William Cooper expressed apparently only one point that is not correct
Patricia Johnson-Holm
The Nordic sent to go against the Mj12 is the one to do
the work of the Enigma (see crop circles 1991). The work of the
Enigma is Rev. 20:1-3.
Roswell Female Warrior (as per the Translation of alien writing
found in the Roswell Crashed Craft) the Washington State one is
Nordic. If the other was Pleadian then that one appears to have
died in an automobile crash in the late 1980's.
BTW Mj12 (Bush Sr. is part of) > Hoover Institution >
Hoovers Online> Bush Jr.
Lou MinattiŽ
>
> The one point that William Cooper expressed that is not correct.
Cooper shot a cop in the head. He had no credibility.
--
Proud American Infidel™.
http://www.watchingyou.com
Airborne
Patricia Johnson-Holm
> Patricia Johnson-Holm wrote:
> >
> > The one point that William Cooper expressed that is not correct.
>
> Cooper shot a cop in the head. He had no credibility.
That of course is hard to understand without being there. But the
work that he did was brave to say the least. Most of any content
of his data has been kept from me until just recently. When finally
getting to see it - it was AMAZING. Because even though there was
not opportunity to compare notes the material is basically the same
content just from different prospectives. So it is regret when any
life is taken, but until we know what really happened how can we
judge?
Patricia Johnson-Holm
by me was TOTALLY different then what WAS SAID. If you will notice
the >> supposedly indicates my comment. NOT TRUE - The single >
thou it indicates Lou Minatti wrote it, is REALLY MY comment.
This is just another example of discrediting or trying to put
words on the Internet that were NOT said by me.
_______________________________________________________________
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Patricia Johnson-Holm
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Lou MinattiŽ
>
> Lou Minatti? <loumi...@watchingyou.com> wrote in message news:<3BF2FA...@watchingyou.com>...
> > Patricia Johnson-Holm wrote:
> > >
> > > The one point that William Cooper expressed that is not correct.
> >
> > Cooper shot a cop in the head. He had no credibility.
>
> That of course is hard to understand without being there.
It is not hard to understand. There is no excuse for shooting a cop in
the head. None.
Art's Good Twin
tell a Pleaidean from a Martian? Martians are hung like stallions.
Hit1Hard
>
> Whoa, it's that deadly Pleaidean-crop circle-ROswell connection again. How can you
> tell a Pleaidean from a Martian? Martians are hung like stallions.
Yeah.. and? Are pleaideans bigger or smaller hung then stallions?
--
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posted:
>Cooper shot a cop in the head. He had no credibility.
Are you a cop-worshpper? If so, why? Did it EVER occur to you that the
ONLY WAY a Police State can be established is through the police
themselves?
Even retired Officer Jack McLamb of the Phoenix Police Department,
originator of the "Officer Friendly" program, and one of the most
decorated cops in Arizona, stated many times that: "TYRANNY CANNOT
COME TO THE DOOR UNLESS IT COMES IN UNIFORM."
You ought to seriously Think about that - EVERYONE SHOULD.
Fre...@liberty.com
Johnson-Holm) posted:
>That of course is hard to understand without being there.
There are a LOT of things which have NOT been revealed. Not only is it
Totally unlike Mr. Cooper to have done what he was ALLEGED to have
done - threatened a neighbor with a gun. It simply was NOT in his
character.
Sure, there is an Alleged report faxed from the Apache County
Sheriff's office, but CAN WE BELIEVE IT? And have police Agencies in
general Demonstrated themselves to be the Friends, or ENEMIES of
Freedom and Liberty???
Oh, and HEY Y'ALL, DID ANYONE OUT THERE OTHER THAN MYSELF FIND IT A
BIT ODD THAT BILL COOPER'S BODY HAS APPARENTLY REMAINED UNBURIED FOR
***NINE DAYS***, HIS DEATH HAVING OCCURRED EARLY NOVEMBER SIXTH, YET
THE "Memorial Services" (at Jewkes Mortuary) NOT OCCURRING UNTIL
NOVEMBER FIFTEENTH???
AND NOTICE THE VERY LITTLE, AS CLOSE AS ZERO COVERAGE AS POSSIBLE
BEING GIVEN TO THIS MATTER IN THE MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA CONTROLLED
MEDIA!!
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE???
>But the
>work that he did was brave to say the least.
Very Brave, and True to his word, better known as Integrity. His
Enemies may have been able to take his life, BUT THEY CAN NEVER TAKE
THAT!
>Most of any content
>of his data has been kept from me until just recently. When finally
>getting to see it - it was AMAZING.
Oh, yes - and Amazing is only for openers.
>Because even though there was
>not opportunity to compare notes the material is basically the same
>content just from different prospectives.
Consistency was another of Bill's attributes.
>So it is regret when any
>life is taken, but until we know what really happened how can we
>judge?
We can DIG for it. If Bill Cooper taught us anything, it's that THERE
IS NO INFORMATION SO SECRETIVE THAT IT CANNOT BE DUG UP DILIGENTLY!!!
The Bible Confirms this Fact:
--------------------------------------------------------------
For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed;
neither hid, that shall not be known.
Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard
in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in
closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
--- Gospel of Luke 12:2-3
--------------------------------------------------------------
Lou MinattiŽ
>
> On 14 Nov 2001 23:14:40 GMT, Lou Minatti® <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
OK. I thought about it. Cop killers suck.
Lou MinattiŽ
>
> This is a deliberate attempt to make it look like what was said
> by me was TOTALLY different then what WAS SAID. If you will notice
> the >> supposedly indicates my comment. NOT TRUE - The single >
> thou it indicates Lou Minatti wrote it, is REALLY MY comment.
> This is just another example of discrediting or trying to put
> words on the Internet that were NOT said by me.
I have no idea what you're blithering about. If we follow the thread
back, you wrote:
"The one point that William Cooper expressed that is not correct."
Message-ID: <628cb168.01111...@posting.google.com>
I wrote back:
"Cooper shot a cop in the head. He had no credibility." Message-ID:
<628cb168.01111...@posting.google.com>
You replied:
"That of course is hard to understand without being there...."
Message-ID: <628cb168.01111...@posting.google.com>
Is someone forging your messages? Did someone hack into your account?
Who is trying to "discredit" you?
_______________________________________________________________
> RuPr...@earthlink.net (Patricia Johnson-Holm) wrote in message news:<628cb168.01111...@posting.google.com>...
> > Lou Minatti? <loumi...@watchingyou.com> wrote in message news:<3BF2FA...@watchingyou.com>...
> > > Patricia Johnson-Holm wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The one point that William Cooper expressed that is not correct.
> > >
> > > Cooper shot a cop in the head. He had no credibility.
> >
> > That of course is hard to understand without being there. But the
> > work that he did was brave to say the least. Most of any content
> > of his data has been kept from me until just recently. When finally
> > getting to see it - it was AMAZING. Because even though there was
> > not opportunity to compare notes the material is basically the same
> > content just from different prospectives. So it is regret when any
> > life is taken, but until we know what really happened how can we
> > judge?
--
Dan Campbell
>
> AND NOTICE THE VERY LITTLE, AS CLOSE AS ZERO COVERAGE AS POSSIBLE
> BEING GIVEN TO THIS MATTER IN THE MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA CONTROLLED
> MEDIA!!
>
> WHAT'S GOING ON HERE???
>
Once the initial report of his death was made public, people who publish the news for a living (whether the press or TV) have little interest in Cooper. He is (was) just an obscure figure of no real importance to anybody (except for his family, of course, and his worshippers here on alt.conspiracy).
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>OK. I thought about it. Cop killers suck.
What about those Corrupt, Treasonous, Brutal cops who Forsake their
Oaths of Office? They suck too!
Fre...@liberty.com
KNOW AREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
Oh, like Randy Weaver, the Branch Davidians, Shirley Allen, and JoAnn
McGuckin, to name a few? And They got a LOT more coverage than Cooper
and before they did, WHO EVER HEARD OF THEM?
You'll have to try again - you struck out with that explanation.
--------------------------------------------------
If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City.
--- Cmdr William Cooper,
Second Continental Army of the Republic Militia
--------------------------------------------------
Andrew Carol
wrote:
> NOBODY WHO'S TALKING ABOUT IT KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED AND THOSE WHO DO
> KNOW AREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT.
Of course we note you are talking about it, which means.....
--- Andy
Harrison Numbugger
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:30:26 GMT, Dan Campbell <dan...@home.com>
>posted:
>
>>Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> AND NOTICE THE VERY LITTLE, AS CLOSE AS ZERO COVERAGE AS POSSIBLE
>>> BEING GIVEN TO THIS MATTER IN THE MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA CONTROLLED
>>> MEDIA!!
>>>
>>> WHAT'S GOING ON HERE???
>>>
>>Once the initial report of his death was made public, people who publish
>>the news for a living (whether the press or TV) have little interest in
>>Cooper. He is (was) just an obscure figure of no real importance to anybody
>>(except for his family, of course, and his worshippers here on
>>alt.conspiracy).
>
>Oh, like Randy Weaver, the Branch Davidians, Shirley Allen, and JoAnn
>McGuckin, to name a few? And They got a LOT more coverage than Cooper
>and before they did, WHO EVER HEARD OF THEM?
>
>You'll have to try again - you struck out with that explanation.
simply another dead criminal. where's the news in that?
>--------------------------------------------------
>If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
>committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
>just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
>Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City.
> --- Cmdr William Cooper,
> Second Continental Army of the Republic Militia
>--------------------------------------------------
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Harrison Numbugger
sure they do, but that certainly doesn't justify what that idiot
cooper did.
Tanja L Davidson
and how do you know that the cop that Cooper shot was one of those?
My brother is a cop and he's a good one. I'd hate to think of a criminal
shooting him and then having to listen to people whine about the criminal
being shot.
: On 16 Nov 2001 02:41:21 GMT, Lou MinattiŽ <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
Airborne
standoff, which he could have ended at any time, sparing his poor disciples a
fiery death, which he himself caused by pouring gas on hay bales.
Cooper still languishes in obscurity, and a year from now, it will be the same.
Common criminal with a radio show, spouting garbage about non-existent enemies.
Airborne
Are you presuming that most cops are that way? Bullshit. The vast
majority of them are good citizens trying to honorably do their jobs.
It's naive to think that the local officers who were attempting to arrest
Cooper were somehow tainted by some vast conspiracy that, in fact, doesn't
exist. They wanted him on a local charge, and he was stupid enough to
shoot instead of taking a coupe of months in jail. Just plain dumb.
Oh, but he would have been hung in jail by evil conspiracy-minded
convicts, right?
Airborne
> NOBODY WHO'S TALKING ABOUT IT KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED AND THOSE WHO DO
> KNOW AREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT.
Again, naive. There's nothing to know, except that he pulled a gun,
shot a cop, and was in turn shot. How do you know YOU know what the
hell happened? You keep talking about a federal conspiracy to kill him,
but haven't produced a shred of evidence. Nor can you.
Andrew Carol
<myemailR...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:10 GMT, Airborne <f...@away.com> wrote:
>
> >It's naive to think that the local officers who were attempting to arrest
> >Cooper were somehow tainted by some vast conspiracy that,
>
> Well you didn't read the police report did you? It's full of TAINT.
New World Order is everywhere!
Booo!
--- Andy
Lou MinattiŽ
>
> On 16 Nov 2001 02:41:21 GMT, Lou Minatti® <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
> posted:
>
> >OK. I thought about it. Cop killers suck.
>
> What about those Corrupt, Treasonous, Brutal cops who Forsake their
> Oaths of Office? They suck too!
Do you have any evidence that Cooper's victim was "corrupt, treasonous,
brutal"? What's that you say? You don't?
Cooper is prime example of what can happen to someone who gets wrapped
up in these kooky conspiracy theories. I hope for your sake that you
snap out of it.
Ragnar
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
news:3bfa9b0b...@news2.ripco.com...
> NOBODY WHO'S TALKING ABOUT IT KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED AND THOSE WHO DO
> KNOW AREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT.
>
I note that you seem to talk a lot about it. That must mean you know
nothing.
Arthur Boff
news:3bfa9ca4...@news2.ripco.com...
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:30:26 GMT, Dan Campbell <dan...@home.com>
> posted:
>
> >Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> AND NOTICE THE VERY LITTLE, AS CLOSE AS ZERO COVERAGE AS POSSIBLE
> >> BEING GIVEN TO THIS MATTER IN THE MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA CONTROLLED
> >> MEDIA!!
> >>
> >> WHAT'S GOING ON HERE???
> >>
> >Once the initial report of his death was made public, people who publish
> >the news for a living (whether the press or TV) have little interest in
> >Cooper. He is (was) just an obscure figure of no real importance to
anybody
> >(except for his family, of course, and his worshippers here on
> >alt.conspiracy).
>
> Oh, like Randy Weaver, the Branch Davidians, Shirley Allen, and JoAnn
> McGuckin, to name a few? And They got a LOT more coverage than Cooper
> and before they did, WHO EVER HEARD OF THEM?
Note that the Weavers and the Davidians died in exciting, ratings-boosting
sieges. Cooper was dead before the TV companies could get on the scene.
Wart
Douglas Berry
Fre...@Liberty.com warmed at our fire and told this tale:
Do you have one shred of hard evidence that the officers involved were
any of those things? Or are just wetting yourself because Cooper was
finally called to task for violating the laws of his home state.
Don't answer if you are just intending to write one of your
trademarked, overblown, oddly-capitalized speeches.. yes or no to this
simple set of questions:
Do you have evidence that any of the officers involved in the attempt
to arrest Bill Cooper were any of the following:
a. In violation of a state or local law.
b. Operating outside the regulations of their department.
c. Breaking any element of the oath they took. (Please attach the
oath, with citations)
d. Had any complaints for excessive force.
e. Had ever been convicted of, or been investigated for, corruption.
f. Were guilty of treason as defined by the US Constitution and US
Code.
Remember, yes if you have proof that you would like to take to court.
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
NWO_Spookyguy
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:10 GMT, Airborne <f...@away.com> wrote:
>
> >It's naive to think that the local officers who were attempting to arrest
> >Cooper were somehow tainted by some vast conspiracy that,
>
> Well you didn't read the police report did you? It's full of TAINT.
Really? Can you prove that? Were you there? Was there anything suspicious?
This went down like a lot of other arrests, except the bad guy managed to get
some shots off. The hour was not suspicious, the lack of a camera crew was
not suspicious, they had the goods on him for a legit arrest. Not one single
militia nut can point to anything in particular that was wrong.
Lou MinattiŽ
Here's what the Cooper family has to say, from Cooper's Web site:
"Here is a fax from the Apache County Sheriff's office with the actual
details of the incident that we have confirmed to be accurate. ALL OTHER
REPORTS ARE FALSE and should be called on as such. Also BEWARE of other
sites and radio shows that say they are quoting williamcooper.com. We
have discovered that many of them are saying whatever they want and
calling it a quote from our site. This is the ONLY place where you will
see OUR findings."
Here's the fax: http://www.williamcooper.com/images/report.jpg
--
Juice says: "Happy Holidays!"
http://www.watchingyou.com
militiaguy
"NWO_Spookyguy" <iha...@emailaddr.com> wrote in message
news:3BFBC6D5...@emailaddr.com...
> Manny mumbled in paranoia:
>
> > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:10 GMT, Airborne <f...@away.com> wrote:
> >
Not one single
> militia nut can point to anything in particular that was wrong.
Now that is where you are wrong....
A militia nut can alway point to anything in particular or not particular or
not
even existent that can be thought of as wrong.
http://sonoguy.tripod.com/
>
Lou MinattiŽ
>
> On 22 Nov 2001 02:41:48 GMT, Lou Minatti® <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Here is a fax from the Apache County Sheriff's office with the actual
> >details of the incident that we have confirmed to be accurate. ALL OTHER
> >REPORTS ARE FALSE and should be called on as such. Also BEWARE of other
> >sites and radio shows that say they are quoting williamcooper.com. We
> >have discovered that many of them are saying whatever they want and
> >calling it a quote from our site. This is the ONLY place where you will
> >see OUR findings."
> >
> >Here's the fax: http://www.williamcooper.com/images/report.jpg
>
>
> Read paragraph # 4. Why is it necessary to build the cop that was shot
> up? His history with the police department and service in desert storm
> are not relevant to what happen during the attempted arrest. Was it
> not enough that the shot officer WAS an officer, in apparent good
> standing, and had been shot?
>
> Paragraph # 5 further confirms that, as far as the officer writing the
> report goes, he KNEW of the problems Cooper was having with the feds.
> I think the officer may have even mistated Cooper's position in that
> he allegedly "threatened to kill law enforcement personell and made
> those threats known through the use of his web site ... "
>
> Since you apparently know Cooper and this situation better than I
> would you be so kind as to provide me with the url where Cooper made
> such threats? There's no telling what other biases they carried with
> them just prior to setting out to arrest Cooper.
>
> I'm not saying they did or didn't do anything wrong. I am saying that
> the report is written in a DEFENSIVE posture wherein the reporting
> officer feels compelled to bolster the character of an officer shot in
> a report that should contain the facts of the attempted arrest and
> shooting. Not someone's biography.
>
> They can give him a commendation and a nice shiny medal to wear at a
> later date.
I hope they do, TAINT BOY.
Robert Sneddon
<myemailR...@hushmail.com> writes
>On 22 Nov 2001 02:41:48 GMT, Lou MinattiŽ <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Here is a fax from the Apache County Sheriff's office with the actual
>>details of the incident that we have confirmed to be accurate. ALL OTHER
>>REPORTS ARE FALSE and should be called on as such. Also BEWARE of other
>>sites and radio shows that say they are quoting williamcooper.com. We
>>have discovered that many of them are saying whatever they want and
>>calling it a quote from our site. This is the ONLY place where you will
>>see OUR findings."
>>
>>Here's the fax: http://www.williamcooper.com/images/report.jpg
>
>
>
>Read paragraph # 4. Why is it necessary to build the cop that was shot
>up?
The fax is a press release, probably issued on request to any newspaper
or other interested party. The details about the officer shot will be to
give a local reporter writing up the story in detail for page 1 some
extra colour. If he's writing a two-line filler for a paper on the other
side of the country, he won't use the biographical detail.
It's probably a standard layout -- if an officer is involved in some
newsworthy event (dead civilian, officer shot is certainly newsworthy)
then the report to the press will include some biography of those
involved.
--
Robert Sneddon nojay (at) nojay (dot) fsnet (dot) co (dot) uk
micron5
to Nazis, then get a brain.
dp
"Douglas Berry" <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:bf3mvtgo2tufn4imi...@4ax.com...
Art's Good Twin
doesn't counter him, it just shows how weak your own argument is. There's no
evidence of any of the conspiracy garbage surrounding Cooper and propagated
by the two dozen or so people who aactually listened to his show. He was a
common thug who stupidly drew on the cops. End of story.
Kate
wrote from alt.conspiracy:
>Hey doggle, pretend the below applies
>to Nazis, then get a brain.
Hullo. =)
I'll ignore the rude nature of your post because it seems like months
since *you've* been around...
--
Kate
ordosclan
> It is not hard to understand. There is no excuse for shooting a cop in
> the head. None.
Not everyone need excuses or reasons for actions. Thats what
expression is about.
ordo...@mail.china.com
"When the people of Gog and Magog are let through their barrier, and
they swiftly swarm from every hill, When Gog and Magog are let loose,
and they hasten out of every mound, When Gog and Magog are let loose,
they shall break forth from every elevated place, Then behold! The
eyes of the Unbelievers will fixedly stare in horror and say: Ah! Woe
be tied to us! We were indeed heedless of this warning; Yes, we truly
did wrong! They are our punishment!" --Sura's 021.096 and 021.097 of
the Koran
"The greatest pleasure is to crush and vanquish your enemies and see
them
fall before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to
them bathed in tears, to steal their horses and clasp to your bosom
their wives and daughters" --Ghengis khan
"The Tartars must be no less the punishment of god, visited upon
christendom for its sins, and the Tartars themselves the decendants of
the missing Ten tribes of Isreal who had worshipped the Golden Calf
and had been penned up for ther idolatry within the steppes of asia"
--Fredrick II of Germany in a communication to Henry III of England
"In the days of the anti-christ, a race of turks would emerge from the
land of Gog and Magog, behind the mountains of asia, a race polluted,
and unwashed, using neither wine, nor salt, not wheat, and would cause
universal disaster."
"We dreaded that the nearest and most imminent danger to the church of
god arose from them." -- John of plano carpini, Frair of the order of
minoritys
"Mongols were the soldiers of the antrichrist, come to reap the last
great harvest" -- Francis bacon
"The mongols are obidient to their lords beyond any other people.
They never decieved them in word or deed. They seldom quarrled or
brawled amongst themselves. Wounds or slayings were hardly ever
inflicted upon each other. Theives and robbers were nowhere to be
found. Houses and carts were not locked or barred. The mongols are
exceedingly proud and overbearing. They look look
upon all men, however noble with contempt. Dukes, Sons of kings, and
Sultans exspecially had no honor or respect and held no position in
the Mongolian empires. They are irritable and distainful to other
men, and beyond belief decietful. Whatever mischeif they intend they
carefully conceal, that no one may provide against it. And the
slaugher of other people they consider as nothing." --Robert bacon
"The day is not far off when my hand will strike you down into the
dust which you have infected with your breath, and tearing the
noxious life from your entrails, will leave your body writhing and
contorted to teach the appalled traveller that this palpilating flesh
which strikes sight with astonishment and nails his dumb tongue to his
palate, must not be compared, if one keeps one's composure with the
rotten trunk of an old tree which has decayed and fallen"
--Lautréamont (1846-70)
"Victories do not simply happen. Blood must be shed, a lot of blood,
to achieve them and to lay them down at the feet of the conquerors.
Without the corpses and the scattered limbs you see on the plain where
carnage is wisely practised, there would be no war and, without war,
there would be no victory, so legions of the night, nightbreed, rise
thy weapons in warfare, for we are the apocalypse!"
micron5
news:3BFE447A...@nowhere.com...
> Actually, Dougie provided a pretty solid argument there. Insulting him
> doesn't counter him, it just shows how weak your own argument is. There's
no
> evidence of any of the conspiracy garbage surrounding Cooper and
propagated
> by the two dozen or so people who aactually listened to his show. He was
a
> common thug who stupidly drew on the cops. End of story.
Here's a clue. The comment had nothing to do with the
circumstances of Cooper's death.
dp
micron5
news:60nsvtg5gp1f5ammp...@4ax.com...
Sheeit, I was baiting someone who makes jokes about
collaring someone, and making them a slave. Now
that's real rudeness. Pretty words in the face of this is
just an exercise in hypocrisy.
dp
>
> --
>
> Kate
Kate
wrote from alt.conspiracy:
>"Kate" <kateN...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >Hey doggle, pretend the below applies
>> >to Nazis, then get a brain.
>>
>> Hullo. =)
>>
>> I'll ignore the rude nature of your post because it seems like months
>> since *you've* been around...
>
>Sheeit, I was baiting someone who makes jokes about
>collaring someone, and making them a slave. Now
>that's real rudeness. Pretty words in the face of this is
>just an exercise in hypocrisy.
It's ok, it's just nice to see you.
Carry on...
--
Kate
Fre...@liberty.com
<leftof...@peace.now> posted:
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:01:26 GMT, Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>
>>On 16 Nov 2001 02:41:21 GMT, Lou Minatti® <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
>>posted:
>>
>>>OK. I thought about it. Cop killers suck.
>>
>>What about those Corrupt, Treasonous, Brutal cops who Forsake their
>>Oaths of Office? They suck too!
>
>
>sure they do, but that certainly doesn't justify what that idiot
>cooper did.
YOU DON'T KNOW what Cooper did, and what happened on that hill, for
there is NO VERIFIABLE ACCOUNT of it available as yet.
Fre...@liberty.com
Davidson) posted:
>Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>
>and how do you know that the cop that Cooper shot was one of those?
>
>My brother is a cop and he's a good one.
HOW do you Actually HONESTLY KNOW that - because he's your brother, or
because you've Actually READ and you UNDERSTAND the Constitution for
the United States of America and have Personally Verified that he does
too, and NEVER Deviates from his Oath of Office in the Performance of
his Duties?
>I'd hate to think of a criminal
>shooting him and then having to listen to people whine about the criminal
>being shot.
I'd hate even more to think that ANYone would want to wear a badge and
uniform so they can Terrorize and Tyrannize others and who couldn't
care less about their Oath of Office. Yet there are MUCH MORE THAN TOO
MANY OF THEM RIGHT NOW.
I've NEVER heard of ANYone being Forced to be a cop - IT'S A PERSONAL
CHOICE, Risks and all, which are a LOT less than those encountered by
window washers, who have also made the CHOICE and Accepted the Risks
of that vocation.
Furthermore, Evidence, over a long time, Clearly Indicates that it's
HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Cooper EVER did ANYthing like what he was ALLEGED
to have done; Threaten a neighbor with a gun. Cooper has stated on his
broadcast Many times, that since there is NO LAW Requiring a drivers
license - it's UNLAWFUL to 'license' an Unalienable Right, such as the
Right to travel, i.e. drive NON-Commercially, but because so-called
'law enforcement' personnel are for the most part, so IGNORANT of the
Laws they Claim to enforce, and since the Vast Majority of them are
little more than Hirelings doing what their ranking officers Tell them
to do - RIGHT OR WRONG, he'd ultimately end up in a shoot-out if he
travelled and was pulled over by one of the Gung-Ho, Trigger-Happy
Zealots, who COULDN'T CARE LESS WHAT THE LAW REALLY IS! Therefore, he
remained in the town of Eagar - TO AVOID AN ARMED CONFRONTATION!!!
Yet it is ALLEGED that he SOUGHT AN ARMED CONFRONTATION by Threatening
a neighbor with a gun!!!
SEE THE INCONSISTENCY HERE???
And WHAT ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE ALLEGATION AND WARRANT THEMSELVES?
The resulting Arrest Warrant Against Mr. Cooper Allegedly was based on
the Testimony of one Dr. Scott Hamlin, who Claimed that Cooper
Threatened him with a gun.
WHERE IS THE SUPPORT FOR THIS ALLEGATION???
WHERE IS A COPY OF THE ARREST WARRANT AGAINST COOPER???
PRECISELY WHAT IS NECESSARY TO OBTAIN AN ARREST WARRANT???
Is getting an Arrest Warrant Against someone as Easy as Claiming to
have been Threatened?
And PRECISELY WHAT Constitutes a Threat?
Did Cooper merely happen to mention to the neighbor that he carries a
gun, or perhaps while discussing guns, did he inadvertently show, or
even merely touch the Weapon, which was then Deliberately Ascribed as
his having Threatened the neighbor with it?
Are WITNESSES Required?
Or can ANYone, even one who wants to 'get-back' at a neighbor, have an
Arrest Warrant issued?
Is VERIFICATION of the Claim Required or is getting an Arrest Warrant
Against a neighbor a RUBBER STAMP procedure?
THESE ARE QUESTIONS WHICH MUST BE ANSWERED COMPLETELY, AND HONESTLY!!!
Fre...@liberty.com
>Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>
>> On 16 Nov 2001 02:41:21 GMT, Lou MinattiŽ <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
>> posted:
>>
>> >OK. I thought about it. Cop killers suck.
>>
>> What about those Corrupt, Treasonous, Brutal cops who Forsake their
>> Oaths of Office? They suck too!
>
>Are you presuming that most cops are that way?
DAMN RIGHT! I've Personally Observed it.
>Bullshit.
Only Denying it is.
>The vast
>majority of them are good citizens trying to honorably do their jobs.
That's what Agents of Despotism Always say. They said it at NUREMBURG,
and they're still saying it today. And the IGNORANT and SLAVISH are
still Believing them too, Most Tragically.
>It's naive to think that the local officers who were attempting to arrest
>Cooper were somehow tainted by some vast conspiracy that, in fact, doesn't
>exist.
It's naive NOT to FOLLOW THE MONEY, and that's ONLY for openers. For
example, DOES THE APACHE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT GET 'FEDERAL'
FUNDS??? IF they do, then THEY HAVE STRINGS WHICH CAN BE, AND ARE
PULLED!!!
>They wanted him on a local charge,
THEY WANTED HIM ***DEAD*** - ANY WAY THEY COULD DO IT!!!
>and he was stupid enough to
>shoot instead of taking a coupe of months in jail.
As soon as he was put in ANY jail, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF HIM
RIGHT THERE - HE WOULD HAVE BEEN EXACTLY WHERE THE ENEMY WANTED HIM
AND DOING AWAY WITH HIM UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD HAVE MOST SIMPLE
- HE KNEW IT, AND SO DID ***ALL*** LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE
AREA, FOR HE EXPLAINED IT TIME AND AGAIN, ON HIS BROADCAST, HIS
WEBSITE, AND IN WRITING!!!
SO LET'S 86 THIS CRAP ABOUT HIS SURVIVING INCARCERATION - HE WAS
MARKED FOR DEATH AND THAT FACT WAS WELL KNOWN, PARTICULARLY BY THOSE
MOST INVOLVED!!!
>Just plain dumb.
Yep, particularly in siding with the Enemy rather than a Brave
American Patriot.
>Oh, but he would have been hung in jail by evil conspiracy-minded
>convicts, right?
Had he ever Permitted his incarceration, his death, or Worse, would
have been Guaranteed.
Fre...@liberty.com
<myemailR...@hushmail.com> posted:
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:10 GMT, Airborne <f...@away.com> wrote:
>
>>It's naive to think that the local officers who were attempting to arrest
>>Cooper were somehow tainted by some vast conspiracy that,
>
>Well you didn't read the police report did you? It's full of TAINT.
And that's putting it VERY Mildly!
Art's Good Twin
> On 20 Nov 2001 18:29:20 GMT, tlda...@unity.ncsu.edu (Tanja L
> Davidson) posted:
>
> >Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
> >
> >and how do you know that the cop that Cooper shot was one of those?
> >
> >My brother is a cop and he's a good one.
>
> HOW do you Actually HONESTLY KNOW that - because he's your brother, or
Here we go again. How do YOU know that Cooper wasn't a loony? He got fooled
pretty easily the first time around about UFO's. So who's to say he wasn't
fed a line of bullshit about the "New World Order" which doesn't exist? He
was dumb and naive before. Hell, he kept blathering on about "The Protocols of
the Elders of Zion," a well-documented hoax from the 1800's. It had been
debunked for well over a hundred years, and he kept pushing THAT one. That
alone tells me he was an idiot.
Is everybody in a uniform evil? Who's being fooled now?
> I'd hate even more to think that ANYone would want to wear a badge and
> uniform so they can Terrorize and Tyrannize others and who couldn't
> care less about their Oath of Office. Yet there are MUCH MORE THAN TOO
> MANY OF THEM RIGHT NOW.
Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Putting all policemen in the same evil category
is just ridiculous. If things are so bad here, freaking move. I'll bet none
of the cops in Romania are on the take. Move there. Insulting a lot of hard
working Americans who risk their necks every single day to protect us from
gangbangers is not a real brilliant way to make your point, whatever that
point is supposed to be.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
If you could put a first name with an A. in it, then you could be "A
louminatti", sort of like "Lew Cifer" ;)
>Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Nov 2001 02:41:21 GMT, Lou MinattiŽ <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
>> posted:
>>
>> >OK. I thought about it. Cop killers suck.
>>
>> What about those Corrupt, Treasonous, Brutal cops who Forsake their
>> Oaths of Office? They suck too!
>
>Do you have any evidence that Cooper's victim was "corrupt, treasonous,
>brutal"? What's that you say? You don't?
Cooper's ALLEGED victim, Dr. Scott Hamlin, has yet to Personally
provide the details, or have them Investigated.
>Cooper is prime example of what can happen to someone who gets wrapped
>up in these kooky conspiracy theories. I hope for your sake that you
>snap out of it.
I hope for this Nation's sake, that you snap out of the Gullibility
and Slavishness which your Masters have Conditioned you to Accept.
Harrison Numbugger
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
--Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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>On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:44:32 GMT, Manny
><myemailR...@hushmail.com> posted:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:10 GMT, Airborne <f...@away.com> wrote:
>>
>>>It's naive to think that the local officers who were attempting to arrest
>>>Cooper were somehow tainted by some vast conspiracy that,
>>
>>Well you didn't read the police report did you? It's full of TAINT.
>
>And that's putting it VERY Mildly!
>--------------------------------------------------
>If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
>committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
>just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
>Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City.
> --- Cmdr William Cooper,
cooper was a nut. if he hadnt been a violent nut he would still be
alive.
> Second Continental Army of the Republic Militia
>--------------------------------------------------
Fre...@liberty.com
<grid...@mindspring.com> posted:
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:01:26 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
>Fre...@Liberty.com warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>
>>On 16 Nov 2001 02:41:21 GMT, Lou MinattiŽ <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
>>posted:
>>
>>>OK. I thought about it. Cop killers suck.
>>
>>What about those Corrupt, Treasonous, Brutal cops who Forsake their
>>Oaths of Office? They suck too!
>
>Do you have one shred of hard evidence that the officers involved were
>any of those things?
YES. They Knew the Constant Danger Cooper faced, for he had told them,
yet they Insisted on Attacking him anyway.
Furthermore, do you have one shred of hard evidence that the officers
involved were NOT any of those things I mentioned above?
>Or are just wetting yourself because Cooper was
>finally called to task for violating the laws of his home state.
Got a copy of the Warrant? If not, then we're debating in the
proverbial Vacuum due to INSUFFICIENT DETAILS.
>Don't answer if you are just intending to write one of your
>trademarked, overblown, oddly-capitalized speeches.. yes or no to this
>simple set of questions:
Cooper was NOT 'called to task', he was Murdered According to a
longstanding Plan to Silence him Permanently. IF you were a regular
listener to the Hour Of The Time, then you'd Know it too.
>Do you have evidence that any of the officers involved in the attempt
>to arrest Bill Cooper were any of the following:
>
>a. In violation of a state or local law.
Bill Cooper was in Danger for his Life, and they Well Knew it for a
Long time prior to the evening of November 5th. KNOWNING his situation
and the Threat to his life, THEY DID NOT HAVE TO ENDANGER HIM, YET
THEY CHOSE TO ANYWAY.
Do you have Evidence that that Bill Cooper Actually DID what he was
Alleged to have done, for which an Arrest Warrant was issued?
>b. Operating outside the regulations of their department.
Like those JackBooted Thugs on trial at Nuremburg, they were Following
Orders. The only matter to be Resolved is WHOSE ORDERS.
>c. Breaking any element of the oath they took. (Please attach the
>oath, with citations)
First, I'd like to know WHAT Efforts they made to VERIFY that the
Allegations Against Mr. Cooper, upon which the Arrest Warrant was
based, were True. NOBODY has yet come forward to attest to this.
>d. Had any complaints for excessive force.
That has yet to be Investigated.
>e. Had ever been convicted of, or been investigated for, corruption.
Do the Corrupt Investigate and Convict their own very often???
>f. Were guilty of treason as defined by the US Constitution and US
>Code.
Corollary Evidence Clearly Indicates UNDOUBTEDLY, YES.
>Remember, yes if you have proof that you would like to take to court.
It Ultimately WILL be presented in Court.
--------------------------------------------------
If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City.
--- Cmdr William Cooper,
Fre...@liberty.com
<aaca...@coastside.net> posted:
>In article <3bfa9b0b...@news2.ripco.com>, <Fre...@Liberty.com>
>wrote:
>
>> NOBODY WHO'S TALKING ABOUT IT KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED AND THOSE WHO DO
>> KNOW AREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT.
>
>Of course we note you are talking about it, which means.....
I NEVER claimed to have the Details of the evening of November 5th.
However I DO Know about Bill Cooper over some EIGHT YEARS, and the
Accounts of that night DO NOT CORRELATE very well at all.
Fre...@liberty.com
>Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>
>> NOBODY WHO'S TALKING ABOUT IT KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED AND THOSE WHO DO
>> KNOW AREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT.
>
>Again, naive. There's nothing to know, except that he pulled a gun,
>shot a cop, and was in turn shot.
HOW do you KNOW that? Upon WHAT BASIS does that knowledge rest?
>How do you know YOU know what the
>hell happened?
While I do NOT know the Specific Details, and furthermore, have NEVER
Claimed to, I DO KNOW the general life-Threatening situation which
Bill Cooper Endured, for at least the last EIGHT YEARS. I also know
that he said this:
"If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City."
>You keep talking about a federal conspiracy to kill him,
>but haven't produced a shred of evidence. Nor can you.
Oh, yeah, right, not a shred of evidence - not even the JackBooted
Thugs THREATENING HIS FAMILY, TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ONE OF HIS
DAUGHTERS INTO TELLING THEM ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF HIS HOUSE, ISSUING A
FRAUDULENT BENCH WARRANT BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT TO BLOW THE 'INCOME TAX'
SCAM WIDE OPEN FOR ALL TO SEE, TAKING ONE OF HIS LEGS, JAMMING HIS
BROADCASTS, PROCLAIMING HIM TO BE THE MOST DANGEROUS TALK SHOW HOST IN
AMERICA - and that's only a few examples.
Too bad that Terminal Blindness is Preventing you from SEEING THE
EVIDENCE!!!
-----------------------------------------------------
We hope to win this battle although the odds and
history tell us that we won't. If we win then all
America wins... if we lose the subversive Illuminati
socialists in government and the ADL will LOSE big
time. We are not afraid. I have engaged and fought
better troops than any of the techno-spoiled brats
they can or will ever field against us. In any case
whatever happens we as a family will be Free... and
due to the sheer volume of our work that is in public
hands we will never be forgotten. It makes me very
sad to know that all of you will still be enslaved by
tyrants and despotism in a totalitarian socialist new
world odor (really stinks)... unless you also draw
your line and take your stand to fight the last
battle for Liberty and Freedom.
--- Cmdr William Cooper,
Second Continental Army of the Republic Militia
-----------------------------------------------------
Fre...@liberty.com
<leftof...@peace.now> posted:
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:14:02 GMT, Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:30:26 GMT, Dan Campbell <dan...@home.com>
>>posted:
>>
>>>Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> AND NOTICE THE VERY LITTLE, AS CLOSE AS ZERO COVERAGE AS POSSIBLE
>>>> BEING GIVEN TO THIS MATTER IN THE MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA CONTROLLED
>>>> MEDIA!!
>>>>
>>>> WHAT'S GOING ON HERE???
>>>>
>>>Once the initial report of his death was made public, people who publish
>>>the news for a living (whether the press or TV) have little interest in
>>>Cooper. He is (was) just an obscure figure of no real importance to anybody
>>>(except for his family, of course, and his worshippers here on
>>>alt.conspiracy).
>>
>>Oh, like Randy Weaver, the Branch Davidians, Shirley Allen, and JoAnn
>>McGuckin, to name a few? And They got a LOT more coverage than Cooper
>>and before they did, WHO EVER HEARD OF THEM?
>>
>>You'll have to try again - you struck out with that explanation.
>
>
>simply another dead criminal. where's the news in that?
>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
>>committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
>>just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
>>Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City.
>> --- Cmdr William Cooper,
>> Second Continental Army of the Republic Militia
>>--------------------------------------------------
>
>
>"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>--Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Malign a Patriot (Cooper) while apparently quoting another (Franklin)
- HOW SUCCESSFUL DO Y'ALL BELIEVE YOU'LL BE WITH THAT TACTIC?
Here's a better one:
-----------------------------------------------------
LEARN TO DISCERN!
KNOW THY ENEMY!
GOD'S RULES FOR DISCERNMENT:
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in
sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening
wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather
grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither
[can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn
down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
--- Gospel of Matthew 7:15-20
-----------------------------------------------------
Etherman
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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> >hell happened?
>
> While I do NOT know the Specific Details, and furthermore, have
NEVER
> Claimed to, I DO KNOW the general life-Threatening situation which
> Bill Cooper Endured, for at least the last EIGHT YEARS. I also know
> that he said this:
>
> "If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
> committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
> just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
> Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City."
Rather irrelevant since no one is claiming he committed suicide.
Besides, it's rather silly to think that Cooper was a threat to those
in power. "Behold a Pale Horse" contains articles that were known to
be hoaxes long before he published the book. Cooper was stirring up
people to fight against non-existent enemies (e.g. MJ-12).
> >You keep talking about a federal conspiracy to kill him,
> >but haven't produced a shred of evidence. Nor can you.
>
> Oh, yeah, right, not a shred of evidence - not even the JackBooted
> Thugs THREATENING HIS FAMILY, TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ONE OF HIS
> DAUGHTERS INTO TELLING THEM ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF HIS HOUSE, ISSUING A
> FRAUDULENT BENCH WARRANT BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT TO BLOW THE 'INCOME
TAX'
> SCAM WIDE OPEN FOR ALL TO SEE, TAKING ONE OF HIS LEGS, JAMMING HIS
> BROADCASTS, PROCLAIMING HIM TO BE THE MOST DANGEROUS TALK SHOW HOST
IN
> AMERICA - and that's only a few examples.
What's your evidence for any of this?
> Too bad that Terminal Blindness is Preventing you from SEEING THE
> EVIDENCE!!!
Show us the evidence. Last I heard they had not found out who was
responsible for the accident which caused him to lose a leg. What
evidence do you have that it was the government? What evidence do you
have that any of his broadcasts were jammed? Supposition is not
evidence.
--
Etherman
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EAC Director of Ritual Satanic Abuse Operations
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Etherman
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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> Malign a Patriot (Cooper) while apparently quoting another
(Franklin)
> - HOW SUCCESSFUL DO Y'ALL BELIEVE YOU'LL BE WITH THAT TACTIC?
>
> Here's a better one:
> -----------------------------------------------------
> LEARN TO DISCERN!
>
> KNOW THY ENEMY!
> GOD'S RULES FOR DISCERNMENT:
>
> Beware of false prophets, which come to you in
> sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening
> wolves.
>
> Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather
> grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
>
> Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
> but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
>
> A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither
> [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
>
> Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn
> down, and cast into the fire.
>
> Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
>
> --- Gospel of Matthew 7:15-20
So look at Coopers fruits. He published known hoaxes in "Behold a
Pale Horse" and passed them off to the ignorant as fact. Cooper has
harmed the cause of freedom by being a fraud and a lunatic.
Etherman
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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> HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Cooper EVER did ANYthing like what he was
ALLEGED
> to have done; Threaten a neighbor with a gun.
That's what the trial would have been about.
> Cooper has stated on his
> broadcast Many times, that since there is NO LAW Requiring a drivers
> license
I can't speak for all states but in Massachusetts it's chapter 90
section 10
http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/90-10.htm
> - it's UNLAWFUL to 'license' an Unalienable Right, such as the
> Right to travel, i.e. drive NON-Commercially, but because so-called
> 'law enforcement' personnel are for the most part, so IGNORANT of
the
> Laws they Claim to enforce, and since the Vast Majority of them are
> little more than Hirelings doing what their ranking officers Tell
them
> to do - RIGHT OR WRONG, he'd ultimately end up in a shoot-out if he
> travelled and was pulled over by one of the Gung-Ho, Trigger-Happy
> Zealots, who COULDN'T CARE LESS WHAT THE LAW REALLY IS! Therefore,
he
> remained in the town of Eagar - TO AVOID AN ARMED CONFRONTATION!!!
>
> Yet it is ALLEGED that he SOUGHT AN ARMED CONFRONTATION by
Threatening
> a neighbor with a gun!!!
>
> SEE THE INCONSISTENCY HERE???
Nope. What I see is someone who may or may not be lying getting into
an armed confrontation.
> And WHAT ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE ALLEGATION AND WARRANT
THEMSELVES?
That's for the court to decide, not Cooper.
> The resulting Arrest Warrant Against Mr. Cooper Allegedly was based
on
> the Testimony of one Dr. Scott Hamlin, who Claimed that Cooper
> Threatened him with a gun.
>
> WHERE IS THE SUPPORT FOR THIS ALLEGATION???
This is a question that would have been answered in a court.
> WHERE IS A COPY OF THE ARREST WARRANT AGAINST COOPER???
His local courthouse.
> PRECISELY WHAT IS NECESSARY TO OBTAIN AN ARREST WARRANT???
>
> Is getting an Arrest Warrant Against someone as Easy as Claiming to
> have been Threatened?
http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/276-22.htm
Of course this will vary from state to state.
> And PRECISELY WHAT Constitutes a Threat?
I'd need more details to be sure but this could be extortion,
http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/265-25.htm , or attempted
assault http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/265-13A.htm and
http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/274-6.htm
> Did Cooper merely happen to mention to the neighbor that he carries
a
> gun, or perhaps while discussing guns, did he inadvertently show, or
> even merely touch the Weapon, which was then Deliberately Ascribed
as
> his having Threatened the neighbor with it?
Probably somewhat subjective, but I don't think any of these would
constitute a threat. However, pointing a gun at someone and telling
them to do X or be shot is certainly a threat. What exactly was
claimed in this case?
> Are WITNESSES Required?
No, but they help. It's up to the judge to decided if the claim is
credible.
> Or can ANYone, even one who wants to 'get-back' at a neighbor, have
an
> Arrest Warrant issued?
There would be some kind of investigation before the warrant is
issued. Filing a false police report is also a crime.
> Is VERIFICATION of the Claim Required or is getting an Arrest
Warrant
> Against a neighbor a RUBBER STAMP procedure?
Verification will has to wait for the trial. All that is needed is
probable cause.
> THESE ARE QUESTIONS WHICH MUST BE ANSWERED COMPLETELY, AND
HONESTLY!!!
Check to see if your state has the laws on-line. Then read them. If
not you can go to the library and read them.
Etherman
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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Nonsense. Cooper was not a threat to anyone in power. He was a fraud
and a nut.
Etherman
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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> Cooper's ALLEGED victim, Dr. Scott Hamlin, has yet to Personally
> provide the details, or have them Investigated.
Mainly because Cooper decided a shootout would be better than an
investigation.
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Etherman
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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> Cooper was NOT 'called to task', he was Murdered According to a
> longstanding Plan to Silence him Permanently. IF you were a regular
> listener to the Hour Of The Time, then you'd Know it too.
That sounds a lot like "The Bible is true because it says so in the
Bible."
--
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Airborne
> <Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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> > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:10 GMT, Airborne <f...@away.com> posted:
> > THEY WANTED HIM ***DEAD*** - ANY WAY THEY COULD DO IT!!!
>
> Nonsense. Cooper was not a threat to anyone in power. He was a fraud
> and a nut.
You have this all wrong. He was a nut, and THEN a fraud. You have to
get it in the right order. :-)
Arthur Boff
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:19:40 -0800, Douglas Berry
> <grid...@mindspring.com> posted:
>
> >On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:01:26 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
> >Fre...@Liberty.com warmed at our fire and told this tale:
> >
> >>On 16 Nov 2001 02:41:21 GMT, Lou MinattiŽ <loumi...@watchingyou.com>
> >>posted:
> >>
> >>>OK. I thought about it. Cop killers suck.
> >>
> >>What about those Corrupt, Treasonous, Brutal cops who Forsake their
> >>Oaths of Office? They suck too!
> >
> >Do you have one shred of hard evidence that the officers involved were
> >any of those things?
>
> YES. They Knew the Constant Danger Cooper faced, for he had told them,
> yet they Insisted on Attacking him anyway.
Yes... just because someone keeps complaining the police are trying to kill
him, doesn't mean he shouldn't be arrested for a crime he did commit.
> Furthermore, do you have one shred of hard evidence that the officers
> involved were NOT any of those things I mentioned above?
"Innocent until proven guilty", matey. The burden of proof is on you.
--
Wart
"If the written word is ever to mean anything, then it must come from the
very edge of fucky-bum-boo-boo." - Chris Morris
Kevin Stall
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>
> >It's naive to think that the local officers who were attempting to arrest
> >Cooper were somehow tainted by some vast conspiracy that, in fact,
doesn't
> >exist.
>
> It's naive NOT to FOLLOW THE MONEY, and that's ONLY for openers. For
> example, DOES THE APACHE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT GET 'FEDERAL'
> FUNDS??? IF they do, then THEY HAVE STRINGS WHICH CAN BE, AND ARE
> PULLED!!!
If you are going to use that standard then you yourself are in question
because you get the benefits of federal money. You use the public road
system, you use the telephone lines, water systems, sewer systems which
means you benefit from federal funds also. So you must be in the employ of
the federal government.
Kevin Stall
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
> --------------------------------------------------
> If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
> committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
> just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
> Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City.
> --- Cmdr William Cooper,
> Second Continental Army of the Republic Militia
> --------------------------------------------------
And just who gave him the rank of Commander? And why would the militia have
a naval rank?
Juergen Hubert
I'm sure that this is all very fascinating for those who know the details,
but could someone here please bring me up to speed why is is relevant to
soc.culture.german?
- Juergen Hubert
Airborne
so they crosspost there. Tell you what, from here on out, I will remove that
group from any crossposting if I reply. I probably should have done that
previously.
militiaguy
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>
> <Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > >It's naive to think that the local officers who were attempting to
arrest
> > >Cooper were somehow tainted by some vast conspiracy that, in fact,
> doesn't
> > >exist.
> >
THEY HAVE STRINGS WHICH CAN BE, AND ARE
> > PULLED!!!
>
> If you are going to use that standard then you yourself are in question
> because you get the benefits of federal money. You use the public road
> system, you use the telephone lines, water systems, sewer systems which
> means you benefit from federal funds also. So you must be in the employ
of
> the federal government.
Hey!!! That's right!!!
Hmmmm....this conspiracy goes deeper than I thought...
http://sonoguy.tripod.com/
>
>
militiaguy
Hey that's the advantage of being in a militia. You can have any rank you
want!!
A lot of folks think that my rank is General, but that is my first
name...just don't tell no one.
My rank is secret. That way if anyone chooses a rank above mine,
I can make one up that is higher and choose it from any militiary branch.
You gotta know these things when you run a militia.
http://sonoguy.tripod.com/
Beaver County Militia
>
>
Bryan J. Maloney
<beaver_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Definitely. If you want to track the vilest agents of the Feds, look
for those who are the loudest screamers against them. It's their
camoflage to draw attention away from themeselves.
--
"A 'Cape Cod Salsa' just isn't right."
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>> HOW do you Actually HONESTLY KNOW that - because he's your brother, or
>
>Here we go again.
Yeah, here YOU go again, Proclaiming Baseless Allegations against an
American Patriot.
>How do YOU know that Cooper wasn't a loony?
Over eight years of observation. I can and DO Personally vouch for his
character based on that knowledge.
>He got fooled
>pretty easily the first time around about UFO's. So who's to say he wasn't
>fed a line of bullshit about the "New World Order" which doesn't exist?
"All of us will ultimately by judged on the effort we have
contributed to building a NEW WORLD ORDER." 1967.
--- Robert Kennedy, Former U.S. Attorney General
"....a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of
cooperation. Out of these troubled times.....a new world order
can emerge."
- George Herbert Walker 'Skull & Bones' 'New World Order' Bush
>He
>was dumb and naive before.
He's Admited Many times, that he was at one time, one of the biggest
Sheople there ever was - BUT HE WOKE UP. Now, HOW ABOUT YOU?
>Hell, he kept blathering on about "The Protocols of
>the Elders of Zion," a well-documented hoax from the 1800's.
The Protocols are Absolutely Accurate in their Strategic and Tactical
Details - ONLY their being ascribed to Jews is a HOAX.
>It had been
>debunked for well over a hundred years, and he kept pushing THAT one.
Aside from the FALSE Ascription of the Protocols to Jews, they have
NEVER been debunked because they canNOT be - they're Literally, RIGHT
ON THE MONEY and Clearly Describe both the Conditions, as well as the
Strategies and Tactics Employed to Produce them.
>That
>alone tells me he was an idiot.
Try READING them and COMPARING what they describe to what's going on
in this Once Free Nation right now!
>Is everybody in a uniform evil?
No. But a LOT ARE, for we as a Nation have been STUPIDLY LAX in
Maintaining ETERNAL VIGILANCE, and are now Reaping the very Whirlwind
that we've sown over at least the last 150 years.
>Who's being fooled now?
As usual, those who believe what the Enemy tells them.
>> I'd hate even more to think that ANYone would want to wear a badge and
>> uniform so they can Terrorize and Tyrannize others and who couldn't
>> care less about their Oath of Office. Yet there are MUCH MORE THAN TOO
>> MANY OF THEM RIGHT NOW.
>
>Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.
Denial. Absolute Denial, which is Precisely WHY we have a Police State
which Only Grows More Despotic so long as such Denial Continues.
>Putting all policemen in the same evil category
>is just ridiculous.
WHO said ALL? I said MANY.
>If things are so bad here, freaking move.
LIKE HELL!!! This Country was Founded for those who love Freedom and
Liberty, NOT Tyranny!!!
Those who Seek and Support Despotism should move!!!
>I'll bet none
>of the cops in Romania are on the take. Move there.
You move to Red China.
>Insulting a lot of hard
>working Americans
Americans do NOT Violate the Rights of others, Particularly when
they've Sworn an Oath not to!
As for 'insulting', obviously that does NOT bother those who use their
Oaths of Office as mere Rubber Stamps to get the kind of job they've
always wanted - PUSHING PEOPLE AROUND, TERRORIZING, TYRANNIZING THEM,
AND VIOLATING THEIR RIGHTS - USING THE CONSTITUTION THEY'VE AGREED TO
BE BOUND BY AS TOILET PAPER.
Now THERE's a REAL Insult, Against We The People!!!
>who risk their necks every single day to protect us from
>gangbangers
Many of them ARE GangBangers, both in and out of uniform.
And several years ago, the Chief of the Chicago Police proclaimed that
the Chicago Police were the 'baddest' Gang in the city. Go figure.
And I'm Quite Capable of Protecting myself Against Criminals, since I
have a Much Greater Incentive, namely Survival, to do it as opposed to
some Incompetent Hireling whose only Motives are a paycheck and
getting to Play god with Impunity - and all WITHOUT Losing my Freedom
and Liberty in the process, thank you very much!!!
>is not a real brilliant way to make your point, whatever that
>point is supposed to be.
Telling the Truth IS always the Most Brilliant thing ANYone can do.
Andrew Carol
wrote:
> Yeah, here YOU go again, Proclaiming Baseless Allegations against an
> American Patriot.
Care to dredge up your baseless allegations against the officer who
tried to serve him again?
You know nothing of that person but were happy to claim they were
"probably co-opted" by the Federal agencies.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
--- Andy
Bryan J. Maloney
wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:22:54 GMT, Art's Good Twin <nob...@nowhere.com>
> posted:
>
> >> HOW do you Actually HONESTLY KNOW that - because he's your brother, or
> >
> >Here we go again.
>
> Yeah, here YOU go again, Proclaiming Baseless Allegations against an
> American Patriot.
You do realize that we are on to you, don't you? Your status as a
federal government spy has already been discovered. Did you really
think that pretending to be an anti-government patriot would fool
anyone. You tipped your hand too many times. The right people know
what you really are and have for some time.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>> Furthermore, Evidence, over a long time, Clearly Indicates that it's
>> HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Cooper EVER did ANYthing like what he was
>ALLEGED
>> to have done; Threaten a neighbor with a gun.
>
>That's what the trial would have been about.
Except for the Corruption.
>> Cooper has stated on his
>> broadcast Many times, that since there is NO LAW Requiring a drivers
>> license
>
>I can't speak for all states but in Massachusetts it's chapter 90
>section 10
>
>http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/90-10.htm
Can't make a law which Violates the Bill Of Rights.
Massa-chusetts is a Tyranny, even though it was the Birthplace of the
American Revolution - how Tragic!
>Therefore,
>he
>> remained in the town of Eagar - TO AVOID AN ARMED CONFRONTATION!!!
>>
>> Yet it is ALLEGED that he SOUGHT AN ARMED CONFRONTATION by
>Threatening
>> a neighbor with a gun!!!
>>
>> SEE THE INCONSISTENCY HERE???
>
>Nope. What I see is someone who may or may not be lying getting into
>an armed confrontation.
In which case, such a confrontation would have happened long ago.
>> And WHAT ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE ALLEGATION AND WARRANT
>THEMSELVES?
>
>That's for the court to decide, not Cooper.
Why do you Defer Justice to Corruption?
>> The resulting Arrest Warrant Against Mr. Cooper Allegedly was based
>on
>> the Testimony of one Dr. Scott Hamlin, who Claimed that Cooper
>> Threatened him with a gun.
>>
>> WHERE IS THE SUPPORT FOR THIS ALLEGATION???
>
>This is a question that would have been answered in a court.
It CAN, and SHOULD be answered where it Originated in the first place
- if it's Honest and Valid. This is NOT a request for a Judicial
Ruling, ONLY for Answers, Details.
>> WHERE IS A COPY OF THE ARREST WARRANT AGAINST COOPER???
>
>His local courthouse.
According to Criminal Procedure in Arizona, an executed Warrant is at
least theoretically accessible to the Public.
>> PRECISELY WHAT IS NECESSARY TO OBTAIN AN ARREST WARRANT???
>>
>> Is getting an Arrest Warrant Against someone as Easy as Claiming to
>> have been Threatened?
>
> http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/276-22.htm
>
>Of course this will vary from state to state.
Arizona isn't quite as specific but the origins of an Arrest Warrant
are probably similar, at least in theory.
>> And PRECISELY WHAT Constitutes a Threat?
>
>I'd need more details to be sure but this could be extortion,
>http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/265-25.htm , or attempted
>assault http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/265-13A.htm and
>http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/274-6.htm
I was referring to the Specific Details which would be CONSTRUED, or
MISconstrued, as such a Threat. For example, if Cooper merely
mentioned that he was Armed. If he expressed his anger about
trespassing verbally while the sidearm he was wearing was in plain
view so as to 'frighten' the complainant into 'feeling' 'threatened'.
Things like that.
>> Did Cooper merely happen to mention to the neighbor that he carries
>a
>> gun, or perhaps while discussing guns, did he inadvertently show, or
>> even merely touch the Weapon, which was then Deliberately Ascribed
>as
>> his having Threatened the neighbor with it?
>
>Probably somewhat subjective, but I don't think any of these would
>constitute a threat.
I don't either, unless it was part of a Plan. For example, "The Attack
of the Teenage Ninja Owls", Bill's name for a Failed Attempt to Attack
him back in March of this year (which I'll be posting under that name
presently, Clearly Indicates a Zeal by the Enemy to 'get' him by ANY
means possible.
>However, pointing a gun at someone and telling
>them to do X or be shot is certainly a threat. What exactly was
>claimed in this case?
Those are the Details we MUST see, in Official Documents of the Case.
>> Are WITNESSES Required?
>
>No, but they help. It's up to the judge to decided if the claim is
>credible.
And No Doubt Whatsoever, that a Corrupt judge, Intent on having
Cooper's proverbial head, would have no problem deciding that ANY
Excuse to Attack him would be 'credible'.
Another Critical Detail would be the TIME LAPSE between the Complaint,
Report, Issuance of Warrant, and Execution of Warrant.
>> Or can ANYone, even one who wants to 'get-back' at a neighbor, have
>an
>> Arrest Warrant issued?
>
>There would be some kind of investigation before the warrant is
>issued. Filing a false police report is also a crime.
Crimes go unpunished all the time. And False police reports are NOT
the least unheard of, particularly among drug Informants and other
such SLEAZE. And while I'd 'like' to believe that the Safeguard of an
Investigation would be Mandatory SOP, it's the Deliberate Exceptions,
the Selective Enforcement, Hallmarks of Corruption, which MUST be
Thoroughly Investigated as much as ALL other Details of this Case.
>> Is VERIFICATION of the Claim Required or is getting an Arrest
>Warrant
>> Against a neighbor a RUBBER STAMP procedure?
>
>Verification will has to wait for the trial. All that is needed is
>probable cause.
Without some kind of Specific Mandatory Procedure to Ascertain the
Validity of those Elements Comprising Probable Cause, such as Specific
Articulable Facts, for example, PRIOR to the Issuance of a Warrant,
whether for Search or Arrest, the average street gang would be no less
Just!
>> THESE ARE QUESTIONS WHICH MUST BE ANSWERED COMPLETELY, AND
>HONESTLY!!!
>
>Check to see if your state has the laws on-line. Then read them. If
>not you can go to the library and read them.
I'm working on it now. But it's Official Accounts of that Particular
Case which NEEDS to be brought to the Light of Day.
Fre...@liberty.com
<leftof...@peace.now> posted:
>have you always been insane?
Insane is one who Opposes Freedom and Liberty while posting Benjamin
Franklin quotes.
>"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>--Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Too bad you don't Appreciate what that means.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>
><Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:10 GMT, Airborne <f...@away.com> posted:
>> THEY WANTED HIM ***DEAD*** - ANY WAY THEY COULD DO IT!!!
>
>Nonsense. Cooper was not a threat to anyone in power. He was a fraud
>and a nut.
He Threatened Lies with the Truth, for which LIARS in Power
Assassinated him.
Art's Good Twin
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:58:50 GMT, "Etherman" <ether...@hotmail.com>
> posted:
>
> >> Furthermore, Evidence, over a long time, Clearly Indicates that it's
> >> HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Cooper EVER did ANYthing like what he was
> >ALLEGED
> >> to have done; Threaten a neighbor with a gun.
> >
> >That's what the trial would have been about.
>
> Except for the Corruption.
Pure speculation. Just an assumption on your part. You lso assume he
wasn't guilty of bullying somebody with a gun. How do YOU know he didn't
do that?
> >> Cooper has stated on his
> >> broadcast Many times, that since there is NO LAW Requiring a drivers
> >> license
> >
> >I can't speak for all states but in Massachusetts it's chapter 90
> >section 10
> >
> >http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/90-10.htm
>
> Can't make a law which Violates the Bill Of Rights.
>
> Massa-chusetts is a Tyranny, even though it was the Birthplace of the
> American Revolution - how Tragic!
Ridiculous. You don't want lawbreakers on the road, cuz then no little old
ladies would ever get to the grocery store without getting killed. For the
common good and to avoid anarchy and death and destruction, driving is
treated like a privilege. It's a good thing.
> >> And WHAT ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE ALLEGATION AND WARRANT
> >THEMSELVES?
> >
> >That's for the court to decide, not Cooper.
>
> Why do you Defer Justice to Corruption?
Why do you presume corruption?
> >> The resulting Arrest Warrant Against Mr. Cooper Allegedly was based
> >on
> >> the Testimony of one Dr. Scott Hamlin, who Claimed that Cooper
> >> Threatened him with a gun.
> >>
> >> WHERE IS THE SUPPORT FOR THIS ALLEGATION???
> >
> >This is a question that would have been answered in a court.
>
> It CAN, and SHOULD be answered where it Originated in the first place
> - if it's Honest and Valid. This is NOT a request for a Judicial
> Ruling, ONLY for Answers, Details.
Huh? He was going to end up in court. Real simple. You make everything so
complicated.
> >> WHERE IS A COPY OF THE ARREST WARRANT AGAINST COOPER???
> >
> >His local courthouse.
>
> According to Criminal Procedure in Arizona, an executed Warrant is at
> least theoretically accessible to the Public.
Yeah, okay. He would have had his day in court. Oh, that's right,
everybody there is corrupt.
> >> PRECISELY WHAT IS NECESSARY TO OBTAIN AN ARREST WARRANT???
> >>
> >> Is getting an Arrest Warrant Against someone as Easy as Claiming to
> >> have been Threatened?
Not really. I truly did threaten a neighbor because of his drunken asshole
kid, and he wanted me arrested, and it didn't happen. Guess I won that one.
> I don't either, unless it was part of a Plan. For example, "The Attack
> of the Teenage Ninja Owls", Bill's name for a Failed Attempt to Attack
> him back in March of this year (which I'll be posting under that name
> presently, Clearly Indicates a Zeal by the Enemy to 'get' him by ANY
> means possible.
Paranoiacs and other conspiracy nuts have in the past claimed that they
were threatened, in order to gain sympathy. David Koresh tried that same
tactic prior to his self-immolation.
> And No Doubt Whatsoever, that a Corrupt judge, Intent on having
> Cooper's proverbial head, would have no problem deciding that ANY
> Excuse to Attack him would be 'credible'.
Again, total assumption.
> I'm working on it now. But it's Official Accounts of that Particular
> Case which NEEDS to be brought to the Light of Day.
Moot point. Regardless of his guilt or innocence on the original charge,
he pulled a gun on lawmen executing a valid warrant. If he'd stood down
peacefully, he still would have done some time just for that. Instead, he
escalated it.
Art's Good Twin
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:00:24 GMT, "Etherman" <ether...@hotmail.com>
> posted:
>
> >> THEY WANTED HIM ***DEAD*** - ANY WAY THEY COULD DO IT!!!
> >
> >Nonsense. Cooper was not a threat to anyone in power. He was a fraud
> >and a nut.
>
> He Threatened Lies with the Truth, for which LIARS in Power
> Assassinated him.
There's no proof anything he ever broadcasted was true or correct. And
there's no proof he was assassinated. The simplest and most likely
explanation was that he pulled a gun on some cops and got shot for his
trouble.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
Try READING the Constitution for the United States of America,
Particularly Article I, Section 8, and see if that's True. And see if
Following the Money Supports your claim.
Fre...@liberty.com
>Probably because these militia guys have strong white power and Nazi leanings,
>so they crosspost there.
You're Confusing the Militia with the Enemy.
Fre...@liberty.com
<leftof...@peace.now> posted:
>cooper was a nut. if he hadnt been a violent nut he would still be
>alive.
He was the one Attacked, Remember???
>"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>--Benjamin Franklin, 1759
-----------------------------------------------
"Your grandchildren will live under Communism."
--- Nikita Khrushchev 1959,
to Vice President Nixon
-----------------------------------------------
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>
><Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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>> Cooper's ALLEGED victim, Dr. Scott Hamlin, has yet to Personally
>> provide the details, or have them Investigated.
>
>Mainly because Cooper decided a shootout would be better than an
>investigation.
Cooper was Defending himself so as NOT to fall into the hands of the
Enemy, who made it very clear they were after him and had already
demonstrated that he would NOT survive the experience. There ARE Other
ways to Investigate, Without putting his life in Jeopardy, but that
was NOT what they were there for. There were there to KILL HIM.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>
><Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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>> Cooper was NOT 'called to task', he was Murdered According to a
>> longstanding Plan to Silence him Permanently. IF you were a regular
>> listener to the Hour Of The Time, then you'd Know it too.
>
>That sounds a lot like "The Bible is true because it says so in the
>Bible."
That sounds a lot like "The law is true because it says so in the
law"! Hey, how 'bout that!
Fre...@liberty.com
<arthu...@merton.ox.ac.uk> posted:
>> >>What about those Corrupt, Treasonous, Brutal cops who Forsake their
>> >>Oaths of Office? They suck too!
>> >
>> >Do you have one shred of hard evidence that the officers involved were
>> >any of those things?
>>
>> YES. They Knew the Constant Danger Cooper faced, for he had told them,
>> yet they Insisted on Attacking him anyway.
>
>Yes... just because someone keeps complaining the police are trying to kill
>him, doesn't mean he shouldn't be arrested for a crime he did commit.
Yes it does. If someone's life is in Danger, the ONLY Purpose for
Exacerbating that Danger would be to Realize it.
Bill Cooper was well known in the Round Valley, and that includes by
law enforcement agencies. He was NOT a flight Risk - he stayed home
most of the time.
>> Furthermore, do you have one shred of hard evidence that the officers
>> involved were NOT any of those things I mentioned above?
>
>"Innocent until proven guilty", matey. The burden of proof is on you.
If only Cooper were Afforded that notion - he wasn't.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>
Commander is a general description rather than a specific rank.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>> "If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
>> committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
>> just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
>> Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City."
>
>Rather irrelevant since no one is claiming he committed suicide.
If you were paying attention, you'd have seen that it was already
suggested that he committed 'suicide by cop'.
>Besides, it's rather silly to think that Cooper was a threat to those
>in power. "Behold a Pale Horse" contains articles that were known to
>be hoaxes long before he published the book.
"Behold A Pale Horse" is RIGHT ON TARGET - ALL Americans should READ
it.
>Cooper was stirring up
>people to fight against non-existent enemies (e.g. MJ-12).
NON-Readily Visible to the Blind is NOT Tantamount to non-existent.
They MOST CERTAINLY EXIST.
>> >You keep talking about a federal conspiracy to kill him,
>> >but haven't produced a shred of evidence. Nor can you.
>>
>> Oh, yeah, right, not a shred of evidence - not even the JackBooted
>> Thugs THREATENING HIS FAMILY, TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ONE OF HIS
>> DAUGHTERS INTO TELLING THEM ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF HIS HOUSE, ISSUING A
>> FRAUDULENT BENCH WARRANT BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT TO BLOW THE 'INCOME
>TAX'
>> SCAM WIDE OPEN FOR ALL TO SEE, TAKING ONE OF HIS LEGS, JAMMING HIS
>> BROADCASTS, PROCLAIMING HIM TO BE THE MOST DANGEROUS TALK SHOW HOST
>IN
>> AMERICA - and that's only a few examples.
>
>What's your evidence for any of this?
His site and broadcasts. And I've both Personally Witnessed Jamming of
his broadcasts AND head the same accounts of Jamming being phoned in
on his shows on a regular basis.
>> Too bad that Terminal Blindness is Preventing you from SEEING THE
>> EVIDENCE!!!
>
>Show us the evidence.
Dig it up. That's what I did. That's what Bill Cooper did. That's what
it takes.
>Last I heard they had not found out who was
>responsible for the accident which caused him to lose a leg.
Particularly if 'they' are the ones Responsible for it, which is their
SOP.
>What
>evidence do you have that it was the government?
Read his book, surf his website, Study some History, and start Probing
for Answers.
>What evidence do you
>have that any of his broadcasts were jammed? Supposition is not
>evidence.
As I've said above, I've Personally Witnessed it Many times, and so
have Many others.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>So look at Coopers fruits. He published known hoaxes in "Behold a
>Pale Horse" and passed them off to the ignorant as fact. Cooper has
>harmed the cause of freedom by being a fraud and a lunatic.
"Behold A Pale Horse" is Dead-On Accurate. Accuracy was something Bill
Cooper was Well-Known to be Very Consistent at.
WHAT is it in that book which you regard as 'hoaxes'?
Etherman
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those
> >in power. "Behold a Pale Horse" contains articles that were known
to
> >be hoaxes long before he published the book.
>
> "Behold A Pale Horse" is RIGHT ON TARGET - ALL Americans should READ
> it.
Only if they want a good laugh. It's a book of known hoaxes,
incoherent ramblings, and baseless speculation.
> >Cooper was stirring up
> >people to fight against non-existent enemies (e.g. MJ-12).
>
> NON-Readily Visible to the Blind is NOT Tantamount to non-existent.
> They MOST CERTAINLY EXIST.
Too bad there's not a shred of evidence for them.
> >> Oh, yeah, right, not a shred of evidence - not even the
JackBooted
> >> Thugs THREATENING HIS FAMILY, TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ONE OF HIS
> >> DAUGHTERS INTO TELLING THEM ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF HIS HOUSE,
ISSUING A
> >> FRAUDULENT BENCH WARRANT BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT TO BLOW THE 'INCOME
> >TAX'
> >> SCAM WIDE OPEN FOR ALL TO SEE, TAKING ONE OF HIS LEGS, JAMMING
HIS
> >> BROADCASTS, PROCLAIMING HIM TO BE THE MOST DANGEROUS TALK SHOW
HOST
> >IN
> >> AMERICA - and that's only a few examples.
> >
> >What's your evidence for any of this?
>
> His site and broadcasts.
His broadcasts and site aren't evidence because all that can easily be
invented out of thin air.
> And I've both Personally Witnessed Jamming of
> his broadcasts AND head the same accounts of Jamming being phoned in
> on his shows on a regular basis.
And what are the tell-tale signs of radio jamming?
> >Last I heard they had not found out who was
> >responsible for the accident which caused him to lose a leg.
>
> Particularly if 'they' are the ones Responsible for it, which is
their
> SOP.
"They" means anybody. Cooper didn't have any evidence of government
involvement. For all we know he got drunk one night and drove off the
side of the road.
> >What
> >evidence do you have that it was the government?
>
> Read his book, surf his website, Study some History, and start
Probing
> for Answers.
I've read his book and it's pathetic. I've read quite a bit of
conspiracy literature and it's mostly crap.
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Etherman
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The law has nothing to do with truth or fairness. It just is. If
Cooper's evidence is just his word then of course no one is going to
take him seriously. Almost no one.
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Airborne
No, I've been to a couple of meetings, because of an unhinged relative. White
power and militia often go hand in hand. No kidding, I've done my homework.
Airborne
It's a guy with his toys (guns) playing soldier.
Airborne
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:59:11 GMT, "Etherman" <ether...@hotmail.com>
> posted:
>
> >So look at Coopers fruits. He published known hoaxes in "Behold a
> >Pale Horse" and passed them off to the ignorant as fact. Cooper has
> >harmed the cause of freedom by being a fraud and a lunatic.
>
> "Behold A Pale Horse" is Dead-On Accurate. Accuracy was something Bill
> Cooper was Well-Known to be Very Consistent at.
>
Really? What about all that flying saucer nonsense?
Lou MinattiŽ
Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:22:54 GMT, Art's Good Twin <nob...@nowhere.com>
> posted:
>
> >> HOW do you Actually HONESTLY KNOW that - because he's your brother, or
> >
> >Here we go again.
>
> Yeah, here YOU go again, Proclaiming Baseless Allegations against an
> American Patriot.
>
> >How do YOU know that Cooper wasn't a loony?
>
> Over eight years of observation. I can and DO Personally vouch for his
> character based on that knowledge.
I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone more loony than a cop killer.
So who gave him the rank of "Commander" in his militia?
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Kevin Stall
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Since when? Especially using the abbreviation Cmdr implies a military rank.
One he is not entitled too. That's why true soldiers, for centuries, has
held so called militias in complete disgusted, they play at being military.
That's one of the laughable things about the so called militia, even back in
the civil war days, you would get some joker who convinced 13 or 14 poor
souls to be part of the militia and he would call himself a Captain. When
at best he could be considered the lowest sergeant.
Kevin Stall
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That's right, the Enemy is something to fear, the Militia is something that
is laughed at.
Kevin Stall
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Sure it does. and also did you read:
Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia,
and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the
United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the
Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress;
Who appointed Cooper as an officer in the Militia? Or for that point any
the officers in the Militia. According to the Constitution it can't be self
appointed.
Kevin Stall
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> On 27 Nov 2001 14:44:51 GMT, Harrison Numbugger
> <leftof...@peace.now> posted:
>
> >cooper was a nut. if he hadnt been a violent nut he would still be
> >alive.
>
> He was the one Attacked, Remember???
He was attacked yet me manage to shoot first. Gee, he must have been a
superman.
Kevin Stall
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So it's OK to shoot anyone you think is an enemy according to your
philosophy. How convenient to be judge, jury and executioner.
Etherman
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The Iron Mountain Report and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are
known hoaxes. If I looked into the other articles further I could
probably find more examples (especially as relating to MJ-12).
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Etherman
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> <Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:56:05 +0800, "Kevin Stall"
<kst...@bigpond.com>
> > posted:
> > Particularly Article I, Section 8, and see if that's True. And see
if
> > Following the Money Supports your claim.
>
> Sure it does. and also did you read:
>
> Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the
Militia,
> and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the
Service of the
> United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment
of the
> Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the
> discipline prescribed by Congress;
>
> Who appointed Cooper as an officer in the Militia? Or for that
point any
> the officers in the Militia. According to the Constitution it can't
be self
> appointed.
Some (all?) states recognize an "organized" and an "unorganized"
militia. According to Massachusetts law every able-bodied man between
18 and 45 is a member of the unorganized militia. But as I see it,
since it's an unorganized militia (which incidentally what most in the
militia movement claim to be in) I don't know how there can be any
ranks.
Fre...@liberty.com
What about it? He Exposed the 'extraterrestrial space aliens'
Deliberately and FALSELY associated with them as nonsense.
Douglas Berry
"Etherman" <ether...@hotmail.com> warmed at our fire and told this
tale:
>Only if they want a good laugh. It's a book of known hoaxes,
>incoherent ramblings, and baseless speculation.
Don't bother... Freedom honestly beleives that WWII was a hoax.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.