Jordan Sage identified?
tony
the identity of the Jordan Sage "crew" on the
14th August, Howard Simms has gone away?
Just to recap, my beliefs was that the people
behind Jordan Sage mind games were....
Tab1
Alan Hope
Alrighty then (you haven't convinced anyone
yet though Laura - try properly please)
There may be others... and *you* know who I
mean.
MC
tony wrote in message <7pavc4$b7a$2...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>Have you noticed that since my thoughts on
>the identity of the Jordan Sage "crew" on the
>14th August, Howard Simms has gone away?
>
>Just to recap, my beliefs was that the people
>behind Jordan Sage mind games were....
>
>Tab1
>Alan Hope
>Alrighty then (you haven't convinced anyone
>yet though Laura - try properly please)
She sure the hell has ME convinced. It isn't Laura. For Chrissakes, she
lives here in L.A., and is not bloody likely to use a university ISP at
Boulder, CO. Nor have I ever seen her evidence any abilities at writing
something in a "voice" other than her own.
Tony, you are starting to turn this into an old episode of "The Twilight
Zone" -- remember that one called "The Monsters on Maple Street"?
John Bartram
news:7pavc4$b7a$2...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Have you noticed that since my thoughts on
> the identity of the Jordan Sage "crew" on the
> 14th August, Howard Simms has gone away?
>
> Just to recap, my beliefs was that the people
> behind Jordan Sage mind games were....
>
> Tab1
> Alan Hope
> Alrighty then (you haven't convinced anyone
> yet though Laura - try properly please)
>
> mean.
Yes, David seems to have either got bored, or slung off the net for a while.
MC
Jordan Sage hoax (which seems to have run its course, at least for now)
almost certainly maintains residence in or around Boulder, Colorado.
Whenever you post something, even through My Deja News, the IP number of
your ISP is visible. A DNS can take that number and give you the actual ISP.
Here's the relevant info for Howard Simms:
From: howar...@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.princess-diana Subject:
Re: CCTV Cameras
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:49:29 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.138.177.66
X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U)
*** Resolved 128.138.177.66 to eccr235pc66.Colorado.EDU
Here's the same info for Jordan Sage:
From: jorda...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Jordan Sage Investigation Update
Date: 08 Aug 1999 00:00:00 GMT
X-Http-Proxy: for client 128.138.177.13
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.princess-diana
X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U)
*** Resolved 128.138.177.13 to eccr252pc13.Colorado.EDU
They both used the same system at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and
they both used the same operating system and mailer: X-Http-User-Agent:
Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U). Which is fairly good indication that both
parties may be one and the same.
At one point, the JS page used the contact address sa...@ucsu.colorado.edu.
This address also appeared in an employment ad placed by an unnamed
bodyguard, which you can view at http://www.areanet.com/303/19300.htm
That address also can be found on the home page of a woman named Erlinda
Sage, presumably the wife of Jordan: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~sagee/ At
least SHE seems to be provably real. Howie, you will recall, mentioned that
he worked for her.
She is apparently a student (or staffer? It's not clear) at the University
of Colorado at Boulder; she was also an exchange student at Fudan University
in Shanghai, China. (She is fluent in Chinese.) Most of her web page is
devoted to her travels in that country. There are several pictures of her
and a friend touring various cities.
Most of the tourist info is not germane to our little mystery, but on one of
her pages, ( http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~sagee/bombing.html ), she discusses
being in Shanghai with her husband during the politically uncertain period
when the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was bombed. This coalesces with the
claim that Jordan Sage spent time in China.
Erlinda also designed the site for something called the Coalition for
International Organizations: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~cio/
Recently, she was also listed as the treasurer of an on-campus veteran's
organization, the CU Veterans Association (CUVA). Now, however, her name has
been removed from the CUVA site: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~cuva/ She is
also the member of a Veteran's fraternity at the university, Epsilon Tau
Sigma. See http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~ets/group97.html (That's her, front
row center.)
Since she is a vet, and is fluent in Chinese, I think it is fair to suggest
that she once worked in military intelligence in some capacity.
You want more Colorado links? You got 'em:
Jordan Sage, whoever he is, has listed his email address as Sa...@DIAC.com
DIAC is a Colorado ISP.
The billing address for the main JS web page was 1085 14th Street, Suite
1331, Boulder, CO 80302. This may be a POB.
And one of Jordan Sage's web pages lists as administrative contact that
erstwhile pornographer Roger Anderson, who has a listed street address in
Boulder, CO -- and apparently knows the area well, judging from his usenet
posts.
(Tony: Note that JS went "off the air" NOT when you voiced your
suspicions -- but rather, immediately after Roger's name was brought into
the investigation.)
There's more. But all of the above should suffice to establish, beyond
reasonable debate, that WHOEVER is, or was, behind this mysterious affair
MUST live, at least part of the time, in Boulder, CO.
Anyone who still thinks that the affair constitutes a mere jest should keep
in mind the cost of registering all those domain names. I think the price is
$70 a shot, and JS has four or more going. Personally, I sure as hell
wouldn't spend that kind of money just for a prank. Weirdly enough, JS
(whoever he really is) is STILL spending money to keep those domains active,
even though he now refuses to make any use of his web sites.
Tony, if you want your detective work to be taken seriously, you must point
the accusing digit at someone in Colorado -- because that is where the
culprit obviously resides!
-- M
(my thanks to A.S., banana and others for help compiling the above info.)
alrighty then!
"MC" <mca...@instanet.com> wrote:
OK, let's establish something once and for all. Whoever was behind the
Jordan Sage hoax (which seems to have run its course, at least for
Whenever you post something, even through My Deja News, the IP number
of your ISP is visible. A DNS can take that number and give you the
actual ISP.
Here's the relevant info for Howard Simms:
From: howar...@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.princess-diana Subject:
Re: CCTV Cameras
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:49:29 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.138.177.66
X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U)
*** Resolved 128.138.177.66 to eccr235pc66.Colorado.EDU
Here's the same info for Jordan Sage:
From: jorda...@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Jordan Sage Investigation Update
Date: 08 Aug 1999 00:00:00 GMT
X-Http-Proxy: for client 128.138.177.13
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.princess-diana
X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U)
*** Resolved 128.138.177.13 to eccr252pc13.Colorado.EDU
They both used the same system at the University of Colorado at
Boulder, and they both used the same operating system and mailer:
X-Http-User-Agent:
Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U). Which is fairly good indication that
both parties may be one and the same.
From: alrighty then! <alrigh...@my-deja.com>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.princess-diana
Subject: Re: Jordan Sage Investigation Update
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:18:31 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.213.102.3
X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; I)
X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client
207.213.102.3
X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDalrightythen
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Tony,
You are right the above information matches perfectly doesn't it?
Laura
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
John Bartram
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> OK, let's establish something once and for all. Whoever was behind the
> Jordan Sage hoax (which seems to have run its course, at least for now)
> almost certainly maintains residence in or around Boulder, Colorado.
"OK, let's establish something once and for all." - your write. So final, so
definite.
"almost certainly maintains residence in or around Boulder, Colorado." - you
faintly conclude the sentence.
So what have we established, "once and for all"? Nothing, other than that
you have an opinion.
Now to your opinion, that the perpetrator of what you term "the Jordan Sage
hoax" is likely to reside in, or near, Boulder.
The fact that you offer as evidence concerns your interpretation of IPs.
Assuming your interpretation is right, then your argument still does not
follow logically.
For example, the perpetrator could live in, oh say, Metter, Georgia, and
arrange for someone associated with Boulder to make the posts. Another
possibility is the remote operation of a computer in Boulder. Possibly I
could offer other scenarios where your assumption would be wrong.
In my opinion, therefore, it is not possible on what you have presented to
draw the same conclusion.
JCondon840
>> mean.
>
>Yes, David seems to have either got bored, or slung off the net for a while.
>
>
>
Sorry, but who is David? Thanks, Lynda
>
>
>
>
>
MC
John Bartram wrote in message ...
>
>"OK, let's establish something once and for all." - your write. So final,
so
>definite.
>
>"almost certainly maintains residence in or around Boulder, Colorado." -
you
>faintly conclude the sentence.
>So what have we established, "once and for all"? Nothing, other than that
>you have an opinion.
Let us establish firmly that some suspects are much more likely than others.
Analogy: A collection of heavy metal CDs is stolen out of my neighbor's car.
I argue that the most likely suspect would be a local teenager. Now, you
have every right to argue that we cannot rule out a gang of Trappist monks
in Bolivia who have turned renegade and taken to high tech industrial
espionage. But my suggestion is the way to bet.
>
>Now to your opinion, that the perpetrator of what you term "the Jordan Sage
>hoax" is likely to reside in, or near, Boulder.
>The fact that you offer as evidence concerns your interpretation of IPs.
You didn't read past the first bit. My argument concerns more than just the
collection of IPs.
There is also the Jordan Sage address on 14th street in Boulder. Even if it
is a POB (and I am far from sure of that), one would presumably have to live
in that city (or have a close associate in that city) to establish the box
and gather up any mail.
There is the street address on Table Mesa road in Boulder for Roger
Anderson, the man who is listed as administrator of a Sage web site.
And there is the provable existence of someone named Erlinda Sage at the
University of Colorado at Boulder, where she participates in veteran's
groups; Jordan, whoever the hell he is, has been known to use her university
email address.
>Assuming your interpretation is right, then your argument still does not
>follow logically.
>For example, the perpetrator could live in, oh say, Metter, Georgia, and
>arrange for someone associated with Boulder to make the posts. Another
>possibility is the remote operation of a computer in Boulder. Possibly I
>could offer other scenarios where your assumption would be wrong.
>In my opinion, therefore, it is not possible on what you have presented to
>draw the same conclusion.
The hoax (yes, I think the term is justified) has too many Boulder
connections. Our first attentions should go there. It is possible that not
all the hoaxers (if more than one is/are at work) live in or near that city,
but SOMEONE key to this affair obviously does.
AG
missed a couple things. I found the Mexican airfield, Russian helicopters,
cement for (fill in the blank), etc., etc., intriguing. Sorry it's so long.
Had to cover all the bases.
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some
of the greatest entertainers in American
history, but has been home to only one
man
-- "Sandman."
http://www3.telmar.com/amic_mem/forums.new/market-l/may/0069.html
Re: GLOBAL TEAMWORK
Christopher Kohler (c...@earthling.net)
Fri, 16 May 1997 23:15:19 -0700
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On 5/17/97, KidR...@AOL.COM wrote, in part:
[snippo, as urged]
> We've just entered a whole new world of massive bulk mail. Just trash it if
> you don't like it....It's not that difficult.
>
> Howard Simms
> Infomercial Production Co...
Just entered? Where you been? But no, Howard, it doesn't stop at that. Not
at all.
Spammers are also reported to ISPs (especially those with clear policies
prohibiting that), listed with web sites, newsgroups, listservs and
elsewhere for the purpose of encouraging very proactive and even massive
complaint and protest, as well as advocating and propogating outright
boycott of spam perpetrators.
Don't just say no... outnumber the jerks. And make spam pay even less.
Then it won't be worth it to them, either, as it's not worth it for the
overwhelming majority so imposed. Not that spam pays now, despite sketchy
or hazy claims, but those that wonder/hope enough to be tempted to "try"
it anyway will maybe find anti-pay more decisive.
If you don't like that, just don't spam... it's not that difficult.
Christopher Kohler
http://www.anaserve.com/~wethepeople/message2/116.htm
Posted by Howard Simms on August 04, 1999 at 14:50:13:
I have it on good source that Jordan Sage was very close to Diana. One of my
strong leads who has never been wrong on the
gossip front says Sage used to hang out with Diana. She sent him cards and
letters. They were not involved but well connected
through a mutal friend. I want to know who hired him to handle this case. I have
also been told that he was at the tunnel after the
wreck and that one of his agents tried desperately to call him but could not
reach him to warn him of the attack on Diana and Dodi.
His agent intercepted information from someone about the attack just before
Diana and Dodi were attacked. The agent that once
worked for Sage is now dead. Sage is also investigating that. Very interesting.
[email on this one is invest...@hotmail.com same as for nonrelated post on
another site]
http://www.wemark.com/sagn.html
http://ellmer.netmegs.com/sagj.html
All clients are confidential. Missing persons location & recovery. We've
constructed a site to serve other businesses and
individuals in the private sector while also advertising our own business.
We're offering FREE listings to all security
professionals on our website. We are offering all services related to high
risk and high profile cases. Special Security
Services - Anti Terrorism Services. Initial consultations are free of charge.
Jordan Sage & Associates is an international
investigative and personal protection firm. Advertise With
Specialagents.com.
http://bigsun.wbs.net/homepages/j/o/r/jordansage/
http://www.hollywoodnetwork.com/LA/jordansage/index.html
Bodyguard with combined military & civilian experience of 16 years available for
all aspects of personal protection. I also
do consulting work, risk management, and write personal security programs. I am
available to travel anywhere in the world.
Resume available for serious inquiries only. Free confidential consultations! My
fees are $3,000.00 per week plus expenses.
Call 303-449-9788 for more information.
Fax: 303-473-9731
E mail: jorda...@hotmail.com
E mail: sa...@ucsu.colorado.edu
Thank you.
Jordan Sage
Jordan Sage
303-449-9788
Fax: 303-473-9731
E mail: jorda...@hotmail.com
E mail: sa...@ucsu.colorado.edu
http://kudos.goldenware.com/news/data/Hotel_Electronic_Distribution_Network_Association_7.html
From "Ivey Business Services" <iv...@telinco.com>
Organization Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet)
Date Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:38:28 -0000
Newsgroups pdaxs.ads.hotels
We are a international investigations and personal
protection services firm.
We are available to assist you 24 hours per day, 7 Days per week.
Some of the many services that we offer are:-
# Absentee Owner Estate Security
# Aron Investigation
# Assett Recovery
# BodyGuards
# Chauffeur Services
# Competitor Intelligence Services
# Courier Services
# Covert Video & Sting Operations
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# Electronic Surveillance Countermeasures
# Fugitive Recovery
# Hotel/Casino Security
# Loss Prevention
# Maritime, Rail and Aviation Issues.
# Missing Persons Location & Recovery
# Physical Security Countermeasures
# Private Jet Services
# Psychological Profilling
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We will respond to all valid requests for information on these
services.
In order that our clients can assist you please give the following
information
please include your name,
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telephone and fax number.
Initial consultations are free of charge.
All clients confidential.
Sincerely
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Ivey Business Services
Acting on behalf of Jordan Sage Associates for the service of providing
referrals.
iv...@telinco.com
http://www.nerdworld.com/trees/nw3373.html
Jordan Sage
Associates Bodyguard Bodyguards Bodyguarding
Executive Protection Personal Protection Agent
Investigator Investigators Investigating Espionage
Spy,Surveillance
http://comunidades.infosel.com/comercioexterior/articulos/Demandas/2946/
Subject: STEEL NEEDED IN SHANGHAI CHINA
/17/99 15:39 GMT
We need a supplier of steel for several
construction projects in Shanghai China on a long term
contract approximately 5 years in duration. Send
us your company profile with available
product manifest for the construction industry.
We prefer a China based steel production plant
for quality control and shipping reasons. Send
us all information and we will pass this
along to the project managers for review and
consideration.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International
Div.
www.specialagents.com
GLOBAL GLOBAL
GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: www.specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
Subject: CEMENT NEEDED IN MEXICO
2/21/99 20:59 GMT
We have a upcoming project in Mexico near one of
our many offices which involves an aviation
facility. We will need cement there for landing
strips. Contact S.A. Weyman at:
Wey...@specialagents.com
He has all of the details and is in directly
contact with the project manager.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates
www.specialagents.com
GLOBAL GLOBAL
GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: www.specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
Subject: CEMENT WANTED FOR COLUMBIA
2/21/99 3:35 GMT
We are seeking a supplier of cement for projects
in Cali and Bogata Columbia. Additionally we are
seeking suppliers for cement products such as
large cement planters and cement barricades.
Contact us with your firm's information
including product manifest, delivery capabilities, previous
projects you supplied cement to and points of
contact.
We have (4) contracts. Two in each city, all of
which are high security installations.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates
www.specialagents.com
GLOBAL GLOBAL
GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: www.specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
Subject: CEMENT NEEDED FOR ISTANBUL TURKEY
/21/99 3:25 GMT
We are seeking a supplier of cement in Istanbul
Turkey for a secure facility on a contract
estimated to last approximately 6 months based
on initial assessment.
Contact us with details on your product,
delivery capabilities, and previous projects you supplied.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates
www.specialagents.com
GLOBAL GLOBAL
GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: www.specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
http://www.barranquillanet.com/contacta2.htm
Contact N�
Country: n.a.
We have a upcoming project in Mexico near one of our many offices which
involves an aviation facility. We will need
cement there for landing strips. Contact S.A. Weyman at:
Wey...@specialagents.com
He has all of the details and is in directly contact with the project manager.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates
URL: www.specialagents.com
GLOBAL GLOBAL
GLOBAL
Email: in...@specialagents.com
URL: http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
This offer has been posted to UNTPDC by the Import-Export Bulletin Board
System http://trade.swissinfo.net/
Contact N�
Country: n.a.
We are seeking a supplier of cement for projects in Cali and Bogota Colombia.
Additionally we are seeking suppliers for
cement products such as large cement planters and cement barricades.
Contact us with your firm's information including product manifest, delivery
capabilities, previous projects you supplied
cement to and points of contact.
We have (4) contracts. Two in each city, all of which are high security
installations.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates
URL: www.specialagents.com
GLOBAL
email: in...@specialagents.com
URL: http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: www.specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
This offer has been posted to UNTPDC by the Import-Export Bulletin Board
System http://trade.swissinfo.net/
http://www.secnet.net/security_agency.htm
Jordan Sage & Associates
http://dynaserver.com/vec/new/
Jordan Sage & Associates LTD - Worldwide Locations, United States
Jordan Sage & Associates is a world famous international investigative
and personal protection firm.
http://dynaserver.com/vec/specialagents/
Jordan Sage & Associates LTD
Worldwide Locations
Tel: www.specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
Email: infor...@specialagents.com
Website: http://www.specialagents.com/
Contact: Jordan Sage, Special Agent
Type of Business: Service, Exporter/Importer
HS-Codes: SC71 SC72 SC73
Employees: 1500
Year Established: 1993
Sales: greater than $500M
Bank Ref: Upon request
Business Message
Jordan Sage & Associates is well known for protecting celebrities
and other VIP.
Jordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and
personal protection firm with offices around the world.
VEC
http://www.iecworld.com/20203.htm
IEC02
Subject: DEMAND: [US] COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT
Jordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and personal
protection firm.
Visit the firm's web site at www.specialagents.com
Jordan Sage & Associates is upgrading communications equipment during 1999.
The following is required:
500 Motorolla ASTRO SABER Digital Radios
100 Motorolla Sprectra Digital Radios
250 Motorolla MICOM-2HF-SSB Radios
If you are an authorized Motorolla dealer, please contact the firm via e-mail.
These radios will be gradually fed into our system over the next 5 months.
Jordan Sage & Associates will take delivery as units become available.
Units will be shipped to multiple locations.
Additional orders for the same equipment will follow upon completion of phase I
of this upgrade.
Contact: Adriana Krause
Company: Jordan Sage & Assoc.
www.specialagents.com
Global Global
Global
in...@specialagents.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: in...@specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
EC07
Subject: DEMAND: [US] L BAND IRIDIUM SATELLITE COMMUNICATONS
Jordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and personal
protection firm.
The firm is now seeking a reliable distributor for L band Iridium satellite
communications systems.
Contact the firm with your details and POC information.
Contact: Adriana Krause
Company: Jordan Sage & Assoc.
www.specialagents.com
Global Global
Global
in...@specialagents.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: in...@specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
EC02
Subject: DEMAND: [US] GOLD WANTED
Tutsgold is an Egyptian travel and tour agency with several GOLD product lines.
Visit our web site at www.tutsgold.com
We are presently seeking large amounts of gold to handle a new product line we
are preparing to introduce.
All contacts must be made through JORDAN SAGE & ASSOCIATES, who represent this
exclusive firm.
Their e-mail address is: in...@specialagents.com
SERIOUS ONLY PLEASE.
Tutsgold is proud to endorse Jordan Sage & Associates.
Visit their web site: www.specialagents.com
Contact: Paula Smith
Company: Tutsgold
www.tutsgold.com
Kingston 02364
USA
anu...@tutsgold.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: anu...@tutsgold.com
Fax: anu...@tutsgold.com
http://bis.adt.ru/offer_0215.html
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BULLETIN
跆彝纤奁遮 瓮恃屡剔 �15.02.99 - Received Feb
15, 1999
2/14/99 15:24 GMT
Jordan Sage & Associates is an international
investigative and personal protection firm. Visit our web site at
www.specialagents.com to see some of the services we
offer.
We have a client seeking to buy several large
commericial power washing businesses. The client is interested in mobile
and portable power washing units for washing trucks,
busses, and aircraft.
PRINCIPALS ONLY PLEASE.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com
GLOBAL GLOBAL
GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: www.specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
General Information :
Founded : 1997
Employees : 10
Dear Sir
We are manufacturer and distributer of water proof
and vapor
permeable item. Our brand name is MOTRA. MOTRA is
made of PE
breathable film laminated to PP nonwoven. MOTRA has
the high vapor
permeability and the water resistance. MOTRA is very
soft and light.
MOTRA can be used to duckdown inner cover, house
wrapping sheet,
hopistal mattress sheet, working clothes and packing
material.
The price is cheaper than any other product.
The specifications of MOTRA is as follows;
*. Vapor permeabilty - more than 4,500-5,000cc/m2.
24hr (JIS)
*. Water resistance - more than 800mmH2O (JIS )
*. Weight : MOTRA 2220 - 45GSM
MOTRA 3030 - 63GSM
MOTRA 3020 - 53GSM
MOTRA 3535 - 73GSM
MOTRA 3620 - 60GSM
MOTRA 4420 - 67GSM
*. Composition : PE breathable film lamin
Presently, we are seeking on behalf of a client, an
entire Russian helicopter manufacturing facility. This facility will be
re-tooled to mee the client's needs. This client will
be building both civilian and military helicopters. Some of the work the
client will be doing involves government contracts.
We have received several responses from individuals
attempting to sell us individual Russian helicopters. PLEASE
NOTE: WE ARE NOT INTERESTED in a single bird. The
client, NOT OUR FIRM, is seeking to purchase an entire
manufacturing facility.
Contact us directly if you have such a firm for sale.
Please, if at all possible, principals only.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com
GLOBAL GLOBAL
GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: www.specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
We are seeking a supplier of steel for special custom
projects. This will be an exclusive agreement for long term basis.
Contact us with details on your firm, product line,
and capabilities.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com
GLOBAL GLOBAL
GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Phone: www.specialagents.com
Fax: www.specialagents.com
http://china-info.163.net/month2-4.htm
ate: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:27:45 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] Hotel properties wanted.
We are currently representing an interesting firm that is purchasing hotels,
resorts, and similar properties around the world that cater to
swingers and nude beach groups. This firm is well established and financially
secure. They are seeking large properties only. We have a
list of the requirements posted here in the office. These transactions are no
different then other property transactions, except for the
intended use after the sale.
Principals only please.
Contact Jordan Sage or Holly Thomas direct.
Contact: Jordan Sage
Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:29:44 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] JET FUEL WANTED
2/13/99 0:29 GMTWe have two clients seeking jet fuel on a two year contract, and
a one year contract based in Manilla for the one year
contract, and the two year contract is based in Cairo.
Principals only.
Contact Jordan Sage directly.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.340
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:10:41 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] Manufacturing plant needed in Mexico City.
We are seeking a large manufacturing plant in Mexico City which can be easily
changed into our format to produce bullet resistant
vehicles and related products.
Principals only.
Contact Jordan Sage directly.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.352
Subject: DEMAND: [US] OFFSHORE BANKS WANTED
We currently have five clients that recently formed a corporation. These clients
are interested in buying offshore banks.
Principals only.
Contact Jordan Sage directly.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.358
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:58:54 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] Office & manufacturing space wanted in Turkey.
2/15/99 19:58 GMTJordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and
personal protection firm. Visit our web site at
www.specialagents.com for a thumb nail sktech of some of the many services we
offer.
We are seeking office and warehouse space in Istanbul Turkey for some new
projects coming on line this March 1999. IF you have
such space readily available, please contact us, and we will put you in contact
with our represenative there directly to tour the property
and handle the transaction. We will be working in conjunction with the Turkish
Government pertaining to business licensing for this
venture.
We need an estimated 10,000 sq.ft. of warehouse space, and can get by with 3,000
sq.ft. office space. We prefer these to both be at the
same location if at all possible.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.359
ubject: DEMAND: [US] POWER WASH BUSINESS WANTED.
2/14/99 15:24 GMTJordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and
personal protection firm. Visit our web site at
www.specialagents.com to see some of the services we offer.
We have a client seeking to buy several large commericial power washing
businesses. The client is interested in mobile and portable
power washing units for washing trucks, busses, and aircraft.
PRINCIPALS ONLY PLEASE.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
ON.361
Subject: DEMAND: [US] RUSSIAN HELICOPTER MANUFACTURING PLANT WANTED
Jordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and personal
protection firm. Visit our web site at www.specialagents.com for
a brief summary of some of the many services we offer.
Presently, we are seeking on behalf of a client, an entire Russian helicopter
manufacturing facility. This facility will be re-tooled to mee
the client's needs. This client will be building both civilian and military
helicopters. Some of the work the client will be doing involves
government contracts.
We have received several responses from individuals attempting to sell us
individual Russian helicopters. PLEASE NOTE: WE ARE
NOT INTERESTED in a single bird. The client, NOT OUR FIRM, is seeking to
purchase an entire manufacturing facility.
Contact us directly if you have such a firm for sale. Please, if at all
possible, principals only.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.365
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:36:47 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] SPECIALITY PLASTICS NEEDED
TJordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and personal
protection firm. Visit our web site at www.specialagents.com
We are currently seeking a supplier of speciality heavy duty plastics. Contact
us for details, and in doing so, send us information on your
firm, product line, and capabilities. We are seeking an exclusive supplier to
work with. Long term guaranteed contracts available for this
demand.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.369
Subject: DEMAND: [US] STEEL & PLASTICS SUPPLIER WANTED
Jordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and personal
protection firm. Visit our web site at www.specialagents.com
We are currntly seeking suppliers of plastic and steel for special projects we
are working with. We seek a strong supplier for long term
contracts. Send us information on your firm, and product manifest. Serious only
please.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.370
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:40:15 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] STEEL FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS NEEDED.
Jordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and personal
protection firm. Visit our web site at www.specialagents.com
We are seeking a supplier of steel for special custom projects. This will be an
exclusive agreement for long term basis.
Contact us with details on your firm, product line, and capabilities.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.371
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:39:25 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] STEEL NEEDED IN SHANGHAI CHINA
We need a supplier of steel for several construction projects in Shanghai China
on a long term contract approximately 5 years in
duration. Send us your company profile with available product manifest for the
construction industry. We prefer a China based steel
production plant for quality control and shipping reasons. Send us all
information and we will pass this along to the project managers for
review and consideration.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.372
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:20:21 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] USED Cash Transport Vehicles Wanted
We are seeking to purchase used cash transport vehicles for training purposes.
These will ultimately be destroyed during training so we
are not picky about condition. We will take delivery of these in Mexico City, or
Parral Mexico.
Principals only.
Contact Jordan Sage directly.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.379
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:23:17 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] Used limousines wanted.
We are currently seeking damaged or wrecked limousines for training purposes. We
will take delivery of these vehicles in Mexico City or
Parral Mexico. These vehicles will be totally destroyed, or worse, during
training. Looks and condition is not important. They must be
operational.
Principals only.
Contact Jordan Sage directly.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.384
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:50:07 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] WEB SITE DESIGNER WANTED
Jordan Sage & Associates is an international investigative and personal
protection firm. Visit our web site at www.specialagents.com for
a brief summary of some of the services we offer.
Presently, and as part of our 1999 ad campaign, we are seeking to revamp our
current web site. As such, we are seeking a professional
designer with proven talent and ability. Send us information on your firm,
costs, and references of URL's you have been involved with.
We need talent and dependability.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International
NO.386
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:17:48 -0500
Subject: DEMAND: [US] Yachts Wanted For New Charter Business.
We are representing a client that is now purchasing large sailing and power
yachts for a new business venture pertaining to charters of
high profile individuals. The client is seeking exceptional yachts at least 100'
long.
Principals only.
Contact Jordan Sage directly.
Contact: Jordan Sage Company: Jordan Sage & Associates International Div.
www.specialagents.com GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL
in...@specialagents.com http://trade.swissinfo.net/vec/1/ Phone:
www.specialagents.com Fax: www.specialagents.com
NO.391
MC wrote:
> OK, let's establish something once and for all. Whoever was behind the
> Jordan Sage hoax (which seems to have run its course, at least for now)
> almost certainly maintains residence in or around Boulder, Colorado.
>
> Whenever you post something, even through My Deja News, the IP number of
> your ISP is visible. A DNS can take that number and give you the actual ISP.
> Here's the relevant info for Howard Simms:
>
> From: howar...@my-deja.com
> Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.princess-diana Subject:
> Re: CCTV Cameras
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:49:29 GMT
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.138.177.66
> X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U)
>
> *** Resolved 128.138.177.66 to eccr235pc66.Colorado.EDU
>
> Here's the same info for Jordan Sage:
>
> From: jorda...@my-deja.com
> Subject: Re: Jordan Sage Investigation Update
> Date: 08 Aug 1999 00:00:00 GMT
> X-Http-Proxy: for client 128.138.177.13
> Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.princess-diana
> X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U)
>
> *** Resolved 128.138.177.13 to eccr252pc13.Colorado.EDU
>
> They both used the same system at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and
> they both used the same operating system and mailer: X-Http-User-Agent:
> Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U). Which is fairly good indication that both
> parties may be one and the same.
>
tony
alrighty then! <alrigh...@my-deja.com>
wrote in message
news:7pbsb8$22a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article
<rrij65...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "MC" <mca...@instanet.com> wrote:
> OK, let's establish something once and for
all. Whoever was behind the
> Jordan Sage hoax (which seems to have run
its course, at least for
Update
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.213.102.3
> X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en]
(Win98; I)
> X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80
(Squid/1.1.22) for client
> 207.213.102.3
> X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDalrightythen
> Xref: news3.relaypoint.net
alt.conspiracy.princess-diana:10821
>
> Tony,
> You are right the above information matches
perfectly doesn't it?
>
> Laura
Laura, it's just not that simple now is it?
If you're embarrassed, just say so, that's
fine, we all do silly things. You do have
some explaining to do though
It's up to you to show the NG, and up to that
point there is doubt, and where there is
doubt there is suspicion.
Come in, this is an opportunity for the
benefit of the doubt - use it!
--
Tony
ma...@topcat.freeserve.co.uk
How did I get here?
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banana
alt.conspiracy.princess-diana and stamped at '23:40:55' on 'Wed, 18 Aug
1999', tony <REMOVEME...@topcat.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
>alrighty then! <alrigh...@my-deja.com>
>wrote in message
>news:7pbsb8$22a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
<snip>
>> Tony,
>> You are right the above information matches
>perfectly doesn't it?
>>
>> Laura
>
>
>Laura, it's just not that simple now is it?
>If you're embarrassed, just say so, that's
>fine, we all do silly things. You do have
>some explaining to do though
>
>It's up to you to show the NG, and up to that
>point there is doubt, and where there is
>doubt there is suspicion.
>
>Come in, this is an opportunity for the
>benefit of the doubt - use it!
Tony, you are making unsubstantiated allegations about someone and
demanding that they defend themselves - do you realise that?
--
banana
Chris
JCondon840 <jcond...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990817174628...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
you have a reason to be paranoid.
mail me.
Chris.
chris...@dnet.co.uk