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Warhol

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Jan 3, 2012, 4:37:24 AM1/3/12
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Protocols of Zion...

It seems when searching for the actual document on different search
engines, it can actually be quite difficult to find a complete text
version. Instead, one often finds numerous links to jewish sources
attempting to debunk the protocols, rather than the document it’s
self.

If the document were indeed a “forgery” as the jewish media claims it
to be, why is it that one could be shot and killed on sight for
mentioning this document in Bolshevik (jew) run Russia? Why is it when
the first (abridged) version of the protocols was published by Pavel
Krushevan, there was an attempt made on his life? See HERE.

After a homicidal attempt by a P. S. Dashevsky, it was reported that
Krushevan lived in constant fear, kept weapons close at hand and was
accompanied by a personal cook out of fear to be poisoned.

Another man by the name of Sergei Nilus published the first copy of
the protocols in full in Russia in 1905. Some information about him
can be found HERE. For this act, he was imprisoned and tortured by the
jewish Bolshevik “Cheka”, as per this source HERE.

In 1924 Professor Nilus was arrested in Kiev by the “Cheka”,
imprisoned, and then tortured. He was told by the president of the
court (who was Jewish) that this treatment was meted out to him for
”having done them incalculable harm in publishing the Protocols”. He
was freed afterwards, and detained again a few months later, this time
in Moscow; he was confined, and later sent to exile, where he died in
1929.

There are many other sources and revelations pertaining to the
protocols, but most important is the text contained within them, and
for this reason, the same copy contained in my book, will also be
archived here. It is my hope that many visitors here will actually
take it upon themselves to sit down and read through this disturbing
text, because without absorbing this knowledge, one can not be
expected to fully understand the enemy and their plans.

SYNOPSIS OF THE PROTOCOLS

Goyim are mentally inferior to Jews and can’t run their nations
properly. For their
sake and ours, we need to abolish their governments and replace them
with a single
government. This will take a long time and involve much bloodshed, but
it’s for a
good cause. Here’s what we’ll need to do:

* Place our agents and helpers everywhere
* Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
* Start fights between different races, classes and religions
* Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
* Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
* Appeal to successful people’s egos
* Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
* Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then
despotism
* Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
* Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
* Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
* Control the education system to spread deception and destroy
intellect
* Rewrite history to our benefit
* Create entertaining distractions
* Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
* Encourage people to spy on one another
* Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
* Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
* Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
* Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
* Replace sound investment with speculation
* Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
* Give bad advice to governments and everyone else

Eventually the Goyim will be so angry with their governments (because
we’ll blame
them for the resulting mess) that they’ll gladly have us take over. We
will then
appoint a descendant of David to be king of the world, and the
remaining Goyim will
bow down and sing his praises. Everyone will live in peace and
obedient order under
his glorious rule.

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

Use the links below to easily navigate to each section of the
protocols.

Table Of Contents

Preface

Introduction

Who are the Elders?

Protocol I The Basic Doctrine

Protocol II Economic Wars

Protocol III Methods of Conquest

Protocol IV Materialism Replace Religion

Protocol V Despotism and Modern Progress

Protocol VI Take-Over Technique

Protocol VII World-Wide Wars

Protocol VIII Provisional Government

Protocol IX Re-education

Protocol X Preparing for Power

Protocol XI The Totalitarian State

Protocol XII Control of the Press

Protocol XIII Distractions

Protocol XIV Assault on Religion

Protocol XV Ruthless Suppression

Protocol XVI Brainwashing

Protocol XVII Abuse of Authority

Protocol XVIII Arrest of Opponents

Protocol XIX Rulers and People

Protocol XX Financial Programme

Protocol XXI Loans and Credit

Protocol XXII Power of Gold

Protocol XXIII Instilling Obedience

Protocol XXIV Qualities of the Ruler

http://www.subvertednation.net/protocols-of-elders-of-zion/

Protocols of Zion are there to restore the King of the Mongols to
power... Zionist betrayed all yids to their turic masters... Soon
there shall be no more state of the Harlots... that false man made
state shall be more.

This what the Lord shall do to the juice while he restores the glory
of his true people... the downfall of our Edomite enemy during the
"Day of the Lord."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5htr4YrnAzo

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Obadiah+1&version=NIV


Brad Guth

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Jan 3, 2012, 5:56:15 AM1/3/12
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There's not much question that Moors could have done a better job for
us, of governing Earth as of thousands of years ago. However, it
seems your group dropped the ball several times. So, why should you
and others of your Moorish kind be given yet another do-over?

Obviously imposing honesty in government(s) would be an enormous
improvement, but is that enough?

How about off-world matters that'll make it possible for the 10+
billion humans to survive without wars?

Don't Moors still disbelieve in rockets? (seems a tad problematic)

http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Warhol

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Jan 3, 2012, 7:26:55 AM1/3/12
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No we don't believe in rockets... but we do believe in star-gates and
stairway's to heaven...

Come Fly with me to the Magic World of "1001 Nights" and the genius of
Moorish civilization.

The truth will break paradigms... We Moors operated star gateway's or
a wormholes linking Heaven and Earth. We genetically altered the human
body as a “resurrection machine” of “soul flower” to operate in
conjunction with this gateway. We possessed the secret science of
alchemy, the transmutation of the elements, through which we could
create weapons of mass destruction and advanced human beings... The
Shining Ones.

This remarkable story is of far greater significance in the Age of
Terror than most realize.

It is well known that the Great Baptizer, President Saddam Hussein,
has connected himself with Gilgamesh, spending over $500 million
during the 1980s on the reconstruction and the re-establishment of
ancient Babylon, the capitol of Nebuchadnezzar. Over sixty million
bricks have been made to place in the walls of Babylon, each engraved
with the inscription,

“To King Nebuchadnezzar in the reign of Saddam Hussein”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlihaLvfIlo

Buried deep beneath the sand of time are the secrets of the Shining
Ones... & Stargate Atlåntis. All told by the beautiful and sensual
Shahrazad in 1000 and 1 night's... the past, present and future...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1uuy1mb9Gk

Most unfortunately, you are almost entirely ignorant of the tenets of
Moorish magic...

It’s a time travel story. Wait! Don’t run if you don’t like time
travel stories! It’s a very different kind of time travel story. It’s
told in a kind of Arabian Nights sort of way, cloaking the science
fiction aspect in the words of myth and legend. If you don’t like time
paradoxes, you can actually rest easy here. I won’t spoil too much,
but just know that you should give this one a shot even if time travel
isn’t your thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZrAuXeRajA

The real beauty of this story is that it’s just as much about
storytelling as it is about time travel. It’s about the effect (or
lack thereof) that a story can have on a person. It’s about fate, the
prewritten “story” of your life, and how many people attempt to
rewrite their own story, improving themselves along the way. Of course
it’s also left to you to ask yourself, would you change your destiny?
Meet yourself? Rob yourself?

joeturn

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Jan 3, 2012, 1:11:54 PM1/3/12
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See what religion has done to warhol?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/08/110831-dark-matter-proof-gravity-quantum-theory-cern-space-science/

Warhol

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Jan 3, 2012, 5:27:29 PM1/3/12
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> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/08/110831-dark-matter-pr...



believe it or not....

you are a fulfillment of last day prophecy!

the Bible even talked about you!!!

They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will
follow their own ungodly desires."

Jude 1:18

Dennis

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Jan 3, 2012, 6:28:53 PM1/3/12
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Warhol wrote:

> Protocols of Zion...
>
> It seems when searching for the actual document on different search
> engines, it can actually be quite difficult to find a complete text
> version.

Funny, I've never had any trouble.

Old bullshit never dies, it just smells that way!

Dennis

joeturn

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Jan 3, 2012, 6:31:24 PM1/3/12
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> Jude 1:18- Hide quoted text -
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The Holy Babble is a compilation of Greek mythology and pagan worship
of astrology(multiple gods)

Constantine had them combined into a religon with only one god for
less contraversy.

Iesus was the mythological son of Zues and Isis greek translation
replaced the I witgh the letter J this is when jesus was born.King Sol
was born on December 25th and we celebrate his birthday in the winter
soltice.In the sumer soltice the Pagons celebrate Soltice with the
Creamation of Care at the Bohemian Grove,There they have human
sacrafices to appease their Sun God.

The twelve deciples were deceptionist, followers of satan(Iesus).

You are still under the influience of Government brain washing!

Why did GOD forsake Tim Tebow?

joeturn

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Jan 3, 2012, 6:49:57 PM1/3/12
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On Jan 3, 5:27 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jude 1:18- Hide quoted text -
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watch this and pay close attention warhol it is the closest thing to
the end times we will ever see.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8385928943445813330&hl=en#

Padraigh ProAmerica

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Jan 3, 2012, 6:56:43 PM1/3/12
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No one with an IQ over 3 beleievs th Czarist forgery "The Protocols of
the Learned Edlders of Zion."

Clearly wormhole, gurhbag, and slowjoe combined can't approach a total
IQ of 3.

Government Shill #2

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Jan 3, 2012, 7:09:27 PM1/3/12
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:24 -0800 (PST), joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The Holy Babble is a compilation of Greek mythology and pagan worship
>of astrology(multiple gods)
>
>Constantine had them combined into a religon with only one god for
>less contraversy.
>
>Iesus was the mythological son of Zues and Isis greek translation
>replaced the I witgh the letter J this is when jesus was born.King Sol
>was born on December 25th and we celebrate his birthday in the winter
>soltice.In the sumer soltice the Pagons celebrate Soltice with the
>Creamation of Care at the Bohemian Grove,There they have human
>sacrafices to appease their Sun God.
>
>The twelve deciples were deceptionist, followers of satan(Iesus).
>
>You are still under the influience of Government brain washing!
>
>Why did GOD forsake Tim Tebow?


contraversy
Zues
witgh
soltice
soltice
Soltice
Creamation
sacrafices
deciples
deceptionist
influience

Not getting any better, slowjoe!

Shill #2
--
Get help slowjoe - http://tinyurl.com/3zzjo2b

George152

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Jan 3, 2012, 7:28:22 PM1/3/12
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So they share an collective IQ of 2.1 slightly below that of warm cabbage

Brad Guth

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Jan 3, 2012, 11:10:41 PM1/3/12
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> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/08/110831-dark-matter-pr...

There certainly are times when our Warhol gets off the hook, although
he still means well.

Why introduce dark matter and antigravity?

Warhol

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Jan 4, 2012, 3:03:51 AM1/4/12
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WHY NOT CALL JESUS, HERCULES... or THOR... or HORUS.

So what is your point??? All previous civilization have left a
testimony about a savior who shall save the world at the end of age...
Since Adam we had the story of the promised Light told...

To take one example, examine the evidence for Hercules of Greek
mythology and you will find it parallels the "historicity" of Jesus to
such an amazing degree that for Christian apologists to deny Hercules
as a historical person belies and contradicts the very same
methodology used for Jesus.

Note that Herculean myth resembles Jesus in many areas. The mortal and
chaste Alcmene, the mother of Hercules, gave birth to him from a union
with God (Zeus). Similar to Herod who wanted to kill Jesus, Hera
wanted to kill Hercules. Like Jesus, Hercules traveled the earth as a
mortal helping mankind and performed miraculous deeds. Similar to
Jesus who died and rose to heaven, Hercules died, rose to Mt. Olympus
and became a god. Hercules gives example of perhaps the most popular
hero in Ancient Greece and Rome. They believed that he actually lived,
told stories about him, worshiped him, and dedicated temples to him.

We have historical people like Hesiod and Plato who mention Hercules
in their writings. Similar to the way the gospels tell a narrative
story of Jesus, so do we have the epic stories of Homer who depict the
life of Hercules. Aesop tells stories and quotes the words of
Hercules. Just as we have a brief mention of Jesus by Joesphus in his
Antiquities, Joesphus also mentions Hercules (more times than Jesus),
Just as Tacitus mentions a Christus, so does he also mention Hercules
many times in his Annals. And most importantly, just as we have no
artifacts, writings or eyewitnesses about Hercules, we also have
nothing about Jesus.

Hercules left us Two brazen Pillars to mark the location of his
eleventh work... Moses also left us two pillars to mark where he
crossed the sea and defeated the legions of the pharaoh...

ones you start to understand the story of the two pillars, than only
one can start to see where the truth and lies lie...

I even claim I am a direct descendant of Hercules... I am the Son of
Hercules, Atlas and Poseidon...and my Name is Hassan for the friends
and The Sheriff for my enemy's..

but that sounds strange in your ears... I know... Warhol a descendant
of Hercules & Atlas... so is the glory of
the Lords of the Anjari at the Pillars of Hercules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8efZTkosaYw

Well my Gran'Da'Dy Achmed... "Raisuli the Outlaw" Last of the Barbary
Pirates— is man who was a descendant of Hercules... And Hercules is
Moses of the Old Testament... So Like my Gran'Da'Dy's I am a true
descendant of Hercules or Moses...

The man who left us Two Pillars...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/ThePillarsOfHerkulesAncientWorld.jpg/450px-ThePillarsOfHerkulesAncientWorld.jpg

Warhol

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Jan 4, 2012, 3:36:06 AM1/4/12
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I did... zeitgeist bullshit...

When you will hear of war between Turks and juice then I shall show
you how close we are to the Apocalypse of the Edomites...

THE EDOMITES OF THE END-TIME AND THE SECOND COMING AT THE SHEEPFOLDS
OF BOAZ.

As you rejoiced because the inheritance of the house of the LORD was
desolate, so I will do to you; you shall be desolate, O Mount Seir, as
well as all of Edom-all of it! Then they shall know that I am the LORD
(35:15).

"...the Idumeans (Edomites) were...made Juice...and a Turkish people
(Khazars) were mainly Jews in South Russia...The main part of Jewry
never was in Judea and had never come out of Judea."
(H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, 3rd ed., MacMillian, 1921, p.
494).
Quote

"Edom is in Modern Jewry."
(The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41)
Quote

"...the large majority of surviving Jews in the world of Eastern
European, and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would
mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan(Mediterranean) but
from the Volga, not from Canaan, but from the Caucasus...and that
genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar
tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob."
(Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe, Random House, 1967, p. 17).

Warhol

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Jan 4, 2012, 6:23:03 AM1/4/12
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2012 is the year of decision my friend

The billions of people who are deceived are already deceived. there is
no further deception left per ser...but those that have been deceive
dont even realize that they have been deceive.
the deception is complete...the time of the shift is now.

its a clever trap
the deceived dont know it

O Sands of Time... Reveal me who can enter the cave....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMpzKARYi28

eohoe

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Jan 4, 2012, 6:42:52 AM1/4/12
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On 1/3/2012 3:49 PM, joeturn wrote:
> On Jan 3, 5:27 pm, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 7:11 pm, joeturn<joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 3, 5:56 am, Brad Guth<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jan 3, 1:37 am, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Protocols of Zion...
>>

<snip>

>>
>>>>> Protocols of Zion are there to restore the King of the Mongols to
>>>>> power... Zionist betrayed all yids to their turic masters... Soon
>>>>> there shall be no more state of the Harlots... that false man made
>>>>> state shall be more.
>>
>>>>> This what the Lord shall do to the juice while he restores the glory
>>>>> of his true people... the downfall of our Edomite enemy during the
>>>>> "Day of the Lord."
>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5htr4YrnAzo
>>
>>>>> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Obadiah+1&version=NIV
>>
>>>> There's not much question that Moors could have done a better job for
>>>> us, of governing Earth as of thousands of years ago. However, it
>>>> seems your group dropped the ball several times. So, why should you
>>>> and others of your Moorish kind be given yet another do-over?
>>
>>>> Obviously imposing honesty in government(s) would be an enormous
>>>> improvement, but is that enough?
>>
>>>> How about off-world matters that'll make it possible for the 10+
>>>> billion humans to survive without wars?
>>
>>>> Don't Moors still disbelieve in rockets? (seems a tad problematic)
>>
>>>> http://translate.google.com/#
>>>> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / �Guth Usenet�- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> See what religion has done to warhol?
>>
>>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/08/110831-dark-matter-pr...
>>
>> believe it or not....
>>
>> you are a fulfillment of last day prophecy!
>>
>> the Bible even talked about you!!!
>>
>> They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will
>> follow their own ungodly desires."
>>
>> Jude 1:18- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> watch this and pay close attention warhol it is the closest thing to
> the end times we will ever see.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8385928943445813330&hl=en#

Abrahamic religions are Pharaonic co-option schemes.

The co-option of Pharaoh De Jure is the cornerstone of the NWO
globalists but unfortunately, for them, I put the "T" on them '8 ways to
Sunday.' Now your job, nay duty, is to restore to me that which is
rightfully mine and that is the throne of Pharaonic Egypt. With the
providence of the LORD all will be restored such as it should be.

ARD



joeturn

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Warhol

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On Jan 4, 12:30 pm, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKG59NUdn8A&feature=related
>
> http://ixwa.hubpages.com/hub/Egyptian-AmonAmen-The-Invisible-Creative...
Tsk Tsk Tsk, you shouldn't keep believing things like you do.

The time will come when we will see and follow "the cloud" again.

Until Shiloh, Bar-Naphle, the cloud-man Comes

http://www.nimix.net/activos/galeria/BU02%20El%20Cid.%20Francisco%20Javier%20Ruiz%20g.jpg

written centuries before HE appeared:

"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a
son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the
Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority,
glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every
language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that
will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be
destroyed." - Daniel 7:13-14 NIV

And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by
the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Jesus
said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter
you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power,
and coming on the clouds of heaven.” - Matthew 26:63-64

We are all eagerly awaiting the revelation of the redeemer who will
lead us out of North western Europe. Not knowing what his name will
be, we call him Mesbahi (which means light)

"And Jacob called his sons and said, 'Gather together, that I may tell
you what shall befall you in the last days'" Genesis 49:1 (NKJ)

When he had gathered them together he began to prophesy over each of
them. When he got to his son Judah, he gave a prophecy concerning the
Messiah:

"The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between
his feet, until Shiloh comes; and to him shall be the obedience of the
people." Genesis 49:10 (NKJ)

Brad Guth

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Jan 4, 2012, 9:16:47 AM1/4/12
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I have to say, that's a very good analogy, of so many folks that are
deathly afraid to think anything through for themselves, much less
investigate and deductively interpret in order to act/react the way
they should.

Religions can be a very good social/political moderator, and the
source of a core mentality mindset and/or authority that remains rock
solid in spite of adversity. Unfortunately, few religions seem to
qualify.

Thomas Heger

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Am 03.01.2012 10:37, schrieb Warhol:

> Protocols of Zion are there to restore the King of the Mongols to
> power... Zionist betrayed all yids to their turic masters... Soon
> there shall be no more state of the Harlots... that false man made
> state shall be more.
>
> This what the Lord shall do to the juice while he restores the glory
> of his true people... the downfall of our Edomite enemy during the
> "Day of the Lord."


Nobody misses Chingis Khan and (most likely) the king of the Monglos
will never come to any significant power.

Actually 'never' is quite long, possibly some day there will a person
from Mongolia with some influence on international affairs. But most
likely not because Mongols are good riders and know how to use bow and
arrow.

So we have a good example for 'misantropic nonsense', that people are
requested to believe, if they want to take part in the privileges of a
ruling elite.

Many religions claim similar: Jews, Masons, Moors, Moslems, Templars,
Jesuits, the Bilderberg Group, Jesuits, Knights of Malta, Socialist
party, Beta Phy Kappa and a great deal of others.

So similar promises were given to different groups, that believe, they
once rule the world.

What those people had to do was to fight against each other and harm the
rest of the world. A big arsenal of carefully selected atrocities were
'handed down' to 'the chosen ones' and certain promises given.

Now these groups fight and kill, while turning the Earth into a
nightmare, but still hoping for the greater good. Actually they hope for
victory of their own group (and not of mankind), because the means used
are gruesome and antisocial.

And at the end they demand their reward - what doesn't come. Actually it
cannot come and will not.

TH

joeturn

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On Jan 4, 8:58 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 12:30 pm, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKG59NUdn8A&feature=related
>
> >http://ixwa.hubpages.com/hub/Egyptian-AmonAmen-The-Invisible-Creative...
>
> >http://yahushua.net/babylon/liberty/pagan_statue.htm
>
> >http://www.tjresearch.info/mksec4.htm
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sow0gfXXHGY&feature=fvw
>
> Tsk Tsk Tsk, you shouldn't keep believing things like you do.
>
> The time will come when we will see and follow "the cloud" again.
>
> Until Shiloh, Bar-Naphle, the cloud-man Comes
>
> http://www.nimix.net/activos/galeria/BU02%20El%20Cid.%20Francisco%20J...
>
> written centuries before HE appeared:
>
> "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a
> son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the
> Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority,
> glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every
> language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that
> will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be
> destroyed." - Daniel 7:13-14 NIV
>
> And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by
> the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Jesus
> said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter
> you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power,
> and coming on the clouds of heaven.” - Matthew 26:63-64
>
> We are all eagerly awaiting the revelation of the redeemer who will
> lead us out of North western Europe. Not knowing what his name will
> be, we call him Mesbahi (which means light)
>
> "And Jacob called his sons and said, 'Gather together, that I may tell
> you what shall befall you in the last days'" Genesis 49:1 (NKJ)
>
> When he had gathered them together he began to prophesy over each of
> them. When he got to his son Judah, he gave a prophecy concerning the
> Messiah:
>
> "The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between
> his feet, until Shiloh comes; and to him shall be the obedience of the
> people." Genesis 49:10 (NKJ)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRKhZ81aqY&feature=related

joeturn

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Padraigh ProAmerica

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Your definition of religion is...bizarre.

The Masons are not a religion.

Moors are an ethnic group.

Templars were Catholic.

The Jesuits (Society of Jesus) is an order within the Catholic Church
with a love of education and learning; they are also represented in the
physical sciences, especially astronomy and astrophysics.

The Bilderberg Group is a business and elite alliance, not a religion.

The Knights of Malta (Soverign & Military Order of Malta) is technically
an independent nation, consisting of three buildings in Rome and a
hillside nearby' They are Catholic.

Socialist Party is a poltical, not religious, organization.

Phi Beta Kappa (which is what I think you mean) in an honorary society
bsaed on collegiate acheivements. It is not a religion.

Please get some education and avoid the crazy paranoia.

--
"The graveyards are full of indispensible men."--

Charles deGaulle

Thomas Heger

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Am 05.01.2012 00:00, schrieb Padraigh ProAmerica:
> Your definition of religion is...bizarre.
>
> The Masons are not a religion.
>
> Moors are an ethnic group.
>
> Templars were Catholic.
>
> The Jesuits (Society of Jesus) is an order within the Catholic Church
> with a love of education and learning; they are also represented in the
> physical sciences, especially astronomy and astrophysics.
>
> The Bilderberg Group is a business and elite alliance, not a religion.
>
> The Knights of Malta (Soverign& Military Order of Malta) is technically
> an independent nation, consisting of three buildings in Rome and a
> hillside nearby' They are Catholic.
>
> Socialist Party is a poltical, not religious, organization.
>
> Phi Beta Kappa (which is what I think you mean) in an honorary society
> bsaed on collegiate acheivements. It is not a religion.
>
> Please get some education and avoid the crazy paranoia.
>
You are right and none of the above are religions, but groups. They
utilize religion or what they pretend to be, to justify injustice and
enhancement of the own group on the expense of others.

One means is 'misantropy'. This is a very odd behaviour, we find in
various groups.

One example would be the 'Greens' or the ecological movement.

Typical greenies try to convince people of the usefulness of mould, they
put grass or their roof on let thing rot in their garden. They call this
'nature', while turning the idea of ecology into its opposite.

Other groups have the habit of knotting strings or ribbons to places
that belong to the public (also locks, chewinggum or bicycles).

This is a misantropic and antisocial behaviour.

Moslems claim to have the right to kill all non-moslems. These could
only survive if they would pay taxes.

The Moorish Shriners are a pseudo-moslemic sect in America, that use a
symbol from the Marocans - the 'Fez' - that stands for mass-murder on
Christians.

The Masons have a very strange aesthetic. In my opinion the sense of
beauty is related to a sense of justice. The masons now deviate the
members from this sense and train them to 'almost beautiful', what
equals to 'almost just'.

The Jesuits are kind of secret service of the Vatican. In my unimportant
opinion a religion (Catholicism) doesn't need a secret army.


TH

Warhol

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Once Upon a Time...

You dare to mention The Moor in the same line as a mongol, "Jesuits,
the Bilderberg Group, Jesuits, Knights of Malta, Socialist party, Beta
Phy Kappa and a great deal of others."

Well the greatest fear of those mentioned here were the Moors, The
Saracen Moors... the "Moors" founded great cities and flourishing
marts centuries before the appearance of vermin... The Mongols of
Genghis Khan were a turkic tribe that lived in present day Mongolia.
Gengiz khan means " Great Khan/King". His actual name "temujin" means
iron-demon( temir in turkic is iron, jin is Demon). Mongols was the
name for the turkic peoples just as the word "tatar"( another turkic
tribe that Temujin conquered).

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_genghis_khan_a_turk_or_a_mongol#ixzz1Y0y1Rp00

Glory of the Saracen Blade....

I want to bring to your attention that only mongol armies are called
hordes... Hordes destroyed many cities, slaughtered millions of
people... and those mongols were always kicked by Moorish Warriors
throe the ages... Turic and Khazars we kick them wherever found...
just check your history books again... It's the glory of the Saracens
kicking mongol and others ass... we resisted the invaders and did our
holy war with weapons or the pen or the tongue.

Glad Tidings

Imam Qurtubi reports in Kitab Tadkirah that the Prophet (peace and
blessing be upon him) said,

An island named Andalusia will be opened after me (satufta'h
ba'adi jazira tusamma al-Andalus). The confederates (ahl al-kufr) will
defeat them, take their money and much of their country, captive their
women and children, torture them to death, and destroy their homes.
Nearly all of the country becomes ruined and wrecked and people will
leave everything behind. Most of the island will be gone. It will be
death and horror in the Maghreb. Hunger and price hike will be
widespread. Strife will increase and people would eat each other. By
then a man from the descent of Fatima -the daughter of the Prophet-
will come out from al-Maghreb al-Aqsa. He is the Mahdi (the Guided)
and the Qaim at the End of Time (i.e. the who shall stand to establish
the Divine Authority on earth) and he is the first Sign of the Hour."
I said (al-Qurtubi) 'The events mentioned in the hadith of Muawiyah
have all taken place expect the coming of the Mahdi.'

It is interesting to note that Nostradamus, (1503–1566) who is
credited with predicting in the book of "Les Propheties", which
consists of rhymed quatrains (4-line poems), a copious number of
events in world history. In Century 6, Quatrain 80, Nostradamus
predicted this time the emergence of the kingdom of al-Imam al-Mahdi
from Fez, Morocco and the destruction of the blue at his hand.

“From Fez the kingdom will stretch out to those of Europe. The
city blazes, the sword will slash; the great man of Asia with a great
troop by land and sea so that blues, perse, he will drive out the
cross to death.”

The blue is clear reference to turic flag and turks blue berets..

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/269/6/3/alternate_turic_union_flag_by_ay_deezy-d2zkfga.png

http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/150/i/2011/074/3/e/turkmen_turkish_friendship_by_ay_deezy-d3bq2s0.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ek7w-HRzI

Who Is The Man With Blue Turban As Nostradamus States Will Rule The
World

He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban. He will be the terror of
mankind.

presaged by famine, drought and a series of other natural
disasters....

Quatrain 9:73
The Blue Turban King entered into Foix,
And he will reign less than an evolution of Saturn:
The White Turban King Byzantium heart banished,
Sun, Mars and Mercury near Aquarius.

http://youtu.be/NVZIfnXxuWc?t=4m59s

Beware of the Mongol....

Warhol

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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRKhZ81aqY&feature=related-Hide quoted text -
Did I ever say there was a historic Jesus????

Or did I say that the son of Judah the Lion is coming with his
star...

It's vermin who decided to make from a promised son a historic
personalty of the past... Let me remember you that Jesus must be a man
like Moses... As-long I remember there ain't no one yet who did the
deeds of Moses or Hercules.... which means there was never a historic
Jesus before... he still has to come... is the fact.

Jesus Christ: The King like Moses
http://shogiwar.webs.com/Xian_Is_True/2nd_Moses.html

The Lion... Leo Africanus - A Man Between Worlds
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txua/africanu.htm

They shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be fed away
captive into all nations: and the true Jerusalem(Qsar El Kebir) shall
be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be
fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and
in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring: men's hearts fail­ing them for fear,
and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for
the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son
of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these
things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads;
for your redemption draweth nigh (Luke 21:24-28).

Warhol

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Man must not follow Religion, but must have faith... He must believe
the Word of his shepherd when he hears it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63tAwum94_0

John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must
bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be
one flock and one shepherd.

Thomas Heger

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I have to apologize. But YOU gave me the hint: the Moors seem to think,
they are chosen people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOSt_SJkYTg


This is, what other groups think about themselves, too: Jews, Moslems,
and so forth....

There is also a group called 'Silver Shirts', that think about themself
to be 'Leaders'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXSI79sIJlU

You mentioned Moorish 'stargates' and Pelley mentioned something.
The Nazis of Germany were also very occult people and seem to have had
very advanced technology coming from no obvious source.

Then I saw a kind of 'pattern':

If there are in fact external forces, that have such abilities, we would
recognize as supernatural, than many different groups could be
addressed, that all think, they are 'chosen'.

They hope/assume 'chosen for their own benefit', even if THAT was not
promised.

If similar promises are given to opposing and distinct groups, than
sooner or later those groups would fight against each other.

After the killing has lasted long enough, those stargates open and the
rest get killed. Then the wealth collected is picked up and a new
generation of settlers is implemented.

(This was just an idea, that passed my mind! But wouldn't that be at
least possible?)

TH

Forehead

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> Protocols of Zion are there to restore the King of the Mongols to
> power... Zionist betrayed all yids to their turic masters... Soon
> there shall be no more state of the Harlots... that false man made
> state shall be more.
>
> This what the Lord shall do to the juice while he restores the glory
> of his true people... the downfall of our Edomite enemy during the
> "Day of the Lord."
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5htr4YrnAzo
>
> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Obadiah+1&version=NIV
>
>

To this WASP, The Protocols sure read like pure fiction. JMHO
fhead

Padraigh ProAmerica

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The reason Germn technology advanced so quickly during the war was that,
until the end of the war, Germany was the world leader in scientific
research.

It was Germans who figured out and proved atomic disintegraion-
radioactivity- was a potentail source of energy.

German Ernst Heinkel developed a turbojet almost in paralell with
Whittle in the UK.

Warhol

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> they are chosen people.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOSt_SJkYTg
>
> This is, what other groups think about themselves, too: Jews, Moslems,
> and so forth....
>
> There is also a group called 'Silver Shirts', that think about themself
> to be 'Leaders'
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXSI79sIJlU
>
> You mentioned Moorish 'stargates' and Pelley mentioned something.
> The Nazis of Germany were also very occult people and seem to have had
> very advanced technology coming from no obvious source.
>
> Then I saw a kind of 'pattern':
>
> If there are in fact external forces, that have such abilities, we would
> recognize as supernatural, than many different groups could be
> addressed, that all think, they are 'chosen'.
>
> They hope/assume 'chosen for their own benefit', even if THAT was not
> promised.
>
> If similar promises are given to opposing and distinct groups, than
> sooner or later those groups would fight against each other.
>
> After the killing has lasted long enough, those stargates open and the
> rest get killed. Then the wealth collected is picked up and a new
> generation of settlers is implemented.
>
> (This was just an idea, that passed my mind! But wouldn't that be at
> least possible?)
>
> TH



Let's say that the Grand Architect of the Universe is Moorish, The
Grand Admiral... DeMolay.

http://www.qalamcenter.com/Portals/0/ibnbuttata.gif

the Grand Architect of the Universe and the Supreme Navigator of the
Universe...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falus

"I had fought many battles, winning some and loosing some and, somehow
always realizing that the war was not to be won on this level. There
had to be a decisive encounter, elevated and sublime, yet physical and
mundane, a warrior's engagement in which every advance and retreat was
telling. By the grace of the Creator, I was taken to that battlefield.
Ultimately outmatched and overwhelmed by familiar forces, a thousand
foes too many, I succumbed to death's beckoning. And so, a dead man
was I, content that the ground on which I lie demised and had failed
to defend would swiftly swallow me to become my grave. It was then,
that the Supreme Navigator of the Universe commanded me to rise and
return to battle. Armed with only a sword and glove; each rendered to
me from His hand, I returned to the battle a Ghost Warrior for the
Creator." - The Grand Admiral Hassan I Sabah

be...@iwaynet.net

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On 1/5/2012 10:19 AM, Forehead wrote:
> On 1/3/2012 3:37 AM, Warhol wrote:
>> Protocols of Zion...

> To this WASP, The Protocols sure read like pure fiction. JMHO
> fhead

No they don't. They read like pure Social Darwinism! Forget the Jewish
spin on the protocols. They represent the ideal of virtually ALL
political leaders in the world today. Perhaps the Dali Lama is the
exception, but as the protocols predict, any leader who does not follow
the tenets of Social Darwinism is doomed to fail and be overthrown. The
Dali Lama has no country now as the Chinese Social Darwinists took it
from him.

In case you don't know, in sovereign politics there ARE NO RULES save
those of the animal kingdom: MIGHT MAKES RIGHT. It's survival of the
fittest. Morality, ethics, honesty and integrity are fairy tales. Like
any animal, the rule is of you want something, and have the strength to
take it, you take it. If someone gets in your way, you kill them. There
is no Heaven and there is no Hell and all life and thought resides in
the brain. When the brain dies there is nothing left. Hence morality and
legality is all a fraud to be used to find superiority over the other
animals. Human life is all about "natural selection". Sure leaders all
pretend to be upright and moral for the consumption of the masses, but
to a leader hypocrisy is survival.

The fact that the protocols are couched in a Jewish terminology is quite
misleading. For the protocols themselves express the need to destroy all
religion. REAL Jews are quite religious and follow the law of Moses
which means ideas as theft and murder being "natural" and without
consequence is quite anathema to them. Hence look into something known
as "The Jewish Question". It was discussed by Marx. In a nutshell it's
about "converting" Jews from Judaism to Social Darwinism.

Protocols Fiction? WE WISH!

Thomas Heger

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Am 05.01.2012 17:28, schrieb Warhol:

>
> Let's say that the Grand Architect of the Universe is Moorish, The
> Grand Admiral... DeMolay.
>
> http://www.qalamcenter.com/Portals/0/ibnbuttata.gif
>
> the Grand Architect of the Universe and the Supreme Navigator of the
> Universe...

'Moorish' equals to Phoenician?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenicia

Certainly an interesting culture. Actually I do not have much knowledge
about such people.

Anyhow...

The idea, that some sort of "Grand Architect of the Universe" belongs to
any of the human races is kind of absurd.

And these races should not think about themselves as more important than
the others. So paradise will not come from bringing one race or people
in control of all the others.

And it will not come from war, but - if at all - from peace.

TH

Thomas Heger

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Am 05.01.2012 17:04, schrieb Padraigh ProAmerica:
> The reason Germn technology advanced so quickly during the war was that,
> until the end of the war, Germany was the world leader in scientific
> research.
>
> It was Germans who figured out and proved atomic disintegraion-
> radioactivity- was a potentail source of energy.
>
> German Ernst Heinkel developed a turbojet almost in paralell with
> Whittle in the UK.
>

Actually not the propfan, but things like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke


TH

Warhol

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On Jan 6, 4:13 am, Thomas Heger <ttt_...@web.de> wrote:
> Am 05.01.2012 17:28, schrieb Warhol:
>
>
>
> > Let's say that the Grand Architect of the Universe is Moorish, The
> > Grand Admiral...  DeMolay.
>
> >http://www.qalamcenter.com/Portals/0/ibnbuttata.gif
>
> > the Grand Architect of the Universe and the Supreme Navigator of the
> > Universe...
>
> 'Moorish' equals to Phoenician?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenicia
>
> Certainly an interesting culture. Actually I do not have much knowledge
> about such people.
>
> Anyhow...
>
> The idea, that some sort of "Grand Architect of the Universe" belongs to
> any of the human races is kind of absurd.
>
> And these races should not think about themselves as more important than
> the others. So paradise will not come from bringing one race or people
> in control of all the others.
>
> And it will not come from war, but - if at all - from peace.
>
> TH


Here we will get on stormy waters... simply because the Phoenicians
never existed in reality... it is an invention to steal the heritage
away from the Moorish People, called in those times Carthaginians...
A Phoenician Fable... It appears that the Carthaginians were the
historic Phoenicians...

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/59e9fcfeaa98e234?hl=en&tvc=1&q=Phoenicians

Phoenicians only a invention of wolfs dressed in shepherds cloth's...

Mongols always wanted to dress them self with history that doesn't
belong to them... ain't they trying to prove to the world that the Ark
of Noah is found somewhere in turkey...

The Phoenicians are in reality the Carthaginians, the true lords of
the seas... The city of Tyre is the Capital city of the Phoenicians we
are told... Well let me ad that the truth is that the biblical city is
in reality the city of Tangier, in morocco... vermin made Campbell
soup of the true locations as they created false holly lands just to
fool us in their evil lies... one of the many lies are the juice and
their false state.

Tyrian Heracles was Melcarthus... "Melqart"=King of the World.
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/history_of_the_two_pillars.htm

Mel'carthus...

Mel'Carthage must be destroyed'- Marcus Porcius Cato (234-149 B.C.)

"Even the name Punic—which comes from the word Phoenician—was given to
them by outsiders. These were not "Punic" wars to the Carthaginians.
Greeks and Romans told the story, and for them the Carthaginians were
the enemy. "Punic treachery" became proverbial, similar to an
expression like "Dutch courage." People today still use the latter
phrase to refer to those who are only brave when drunk, but scarcely
anyone remembers its origins in England's 17th-century rivalry with
Holland. "

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303795304576453922766839818.html

it is said that the Phoenicians discovered America... but in America
you don't find Native American Phoenicians, but you find Native
American Moors...

And now I will answer your Question about one nation set to rule the
others... is false and a miss understanding of the true teachings...
It's a man coming from a forgotten holy Kingdom who will set the world
free and restore the lost truth... "No man shall rule over another
Man"... And "All Man and Beast must respect the eleven laws of
heaven", the universal Commandments...

And that Man is the son of the "Grand Architect of the Universe"...
The Grand Master... His most special son... The Great awaited
liberator and Savior of Cometh Doom...

Joseph Had a Dream... which he had told to his brothers... The
brothers threw Joseph in pit and lied to their father...

http://vodpod.com/watch/4097609-joseph-finds-himself-sold-into-slavery

All races are Brothers of Joseph... The 13 tribes only have forgotten
it... because in their midst is the father of all lies, out to steal
the Heritage of the son... But destiny can't be stolen... only fools
would put such protocols in their mind... No Man Can steal the Legacy
of the Moor.

eohoe

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Spooky ol' faggot that one. Now his spiritual descendants are conspired
together to subjugate the planet to their will. Mind control, poison,
trauma based programming and any other nasty thing you can think of are
all part of their arsenal.

Like I say in the Aims of the Empire, faggots got no business being in
any position of authority over the general population. If society could
only follow this dictate 50% of the problems would disappear.

What's the use preaching to the shepple when they won't pull the wool
out of their ears?



Warhol

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> >http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_genghis_khan_a_turk_or_a_mongol#ixzz1Y0...
>
> Spooky ol' faggot that one.  Now his spiritual descendants are conspired
> together to subjugate the planet to their will.  Mind control, poison,
> trauma based programming and any other nasty thing you can think of are
> all part of their arsenal.
>
> Like I say in the Aims of the Empire, faggots got no business being in
> any position of authority over the general population.  If society could
> only follow this dictate 50% of the problems would disappear.
>
> What's the use preaching to the shepple when they won't pull the wool
> out of their ears?



You know the saying...

<< Proverbs 26:27 >>
If you set a trap for others, you will get caught in it yourself. If
you roll a boulder down on others, it will crush you instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7oaf8u9eSk

In the wild parts of Mongolia, there is a lot of animist beliefs that
Genghis Khan would be reborn and would lead Mongolia back to being the
leading nation in the world... A version of the sleeping hero
legend...



Padraigh ProAmerica

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I did not say or mean "propfan", I was specific in "turbojet".

We went over that recently in another newsgroup. The idea of the propfan
dates back to 1908. The talians built one early in WW II, but it had
miserable performance.

The true turbojet was the powerplant for a surprsing slew of German
aircraft in action by the end of the war. Had it not been for shrtage of
fuel, they could have raised considerable concern in Alied air forces.
As it was, with minimal fuel supplies, the ME-262 'Swallow' shot down
over 500 Allied aircraft.

Thomas Heger

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Am 06.01.2012 08:15, schrieb Warhol:

> Here we will get on stormy waters... simply because the Phoenicians
> never existed in reality... it is an invention to steal the heritage
> away from the Moorish People, called in those times Carthaginians...
> A Phoenician Fable... It appears that the Carthaginians were the
> historic Phoenicians...
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/59e9fcfeaa98e234?hl=en&tvc=1&q=Phoenicians
>
> Phoenicians only a invention of wolfs dressed in shepherds cloth's...
>
> Mongols always wanted to dress them self with history that doesn't
> belong to them... ain't they trying to prove to the world that the Ark
> of Noah is found somewhere in turkey...
>
> The Phoenicians are in reality the Carthaginians, the true lords of
> the seas... The city of Tyre is the Capital city of the Phoenicians we
> are told... Well let me ad that the truth is that the biblical city is
> in reality the city of Tangier, in morocco... vermin made Campbell
> soup of the true locations as they created false holly lands just to
> fool us in their evil lies... one of the many lies are the juice and
> their false state.


I see: actually the Israelites are the Phonicians?
http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/tribes.html

And the Mongols are now Russia?

And how is Aga Khan related? Isn't he also a famed leader of a nobel tribe?
http://video.answers.com/aga-khan-development-network-programs-435187270


> Tyrian Heracles was Melcarthus... "Melqart"=King of the World.
> http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/history_of_the_two_pillars.htm
>
> Mel'carthus...
>
> Mel'Carthage must be destroyed'- Marcus Porcius Cato (234-149 B.C.)
>
> "Even the name Punic—which comes from the word Phoenician—was given to
> them by outsiders. These were not "Punic" wars to the Carthaginians.
> Greeks and Romans told the story, and for them the Carthaginians were
> the enemy. "Punic treachery" became proverbial, similar to an
> expression like "Dutch courage." People today still use the latter
> phrase to refer to those who are only brave when drunk, but scarcely
> anyone remembers its origins in England's 17th-century rivalry with
> Holland. "


Are the Punic the same people as the Philistines?
Those were Greek people, that lived as pirates in Palestine,

And how is the whole mess related to the celts?

TH

Ray O'Hara

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reading this thread makes me glad I invest in ALCOA,


Warhol

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On Jan 6, 3:50 pm, Thomas Heger <ttt_...@web.de> wrote:
> Am 06.01.2012 08:15, schrieb Warhol:
>
>
> I see: actually the Israelites are the Phonicians?http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/tribes.html
>

The Israelites should be Phoenicians... but the Key is that the
Israelite must have true glory on the seas... see here Sally Rovers...

> And the Mongols are now Russia?
>


Mongols are now In Turkey, in Russia, in China and they are the juice
in man made pigsrael too... they play with many cards... Mongols are
like chameleons...

> And how is Aga Khan related? Isn't he also a famed leader of a nobel tribe?http://video.answers.com/aga-khan-development-network-programs-435187270
>

He is pretending to be descendant of Prophets... but in reality he is
a mongol...

> > Tyrian Heracles was Melcarthus... "Melqart"=King of the World.
> >http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/history_of_the_two_pillars.htm
>
> > Mel'carthus...
>
> > Mel'Carthage must be destroyed'- Marcus Porcius Cato (234-149 B.C.)
>
> > "Even the name Punic which comes from the word Phoenician was given to
> > them by outsiders. These were not "Punic" wars to the Carthaginians.
> > Greeks and Romans told the story, and for them the Carthaginians were
> > the enemy. "Punic treachery" became proverbial, similar to an
> > expression like "Dutch courage." People today still use the latter
> > phrase to refer to those who are only brave when drunk, but scarcely
> > anyone remembers its origins in England's 17th-century rivalry with
> > Holland. "
>
> Are the Punic the same people as the Philistines?
> Those were Greek people, that lived as pirates in Palestine,
>
> And how is the whole mess related to the celts?
>
> TH

True biblical Philistines is current day Spain... and how all this is
related to the celts, yeah that is a long story... but the Pillars
remain central for the Location of the true Holly Land.

Ray O'Hara

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"BJA...@teranews.com" <be...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:uwpNq.39491$aW6....@newsfe09.iad...
Of course the Protocols weren't written by Jews but by Russian
"intellegence" to ramp up anti-semitism and to justify the periodic pogroms
the Euros would periodically indulge in.


Padraigh ProAmerica

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Ray. keep in mind Wormhole is mentally ill.

Brad Guth

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Jan 6, 2012, 12:02:57 PM1/6/12
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I'll buy that humans needs to know and appreciate that Earth is truly
a special kind of Eden, but not to think that all other worlds and
moons are off-limits. Unfortunately, most of our planet is not
suitable for accommodating us naked/Goldilocks humans, and for some
reason we've lost most of our genetic evolutionary survival code that
would have made for living on this planet a whole lot better if we'd
retained some of those DNA codes.

Padraigh ProAmerica

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Jan 6, 2012, 12:25:46 PM1/6/12
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I se your understanding of genetics is as deficient as the rest of your
"education".

Thomas Heger

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Jan 6, 2012, 3:25:33 PM1/6/12
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Am 06.01.2012 16:57, schrieb Ray O'Hara:
> Russian
> "intellegence"


The 'Cheka' (later 'KGB') was founded by a Polish aristocrat called
Felix Dzerzhinski


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%D0%94%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B2_%D1%82%D1%8E%D1%80%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%85.jpg

Here we have something interesting. Don't know, if anybody has seen
this, but the first picture seems to be a different person than the
second one. Or: two Dzerzhinskies.

The ears are different, also the entire face, but particularly the ears
are of interest)

Forehead

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On 1/5/2012 4:30 PM, BJA...@teranews.com wrote:
> On 1/5/2012 10:19 AM, Forehead wrote:
>> On 1/3/2012 3:37 AM, Warhol wrote:
>>> Protocols of Zion...
>
>> To this WASP, The Protocols sure read like pure fiction. JMHO
>> fhead
>
> No they don't. They read like pure Social Darwinism! Forget the Jewish
> spin on the protocols. They represent the ideal of virtually ALL
>
> [ ... ]
>
> Protocols Fiction? WE WISH!
>

Well then who wrote them and what was their agenda? I'm positive it
wasn't "Jewish elders".
No one in their right mind would put those diabolical intentions and
goals to paper.
(( {:->/



P-Dub

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The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent, antisemitic text
purporting to describe a Jewish plan for achieving global domination. It
was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple
languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the
20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies which were
distributed throughout the United States in the 1920s.

Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were major proponents of the text: It was
studied, as if factual, in German classrooms after the Nazi Party came
to power in 1933, despite having been exposed as fraudulent years
before. In the opinion of historian Norman Cohn, the Protocols was
Hitler's primary justification for initiating the Holocaust — his
"warrant for genocide."[1]

The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century
meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish
hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the
press and the world's economies. It is still widely available today,
still presented, typically, as a genuine document, on the Internet and
in print, in numerous languages.

P-Dub: Anyone who believes the garbage known as the 'protocols of Zion'
- is garbage. You would have to be a complete moron, or just a racist
bigot piece of shit.


PaxPerPoten

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Jan 6, 2012, 9:31:42 PM1/6/12
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On 1/6/2012 6:44 PM, P-Dub wrote:
> On 1/6/2012 3:56 PM, Forehead wrote:
>> On 1/5/2012 4:30 PM, BJA...@teranews.com wrote:
>>> On 1/5/2012 10:19 AM, Forehead wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2012 3:37 AM, Warhol wrote:
>>>>> Protocols of Zion...
>>>
>>>> To this WASP, The Protocols sure read like pure fiction. JMHO
>>>> fhead
>>>
>>> No they don't. They read like pure Social Darwinism! Forget the Jewish
>>> spin on the protocols. They represent the ideal of virtually ALL
>>>
>>> [ ... ]
>> >
>>> Protocols Fiction? WE WISH!
>>>
>>
>> Well then who wrote them and what was their agenda? I'm positive it
>> wasn't "Jewish elders".
>> No one in their right mind would put those diabolical intentions and
>> goals to paper.
>> (( {:->/
>>
>>
>>
>
> The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent, antisemitic text
> purporting to describe a Jewish plan for achieving global domination.

Actually it is as true today as when Ford funded it. He never lost that
lawsuite. He merely played a tight hand by not refuting it totally..
Settle a lawsuite that cost him nothing and actually drove up the number
of copies sold throughout the world. It is still a great seller at B&N
and other book companies

PaxPerPoten

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On 1/6/2012 6:44 PM, P-Dub wrote:
I bet you would also like to tell us that the /Babylonian Talmud written
by the Sanhedrin is also bullshit. You Jew cuntsd have long been the
most racist assholes on the planet.
>
>

Padraigh ProAmerica

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Jan 6, 2012, 10:41:34 PM1/6/12
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As noted earlier, the Protocols are a forgery produced by the secret
police of Czar Nicholas II circa 1905.

Warhol

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On Jan 6, 4:57 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "BJAC...@teranews.com" <b...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
Is it little wonder that people get totally confused – clowns race off
to Wiki for their references. So we type in ZOG.

Wikipedia:

"Zionist Occupation Government or Zionist Occupied Government
(abbreviated as ZOG) is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory which holds
that Jews secretly control a given country, while the formal
government is a puppet regime.
The expression is used by anti-Semitic groups such as white
supremacists in the United States] and Europe, ultra-nationalists such
as Pamyat in Russia, and various far-right groups, including some in
Poland.
The word "Zionist" in "Zionist Occupation Government" is derived from
the ideology of Zionism, the movement for support of a Jewish state in
the Land of Israel. As the conspiracy theorists chiefly name countries
outside that area, the usage of Zionist in this context is misleading,
and intended to portray Jews as conspirators who aim to control the
world, as in the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

Tell me how on earth that is an objective description?? It starts by
emphasising that this is anti-Semitic – this it to put off any
sensitive pseudo-Christians. Then it rolls over the idea that this is
a “conspiracy theory’ – with all the negative connotations that
entails.

Not content with that, it then lumps it all in with what it wants
identified as “fringe elements” and undesirables. Followed by a very
simple and peaceful objective of “just wanting a land of our own”. And
finished off with a rebuttal of the Protocols of Zion.

What else can we expect from a Zionist control organisation – unless
you support Zionism, then you are obviously twisted and deranged.
Control the media and you control the minds.

The Joey Juice has lost his!

Warhol

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Jan 6, 2012, 11:07:16 PM1/6/12
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On Jan 5, 4:19 pm, Forehead <u...@localhost.invalid> wrote:
> On 1/3/2012 3:37 AM, Warhol wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Protocols of Zion...
>
> > It seems when searching for the actual document on different search
> > engines, it can actually be quite difficult to find a complete text
> > version. Instead, one often finds numerous links to jewish sources
> > attempting to debunk the protocols, rather than the document it’s
> > self.
>
> > If the document were indeed a “forgery” as the jewish media claims it
> > to be, why is it that one could be shot and killed on sight for
> > mentioning this document in Bolshevik (jew) run Russia?
>
> To this WASP, The Protocols sure read like pure fiction. JMHO
> fhead



But anyway if Forehead Brew wasn't such a pathalogical Lying scum bag
Khazar he would let you know the truth that a copy of the Protocols of
Zion was taken to court in Switzerland early in the 20th century and
the courts ruled that it was a forgery,not a fake!

A forgery means a copy of the original. Word for word from the
original was written down and copied and the courts ruled as such.

Juice Forehead Brew saying it was a fake means the Khazar scumbag is
LYING YET AGAIN.

Anyway apart from that you just have to read the Protocols Of Zion and
everything written in there is now reality!

Fake my ass Juice Forehead Brew!

Nothing is as real as the Protocols of Zion,just look at what the
Zionists have done to America, it is in the Protocols of ZIOFOOLS~

____

PROTOCOL No. 10

19. But you yourselves perfectly well know that TO PRODUCE THE
POSSIBILITY OF THE EXPRESSION OF SUCH WISHES BY ALL THE NATIONS IT IS
INDISPENSABLE TO TROUBLE IN ALL COUNTRIES THE PEOPLE'S RELATIONS WITH
THEIR GOVERNMENTS SO AS TO UTTERLY EXHAUST HUMANITY WITH DISSENSION,
HATRED, STRUGGLE, ENVY AND EVEN BY THE USE OF TORTURE, BY STARVATION,
BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, BY WANT, SO THAT THE "GOYIM" SEE NO
OTHER ISSUE THAN TO TAKE REFUGE IN OUR COMPLETE SOVEREIGNTY IN MONEY
AND IN ALL ELSE.

20. But if we give the nations of the world a breathing space the
moment we long for is hardly likely ever to arrive.

However, Canadian Juice academic Henry Makow PhD says "The Protocols"
are as real as Jewish Talmud.

http://www.henrymakow.com/000298.html

"the leaked master plan for "Juice-wish world domination."

Warhol

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It is to point out JewBrew's hidden (and not so hidden) agenda and
endless lies. I KNOW JuiceBrew is completely beyond reach and reason;
Jews - as an iron clad rule - always are. I know the Tribe's/Cabal's
behavior almost better than they know it themselves.

The filthy Pisrael Hasbara pigs always support their propaganda lies
via Joewish sites like Wikipedia, Facebook, Yahoo, Google, etc.

http://radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/internet/jews_behind_internet.htm

Padraigh ProAmerica

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Jan 6, 2012, 11:25:32 PM1/6/12
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You're rambling.

Time for your meds.

Warhol

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Jan 6, 2012, 11:58:26 PM1/6/12
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> Charles deGaulle (Mass Murderer)


You expect people to take your word for it after juice have already
been exposed as posting numerous lies?

Apparently, you don't understand the concept of credibility.What does
the dictionary say about it?

cred·i·bil·i·ty  [kred-uh-bil-i-tee] Show IPA
noun
the quality of being believable or worthy of trust: After all those
lies, his credibility was at a low ebb.

Joewish lies have made the world believe Jesus was an Edomite!

All of it is part of Satan’s “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and
they are his “Chosen People.”

Thomas Heger

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEtI3_HeOQw

The most professional script writers of this type we have on this planet
are at the 'Tavistock Institute of Human Relations'.
Usually its a profound idea, that evil nonsense is breaded out there.

We have also other 'agendas', that are misanthropic in its nature. One
from Alistair Crowley and one is called 'New Order of Barbarians':

http://100777.com/nwo/barbarians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dYRRXUFUdg

TH

bill

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On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:11:43 -0800, Warhol wrote:

>
> Is it little wonder that people get totally confused – clowns race off
> to Wiki for their references. So we type in ZOG.
>
> Wikipedia:
>
> "Zionist Occupation Government or Zionist Occupied Government
> (abbreviated as ZOG) is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory which holds
> that Jews secretly control a given country, while the formal government
> is a puppet regime.
> The expression is used by anti-Semitic groups such as white supremacists
> in the United States] and Europe, ultra-nationalists such as Pamyat in
> Russia, and various far-right groups, including some in Poland.
> The word "Zionist" in "Zionist Occupation Government" is derived from
> the ideology of Zionism, the movement for support of a Jewish state in
> the Land of Israel. As the conspiracy theorists chiefly name countries
> outside that area, the usage of Zionist in this context is misleading,
> and intended to portray Jews as conspirators who aim to control the
> world, as in the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
>
> Tell me how on earth that is an objective description??

I think it's more than fair.

For a start it doesn't describe it as a piece of festering hate

It doesn't describe people like you as festering lumps of shit who need
stabbing in the belly and leaving to die screaming in agony in a pool of
their own shit and blood.

--
William Black

Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...

The Revd

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On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:44:24 -0500, P-Dumb <pwol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Anyone who sucks jew rectums is a piece of jewloving shit. That means
YOU, you fucking asshole.

Warhol

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Jan 7, 2012, 6:38:05 AM1/7/12
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Dude if you are an Ashkenazi or Shepardic joewish, then you are not
even a semite.

Its 2012, time to discuss the hard stuff.

The Peeler

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On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:14:48 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:


>>P-Dub: Anyone who believes the garbage known as the 'protocols of Zion'
>>- is garbage. You would have to be a complete moron, or just a racist
>>bigot piece of shit.
>
> Anyone who sucks jew rectums is a piece of jewloving shit. That means
> YOU, you fucking asshole.

You simply can't "fuck", right, The Rectum? It just SHOWS!!!!! LOL

--
The top 5 truths about our resident psychopath, The Rectum:

the desperate psycho can't SLEEP anymore,
he can't get out of the house anymore,
he got NOBODY to talk to anymore,
he can't FUCK anymore,
he got no life outside Usenet AT ALL!

Uncle Steve

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Jan 7, 2012, 9:57:46 AM1/7/12
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Police and courts aren't good enough to administer justice, we must allow
right-tard losers to use terrorism and hate to see that 'justice' is
done, eh?

There is probably some truth to the proposition that security forces
in the West are precipitating terrorist incidents to "prove" that
such-and-such group is composed of rabid animals who need the
peace-keeping services of the West in order to foment some
bastardized ideal of peace, such as what is now the case in Iraq.

We already know you fascists are willing to murder civilians /in/ the
West so as to 'prove' a need for increased surveillance, increased
invasions of privacy, greatly expanded executive powers, and ever more
restrictive legislation. Whores.


Regards,

Uncle Steve

--
10+ years dispossessed and made to reside in a ghetto-gulag, plus
theft of intellectual property and sabotage of same.
20+ years denial of service by police and the judicial branch,
accompanied by state-sponsored attacks and character assassination by
right-tards, pigs, and their handlers.
= 30 years false sense of security from The Charter of Rights and Freedoms

Padraigh ProAmerica

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Jan 7, 2012, 10:08:32 AM1/7/12
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Juice Forehead Brew?

WTF?

English, please?

Padraigh ProAmerica

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Jan 7, 2012, 10:11:54 AM1/7/12
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Inability to put togther any sort of coherent argument duly noted.

Brad Guth

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Jan 7, 2012, 11:10:19 AM1/7/12
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Perhaps if the police and courts of our republic were not social/
political skewed in order to suit their very own from of conditional
laws and regulations, and otherwise bothered to do a better job of
policing their own kind, would help.

When governments and their many agencies get to do as they please and
obfuscate in order to have unlimited do-overs, is kind of
problematic. Some of the largest mainstream religions are none
better, because they set the standards of not policing their own kind
as of long ago.

Religions need to be licensed as private clubs, and held 100%
accountable for their actions/reactions.

Uncle Steve

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Jan 7, 2012, 11:30:06 AM1/7/12
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Don't bother replying again, Brad. You're just as much of propoganda
shill as any of the more literate assholes currently infesting the
Internet. I have nothing to say to you. Get lost, fuck off, and get
a real job.

Forehead

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You're all a bunch of trolls

Warhol

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Jan 7, 2012, 5:00:41 PM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 8:41 pm, Forehead <u...@localhost.invalid> wrote:
> You're all a bunch of trolls


unfortunetly, Forehead, i no longer believe anything you say. ever.

The Pieces of The Puzzle Have Been Revealed!!! a Great Turic Tragedy
is About to Hit The Juice Heartland...

Like I´ve told you guys time and time before

Brad Guth

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Jan 7, 2012, 8:20:45 PM1/7/12
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Besides unjustified hate crimes against any humanity that doesn't
agree with you, what has "Uncle Steve" or whatever other bogus name
you have to go by, contributed or helped to resolve anything that was
of any help to others?

Besides being a mainstream parrot pretender at science and physics,
are you also a pretend Atheist?

Why do you even bother to pretend to care?

Uncle Steve

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Jan 7, 2012, 8:54:31 PM1/7/12
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My dislike of your Usenet persona is entirely based on esthetic
grounds. Get lost, creep.

joeturn

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Jan 8, 2012, 12:19:30 PM1/8/12
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> = 30 years false sense of security from The Charter of Rights and Freedoms- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNzlZOTfXU8&feature=related

joeturn

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Jan 8, 2012, 10:36:16 PM1/8/12
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On Jan 6, 3:56 pm, Forehead <u...@localhost.invalid> wrote:
You are right Albert Pike and Aleister Crowley were not of sane mind!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOSt_SJkYTg

http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/aleister-crowley/

http://darkbooks.org/pp.php?v=1728400953

Brad Guth

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Jan 8, 2012, 10:44:57 PM1/8/12
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Book stores usually have a cozy corner where all sorts of those
eyecandy popup books can be viewed (some can even speak to you upon
opening a new popup page). You should go there if you don't like
whatever the real world has to say.

Uncle Steve

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Jan 9, 2012, 2:40:13 AM1/9/12
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On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 07:44:57PM -0800, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> Book stores usually have a cozy corner where all sorts of those
> eyecandy popup books can be viewed (some can even speak to you upon
> opening a new popup page). You should go there if you don't like
> whatever the real world has to say.

I'm fine with the real world, and I can use proper English as well.
No need to speak with a 'tard who (a) is immune to facts (b) deluded
by no small number of magic mystical fantasy-world propositions, and
(c) who is unable to communicate without recourse to diarrhetic word
salad.

Later, 'tard-boy

Brad Guth

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Jan 9, 2012, 2:58:29 AM1/9/12
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But you seem to have a serious problem of avoiding whatever I might
have to say, so I must be doing something right.

Is your hate of all things imperfect about humans, self taught?

Do you instead assist or take care of any animals? (not capable?)

Why not post a list of others you have assisted, so that we can be
impressed by your vast wisdom and independent expertise on everything
under the sun.

Uncle Steve

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Jan 9, 2012, 3:20:09 AM1/9/12
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On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 11:58:29PM -0800, Brad Guth wrote:
[snip]

Come on Brad. Let's have another story about Venus or the Moon. You
know, something light and not too hard so all your fellow retards can
understand it.

Brad Guth

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On Jan 9, 12:20 am, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 11:58:29PM -0800, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Come on Brad.  Let's have another story about Venus or the Moon.  You
> know, something light and not too hard so all your fellow retards can
> understand it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Uncle Steve

Fair enough, but perhaps not here in this topic "Protocols of Zion",
because that would be silly, though not that Warhol would mind. The
extremely nearby planet Venus isn't as humanly insurmountable as
yourself and most others seem to think, so why not trade a few stories
back and forth. I already have many topics posted that relate to our
exploiting whatever Venus has to offer, and no doubt you can help by
telling us what we can or can not do within existing technology.

joeturn

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Jan 15, 2012, 2:39:09 AM1/15/12
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Radio signals will not pass through the earths magnetosphere GCRs and
the SPEs destroies them,thus it is not possible to communicate with RF
above the Van Allen Belt.You cant get pictures back from from
Mars,Jupiter,Venus,not even the moon, you cant talk to an astronaut on
the moon,you cant track a satellite/voyager above 25,000 miles from
the earths surface.This means you cant tell how much gold is on EROS
using fake reports from NEAR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB5u_VTt6M&feature=player_embedded

bill

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On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:39:09 -0800, joeturn wrote:

> On Jan 9, 3:40 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 12:20 am, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 11:58:29PM -0800, Brad Guth wrote:
>>
>> > [snip]
>>
>> > Come on Brad.  Let's have another story about Venus or the Moon.  You
>> > know, something light and not too hard so all your fellow retards can
>> > understand it.
>>
>> > Regards,
>>
>> > Uncle Steve
>>
>> Fair enough, but perhaps not here in this topic "Protocols of Zion",
>> because that would be silly, though not that Warhol would mind.  The
>> extremely nearby planet Venus isn't as humanly insurmountable as
>> yourself and most others seem to think, so why not trade a few stories
>> back and forth.  I already have many topics posted that relate to our
>> exploiting whatever Venus has to offer, and no doubt you can help by
>> telling us what we can or can not do within existing technology.
>>
>>  http://translate.google.com/#
>>  Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> Radio signals will not pass through the earths magnetosphere GCRs and
> the SPEs destroies them,thus it is not possible to communicate with RF
> above the Van Allen Belt.You cant get pictures back from from
> Mars,Jupiter,Venus,not even the moon,

So how the hell does a radio amateur manage to do moon bounce
communications from a back yard system?

And don't tell me it can't be done because I've seen it done.

joeturn

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Jan 15, 2012, 3:16:27 AM1/15/12
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> If you want loyalty,  buy a dog...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Are you sure its an actual RF signal being bounced off the moon or
could it be probagation of the ionosphere effected by the moons
electro-magnetic field?Cosmic radiation and gamma radiation and solar
particles distort RF beyond usable communication or so the real story
goes.Tghat hamster does not know what is happening he only goes by
what he has been taught!

Do you believe Area 51 contained aliens that crashed near Roswel,New
Mexico?

Do you think Paul Reveere made that notorius 24 mile ride to warn the
minutemen that the Brittish were coming?

Its all folk lure and Science fiction.

NASA created the alien BS to milk the herd out of mega money for star
wars.They never attemted to send anyone to the moon,as they knew it
was and still is impossible!

Moon Bounce is technobabble for Skip!

Keith W

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joeturn wrote:
>
> Are you sure its an actual RF signal being bounced off the moon or
> could it be probagation of the ionosphere effected by the moons
> electro-magnetic field?Cosmic radiation and gamma radiation and solar
> particles distort RF beyond usable communication or so the real story
> goes.Tghat hamster does not know what is happening he only goes by
> what he has been taught!
>

Well let me put it this way

1) The round trip time is right for a trip to the moon and back

2) If you move it so it no longer points at the moon the signal
doesn't come back

3) If you leave it pointing at the same portion of sky the return
signal is lost as the moon progresses in its orbit

It's a perfectly reproducible experiment carried out by many
radio amateurs, try it and explain the results if you can.

Oh by the way the TV coverage of the sunken cruise ship
I am watching right now comes from a satellite in orbit and
if I move the antennae the signal drops

Keith


Padraigh ProAmerica

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Listen up, you jackass:

RADIO SIGNALS CAN TRAVEL THROUGH SPACE.

Ever hear of radioastronomy? They have huge antennas for that purpose in
places like Green Bank, WV, Joddrell Bank, England and ARaceibo, Puerto
Rico.

Some amateur radio operators expeiment with 'moonbounce' contacts- using
the moon as a passive reflector. Some have a large number of contacts
made that way.

Padraigh ProAmerica

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The moon has no magnetic field, dimbulb. It's too 'cold' internally to
generate one.

It wasn't a UFO at Roswell, it was a baloon from Project Mogul.
Area 51 is a resrach facility for classified, high=performance aircrat.
It doesn't have a refrigerated morgue for imaginary little green men.

Revere didn't finish his ride; he was captured. His companion, a doctor
(Dawes? The old memory dosn't work to well on cold mornings!) did. Wha
connection does this have with any of this?

There's a HUGE difference between monbounce and atmospheric 'skip', like
the time lag on moonbounce signals. On VHF (above 30 MHz), skip is a
rare but fascinating phenomena; on my scanner I'vev heard over 30 states
on skip signals, some now may never be heard again.

Yet another area where you show -zero- knowledge. Why don't you try
finding out about these things before you blast off? HINT: YouTube is
NOT- repeat NOT- a rliable source of informatoion.

bill

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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:16:27 -0800, joeturn wrote:


> Are you sure its an actual RF signal being bounced off the moon or could
> it be probagation of the ionosphere effected by the moons
> electro-magnetic field?Cosmic radiation and gamma radiation and solar
> particles distort RF beyond usable communication or so the real story
> goes.Tghat hamster does not know what is happening he only goes by what
> he has been taught!

Time delay is correct.

If you don't point the Yagi at the moon it stops working.

It's being bounced off the moon.

> Do you believe Area 51 contained aliens that crashed near Roswel,New
> Mexico?

No.

> Do you think Paul Reveere made that notorius 24 mile ride to warn the
> minutemen that the Brittish were coming?

Not only do I not know, I don't care either.

>
> Moon Bounce is technobabble for Skip!


Nope.

What you call 'skip' doesn't work at the frequencies used, that's a HF
phenomenon. It wasn't 'sporadic E' either. The timing and attack angle
was all wrong, well, unless you can get more than a dozen
circumnavigations from 'sporadic E' and get it to come straight down...

I actually did this sort of thing for money for many years and I do know
what I'm talking about.

Tony Owens

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Jan 15, 2012, 1:49:06 PM1/15/12
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A radio wave travels as fast as light, 180,000 miles per second which
explains how a ham radio moon bounce (i.e.) a signal from earth to the moon
and then back to earth takes 1 second. There is no obstacle to any radio
signal in whatever form (pictures, radio, TV,) to be aimed into space at a
particular target and not to destinate. What all this has to do with the
anti-Semitic Russian-created "Protocols" is beyond comprehension.



"bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jeu0el$53v$1...@dont-email.me...
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:39:09 -0800, joeturn wrote:
>
> > On Jan 9, 3:40Â am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 9, 12:20Â am, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 11:58:29PM -0800, Brad Guth wrote:
> >>
> >> > [snip]
> >>
> >> > Come on Brad. Â Let's have another story about Venus or the Moon. Â
You
> >> > know, something light and not too hard so all your fellow retards can
> >> > understand it.
> >>
> >> > Regards,
> >>
> >> > Uncle Steve
> >>
> >> Fair enough, but perhaps not here in this topic "Protocols of Zion",
> >> because that would be silly, though not that Warhol would mind. Â The
> >> extremely nearby planet Venus isn't as humanly insurmountable as
> >> yourself and most others seem to think, so why not trade a few stories
> >> back and forth. Â I already have many topics posted that relate to our
> >> exploiting whatever Venus has to offer, and no doubt you can help by
> >> telling us what we can or can not do within existing technology.
> >>
> >> Â http://translate.google.com/#
> >> Â Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / â?oGuth Usenetâ?ť

Warhol

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Jan 15, 2012, 1:59:52 PM1/15/12
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Remember... space is vacuum... No waves can propagate in vacuum or in
the emptiness of space... electromagnetic waves need a Medium called
Aether=Air.

NASA High priest didn't pay much attention in the physic class...
That's why they are exposed as liars and hoaxers for ever and ever...
Like Icarus they flew to high...

Exposing the Dishonesty of the Space Agency Hoax... Yes, there really
is a big hoax... No Satellites, No ISS, No Space-travel... all a
gigantic LIE...

As impossible as it may sound at first, and I have been studying this
for several years now... And I am positive... No such thing as space
travel... final conclusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g30ag_c3gA8



On Jan 15, 4:55 pm, saulle...@cox.net wrote:
> YOU ARE ONE VERY SICK IN THE HEAD MOTHERFUCKER, joe!
>
> INSANE AS A SHIT-HOUSE RAT!
>
> YOU AND THE PIG (WARPHOLE) HAVE MUCH IN COMMON!
>
> THE RELIGION AND THE RADIATION YOU WORRY ABOUT HAS DESTROYED YOUR
> HEAD!
>
> YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
>
> Saul Levy
>
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:39:09 -0800 (PST), joeturn

bill

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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:49:06 -0500, Tony Owens wrote:

> A radio wave travels as fast as light, 180,000 miles per second which
> explains how a ham radio moon bounce (i.e.) a signal from earth to the
> moon and then back to earth takes 1 second.

Longer...

Andrew Chaplin

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"Tony Owens" <owens...@university.edu> wrote in
news:4f131fab$0$18277$607e...@cv.net:

> A radio wave travels as fast as light, 180,000 miles per second which
> explains how a ham radio moon bounce (i.e.) a signal from earth to the
> moon and then back to earth takes 1 second.

The speed of light in m/h is 186,000, near as dammit to 300,000 Km/h. The
moon orbits between 363,000 and 405,000 Km from the earth, so is, on
average, 385,000. 2x385,000/300,000=2.6 s.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

joeturn

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The Satellite you are watching is only 22,500 miles high.

While your antenna is pointed at the moon,the moon blocks the CGRs and
SPEs to the degree you can receive the bounce off the Ionosphere,if
you move your antenna the signal gets overtaken by them. HAARP is a
prime example. The Ionusphere is being bombarded with megawatts to
creat a bubble like lens that can reflect their EMFs to specific
areas.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/HAARP.htm

Keith W

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Jan 15, 2012, 4:02:04 PM1/15/12
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joeturn wrote:
> On Jan 15, 8:01 am, "Keith W" <keithnospoofsple...@demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> joeturn wrote:
>>
>>> Are you sure its an actual RF signal being bounced off the moon or
>>> could it be probagation of the ionosphere effected by the moons
>>> electro-magnetic field?Cosmic radiation and gamma radiation and
>>> solar particles distort RF beyond usable communication or so the
>>> real story goes.Tghat hamster does not know what is happening he
>>> only goes by what he has been taught!
>>
>> Well let me put it this way
>>
>> 1) The round trip time is right for a trip to the moon and back
>>
>> 2) If you move it so it no longer points at the moon the signal
>> doesn't come back
>>
>> 3) If you leave it pointing at the same portion of sky the return
>> signal is lost as the moon progresses in its orbit
>>
>> It's a perfectly reproducible experiment carried out by many
>> radio amateurs, try it and explain the results if you can.
>>
>> Oh by the way the TV coverage of the sunken cruise ship
>> I am watching right now comes from a satellite in orbit and
>> if I move the antennae the signal drops
>>
>> Keith
>
> The Satellite you are watching is only 22,500 miles high.
>

And this is well outside the ionosphere

> While your antenna is pointed at the moon,the moon blocks the CGRs and
> SPEs to the degree you can receive the bounce off the Ionosphere,

Not so, the the signal would bounce back in much less than the 2.6
seconds it otherwise takes. In any event the moon is rarely in a
position to block solar particles and never in a position to
block cosmic rays. The moon has a tiny magnetosphere so
blocks very little radiation.

> if
> you move your antenna the signal gets overtaken by them. HAARP is a
> prime example. The Ionusphere is being bombarded with megawatts to
> creat a bubble like lens that can reflect their EMFs to specific
> areas.
>
> http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/HAARP.htm

You are out of your tiny mind.

1) People were bouncing radio signals off the moon decades before
HAARP came on line

2) Megawatts of power is insignificant in terms of the solar radiation
that falls on Earth which is estimated as being around 45 terawatts

3) There is no physical mechanism to perform the feat you describe

You are clearly ignorant of the basic tenets of physics, I am not.

Keith


joeturn

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Jan 15, 2012, 4:15:16 PM1/15/12
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On Jan 15, 1:49 pm, "Tony Owens" <owenston...@university.edu> wrote:
> A radio wave travels as fast as light, 180,000 miles per second which
> explains how a ham radio moon bounce (i.e.) a signal from earth to the moon
> and then back to earth takes 1 second. There is no obstacle to any radio
> signal in whatever form (pictures, radio, TV,) to be aimed into space at a
> particular target and not to destinate. What all this has to do with the
> anti-Semitic Russian-created "Protocols" is beyond comprehension.
>
> "bill" <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jeu0el$53v$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:39:09 -0800, joeturn wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 9, 3:40Â am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Jan 9, 12:20Â am, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 11:58:29PM -0800, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > >> > [snip]
>
> > >> > Come on Brad. Â Let's have another story about Venus or the Moon. Â
> You
> > >> > know, something light and not too hard so all your fellow retards can
> > >> > understand it.
>
> > >> > Regards,
>
> > >> > Uncle Steve
>
> > >> Fair enough, but perhaps not here in this topic "Protocols of Zion",
> > >> because that would be silly, though not that Warhol would mind. Â The
> > >> extremely nearby planet Venus isn't as humanly insurmountable as
> > >> yourself and most others seem to think, so why not trade a few stories
> > >> back and forth. Â I already have many topics posted that relate to our
> > >> exploiting whatever Venus has to offer, and no doubt you can help by
> > >> telling us what we can or can not do within existing technology.
>
> > >> Âhttp://translate.google.com/#
> > >> Â Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / â?oGuth Usenetâ?
>
> > > Radio signals will not pass through the earths magnetosphere GCRs and
> > > the SPEs destroies them,thus it is not possible to communicate with RF
> > > above the Van Allen Belt.You cant get pictures back from from
> > > Mars,Jupiter,Venus,not even the moon,
>
> > So how the hell does a radio amateur manage to do moon bounce
> > communications from a back yard system?
>
> > And don't tell me it can't be done because I've seen it done.
>
> > --
> > William Black
>
> > Free men have open minds
> > If you want loyalty,  buy a dog...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Do you realy think that the light you see from the sun is 8 minutes
old?

GovShill

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Jan 15, 2012, 4:33:44 PM1/15/12
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Do you think it's not???

Wow! What a moron.

Shill #2

joeturn

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On Jan 15, 1:59 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Remember... space is vacuum... No waves can propagate in vacuum or in
> the emptiness of space... electromagnetic waves need a Medium called
> Aether=Air.
>
> NASA High priest didn't pay much attention in the physic class...
> That's why they are exposed as liars and hoaxers for ever and ever...
> Like Icarus they flew to high...
>
> Exposing the Dishonesty of the Space Agency Hoax... Yes, there really
> is a big hoax... No Satellites, No ISS, No Space-travel... all a
> gigantic LIE...

There are satellites,in the Clark Belt this is the only thing NASA has
achieved it was part of their spy in the sks project,there main goal
was to be able to use satellites to keep tract of other governments,by
transferring RF imformation from one sat to the next in direct line of
sight.
>
> As impossible as it may sound at first, and I have been studying this
> for several years now... And I am positive... No such thing as space
> travel... final conclusion.


The ISS is only about 500 miles high way below the threat of radiation
from the van allen belt and space travel to there was achieved.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g30ag_c3gA8
>
> On Jan 15, 4:55 pm, saulle...@cox.net wrote:
>
>
>
> > YOU ARE ONE VERY SICK IN THE HEAD MOTHERFUCKER, joe!
>
> > INSANE AS A SHIT-HOUSE RAT!
>
> > YOU AND THE PIG (WARPHOLE) HAVE MUCH IN COMMON!
>
> > THE RELIGION AND THE RADIATION YOU WORRY ABOUT HAS DESTROYED YOUR
> > HEAD!
>
> > YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
>
> > Saul Levy
>
> > On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:39:09 -0800 (PST), joeturn
>
> > <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >Radio signals will not pass through the earths magnetosphere GCRs and
> > >the SPEs destroies them,thus it is not possible to communicate with RF
> > >above the Van Allen Belt.You cant get pictures back from from
> > >Mars,Jupiter,Venus,not even the moon, you cant talk to an astronaut on
> > >the moon,you cant track a satellite/voyager above 25,000 miles from
> > >the earths surface.This means you cant tell how much gold is on EROS
> > >using fake reports from NEAR.
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB5u_VTt6M&feature=player_embedded- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Time travel is a complete impossibility!

joeturn

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HAARP uses the Ionosphere to create precise directed EMFs as stated in
the link by creating a buble-like lens in the Ionosphere like unto
fish eye lens.
>
> 2) Megawatts of power is insignificant in terms of the solar radiation
> that falls on Earth which is estimated as being around 45 terawatts

So how many watts does the moons magnetospher have to block the solar
and cosmic radiation before you can receive skip off the Ionosphere.
>
> 3) There is no physical mechanism to perform the feat you describe

Sure their is your phoney circular polarity.
>
> You are clearly ignorant of the basic tenets of physics, I am not.

So your ignorant of much more it appears!
>
> Keith- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The word PHYSICS starts with PH this replaces the F which stands for
False. You are a PHd means you are fully indoctrinated in falsehoods.

You should have quit school early so you could home school your self
in reality.

joeturn

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Jan 15, 2012, 4:42:20 PM1/15/12
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> Shill #2- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes I exactly think its not .I think it is instantanious and its speed
can not be determined.It travels at the speed of an electric current
that has no resistance!

Thanks for asking Shit #2

George152

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On 1/16/2012 9:38 AM, joeturn wrote:
> The Satellite you are watching is only 22,500 miles high. While your
> antenna is pointed at the moon,the moon blocks the CGRs and SPEs to
> the degree you can receive the bounce off the Ionosphere,if you move
> your antenna the signal gets overtaken by them. HAARP is a prime
> example. The Ionusphere is being bombarded with megawatts to creat a
> bubble like lens that can reflect their EMFs to specific areas.
> http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/HAARP.htm
Decoder ring time!

GovShill

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Jan 15, 2012, 5:18:43 PM1/15/12
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

What an idiot!

Shill #2

Keith W

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Jan 15, 2012, 5:32:46 PM1/15/12
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No answer I see

>>> if
>>> you move your antenna the signal gets overtaken by them. HAARP is a
>>> prime example. The Ionusphere is being bombarded with megawatts to
>>> creat a bubble like lens that can reflect their EMFs to specific
>>> areas.
>>
>>> http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/HAARP.htm
>>
>> You are out of your tiny mind.
>>
>> 1) People were bouncing radio signals off the moon decades before
>> HAARP came on line
>
> HAARP uses the Ionosphere to create precise directed EMFs as stated in
> the link by creating a buble-like lens in the Ionosphere like unto
> fish eye lens.


A fine example of frontier gibberish - congtatulations


>>
>> 2) Megawatts of power is insignificant in terms of the solar
>> radiation that falls on Earth which is estimated as being around 45
>> terawatts
>
> So how many watts does the moons magnetospher have to block the solar
> and cosmic radiation before you can receive skip off the Ionosphere.

None - to all intents and purposes the moon has no magnetosphere

>>
>> 3) There is no physical mechanism to perform the feat you describe
>
> Sure their is your phoney circular polarity.
>>
>> You are clearly ignorant of the basic tenets of physics, I am not.
>
> So your ignorant of much more it appears!

Indeed and unlike you I am contantly trying to remedy
that by learning new things

>>
>> Keith- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The word PHYSICS starts with PH this replaces the F which stands for
> False.

Well no , the word physics is derived from the Greek ta physika
which means "the natural things"

Thanks for playing but you lose.

> You are a PHd means you are fully indoctrinated in falsehoods.
>

That you for the compliment but I have no PhD

> You should have quit school early so you could home school your self
> in reality.

Son I left school at 16 and spent the next 10 years going to night
school while I worked for a living so spare me the reality shit.

Keith


joeturn

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Jan 15, 2012, 9:35:02 PM1/15/12
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> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Soo you spent 10 extra years of wasted time schooling.
If at first you dont suceed keep sucking seed wil come/

You were spared reality,by not home schooling yourself.

bill

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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:15:16 -0800, joeturn wrote:


> Do you realy think that the light you see from the sun is 8 minutes old?

I've actually seen it proven.

How long do you think it takes?
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