rumor of LAMBERT RAPE SCENE!
James Seay
Well, sorry to pop all of your bubbles out there, but, for the
most part, IT'S TRUE!
The reason why I say this is that in an interview with
Veronica Cartwright (taken from the Cinemafantastique Oct. issue of
'79) talks about how they're filming this scene with reaction shots of
her and Yaphet screaming and the like, and the next thing she knows
she's being hung up on a meat hook. When asked why, she says that she
thinks the Alien rapes her in this scene (or at least that's the
allusion- the way her screams sound and the fact that her PANTS are
missing in the particular scene when Ripley comes into the room).
The whole point is that Ridley Scott wanted the movie to be
as unsettling as possible. Now, as far as the "Lambert death scene",
what is more horrifying: her simply being killed, or being raped to
death by this gruesome thing? The fact that the Alien was supposed to
be a form of hermaphrodite, with a focus on the feminine side, makes
the thought even uglier (which is the point; if you're cringing
already, Ridley did his job ).
The All Powerful OZ HAS SPOKEN
Anonymous
> Well, sorry to pop all of your bubbles out there, but, for the
> most part, IT'S TRUE!
> The All Powerful OZ HAS SPOKEN
The All Powerful Oz missed one thing.
Lambert wears cowboy boots. Brett wears sneakers.
In the movie, when Lambert is "raped" (or whatever), you see the tail sneak
between...Brett's sneakers! Yep, no insert of cowboy boots, so Brett's
sneakers did the job in the editing room.
Poor old Brett. An "Alien Colonic", anyone...?
Russell Montgomery
Well, sorry to pop all of your bubbles out there, but, for the
> most part, IT'S TRUE!
> The reason why I say this is that in an interview with
> Veronica Cartwright (taken from the Cinemafantastique Oct. issue of
> '79) talks about how they're filming this scene with reaction shots of
> her and Yaphet screaming and the like, and the next thing she knows
> she's being hung up on a meat hook. When asked why, she says that she
> thinks the Alien rapes her in this scene (or at least that's the
> allusion- the way her screams sound and the fact that her PANTS are
> missing in the particular scene when Ripley comes into the room).
I believe the operative word in the interview is "thinks".
Tamara
M. Lynch
Anonymous wrote:
>
> The All Powerful Oz missed one thing.
>
> Lambert wears cowboy boots. Brett wears sneakers.
>
> In the movie, when Lambert is "raped" (or whatever), you see the tail sneak
> between...Brett's sneakers! Yep, no insert of cowboy boots, so Brett's
> sneakers did the job in the editing room.
>
Good Call!
In the original script Brett didn't get his skull popped by the alien's
secondary jaws (as we saw in the theater and on video) - he got his head
crushed between the alien's massive hansd and stung with the alien's
tail.
I'm going to say this again: The point of rape is not to commit a
sexual act. It's to assert power over a victim, to belittle them - not
to have sex with them. In that interview Veronica Cartwright, herself,
stated that she wasn't even sure what was going on between the alien and
her character. Ridley Scott (if this was in fact his intention)
successfully created a bewildering sequence in which we never really
know what is going on... all we do know is that the outcome is not in
favor of Parker of Lambert. So if the point of rape is to assert
dominance over a victim, to belittle someone, then why would the alien
feel the need to do this? The aliens, from what we have seen in the
films, act on a complex mesh of instincts - perhaps their strongest is
that of survival. So why, I ask you, would such a creature suddenly
decide to rape a human - a creature that is not even remotely close to
its own species? Why would a creature so bent on survival suddenly take
time out of its necessary schedule of killing and feeding to rape a
prospective host in the middle of an attack? Where in its instincts
would it have the need to rape prey? And why would such and instinct
exist? And why use its tail? A portion of its anatomy design
specifically to imobilize prey for embryo implantation? Not to mention
Lambert's reaction was strickingly similar to that of someone in a state
of mixed fear and pain... rather like a terrified person getting a
stinger the width of the average thumb stuck in the small of her back
(also her breathing was very similar to that of someone who just got a
rather nasty sting from a sting ray).
Personally saying the alien raped Lambert is right up there with stating
that a wasp is raping a spider when it paralyzes, and lays an egg on it
so that the wasp larva has something to feed on as it grows.
--
M. Lynch
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THOMAS KORNFELD
I think that the alien of the FIRST movie (I like the others but do not
think they are in the same league as the first) is the utter
personification of evil. In this context, due to it being so UTTERLY evil,
sure, why not take some time out and torture some prey, much like a cat
does to a mouse? If you remember,after killing Parker, the alien slowly
makes his way towards Lambert, utterly savoring the "pleasure" that it
will give "itself" in torturing this "prize".
Just my interpretation -- maybe I've watched it too much.
Tom
it wont give up it wants me dead
goddamn this noise inside my head
------NIN
A.W.
THOMAS KORNFELD wrote:
>
> I think that the alien of the FIRST movie (I like the others but do not
> think they are in the same league as the first) is the utter
> personification of evil. In this context, due to it being so UTTERLY evil,
> sure, why not take some time out and torture some prey, much like a cat
> does to a mouse? If you remember,after killing Parker, the alien slowly
> makes his way towards Lambert, utterly savoring the "pleasure" that it
> will give "itself" in torturing this "prize".
> Just my interpretation -- maybe I've watched it too much.
fiction movie. Naturally the alien doesn't have sexual lusts and all
that but The fear generated by having a totally alien creature raping
someone is what Ridley Scott was after IMHO. Don't forget they
originally had totally different Ideas about the alien these included a
Robot or a man with kids strapped to him wrapped in a Rubber (or so it
says in the faq). It was made for the fright factor not to tell the
story of an alien species.
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Even if it does matter, does it matter that it matters?
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Boris Lorenz
> THOMAS KORNFELD wrote:
> >
> > I think that the alien of the FIRST movie (I like the others but do not
> > think they are in the same league as the first) is the utter
> > personification of evil. In this context, due to it being so UTTERLY evil,
> > sure, why not take some time out and torture some prey, much like a cat
> > does to a mouse? If you remember,after killing Parker, the alien slowly
> > makes his way towards Lambert, utterly savoring the "pleasure" that it
> > will give "itself" in torturing this "prize".
Ah well... Some kind of "de Sade-Alien"? No... I think that would ruin
the feeling of horror which shakes the audience everytime an Alien
appears. Scott took care not too brightly display the Alien because he
realized that the fictive extensions peoples' minds add to stories told
in pictures are by far more terrorizing than any movie-scene could ever
be. This has been H.P. Lovecraft's method to "compose" weird-fiction
novels (i.e. "Call Of Cthulu" or "The Dunwich Horror") and it truly is
the hardest but highest rewarded art of making horror movies.
> > Just my interpretation -- maybe I've watched it too much.
> > Tom
No, you simply CAN'T watch it too often...;)
A.W. wrote:
> Yes people seem to forget Alien is more a Horror movie than a Science
> fiction movie. Naturally the alien doesn't have sexual lusts and all
> that but The fear generated by having a totally alien creature raping
> someone is what Ridley Scott was after IMHO. Don't forget they
> originally had totally different Ideas about the alien these included a
> Robot or a man with kids strapped to him wrapped in a Rubber (or so it
> says in the faq). It was made for the fright factor not to tell the
> story of an alien species.
Yes and no. Ridley Scott asked H.R. Giger to do the Alien-design. Giger
is an swiss artist who specializes in acryl-, airbrush- and
matrix-painting in a unique surrealistic-technological style. His
"Biomechanoid"-series finally convinced Scott of Giger's art. He (Giger)
began to create some sort of story-line for an Alien-lifecycle, from the
eggs to the facehugger (the crawling little feats) and the chest-burster
to the fully developed Alien. He even designed a special table showing
the evolution of an Alien in an ancient style (supposed to be created by
the Aliens) which should have been shown in the egg-silo scene, but
Scott (and the Producers) finally did not take it up (for money's sake,
so they said).
This little background-story tells that you, A.W., are right, if it goes
for Scott and his vision of the film, but not for the Alien and its own
story. Keep in mind that H.R. Giger continued to develope the
Alien-story and his design till today (as it can be found in "H.R.
Giger's NECRONOMICON" parts I and II, as well as in the special
"Alien"-works he released).
c.u.,
Boris Lorenz
P.S.: Give the Alien-sequels a chance - part II is somehow mesmerizing,
too...
...and part III sucks, but that's my opinion...;)
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