Timelines for the Ambulance

[herodotu...@my-deja.com]

The subject of timelines has been brought up several times, so let's go
over them.

1. What do we know - only what we have been told.
Everything we know right now about the moments after the crash as
well as the timeline for transporting Diana by ambulance to the
hospital has been provided to us from official sources - and is
the OS. Until and unless the paps who were there are free to talk
and/or others who were witnesses can speak, or photographs of the
scene are released, we can only go by the accounts we have been
given.

2. What is the OS on the ambulance ride?
I owe a debt of gratitude to JB Ehrlich and the Senderberl website
for this clear thinking. This is what he wrote quite some time ago
about the length of the ambulance ride:

(Quoting Time magazine, 9/97): "Once the emergency units arrived, it
took them 30-45 minutes to extract Diana from the vehicle AND (emphasis
ours) stabilize her with intubation, oxygen and treatment for shock. At
1:18 .am. she was placed in an ambulance, At the doctor's (we take it
they are referring to the ambulance doctor) insistence, the ambulance
proceeded slowly so as not to aggravate the injuries. Thus it took some
40 minutes to reach the Pitie-Salpetriere hospital instead of the usual
10 minutes. On arrival at 2:05 a.m., the princess was in cardiac
arrest."
Wow! How easy it is to miss the real questions and issues we have
raised. First, Time has to stay consistent with its own report. It said
that the first emergency unit arrived at 12:32. Add 45 minutes and you
have their asserted 1:18 time for being placed in an ambulance.
However, if you add the other side of their stated range, 30 minutes
you have 1:03 a.m. Now, first using their 1:18 a.m (in ambulance) time,
and their 2:05 hospital arrival time you have 47 minutes in the
ambulance. Tacking on the other side of the range, you have 62 minutes,
or best said one hour in the ambulance. Moreover, from Dr. Maillez to
Time's own account, Diana faced no impediment and there was no need to
cut the roof to remove her from the car. In fact, Maillez companion
Mark Budt said: "…the portion of the car that she was in, that quarter
was basically undamaged."

Time magazine obfuscates exactly how long it took to extract Diana from
the Mercedes and how long Diana was worked upon before entry into the
the ambulance (and where). ... (End Senderberl exerpt.)

That was an easy to miss point about the time. So you have 47 minutes
one way, 62 minutes the other. I have to keep searching, because there
were even earlier reports that the ambulance arrived at the hospital at
2:30, making the ambulance ride even longer.

Right now we don't have any independent sources for:
1. When was she placed in the ambulance or
2. When did the ambulance start to drive out of the tunnel.

So we are still searching for corroboration for the length of time
spent in the ambulance.

One thing is clear now, she was not trapped in the wreckage, so the
earlier stories alleging she had to be cut from the car appear to be
untrue.

Maxie

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[AG]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/diana/html/diana1.htm

Orlando Sentinel who reports sources, one being AP, gives this timeline at
the above link:

12:40-12:45 am - Accident in tunnel
12:45 am - Emergency Personnel Arrive
2:00 am - Ambulance arrives at hospital 4 miles away
4:00 am - Diana dies

This may all have been distilled from sources you have used. Names and
sources are given at another link.

At the bottom are some links to the Diana's last day front page and some
more info. There are also links to a picture gallery with two pictures of
the wrecked car in the tunnel. Other nice pictures of Diana.

[herodotu...@my-deja.com]

Thanks for the additional information - and I apologize for not having
the review of early accounts. Last night I got tied up doing something
else, but by tomorrow I should have all the info from the 1st 3 days
after the crash.

What I am also looking for in various early interviews is anything that
corroborates *anything*, such as even a single pap saying something
like, "I was waiting at the emergency entrance of Pitie when the
ambulance pulled up at about 2:00 a.m."

That's what I mean about corroboration. Thanks!
Maxie

In article <37B2198C...@earthlink.net>,

[AG]

I didn't think I made a very good post as it lacked the detail you posted.
Also I thought surely you people know all this but there were so many
interesting things at that site that I thought you might be able to use some
of it. Thanks for your gracious response.

As I slowly search through different archives trying to catch up, I'll keep
my eyes open especially for the interval where Diana was placed into the
ambulance and when she was pronounced dead.

[AG]

A tough go, but I did find this. The full article has to be purchased, but
I'll copy in the Northern Light search results for you. It mentions
"waiting officials" at least . . . It is in their special collections.

Title:
French newspaper details last minutes of Princess
Diana's life

Summary:
PARIS - A dazed Princess Diana spoke to emergency
workers as she lay dying in
a mangled Mercedes, a French newspaper said
Wednesday, moaning "Leave me
alone" as they struggled to keep her alive. Le
Parisien, which has published some of
the most detailed reports on the car wreck that cost
the princess her life Aug. 31,
also said Diana's ambulance took an hour to get from
the crash site to La
Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital about six miles away - so
long, the paper said, that
waiting officials feared it was lost. French
authorities have not yet issued a
complete report on the events surrounding the
accident. But on Wednesday, in a
harrowing reconstruction of Diana's last hours, Le
Parisien said she had been so
badly hurt in the crash that the ambulance taking her
to the emergency room drove
no faster than 25 mph for fear of injuring her
further.

Las Vegas Review-Journal
Date:
09/11/1997
Price:
$2.95
Document Size:
Very Short (564 words)
Document ID:
PN19990701040010464
Citation Information:
p. 12.A
Author(s):
Anonymous
Copyright Holder:
1997, Donrey Media Group
Document Type:
Article

[howar...@my-deja.com]

Want the real set of ORIGINAL ambulance logs? Jordan Sage has them. The
altered set are fake as 3 dollar bills. Your time line is not even
remotely close. But if it makes you feel better, you can rattle on with
your ideas and theories. BTW, he also has all the ambulance video
footages as well. Just thought you might like to know. To anyone
considering crashing the celebration party at Sage's home on the 15th,
good luck. You'll need it.

[howar...@my-deja.com]

Actually, none of your posts have been good, interesting or factual.
Although in a few situations, you did get close to some fringe element
that might have been relevant if the case were not already solved. Can I
suggest you get a life, and perhaps a hobby?

[banana]

In article <7p008q$4hc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, posted to
alt.conspiracy.princess-diana and stamped at '02:35:06' on 'Fri, 13 Aug
1999', howar...@my-deja.com writes:

>Want the real set of ORIGINAL ambulance logs? Jordan Sage has them. The
>altered set are fake as 3 dollar bills. Your time line is not even
>remotely close. But if it makes you feel better, you can rattle on with
>your ideas and theories. BTW, he also has all the ambulance video
>footages as well. Just thought you might like to know. To anyone
>considering crashing the celebration party at Sage's home on the 15th,
>good luck. You'll need it.

His home in Shanghai or his home in Colorado.

If the PRC throws all Americans out of China prior to then, that might
spoil the occasion. The state of affairs in the Taiwan straits is
getting serious. (BTW, it's hardly been reported in the British press at
all - what are things like in the US?)
--
banana

[herodotu...@my-deja.com]

Good going, AG! And thank you for the hard work you put into
looking for this kind of information.

Note the continued inconsistency even in this story - it took an hour
to go from the tunnel to the hospital, but they repeat that the
ambulance went no more than 25 miles an hour. We have Pierre Suu, one
of the paps, asserting that it went so slow they could walk beside it;
even if he didn't walk with it all the way to the hospital, we cannot
explain the length of the ambulance ride.

Anyone can do the math - at 25 mph, she would have gotten to the
hospital within 10 minutes, maybe 12 minutes.

Another element to research is the story of the stop on the Pont
d'Austerlitz, described in "Death of a Princess." How long was this
stop? What is the source for the OS on this?

We can see now how the OS is being contoured, as in the Gregory Martyn
book. They realized that their previous stories are inconsistent, so a
new one, a 1/2 hour ambulance ride, was invented. 10 minutes for the
drive, 20 or so to stop at the Pont d'Austerlitz, equals 30 minutes.

Maxie
In article <37B370F7...@earthlink.net>,

[herodotu...@my-deja.com]

Another thing - if the ambulance ride is condensed to 1/2 an hour, we
are still left with some unexplained time - if we use 2:00 a.m. for the
arrival time at Pitie Salpetriere, and subtract 30 minutes, we are at
1:30 a.m. for departure from the tunnel. And that's with an ambulance
moving at 25 mph, that stops for approx. 20 minutes on the Pont
d'Austerlitz.

Either way you twist it this doesn't make sense. I will continue my
search for the early stories, especially looking for anyone anywhere
who states a particular time for this or that event.