watercolor
ah
Jan :)
"ah" <splif...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.watercolor.or.kr/main/?table=gallery_b_0&page=1&no=1&b=b&sk=lv&sh=ye&sf=year&sw=2000&ru=25&lay=u
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> http://tinyurl.com/8bye4
Very beautiful...<g>
Jan :)
ah
Aye.
Where do people find the time?
Giuseppe Bilotta
Where you find the time to look this things up.
--
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
"I weep for our generation" -- Charlie Brown
ah
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 07:39:21 GMT, ah wrote:
>
>> Jan :) wrote:
>>> "ah" <splif...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:_TpUe.154$R9.68@trnddc02...
>>>> http://www.watercolor.or.kr/main/?table=gallery_b_0&page=1&no=1&b=b&sk=lv&sh=ye&sf=year&sw=2000&ru=25&lay=u
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8bye4
>>>
>>> Very beautiful...<g>
>>
>> Aye.
>>
>> Where do people find the time?
>
> Where you find the time to look this things up.
Hmmm . . . I'll have to get back to you on that one, later.
Jan :)
Watercolor is a much more forgiving medium than oils or acrylics. I am not
much of an artist at all, especially, as far as well defined art is
concerned. I don't do people, structures or fruit well, but, I can do some
fairly nice, somewhat abstract, pictures with watercolors. I love the way
you can mix the colors and get a variation of the color in each brush stroke
as it is applied. I have also worked with smal and medium porous sponges
with both water colors and waterbased paints. I think you can use a wider
variety of mediums with watercolors, and it takes less time to do a picture
with water colors than oils, latex or acrylics.
For one...it dries much faster...... ;-)
Jan :)
Peter McCormack
And Corel (formerly Fractal) Painter dries even faster than that, without
the risk of spills. ;-)
Try the demo - it's quite satisfying.
--
Peter
Jan :)
"Peter McCormack" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Yes...nicely so...but, there is just something about holding a brush in the
hand, and setting your inner self free. I have been able to create some
very nice things with PowerPoint and other programs, not CorelDraw yet too
much, but, it is not the same as doing it with the hand, which is far more
attached to the spirit than the mouse or keyboard. <g>
Jan :)
Peter
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>
> Yes...nicely so...but, there is just something about holding a brush in the
> hand, and setting your inner self free. I have been able to create some very
> nice things with PowerPoint and other programs, not CorelDraw yet too much,
> but, it is not the same as doing it with the hand, which is far more attached
> to the spirit than the mouse or keyboard. <g>
>
Wacom.
http://www.wacom.com/
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Peter
Jan :)
"Peter" <peterne...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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Now that looks like fun! <g>
Jan :)
Jan :)
"tm" <t...@tmoero.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Jan :\)" wrote:
>> "Peter"wrote in message> " Scott's countless hours of drawing with traditional tools led to a
> repetitive stress condition called focal dystonia. When he could no
> longer draw with his right hand, he tried drawing left-handed but
> found it a little too slow for his liking."
> http://www.wacom.com/dilbert/index.cfm
>
> heh. What a wienie.
True...when you think of those who have no hands, yet, have learned to
create beautiful artwork using their barefeet/toes. Some have learned how
to paint holding the brush in their mouths. But...having suffered RSS
(Repetitive Stress Syndrome) in both arms and hands for 3 years, which is
very painful, I can truly understand why they chose to change their method.
Jan :)
EW
> Some have learned how
> to paint holding the brush in their mouths.
http://www.lunenburgartgallery.com/Collections.htm
Peter McCormack
Oh, I agree completely but it's one of the delights of computing that it
can put the results of skills that were the preserve of a comparative few
within the reach of many.
--
Peter
Peter McCormack
Wacom's description of focal dystonia - as being the result of a repetitive
stress condition - leaves a bit to be desired:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/dystonias/detail_dystonias.htm
--
Peter
ah
There's a 6x8 USB on the shelf over <- whenever you want to use it..
ah
Spittin' images.
Peter
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http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/lit-med-db/webdocs/webdescrips/brown1402-des-.html
--
Peter
DE
>>>Wacom.
>>>
>>>http://www.wacom.com/
>>
>>Now that looks like fun! <g>
>
> There's a 6x8 USB on the shelf over <- whenever you want to use it..
I would love to get one for an artist friend of mine, but I was
wondering ... is a 6x8 useful? What is the best size for a true
artist who's learning to use the computer, that size or larger or just
"as much as you can afford"? And what's the best buy, recommendations
from the graphics-oriented here?
Thanks. (Wish they were not so _expensive_.)
-- DE
Jan :)
I would never consider such people a weinie. They are truly winners. <G>
Jan :)
>
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Jan :)
Where!?!?! You never told me about that! Show me!
Jan :)
Jan :)
Amen! And if it were not for such, I'd find myself with even more
frustrated creative juices. <g>
Jan :)
>
> --
> Peter
EW
Yeah. The dominance of the spirit over the body.
CL
> Oh, I agree completely but it's one of the delights of computing that it
> can put the results of skills that were the preserve of a comparative few
> within the reach of many.
Like so many other things, all technology does is to put advanced skills
into the hands of people who can't really handle the basics. It
increases the supply of kitsch and crap in the marketplace.
Having hung out with the Sundance Competitions Committee folks a time or
three, I have seen evidence that the Sony hand-held video camera has
changed moviemaking so that there are now thousands more people who can
_prove_ they don't know spit about plot, lighting, and pacing drawn from
the ranks of people who previously would have just sat around coffee
shops wearing berets, drinking coffee, and smoking cigarettes while
writing their new script concept on rolls of shelf paper and referring
to Hollywood actors by their first names.
I am sure that certain Corel and Photoshop products, together with
various input devices, are doing the same thing to "art" on an
ever-increasing basis.
CL
Peter
The simpelist and easiest tools to use are pencil and paper. The same was
said about film cameras, etc. All the digital tools do is help the
presentation look clean and neat. Junk will always be junk, regardless of
the medium. There is little that can be done with photoshop that I could not
do with film. PhotoShop simply makes things easier.
I was recently involved in planning a digital manipulation session meeting
for my camera club. We all agreed that we would emphasize the basics of
composition and subject presentation, rather than a how to use the tools.
--
Peter
CL
I disagree, I believe products like Photoshop increase the speed and
frequency with which people ignore the basics and gives that average
/*bakachon/ user the ability to imagine that, with just a little more
extra tweaking, he or she can turn that 1,396th photo of Flossie the cat
when she was a kitten into something befitting a Georgia O'Keefe or
Ansel Adams exhibit.
Sadly, photography requires a knowledge of composition in the lens that
about 99.9% of the population just doesn't get. And no amount of new
technology is going to change that.
* bakachon = a Japanese term that is a combination of "idiot" (baka)
with the sound a shutter makes (chon). It refers to those fully
automatic box cameras that let people point and shoot all sorts of
things no one else really wants to see a print of.
> I was recently involved in planning a digital manipulation session meeting
> for my camera club. We all agreed that we would emphasize the basics of
> composition and subject presentation, rather than a how to use the tools.
Maybe you should start with "is photography for you or should you invest
in a lot of picture books done by the few people who really know what
you'll never understand"?
CL
Peter McCormack
Do you guys never, ... you know, talk?
--
Peter
Peter McCormack
That's a given - mechanical facility isn't ever going to be a substitute
for judgement or vision. If it isn't already in your head to begin with,
having the tools to communicate won't bring about a transformation.
--
Peter
CL
The big difference is that before the advent of the software and tools,
people of marginal ability would have remained too embarrassed to
inflict their stuff on other people, and their "creations" would have
lain untapped, untried, or mercifully unknown.
Now there are reams upon reams of paper and mile after mile of videotape
and DVD being dedicated to proving that people without talent Really
Don't Have ANY Talent ... but, hey, as long as they've run it through
the printer or copier, they just can't help showing it to the world ...
which clogs up the limited resources of the judging system for people
with real talent.
As another example, ever been to a ceramics show where the third-year
class from the local kilns have an exhibit and the school just can't
help entering Mrs. Yamazaki's sushi plate into competition against the
fifteen Arita design specialists from Oita, all of whom are at least the
tenth generation of their family in the business? (HINT: It redefines
"ugly situation.")
CL
ah
Constantly . . . usually just too much to talk about. (I told her about the
tablet year ago <rdfc>)
Of course, it doesn't help I'm gone most of the time . . . .
ah
*sigh*
I'll be home at 8....
ah
> ah wrote:
>> Jan :) wrote:
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>>>"Peter" <peterne...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>>>>Wacom.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.wacom.com/
>>>
>>>Now that looks like fun! <g>
>>
>> There's a 6x8 USB on the shelf over <- whenever you want to use it..
>
> I would love to get one for an artist friend of mine, but I was
> wondering ... is a 6x8 useful? What is the best size for a true
I had a 4x5, and it was great; but, the 6x8 is just enough bigger that I feel
like I'm working with a drawing.
The USD $150+ price differential may be prohibitive..
> artist who's learning to use the computer, that size or larger or just
> "as much as you can afford"? And what's the best buy, recommendations
> from the graphics-oriented here?
Wacom has big A4 digitisers, and they most-probably excel at 1:1 working.
My 6x8 has about 2500 lpi resolution, so it can translate easilyt to a larger
document (15,000x20,000 pixel document, in this case), but the actual hand
movements are not 1:1 . . . the upside is there is less movement per on-screen
stroke <g>
Great tool, although I find less time than I envisioned where it can be used--I
never made the transition from pointer-puck to pad.
>
> Thanks. (Wish they were not so _expensive_.)
Boo-kuu buckos, aye.
Peter
> The big difference is that before the advent of the software and tools,
> people of marginal ability would have remained too embarrassed to inflict
> their stuff on other people, and their "creations" would have lain
> untapped, untried, or mercifully unknown.
That's a statement I totally disagree with. Martinis were invented to help
overcome the boredom of watching over/underexposed slides of "our vacation,"
or even worse the movies of their last trip to Boulder Dam.
One of my friends, who had heard the spiel "this is our hotel" too many
times, borrowed the film from his brother and just at the appropriate point
inserted a porn sequence.
So Charlie, junk has always been junk and evermore will be so.
--
Peter
.w
> "CL" <flo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:dg5p5d$9bu$1...@nnrp.gol.com...
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>
>>The big difference is that before the advent of the software and tools,
>>people of marginal ability would have remained too embarrassed to inflict
>>their stuff on other people, and their "creations" would have lain
>>untapped, untried, or mercifully unknown.
>
>
>
> That's a statement I totally disagree with. Martinis were invented to help
> overcome the boredom of watching over/underexposed slides of "our vacation,"
> or even worse the movies of their last trip to Boulder Dam.
Without sound and the couple narrating and getting into a disagreement,
who was filming at the time and if it was Wednesday or Thursday.
.w
Peter McCormack
Having now looked at the message timestamps, I see what you mean - contrary
to the mental image that particular dialogue conjured up of both of you
sitting side-by-side in silence, gazing at your respective monitors. ;-)
Well, not so much an image as I don't know what either of you look like ...
--
Peter
Deborah
>>>>
>>>> Where!?!?! You never told me about that! Show me!
>>>
>>> Do you guys never, ... you know, talk?
>>
>> Constantly . . . usually just too much to talk about. (I told
>> her about the tablet year ago <rdfc>)
>>
>> Of course, it doesn't help I'm gone most of the time . . . .
>
> Having now looked at the message timestamps, I see what you mean
> - contrary to the mental image that particular dialogue conjured
> up of both of you sitting side-by-side in silence, gazing at
> your respective monitors. ;-) Well, not so much an image as I
> don't know what either of you look like ...
>
> --
> Peter
>
>
Andrew's x-face resembles other pictures I've seen of him.
Peter McCormack
Ah, a bit like Darth Vader then?
--
Peter
Jan :)
"Peter McCormack" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Sure....we always make sure we cover the really important things.....and we
talk at dinner....if we don't watch a movie....<g>
Jan :)
>
> --
> Peter
DE
Good, cuz there is more to life than talking.
> we talk at dinner....if we don't watch a movie....<g>
Oh ... oops.
-- DE
Deborah
@individual.net:
>
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>> Andrew's x-face resembles other pictures I've seen of him.
>
> Ah, a bit like Darth Vader then?
>
> --
> Peter
>
Possibly...the early years.
Jan :)
"Peter McCormack" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Well....I guess that to many here....our life at first glance may look
something like "I Love Lucy", Andrew being the ever patient, very hard
working, wise, and level footed one. I tend to be more like Lucy...a bit
spastic, spontaneous, always into something, the ever curious cat, more the
hapless clown even when I try to be serious. However, there's no Ethel
Mertz so I wind up playing both parts....which causes even more
confusion...on both sides.
I'm involved with several local projects, and I do have two part time jobs
to date, and working on a full time job in addition. I am also developing a
custom Access database program for a local client, am a help responder on
various MS newsgroups and Internet forums, am the Secretary to the Board of
Directors of a local technology organization, which covers our entire
County. So....yeah...I am very busy most of the time too.
We just enjoy cutting up and joking with each other here as well. :o)
Jan :)
Jan :)
"Peter" <peter...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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However, for people like myself, the various graphic programs have allow us
to realize some modicum of experience of putting our inner artistic feelings
and such into some physical form, which we may not have been able to do
otherwise.
What one person considers ugly, another considers a thing of beauty. That
is what makes the world such a wondrous place. Some people create what they
consider artworks with small sticks, rocks, etc. When I was 26 y/o I made
Native American Squash Blossom necklaces by hand, using safety pins,
Turquoise hishi beads, pinion nuts, various species of seed pods and nuts.
I also made matching earrings and bracelets. I sold the sets for over
$100.00 USD each. I could make then in any color. Each was unique, no one
set was like any other, so they were all a custom set. But, for me to draw
one is impossible. I still have one that I made special for my momma, and
she wore it proudly all those years. When I go back next month to see my
dad, I hope to be able to it back with me to keep for her.
Jan :)
Jan :)
"Deborah" <cel...@yaspamisnotwelcomedhoo.com> wrote in message
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Ohhh...nononononononono!. Très bon !!
Jan :)
Jan :)
"DE" <now...@all.disorg> wrote in message
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Of course....
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>> we talk at dinner....if we don't watch a movie....<g>
>
> Oh ... oops.
Well....it's not that often......and sometimes ya just feel like a nut....
<vbg>
Jan :)
>
> -- DE
Deborah
Jan, I can't believe you left *that* barn door open!
Jan :)
Oh...welll....I didn't mean that kind. But....then again....it depends on
the movie. Is that not why they invented Intermissions? :o)
Jan :)
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Deborah
(Scroll down.)
I'll say it for him: Filth! <g>
Peter
I express whatever there is of my artistic ability through photography,
Since I no longer have a darkroom at my disposal, I have switched to
digital. I am experiencing a tremendous learning curve. e.g. I am not at all
comfortable doing the digital manipulations necessary to get the effects I
am looking for.
--
Peter
Jan :)
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Yep! Smokin!!!!! <vbeg>
Jan :)
ah
Filth!
ah
LL!
DE
I know; I had to use fantastic restraint to avoid a comment about
"playing ball" or something equally inane!
-- DE
DE
TOO LATE!!!!
-- DE
Jan :)
Yes...that is the sad part of it. We have to take second seat to the things
we would like to do better. Thus....the level of satisfaction suffers as
well.
Jan
Deborah
Braggart!
Jan :)
Yup! ;o)
Jan :)
ah
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Story of my life.