A Tale of Two Oswalds (1954)
Dreitzes
seems as implausible on the surface as that of John Armstrong, who believes
that there were two people sharing the identity of Lee Harvey Oswald for over
ten years prior to the Kennedy assassination. I have been reviewing Armstrong's
research for several months, and have come to the conclusion that, however many
details may be disputed, Armstrong's work deserves to be taken seriously. If
Armstrong is correct, there can be little doubt that the events he is
documenting expose for the first time the clear fingerprints of an intelligence
operation surrounding Lee Harvey Oswald. If Armstrong's theory is incorrect,
then another is necessary - because he has demonstrated that the official
biography of Lee Harvey Oswald no longer is credible.
The following is adapted from John Armstrong's "Harvey and Lee." It deals
primarily with a single year, 1954 - nine years before the Kennedy
assassination.
There are two starkly contradictory exhibits from the records of the Warren
Commission. One shows Lee Harvey Oswald attending Beauregard Junior High School
for 89 days during the fall term of 1953 in New Orleans (CE 1413). The other
shows Oswald attending 62 days during the fall 1953 term of Public School #54
in New York (CE 1384). If both documents are correct, there are two Lee Harvey
Oswalds - the "Lee" born in New Orleans in 1939 attending school in New York
City, and an impostor, who John Armstrong calls "Harvey," attending Beauregard
in New Orleans -- in the fall of 1953. It is the IMPOSTOR, "Harvey," who
Armstrong and I believe was arrested in Dallas on November 22, 1963 and was
subsequently murdered by Jack Ruby.
Myra DaRouse taught girls' physical education at Beauregard Junior High School
in New Orleans for three years. She had her own homeroom class for only one
year, the 1953-54 school year. John Armstrong interviewed and videotaped Myra
in 1996. Here's what she said:
"I began teaching in New Orleans Parish in 1953, September. And the school I
was assigned to was Beauregard Junior High School, which is located on Canal
Street. I was a physical education teacher. In my second year there I was given
a homeroom . . . Sometime after Christmas I got a new student. It turned out
that his name was Lee Harvey Oswald. I never called him Lee Harvey Oswald
because he asked me not to call him Lee. And I asked him what he would like to
be called, and he said Harvey. So I knew him as Harvey Oswald. My contact with
him was just in a homeroom roll call because I taught girls' physical
education. But sometime -- how it happened I don't know -- he and I became
friends. And each afternoon as I did my coaching after school, he would always
seem to be in the yard sitting around. Harvey seemed to have only one friend,
Ed Voebel."
Edward Voebel is well known to students of the Warren Commission volumes. The
Commission interviewed Voebel, who affirmed his friendship with Oswald.
Myra DaRouse remembers one incident in particular:
"On one occasion we were practicing basketball in the schoolyard. Ed Voebel
comes running out and says, 'Ms. DaRouse! Ms. DaRouse! Come inside quick!" So
Dorothy Dugan [another teacher] and I went into the basement, and there on the
floor was Harvey, and an upright piano that had fallen, [on] his legs from the
waist down. So with the help of Ed Voebel [we] pulled the piano up, and I asked
him if he was hurt, asked Harvey if he was hurt, and he said no, he didn't
think so. And I said well maybe we should call your mother and he said no,
because she is at work: 'She is working at the bar.'
"Well, you know, this happened at school, and you can't be too careful, so I
called our principal . . . and asked him what he thought I should do. And he
said, 'Well, Myra, take him down to the Monte Lepre Clinic on Canal Street' . .
. So we got in the car, and I drove Harvey down, and they examined him, and
they said he was fine, and it was getting dark. It was a little after five, and
I didn't want him going home by himself, so I asked him where he lived, and he
said on Exchange Alley, down near the river. So I drove him down, and it was
kind of a disgusting place. And I was very glad I didn't live there. And he
lived upstairs over a ballroom."
The address Myra DaRouse refers to in the spring of 1954 is 126 Exchange Place,
known by many as Exchange Alley. But the Warren Commission tells us that
Marguerite and Lee Oswald didn't move to 126 Exchange Place until the spring of
1955 (WR 680). Myra DaRouse never saw Oswald after the spring of 1954.
Armstrong asked Myra how tall Harvey was? Myra said, "Well, I'm about 5'3" now,
but I was about 4'8" back then, and I would say he came up to about here. I
would say he was about 4'8", 4'6", or about 4'8"."
"That small -- 4'6" or 4'8"?"
"Yeah, he was little, scrawny."
This is a stark contrast to New Orleans-born "Lee" - who Life magazine noted
had been the tallest boy in his sixth grade class (25 H 120).
Myra's description of a 4'6" or 4'8" Lee Harvey Oswald in the spring of 1954
differs considerably with Oswald's New York court and school records -- if this
is the same Lee Harvey Oswald. In his 1952-53 school records, in the two
columns marked for the seventh and eighth grades, Oswald's height is listed as
64 inches, or 5'4" (CE 1384, 22 H 691). He has shrunk eight inches or more
since leaving New York.
It should be noted that Dr. Milton Kurian interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald about
his truant behavior at New York's Youth House on March 27, 1953, and Kurian
also noted that Oswald was very small for his age: Kurian himself was 5'7", and
he estimates Oswald's height as 4'6" (Interview with John Armstrong). Kurian's
interview of Lee Harvey Oswald has vanished from the record, and had already
done so by May 1, 1953, when Dr. Renatus Hartogs examined Lee Harvey Oswald,
and noted that Oswald's file showed no previous treatment at Youth House.
Here's how Hartogs described Lee Harvey Oswald: "This 13 year old, well-built,
well-nourished boy was remanded to Youth House for the first time on charge of
truancy from school and of being beyond the control of his mother as far as
school attendance is concerned. This is his first contact with the law" (8 H
223).
This was not the same Lee Harvey Oswald; this is Lee, the New Orleans-born
Oswald. Harvey, the 4'6" impostor was interviewed by Dr. Kurian, and that
interview - as well as the file Dr. Kurian saw noting Oswald's PRIOR
CONFINEMENT at Youth House -- had officially ceased to exist by May 1, 1953.
Dr. Milton Kurian will appear with John Armstrong at the JFK/Lancer November in
Dallas conference. He corroborates Myra DaRouse's account of a 4'6" Lee Harvey
Oswald, and - like Ms. DaRouse - Kurian knew Lee Harvey Oswald at a time and
place where Oswald is not supposed to have been.
This writer spoke to Myra DaRouse on October 4, 1998. She told me the same
thing she had told John Armstrong, except she said that Oswald liked to be
called by "his full name," which she clarified to mean "Lee Harvey."
She said that Ed Voebel was Oswald's only friend aside from herself. She
described him as a small boy, very soft-spoken, one who was teased by the other
boys for being a "sissy." While the Warren Report says Oswald enrolled in the
eighth grade at Beauregard on January 13, 1954 (WR 679), Myra DaRouse remembers
him having attended briefly the previous semester -- "not long enough to get a
grade," she says, but for a short time before the Christmas break. This
slightly contradicts her statement to Armstrong that Oswald entered her class
following Christmas. I point such details out here because they are sure to be
pounced upon by skeptics sooner or later.
Ms. DaRouse takes issue with the Warren Report's characterization of Oswald as
a troublemaker and a scrapper. She says he was only in one fight that she ever
knew, an occasion when a small group of boys came riding up on the bikes after
school and ganged up on him and Ed Voebel. She says he was knocked around
pretty badly before she came upon the scene and interceded. This occurred
outside on an asphalt black-top section of the school grounds. I asked her if
this wasn't the occasion that he had his front tooth knocked out. She said, no,
she didn't remember anything like that (Interview with Myra DaRouse, October 4,
1998). I suppose one might say I was sort of "testing" Ms. DaRouse, and she
passed: Oswald had his tooth knocked out the following school year, inside the
school building (see below). Myra never would see Oswald during his ninth grade
year.
Ms. DaRouse said that Oswald spent a lot of time at the school library before
and after the school day. She added that, this being a school library, there
weren't any books that would put any "funny ideas" in his head. I asked, "You
mean political things?" "Right," she said.
I took the opportunity to ask her if she'd ever heard Oswald say anything about
politics, Communism, or any such thing: "No, never." I asked if she remembered
the way he talked: whether he might have had a Southern accent." Her first
recollection was of his being very quiet and soft-spoken, not talking much. She
said that, of course, being from the South, she herself wouldn't have noticed
such an accent. "But you don't remember him sounding like a Northerner?" I
asked. "No," she said.
This is one of the few areas where I note a problem with John Armstrong's
theory. Armstrong correctly notes that "Harvey," the impostor who first
concretely appears on the record in New York, is sometimes noted to have a New
York accent (see Armstrong's "Harvey and Lee"). However, this is not noted
consistently enough in the record for me to state definitely. By the time
"Harvey" appeared on New Orleans radio station WDSU's "Latin Listening Post" in
1963, he would have a faint southern or Texas accent, as he does in the
recordings made while he was in the custody of the Dallas police. Space does
not allow here for an explanation of why Armstrong and I believe it was
"Harvey" and NOT the New Orleans born, Texas-raised "Lee" who was arrested in
Dallas. I will try to post more information on the subject soon. In the
meantime, those unfamiliar with Armstrong's work can find more information in
the current issue of Fair Play (gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us/h0/SIGS/JFK/FP/)
and also in Joe Backes' coverage of the 1996 Fourth Decade conference at
Fredonia
(gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us/h0/SIGS/JFK/FP/fp.back_issues/12th_Issue/fre
donia2.html). (Half the names are misspelled, and a few of the dates are wrong,
which makes a confusing situation even moreso, but otherwise Backe's summary is
extremely useful, and indeed it is one of my sources for this article.)
I mentioned to Ms. DaRouse that John Armstrong had recently found a
registration card for Oswald in the eighth grade that listed his homeroom as
room 303, a room on the third floor (Armstrong's letter to author, September
1998). I asked her if that could be consistent with her homeroom roll call
being in the basement. In other words, could she have been assigned room 303
despite actually using the stage in the basement?
"No, 303, that's the ninth grade," she said.
"You mean the whole third floor was for the ninth grade?"
"Right."
Yet this registration form at the National Archives shows Oswald was in room
303 in the eighth grade.
I asked her, when she heard the name "Lee Harvey Oswald" following the
assassination, how long did it take her to recognize it. Was it right away?
"Yes, right away. I said, that can't be." Later she added, "I still don't
believe he did it. I don't put much stock in that Warren Report."
She notes that she was questioned in a locked room for two solid hours about
Oswald. Nothing she said was used in the Report. The Report devotes exactly one
sentence to Oswald's eighth grade year (WR 679).
Myra lost contact with Oswald after his eighth grade year, though Oswald did
attend Beauregard for a semester of his ninth grade year. Why didn't Oswald
ever seek out his friend Myra DaRouse, who continued to coach girls' sports
after school? As hard as it is to believe, the evidence suggests that it was
not "Harvey" who returned to Beauregard in the fall of 1954 - it was New
Orleans-born Lee. "Harvey" had moved to Texas where he would enroll at
Stripling Junior High School in the fall of 1954 (see below).
While attending Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans during the 1954-55
school year, Edward Voebel witnessed classmate Robin Riley punch Lee Harvey
Oswald in the mouth. As Voebel recalled to the Warren Commission, Beauregard
was full of tough city kids eager to stake their turf. He described Oswald as
someone whom he never saw start a fight, but who stood up for himself when he
had to. Voebel remembered that two brothers, John and Mike Neumeyer, had ganged
up on Oswald one day, and at one point Oswald clocked the younger brother
pretty well. He was walking down the hall in school the next day when an older
boy, Robin Riley, a friend of the Neumeyers, came suddenly around a corner and
punched Oswald square in the mouth (8 H 3) and ran off. Voebel referred to this
as "passing the post": Riley "passed the post" on Oswald.
Voebel walked Oswald to the bathroom, got some ice for him, and helped him
patch himself up. Voebel told the Warren Commission that Oswald's lip was cut
and his tooth was knocked out (8 H 3). The boys became good friends. Voebel
visited Oswald's apartment at 126 Exchange Place on many occasions, and he and
Lee often shot pool in an Exchange Place pool hall (8 H 4).
Ed Voebel was the person who took a photograph of Oswald in a Beauregard
classroom which appeared in the Life magazine of February 21, 1964, on page 70,
and which was reprinted in the Warren Commission volumes (CE 284; Jack White
"Evolution of LHO" poster, #13). Armstrong studied this photo closely to see if
there wasn't some indication of the date. He found that if one looks very
closely with a magnifying glass at a picture hung above the blackboard in the
background, the Hallmark Cards logo can be made out. Hallmark in Kansas City
identified the picture as an advertisement for a televised version of Macbeth
that Hallmark sponsored. The advertisement was featured in the Scholastic
magazine of November 1954. It may have been a class assignment. Oswald appears
very noticeably to have a missing front tooth in this photograph.
When John Armstrong showed this photograph to Myra DaRouse, she didn't
recognize Oswald as the young man she'd known. We believe that, in fact, he
wasn't. We believe it is Lee whose photograph appears in the 1955 Beauregard
yearbook (White #14), and who bears a strong resemblance to his older brother,
Robert.
In 1981, Oswald's body was exhumed, photographed, and X-rayed as a result of an
investigation by the British Communist hunter, Michael Eddowes. It was Eddowes'
theory -- as related in his self-published book Khrushchev Killed Kennedy
(1975), reprinted as The Oswald File (Potter, 1977) -- that the Oswald who
returned from Russia in 1962 was not the same Oswald who left the US in 1959,
but was actually a look-alike Soviet impostor. (Eddowes' theory was also the
basis of an episode of the television program In Search Of.) Eddowes convinced
Marina Oswald to allow an exhumation. The pathologist in charge of the
examination, Dr. Linda Norton, showed that Oswald's Marine Corps dental records
matched the teeth of the exhumed body. Eddowes' theory was demolished.
Dr. Norton's report was given to Marina Oswald Porter, the widow of the accused
assassin. Marina personally handed Armstrong the file and allowed him to make
copies, including the X-rays and photographs. Neither the dental records,
photographs nor X-rays show any broken, chipped, capped, or missing teeth. If
Oswald had a front tooth knocked out in 1954, as shown in Life, there is only
one way to explain the exhumed body of Lee Harvey Oswald having a full set of
unbroken, natural teeth in 1981: The exhumed body was a different Oswald.
There are many already disputing this fact, as can be seen from posts on this
very news group. No one has yet refuted it. This writer contacted three
lifelong dental hygienists of his acquaintance and asked them very simply,
what's the oldest a teenager can expect to have any of his baby teeth? Each one
said that teenagers virtually never have their baby teeth at all, and that age
twelve would be about as late as can be expected, and even that is rather late.
So, I asked without naming any names, if someone lost a front tooth at age
fourteen or fifteen, it was gone forever? One hygienist said that in all but
the very rarest cases, it was gone permanently. The others said that a fourteen
or fifteen-year-old would never grow back a tooth. And any kind of replacement
would show in a dental X-ray? I asked, knowing full well the answer I'd get.
Yes, each one said.
Armstrong believes that "Harvey Oswald" attended Beauregard for the end of his
eighth grade year, then was replaced with Lee, who attended Beauregard for the
ninth grade. "Harvey," then, would have been the 4'6" or 4'8" boy in Myra
DaRouse's homeroom, while Lee is the boy photographed by Ed Voebel. That such a
"switch" could be pulled off is admittedly a tough pill to swallow, and it took
this writer some time to digest. After all, Lee was taller and stockier than
Harvey, and his mannerisms would be undeniably different. Were Lee to take
Harvey's place between the school years, he would have to fool a host of
classmates and faculty. Or would he?
The only person at Beauregard who is certain to have known Oswald at Beauregard
during both his eighth and ninth grade years was Edward Voebel, whom Myra
DaRouse vividly remembers as Oswald's only friend besides herself during his
eighth grade year, in the spring of 1954.
Yet Voebel told the Warren Commission he didn't meet Lee Harvey Oswald until
Oswald's ninth grade year in the fall of 1954 -- when Oswald had his tooth
knocked out by Johnny Neumeyer (8 H 3; WR 679). The Commission even heard from
a witness to the event, Bennierita Sporacio Smith, who didn't know Oswald
before the 1954-55 school year (8 H 22). November 1954 was probably when the
photograph of Lee Oswald with a missing tooth was taken by Voebel.
DaRouse and Voebel cannot both be right.
John Armstrong acknowledges that Myra DaRouse knew "Harvey" and Ed Voebel knew
"Lee." I theorize that Voebel knew BOTH of them - and he didn't realize THEY
WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME PERSON. His friend Lee was considerably taller
than "Harvey" was at that time, had similar but hardly identical features, was
slightly more outgoing and more likely to get into fights than "Harvey," and
most certainly had different mannerisms and a different vocal quality. It is my
theory that Voebel never had the slightest idea that his friend "Harvey" or
"Lee Harvey" (as Myra DaRouse knew him then) and his later friend Lee had any
relationship whatsoever to one another. He knew them both, and he never would
have mistaken one for the other.
Voebel was certain that his friend Lee never spoke about Marxism or communism
in his presence, something Harvey seemed to do compulsively both earlier (see
Jim Hargrove's series on Armstrong's "Harvey and Lee," posted on this newsgroup
or the above-cited Fourth Decade presentation) and later - to everyone, in
fact, but Myra DaRouse. Voebel never recalled his friend as "Harvey" or "Lee
Harvey" -- only "Lee."
While one Oswald -- Lee -- was attending Beauregard Junior High School in New
Orleans in the fall of 1954, the other -- Harvey -- moved to Fort Worth, Texas,
and enrolled in Stripling Junior High School. Yet according to the Warren
Commission, all of his junior high school years were in New York or New Orleans
-- not Texas. From 1952 to 1962, we're told, the only time Oswald resided in
Fort Worth, Texas, was four months in 1956, at which time he briefly attended
Arlington Heights High School. Oswald was never supposed to have attended
junior high school in Fort Worth.
Is there any evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald resided and attended junior high
school in Fort Worth, Texas in 1954? Yes.
In October of 1959, when Oswald allegedly defected to Russia, his brother
Robert Oswald was interviewed by the Fort Worth Star Telegram (October 31,
1959) and the Fort Worth Press (November 1, 1959). Robert told both papers his
brother Lee had attended Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth. In June of 1962,
when Oswald returned from Russia, Robert Oswald was again interviewed by the
Star Telegram (June 8, 1962). Again Robert said his brother had attended
Stripling Junior High School in Fort Worth.
Two years later, in 1964, Robert Oswald told the Warren Commission that Lee
attended Stripling Junior High School in Fort Worth, Texas (1 H 299). When
Marguerite Oswald was interviewed by Pierre Berton in 1964, she also said that
Lee had gone to junior high school in Fort Worth. So we have five statements
from Oswald's mother and brother over a five year period that Lee Harvey Oswald
attended Stripling Junior High School in Fort Worth, Texas.
Francetta Schubert was in the eighth grade at Stripling Junior High during the
1954-55 school year. Fran remembers Lee Harvey Oswald being a grade ahead of
her at Stripling. This was "Harvey." Oswald is not SUPPOSED to have been at
Stripling. John Armstrong interviewed and videotaped Ms. Schubert in 1996. She
told him that Oswald lived right across the street and she used to see him walk
home for lunch, as his home was adjacent to the school. She distinctly
remembers discussing Oswald with her girlfriends at the time.
Armstrong asked her where Oswald lived, and she brought him to the exact
location, where the house has since been torn down, and where a newer brown
house now stands -- directly across the street from Stripling Junior High
School. This is 2220 Thomas Place, the same house Marguerite lived in at the
time of the assassination. Francetta Schubert will appear with John Armstrong
at the JFK/Lancer November in Dallas conference.
Doug Gann of Fort Worth remembered Oswald in his homeroom at Stripling, and
recalls Oswald living in a house directly across the street from Stripling --
2220 Thomas Place, the same house. Roy Parkin used to play touch football in
Oswald's front yard -- at 2220 Thomas Place -- and saw him frequently in the
halls of Stripling. Another student told Armstrong it was "common knowledge"
that Lee Harvey Oswald attended Stripling. In 1955, Bobby and Jackie Pitts
lived at 2224 Thomas Place, next door to Oswald. Mark Summers, a former gym
teacher at Stripling, remembers Oswald in his gym class (Interviews with John
Armstrong).
The evidence indicates that during the fall of 1954, one Oswald - "Harvey" --
attended junior high in Fort Worth while at the exact same time the other
Oswald - Lee -- attended Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans. The FBI
KNEW OF THIS CONFLICT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE ASSASSINATION. Confirmation of
this comes from a man named Frank Kudlaty.
Frank Kudlaty was assistant principal at Stripling Junior High School in 1963.
He's since retired from his service as Superintendent of schools in Waco,
Texas. Armstrong interviewed and videotaped Mr. Kudlaty in 1996, and here's
what he said:
"On Saturday morning following the Kennedy assassination, I received a call at
home -- I lived at 4225 Kurzon at that time -- from Mr. Riley who was my
principal, telling me to go to school, go to the record file and get Lee Harvey
Oswald's records. And that somebody from the FBI would be there to pick them
up. And that's exactly what I did. I went to school, I went to the records
files, got his records out, I did open them, I did look at them in kind of a
cursory way, and the only thing I can recall is that the records were kind of
incomplete in that he did not attend a full year. I put them back in the brown
envelope and left them on my desk and waited ten, fifteen minutes, perhaps
longer. And two gentlemen came in and showed me identification that they were
FBI agents. I gave them records, and the best that I remember is that one of
them did open the records up and had a look in it. And they thanked me, and
then they left, and then I locked the doors and I went home. And that's all I
know about Lee Harvey Oswald."
What happened to these records? Don't bother to look for them in the 26 Warren
Commission volumes, or in any of the 400 cubic feet of Warren Commission
records available for perusal at the National Archives. And don't waste your
time filing a Freedom of Information request for the records with the FBI. The
FBI denies any knowledge of Oswald at Stripling Junior High School. Frank
Kudlaty will appear with John Armstrong at the JFK/Lancer November in Dallas
conference.
The Warren Commission, however, cannot claim such blissful ignorance as the
FBI. In Robert Oswald's marathon testimony on the background of Lee Harvey
Oswald, in the presence of both "Oswald experts," Albert Jenner and Wesley
Liebeler, Robert said, "In 1952 Lee was 13 years old. He would be attending W.
C. Stripling Junior High School then" (1 H 299). Did Jenner sneeze and miss it?
Had Liebeler dozed off? A few seconds later Robert Oswald affirmed the fact:
"As soon as he was through his sixth [grade] year, he started attending W. C.
Stripling Junior High School" (1 H 299).
Robert Oswald had attended Stripling (1 H 296). His older half-brother John
Edward Pic attended Stripling (1 H 277). And he had no doubt that Lee Harvey
Oswald went to the same school they had. Did Senior Counsel Jenner, the man in
charge of investigating Oswald's background, somehow miss the name of this
school in Fort Worth? No.
Mr. JENNER. As soon as he finished the sixth year at Ridglea West Elementary
School, he entered W. C. Stripling Junior High School as a seventh grader?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir (1 H 299).
The year 1954 shows us just one of the many reasons that Albert Jenner was
concerned about the data coming in on the memoranda of John Hart Ely, the staff
member investigating Lee Harvey Oswald's background. Jenner wrote an April 10,
1964, memorandum to J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel for the Warren Commission,
saying "our depositions and examination of records and other data disclose
there are details in Mr. Ely's memoranda which will require material alteration
and, in some cases, omission."
Material alteration and omission regarding Lee Harvey Oswald and his mother --
these are the written words of Warren Commission attorney Albert Jenner,
preserved for all posterity in the National Archives in Washington, DC.
Just one of many reasons that John Armstrong's work deserves to be taken
seriously.
Dave Reitzes
Dreitzes
For those seeking more information on John Armstrong's work, Jim Hargrove has a
number of posts on that subject on this NG, and I am also re-posting here his
list of sources for more information.
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Subject: "Harvey and Lee" Part 10: For More Information...
>From: ji...@wwa.com (Jim Hargrove)
>Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 01:47 EDT
>Message-id: <362d74d...@news.wwa.com>
>
>
> H A R V E Y A N D L E E
>
> FOR MORE INFORMATION...
>
>John Armstrong is a pure researcher and has expressed little interest in
>writing a book. Here are the major sources I have been able to locate that
>examine the thesis and supporting documentation behind "Harvey and Lee:"
>
>-------------------------
>
> JFK LANCER
>
>A VHS video tape covering Mr. Armstrong's nearly 3-hour JFK Lancer November
>in
>Dallas 1997 multimedia presentation can be ordered from:
>
>JFK Lancer Resource Mail Order
>332 NE 5th St. Grand Prairie, TX 75050
>
>Toll free ordering (888) 259-6317
>Texas Office: (972)264-2007
>
>Request: NID97-7 John Armstrong: Harvey and Lee 2 hrs, 42 mins $40.00
>
>There is also a $5 shipping fee, but the price includes a printed booklet
>including the complete text of his talk.
>
>-------------------------
>
> PROBE MAGAZINE
>
>In late 1997, _Probe_ magazine published two lengthy articles written by
>Armstrong detailing his thesis:
>
>Probe Vol. 4, No. 6, September-October, 1997
>Harvey and Lee: The Case for Two Oswalds (Part I)
>
>Probe Vol. 5, No. 1, November-December, 1997
>Harvey and Lee: The Case for Two Oswalds (Part II)
>
>An order form for Probe back issues is at this Web address:
>http://www.webcom.com/~ctka/orderform.html
>
>Probe's mailing address is:
>
>CTKA
>PO BOX 3317
>Culver City, CA 90231
>USA
>
>The full text of John Armstrong's latest _Probe_ article, "Harvey, Lee and
>Tippit: A New Look at the Tippit Shooting," is available without charge at
>this
>url:
>
>http://www.webcom.com/~ctka/pr198-jfk.html
>
>-------------------------
>
> DEANIE RICHARDS' "JFK PLACE"
>
>"JFK Place," a large gopher site administered by Deanie Richards and
>dedicated
>to the Kennedy assassination, contains a number of John Armstrong document
>scans submitted by Jerry Robertson and Michael Parks as well as copies of the
>series of articles you are reading now. The url for the John Armstrong
>directory at JFK Place is:
>
>gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us/11/SIGS/JFK/Only/JA%09%09%2B
>
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>
> JERRY ROBERTSON'S "DENIAL 2" BOOKS
>
>Indiana researcher Jerry Robertson has self-published two books presenting
>the
>text of Mr. Armstrong's "Harvey and Lee" speech and, even more importantly,
>reproducing his documents so that all can see the evidence that has been
>compiled in support of it. These books have been prepared with John
>Armstrong's approval and include--by far--the clearest reproductions of the
>documentary evidence for "Harvey and Lee" available anywhere.
>
>Remarkably, Jerry has been distributing these substantial volumes to JFK
>researchers without any charge whatsoever. He will surely begin charging a
>fee
>to at least cover his printing and mailing costs in the near future, if he
>hasn't done so already. Jerry's email address is: jro...@nfe.com.
>
>--------------------------
>
>Many people still care about the truth, while others care only to crush it.
>The people and organizations listed above clearly want to keep the truth
>alive.
>
>--Jim Hargrove
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Dreitzes
his web site:
His "Evolution of Lee Harvey Oswald" poster was created at the suggestion of
John Armstrong. It contains 77 images of Lee Harvey Oswald from the cradle to
the grave, and is the single most valuable visual resource to seeing for
oneself evidence that more than one person was using the name "Lee Harvey
Oswald," as well as evidence that someone went to a lot of trouble in a few
cases to blur the distinction. Check it out to see what I mean. White also has
a photo supplement of photos that weren't included in the poster.
Jack White also offers for sale his videotape presentation, "The Many Faces of
Lee Harvey Oswald," which was one of John Armstrong's inspirations for his
research on Oswald.
Sorry about the omission, Jack!
Dave Reitzes
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jack white
of LHO photos. We have 8 or 10 new ones since the poster was produced,
and I MAY do a supplement sheet when I have time.
And the video, adapted from my slide presentation, came long before the
poster. John Armstrong purchased my video about 6 years ago, and it is
what started him on concentrating on studying LHO. About 2 years later
he suggested the idea for doing a poster, and I did it.
Jack
K.B.
Dave this is fascinating stuff. You and Jim are giving me a
headache<BG> Has Armstrong or have you, dug up any docs from
Government sources, like CIA that mention their indoctrination of
youths? I for one have no problem beleiving that the CIA is capable of
such stuff, but I can hear the rebuttals now. From the scads of posts
on this NG alone, about Oswald or Oswald, he sure was more then he
appeared to be and if he or they can be definetly tied to CIA or other
secret ops of the US Government, it will give the poplulus a better
understanding of the way things *really* work. Regardless of his
relationship to the murder of Kennedy, this is a can of worms that
definetly needs to be opened.
Keith Bruner
Just another memory free humanoid.
Dreitzes
>From: root@*webquay.com (K.B.)
>Date: Mon, Nov 2, 1998 17:51 EST
>Message-id: <363e349b....@cnews.newsguy.com>
>
>
>Dave this is fascinating stuff. You and Jim are giving me a
>headache<BG> Has Armstrong or have you, dug up any docs from
>Government sources, like CIA that mention their indoctrination of
>youths? I for one have no problem beleiving that the CIA is capable of
>such stuff, but I can hear the rebuttals now. From the scads of posts
>on this NG alone, about Oswald or Oswald, he sure was more then he
>appeared to be and if he or they can be definetly tied to CIA or other
>secret ops of the US Government, it will give the poplulus a better
>understanding of the way things *really* work. Regardless of his
>relationship to the murder of Kennedy, this is a can of worms that
>definetly needs to be opened.
>
>
>
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Dave Reitzes responds:
The answer, in a nutshell, is no, we haven't seen any such thing, although John
Armstrong likes to tell the story of Conan Molodi, a Russian national recruited
by the KGB when he was something like nine, sent to California to learn English
& Western customs, brought home for intelligence training, then sent to England
with a completely false identity, IDs and all, as a Canadian businessman named
Gordon Lonsdale. He passed British defense secrets to the Soviets for ten or
fifteen years before being caught. He was eventually traded back to Russia for
a Western spy, and lived to write his memoirs.
As far as the CIA -- I prefer to say intelligence community, since there are so
many agencies, though Armstrong says it has to be CIA, and he may be right --
we don't have a thing to go on but the little fragments that John has pulled
together and the eyewitness accounts, which aren't neutralized as easily as
documents. No, as far as the masterminds of the whole thing go, it's going to
be a circumstantial case unless hard evidence is released from the Archives and
convinces Congress to do some major housecleaning. (Marguerite and Lee Oswald's
tax returns would be a BIG step in that direction, but tax returns were
specifically exempted from the JFK Records Act.)
It's David and Goliath, really, but then, hasn't it always been with the
assassination? The best thing to do is SPREAD THE WORD.
Take care,
Dave
Dreitzes
>Date: Mon, Nov 2, 1998 17:09 EST
>Message-id: <363E2D9C...@flash.net>
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Dave Reitzes adds:
Folks, seeing is (sometimes) believing. If you haven't seen Jack's poster, you
don't know how boldly the truth has been staring us in the face all along.
I dare anyone to compare the four versions of the "Moscow defection" photo on
Jack's poster and NOT feel like you've been taken for a big ol' joyride by our
honorable government.
Dave