Milton William Cooper
cydo...@my-deja.com
20th century. He even beats Erich von Daniken. For those of you who
belive Cooper, let me ask you this. What hard evidence has he come up
with? None. If you still don't believe me, see the good evidence I have
provided, unless you are a close-minded fool. (I'm not talking about
some people I have sent this paper to.)
There are several differences between Cooper and me.
1. Cooper- Supports stories with loosely-based evidence and lies.
Me- I use police and medical records, and the scrutiny of critical
thinking, etc.
2. Cooper- Wants you to waste money on his merchandi$e.
Me- I want you to know the REAL TRUTH.
But what does Cooper do, anyway? His main characteristic are taking
in all kinds of conspiracies and embellishing them until he can tell
his followers about his new revelation, which will often come from his
work on a naval intelligence briefing team on U.S.S. Oriskany.
According to naval records, he was on an intelligence team. For a short
time. As an AV boy. He was honorably discharged. His integrity ends
there. If he's not embellishing a paranoid psychotic's delusions, then
he's just plain lying. He will also make odd 180 degree turns on things
and people, like his new decision that UFOs are actually gov. fakes,
rather than his earlier decision that they contained aliens which
cooperate with the government, and the way he turned on Bob lazar, John
Lear, and many others who used to be his dearest friends, but are now
CIA disinformants. His two other characteristics are that he will
become defensive and aggressive when subjected to skeptical scrutiny,
which, according to various psychology textbooks, is characteristic of
lying, especially PATHOLOGICAL LYING. Cooper will also arrive at his
lectures smelling like 'Boozy' Boris Yeltsin up to 6 ft. away from his
body.
Let's delve into these lies. Cooper has written many credulous
documents. (I call them trash-terpieces.) We'll use Operation Majority,
NASA Masonic Conspiracy. He also wrote in his book about Project
Galileo, and now that I have e-mailed him about it, he made up a leaky
story to protect himself.
Operation Majority- This is mainly about an inside joke John Lear and
John Grace wrote, called the O.H. Krill Papers. Cooper heavily
embellished them with and among other things, an obviously false
statement about 3mm spherical implants placed in 1 out of 40 people by
Grey alien boogeymen. (Wouldn't a doctor performing an autopsy, brain
scan, or brain surgery notice some sort of anomaly?)
NASA Masonic Conspiracy- Here Cooper shows loosely-based about
spacecraft names (What's in a name?) and his total lack of knowledge
about lunar lighting conditions and surface albedo.
Project Galileo- The most peculiar and fraudulent of them all, Cooper
performs the only copyright infringement in the form of a conspiracy
theory. He now states that he said nothing of it, although it was in
his book. He basically says that Galileo will use plutonium and
Jupiter's atmospheric pressure to create another Sun named Lucifer. Now
I'll quote Arthur C. Clarke's book, 2010: Oddessy Two:
"Fifty times more brilliant than the full Moon, Lucifer had transformed
the skies of Earth, virtually banishing night for months at a time."
Sound familiar?
For those of you who still belive Cooper, why don't you check out how
he did on Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit (Self-explanatory)
There is no confirmation of "facts".
Occam's Razor will chop most of his theories apart.
Ad hominem- attacking the arguer and not the argument.
Well, Cooper does this a lot.
Inconsistency-
All those 180 degree turns...
Non Sequitur- The logic falls down.
The logic is frequently weak.
Straw Man- Caricaturing a position to make it easier to attack.
Calls UFOlogists CIA disinformants.
Suppresed Evidence or Half-Truths
Quite frequent with Cooper.
Still blindly trusting Cooper? I have some odds and ends that
discredit him very well.
Now that Cooper dosen't believe there are really aliens taking us,
(which I don't believe either, but I don't go along with his new
theories) he has leaked in many places. Here are two instances:
1. He has called UFOlogists CIA agents trying to to cover up stuff like
the O.H. Krill Papers, which he has accused John Lear of doing. Now
that Cooper says UFOs are artificial threats, but has not changed his
mind on UFOlogists, wouldn't the UFOlogists be doing the opposite of
what they're supposed to be doing?
2. In one of Cooper's speeches, he states that there were UFOs in the
Vietnam War, and EMPHATICALLY stated that they were alien controlled.
Oops, he changed his mind!
Cooper has claimed that John Lear is Condor from The Aviary, an
alleged government group. You see, Cooper listened to a tape with
Condor's voice on it, and analyzed it proving it was Lear. In fact,
Condor's voice was masked with a vocoder, which deletes all human
qualities from voice.
How about the Zapruder film?
Cooper's Claim: The film shows President Kennedy's limo driver, William
Greer turn around and shoot Kennedy.
The Clear, Colorized Version Of The Zapruder Film: It shows Greer look
back at Kennedy twice, one time involving a reflection of the Sun, thus
making a reflection that looked, and only looked like a weapon.
And of course, two stories which Cooper uses to defend himself:
1. Hooverites chased him off a cliff in their car while Cooper was on
his motorcycle, and he lost his leg.
Fact: Cooper was heavily inebriated, and cut off his own leg in his own
intoxication, according to police and medical records.
2. Cooper sent his family away for their own protection, because the
feds were attacking their house.
Fact: Recently, the police have been investigating complaints about
domestic violence in the Cooper residence. I think there is a
correlation.
If you still believe Cooper's claims, there's nothing I can do. Just
give me some good evidence for them. My e-mail address is
cydo...@bored.com. If you believe me, that's good. I urge you to
spread word about this liar. Also e-mail Cooper about how he's wasting
the Information Superhighway, please.
Sincerely,
D.E. Bunker
(Pseudonym)
Bibliography:
1. 201O: Oddessy Two
Arthur C. Clarke
(I don't have the book with me, so I can't give full
credit. My sincerest apologies, Arthur.)
2. The Demon-Haunted World
Carl Sagan
Random House New York
C. 1995
3. www.tje.net/para/documents/cooper_who.htm
4. ufos.about.com/science/ufos/library/weekly/aa120997.htm
5. members.ncbi.com/UFO_Library;/documents/Galileo.txt
6. www.geocities.com:0800/Area51/2793/speech.html
7. home.worldonline.nl/~karel/ufo/people/cooper-lear/stale-horse.html
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Before you buy.
cydo...@my-deja.com
Garrison L. Hilliard
: Who is Milton William Cooper? He is one of the biggest liars of the
: 20th century. He even beats Erich von Daniken. For those of you who
: belive Cooper, let me ask you this. What hard evidence has he come up
: with? None. If you still don't believe me, see the good evidence I have
: provided, unless you are a close-minded fool. (I'm not talking about
: some people I have sent this paper to.)
Ah, I know a cue for a repost when I see one! (sorry about the formatting,
folks... blame TIN!)
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>From: "Garrison L. Hilliard" <aa3...@FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU>
>Subject: Majestic 12
>X-To: skeptix@bitnet
>To: Multiple recipients of list SKEPTIX
>
>Here you go, folks, straight from my GT net echo to you...
>
>
>THE SECRET GOVERNMENT
>The Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12
>By Milton William Cooper
>May 23, 1989
>
Oh, GACK! William Cooper! The _one_ UFOlogist who is nearly
universally _condemned_ by other UFOlogists! Incoherency
Incarnate! The
Object O'Scorn among those of us who pay attention to the Fringe!
How's he doing?
Actually, this is a nice excuse to circulate the following--
my
_Humanist_ column for November-December 1992. It was one of the few
times I
got into a classic "skeptic" topic, I had a lot of fun writing it, and
I
hope y'all like it. (Please post your praise publicly; it's good for
my
ego.)
Hangin' with Zontar at the Grassy Knoll, or,
Greyz N the Hood
by Brian Siano
_ Hath not an alien eyes? Much in the likenesses of children
found on
black velvet? Hath not an alien hands, vestigal organs, multiple
dimensions,
senses, and passions? Do we not look like praying mantises? If you
prick us,
do we not bleed purple dripping ichor? If you wrong us, shall we not
abduct
you?. . . I demand my pound of flesh, a few unfertilized eggs and
semen
samples, and maybe a couple of heifers from Colorado to pass the
time._
Ignatz Shakespeare, "The Merchant of
Venus"
Aliens have to put up with a lot of prejudice. Even UFOlogists
call
them "the Greys" because of their skin color-- they don't even _try_
to use
the more politically correct "Ashen-Americans." I'm sure you've heard
the
stereotypes before; _All_ aliens abduct people for medical
experiments.
_All_ cattle mutilations are done by aliens. Those Greys are _taking
over_
our country with their superior technology. Their spacecraft are
smaller,
faster, and more fuel-efficient than ours. The Greys are crafty,
sinister,
telepathic, inscrutable, and they all look alike. The Greys want our
_women._ The Greys use the blood of Christian babies to make matzoh
bread,
hide subliminal messgaes on Metallica albums, eat dogs and cats, and
secretly run the world through the Rothschild banks.
But the situation has gotten so bad that UFOlogist Wendelle C.
Stevens (USAF ret.) recently felt the need to write an article for
_International UFO Library Magazine_ titled, "All 'Greys' Are Not
Reticulans." It seems that ". . . most of the 'greys' are actually
coming
from someplace else and are not Reticulans at all. The true Reticulans
are
being erroneously blamed for the misdeeds of all those others, some of
whom
seem to be involved in the ET genetic experiments now being reported
more
and more."
Stevens complains that when Budd Hopkins was assembling his
book
_Intruders_, he was "pre-selecting" cases where Grey-like aliens were
involved. Turns out that all of the visiting types of aliens were
performing
these experiments, but the Greys from Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 Reticuli-- the
ones
contacting Bill Herrmann of Charleston, South Carolina, at least--
were NOT.
Now, if this strikes you as splitting hairs (although it could
be
important to the apparently-snobbish Zeta Reticulans), you can imagine
just
how many UFO-contact theories are zooming around out there. So let's
take a
look in the UFO Coverup Conspiracy and Wish-Fulfillment Paranoia
pool. I
stuck a toe in that pool, and walked away feeling like I'd been dunked
into
a vat of sewage effluents. This metaphorical pool is stagnant, fetid,
murky,
and chock full of grotty bottom-feeders scrounging amongst themselves
for a
tasty bit of phlegm. So we'll have to be content with culturing a
sample or
two of the most _outr_ growths-- but let's make sure we keep the
things in
the glove box, and store them at Absolute Zero.
_"Well it had been 987 years in outer space time when I got back,
Couldn't seem to find any of my friends to tell my interesting stories
to"_
-- The B-52's, "Is That You,
Mo-Dean?"
Twenty-five years ago, UFOlogists speculated as to whether the
government really did take UFOs seriously, and might be concealing its
real
and substantial interest. These days, most UFO coverup theories
_begin_ with
the crashed-saucer-recovery story in William Moore and Charles
Berlitz's
1980 book _The Roswell Incident_. According to the authors, the
government
recovered saucer wreckage and four bodies from a crash at Roswell, New
Mexico, and they've been keeping it a secret since 1947. The authors'
previous books do not inspire confidence. Berlitz wrote a discredited
study
on the Bermuda Triangle, and Moore was previously known for his book
_The
Philadelphia Experiment_.
And between three books on the subject, there's not a lot of
agreement. There was either one crash with four bodies (Moore), one
crash
with three bodies and one survivor (Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt, _UFO
Crash
at Roswell_), or _two_ crashes, 150 miles apart, one with four bodies
and
the other with three bodies and one survivor (Stanton Friedman and Don
Berliner, _Crash at Corona_, to be published). Given the above
confusion,
it's not surprising that photos of the collected debris are claimed to
be
the 'actual' debris in Moore's book, and _faked_ wreckage in Randle's.
Problem is, the debris pictured looks like a kite made of tinfoil.
Now, let's add the further confusion of the MJ-12
papers. (This is
pretty condensed, so follow this carefully.) In 1987, William Moore
received
what appeared to be Top Secret papers that outlined the formation of a
high-level commission called Majestic-12, to study the recovered
wreckage
from _one_ crash in 1947. The papers, if authentic, would have been
the
'smoking gun' supporting accounts of a crashed-saucer cover-up. UFO
debunker
Philip Klass turned up a lot of anomalies in the documents-- for
example, a
signature of Harry Truman was _exactly_ like another, authentic Truman
signature, and showed signs of apparent Xerox-doctoring. Friedman has
endorsed their authenticity, even though they mention only _one_
crash--
conflicting with his compromise two-crash scenario. Moore, on the
other
hand, threw the whole fire-and-boat drill into a tizzy when he
announced at
the 1989 Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) conference that he'd served as a
government misinformation agent, feeding false data to other
UFOlogists.
Currently, the various crashed-saucer camps are calling each other
names in
a three-way standoff. And they don't like Phil Klass a whole lot,
either.
Remember, this is the _less_ extravagant end of UFO coverup
theories. These are the _serious_ researchers whose books are
published by
major companies, who get substantial grants from UFO research
organizations,
and who are featured speakers at UFO conferences. These are the
_respectable_ UFO coverup researchers. Just keep telling yourself
that.
_"While cruising through the ionosphere, I saw these alien beings.
Everywhere I went up there, they were shakin' their alien things."_
-- The B-52's, "Cosmic
Thing"
Moving on to the slightly more. . . _baroque_ factions, we
come
across Bob Lazar, who turned up late last year on KLAS-TV in
Nevada. Lazar
claims to have worked for the U.S. Navy at a lab in Los Alamos, and
was
regularly shuttled to an area designated S-4. At S-4, Lazar was
permitted to
check out the latest in alien-derived technology-- at least nine
flying
saucers using 'gravity-wave drives' powered by antimatter reactors
which use
a theoretical Element 115. Lazar has a fertile imagination for such
things
as candles that don't burn or melt under distorted gravity, and
playfully
bouncing golfballs from a repulsion field.
Researchers for the ParaNet computer network, however, were
unable
to confirm many of Lazar's claims. Beyond a phone book listing, a
newspaper
article about jet cars, and a W-2 form that anyone could've filled out
at
the public library, Bob Lazar the Government Physicist seems never to
have
existed. George Knapp of KLAS-TV says that "We did a lot of checking
on him
and found interestingly enough that his life was disappearing around
him. .
. We called Los Alamos Labs and they said they never heard of him. We
called
MIT where he says he went to school and they had never heard of
him. We
called for his birth records and they had disappeared. . . as if
someone was
trying to make him a non-person." Most journalists, faced with this
lack of
substantiation, would figure Lazar was yanking someone's chain. Knapp
put
him on the news.
Other problems in Lazar's story turn up. In a KLAS interview,
describing the dissection of an alien body-- yep, those pesky Greys
from
Zeta Reticuli again-- Lazar says that the insides seemed to be "one
large
organ, as opposed to identifiable heart and lungs," and follows this
by
saying how the pathologist catalogued and weighed the _individual_
organs.
Paranet has also circulated criticisms of the wonky gee-whiz
gravity-bends-space-and-time physics Lazar describes. It _sounds_
quasi-Einsteinian to the layman, but Lazar trips up on details-- for
example, antimatter is _not_ made by bombarding matter with protons,
let
alone a theoretical Element 115, which can only form within stars.
Lazar wishes to keep his distance from the debates of the UFO
community. This is understandable, considering who brought him into
the
circus.
Who is Killing the Guernseys of Colorado?
The man who brought Lazar to KLAS was John Lear, son of the
Learjet's developer. He maintains that not only does the government
have
_forty_ saucers stashed away, but they've got anywhere from 25 to 100
alien
bodies in cryogenic storage, three living aliens in custody, and a
long-standing "business deal" with the Space Brothers, "having been
duped
into thinking they were making some kind of agreement in which we
traded
permission to abduct humans in return for super-advanced technology."
Lear's Laundry List of established 'facts' includes: secret
U.S.
military bases on the Moon and Mars; there are Martians, but they look
just
like us; there are at least 70 different species of aliens visiting
Earth,
engaging in abductions and cattle mutilations; there are secret alien
bases
underground in Nevada; AIDS was developed by an "R.M. Donner" for the
Navy
between 1969 and 1972; John Lennon, Charlie Chaplin, and Pee-Wee
Herman,
among others, were 'killed or destroyed' by the CIA; and man was
developed
by aliens to be a 'container' for "physical matter, blood, enzymes,
hormones, souls, thoughts, emotions. . . all of it engineered,
multiplied,
grown, harvested, and processed by a higher entity, and their
licensees. . .
At the end of the corporeal life of the container, the soul is
extracted and
either stored for future use or reintroduced into a fetal
container. To what
purpose? It's probably none of our business anymore that it's a cow's
business what they are here for.If you have wondered why the
government has
never come clean on the subject of flying saucers, maybe you should
consider
why we never take the trouble to brief cows on the reason for their
existence."
I'd love to hear the bedtime stories he tells his kids. But
perhaps
the _real_ core of Lear's hypothesis rests on one big assumption; all
of the
rest of us are ignorant, ill-educated sheep. Doubt his tale of the
development of AIDS? You're likely to be told that "If this sounds
unbelievable, this is because there are a number of things you don't
understand about world population growth versus food consumption. The
reason
you don't understand these things is you have not been fed this type
of
information because it's none of your business. And if you still think
you
have a government by the people and for the people, you are as
ignorant as
you are misinformed." Wonder how the government could keep such a
thing a
secret all these years? "Well, if you truly believe that the
government
can't keep a secret when it wants to, then you are worse than
terminally
ignorant. You are willfully ignorant."
Then Lear plays his trump card. "Find a friend in an aerospace
related government project. Ask him this question that will not in any
way
compromise his oath of security. Ask him, 'Would you bet your life
that John
Lear is wrong?'" I think most people can find more important things to
bet
their lives on.
I can guess at least one question you might have at this
point; "How
extreme can this stuff get before _someone_ decides enough's
enough?" When
UFOlogists claim not only to have determined different species of
aliens,
which star systems they've come from, and what their technology is
like, and
where their underground bases are, one can't help but wonder if maybe
there's a limit. Imagine a story so outrageous even the _Weekly World
News_
wouldn't print it. Imagine, perhaps, a UFOlogist who's managed to
throw
nearly every shred of credibility he has to the four winds.
_ "They're good fine people, Stuart, But they don't know what
the
_queers_ are doing to the _soil_. . . The government says it's bad
farming,
but I know it's the queers. They're in it with the aliens. They're
building
_landing strips_ for _GAY MARTIANS! I SWEAR TO GOD!_ You know what,
Stuart?
I _like_ you."_
-- The Dead Milkmen,
"Stuart"
Which brings us to William Cooper.
Even other UFOlogists say "Enough!" at this point. Cooper made
his
first appearance on Paranet, and administrator Jim Speiser has since
barred
Cooper from posting material onto the system. Budd Hopkins wrote "The
Paranoid Temptation" for the _MUFON Journal_, specifically denouncing
Cooper. James Moseley's _Saucer Smear_ calls Cooper's and Lear's
claims
"wild ravings," and Jerome Clark of _International UFO Reporter_ uses
the
phrase "lurid pulp fantasies." _UFO_ magazine attacked Cooper in its
"Whistleblowers" column; editor Vicki Cooper (no relation) recently
wrote an
article about fascist trends in UFO imagery and claims, citing
Cooper's use
of the anti-Semitic _Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion_ in his
recent
book _Behold a Pale Horse_.
According to a lecture delivered at the 1989 _Whole Earth
Expo_,
Cooper's yet another former military man who's been seeing UFOs and
UFO-related stuff throughout his career; aircraft carrier-sized
spaceships
emerging from the ocean depths, for example, or 'enemy helicopters'
abducting whole villages in Vietnam. You know, the _usual_. Lesser men
would
have shrugged such things off as being merely "spooky," or "a
coincidence,"
but Cooper immediately realized that Something Was Going
On. Eventually,
Cooper claims, he was given "Top Secret Magic" clearance, where he
dealt
with "answers to questions which you didn't know what the questions
were so
you really didn't know what the message was all about." Uh-huh.
Suddenly Cooper was dealing with all sorts of UFO coverup
stuff--
crashed saucers recovered by the Nazis in 1936, "Operation Majority,"
Project GRUDGE, MAJI, SIGMA, PLATO, AQUARIUS, GARNET, POUNCE, SNOWBIRD
and
REDLIGHT, the test flights of captured UFOs in Nevada, the real moon
landing
in 1962, the alien creation of Jesus and four major religions, and
lots,
lots more. Cooper out-Majestics the other conspiratologists by
presenting
the Jason Society, top secret people from the Manhattan Project, Nobel
prizewinners, and people from the Council on Foreign Relations, who
were
appointed to figure out the alien technology. He also maintains that
Whitley
Streiber's book _Majestic_ was based on authentic government
documents-- and
that Streiber, along with William Moore, is a government
agent. (Streiber,
by the way, was so angered by obnoxious UFO proponents that he turned
away
from the whole movement.)
It's part of the effort to weaken our moral fiber and get us
used to
the existence of aliens, Cooper sez. At a 1989 conference in Modesto,
Cooper
maintained that the actors on the TV series _Alien Nation_ were _real_
aliens, whom he designated "Orange." This cultural saturation effort
is
funded in large part through drug money; Cooper says that the "Project
Grudge" documents from the early 1960's specify that George Bush would
use
Zapata Oil's drilling platforms as smuggling centers. And when
President
Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to stop their drug running, the Bilderbergers
ordered
him killed. Or, in Cooper's words at the _Whole Earth Expo_ talk;
"President Kennedy was killed by the driver of his car, his
name was
William Greer, he used a recoilless, electrically operated,
gas-powered
assassination pistol that was specially built by the CIA to
assassinate
people at close range. It fired an explosive pellet which injected a
large
amount of shellfish poison into the brain, and that is why, in the
documents, it stated that President Kennedy's brain was removed. If
you've
studied the case, you will find that indeed his brain disappeared. The
reason for that is so that they would not find the particles of the
exploding pellet or the shellfish poison in his brain which would have
proved conclusively that Lee Harvey Oswald was NOT the assassin. In
fact,
Lee Harvey Oswald never fired a shot, he was the patsy."
And a year later, at the 1990 _Expo_: "[MAJESTY TWELVE] is the
secret government, which controls the alien technology and the Defense
Industrial Complex. Who report to the Royal Institute of
International
Affairs in London. Who reports to the Rothschild family, who owns the
Bank
of England and who owns, ladies and gentlemen, the FEDERAL RESERVE OF
THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA." UFOlogists who disagree with Cooper are
part of
the disinformation campaign, and L. Ron Hubbard's in on it as well,
since
Scientology teaches about extraterrestrials. Cooper claims Hubbard
worked
for the Office of Naval Intelligence, and that a former associate of
his had
founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, _pretty damn strange, huh?_ And
as
the Council on Foreign Relations is planning to 'depopulate' two
billion
people by the year 2000, and the dark night falls upon the globe, the
smiler
with the knife roams the alleyways of our souls and we await with
shuddering
dread the whisper of the truncheon above our heads--
_AAAAAGGGGHHHHH!! ENOUGH! STOP!_ Jesus, do you people know
what it's
like to slog _through_ this shit? Forty-five-page rants about how a
rival
UFOlogist is a mother-grabbing, father-raping whoremonger? The
whoremonger's
reply that the first guy is a coke-snuffling Communist
degenerate? Their
followers apologetically claiming that the more embarrassing screeds
are CIA
disinformation?
I'm only exaggerating _slightly_; I assembled a lot of Cooper
and
Lear material for this article, but it's mostly umpty-ump-page rants
about
how other UFOlogists-- usually the ones who dare criticize Cooper--
are
government disinformation agents. His lectures have included rococo
accounts
of analyzing videotapes of John Lear for careful 'body analysis' and
'voice
descrambling.' At one point, according to _UFO_ magazine, Cooper
accused Bob
Lazar of dealing in drugs and prostitution; Lazar has admitted on a TV
show
that he'd written software to manage a bordello (which is no big
deal), but
the 'drug dealing' part seems to be based on a reference to Lazar's
jet-car
hobbies and a 'speed lab' where he makes the fuel. There must be a
market
for this stuff; UFO conspiratologist Lars Hansson is selling a 300+
page
compendium of documents detailing his wars with Lear and Cooper-- whom
he
initially _believed_. You people don't know how _ugly_ this stuff can
get;
it's like watching wasps crawl on an infant's cheek.
Maybe you can't blame the UFO-conspiracy theorists for such
extremes. After all, they claim they're onto the Most Important News
Story
of All Time, and they face the obstacles of government surveillance,
harassment, and misinformation. But I have a hard time believing that
even
the _respectable_ UFO coverup researchers could track down their own
shoelaces, especially when we put these 'investigative' efforts into
their
proper context.
William Greider's _Secrets of the Temple_ detailed the
operations of
the Federal Reserve, and his _Who Will Tell the People?_ managed to
explicate a maddeningly complex story of nationwide financial
mismanagement
and ruin. Robert Caro's _The Power Broker_ described how Robert Moses'
Triborough Authority ran the complex politics of New York City for
more than
forty years. Even events which could be considered government
'cover-ups'
can be examined substantially and in detail; its complicity in the
drug
trade was examined in Alfred McCoy's _The Politics of Heroin_, and Tim
Weiner was able to outline the Pentagon's "black budget" in _Blank
Check_.
And as far as government malice towards whistleblowers goes, John
Stockwell
(_In Search of Enemies_) and Philip Agee (_CIA Diary_) got published
in
spite of lengthy government harassment efforts. Solzhenitsyn even
managed to
get _The Gulag Archipelago_ published.
If the government really was keeping the aliens in storage,
there's
_no_ legitimate excuse for not having uncovered the story in complete
and
convincing detail by now-- unless, maybe, there's no story to be
uncovered.
Compared to the above examples of substantial journalism, even the
more
respected UFO-Coverup investigators sound like children playing Junior
G-Man, with secret decoder rings, hidden military bases and
'misinformation
agents.'
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Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano (re...@cellar.org) sez:
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Fre...@liberty.com
right where it hurts most...'cause just look at the attempts at DAMAGE
CONTROL...again:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:13:27 GMT, cydo...@my-deja.com posted:
> Who is Milton William Cooper? He is one of the biggest liars of the
>20th century.
Claim of a LIAR right there.
>He even beats Erich von Daniken.
NO relationship whatsoever...more Cheap fodder for more Cheap Shots,
the Enemy's Hallmark.
>For those of you who
>belive Cooper, let me ask you this. What hard evidence has he come up
>with? None.
Now the Tactic of the STACKED DECK, the ONLY way the Enemy Will Play
because it's the ONLY WAY THE ENEMY CAN PLAY! What hard evidence?
None...stacking the deck. For those of you who are NOT Change Agents,
I suggest you read Bill Cooper's Excellent book, BEHOLD A PALE HORSE,
and visit his Excellent website:
They you may avail yourselves of the HARD EVIDENCE and Learn HOW FAR
OFF BASE Professional LIARS, Damage Control, and Change Agents Really
are.
>If you still don't believe me, see the good evidence I have
>provided, unless you are a close-minded fool.
Another Manipulation Tactic of the Enemy...DO THIS or DON'T DO THAT or
you're a (fill in the Insulting and Disparaging term(s) here). DON'T
FALL FOR IT!
>(I'm not talking about
>some people I have sent this paper to.)
> There are several differences between Cooper and me.
Now THAT IS True...Mr. Cooper is a Real American Patriot!
>1. Cooper- Supports stories with loosely-based evidence and lies.
That's the Euphemism for Direct Hits RIGHT ON Target.
> Me- I use police and medical records, and the scrutiny of critical
>thinking, etc.
In other words, Relying on Corruption ad Tampering, the Enemy's LIES
as 'facts'.
>2. Cooper- Wants you to waste money on his merchandi$e.
And what merchandise is that? In other words, what items are a waste
of money?
> Me- I want you to know the REAL TRUTH.
Your post has just PROVEN that to be a DAMN LIE!
> But what does Cooper do, anyway?
He Spearheads the AMERICAN RESTORATION, THAT'S what he does!
That's what Mr. Cooper does...now, What do you do, other than of
course, Damage Control for the Enemy?
>His main characteristic are taking
>in all kinds of conspiracies and embellishing them until he can tell
>his followers about his new revelation, which will often come from his
>work on a naval intelligence briefing team on U.S.S. Oriskany.
He learned of the Treason in other areas as well.
>According to naval records, he was on an intelligence team. For a short
>time. As an AV boy. He was honorably discharged. His integrity ends
>there.
He was on the Intelligence Briefing Team for CINCPACFLT...and his
Integrity is Impeccable.
>If he's not embellishing a paranoid psychotic's delusions, then
>he's just plain lying.
You're Feeble Psychopolitical Manipulation Attempts are already well
understood.
>He will also make odd 180 degree turns on things
>and people, like his new decision that UFOs are actually gov.
>fakes,
>rather than his earlier decision that they contained aliens which
>cooperate with the government, and the way he turned on Bob lazar, John
>Lear, and many others who used to be his dearest friends, but are now
>CIA disinformants.
Mr. Cooper has made a 180 degree turn on the matter of the
'extraterrestrial' aspects of UFOs BECAUSE of his Integrity, UNLIKE
those who Embrace PET THEORIES, upon his learning the Truth about
UFOs. Mr. Cooper is also the ONLY person I've ever heard who WILL and
HAS Stood Corrected for a few inaccuracies on worldwide shortwave
radio, before the world, and APOLOGIZED on the air for his few
mistakes and went far out of his way to Inform listeners of the
Correction. If THAT isn't Integrity, NOTHING is! Also, Mr. Cooper
Endeavors to tell the Truth NO MATTER THE COST, whether his 'friends',
his family, hiw wealth, even his Life...and he has in Fact PROVEN that
Many times over.
>His two other characteristics are that he will
>become defensive and aggressive when subjected to skeptical scrutiny,
>which, according to various psychology textbooks, is characteristic of
>lying, especially PATHOLOGICAL LYING.
Psychology as Deployed and Employed, is a FRAUD, A Strategic and
Tactical WEAPON Designed and Used by the Enemy Specifically for the
Vile Purpose of adding the ILLUSION of 'credibility' to PERSECUTION,
MANIPULATION, and other ATTACKS against their Political opponents!
THAT is what you are Supporting...while having the Unmitigated Gall to
Attack a True American Patriot.
I Invite EVERYONE out here to Verify this Fact by Reading:
"A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics", at the
following SOURCE:
http://user.netonecom.net/~gwood/TLP/ref/brainwsh.htm
>Cooper will also arrive at his
>lectures smelling like 'Boozy' Boris Yeltsin up to 6 ft. away from his
>body.
The Cheapest Shot of all...Always resorted by those who can do nothing
else.
> Let's delve into these lies. Cooper has written many credulous
>documents. (I call them trash-terpieces.) We'll use Operation Majority,
>NASA Masonic Conspiracy. He also wrote in his book about Project
>Galileo, and now that I have e-mailed him about it, he made up a leaky
>story to protect himself.
Prominent by it's Absence in the above, or perhaps it's a Deliberate
Omission, is MAJESTYTWELVE. Here, READ about it:
http://williamcooper.com/majestyt.htm
>Operation Majority- This is mainly about an inside joke John Lear and
>John Grace wrote, called the O.H. Krill Papers.
Nope.
>Cooper heavily
>embellished them with and among other things, an obviously false
>statement about 3mm spherical implants placed in 1 out of 40 people by
>Grey alien boogeymen. (Wouldn't a doctor performing an autopsy, brain
>scan, or brain surgery notice some sort of anomaly?)
Bill Cooper has already REFUTED that earlier MISinformation years
ago...and if YOU had Any Semblance of Integrity, you wouldn't be
resorting to the Cheap Shot of rehashing it.
You must really have a problem with meteorologists' weather
forecasts...they're ALWAYS changing their forecasts as new, more
Accurate information becomes available. So WHY aren't you Attacking
them as 'liars' for doing that, huh? WHY instead do you Single out
Bill Cooper? Sounds like you're BIASED against the man.
>NASA Masonic Conspiracy- Here Cooper shows loosely-based about
>spacecraft names (What's in a name?) and his total lack of knowledge
>about lunar lighting conditions and surface albedo.
He hit that one RIGHT ON THE MONEY!
>Project Galileo- The most peculiar and fraudulent of them all, Cooper
>performs the only copyright infringement in the form of a conspiracy
>theory. He now states that he said nothing of it, although it was in
>his book. He basically says that Galileo will use plutonium and
>Jupiter's atmospheric pressure to create another Sun named Lucifer. Now
>I'll quote Arthur C. Clarke's book, 2010: Oddessy Two:
>
>"Fifty times more brilliant than the full Moon, Lucifer had transformed
>the skies of Earth, virtually banishing night for months at a time."
>
>Sound familiar?
The Tenets of the Babylon Mystery Schools are a LOT older than Arthur
Clarke or Bill Cooper...which is WHY the formation of a New World
Order does Indeed sound familiar. To wit:
Before us is a Plan in which is laid down STRATEGICALLY the
line from which we cannot deviate without running the risk
of seeing the Labour of *MANY CENTURIES* brought to naught.
--- The Illuminati
> For those of you who still belive Cooper, why don't you check out how
>he did on Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit (Self-explanatory)
Since WHEN was Sagan Ever a Patriot? For those who still DO NOT
believe Mr. Cooper, he, and myself Cordially invite you to take Mr.
Cooper's Constant Admonition Seriously to heart, that Admonition
being:
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless
you can prove it in your own research."
>There is no confirmation of "facts".
The Euphemism for Refusal to Accept such Confirmation.
>Occam's Razor will chop most of his theories apart.
It sure has with yours.
>Ad hominem- attacking the arguer and not the argument.
That's your Tactic.
>Well, Cooper does this a lot.
Nope.
>Inconsistency-
That's NOT cause to blame Mr. Cooper, but rather the Instability of an
OUTLAW De Facto Regime, which Mr. Cooper so regularly Exposes.
>All those 180 degree turns...
Very few of them. Obviously you're confusing Mr. Cooper with weather
forecasters, who Constantly make 180 degree turns. So WHEN are you
going to Single THEM out?
>Non Sequitur- The logic falls down.
The Euphemism for; CAN'T TOUCH IT, so Avoid it like the Plague!
>The logic is frequently weak.
The Euphemism for; Can't Refute it so Pretend it's invalid.
>Straw Man- Caricaturing a position to make it easier to attack.
The Euphemism for Analogy.
>Calls UFOlogists CIA disinformants.
Mindless CIA Robots, actually.
>Suppresed Evidence or Half-Truths
Evidence of the Truth has already been provided, much more than enough
to set the Independent Researcher in the Right Direction. Now, as for
those who insist on being Spoon-Fed that which by Right, they Should
Acquire for themselves getting angry because Mr. Cooper isn't into
doing that, or changing their POOPY-DIAPERS, THAT is HOW we've ALL but
Totally Lost this ONCE FREE Country in the first place!
>Quite frequent with Cooper.
Nope...quite the opposite, actually.
> Still blindly trusting Cooper?
Not at all! He's PROVEN his Integrity...NOW IT'S YOUR TURN, but I
won't hold my breath waiting!
>I have some odds and ends that
>discredit him very well.
Hey, knock yourself out...like so many others who tried, and FAILED
MISERABLY.
> Now that Cooper dosen't believe there are really aliens taking us,
>(which I don't believe either, but I don't go along with his new
>theories) he has leaked in many places. Here are two instances:
I've found them to be both logical, and in accordance with the
Observed m/o of the Enemy.
>1. He has called UFOlogists CIA agents trying to to cover up stuff like
>the O.H. Krill Papers, which he has accused John Lear of doing.
If you'd Dare to visit his site (http://williamcooper.com/) and take a
look at what John Dewey said about FABRICATING an 'extraterrestrial'
threat back in 1917 and what Ronald "Red Ronnie" Reagan, the Actor
Acting as president of the United States, had to say about it, there'd
be no reason to even bother with such obscure stories as you've
mentioned above.
>Now
>that Cooper says UFOs are artificial threats, but has not changed his
>mind on UFOlogists, wouldn't the UFOlogists be doing the opposite of
>what they're supposed to be doing?
No, they would NOT as uFOOLogists for the most part are Raving
Lunatics who Rabidly adhere to their FALSE Religion, a phenomenon I've
personally observed. They are Ideal Robots for the Enemy, which uses
them Precisely as such.
>2. In one of Cooper's speeches, he states that there were UFOs in the
>Vietnam War,
For gosh sakes, there were UFOs in Europe near the end of WWII, they
were known by conventional aircraft fighter pilots as "Foo
Fighters"...and I'll bet many believed that that name was only that of
a band!
>and EMPHATICALLY stated that they were alien controlled.
>Oops, he changed his mind!
He learned more and Because he has Integrity, REVISED his Previous
assessment, ya know, like a REVISED weather forecast.
> Cooper has claimed that John Lear is Condor from The Aviary, an
>alleged government group.
Where does he claim that?
>You see, Cooper listened to a tape with
>Condor's voice on it, and analyzed it proving it was Lear. In fact,
>Condor's voice was masked with a vocoder, which deletes all human
>qualities from voice.
So where's mention of this?
> How about the Zapruder film?
>
>Cooper's Claim: The film shows President Kennedy's limo driver, William
>Greer turn around and shoot Kennedy.
It sure looked that way, like the driver fired the FINAL shot, since
JFK was Masonically Executed in the tradition of "Hiram Abiff", in a
Masonic TEMPLE OF THE SUN, better known as Dealy Plaza.
>The Clear, Colorized Version Of The Zapruder Film: It shows Greer look
>back at Kennedy twice, one time involving a reflection of the Sun, thus
>making a reflection that looked, and only looked like a weapon.
But considering the circumstances and situation, one Must consider the
execution of Hiram Abiff. Not only that, but the Victors, those of the
New World Order, having Defeated JFK, their representation of the Old
World Order, as a final Insult, placed an 'eternal' reminder of their
Victory, an 'eternal flame', a Trademark of the Philosophers of Fire
of the New World Order, on his grave.
> And of course, two stories which Cooper uses to defend himself:
>
>1. Hooverites chased him off a cliff in their car while Cooper was on
>his motorcycle, and he lost his leg.
When did he ever claim that they were 'Hooverites'?
>Fact: Cooper was heavily inebriated, and cut off his own leg in his own
>intoxication, according to police and medical records.
You sure can dream 'em up! Anything for the Cause of Tyranny, right?
>2. Cooper sent his family away for their own protection, because the
>feds were attacking their house.
>
>Fact: Recently, the police have been investigating complaints about
>domestic violence in the Cooper residence. I think there is a
>correlation.
In that case, it would be known where they had moved to>
> If you still believe Cooper's claims, there's nothing I can do.
Yep, there's NOTHING you can do any longer. All you Change Agent LIARS
for the Enemy end up the same way, unable to Conceal the Truth any
longer, thanks to God, and Patriots such as Bill Cooper, who like
Patriots long ago, Pledged their Lives, their Fortunes, and their
Sacred Honor to the Worthy Cause of Freedom and Liberty.
>Just
>give me some good evidence for them. My e-mail address is
>cydo...@bored.com.
Why? Why not post it all here in Public, where it may be Readily seen
that it's simply NOT POSSIBLE?
>If you believe me, that's good.
Good ONLY for those Intent on the Destruction of this Country, but NOT
for those who Value Freedom and Liberty, the Principles upon which
this Nation was Founded!
>I urge you to
>spread word about this liar.
The Euphemism for Spreading Lies about this Patriot.
>Also e-mail Cooper about how he's wasting
>the Information Superhighway, please.
I wish you'd stop wasting it...as Patriots are entirely on to the
game. In other words, they can't be Fooled anymore, and That's the
Reality of the situation, the very best efforts of Damage
Control/Change Agents falling WAAAAAAAY short!
> Sincerely,
> D.E. Bunker
> (Pseudonym)
D.E. Ceiver would be a more appropriate pseudonym.
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ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
> Oh, it sure looks like Mr. Cooper has once again hit the Enemy HARD,
> right where it hurts most...'cause just look at the attempts at DAMAGE
> CONTROL...again:
>
Kookoo seriously anymore.
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:13:27 GMT, cydo...@my-deja.com posted:
>
> > Who is Milton William Cooper? He is one of the biggest liars of the
> >20th century.
>
> Claim of a LIAR right there.
>
Hyperbole certainly. And I think he's wrong, as I'm sure Cooper
believes the crap he spews.
> >He even beats Erich von Daniken.
>
> NO relationship whatsoever...more Cheap fodder for more Cheap Shots,
> the Enemy's Hallmark.
>
Yeah, Van Daniken is a simple con artist, not a complete and dangerous
nutter.
> >For those of you who
> >belive Cooper, let me ask you this. What hard evidence has he come up
> >with? None.
>
> Now the Tactic of the STACKED DECK, the ONLY way the Enemy Will Play
> because it's the ONLY WAY THE ENEMY CAN PLAY! What hard evidence?
> None...stacking the deck. For those of you who are NOT Change Agents,
> I suggest you read Bill Cooper's Excellent book, BEHOLD A PALE HORSE,
So your idea of excellent is reprinting the Russian antisemitic forgery
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and telling readers to replace Jews
with Illuminati? Sonny, you need to greatly improve your taste in
literature.
> and visit his Excellent website:
>
> http://williamcooper.com/
>
> They you may avail yourselves of the HARD EVIDENCE and Learn HOW FAR
> OFF BASE Professional LIARS, Damage Control, and Change Agents Really
> are.
>
Standard kook response: critics are always part of whatever plot the
kook rails against. I have no doubt that Cooper, or Freedom, or some
other of Cooper's few deluded supporters added to me to their list
of "government agents" a long time ago.
> >If you still don't believe me, see the good evidence I have
> >provided, unless you are a close-minded fool.
>
> Another Manipulation Tactic of the Enemy...DO THIS or DON'T DO THAT or
> you're a (fill in the Insulting and Disparaging term(s) here). DON'T
> FALL FOR IT!
>
Of course you should realise Bill, if that is you, that no one on
sci.skeptic is likely to take even 0.000000000000000000000001% of your
crap seriously.
> >(I'm not talking about
> >some people I have sent this paper to.)
> > There are several differences between Cooper and me.
>
> Now THAT IS True...Mr. Cooper is a Real American Patriot!
>
Funny, most of the "Real American Patriots" I'm familiar with didn't
believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories.
> >1. Cooper- Supports stories with loosely-based evidence and lies.
>
> That's the Euphemism for Direct Hits RIGHT ON Target.
>
To be on target you need an actual target in the first place, not
fantasies like Cooper's.
The thing I can never figure out about folks like Cooper, or his
supposed supporters, is how they can cry wolf over and over again
without seeing that their boogiemen aren't coming thru the door. I
have no doubt that should his physical and mental health hold up Kookoo
will be bemusing and confusing conspiracy fans 20 years from now.
tim gueguen 101867
Fre...@liberty.com
>In article <39f466a7...@news2.ripco.com>,
> Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>> Oh, it sure looks like Mr. Cooper has once again hit the Enemy HARD,
>> right where it hurts most...'cause just look at the attempts at DAMAGE
>> CONTROL...again:
>>
>That you Bill?
No, I'm not Bill Cooper, or Linda Thompson either. I'm another
Patriot.
>Really, I find it hard to imagine anyone takes ole Bill
>Kookoo seriously anymore.
Bill Cooper deals with some Very Serious matters. If he is to be
called names, then let them be Real American Patriot.
>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:13:27 GMT, cydo...@my-deja.com posted:
>>
>> > Who is Milton William Cooper? He is one of the biggest liars of the
>> >20th century.
>>
>> Claim of a LIAR right there.
>>
>Hyperbole certainly.
Only from the poster to whose message I responded.
>And I think he's wrong, as I'm sure Cooper
>believes the crap he spews.
Cooper 'spews' the Truth.
>> Now the Tactic of the STACKED DECK, the ONLY way the Enemy Will Play
>> because it's the ONLY WAY THE ENEMY CAN PLAY! What hard evidence?
>> None...stacking the deck. For those of you who are NOT Change Agents,
>> I suggest you read Bill Cooper's Excellent book, BEHOLD A PALE HORSE,
>So your idea of excellent is reprinting the Russian antisemitic forgery
>The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and telling readers to replace Jews
>with Illuminati?
Those Protocols are those of the Illuminati, Exactly as Bill Cooper
presents them in his book, and NOT of Jews. I've read all of them and
immediately noticed that the usage of such words as Jews, and Goyim
appears most awkward and simply did NOT fit the overall style of the
writings, as though they were actually substituted, EDITED in later as
an afterthought. Those are the ONLY forged parts. Furthermore, this
Tactic is nothing new. The Enemy Regularly Employs it when they want
to Divert danger away from themselves and towards the innocent. In
other words, the Enemy selects what amounts to Human Shields composed
of the innocent Victims, often Jews, many of whom have Tragically come
to Accept Victimhood as more or less a 'natural' part of their
heritage. This condition serves Tyrants very well as evidenced by
their constant Exploitation of it, such as by the ADL for instance.
>Sonny, you need to greatly improve your taste in
>literature.
No! That's how we got into this MESS...by trying to improve taste.
Reality often SUCKS, and the Truth is often Ugly...but ugly or not,
the Truth Must be told, that we Will Know it and that it Will set us
FREE! THAT is Bill Cooper's Mission, and that of Many Millions of
Patriots all across this Land.
>> and visit his Excellent website:
>>
>> http://williamcooper.com/
>>
>> They you may avail yourselves of the HARD EVIDENCE and Learn HOW FAR
>> OFF BASE Professional LIARS, Damage Control, and Change Agents Really
>> are.
>>
>Standard kook response: critics are always part of whatever plot the
>kook rails against.
But only a kook would Deny the Dangerous Loss of Freedom in this Once
Free Country...which Indeed IS something to rail against, and REPAIR!
>I have no doubt that Cooper, or Freedom, or some
>other of Cooper's few deluded supporters added to me to their list
>of "government agents" a long time ago.
Possible but not very likely. And keep this in mind, we're not the
ones you have to worry about slaughtering you and your loved ones in
your church, or on your Own Property, or kicking in your door in the
early morning hours, to throw your pregnant wife down the stairs,
causing her to miscarry, or stomping your pets to death, ransacking
the place, destroying, robbing, and Terrorizing. We're the ones who
Oppose such Vileness. To Fail to Discern that Fact is Tragic Indeed!
>Of course you should realise Bill, if that is you,
It's not. I'm a Different Patriot.
>that no one on
>sci.skeptic is likely to take even 0.000000000000000000000001% of your
>crap seriously.
Assuming that you speak for them, then I'd venture to say that in that
case, they're the ones with the problem...since ANYone can Choose to
be Worthless human Flotsam. But who would want to?
>> Now THAT IS True...Mr. Cooper is a Real American Patriot!
>>
>Funny, most of the "Real American Patriots" I'm familiar with didn't
>believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories.
None of the ones I know do either...although they do Understand,
because they've Researched and Studied the REAL Conspiracies, NOT
'theories'...and the only thing Truly Ridiculous is Denying their
existence.
>> >1. Cooper- Supports stories with loosely-based evidence and lies.
>>
>> That's the Euphemism for Direct Hits RIGHT ON Target.
>>
>To be on target you need an actual target in the first place, not
>fantasies like Cooper's.
The amount of 'flak' Confirms Multiple Direct Hits.
>The thing I can never figure out about folks like Cooper, or his
>supposed supporters, is how they can cry wolf over and over again
>without seeing that their boogiemen aren't coming thru the door.
They're NOT crying wolf. And the Object to sounding the Alarm is so
there's enough time to Prepare Before those JackBooted 'boogiemen' get
to the door!
>I
>have no doubt that should his physical and mental health hold up Kookoo
>will be bemusing and confusing conspiracy fans 20 years from now.
We don't have 20 years, the next several will be Critical. Bill Cooper
estimates 13 more years, while I say a maximum of around half of that,
5 to 6 more years TOPS. Either we Restore this Country within that
time, or we LOSE IT COMPLETELY.
ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 02:21:53 GMT, ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca posted:
>
> >In article <39f466a7...@news2.ripco.com>,
> > Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
> >> Oh, it sure looks like Mr. Cooper has once again hit the Enemy
HARD,
> >> right where it hurts most...'cause just look at the attempts at
DAMAGE
> >> CONTROL...again:
> >>
> >That you Bill?
>
> No, I'm not Bill Cooper, or Linda Thompson either. I'm another
> Patriot.
>
> >Really, I find it hard to imagine anyone takes ole Bill
> >Kookoo seriously anymore.
>
> Bill Cooper deals with some Very Serious matters. If he is to be
> called names, then let them be Real American Patriot.
>
Strange euphemism for delusional you favour.
> >> On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:13:27 GMT, cydo...@my-deja.com posted:
> >>
> >> > Who is Milton William Cooper? He is one of the biggest liars of
the
> >> >20th century.
> >>
> >> Claim of a LIAR right there.
> >>
> >Hyperbole certainly.
>
> Only from the poster to whose message I responded.
>
> >And I think he's wrong, as I'm sure Cooper
> >believes the crap he spews.
>
> Cooper 'spews' the Truth.
>
Cooper wouldn't know "the Truth" if God delivered to it to him chapter
and verse. He'd just claim the good ole Supreme Being was in on the
plot.
> >> Now the Tactic of the STACKED DECK, the ONLY way the Enemy Will
Play
> >> because it's the ONLY WAY THE ENEMY CAN PLAY! What hard evidence?
> >> None...stacking the deck. For those of you who are NOT Change
Agents,
> >> I suggest you read Bill Cooper's Excellent book, BEHOLD A PALE
HORSE,
> >So your idea of excellent is reprinting the Russian antisemitic
forgery
> >The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and telling readers to replace
Jews
> >with Illuminati?
>
> Those Protocols are those of the Illuminati, Exactly as Bill Cooper
> presents them in his book, and NOT of Jews. I've read all of them and
> immediately noticed that the usage of such words as Jews, and Goyim
> appears most awkward and simply did NOT fit the overall style of the
> writings, as though they were actually substituted, EDITED in later as
> an afterthought. Those are the ONLY forged parts.
You poor deluded fool. ALL of the Protocols are phony. The original
texts they are based on were written by a French satirist, Maurice
Joly, as criticism of the reign of Napoleon III, and had nothing to do
with Jews. When a German antisemite named Hermann Goedsche got his
nasty little mitts on them he mutated them into an antisemitic tract
that would eventually spawn the Protocols in Russia at the turn of the
century. See the following link for details.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?documents/protocols/protocols.zion
That Cooper ignores that they have long been proven a forgery should
tell you something about his ability to discern the truth about any
situation.
Garrison Hilliard
>
>In article [9]<39f466a7...@news2.ripco.com>,
> Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>> Oh, it sure looks like Mr. Cooper has once again hit the Enemy HARD,
>> right where it hurts most...'cause just look at the attempts at DAMAGE
>> CONTROL...again:
>>
>That you Bill? Really, I find it hard to imagine anyone takes ole Bill
>Kookoo seriously anymore.
It probably is ol' Uncle Miltie himself... Cooper used to post replies as
poopykitty@(someplace) back when the 'net was still a bit sparse in the
early 'nineties whenever he saw himself mentioned on the newsgroups, so I
think there's a good chance that he's still hanging around.
Fre...@liberty.com
>> >That you Bill?
>>
>> No, I'm not Bill Cooper, or Linda Thompson either. I'm another
>> Patriot.
>>
>Why mention Thompson?
Because I've often been mistaken for that Patriot as well.
>> >Really, I find it hard to imagine anyone takes ole Bill
>> >Kookoo seriously anymore.
>>
>> Bill Cooper deals with some Very Serious matters. If he is to be
>> called names, then let them be Real American Patriot.
>>
>Strange euphemism for delusional you favour.
Here's the Tactic you're Unsuccessfully attempting:
"The psychopolitician has the advantage of naming as a delusory
symptom any attempt on the part of a patient to expose commands."
--- CHAPTER XIII: The Recruiting of Psychopolitical Dupes
A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics
SOURCE: http://user.netonecom.net/~gwood/TLP/ref/brainwsh.htm
>> Cooper 'spews' the Truth.
>>
>Cooper wouldn't know "the Truth" if God delivered to it to him chapter
>and verse. He'd just claim the good ole Supreme Being was in on the
>plot.
He has NEVER made ANY semblance of such a claim. But here's some more
of your (and other would-be Detractors of Mr. Cooper)
Discredit/Defaming Strategy/Tactics:
From:
An Address By Beria
But should they (...remedies for our "treatments" may be discovered. -
...all mental healing might be placed in the hands of ministers and be
taken out of the hands of our psychologists and psychiatrists. )
occur, should independent researchers actually discover means to undo
psychopolitical procedures, you must not rest, you must not eat or
sleep, you must not stint one tiniest bit of available money to
campaign against it, discredit it, strike it down and render it void.
For by an effective means our actions and researches could be undone.
From:
CHAPTER VIII: Degradation, Shock, and Endurance
"Defamation is the best and foremost weapon of Psychopolitics on the
broad field."
From:
CHAPTER IX: The Organization of Mental Health Campaigns
These (...anyone actually proficient in the handling or treatment of
mental health.) must be defamed and excluded as "untrained,"
"unskillful," "quacks," or "perpetrators of hoaxes."
From:
CHAPTER XV: Proposals that Must be Avoided
"Death and violence against persons attacking communism in a nation
should be eschewed as forbidden. Violent activity against such persons
might bring about their martyrdom. Defamation and the accusation of
insanity alone should be employed, and they should be brought at last
under the ministrations of psychopolitical operatives, such as
psychiatrists and controlled psychologists."
--- A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics
SOURCE: http://user.netonecom.net/~gwood/TLP/ref/brainwsh.htm
>> >> Now the Tactic of the STACKED DECK, the ONLY way the Enemy Will
>Play
>> >> because it's the ONLY WAY THE ENEMY CAN PLAY! What hard evidence?
>> >> None...stacking the deck. For those of you who are NOT Change
>Agents,
>> >> I suggest you read Bill Cooper's Excellent book, BEHOLD A PALE
>HORSE,
>> >So your idea of excellent is reprinting the Russian antisemitic
>forgery
>> >The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and telling readers to replace
>Jews
>> >with Illuminati?
>>
>> Those Protocols are those of the Illuminati, Exactly as Bill Cooper
>> presents them in his book, and NOT of Jews. I've read all of them and
>> immediately noticed that the usage of such words as Jews, and Goyim
>> appears most awkward and simply did NOT fit the overall style of the
>> writings, as though they were actually substituted, EDITED in later as
>> an afterthought. Those are the ONLY forged parts.
>
>You poor deluded fool.
You poor Unsuccessful Psychopolitical Agent wannabe. See the excerpts
from A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics above.
>ALL of the Protocols are phony. The original
>texts they are based on were written by a French satirist, Maurice
>Joly, as criticism of the reign of Napoleon III, and had nothing to do
>with Jews.
While it's True that they Indeed had NOTHING to do with Jews, their
content, REGARDLESS of ANY disparaging explanations, is nonetheless
Accurate, describing in detail, the very situation under which we
Languish today.
>When a German antisemite named Hermann Goedsche got his
>nasty little mitts on them he mutated them into an antisemitic tract
>that would eventually spawn the Protocols in Russia at the turn of the
>century. See the following link for details.
Semitism or antisemitism has NOTHING to do with the Protocols'
descriptions of Strategies and Tactics therein being in Fact,
Irrefutably Accurate.
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?documents/protocols/protocols.zion
That site Defames the American Militia, which Identifies and Exposes
them as PHONIES and SCUMBAGS.
>That Cooper ignores that they have long been proven a forgery should
>tell you something about his ability to discern the truth about any
>situation.
The Truth of the matter is that the Protocols are nonetheless
Accurate, ANY attempt to discredit that accuracy notwithstanding.
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Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>It probably is ol' Uncle Miltie himself...
No, it's NOT. It's a Different Patriot. "Uncle Miltie"? I've never
heard that one before.
>Cooper used to post replies as
>poopykitty@(someplace)
That's not his style.
>back when the 'net was still a bit sparse in the
>early 'nineties whenever he saw himself mentioned on the newsgroups, so I
>think there's a good chance that he's still hanging around.
As I recall, the last time he posted, he used his real name.
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Tandalayo Scheisskopf
On 24 Oct 2000, Garrison Hilliard posted this in alt.conspiracy,
>It probably is ol' Uncle Miltie himself... Cooper used to post replies as
>poopykitty@(someplace) back when the 'net was still a bit sparse in the
>early 'nineties whenever he saw himself mentioned on the newsgroups, so I
>think there's a good chance that he's still hanging around.
He posts ever-so-divertingly, especially after a few cocktails.
C'mon Lochner! I know yer' out there! SURELY you must have a few of Uncle
Miltie's pithier posts from FidoNet in some dusty corner of your hard
drive! If not you, then S...*ahem* Lou Minatti(tm).
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> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:12:37 GMT, ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca posted:
>
> >> >That you Bill?
> >>
> >> No, I'm not Bill Cooper, or Linda Thompson either. I'm another
> >> Patriot.
> >>
> >Why mention Thompson?
>
> Because I've often been mistaken for that Patriot as well.
>
Exactly why do they mistake you for Ms. Thompson? Is it the high heels?
Terry Smith
<Fre...@Liberty.com> wrote in message
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> Patriot.
You surely are - Still, as processors get faster, Moore's Law indicates that
one of you will hit a target *one* day.
Consider yourself fired.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>> >Why mention Thompson?
>>
>> Because I've often been mistaken for that Patriot as well.
>>
>
>Exactly why do they mistake you for Ms. Thompson? Is it the high heels?
Last picture I've seen of her, she was wearing combat boots and a
cammo BDU.
Dominion
>"The psychopolitician has the advantage of naming as a delusory
>symptom any attempt on the part of a patient to expose commands."
> --- CHAPTER XIII: The Recruiting of Psychopolitical Dupes
> A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics
> SOURCE: http://user.netonecom.net/~gwood/TLP/ref/brainwsh.htm
Hehehehehee! This is NOT a textbook on Psychopolitics, but a book
written by none other than L. Ron. Hubbard. I should probably run this
by alt.religion.scientology for more of an explanation, but I can
assure you that this book has nothing to do with Russia nor was it
written by Beria. This is a very thin attempt to link the science of
psychology with brainwashing.
It is nonsense, and relying on a quote to back your position is a bit
like your reliance on the Protocol. As such I expect this to fall on
deaf ears.
---
Dominion
Debate. Create. Participate.
The Skeptical_Wiki
http://www.wikiweb.com/~Skeptical_Wiki
Dubitando ad veritatem venimus.
By doubting we come to the truth
Fre...@liberty.com
(Dominion) posted:
>On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:37:54 GMT, Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>
>>"The psychopolitician has the advantage of naming as a delusory
>>symptom any attempt on the part of a patient to expose commands."
>> --- CHAPTER XIII: The Recruiting of Psychopolitical Dupes
>> A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics
>> SOURCE: http://user.netonecom.net/~gwood/TLP/ref/brainwsh.htm
>
>Hehehehehee! This is NOT a textbook on Psychopolitics, but a book
>written by none other than L. Ron. Hubbard.
It's not even his style for one thing.
>I should probably run this
>by alt.religion.scientology for more of an explanation, but I can
>assure you that this book has nothing to do with Russia nor was it
>written by Beria.
An Address By Beria is not the entire work.
>This is a very thin attempt to link the science of
>psychology with brainwashing.
Psychology as Practiced is NOT science at all, it's a collection of
Manipulation Tactics Disguised as science to further their Effect and
Progress against unsuspecting Victims, that they may be thoroughly
SUBJUGATED by their Manipulators. This much is clearly obvious upon
observation and not at all dependent on the works of L. Ron Hubbard or
anyone else in order to be Exposed for what they Truly are.
Actually, some of the most Profound and eloquent descriptions of the
Machinations of this Vile Racket as well as specific Details of the
Tactics and Theory are presented by none other than George Orwell, or
am I next to hear that 1984 was written by scientologists too?
>It is nonsense, and relying on a quote to back your position is a bit
>like your reliance on the Protocol.
My Independent observations and research and that of other Patriots
was only Further Confirmed by the book...upon which we do not rely as
our observations and research are sufficient to establish validity.
>As such I expect this to fall on
>deaf ears.
And no doubt upon DUMB and BLIND in addition to DEAF, but I made the
attempt anyway, it's all I could do.
The book (A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics) can
also be located by its number:
ISBN: 0-933900-16-3
Scott Craver
>
>Psychology as Practiced is NOT science at all, it's a collection of
>Manipulation Tactics Disguised as science to further their Effect and
>Progress against unsuspecting Victims, that they may be thoroughly
>SUBJUGATED by their Manipulators.
Small nitpick, but you don't seem to be correctly
distinguishing psychology from psychiatry.
-S
Dominion
>On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:06:05 GMT, dominion@take_this_out.pdq.net
>(Dominion) posted:
>
>>On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:37:54 GMT, Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>>
>>>"The psychopolitician has the advantage of naming as a delusory
>>>symptom any attempt on the part of a patient to expose commands."
>>> --- CHAPTER XIII: The Recruiting of Psychopolitical Dupes
>>> A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics
>>> SOURCE: http://user.netonecom.net/~gwood/TLP/ref/brainwsh.htm
>>
>>Hehehehehee! This is NOT a textbook on Psychopolitics, but a book
>>written by none other than L. Ron. Hubbard.
>
>It's not even his style for one thing.
Ok I have added alt.religion.scientology. I am sure that there are
others that will be able to confirm this along with me.
In fact, this is exactly his style. You can check out the book "L.Ron
Hubbard: Messiah or Madman".
>>I should probably run this
>>by alt.religion.scientology for more of an explanation, but I can
>>assure you that this book has nothing to do with Russia nor was it
>>written by Beria.
>
>An Address By Beria is not the entire work.
The entire work was written by L. Ron Hubbard.
>>This is a very thin attempt to link the science of
>>psychology with brainwashing.
>
>Psychology as Practiced is NOT science at all, it's a collection of
>Manipulation Tactics Disguised as science to further their Effect and
>Progress against unsuspecting Victims, that they may be thoroughly
>SUBJUGATED by their Manipulators. This much is clearly obvious upon
>observation and not at all dependent on the works of L. Ron Hubbard or
>anyone else in order to be Exposed for what they Truly are.
>
>Actually, some of the most Profound and eloquent descriptions of the
>Machinations of this Vile Racket as well as specific Details of the
>Tactics and Theory are presented by none other than George Orwell, or
>am I next to hear that 1984 was written by scientologists too?
As I suspected, this fell on deaf ears.
It seems that you care not where your information comes from, as long
as it agrees with your carefully preconceived notions. Which is fine,
as far as it goes. Just don't expect to impress anyone.
<snip>
Digital_Revenge
100-letter nonsense, but I noticed the word brainwashing. Brainwashing has
actually very much to do with psycology. Look for texts about brainwashing
on some *illegal* sites on the net. That might help you on the right track.
Dig.
Dominion <dominion@take_this_out.pdq.net> wrote in message
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Warrior
>>
>>>"The psychopolitician has the advantage of naming as a delusory
>>>symptom any attempt on the part of a patient to expose commands."
>>> --- CHAPTER XIII: The Recruiting of Psychopolitical Dupes
>>> A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics
>>> SOURCE: http://user.netonecom.net/~gwood/TLP/ref/brainwsh.htm
>On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:06:05 GMT, domi...@pdq.net (Dominion) posted:
>>
>>Hehehehehee! This is NOT a textbook on Psychopolitics, but a book
>>written by none other than L. Ron. Hubbard.
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:10:44 GMT, Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
>
>It's not even his style for one thing.
You are quite wrong about the booklet not being L Ron Hubbard's
style. As one who has studied Hubbard's writings and spoken
words for over a quarter of a century, including 14 years as
a member of Scientology, I can assure you that Hubbard did in
fact author the booklet. It has his style written all over it.
While a member of Scientology, I worked for the printing company
(Optimum Press, 607 Parkview Avenue, Los Angeles, owned by Scien-
tologist Bob Mills) who printed Hubbard's booklet for Scientology's
American Saint Hill Organization (of which I was a staff member
between October 1975 and September 1983).
I would also direct you to the book _L Ron Hubbard: Messiah or
Madman?_, in which L Ron Hubbard's son (L Ron Hubbard, Jr., aka
Ron DeWolf) is on record as saying that his father authored the
booklet.
Warrior
See my articles at: http://warrior.offlines.org/
Fre...@liberty.com
Craver) posted:
They're ALL Psy-FRAUD as Practiced, Psychology, Psychiatry, and
Psychoanalysis.
Fre...@liberty.com
>You are quite wrong about the booklet not being L Ron Hubbard's
>style. As one who has studied Hubbard's writings and spoken
>words for over a quarter of a century, including 14 years as
>a member of Scientology, I can assure you that Hubbard did in
>fact author the booklet. It has his style written all over it.
Just because the Pseudoscience FRAUD of
Psychology/Psychiatry/Psychoanalysis as Practiced, is exposed does not
automatically mean that scientology has something to do with it. There
are others who know what this PSY-manipulation is about and don't like
it either.