invented!" (work that one out, if you
can :-).
Anyway, my point is that this episode predates "Aliens" by a few years and
I was quite surprised to see a PowerLoader in the film. Guess great ideas
always get thought up by many people.
Martin
>> And no, there has never been anything like this built. We've had this
>> discussion before. Cameron himself admits that in real life, it wouldn't
>> be much use.
>Oh sure there's use for the Powerloader -- BANK ROBBERIES!
> "GIMMIE THE CASHHHHHH!!!"
That's "Gimme the cash, you bitch!" ;)
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>Kevin Thomas (klth...@mindspring.com) wrote:
>: >
>: I have heard a story of a secret military project at Berkley of them
>: trying to build a real power loader.
>Jesus, will you keep it low! Now they're gonna kill you!
Kevin Thomas can no longer reply to you. We will be in touch with you
shortly.
Cheerfully yours,
Your friends at the Pentagon.
>The apparatus Ripley wears in her final fight in "ALIENS" is called a
>"waldo". I have forgotten the reason why.
The term "waldo" comes from an old SF book (something by Heinlein, I
believe) where it refers only to the "mechanical hands" we've seen in
lots of places (eg: "Andromeda Strain", and in real life). I don't
remember why they called 'em waldos in the book either. I think it
was just a pet name. (??) In any case, the gizmo in "Aliens" was
called a "loader", not a "waldo", as I remember it.
Also, although many have stated that such a machine does not exist in
real life, many *parts* of it do. Waldos (mechanical hands) are a
perfect example. [There was also a great bit in the movie "Dave"
where Kevin Klein says "I once caught a fish THIS BIG!" while
gesturing with an oversized pair of waldos.]
I bet if you could build one of those "power loaders" you'd make a
pretty penny, though.
Cheers!
-- Taiwan John
"Powerloader."
Where does it exist and who makes it?
Doug
>lja...@odyssey.on.ca wrote:
>
>> Hi there I am in immediate need of the device that Ripley used to fend
>>
>> herself against the mother Alien that was attacking her on the ship
>> (in space) of the movie Aliens. This machine does exist in the real
>> non-fictious world today and is used in construction work. What is
>> its name?
>
> Power Loader.
>
Severall companies fiddled with this time of machine somewhere in the
'70s, UNDERWATER work. I have a schematic of a diver in a suit that
looks a lot like Ripley's queen crusher (or power loader)
reason: one of the earlier science fiction writers, maybe robert
heinlein, called such devices "waldoes": they mirrored hand/wrist/etc
motions with power-intensification, or mineaturization (sic), or were
used in dangerous radioactive applications. sort of like how geeks
coined the word 'worms', and now we're stuck with it.
>Actually I believe it was Isaac Asimov in "Fantastic Voyage" that
>coined the term "Waldo".
Yep, how could I forget?!
Thanks Dave!
-- Taiwan John
: >Actually I believe it was Isaac Asimov in "Fantastic Voyage" that
: >coined the term "Waldo".
: Yep, how could I forget?!
Simple, because that is incorrect. The term Waldo was coined by Robert
Heinlein in the story Waldo. It is available in the volume, "Waldo and
Magic Incorporated," though I don't know if it is still in print. The
term Waldo was not derived from the function of the device in any way.
In the story in which Heinlein originated (or popularized) the concept
of the waldo, the main character's name happens to be Waldo and he is
the inventor of the mechanical hand that reproduces the motions of the
operator wearing sensing gloves. In the story the device was named for
the inventor and made him a pile of money. If Heinlein had named the
character Lorenzo, then supposedly the device would be called a
Lorenzo.
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> "Powerloader."
>
> Where does it exist and who makes it?
>
> Doug
Nowhere and noone. It was an effect. Nothing more.
> the inventor and made him a pile of money. If Heinlein had named the
> character Lorenzo, then supposedly the device would be called a
> Lorenzo.
Then people would be attributing large powerful mechanical hands to
Lorenzo Lamas....eh? "The term 'Lorenzos' comes from Lorenzo Lamas,
whose behavior the mechanism was supposed to imitate. Bulletproof,
strong, and of no intellectual interest whatsoever."
grins
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>On Wed, 04 Jun 1997 00:59:48 GMT, davidb...@tech-center.com (David
>Bullock) wrote:
>
>>Actually I believe it was Isaac Asimov in "Fantastic Voyage" that
>>coined the term "Waldo".
>
>Yep, how could I forget?!
>
>Thanks Dave!
>
>-- Taiwan John
>
>
Hmm, interesting , I was under the impression that the term
was derived from Heinleins short story 'Waldo and Magic Inc.'
I'm pretty sure that Heinlein has taken credit for coining
the term.
Steven
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it's name : it's a POWERLOADER
Gtx
I don't know, but it was designed by caterpillar. I didn't know that it was
really functioning , do you have pics of it ?
I know someone in the netherlands who imports caterpillar machines, I could
ask him if he knows this thing, if I only had a picture of it.
Good Luck..
BTW: A pulse rifle/ incinerator unit would be neat too huh ?
R.A.H. did invent the term Waldo, NOT Isaac Asimov. The story was about a
(very) rich inventor, called Waldo, who was too weak to live on earth so he
had his home on an orbiting space station. he used these Waldo hands of all
sizes from the very big down to the microscopic.
The only other thing that I remember that this character invented was a
lighting system that never had a light source that you could see.
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>The term "waldo" comes from an old SF book (something by Heinlein, I
>believe) where it refers only to the "mechanical hands" we've seen in
>lots of places (eg: "Andromeda Strain", and in real life). I don't
>remember why they called 'em waldos in the book either. I think it
>was just a pet name. (??)
Could it be because the name of the main character was Waldo? Just a
thought :-)
--William
When you're up to your ass in alligators,
it's hard to remember that your initial objective
was to drain the swamp.
If you recall in Heinlein's "Starship Trooper" one of the central
concepts was the use of "Power Suits", advanced military versions of the
Sulacco's powerloaders. Nitto, a Japanese Model importer made some
powered armor models that I always thought followed HeinLein's models
closely.
Brad
Space cadet, and proud of it !!
> I don't know, but it was designed by caterpillar. I didn't know that it was
> really functioning , do you have pics of it ?
> I know someone in the netherlands who imports caterpillar machines, I could
> ask him if he knows this thing, if I only had a picture of it.
>
> Good Luck..
>
> BTW: A pulse rifle/ incinerator unit would be neat too huh ?
The powerloader in Aliens was a two part system. It was part Marionette
controlled by cables. The whole structure was made of lightweight
plastic
so it would be easy to control. It was also part copycat machine. This
made it behave just like you see in the movie. Actually a lot you see
in aliens actually worked. Including the rifles and such.
Riply was actually strapped inside the powerloader which was then moved
by a system rigged at the back of the machine ( I believe they
re-used part of it in "the Abyss"
There was also a stop motion miniature of the powerloader which you
see in the full screen parts ( could also be motion controlled )
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It exists in the mind of James Cameron and it was made by the production
crew of the movie "Aliens".
> Hicks wrote:
>
> > I don't know, but it was designed by caterpillar. I didn't know that
> it was
> > really functioning , do you have pics of it ?
> > I know someone in the netherlands who imports caterpillar machines,
> I could
> > ask him if he knows this thing, if I only had a picture of it.
> >
> > Good Luck..
> >
> > BTW: A pulse rifle/ incinerator unit would be neat too huh ?
>
> The powerloader in Aliens was a two part system. It was part
> Marionette
> controlled by cables. The whole structure was made of lightweight
> plastic
> so it would be easy to control. It was also part copycat machine. This
>
> made it behave just like you see in the movie. Actually a lot you see
> in aliens actually worked. Including the rifles and such.
>
> Riply was actually strapped inside the powerloader which was then
> moved
> by a system rigged at the back of the machine ( I believe they
> re-used part of it in "the Abyss"
>
> There was also a stop motion miniature of the powerloader which you
> see in the full screen parts ( could also be motion controlled )
>
> Martin
Sorry guy your weong on both counts. The full size version was a man in
a suit. Sigourney Weaver basically walked on the feet of the guy inside.
The miniature was a cable actuated rod puppet. No stop motion.
>Actually I believe it was Isaac Asimov in "Fantastic Voyage" that
>coined the term "Waldo".
Its from the Heinlien book _Waldo & Magic Inc._.
>The apparatus Ripley wears in her final fight in "ALIENS" is called a
>"waldo". I have forgotten the reason why.
NO, sorry a "waldo" is a mechanical arm which was originally used to handle
dangerous material. It was named after a device described in a short novel by
Robert Heinlien called Waldo and the inventer named it a waldo in honor of
heinlien.
Carter
Wrong wrong wrong. Ike did not invent the term.
It comes from a short novel by robert heinlien called Waldo. The lead character
invented mechinacial arms in the story and his name was waldo. The man who
really invented them years later called his invention waldos as a tribute to
heinlien.
Carter Stevens
>-- Taiwan John
>
>
The original poster indicated thta someone had actually made one, which
is the nature of my question. I seriously doubt it exists, which is
the reason for my question.
Doug
I'm not really responding to this message in particular...
> The original poster indicated thta someone had actually made one, which
> is the nature of my question. I seriously doubt it exists, which is
> the reason for my question.
Why is this thread still around? No one has any new information. There is
no real version of this thing, so why does it require this much
discussion? People continue to post a whole bunch of nothing.
Anyway, I'm just wondering; I don't really care that much.
That being said, I just saw this spaceship in a movie called Star Wars.
Where can I buy one of these? Also, has anyone ever visited Jurassic Park?
;)
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Right, it was Robert A. Heinlein's story "Waldo" that introduced it.
Careful of the author's name, though, it is not spelled as shown above
(a minor point) :)
> Sorry guy your weong on both counts. The full size version was a man in
> a suit. Sigourney Weaver basically walked on the feet of the guy inside.
Yeah right so the guy inside had to carry the suit and riply !!!!
The mother alien was two guys in a suit, maybe you got confused.
I suggest you better read your literature, might I suggest Cinefex
to start with ??
> The miniature was a cable actuated rod puppet. No stop motion.
Excuse me ? I did not only said "stop motion" but I said:
probably "motion control" this is exactly what you write.
> In <3398C1...@indigo.ie.remove> "A. W." <mn...@indigo.ie.remove>
> writes:
> >
> >Doug Tricarico wrote:
> >> "Powerloader."
> >>
> >> Where does it exist and who makes it?
> >>
> >> Doug
> >
> >It exists in the mind of James Cameron and it was made by the
> production
> >crew of the movie "Aliens".
>
It also spurred a lot of thinking amongst the engineering minded small
business types. I briefly worked for a small company that had received an
SBIR (Small Business Innovation Research) grant from the air force to
produce one of these things. They wanted it for loading ordinance or
something. Anyhow, this company had worked out a lot of the details.
They had a demonstration device that would let you move a hundred+ pound
weight back-and-forth like it was a baseball. I left before it was
finished. I dont believe that they ever solved the balance problem, but
the upper body part would still be pretty effective attached to the front
of a forklift body.
There, at one time, was a researcher at the University of Minnesota who
had a huge hydraulic arm that he was working on.
As far as I know, this is about as close to the "Powerloader" and anyone
has gotten.
Bob DeMers
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>Hey everyone
>
>
>Why is this thread still around? No one has any new information. There is
>no real version of this thing, so why does it require this much
>discussion? People continue to post a whole bunch of nothing.
>Anyway, I'm just wondering; I don't really care that much.
>That being said, I just saw this spaceship in a movie called Star Wars.
>Where can I buy one of these?
I think Han's selling his. He got a new one I believe. As for
Jurassic Park, InGen says I"m not allowed to talk about that.
>Also, has anyone ever visited Jurassic Park?
>;)
>
>see ya
>
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