Yellow Curb Marker At Zapruder Frame 356
Sam McClung
located?
Sam
Hap C
grassy knoll?
H
Sam McClung <sa...@flash.net> wrote in article
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Vern Pascal
I see only two yellow curb markers, at around Z 309+ and 356. This is
the "kill zone". Judging from photos and film showing the north side of
the street (the grassy knoll side), there are no
visible yellow curb markers.
Someone had mentioned, I think Rick, that these markers seen in the Z
film are still present. Someone checked for me just yesterday, and they
are no longer there, which would be expected considering weathering,etc.
For all I know they went the way of the Stemmons Freeway sign which was
removed mysteriously shortly after the assassination.
-----------------------------------------------Vern
Sam McClung
a particular photo before posting it or using it for
discussion.
One thing I adhere to is to not add anything to a photo
(i.e. enhancement).
A volunteer may be creating a 3 dimensional photo of
the people behind the fence. I believe it will be an
enhanced photo as well. I'll keep you posted on this,
if it develops. It will depend largely on his skills.
What do see as possible benefits of sharpening knoll photos?
Sam
Hap C
> a particular photo before posting it or using it for
> discussion.
Well, one thing that you can do with a simple (pardon me if you know all
this already) image editor nowadays, is edge detection, sharpening/blurring
of the image, and a few other tricks you can use to bring out objects that
are normally hidden. The information is there, even if it is dispersed a
bit.
> One thing I adhere to is to not add anything to a photo
> (i.e. enhancement).
Well, I understand what you mean, but I don't mean doctoring a picture to
show something that isn't there. I'm referring to the image processing
technicques used most often in the UFO debunking field. With edge
detection you'd see a line where that wire is holding up that UFO, even if
it doesn't show up on the picture, but the impression of it on the negative
is still there.
> A volunteer may be creating a 3 dimensional photo of
> the people behind the fence. I believe it will be an
> enhanced photo as well. I'll keep you posted on this,
> if it develops. It will depend largely on his skills.
That would be interesting. I'm not sure what it would reveal, since the
image is pretty blurred to begin with, it would be just a lot of peaks and
troughs, with nothing in the middle. But I hope it turns out better.
> What do see as possible benefits of sharpening knoll photos?
It would take any blurry edges and possibly sharpen an image. Imagine
staring at something unfocused and having a picture like that. The image
is a bit dispersed (i.e, blurry). Sharpening will remove (somewhat anyway,
since it is subject to interference) the dispersion. You should be able to
take a blurry picture of something, perform some sharpening on it, and
remove some of the blurriness. Doing that to some of the photos may reveal
more information.
Mostly what I'm after is to recover more information from the photos. The
information is there. The correct image processing needs to be done to
bring that information out.
H
James Hackerott
Another yellow strip shows around Z382 (between Hill and Jackie)
before the storm drain. Another at Z412 on the right hand side of the
frame.
I notice on a copy of a "Cutler" map markings on the south side of Elm
that
seem to match the locations of the yellow marks.
James
Sam McClung
Hap C wrote:
> > Hap, I usually do the amount of work I deem sufficient on
> > a particular photo before posting it or using it for
> > discussion.
>
> Well, one thing that you can do with a simple (pardon me if you know all
> this already)
Consider yourself pardoned. : ) Sam
> image editor nowadays, is edge detection, sharpening/blurring
> of the image, and a few other tricks you can use to bring out objects that
> are normally hidden. The information is there, even if it is dispersed a
> bit.
>
> > One thing I adhere to is to not add anything to a photo
> > (i.e. enhancement).
>
> Well, I understand what you mean, but I don't mean doctoring a picture to
> show something that isn't there.
I was not implying you mean that, I merely state what I do.
I am silent on how this might be applied in any other sense.
> I'm referring to the image processing
> technicques used most often in the UFO debunking field. With edge
> detection you'd see a line where that wire is holding up that UFO, even if
> it doesn't show up on the picture, but the impression of it on the negative
> is still there.
A little humor here:
I don't recall seeing any UFOs behind the
fence on the grassy knoll, do you?
> > A volunteer may be creating a 3 dimensional photo of
> > the people behind the fence. I believe it will be an
> > enhanced photo as well. I'll keep you posted on this,
> > if it develops. It will depend largely on his skills.
>
> That would be interesting. I'm not sure what it would reveal, since the
> image is pretty blurred to begin with, it would be just a lot of peaks and
> troughs, with nothing in the middle. But I hope it turns out better.
I see the photo as more of too low a resolution as
opposed to being blurred. I have had numerous
people inform me they can take what is present
and add to it until the detail is plainly visible by
anyone (in other words, to make what looks
like a "regular" discernible photograph out of it,
if I'd like to see it that way, but I'd rather see it
as it is.
> > What do see as possible benefits of sharpening knoll photos?
>
> It would take any blurry edges and possibly sharpen an image. Imagine
> staring at something unfocused and having a picture like that. The image
> is a bit dispersed (i.e, blurry). Sharpening will remove (somewhat anyway,
> since it is subject to interference) the dispersion. You should be able to
> take a blurry picture of something, perform some sharpening on it, and
> remove some of the blurriness. Doing that to some of the photos may reveal
> more information.
I organize my resources in the juggling pattern that
works for me. Looking more closely at the photo
you mention is not a priority with me right now. I
am hopefully not, with my conversational comments,
discouraging others from such pursuits.
It might be interesting to look at if such work is
ever done.
> Mostly what I'm after is to recover more information from the photos. The
> information is there. The correct image processing needs to be done to
> bring that information out.
>
> H
Hopefully my work shared with you has
helped in your endeavor "to recover
more information from the photos."
One thing I might mention, that someone brought
up at a party I was at last Saturday night, is that
my unaided vision is somewhere between 20/15
and 20/20 in both eyes.
I may have an unrealized advantage at looking
at things.
Sam
Sam McClung
> Another yellow strip shows around Z382 (between Hill and Jackie)
> before the storm drain. Another at Z412 on the right hand side of the
> frame.
> I notice on a copy of a "Cutler" map markings on the south side of Elm
> that
> seem to match the locations of the yellow marks.
>
> James
Thanks for the data James. What is a "Cutler" map?
Sam
James Hackerott
Cutler's map is of Dealey Plaza that I downloaded somewhere, sorry I
can't remember where. It seems to show a publish date of 1970. I'm sure
someone here can provide better details. I was curious as to what the
symbols related.
James
Sam McClung
Will you e-mail me a copy of it?
That's an interesting thought as to the "symbols related."
Thanks.
Sam
Vern Pascal
I haven't yet checked on these later markers, nor ascertained their
significance.-------------Vern
Richard Vizzutti
lazu...@webtv.net (Vern Pascal) wrote:
>Sam;
>
>I see only two yellow curb markers, at around Z 309+ and 356. This is
>the "kill zone". Judging from photos and film showing the north side of
>the street (the grassy knoll side), there are no
>visible yellow curb markers.
>
>Someone had mentioned, I think Rick, that these markers seen in the Z
>film are still present. Someone checked for me just yesterday, and they
>are no longer there, which would be expected considering weathering,etc.
>For all I know they went the way of the Stemmons Freeway sign which was
>removed mysteriously shortly after the assassination.
>-----------------------------------------------Vern
Vern,
I "think" it was Jack White that said they are still there but very faint.
-Rick-
--
*KENNEDY and BEYOND*
http://www.angelfire.com/me/carcano/index.html
Richard Vizzutti
Sam,
If you have a Mac, I can send you some great maps of Dealey. -Rick-
Sam McClung
> Sam,
>
> If you have a Mac, I can send you some great maps of Dealey. -Rick-
Richard, I don't have a Mac.
Thanks for the offer.
Sam
AnthonyMarsh
Sam McClung wrote:
>
> James Hackerott wrote: (excerpted by me)
>
> > Another yellow strip shows around Z382 (between Hill and Jackie)
> > before the storm drain. Another at Z412 on the right hand side of the
> > frame.
> > I notice on a copy of a "Cutler" map markings on the south side of Elm
> > that
> > seem to match the locations of the yellow marks.
> >
> > James
>
> Thanks for the data James. What is a "Cutler" map?
>
> Sam
Bob Cutler is well known for his maps. Some of them are based on the
West map which can also be found in the book Six Seconds, which marks
the location of a couple of yellow lines.
--
Anthony Marsh
The Puzzle Palace http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh
Hap C
all
> > this already)
>
> Consider yourself pardoned. : ) Sam
I feel better already : ).
> > Well, I understand what you mean, but I don't mean doctoring a picture
to
> > show something that isn't there.
>
> I was not implying you mean that, I merely state what I do.
> I am silent on how this might be applied in any other sense.
I understand your stance on the subject (at least I think that I do). The
point I was trying to make about performing the image processing on the
photographs (any and all) was to bring out detail that is there, even if it
can't be seen with the unaided eye.
> A little humor here:
> I don't recall seeing any UFOs behind the
> fence on the grassy knoll, do you?
Lol... God I *hope* not! That would make things *so* much tougher to
figure out! Lol
> > That would be interesting. I'm not sure what it would reveal, since
the
> > image is pretty blurred to begin with, it would be just a lot of peaks
and
> > troughs, with nothing in the middle. But I hope it turns out better.
>
> I see the photo as more of too low a resolution as
> opposed to being blurred. I have had numerous
> people inform me they can take what is present
> and add to it until the detail is plainly visible by
> anyone (in other words, to make what looks
> like a "regular" discernible photograph out of it,
> if I'd like to see it that way, but I'd rather see it
> as it is.
Well, too low of a resolution. There's also a technique in image
processing (first let me state that the entire field of signal processing
applies to images as well) to "enhance" photographs. This isn't anything
special other than to "fill in the spots between the dots". But it can
enhance the information that's already there.
> I organize my resources in the juggling pattern that
> works for me. Looking more closely at the photo
> you mention is not a priority with me right now.
I didn't just mean that photograph, but just about any that aren't in sharp
focus.
> am hopefully not, with my conversational comments,
> discouraging others from such pursuits.
Not at all.
> It might be interesting to look at if such work is
> ever done.
If I can get my hands on high resolution photographs or copies of them, I'd
like to piddle around and see what sorts of things I can find. I'm curious
about some of those photographs that showed the boxes in the TSBD had moved
in a span of 2 minutes.
> Hopefully my work shared with you has
> helped in your endeavor "to recover
> more information from the photos."
Yes it has.
> One thing I might mention, that someone brought
> up at a party I was at last Saturday night, is that
> my unaided vision is somewhere between 20/15
> and 20/20 in both eyes.
> I may have an unrealized advantage at looking
> at things.
Lol... as long as *you* don't see UFO's in the pictures, I think you'll be
okay.
H
Tom Bowden
well as a 1996 map of Dealey Plaza without any marking on it for draw it
yourself people. Both are to scale and cost $10 each. 1-800-535-8044
Tom Bowden
James Hackerott wrote in message <3659FCD0...@wt.net>...
>Vern Pascal wrote:
>>
>> Sam;
>>
>> I see only two yellow curb markers, at around Z 309+ and 356. This is
>> the "kill zone". Judging from photos and film showing the north side of
>> the street (the grassy knoll side), there are no
>> visible yellow curb markers.
>>
>> Someone had mentioned, I think Rick, that these markers seen in the Z
>> film are still present. Someone checked for me just yesterday, and they
>> are no longer there, which would be expected considering weathering,etc.
>> For all I know they went the way of the Stemmons Freeway sign which was
>> removed mysteriously shortly after the assassination.
>> -----------------------------------------------Vern
>
Sam McClung
truly a pleasure conversing with you. : )
Consider taking a look at my new post
under the header here "9 Seconds Later
Behind The Fence - With Index."
I think you'll find it interesting : )
Sam
Sam McClung
> The Cutler Map in it 24x32 format is available for the Conspiracy Museum as
> well as a 1996 map of Dealey Plaza without any marking on it for draw it
> yourself people. Both are to scale and cost $10 each. 1-800-535-8044
> Tom Bowden
Thanks, Tom.
Sam
James Hackerott
<snipped by James>
A fifth yellow curb marking can be seen at Z406, between Hill's right
arm and his body. This one is difficult, but was found using Cutler's
map.
He shows all five of the yellow curb markings on his map and,
apparently, no
others.
About the map version I'm using. The scale at the bottom is only about
1/2 of what it must truely be to reflect any of the measurements I have
seen published. I can't
vouch for the authenticity of the map I am using.
James
Sam McClung
Sam
jack white
>
> >Sam;
> >
> >I see only two yellow curb markers, at around Z 309+ and 356. This is
> >the "kill zone". Judging from photos and film showing the north side of
> >the street (the grassy knoll side), there are no
> >visible yellow curb markers.
> >
> >Someone had mentioned, I think Rick, that these markers seen in the Z
> >film are still present. Someone checked for me just yesterday, and they
> >are no longer there, which would be expected considering weathering,etc.
> >For all I know they went the way of the Stemmons Freeway sign which was
> >removed mysteriously shortly after the assassination.
> >-----------------------------------------------Vern
>
>
> I "think" it was Jack White that said they are still there but very faint.
> -Rick-
Correct. They play a major part in proving the zfilm fake. See
my video THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX.
JACK
Michael Parks
lazu...@webtv.net says...
=>
=>Sam;
=>
=>I see only two yellow curb markers, at around Z 309+ and 356. This is
=>the "kill zone". Judging from photos and film showing the north side of
=>the street (the grassy knoll side), there are no
=>visible yellow curb markers.
=>
=>Someone had mentioned, I think Rick, that these markers seen in the Z
=>film are still present. Someone checked for me just yesterday, and they
=>are no longer there, which would be expected considering weathering,etc.
=>For all I know they went the way of the Stemmons Freeway sign which was
=>removed mysteriously shortly after the assassination.
=>-----------------------------------------------Vern
=>
Vern, who ever checkedfor you did not do you justice. The yellow paint is
still there. Hard to see the first time but after locating these sectios,
they are easy to spot. I know. I hit DP several times a month.
Michael Parks
Michael Parks
>
=>> Vern,
=>>
=>> I "think" it was Jack White that said they are still there but very
=faint.
=>> -Rick-
=>
=>
=>Correct. They play a major part in proving the zfilm fake. See
=>my video THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX.
=>
=>JACK
Jack, there are close to a dozen yellow painted curbs in DP. Regretfully,
you fail to mention this in your video. I fail to see how these sections of
curb prove a conspiracy or the Z-film was faked. Sorry. Three sections are
seen in the Z-film, in their proper locations.
Michael Parks
Vern Pascal
Guess my "spotter" didn't have his glasses on the other day. You say
these yellow curb markers are still vsible, although faint. Are there a
total of five ? Are they regularly spaced, and of the same length? Are
there any before about Z 305? Do they end near the storm drain?
Are there any markers on the north side of Elm? Are there any
comparable markers on Main, or elsewhere in the Plaza? Sorry about all
the questions, but I find it interesting, and have not heard a credible
"innocent" explanation for
them.--------------------------------------------Vern
Vern Pascal
Anxious to get your video. Will order soon.
Apparently, there are as many as five yellow curb markers on the south
side of Elm. I assume none have been found on the north side. Is this
true?--------------------------Vern
Sam McClung
>
> In article <365B7B20...@flash.net>, jw...@flash.net says...
> >
>
> =>> Vern,
> =>>
> =>> I "think" it was Jack White that said they are still there but very
> =faint.
> =>> -Rick-
> =>
> =>
> =>Correct. They play a major part in proving the zfilm fake. See
> =>my video THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX.
> =>
> =>JACK
>
> Jack, there are close to a dozen yellow painted curbs in DP.
Michael, do you mean a dozen yellow painted
curb markers, or sections, as opposed to
what you said?
> Regretfully,
> you fail to mention this in your video. I fail to see how these sections of
> curb prove a conspiracy or the Z-film was faked.
I am reading this as you fail to see how these
sections of curb prove a conspiracy and also
fail to see how they prove the Z-film was faked.
Consider this, if you wish:
President Kennedy is shot in the head
from the front and the rear, within a split
second, as the Presidential limousine
passes one of the yellow curb markers
(see Zapruder frame 309 to 313 -
my messages containing Zapruder frames
309 and 356 may still be on this
newsgroup).
What was the stated purpose for those
yellow markers ever being painted on
the curbs originally?
What exact date were they first painted
on the curbs in Dealey Plaza?
> Sorry. Three sections are
> seen in the Z-film, in their proper locations.
Yes, they are where they are. Also, the two
people behind the fence on the grassy knoll
I have discovered in the Zapruder film
are in their (im)proper locations also.
You can see these people in my photo analysis
of Zapruder frame 468under the header here
titled "9 Seconds Later Behind The Fence - With
Index."
One is the shooter wearing the white cap,
whom I also discovered in the Mary Moorman
photo, as shown in my "Final Photo Analysis"
under the header here of the same name.
The Zapruder film is a valuable piece of
evidence.
So is the Moorman photo.
They are bricks in the "wall of evidence."
Sam McClung
>
> Michael Parks
Michael Parks
=>
=>Thanks, Michael;
=>
=>Guess my "spotter" didn't have his glasses on the other day. You say
=>these yellow curb markers are still vsible, although faint. Are there a
=>total of five ? Are they regularly spaced, and of the same length? Are
=>there any before about Z 305? Do they end near the storm drain?
=>Are there any markers on the north side of Elm? Are there any
=>comparable markers on Main, or elsewhere in the Plaza? Sorry about all
=>the questions, but I find it interesting, and have not heard a credible
=>"innocent" explanation for
=>them.--------------------------------------------Vern
=>
Vern, to save my butt, I can not find my figures but I'll be in DP this morning and will
remeasure them for you.
Going on memory, the was 41 feet between the east most strip and the second strip; 47 feet
between the second strip and the third. These are the 3 seen in the Z-film. The first is seen
at Z300 between Moorman and Connally. The second is seen at Z-355 behind Jackie while the third
is seen at Z-382 behind Jackie's butt. Nearer the underpass, there are 2 or 3 more. Each is a
full 60" curb section painted yellow. On the mirror curb of Commerce (the north curb) there are
the same number of strips and in roughly the same locations. Remember, this is going by memory.
In Killing Kennedy (Livingstone) plat 16 shows all three Z-strips. From the left hand edge of
the picture, measure over 3/4" and note the lighter curb section. That's the east most section.
At 3 1/2" is the second while the third is at 4 3/4". Hope this helps.
MP
Michael Parks
>
=>I am reading this as you fail to see how these
=>sections of curb prove a conspiracy and also
=>fail to see how they prove the Z-film was faked.
Good man. These sections were bright in 1963 and hard to see now. I know of no reason for them
being there. There was no 'no parking', 'no stopping', 'no standing', 'no itching', or 'no
picking' printed on any of the full sections.
=>Sam McClung
MP
Richard Vizzutti
(Michael Parks) wrote:
What about the No Assassination signs? They were taken away the next day.
-Rick-
jack white
PARKS EVIDENTLY SLEPT THROUGH MY PRESENTATION, OR HE
WOULD KNOW THE IMPORTANTCE OF THE STRIPES.
JACK
Tony Pitman
> Vern Pascal wrote:
> >
> > Sam;
> >
> > I see only two yellow curb markers, at around Z 309+ and 356. This
> is
> > the "kill zone". Judging from photos and film showing the north side
> of
> > the street (the grassy knoll side), there are no
> > visible yellow curb markers.
> >
> > Someone had mentioned, I think Rick, that these markers seen in the
> Z
> > film are still present. Someone checked for me just yesterday, and
> they
> > are no longer there, which would be expected considering
> weathering,etc.
> > For all I know they went the way of the Stemmons Freeway sign which
> was
> > removed mysteriously shortly after the assassination.
> > -----------------------------------------------Vern
>
> Another yellow strip shows around Z382 (between Hill and Jackie)
> before the storm drain. Another at Z412 on the right hand side of the
> frame.
> I notice on a copy of a "Cutler" map markings on the south side of Elm
>
> that
> seem to match the locations of the yellow marks.
>
> James
If the kill zone began at 309 do you suppose that the possible earlier
one
or two shots, excepting whatever caused the throat wound, could have
been
someone trying to warn JFK?
Throw a spanner in the works?
Tony
Michael Parks
>
>SEE MY VIDEO FOR THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE YELLOW STRIPES.
>PARKS EVIDENTLY SLEPT THROUGH MY PRESENTATION, OR HE
>WOULD KNOW THE IMPORTANTCE OF THE STRIPES.
>
>JACK
>
GIVE ME MONEY. ISN'T THAT THE WAY THE SONG GOES. JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS. STUFF YOUR
STOCKINGS WITH 14 COPIES OF MY VIDEO.
ONCE PEOPLE SEE THIS VIDEO, YOU WILL BE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE RESEARCH COMMUNITY. YOU JUST
DON'T KNOW WHEN TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND KEEP PUSHING. THAT IS A MISTAKE.
WARNING PEOPLE, SAVE YOUR MONEY. BETTER YET, BUY POSNER.
I STILL BELIEVE THE Z-FILM WAS DOCTORED. YOUR 'RESEARCH' ONLY HURT OUR CAUSE. NEVER MIND.
GIVE ME MONEY.
MP
Michael Parks
=>
=>Thanks, Michael;
=>
=>Guess my "spotter" didn't have his glasses on the other day. You say
=>these yellow curb markers are still vsible, although faint. Are there a
=>total of five ? Are they regularly spaced, and of the same length? Are
=>there any before about Z 305? Do they end near the storm drain?
=>Are there any markers on the north side of Elm? Are there any
=>comparable markers on Main, or elsewhere in the Plaza? Sorry about all
=>the questions, but I find it interesting, and have not heard a credible
=>"innocent" explanation for
=>them.--------------------------------------------Vern
=>
VERN, sorry for that last post. About the yellow painted curbs, there are 12 in DP. Six can be
found on the south side curb of Elm and 6 on the north side curb of Commerce. Three of the Elm
sections can be seen in the Z-film. These section average 60 inches long (not 48 as reported
by another researcher). If the first section was seen in Z-300, going towards the underpass,
there are 8 more sections before the next yellow one. Then, here are 8 more sections to the
last one seen in the Z-film. After this, there are 17 sections before the first of the
underpass sections. Three more sections to the fifth yellow and then 2 to the last yellow.
The sections on Commerce are almost, but not quite, a mirror-image of Elm. Hope this helps.
MP
John Ritchson
[snip]
> VERN, sorry for that last post. About the yellow painted curbs, there are 12 in DP. Six can be
> found on the south side curb of Elm and 6 on the north side curb of Commerce. Three of the Elm
> sections can be seen in the Z-film. These section average 60 inches long (not 48 as reported
> by another researcher). If the first section was seen in Z-300, going towards the underpass,
> there are 8 more sections before the next yellow one. Then, here are 8 more sections to the
> last one seen in the Z-film. After this, there are 17 sections before the first of the
> underpass sections. Three more sections to the fifth yellow and then 2 to the last yellow.
>
> The sections on Commerce are almost, but not quite, a mirror-image of Elm. Hope this helps.
>
> MP
Greetings, pardon my interjection but I'm somewhat perplexed here.
My understanding is that the purpose of yellow curbs is to designate
no-parking areas on a street that would otherwise allow parking.
However, was not Elm Street in 1963 some sort of expressway that didn't
allow parking anywhere in DP, and if so, what was the purpose of those
yellow painted curbs?
With Regard,
John Ritchson(SSGT. 499th TC USATC HG US Army Class of 69)
(GunSmith/Ballistician,Black Eagle Gun Works)
(Survivor, SE Asian Games, 11BRAVO7,Tet 1970)
************************************************************
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heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it) but
"That's Funny..." Isaac Asimov
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Vern Pascal
John says they can't be no parking areas, and yellow also signifies
loading zones (unless these were where all the snipers' rifles were off
loaded)
Seriously, anyone, my original question: is there an innocent
explanation for these markers? still has been unanswered.------Vern
Sam McClung
Vern, my questions are:
On what exact date did they originate?
What was their stated purpose when originated?
Also, consider the implications of the ones on
the curb on the north side of that other street (not Elm).
Sam
Michael Parks
lazu...@webtv.net says...
=>
=>Yes, Michael, what was/is the purpose for these yellow curb markers? As
=>John says they can't be no parking areas, and yellow also signifies
=>loading zones (unless these were where all the snipers' rifles were off
=>loaded)
=>
=>Seriously, anyone, my original question: is there an innocent
=>explanation for these markers? still has been unanswered.------Vern
=>
I have no idea. I understand they were no freshly painted before 11/22/63.
MP
Sam McClung
Michael, by "freshly painted before 11/22/63" do you mean
created right before 11-22-63, as in a few days or weeks
before 11-22-63, as opposed to months or years before
11-22-63?
Sam
Vern Pascal
You say you "understand" that the yellow curb markers were not freshly
painted prior to 11/22/63.. Do you have a source for that information?
If they were present more than a month (i.e. prior to the patsy's TSBD
employment), then the markers do have an innocent explanation, even if
we still don't know what it is. Maybe someone living in the Dallas
area could make inquiries with the city-- street maintenance records,
etc. Then we can at least put this matter behind
us.--------------------Vern
Vern Pascal
and of innocent origin and purpose. still could have been designated
during the pre-planning of the assassination as a "kill zone". That
actually makes much more sense, rather than paint a bunch of yellow
strips on curbs not only on Elm, but on Commerce, etc. as well. Don't
know what I was thinking in the first
place!---------------------------------Vern
Sam McClung
> It occurred to me that certain of these markers, already in existence,
> and of innocent origin and purpose. still could have been designated
> during the pre-planning of the assassination as a "kill zone".
Vern, a sniper does not need audible interference from a radio or to
be distracted by someone relaying to the sniper what is said over a radio
when the target is in sight.
The sniper's focus would be on what is seen, ultimately in the scope.
The birght yellow curb markers would be unmistakable visual markers.
It appears any evidence of when the markers were created may
be lost forever.
Maybe someone has photos of Dealey Plaza from 1963
before 11-22-63 either showing or not showing the markers.
In any event, they would have been unmistakable visual markers.
Sam
jack white
>
> It occurred to me that certain of these markers, already in existence,
> and of innocent origin and purpose. still could have been designated
> actually makes much more sense, rather than paint a bunch of yellow
> strips on curbs not only on Elm, but on Commerce, etc. as well. Don't
> know what I was thinking in the first
> place!---------------------------------Vern
EVIDENCE MAY EMERGE THAT THESE MARKINGS WERE PAINTED
ON 11-22-63.
JACK
Sam McClung
Whoa ! That will be extremely interesting evidence!
Sam
Martin Shackelford
Take a look at the curb marks in the Atkins film, which offers the
clearest view of them on November 22, 1963. It is also noteworthy that
they weren't just on Elm Street, but on the other streets in the Plaza.
There is no indication they had anything to do with the Kennedy
assassination.
Martin
Martin Shackelford
evidence for this claim?
Martin
Martin Shackelford
spent his career in advertising. He is good at promotion and "sneak previews"
and implying more than he later is able to deliver. Keep an eye on this claim,
and see what develops.
Martin
Sam McClung wrote:
> jack white wrote:
>
> > Vern Pascal wrote:
> > >
> > > It occurred to me that certain of these markers, already in existence,
> > > and of innocent origin and purpose. still could have been designated
> > > during the pre-planning of the assassination as a "kill zone". That
> > > actually makes much more sense, rather than paint a bunch of yellow
> > > strips on curbs not only on Elm, but on Commerce, etc. as well. Don't
> > > know what I was thinking in the first
> > > place!---------------------------------Vern
> >
> > EVIDENCE MAY EMERGE THAT THESE MARKINGS WERE PAINTED
> > ON 11-22-63.
> >
> > JACK
>
Michael Parks
>
>Evidence "may emerge" of tens of thousands of things, Jack. Do you HAVE any
>evidence for this claim?
>
>Martin
>
Martin the evidence points to four 'kill zones'. You have the three yellow
curb sections seen in the Z-film, and the three on the same side of Elm near
the underpass. If they did not get JFK in either of these two spots, they
were to make a U-turn onto Commerce and use the two sets of three yellow curb
sections there.
(Someone will take this seriously, I'm sure.)
MP
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
I love it, you rascal.<g>
Purples off to you!
Barb :-)
>
Leo Sgouros
Barb Junkkarinen
Sudden Backtrack Theory. Gee, leo, maybe they've been right all
along....he was only hit from the rear...they just forgot to mention
that the car was headed east instead of west at the time.<g>
Barb :-)
>
>
>
Leo Sgouros
Barb Junkkarinen wrote in message <366a4c89...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
8^)-=+{emotimoiduh}
Sam McClung
> In article <36692B8B...@concentric.net>, msh...@concentric.net says...
> >
> >Evidence "may emerge" of tens of thousands of things, Jack. Do you HAVE any
> >evidence for this claim?
> >
> >Martin
> >
>
> Martin the evidence points to four 'kill zones'. You have the three yellow
> curb sections seen in the Z-film, and the three on the same side of Elm near
> the underpass. If they did not get JFK in either of these two spots, they
> were to make a U-turn onto Commerce and use the two sets of three yellow curb
> sections there.
>
> (Someone will take this seriously, I'm sure.)
>
> MP
Actually, an interesting question arose while reading your post here Michael.
Did Chauncey Holt have yellow paint and stencils in the trunk of his
1961 Oldsmobile behind the fence on the grassy knoll on 11-22-63?
Sam
Vern Pascal
You should all be pulled over to the curb and issued a
citation.---------Not for an illegal U-turn, but for promulgating a bad
joke.--------------Vern