COMMON SENSE CONCERNING THE JFK ASSASSINATION
David Von Pein
The blog linked below contains hundreds of common-sense and fact-based
quotes relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
I'll be updating and expanding this cool blog on a regular basis. So
if anyone here (or elsewhere) says something that I deem worthy of
inclusion in my "Quoting Common Sense" blog, I'll be adding it to this
blog page.
Enjoy (I know I certainly enjoyed compiling these gems):
Gil Jesus
David Von Pein
>>> "Excellent work!!!" <<<
Thanks, Chuck.
And I didn't leave you out either, Chuck. Your famous quote is
included in my blog. Along with several entries from Bud, including
this one (which belongs in the "Quote Hall-of-Fame"):
"The assassins choose bullets that inflict non-lethal, 1-inch-
deep wounds? Instead of feeding JFK to lions, they decided to nibble
him to death by ducks?" -- Bud; April 1, 2006
Gil Jesus
> Common sense = opinion + no evidence
EXAMPLES OF VON PEIN'S "COMMON SENSE" FOR WHICH THERE IS NO EVIDENCE:
TROY WEST WAS IN THE BATHROOM WHEN OSWALD "SWIPED" THE TAPE AND PAPER
FOR THE "GUN SACK"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/52e69edf4a893d6d
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OSWALD SHOT JFK IN HIS T-SHIRT AND USED HIS "BROWN SHIRT" TO WIPE THE
FINGERPRINTS OFF THE RIFLE
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/52e69edf4a893d6d
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RFK ORDERED JFK'S BRAIN AND TISSUE SAMPLES TO BE DESTROYED IN APRIL
1965
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/6b5c4f78540f883d
David Von Pein
I'm glad to see that Gil likes to track some of my common-sense-laden
posts. Thanks for the replay on those, Gil.
Each one of those three items above makes perfect (common) sense too.
But, being deprived of all CS&L as a youngster, Gilbert wouldn't
recognize common sense if it knocked on the front door of his double-
wide and introduced itself.
tomnln
"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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David Von Pein
"I was very honored when I was told that the 'old-timers' at
W.W. Norton were saying that they were more proud of "Reclaiming
History" than any other book that they had published in the history of
that publishing house." -- Vincent Bugliosi; November 4, 2007
David Von Pein
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/d7d94c666c223f23
>>> "Nice presentation, David. I think it suffered from my [Bud's] inclusion, though." <<<
Not a chance. Your quotes are gold-plated.
I always look forward to reading your common-sense thoughts. And I
hope to be adding still more Bud-isms to my Quotes Blog in the future.
BTW, I've expanded my blog page already since first launching it. I've
added quotes from the likes of William Manchester, Jim Moore, Richard
Trask, Bob Huffaker, and Dale Myers.
com...@webtv.net
were actually planted by russian agents..and many idiots fell for their
lies.
" Book of DANIEL Chapter 12; Verse 1 "
David Von Pein
>>> "My 'man in a building shot a man in a car' line is a riff on a line David Lifton reportedly used in exasperation to an Oswald Alone thinker." <<<
Oh, is it really? I didn't know that.
I was thinking about including the following retarded quote from
Robert J. Groden in my Quotes Blog too (as an example of the topsy-
turvy thinking of conspiracy kooks), but I decided I didn't want to
pollute my blog page with it. But it's still hilarious...thirty years
after this idiocy escaped Mr. Groden's lips:
"As yet I have not seen one piece of evidence in 16 years to
show that Oswald was even remotely involved in the murder except as a
patsy." -- Robert J. Groden; 1979
BTW, speaking of Groden, I'll just advise people here that he said on
Black Op Radio on July 23, 2009 [www.blackopradio.com/black433a.ram],
that his new book, "JFK: Absolute Proof", will probably be released in
the fall (in October possibly), and it will include a lot of "new
material" (per RJG) and approximately 900 photographs.
I'll probably purchase that book....for the photos only (of course).
Groden says there will be some previously-unseen pictures of Oswald in
his dying moments at Parkland too.
And Groden also said on the 7/23/09 Black Op broadcast that -- get
this -- he's unearthed a brand-new witness who can prove Oswald's
innocence. Evidently this "new witness" (who we apparently never heard
a peep out of for 45 years) was WITH Lee Harvey Oswald inside the Book
Depository Building when they each heard the gunfire.
Per Groden, Oswald and the brand-new bombshell witness looked at each
other after hearing the gunshots and said "What was that?"
~LOL break~
So, evidently (per Robert Groden) Lee Oswald had an IRONCLAD ALIBI in
the form of this "new" witness....but Oswald decided NOT TO USE THIS
PERFECT ALIBI. He never said a word about it.
Instead, Lee Harvey decides he'll take the rap for the President's
murder all by himself....even though he wasn't anywhere near the sixth
floor at 12:30 (per Kook Groden).
~Another LOL needed here~
But, I'll predict that many conspiracy kooks will lap up Groden's "new
witness" as fast as you can say "Grassy Knoll".
In other words -- There's a Bob Groden born every minute.
David Von Pein
"I do think for the historical record it's important that people
understand that Lee [Oswald] was a very ordinary person -- that people
can kill a President without that being something that shows on them
in advance." -- Ruth Paine; "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald"; July 1986
www.YouTube.com/watch?v=GIR1ExW1NWU
www.RapidShare.com/files/235894737/TESTIMONY_OF_RUTH_PAINE_AT_1986_TELEVISION_DOCU-TRIAL.wmv
Walt
How do you know that he never said .."Joe and I were in the lunchroom
when we heard what sounded like a firecracker..We looked at each other
and said..What was that??"
We have only the cops words for what oswald said during the time he
was in their custody.....And there is a mountain of evidence that
shows they aren't to believed because they lied and created false
information to frame Oswald.
David Von Pein
Everybody gather 'round....I have something to show you.....
A kook's imagination in overdrive:
===========================
"We have only the cops words for what [O]swald said during the
time he was in their custody.....And there is a mountain of evidence
that shows they aren't to [be] believed because they lied and created
false information to frame Oswald." -- Walter Cakebread; 07/26/09
===========================
David Von Pein
BONUS QUOTE:
"Bottom line fact still is today what it was in 1963 --- CE399
was determined by BOTH major Government inquiries (the Warren
Commission and the HSCA) to have been the "SBT" bullet which went
through both John Kennedy and John Connally on November 22, 1963.
"That is a fact of historical record. If conspiracists don't
like that historical fact, maybe they should go about the awesome task
of proving that the Warren Commission's and the House Select
Committee's IDENTICAL DETERMINATIONS REGARDING CE399 are pure fiction.
To date, such proof from the "planted/switched" camp has yet to
surface." -- David Von Pein; January 11, 2008
Walt
> BONUS QUOTE:
>
> "Bottom line fact still is today what it was in 1963 --- CE399
> was determined by BOTH major Government inquiries (the Warren
> Commission and the HSCA) to have been the "SBT" bullet which went
> through both John Kennedy and John Connally on November 22, 1963.
You're a damned liar..... They SPECULATED that CE 399 was a "magic
bullet" ( a term that has entered out language, with a meaning that
implies something impossible) Nobody ever PROVED that CE 399
performed as the government theorized.
David Von Pein
It's nice to see Walt skewing the known facts (as always).
Walt now wants to deny that both the WC and the HSCA concluded that
CE399 was the "SBT" bullet that wounded both JFK & JBC.
Right, Walt?
David Von Pein
"In the balmy and unhinged conspiracy universe, no evidence of
guilt is stronger against someone than that he isn't Lee Harvey
Oswald." -- Vincent Bugliosi
David Von Pein
"The conspiracy-happy Mega-Kooks of this world will choose ANY
silly option to account for JFK's and John Connally's wounds, just so
long as they don't ever have to face the Occam's-like solution called
the "SBT".
"The kooks would rather starve themselves to skeletons and sleep
on the benches in Dealey Plaza for the rest of their days before
admitting that the SBT is the correct shooting scenario.
"No matter how stupid and retarded their theory might be, it's
never TOO stupid or retarded for the anti-SBT Mega-Kooks of planet
Earth. ....
"This, of course, is similar in nature to the "Anybody But
Oswald" disease that many conspiracists suffer from. As long as Lee
Harvey Oswald can escape with his skirts tidy and clean, then the
kooks are happy." -- David Von Pein; December 7, 2007
David Von Pein
"To kooks, all the Dallas Police are suspects in the conspiracy
also. The world vs. the patsy." -- "Bud" (a very astute Internet
newsgroup participant); April 27, 2006
David Von Pein
"Per the disjointed theories they espouse, [many] conspiracy
theorists have no choice but to believe on faith that an incredible
"like-mindedness" existed between the "plotters" who were running
around setting the trap for Oswald many days, weeks, and months before
11/22/63....and the police, Warren Commission, etc.
"Yes, coincidences can, and do, occur in life. But isn't the
following coincidence a little bit too spectacular and improbable even
for most CTers? ---
"The police (et al) wanted to frame the same INNOCENT man after
the assassination that a different group of henchmen/plotters were
trying to frame many days/weeks/months BEFORE the assassination. ....
"It's especially idiotic to think that the Dallas Police
Department would have had the SLIGHTEST desire to frame Oswald for the
slaying of a fellow police officer (which, laughably, is a frame-up
theory that is accepted as a fact by many conspiracy kooks)." -- David
Von Pein; January 17, 2008
David Von Pein
"In the final analysis, the validity of the HSCA's acoustic
evidence collapses under the weight of its own requirements. The HSCA
presented no photographic or testimonial evidence that any police
motorcycle with an open microphone was at the point on Houston Street
where such a motorcycle would have had to be at the time of the
assassination for its hypothesis to be possible.
"More importantly, the very police Dictabelt recording that the
HSCA relied on to conclude that a second gunman fired at the president
proves beyond all doubt that the impulse sounds committee members
thought were gunfire were recorded at least one minute after Oswald
shot Kennedy in the head.
"In addition, common sense tells us the fourth-shot acoustic
evidence must be wrong since it is completely incompatible with the
overwhelming evidence in this case that only three shots were fired in
Dealey Plaza, and those three shots came from the sniper's nest.
"That, of course, is not what conspiracy theorists would have
you believe. In the best of worlds, they would prefer that the
question of conspiracy remain open. How else can they continue the
charade that more than one gunman murdered the president?" -- Vincent
Bugliosi; Page 217 of "Reclaiming History" (Endnotes)
David Von Pein
"The only "conspiracy plot" that's even remotely possible (given
the evidence) is one that has Lee Harvey Oswald as a lone gunman in
Dealey Plaza (and on Tenth Street for Tippit's murder) and an unseen,
non-shooting "plotter(s)" that we currently have no knowledge of. ....
"But even that kind of smaller "Oswald And One Other Guy Who
Never Fired A Shot" conspiracy scenario is very unlikely, given the
type of person Lee Oswald was. He was very much a loner. He shot at
General Walker by himself, with no outside conspirators aiding him.
And he very likely did the same on November 22nd, 1963.
"Plus: If Oswald had had help from a friend, then where the heck
was this "friend" when Lee Harvey needed him the most -- at 12:33 PM
on 11/22/63 when Oswald was leaving the Book Depository after having
just shot the President?
"In that type of hypothetical smaller "plot", are we to believe
that the "other plotter(s)" just simply got cold feet and abandoned
their pal named Lee when the big moment arrived on November 22nd?
"That's possible, I suppose, but I'd rather stick with the
facts. And those facts (including Oswald's own post-assassination
actions, which reek with guilt) undeniably spell out "OSWALD'S ON HIS
OWN"." -- David Von Pein; November 16, 2007
David Von Pein
"The conspiracy alterationists are so incredibly zany that they
have now gone beyond their allegation that key frames of the Zapruder
film were altered by the conspirators to support their false story of
what took place, to claiming that the conspirators altered all manner
of people and objects in Dealey Plaza that couldn't possibly have any
bearing on the president's murder. ....
"The alterationists have even claimed that at some point after
the assassination, all the curbside lampposts in Dealey Plaza were
moved to different locations and/or replaced with poles of different
height. ....
"I know that conspiracy theorists have a sweet tooth for
silliness, but is there absolutely nothing that is too silly for their
palate?" -- Vincent Bugliosi; Pages 506-507 of "Reclaiming History"
aeffects
<snip the utter nutter-troll nonsense>
my goodness troll, you're spending a lot of time talking to your alter
ego, David. Are you feeling okay? Has Rosemary rejected you again.....
perhaps daBugliosi hasn't sent the stipend check yet, eh? Must be
tough knowing Dale *spunky* Myers makes all that cash writing for
daBug, ya think he's getting a gig with Tom Hanks and HBO?
David Von Pein
"Our Warren Commission Report will stand the test of the final
verdict of the jury of world opinion because it is basically accurate
and because there are more than 6,500 footnotes in our 888-page
Report, which are grounded in the 26 volumes of testimony and
exhibits." -- David Belin; Page 159 of "November 22, 1963: You Are The
Jury"
aeffects
ROTFLMAO! ! ! ! Carry on shithead!
David Von Pein
"Even if we were to make the assumption that Lee Oswald WAS
acquainted with the various "New Orleans" characters that many
conspiracy theorists think LHO was acquainted with in the summer of
1963 (e.g., Clay Shaw, David Ferrie, and Guy Banister).....that would
still be a million miles away from proving that ANY of those New
Orleans characters had ANY INVOLVEMENT, IN ANY WAY, WITH THE
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY IN DALLAS ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963.
"And the reason the above paragraph is the truth is because
(once Perry Russo's lie is tossed aside, as it must be) there isn't a
shred of evidence that CONNECTS any of those New Orleans individuals
to the planning and/or carrying out of the murder of John F. Kennedy
in Dallas, Texas. No evidence whatsoever.
"Everything Lee Harvey Oswald did on 11/21/63 and 11/22/63
indicates that he was a LONE ASSASSIN in Dallas. And that fact would
still be true even IF Oswald had been pals with ALL of the three
previously-named New Orleans-based people (Shaw, Ferrie, and
Banister).
"In other words -- Where is the BRIDGE and/or UMBILICAL CORD
that allows conspiracy theorists to make the grand leap from this:
"LEE HARVEY OSWALD KNEW CLAY SHAW, DAVID FERRIE, AND GUY
BANISTER....
"....to this:
"SHAW, FERRIE, AND BANISTER WERE CO-CONSPIRATORS IN THE
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY?
"Given the physical and circumstantial evidence that exists of
ONLY OSWALD'S GUILT in the assassination of JFK, such a monumental
leap of faith like the one suggested above is, to put it bluntly,
monumentally ridiculous." -- David Von Pein; July 31, 2009
David Von Pein
"Any assassins who would have needed only Oswald fingered for
the two murders on 11/22/63 must have all (to a man!) been under the
influence of large quantities of hallucinogenic drugs when they
decided to place a variety of different shooters throughout Dealey
Plaza (and on 10th Street for Tippit's killing), as many CTers
advocate.
"And these powerful drugs they must have been on I guess must
have had a crazy type of "Miracles Are Possible" effect on all of the
shooters and behind-the-scenes schemers -- because only a "miracle"
could have rescued such an inane multi-shooter "Patsy" plan from
certain failure on that 22nd day of November back in '63." -- David
Von Pein; April 7, 2006
aeffects
<snip the nutter-troll loon and he/she/its rantings>
no advertising shithead.....
David Von Pein
"We already knew that ["Harvey And Lee" author John] Armstrong
threw out logic and reason long ago with respect to his [double
Oswald] fairy tale, but at least he had his insanity to fall back on.
"The fairy tale loses even its “internal logic” insanity when he
asserts that the CIA got someone to impersonate Marguerite [Oswald]
who looked nothing like her. How much longer do we have to wait for
Armstrong to inform us that it was a Kennedy imposter who was
assassinated?
"For those conspiracy theorists who feel I haven’t “done
justice” to Armstrong by not mentioning every matter, issue, or
witness Armstrong cited in his nearly one-thousand-page book--to do so
would almost take a book in itself--if justice is giving something its
due, the only justice for Armstrong’s book is to put it in a trash
can.
"Every word I wrote about this freaky book is one more word than
Armstrong and his theory deserve. Here’s a book that at worst doesn’t
deserve First Amendment protections (I’m being facetious) and at best
is merely fun and games.
"And yet, Walt Brown, a serious student of the assassination,
while noting a few of the book’s absurdities, gives it a positive
review in his publication, JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly, saying it is
“required reading.”
"When someone of Brown’s stature in the conspiracy community
tells his readers to go out and “get the book and set
aside...everything you previously read about what happened in Dealey
Plaza on November 22, 1963” (JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly, April 2004,
pp.3–10), he is doing nothing more than encouraging other Armstrongs
to go off on similar delirious odysseys into the twilight zone." --
Vincent Bugliosi; Page 578 of "Reclaiming History" (Endnotes)
David Von Pein
www.JFKAssassinationForum.com/index.php/topic,880.0.html
>>> "If you folks have not yet read any of the numerous sites run and maintained by David [Von Pein], you should do so. Whether LN or CT, these sites provide more great information than any other area of the internet. I personally enjoy his video tributes to JFK and their historical significance. David has obviously devoted a tremendous amount of time and effort into this research. .... Any quality JFK researcher, whether LN or CT would be doing themselves a disservice by not taking advantage of the material available. .... Kudos to David." <<<
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>>> "I enjoy reading his posts. Very thought-provoking and very interesting. Way to go, David. Keep up the great job." <<<
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>>> "Come on Christoph! I'm sure he [DVP] is a decent person and all that, but he's obviously a "My country right or wrong", "CTs are all kooks" (kooks being his word, not mine) kind of a man. I wonder how much of the information he has available to us all, tends to show the case for conspiracy and or Lee's innocence?" <<<
DVP THEN SAID:
Could you please elaborate more on the above comment/question, Mr.
Kane. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Are you implying that I am somehow privy to more information regarding
the JFK case than you are (or anyone else here)?
>>> "Please, call me William. I believe that you will tend to be biased towards the official line on your site. I'm not saying that you're hiding anything, but I do believe that anything short of a Polaroid showing Lee eating his lunch, next to a great big clock showing 12.30pm, will be deemed as rubbish by you." <<<
DVP:
I'm always heartily amused when I'm accused of spreading
"disinformation" about JFK's assassination. Each time I hear that
silly charge, I wonder how it's possible to turn the ACTUAL EVIDENCE
in TWO murder cases (JFK's and Tippit's) into "DISinformation"?
It's like accusing me of spreading disinformation when I say that the
grass is green and that water is wet.
In truth, the only people who spread "disinformation" about the JFK
case are conspiracists. (Just check out pages 20-40 of Bob Groden's
"The Killing Of A President" for ample proof of this. And that's just
one example, among innumerable others.)
And, similarly, the ONLY people who possess any kind of a "magic
bullet" are the conspiracy theorists. In fact, they've got three or
four of those. They've got Kennedy and Connally being hit by at least
three disappearing "magic" bullets that amazingly produced wounds in
TWO different victims that mirrored a very good SINGLE-bullet
scenario.
Those three (or four) bullets that exist in the imaginations of
conspiracists weren't only "magic"....they were downright PRESCIENT
too.
David Von Pein
"[David S. Lifton's] book ["Best Evidence"] is a conspiracist's
attempt to literally rewrite the history of John F. Kennedy's tragic
death by taking the most important piece of physical evidence in the
entire case -- President Kennedy's own body -- and postulating a
conspiratorial cover-up scenario so full of implausibilities,
complexities, roadblocks, and complications that even with God's own
help from the heavens above, the plot theorized here would have still
been an iffy proposition....at best.
"In short, anybody who would accept as true the nonsensical
theory of JFK's body being stolen off of Air Force One by evil
plotters should check themselves into the nearest insane asylum and
seek immediate treatment for "Conspiracy Theory Overdose"." -- David
Von Pein; January 2006/March 2006
David Von Pein
The latest top-notch quotes added to my ever-expanding "QUOTING COMMON
SENSE" blog:
"Buff assumptions don't control history. .... Do you [a
conspiracy theorist named Robert Harris] think you have the right to
treat anybody you merely SUSPECT as a criminal, in the absence of
evidence?" -- John McAdams; August 23, 2009
aeffects
<nada as usual>
no advertising shithead.... that includes quoting yourself....
sheeesh, what a flucking idiot...
David Von Pein
"What a sickening irony it is that this man who came through so
much should die at the hands of a man worth so little." -- Alex
Dreier; ABC News; November 22, 1963
aeffects
Davey-me-boyo... your disinfo bent needs a bit of spring in it....
LMFAO..... do they pay you to be this fucking stupid? I certainly hope
so!
David Von Pein
"If the conspiracy to kill Kennedy was as obvious as conspiracy
theorists want us to believe, how then could the Warren Commission
members have had any confidence that the conspiracy’s existence would
not have surfaced in the future?
"Moreover, if we adopt the cover-up theory, did all seven
Commission members, on their own, decide to suppress the truth? Or was
there a ringleader or architect of the cover-up, like Warren?
"If the latter, how was he able to get the other six members
(and, necessarily, a significant number of the Commission’s assistant
counsels and staff) to go along with his nefarious scheme? Indeed, not
knowing what their response might be, wouldn’t he have been deathly
afraid to even approach them with such a monumentally base and
criminal proposal? The whole notion is too ridiculous to even
contemplate.
"Adding a touch of humor to it all, as Commission member Gerald
Ford said, “The thought that Earl Warren and I would conspire on
anything is preposterous”." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Pages xix-xx of
"Reclaiming History"
www.Quoting-Common-Sense.blogspot.com (with a touch of hilarity added
to the mix occasionally, like above)
aeffects
> to the mix occasionally, like above)
you're sounding like a whining old man, you should be ashamed.... Lone
nutter-trolls rise to the occasion, DVP needs to be ousted as Supreme-
O Nutter-O Troll-O....
times a-wasting trolls.....
David Von Pein
QUOTE OF THE DAY:
"Not one scrap of evidence has ever emerged that on February 24
[1967], the day [Jim] Garrison announced that he and his staff had
"solved the case," he had any evidence connecting anyone, in any way,
with the assassination.
"If there were nothing else at all, this alone, by definition,
would be enough to prove beyond all doubt that Garrison had no
personal credibility with respect to this case." -- Vincent Bugliosi;
Page 1365 of "Reclaiming History"
tomnln
Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former FBI.
Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former District Attorney of a
Major U S City.
So, You "KNOW" that there are people in High Places who can NOT be Trusted !
! !
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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David Von Pein
"Newsweek magazine reported that "some of [Jim Garrison's] staff
became alarmed about his behavior. He would call meetings, then
disappear into the men's room for awhile, emerge with a new theory and
send aides to try to prove it."
"Garrison found no problems with this reverse methodology.
Charles Ward, who later became a judge on the Louisiana State Court of
Appeals, was Garrison's chief assistant in the DA's office at the time
and helped out in the [Clay] Shaw case. He told the New Orleans Times-
Picayune in 1983 that "most of the time you marshal the facts, then
deduce your theories. But Garrison would deduce a theory, then marshal
his facts. And if the facts didn't fit, he'd say they had been altered
by the CIA."" -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 1368 of "Reclaiming History"
lazu...@webtv.net
all the shots...there would be no way in hell to know there wasn't a
conspiracy, and that oswald wasn't acting under the suggestions, or
supervision of at least one of his CIA cohorts-DeMohrenschildt,
Ferrie,Phillips, Bannister and Shaw...just imagine what it must have
been like in the spring, summer and early fall of '63 with alcoholic JFK
haters Phillips,Bannister and pathological far right wing nut cases
Ferrie and Shaw conversing with Oswald and others......
David Von Pein
"One may wonder why [Jim] Garrison was beset by so many goofy
witnesses. But as author James Phelan pointed out, "There are certain
sensational cases that have a fascination for unstable people and
fetch them forth in droves." ....
"The difference between Garrison and most responsible
prosecutors in these high-visibility cases is that the latter don't
call the kooks to the witness stand. Garrison did.
"Phelan says, "The Garrison case had a disastrously low
threshold, across which trooped a bizarre parade of people eager to
bolster his conspiracy scenario." And Garrison welcomed them with open
arms." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 1374 of "Reclaiming History"
ShutterBun
As long as you're positing Oswald as the "sole shooter, but part of a
conspiracy," please feel free to demonstrate any MEANINGFUL link
between ANY of his associates (or indeed, his non-associates like
Shaw, Bannister, and Ferrie, whom he likely never met) and the CIA.
Just to give you a bit of a head start: Garrison couldn't do it. The
most the HSCA found was that Shaw was debriefed a few times by the
Domestic Contact Division of CIA. Wow. What else ya got? (P.S. Shaw
still never met Oswald)
Walt
> Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former Military.
> Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former FBI.
> Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former District Attorney of a
> Major U S City.
Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former Military.
Does this qualify him for sainthood?
Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former FBI.
Does this mean that he's pure as thw wind driven snow?
Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former District
Attorney of a
Major U S City.
Does this mean that he's without fault or blemish?
Personally I admired Jim Garrison. (I wrote to him several times) but
I think your way of rebuttal is a bunch of crap!
>
> So, You "KNOW" that there are people in High Places who can NOT be Trusted !
> ! !
>
> "David Von Pein" <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:9f8b7744-de28-4159...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Not one scrap of evidence has ever emerged that on February 24
> > [1967], the day [Jim] Garrison announced that he and his staff had
> > "solved the case," he had any evidence connecting anyone, in any way,
> > with the assassination.
>
> > "If there were nothing else at all, this alone, by definition,
> > would be enough to prove beyond all doubt that Garrison had no
> > personal credibility with respect to this case." -- Vincent Bugliosi;
> > Page 1365 of "Reclaiming History"
>
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Robert
I got one word for you -- PERMINDEX! Check out the connections of
that group!
Robert
> On Sep 16, 12:25 am, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former Military.
> > Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former FBI.
> > Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former District Attorney of a
> > Major U S City.
>
> Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former Military.
>
> Does this qualify him for sainthood?
>
> Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former FBI.
>
> Does this mean that he's pure as thw wind driven snow?
>
> Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former District
> Attorney of a
> Major U S City.
>
> Does this mean that he's without fault or blemish?
>
> Personally I admired Jim Garrison. (I wrote to him several times) but
> I think your way of rebuttal is a bunch of crap!
Really?? I think we have another lie by Walt, as everytime I mentioned
him he called what he said a lie. He attacked Garrison every time I
mentioned him.
I wonder what those letters really said?
Walt
Saying that you disagree with someone is not attacking them.... Ya
dumb bastard.
I didn't agree with Garrison on some points ( that's why I wrote to
him) I think he was attempting to take it a bridge too far in his
attempt to nail Clay Shaw. I believe he let his personal feelings get
in the way.... I believe that he should have been focusing on
Bannister and his link to J.Edna Hoover. Simply disagreeing with
someone isn't calling them a liar ya stupid bastard.
>
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tomnln
"Walt" <papakoc...@evertek.net> wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 12:25 am, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former Military.
> Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former FBI.
> Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former District Attorney of
> a
> Major U S City.
>Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former Military.
Does this qualify him for sainthood?
>Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former FBI.
Does this mean that he's pure as thw wind driven snow?
>Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former District
>Attorney of a Major U S City.
Does this mean that he's without fault or blemish?
Personally I admired Jim Garrison. (I wrote to him several times) but
I think your way of rebuttal is a bunch of crap!
Good for you Wally World;
Now, GO SUCK A ROPE ! ! ! (FIND YER COMFORT LEVEL)
For those of you who don't knlow Wally World, he's a Warren Commission
SHILL.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/wally_world.htm
ALL in her own words
David Von Pein
David Von Pein
9/26/09 QUOTE FOR THE DAY:
"The only thing more horrifying to me than the assassination [of
President Kennedy] itself is the insidious, perverse notion that
elements of the American Government, that my own Agency, had some part
in it. I am determined personally to make public or to expose to
disinterested eyes every relevant scrap of paper in CIA’s possession,
in the hope of helping to dispel this corrosive suspicion." -- CIA
Director Robert Gates; May 12, 1992 [ARRB Final Report; Chapter 8;
Page 146]
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/report/html/arrb_fin_167.htm
Walt
> 9/26/09 QUOTE FOR THE DAY:
>
> "The only thing more horrifying to me than the assassination [of
> President Kennedy] itself is the insidious, perverse notion that
> elements of the American Government, that my own Agency, had some part
> in it. I am determined personally to make public or to expose to
> disinterested eyes every relevant scrap of paper in CIA’s possession,
> in the hope of helping to dispel this corrosive suspicion." -- CIA
> Director Robert Gates; May 12, 1992 [ARRB Final Report; Chapter 8;
> Page 146]
Well at least Dr Gates was honest enough to reveal his true
agenda....." dispel this corrosive suspicion."
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/report/html/arrb_fin_167.htm
>
> http://QUOTING-COMMON-SENSE.blogspot.com
David Von Pein
"If you were put in charge of framing your lone patsy on
11/22/63, would you have placed three gunmen all throughout Dealey
Plaza? Or would you have fired from ONLY the Sniper's Nest in the TSBD
using only your patsy's gun?
"And would you allow your patsy to wander around in the
lunchroom at 12:30, where he's quite likely to be seen by people AT
LUNCHTIME?
"What if Oswald had called in sick on November 22nd? What then?
Would the plotters have re-routed the motorcade to have it pass by
Ruth Paine's home in Irving?" -- David Von Pein; April 2007
Walt
> "If you were put in charge of framing your lone patsy on
> 11/22/63, would you have placed three gunmen all throughout Dealey
> Plaza? Or would you have fired from ONLY the Sniper's Nest in the TSBD
> using only your patsy's gun?
I do believe that you're as stupid as Rob Caprio.
If I were setting up Oswald..... I would have told him that I was
working for the FBI and I admired how he had infiltrated the USSR and
sent home valuable information.
I would also have told him that I knew about his clever idea of
staging an attempt on General walker's life, and I and others in the
FBI had noticed how resourceful he was at attempting to establish a
record as being a genuine communist revolutionary. I would then have
asked him if he would like to take another crack at trying to
infiltrate Castro's Cuba.
I'd have told him that this time he'd have better support from the
FBI.... and I'd have told him that he could use much of the dossier
that he had already created, and use the same basic MO that he'd used
in the walker incident, only this time the staged attempt would be
against the President of the United States. We would help him make it
appear that he had tried to shoot JFK, and had escaped before he could
be captured, and he could flee to Cuba and ask for assylum there. If
he could pull it off he'd be in positon to send back valuable
information that JFK needed .
Gil Jesus
> please feel free to demonstrate any MEANINGFUL link
> between ANY of his associates (or indeed, his non-associates like
> Shaw, Bannister, and Ferrie, whom he likely never met) and the CIA.
GLADLY.......In their OWN words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnKHsBaWTJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YRHh4mOofk
Robert
> On Sep 29, 6:10 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "If you were put in charge of framing your lone patsy on
> > 11/22/63, would you have placed three gunmen all throughout Dealey
> > Plaza? Or would you have fired from ONLY the Sniper's Nest in the TSBD
> > using only your patsy's gun?
>
> I do believe that you're as stupid as Rob Caprio.
That is a good one since you are Reitzes are probably the same
person! LOL!!
> If I were setting up Oswald..... I would have told him that I was
> working for the FBI and I admired how he had infiltrated the USSR and
> sent home valuable information.
What info did he send home? The CIA and others were worried about what
info HE GAVE TO THE SOVIETS concerning the U2 flights. This is why
they opened files on him.
> I would also have told him that I knew about his clever idea of
> staging an attempt on General walker's life, and I and others in the
> FBI had noticed how resourceful he was at attempting to establish a
> record as being a genuine communist revolutionary.
Where is your evidence for this claim of yours concerning LHO "coming
up with the idea of staging an attempt on Gen. Walker's life?"
> I would then have
> asked him if he would like to take another crack at trying to
> infiltrate Castro's Cuba.
Where is your evidence showing us he tried to "crack Castro's Cuba"
the first time?
Does this liar realize many more qualified folks have studied this
case and found NO evidence for these claims of his?
> I'd have told him that this time he'd have better support from the
> FBI.... and I'd have told him that he could use much of the dossier
> that he had already created, and use the same basic MO that he'd used
> in the walker incident, only this time the staged attempt would be
> against the President of the United States. We would help him make it
> appear that he had tried to shoot JFK, and had escaped before he could
> be captured, and he could flee to Cuba and ask for assylum there. If
> he could pull it off he'd be in positon to send back valuable
> information that JFK needed .
Boy, this guy writes MORE FANTASY than Stephen King! He must think he
will be the next Dashell Hammet I guess!
Walt
> On Sep 29, 8:55 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 29, 6:10 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > "If you were put in charge of framing your lone patsy on
> > > 11/22/63, would you have placed three gunmen all throughout Dealey
> > > Plaza? Or would you have fired from ONLY the Sniper's Nest in the TSBD
> > > using only your patsy's gun?
>
> > I do believe that you're as stupid as Rob Caprio.
>
> That is a good one since you are Reitzes are probably the same
> person! LOL!!
>
> > If I were setting up Oswald..... I would have told him that I was
> > working for the FBI and I admired how he had infiltrated the USSR and
> > sent home valuable information.
>
> What info did he send home? The CIA and others were worried about what
> info HE GAVE TO THE SOVIETS concerning the U2 flights. This is why
> they opened files on him.
Don't be so damned stupid.....Would you expect American intelligence
to say.... We've got a spy in Russia who is sending us valuable
information in the form of seemingly onnocuous correspondence. Or
would you expect the American intelligence to act like Oswald was a
turncoat traitor who was giving the Russians valuable information.
Oswald gave the Russians NOTHING of any value...... They already knew
about the U-2's through their own intelligence gathering network.
>
> > I would also have told him that I knew about his clever idea of
> > staging an attempt on General walker's life, and I and others in the
> > FBI had noticed how resourceful he was at attempting to establish a
> > record as being a genuine communist revolutionary.
>
> Where is your evidence for this claim of yours concerning LHO "coming
> up with the idea of staging an attempt on Gen. Walker's life?"
Don't be so damned stupid..... Why the hell do you think George De
Morhenschildt started "paling around" with Oswald? De Morhrenschildt
was an agent whose job was to baby sit Oswald and help him in his
efforts to infiltrate Cuba.
>
> > I would then have
> > asked him if he would like to take another crack at trying to
> > infiltrate Castro's Cuba.
>
> Where is your evidence showing us he tried to "crack Castro's Cuba"
> the first time?
>
> Does this liar realize many more qualified folks have studied this
> case and found NO evidence for these claims of his?
Don't be so damned Stupid..... Our government has worked hard to keep
the truth hidden......
>
> > I'd have told him that this time he'd have better support from the
> > FBI.... and I'd have told him that he could use much of the dossier
> > that he had already created, and use the same basic MO that he'd used
> > in the walker incident, only this time the staged attempt would be
> > against the President of the United States. We would help him make it
> > appear that he had tried to shoot JFK, and had escaped before he could
> > be captured, and he could flee to Cuba and ask for assylum there. If
> > he could pull it off he'd be in positon to send back valuable
> > information that JFK needed .
>
> Boy, this guy writes MORE FANTASY than Stephen King! He must think he
> will be the next Dashell Hammet I guess!
Thank you.......
tomnln
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David Von Pein
"Remarkably, even sensible, intelligent people, such as HSCA
chief counsel Robert Blakey, who personally believes [Carlos] Marcello
was behind Kennedy's assassination, unthinkingly invoke the buffs' A-B-
C reasoning to support their position. On Frontline's 1993 show "Who
Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" Blakey said, "When you find David Ferrie, who
is an investigator for Carlos Marcello, being a boyhood friend to Lee
Harvey Oswald, and with him that summer, and with Carlos Marcello at
that very point in time, you have an immediate connection between a
man [Marcello] who had the motive, opportunity, and means to kill
Kennedy and the man [Oswald] who killed Kennedy."
"What?!? Although common sense alone should tell conspiracy
theorists that knowing someone or even being friendly with him is no
evidence of a connection to his criminal activity, that you have to
show the two were involved with each other in the same enterprise,
there is another fascinating phenomenon that the conspiracy theorists
must be aware of but seem determined not to acknowledge.
"I'm referring to the curious but undeniable reality that
virtually any two people chosen at random can be connected to each
other by the interposition of a very small number of mutual friends or
acquaintances. ....
"To dilute the connection even further, Ferrie was not an
investigator for Carlos Marcello. He was an investigator for lawyer G.
Wray Gill, and Gill had Ferrie work on an immigration lawsuit against
Marcello in which Gill was representing Marcello.
"Also, there is no credible evidence that Ferrie was ever a
boyhood friend of Oswald's or was with Oswald in the summer of 1963.
But even if these assertions were true, so what? They certainly don't
add up to a conspiracy to commit murder." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page
981 of "Reclaiming History"
David Von Pein
"The Dallas police certainly made their mistakes, including
their critical lapse of failing to adequately protect Oswald from any
possible assassin, resulting in his death. Still, by and large, Dallas
homicide captain J. Will Fritz, in his dogged, taciturn way, had,
within two days of the assassination, managed to build a very powerful
case against Lee Harvey Oswald, a case that has stood the test of
time.
"The principal investigation of the assassination, by the Warren
Commission, is, of course, unparalleled in history, not just in the
sheer, staggering volume of information collected by the FBI and other
federal agencies, but in its monumental thoroughness and attention to
detail.
"Likewise, the House Select Committee's modern scientific
analysis of the hard, physical evidence in the case produced a
corroborative foundation of fact that previous investigations couldn't
have hoped to obtain, and thereby contributed appreciably to our
knowledge of the case.
"When taken as a whole...the body of evidence collected by these
official investigations leaves ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that Lee Harvey
Oswald murdered the president, and NO REASONABLE DOUBT that he acted
alone." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 380 of "Reclaiming History"
David Von Pein
"Conspiracy theorist Walt Brown [said that] Oswald's Mannlicher-
Carcano was a "piece of junk" that "certainly lacked accuracy."
"Even if Oswald's Carcano was the worst piece of junk in the
world, this is an irrelevant argument since...firearms experts for the
Warren Commission (FBI) and HSCA proved that it was, in fact, the
weapon that fired three bullets in Dealey Plaza, two of which struck
the president.
"But in point of fact, the Carcano was not a piece of junk that
lacked accuracy. Ronald Simmons, the chief of the Infantry Weapons
Evaluation Branch of the Department of the Army, had his people test-
fire Oswald's Carcano rifle...forty-seven times, and testified the
rifle was "quite accurate"--in fact, just as accurate as the American
military rifle being used at the time, the M-14.
"Indeed, the exact type of rifle Oswald used to kill Kennedy was
still being used at the time [in 1964] by the Italian NATO rifle team
in competition." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 493 of "Reclaiming History"
tomnln
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/fbi_simmons.htm
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Holmes
<davev...@aol.com> wrote:
>The blog linked below contains hundreds of common-sense and fact-based
>quotes relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
>
>I'll be updating and expanding this cool blog on a regular basis. So
>if anyone here (or elsewhere) says something that I deem worthy of
>inclusion in my "Quoting Common Sense" blog, I'll be adding it to this
>blog page.
>
>Enjoy (I know I certainly enjoyed compiling these gems):
Amusingly, the very first sentence is: ""After forty-four long years,
not one CREDIBLE word, not one syllable has ever surfaced about any
conspiracy to kill [President John F.] Kennedy. .... The reason why
not the slightest trace of a conspiracy has ever been uncovered, of
course, is that no such conspiracy ever existed."
The HSCA points out that Von Penis is a liar.
There's FAR MORE than "the slightest trace"... indeed, you'll *NEVER*
see Von Penis tell us what the evidence is for JFK's arrival at
Bethesda.
There's a good reason he can't answer...
Ben Holmes
And *that* fact tells the tale.
David Von Pein
"To frame Oswald for killing Tippit, they [the Dallas Police Department] need to allow Tippit's actual killer to get away with the murder, there is no other way. I've never seen anything anywhere in all my years that would make me believe cops would be okay with the killer of one of their own getting away scot free." -- Bud; May 27, 2023
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Similar comments made by me fourteen years earlier:
"A 5-year-old child could have solved the Tippit murder. Given the evidence, there's no human way for Lee Harvey Oswald to be innocent of killing Officer J.D. Tippit. .... There's not a single conspiracy theorist in the world who can logically (and believably) answer the following question:
Why on Earth would the Dallas Police Department have had any desire whatsoever to want to frame and railroad an innocent Lee Harvey Oswald for the murder of one of their FELLOW OFFICERS AND FRIENDS, all the while not caring at all that they were allowing the real killer or killers of Officer Tippit to get off scot-free?
Conspiracy theorists have their imaginations and crazy assertions. Reasonable people, however, have the hard evidence. Lee Harvey Oswald murdered J.D. Tippit. And Oswald murdered John F. Kennedy too."
-- DVP; December 18, 2009
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Just for fun....
Let's have a gander at the current tally sheet showing the individuals who are quoted the most times at my "Quoting Common Sense" site (not counting my own contributions, which far outnumber everybody else's; but, after all, it's my own site):
Vincent Bugliosi -- 92
Bud -- 32
Jean Davison -- 16
John McAdams -- 8
John K. Lattimer -- 8
David Belin -- 6
John Corbett -- 4
Dale Myers -- 4
Gerald Posner -- 4
Richard B. Trask -- 3
Gary Mack -- 2
Chuck Schuyler -- 2
Mark Fuhrman -- 2
William Manchester -- 2
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http://Quoting-Common-Sense.blogspot.com
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Bud
> The latest addition to my "Quoting Common Sense" website:
>
> "To frame Oswald for killing Tippit, they [the Dallas Police Department] need to allow Tippit's actual killer to get away with the murder, there is no other way. I've never seen anything anywhere in all my years that would make me believe cops would be okay with the killer of one of their own getting away scot free." -- Bud; May 27, 2023
>
> -------------
>
> Similar comments made by me fourteen years earlier:
>
> "A 5-year-old child could have solved the Tippit murder. Given the evidence, there's no human way for Lee Harvey Oswald to be innocent of killing Officer J.D. Tippit. .... There's not a single conspiracy theorist in the world who can logically (and believably) answer the following question:
>
> Why on Earth would the Dallas Police Department have had any desire whatsoever to want to frame and railroad an innocent Lee Harvey Oswald for the murder of one of their FELLOW OFFICERS AND FRIENDS, all the while not caring at all that they were allowing the real killer or killers of Officer Tippit to get off scot-free?
>
> Conspiracy theorists have their imaginations and crazy assertions. Reasonable people, however, have the hard evidence. Lee Harvey Oswald murdered J.D. Tippit. And Oswald murdered John F. Kennedy too."
>
> -- DVP; December 18, 2009
>
> -------------
>
> Just for fun....
>
> Let's have a gander at the current tally sheet showing the individuals who are quoted the most times at my "Quoting Common Sense" site (not counting my own contributions, which far outnumber everybody else's; but, after all, it's my own site):
>
> Vincent Bugliosi -- 92
> Bud -- 32
> Jean Davison -- 16
> John McAdams -- 8
> John K. Lattimer -- 8
> David Belin -- 6
> John Corbett -- 4
> Dale Myers -- 4
> Gerald Posner -- 4
> Richard B. Trask -- 3
> Gary Mack -- 2
> Chuck Schuyler -- 2
Greg Parker
> The blog linked below contains hundreds of common-sense and fact-based
> quotes relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
> I'll be updating and expanding this cool blog on a regular basis. So
> if anyone here (or elsewhere) says something that I deem worthy of
> inclusion in my "Quoting Common Sense" blog, I'll be adding it to this
> blog page.
> Enjoy (I know I certainly enjoyed compiling these gems):
"Reason does not always appeal
to unreasonable men." JFK
It is unreasonable not to consider that Fritz et al who provably and routinely framed the guilty and innocent alike in order to boost his public profile, did not do the same in the biggest case to come his way.
Some quotes about Fritz for you. And unlike your quote, they are in context.
"Solved 656 off 666 cases in the past ten yearrs..." No reasonable person could believe those figures were obtained any other way than by framing many of those people.
"He continually seeks publicity, and on any case, whether his department has jurisdiction or not..."
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=129778#relPageId=3
"What a sickening irony it is that this man
who came through so much should die
at the hands of a man worth so little."
Alex Dreier; ABC News; November 22, 1963
What IS sickening, though not ironic , is how quickly the media jumped on the bandwagen based on leaked and often exaggerated or misleading "evidence". Case in point, the parraffin test. This absolute cunt has just compromised the chance of a fair tyrial. Well done on claiming that as "common sense".
Do let us know if you ever find a quote actually living up your claim.
David Von Pein
> What IS sickening, though not ironic, is how quickly the media jumped on the bandwagen based on leaked and often exaggerated or misleading "evidence". Case in point, the parraffin [sic] test. This absolute cunt has just compromised the chance of a fair trial. Well done on claiming that as "common sense".
WTF are you yammering about? The one and only reference (to date) to Oswald's paraffin test on my lengthy "Quoting Common Sense" webpage is this quote by Gary Mack, in which Mack even emphasizes the *UNreliability* of paraffin tests:
"Hoover properly deemed the paraffin tests unreliable." -- G. Mack; 6/8/2015
So, who is the "absolute cunt" you're referring to in your last post? You seem to be referring to someone I've quoted directly regarding "paraffin tests", which, as I just said, is impossible. But you're probably talking about something that Chief Jesse Curry said to the press in one of his many hallway press gatherings at City Hall on 11/23/63. Right? If that's the case, what has that got to do with all the quotes I've assembled on my website? Or did you just feel like venting tonight....and I was the nearest LNer to scream at?
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:42:17 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> Do let us know if you ever find a quote actually living up your claim.
Here are just a few more samples of the Common Sense that I've accumulated from various LNers over the years:
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"I am convinced that three shots were fired from the sixth floor southeast corner window of the Texas School Book Depository Building. .... No convincing or compelling evidence from the photographs or films or from credible witnesses strongly supports the idea that a shot or shots were fired from the grassy knoll area. .... Lee Harvey Oswald appears, from the evidence derived at the scene, to be the likely assassin. .... From this specifically focused study, I cannot say that others did not conspire with or assist Oswald, or that others absolutely were not present at the scene the day of the assassination. I can say, however, that the evidence of the sixth floor sniper, in all probability Oswald, is compelling."
-- Richard B. Trask; Page xx of "Pictures Of The Pain: Photography And The Assassination Of President Kennedy" (1994)
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"It's quite humorous to read all of the lame excuses that conspiracists can come up with in order to deny the obvious truth about what we are seeing in Zapruder frames 225 and 226. The average conspiracy theorist is so accustomed to rejecting the Single-Bullet Theory that even when confronted with Zapruder Film clips like the ones below, those CTers will still pretend that what they are seeing with their own eyeballs in those movie clips must be the result of "something else" other than the two victims in the car reacting simultaneously to being hit by a bullet:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/02/sbt-clips.html
And most conspiracy theorists I've encountered over the years won't even allow for the remote POSSIBILITY of the Z224-Z230 reactions of President Kennedy and Governor Connally being the result of a single bullet hitting both men. And even the sudden "flinching" of Connally's shoulders at exactly Z225 is totally ignored by most CTers.
Instead, the conspiracy theorists will insist that other things must be considered first and given top priority. The SBT, in other words, is sort of a last resort, and should be avoided at all possible costs. And this is so even though those same CTers know full well that BOTH victims in that car WERE, indeed, struck in their respective UPPER BACKS by a BULLET at just about that same time on the Zapruder Film.
And yet, even though the CTers (save David Lifton, of course) will stipulate to the fact that both Kennedy AND Connally were hit by a bullet in their BACKS within about ONE SECOND of Z-frame #224, the simultaneous arm-jerking reactions exhibited by both JFK and John Connally starting at precisely Z226 are not, per the CTers, to be associated in any way at all with the bullet wounds in the BACK that each victim sustained on November 22, 1963.
That, my friends, is called Serious Denial."
-- DVP; November 2014
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"It isn't a requirement that CTer theories make sense. Besides the conspiracy's magical ability to make anyone at any time say or do anything it requires, it is also incredibly lucky, in that it has Oswald visit the two lunchrooms at lunchtime and get no alibi witness. And of course this omnipotent conspiracy always opts to do things the hard way: they elaborately kill Kennedy instead of torpedoing his presidency with scandal. They let Oswald run loose after the murder, and allow him to talk afterwards, instead of killing him at the scene of the crime."
-- Bud; January 2010
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"Just having Lee Oswald in the general area of the [Tippit] crime, with a gun, and acting "funny" and obviously avoiding the police is a good hunk of circumstantial evidence leading to his guilt right there. Where does the road of common sense take a reasonable person when JUST the above after-the-shooting activity of Lee Harvey Oswald is examined objectively? It sure doesn't lead to total innocence, I'll tell ya that right now. (Especially when the stuff that went on inside the movie theater is factored in as well.) In a nutshell, this murder boils down to the following concrete fact (based on the overall weight of the evidence that surrounds the crime): If Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill J.D. Tippit -- then J.D. Tippit wasn't killed at all. Maybe it was all some kind of "Bobby Was In The Shower" type of dream or something instead."
-- DVP; October 2006
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http://quoting-common-sense.blogspot.com
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David Von Pein
Gil Jesus
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna25917791
Wade executed an innocent man
https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2016/may/henry-wade-executed-innocent-man/
John Corbett
of Oswald's guilt or innocence?
John Corbett
have framed Oswald? How did they get Oswald's prints on the sniper's nest boxes, the barrel of
the rifle, and the rifle bag? How did they get Oswald's handwriting on the Klein's order form or
the application for the PO Box? How did they get a bullet ballistically matched to Oswald's
rifle into the limo where it was found by the Secret Service after being returned to Washington?
Do you think they fired three shots from the Carcano so they could swap those shells with the
ones recovered in the sniper's nest. How did they get the stretcher bullet that ended up being
taken by a Secret Service agent. Do you think they were clever enough to plant fibers from
Oswald's shirt on the butt plate of the rifle or fibers from his blanket in the rifle bag?
Do you guys ever think through the excuses you make for dismissing the overwhelming evidence
of Oswald's guilt? I know. Stupid question.
Greg Parker
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:42:17 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > What IS sickening, though not ironic, is how quickly the media jumped on the bandwagen based on leaked and often exaggerated or misleading "evidence". Case in point, the parraffin [sic] test. This absolute cunt has just compromised the chance of a fair trial. Well done on claiming that as "common sense".
>
> WTF are you yammering about? The one and only reference (to date) to Oswald's paraffin test on my lengthy "Quoting Common Sense" webpage is this quote by Gary Mack, in which Mack even emphasizes the *UNreliability* of paraffin tests:
who came through so much should die at the hands of a man worth so little." on the day of the assassination. You then labelled that statement as "common sense". Wghich of course, is justa fucking meaningless term used by c;owns like you whenever you bump into confirmation if your bias.
Please explain what is "common sense" about pronouncing someone guilty who had not even been fucking charged yet, and risking a fair trial?
You would not know "common sense" if it waltzed up to carrying a large sign saying I AM COMMON SENSXE and then proceeded to bite you on the arse.
> "Hoover properly deemed the paraffin tests unreliable." -- G. Mack; 6/8/2015
> So, who is the "absolute cunt" you're referring to in your last post?
You seem to be referring to someone I've quoted directly regarding "paraffin tests",
which, as I just said, is impossible. But you're probably talking about something that Chief Jesse Curry said to the press in one of his many hallway press gatherings at City Hall on 11/23/63. Right? If that's the case, what has that got to do with all the quotes I've assembled on my website? Or did you just feel like venting tonight....and I was the nearest LNer to scream at?
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:42:17 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > Do let us know if you ever find a quote actually living up your claim.
> Every quote on my site lives up to the "Common Sense" claim. That fact couldn't be more obvious to any and all reasonable people. You're just buried too deep in conspiracy excrement to realize what "common sense" truly is in the JFK case.
Greg Parker
As for your mudslinging... only a fucked up cunt could call someone who advocates for the assassination to be treated like any other cold case, a "conspiracy fantasist".
Maybe I should re-evaluate my support for your take on the so-called "Tippit wallet"? Afterall, I would not want my support for you on that, to cast any doubt upon your own standing in this community.ROFL
But that does highlight the difference between us. I can support shit from your side when it actually makes sense of the evidence. That is how I proceed. You can't and won't ever do the same. You are welded to a set position - the very definition of a narrow-minded stooge and propagandist.
Greg Parker
"Late the next night, Tommy Lee was brought before Captain Fritz, who questioned him for hours—not about any involvement in the robbery for which he had been arrested, but about Venice Parker’s murder. Tommy Lee said that Fritz told him he had received a phone call implicating him in the crime. Fritz had received no such call. Fritz said that there were witnesses and that police knew what he had done. Fritz had a reputation for being unusually effective at wringing admissions of guilt out of suspects, and his techniques worked in this case as well. Years later, we know much more about how often false confessions occur and what can trigger them—fear, cultural differences, sleep deprivation, and feelings of hopelessness, all of which played a role in this case.
And by intimidation, as shown below from the link provided by Gil
"Tommy Lee said later that he was intimidated when Fritz shouted at him again and again that he was lying about the murder. He said Fritz asked repeatedly if he had to “bring in the men from upstairs” when Tommy Lee balked at signing a confession. He believed that was a reference to the two officers he’d earlier seen beating a man. "
Both Fritz and Wade knew this gyuy was innocent. They used him to boost theor own standing in Dallas society. What a thoroughly charming place.
As for the others released by DNA -- if they were not referred to Wade by Fritz himself, it was by those trained under Fritz.
Fritz and Wade thrived on media attention. They did not give a rat's arse who had to swing for them to get thrir sugar hits.
David Von Pein
> Fritz and Wade thrived on media attention. They did not give a rat's arse who had to swing for them to get [their] sugar hits.
Another massively overblown hunk of unproven crap coming from the veteran conspiracy fantasist named Parker who has never provided a shred of proof for a single thing that's ever escaped his filthy mouth.
I hadn't realized prior to Parker's latest barrage of disgusting and vile ejaculations in this thread just how big of an a**hole Parker was. Well, now we all know.
Sky Throne 19efppp
> The blog linked below contains hundreds of common-sense and fact-based
> quotes relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
> I'll be updating and expanding this cool blog on a regular basis. So
> if anyone here (or elsewhere) says something that I deem worthy of
> inclusion in my "Quoting Common Sense" blog, I'll be adding it to this
> blog page.
> Enjoy (I know I certainly enjoyed compiling these gems):
> www.Quoting-Common-Sense.blogspot.com
Greg Parker
Stoot
The equivalent of a Hoe for men
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stoot
Greg Parker
> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 9:14:34 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > Fritz and Wade thrived on media attention. They did not give a rat's arse who had to swing for them to get [their] sugar hits.
>
> Another massively overblown hunk of unproven crap coming from the veteran conspiracy fantasist named Parker who has never provided a shred of proof for a single thing that's ever escaped his filthy mouth.
Here it is again.
"He [Fritz] continually seeks publicity, and on any case, whether his department has jurisdiction or not..."
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=129778#relPageId=3
You want to ignore it again and falsely claim I don't support what I say with evideence, go ahead. It is you will continue to look ridiculous.
> I hadn't realized prior to Parker's latest barrage of disgusting and vile ejaculations in this thread just how big of an a**hole Parker was. Well, now we all know.
This is what waving the white flag, slinging mud and then scurrying off looks like.
Fuck you and the Doodle you Yank
John Corbett
> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 9:03:11 PM UTC+10, John Corbett wrote:
> > On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 5:29:49 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 4:37:00 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:42:17 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > > > > No reasonable person could believe those figures were obtained any other way than by framing many of those people.
> > > > Typical overblown response coming from an outer-fringe conspiracy fantasist who has no evidence at all to back up anything he ever says. Who would expect anything less?
> > > 19 Wade Convictions overturned on DNA Evidence
> > > https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna25917791
> > >
> > > Wade executed an innocent man
> > > https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2016/may/henry-wade-executed-innocent-man/
> > Since Oswald wasn't prosecuted by Wade or anybody else, how is that relevant to the question
> > of Oswald's guilt or innocence?
> Fritz was the man who got the "confession" from the man executed. He did so by lying about evidence, as shown below from the link provided by Gil
> "Late the next night, Tommy Lee was brought before Captain Fritz, who questioned him for hours—not about any involvement in the robbery for which he had been arrested, but about Venice Parker’s murder. Tommy Lee said that Fritz told him he had received a phone call implicating him in the crime. Fritz had received no such call. Fritz said that there were witnesses and that police knew what he had done. Fritz had a reputation for being unusually effective at wringing admissions of guilt out of suspects, and his techniques worked in this case as well. Years later, we know much more about how often false confessions occur and what can trigger them—fear, cultural differences, sleep deprivation, and feelings of hopelessness, all of which played a role in this case.
>
> And by intimidation, as shown below from the link provided by Gil
>
> "Tommy Lee said later that he was intimidated when Fritz shouted at him again and again that he was lying about the murder. He said Fritz asked repeatedly if he had to “bring in the men from upstairs” when Tommy Lee balked at signing a confession. He believed that was a reference to the two officers he’d earlier seen beating a man. "
>
> Both Fritz and Wade knew this gyuy was innocent. They used him to boost theor own standing in Dallas society. What a thoroughly charming place.
> As for the others released by DNA -- if they were not referred to Wade by Fritz himself, it was by those trained under Fritz.
of what Bud is talking about when he says conspiracy hobbyists look at the wrong things and
look at those wrong things incorrectly.
Wade's and Fritz's involvement in the case is practically irrelevant. Wade's sole involvement in
the case was to file the murder charges against Oswald, charges that he would never prosecute.
Fritz got nothing evidentiary out of Oswald other than to expose him as a liar. The case against
Oswald in the JFK murder was almost entirely based on forensics and a solitary witness. The
witness wasn't even necessary. The forensics alone prove Oswald's guilt. The case against him
in the Tippit murder was a combination of numerous eyewitnesses who IDed him and his
possession of the murder weapon a half hour after the killing. Both would have been slam dunk
convictions had they gone to trial.
> Fritz and Wade thrived on media attention. They did not give a rat's arse who had to swing for them to get thrir sugar hits.
transgressions by either, real or imagined, are completely irrelevant.
Ben Holmes
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The forensics alone prove Oswald's guilt.
it.
Ben Holmes
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Do you guys ever think through the excuses you make for dismissing the overwhelming evidence
>of Oswald's guilt? I know. Stupid question.
citing it.
David Von Pein
> Egads! DVP thinks that Bud is "astute." I can read no more of that garbage.
Sky Throne 19efppp
David Von Pein
> You really think Bud is astute? May I quote you?
Ben Holmes
<davev...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 5:52:26?PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
>> You really think Bud is astute? May I quote you?
>
>All day long.
what Chickenshit claimed was the medical description of the location
of the wound in the back of JFK's head.
It's a simple cut & paste... But you won't.
You're a coward... and you clearly can't defend your empty claim.
Bud
> On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:01:45 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
> <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 5:52:26?PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> >> You really think Bud is astute? May I quote you?
> >
> >All day long.
> Then *YOU* shouldn't fear posting the sentence immediately preceding
> what Chickenshit claimed was the medical description of the location
> of the wound in the back of JFK's head.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/zd04nl65Xbo/m/y73mYGNRAwAJ
Ben Holmes
<davev...@aol.com> wrote:
from believers.
Ben Holmes
wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 6:43:47?PM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:01:45 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
>> <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 5:52:26?PM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
>>>> You really think Bud is astute? May I quote you?
>>>
>>>All day long.
>>
>> Then *YOU* shouldn't fear posting the sentence immediately preceding
>> what Chickenshit claimed was the medical description of the location
>> of the wound in the back of JFK's head.
>
> Addressed the issue months ago here...
It has **NEVER** been quoted in this forum.
I know you're DESPERATE to help out Von Penis... but his silence
proves him a liar and a coward...