what about the possibility of this Conspiracy?
Clayton York
question I would like to ask everyone, regardless of political affiliations.
This is in reference to what I refer to as: "The Dumbing down of America"
Why hasn't anyone suggested the possibility of a Corporate Media attempt at
undermining the intellect of the American people and "Glorifying" behavior
of a subhumanoid type species.
For example: Shows such as Jerry Springer, the crap that MTV puts out from
Beavis and Butthead to "The Real World", and any other moronic sitcoms which
help numb the brain,which actually cause more long term damage then "Short
Attention Span", leading what I believe to be "Mass Retardation" of the
American public.
would any of you care to comment on this at all.
I think this is a subject that could be a "Legitimate" CONSPIRACY
Clayton York
Jerry Kurtyka <@elp.rr.com> wrote in message
news:zNac4.14$xL3...@newsr2.elp.rr.com...
> What do you think brought down the Soviet Union? We lofted satellites and
> beamed American pop culture to their masses; rotted 'em from the inside!
> It works.
There is a difference between "Intelligent Pop culture" and "Moronic Pop
Culture"
The Pop culture which helped bring down the Soviet Union due to mass Youth
Rebellion was The music of such recognized cultural Icons as: The Beatles,
Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, and Pink Floyd. In other words
these were mostly young intellectualized College educated Youth that were
tired of a Tyrannical system that allowed "NO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION", not a
bunch of Rabid Deginerate Rap Listening Youth(like the ones who set the
Trailers on fire at Woodstock '99), who prefer to solve their problems with
Guns instead of rationalizing with words..
There is certainly a difference of "Art" and the crap I was referring to
that MTV has been pushing for many years.
I hope you are intelligent enough to recognize the difference.
Andrew Carol
<aggra...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> There is certainly a difference of "Art" and the crap I was referring to
> that MTV has been pushing for many years.
>
> I hope you are intelligent enough to recognize the difference.
Sadly, your parents used EXACTLY the same definition of art and crap
when the Beatles came out with their loud offensive rock and roll.
And their parents thought jazz was crap and they should listen to
chamber music.
And their parents thought chamber music was crap and that we should
only sing in church and in latin to boot.
Perhaps a trend becomes slowly visible to your small mind? Perhaps the
whole point of youth music is to offend the older generation and that
the one consolation you can take is that THEIR kids will listen to
stuff which burn their ears. They will yell to their kids, "Why can't
you listen to the Meat Puppets like your mother and I?"
Oh well.....
Rick Norton
"Clayton York" <aggra...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:84r75n$igo$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net...
Jerry Kurtyka
beamed American pop culture to their masses; rotted 'em from the inside!
It works.
Clayton York wrote in message <84r75n$igo$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>...
Doug Berry
<aggra...@mindspring.com> found stone tablets, which when
translated read:
>This is in reference to what I refer to as: "The Dumbing down of America"
>
>Why hasn't anyone suggested the possibility of a Corporate Media attempt at
>undermining the intellect of the American people and "Glorifying" behavior
>of a subhumanoid type species.
>
>For example: Shows such as Jerry Springer, the crap that MTV puts out from
>Beavis and Butthead to "The Real World", and any other moronic sitcoms which
>help numb the brain,which actually cause more long term damage then "Short
>Attention Span", leading what I believe to be "Mass Retardation" of the
>American public.
*grin* One of my favorite quotes sounds much like this..
decrying the indolence of youth, and the lack of real culture. It
declares that the end is surely near.
It comes of a Sumerian clay tablet, c. 3900 BC.
Every generation looks back with fondness at their youthful days,
and is horrified by what today's youth do.
When I was a kid, I listened to KISS, watched the Brady Bunch,
wore polyester.. any number of things that shocked my parents..
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
"Conspiracy theory is the sophistication of the ignorant."
-Richard Grenier
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Doug Bartley
"Clayton York" <aggra...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Subject: what about the possibility of this Conspiracy?
>From: "Clayton York"
>Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:16:28 -0500
>Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
>
>I have been observing your posts for some time now, and there is one
>question I would like to ask everyone, regardless of political affiliations.
>
>This is in reference to what I refer to as: "The Dumbing down of America"
>
>Why hasn't anyone suggested the possibility of a Corporate Media attempt at
>undermining the intellect of the American people and "Glorifying" behavior
>of a subhumanoid type species.
>
>For example: Shows such as Jerry Springer, the crap that MTV puts out from
>Beavis and Butthead to "The Real World", and any other moronic sitcoms which
>help numb the brain,which actually cause more long term damage then "Short
>Attention Span", leading what I believe to be "Mass Retardation" of the
>American public.
>would any of you care to comment on this at all.
>I think this is a subject that could be a "Legitimate" CONSPIRACY
>
>
Important information does surface around here from time to time -
intelligent discussion thereof tends to get short-circuited pretty quickly
on the occasions it starts. The dumbing down of society generally certainly
affects Usenet, too.
You raise a good point though - TV is quite drug-like in its effects.
I can't remember where I read that the rapid-fire cuts and transitions
of modern TV can enhance the effect considerably. It certainly disrupts
social interaction.
One of the most chilling scenes I've seen about the effects of TV
is in the movie "Bye Bye Brazil" where there is a whole village
of Indians (the village is in the midst of recently logged former
rainforest) sitting mesmerized watching a sitcom on a single government-
provided TV... Damn, just realized I loaned that video to someone and
never got it back.
I'm old enough to remember the first time I saw TV at age four - in
rural Oregon when the people next door got one. No idea what, if anything,
was on, but it seemed like half the neighborhood were packed into
a darkened room looking at the thing...in retrospect I'm glad - at least
for that initial five years or so, to have grown up without it.
Regards,
- DB
AZimnolabz
> "Clayton York" <aggra...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Subject: what about the possibility of this Conspiracy?
> >From: "Clayton York"
> >Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
> >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:16:28 -0500
> >Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
> >
> >I have been observing your posts for some time now, and there is one
> >question I would like to ask everyone, regardless of political affiliations.
> >
> >This is in reference to what I refer to as: "The Dumbing down of America"
> >
> >Why hasn't anyone suggested the possibility of a Corporate Media attempt at
> >undermining the intellect of the American people and "Glorifying" behavior
> >of a subhumanoid type species.
> >
> >For example: Shows such as Jerry Springer, the crap that MTV puts out from
> >Beavis and Butthead to "The Real World", and any other moronic sitcoms which
> >help numb the brain,which actually cause more long term damage then "Short
> >Attention Span", leading what I believe to be "Mass Retardation" of the
> >American public.
> >would any of you care to comment on this at all.
> >I think this is a subject that could be a "Legitimate" CONSPIRACY
> >
effect of the pandering nature of todays media. If you want to see a real
showcase of Americas slow slide into idiocy, watch the "talking to americans"
segments on This Hour Has 22 Minutes, (a canadian news satire on the CBC)
Now that is funny.
>
> Important information does surface around here from time to time -
> intelligent discussion thereof tends to get short-circuited pretty quickly
> on the occasions it starts. The dumbing down of society generally certainly
> affects Usenet, too.
>
> You raise a good point though - TV is quite drug-like in its effects.
> I can't remember where I read that the rapid-fire cuts and transitions
> of modern TV can enhance the effect considerably. It certainly disrupts
> social interaction.
>
> rural Oregon when the people next door got one. No idea what, if anything,
> was on, but it seemed like half the neighborhood were packed into
> a darkened room looking at the thing...in retrospect I'm glad - at least
> for that initial five years or so, to have grown up without it.
>
"Religion is the opiate of the masses" and inquires to what it means.
Hobbes says he doesn't know. The television then thinks to itself,
"It means Karl Marx hasn't seen nothing yet."
It took me about 8 years to get that.
AZimnolabz: Psylocibe of the masses
AZimnolabz
> In article <84re0u$nqh$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>, Clayton York
> <aggra...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > There is certainly a difference of "Art" and the crap I was referring to
> > that MTV has been pushing for many years.
> >
> > I hope you are intelligent enough to recognize the difference.
>
> Sadly, your parents used EXACTLY the same definition of art and crap
> when the Beatles came out with their loud offensive rock and roll.
>
> And their parents thought jazz was crap and they should listen to
> chamber music.
>
> And their parents thought chamber music was crap and that we should
> only sing in church and in latin to boot.
>
> Perhaps a trend becomes slowly visible to your small mind? Perhaps the
> whole point of youth music is to offend the older generation and that
> the one consolation you can take is that THEIR kids will listen to
> stuff which burn their ears. They will yell to their kids, "Why can't
> you listen to the Meat Puppets like your mother and I?"
>
> Oh well.....
I believe the crap he was referring to was that which is not music, but
product, ie. Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears and the rest of the corporate
filth.
Any music produced for music's, not money's sake, is art. Any other is
crap. I believe that was the difference he referred to.
Mr. Gone
<aggra...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>I have been observing your posts for some time now, and there is one
>question I would like to ask everyone, regardless of political affiliations.
>
>This is in reference to what I refer to as: "The Dumbing down of America"
>
>Why hasn't anyone suggested the possibility of a Corporate Media attempt at
>undermining the intellect of the American people and "Glorifying" behavior
>of a subhumanoid type species.
>
>For example: Shows such as Jerry Springer, the crap that MTV puts out from
>Beavis and Butthead to "The Real World", and any other moronic sitcoms which
>help numb the brain,which actually cause more long term damage then "Short
>Attention Span", leading what I believe to be "Mass Retardation" of the
>American public.
>would any of you care to comment on this at all.
>I think this is a subject that could be a "Legitimate" CONSPIRACY
>
>
I certainly don't think it is a intentional conspiracy-the whole
dumbing down of America resulted from about 70 years + of the dumbing
down of American culture. Possibly beginning first with
expressionism/dadaist art movements post WWI...then moving on and on.
Now most of those ideas (Jazz, Rock'nRoll...et al), are recognized art
forms, and as such, merit the attention of the American audience. But
there have been times when a situation like you propose has been
close. I'm almost at the opinion that it was President Ronald Reagan
(along with Poindexter and Bush) who started the idea of the
Corporation as Bad Guy rolling...after all it was them who paid the
media hogwashes of money to cover up October-Suprise, (partly), and to
cover up their possibly misuse of funds to support the Civil Wars in
El Salvador and Nicaragua. Now, Reagan I sense as not a intentional
bad guy, but still, he had many Hollywood connections. Only Heston is
second in popularity there, as a Republican actor in a mostly liberal
dominated field. It could possibly be that North encouraged the
Gipper to call up Jane Wyman, et al, in order to ring true their
support for the "Freedom Fighters" in the Americas. Not that it was
at all a public event, but Wyman was a liberal, and her marriage to
Ronnie does contradict things a bit. As a
Conservative-sometimes-liberal, that makes the Reagan Administration
itself hard to understand. Imagine if a similar figure emerged out of
the backrooms of the business sector to win a Presidential
Election...someone like a Bush or Kennedy...
MrGoodSalt
Cloning of the American Mind: Eradicating Morality Through Education (1998)
B.K. Eakman Huntington House Publishers: Layfayette, LA. ISBN: 1-56384-147-9
p. 16 "This, of course, is the holy grail of social engineering. What certain
unsavory elements within the education establishment have discovered is that
they can use state-of-the-art technology to target political advertisements to
children, to obtain personal information about youngsters and their families,
then get into the belief systems of the students and correct the viewpoints
they find distasteful."
p. 20 "What this means for education is that the constitutionally protected
right to freedom of conscience is in serious jeapardy - not to mention the
future prospects of American youngsters."
Andrew Carol
<DieYan...@antisocial.com> wrote:
> I believe the crap he was referring to was that which is not music, but
> product, ie. Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears and the rest of the corporate
> filth.
>
> Any music produced for music's, not money's sake, is art. Any other is
> crap. I believe that was the difference he referred to.
Did Mozart work for free? He might have loved music, but he expected
to be paid for it. It's a very rare musicion who does it purely for
artistic reasons and they probably have real jobs.
This art versus money issue is crap. People listen to music because
they ENJOY it. Too many people are suckered into the pretensious art
critic world where music/art/fashion are "good" because a group of self
appointed czars say it is.
How dare anybody tell me I really must not be enjoying a song or movie
because it's not "art". The whole point of art is what it means to the
audience. If they enjoy it, that's all that matters.
Oh well......