It's 2002, & Bob Jackson Still Can't Say Why No Pix of JFK's Assassin
dcwi...@netscape.net
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>Donald,
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>I've known Bob for years. He saw the rifle after the last shot.
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>The telephoto lens camera around his neck had no film, that's why there
>was no photo. The printed version of the Dallas Morning News story
>included a close-up photo of Jackson in the motorcade on Main Street and
>the camera was around his neck then, too.
>
>By the time he grabbed his other camera, the one with the wide angle lens,
>the rifle had been pulled back in.
>
>Gary Mack
>
Gary, I'm afraid you have Jackson's Warren Commission testimony exactly
reversed. In fact, with your switcheroo, you actually wind up making an
excellent, if accidental case for the existence of a Bob Jackson photo of the
rifle in the window: "There was no photo," you say, because the "telephoto lens
camera around his neck had no film.... By the time he grabbed his other camera,
the one with the wide angle lens, the rifle had been pulled back in." Terrif!
But the "camera around his neck" DID have film:
Jackson: "I had thrown my film out to this reporter over the side of the car as
we rounded the corner & I still had the camera lying in my lap, & THE OTHER ONE
WAS AROUND MY NECK." (v2p164)
In other words, the empty, telephoto lens camera was lying in his lap; the
loaded, wide-angle-lens camera was around his neck. But his testimony here
actually goes even further. Here it is in full:
Ford: "At the time you heard the first shot, what was your position in the car?
Were you standing or sitting?"
Jackson: "I was sitting on the back of the seat, on the right-hand side of the
back seat, sitting up."
Ford: "Did you have your camera in your hand?"
Jackson: "Yes. I had one camera around my neck & the camera I had just
emptied, it was in my lap. I had thrown my film out...."
"Did you have your camera in your hand?" "Yes." Jackson, then, had a loaded
camera in his hand. He heard 3 shots, then saw a rifle "drawn fairly slowly
back into the building" (p159). He did not have to scramble around trying to
locate the camera with the film; all he had to do was aim & click. He had to
have gotten at least one shot of the slowly-drawn-back rifle. To rephrase your
sentence:
The wide angle lens camera around his neck had film, that's why there was a
photo. If there was a loaded camera around his neck--IN HIS HAND--there was at
least one photo.... Talk to Bob again.
dw
Gary Mack
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There's no need, for my "switcheroo" has no bearing on what actually
happened. Jackson had his telephoto lens camera around his neck within a
few blocks of Dealey Plaza (the overhead view of him in Trask on page 437 is
the same picture that ran in the recent Dallas Morning News story.) That
was the camera that was out of film and Jackson had, indeed, unloaded it and
included that roll and others in the package he tossed to Dallas Times
Herald reporter Jim Featherston at Main & Houston in their pre-arranged
plan. Jackson and the others in his car - as can be seen in the Robert
Hughes film - were watching Featherston scramble after the dropped package.
Seconds later, while the photographers were turned away from the TSBD, the
first shot was fired.
As Jackson testified, and told many times over the years, he saw the black
guys in a window and a rifle in the window above them, then saw the rifle
being withdrawn. He grabbed for his telephoto lens camera, then realized it
had no film. He then grabbed his wide angle lens camera, which was around
his neck by the time he reached Dealey Plaza, but it was too late. He could
see nothing and concentrated, instead, on the commotion in and around the
motorcade in front of him.
For you or anyone to suggest that Jackson got a picture of the TSBD and has
lied about doing so and kept the picture hidden is just ridiculous.
Here's the background on the recent Dallas Morning News story, which was my
suggestion. News reporter Michael Granberry and I collaborated for weeks,
tracking down people at both newspapers and elsewhere who knew Jackson or
Jack Beers. Several people in the local news media, including Jackson,
recounted knowing at the time how distraught he was over missing out on
getting a picture of the gun in the window. It still bothers Bob that he
was too slow when it counted, but he made up for it - he feels, as explained
in the story - by his classic picture of Ruby shooting Oswald.
Gary Mack
dcwi...@netscape.net
I isolate the following to show how LNers (as well as witnesses) change their
stories, the better apparently to protect the Warren Commission's sanitized
conclusions. Remember that "too late," just days ago, meant that the wide angle
lens camera was lying in Jackson's lap. Now, altho Jackson is seen to have
testified that he had the loaded camera IN HIS HAND, Gary has him somehow
grabbing for *another* camera, & it's "too late" again. Next, look for Gary &
John to explain away Jackson's lost statement from 11/22/63 (v19 p527).... I
think it is pretty safe to say that there is a connection between the
disappearance of said statement & Jackson's continued inability to explain why
he did not take at least one picture with the camera which was in his hand.
dw
**** >He grabbed for his telephoto lens camera, then realized it
>had no film. He then grabbed his wide angle lens camera, which was around
>his neck by the time he reached Dealey Plaza, but it was too late.
****
Walt
Mack..... Why don't you forget about postin in this NG.... You have
about as much credibility as .John.... Simply because you know some
of the people who were in Dealey Plaza that day you accept their words
and you think you know things that nobody else knows. There are TWO
"Dillard" photos ( I'm not talkin about Dillard's T photo and the wide
angle) that were snapped almost simultaneously and from almost the
same exact location on the Houston street.... One of those photos
shows a bullet streak across it . Which means it was snapped DURING
the shooting and there is NOBODY in the S.N. window during the
shooting.....
Walt
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mikesm...@hotmail.com says...
>
>Bonsoir Jerry,
>
>I see what you mean. And it seems to me that the proper way of
>investigating the murder of a president is to look for hard, physical
>evidence. So far, Donald has not done so. I know that Donald is bright
>man, so I expect him to be more serious. I have always liked his style of
>writing and is very interested to read. He has the talent to write a book
>on the JFK assassination.
Denis -- Thank you for your words, both the kind & the prodding. I'll try to
touch on your several recent posts right here. First, no, I don't believe
Jackson ever explained why he did not at least get a photo of an empty window,
even if the rifle had been withdrawn. Why do I believe that he did get at least
one photo of the TSBD? He was the first in the camera car to spot the rifle, &
as he testified he had a loaded camera in his hand. Even if he were a little
slow, I'd expect that he would have *tried* to get a shot of the rifle, even if
he were a second too late. We should at least have a Jackson photo of an empty
window! More than that, though, I think we should actually have a photo of the
rifle itself, which as he testified was "slowly" withdrawn. And one document to
which I have previously referred suggests that we might have a photo of even
more than that:
"Bob Jackson... is reported to have seen THE RIFLE and THE MAN THAT FIRED THE
SHOTS AS THE SHOTS WERE FIRED. This information from Sgt WGJennings...." (v19
p517)
If this is true, then Jackson got a photo of "the man that fired the shots."
But as I've noted, his inability to explain his failure to get a pic of the
TSBD, & the disappearance of his 11/22 statement suggest that Jackson got a shot
of a man, a rifle, or a window which undercut the official story.
And in one instance, I can't say that I myself unearthed a piece of hard
evidence which suggests conspiracy & cover-up, but Dale Myers did--tho he didn't
realize it--& it's on page 161 of his 'With Malice'. He pooh poohs the
testimony of Tippit witness Helen Markham's son for the HSCA, in which he said
that his mother saw the killer flee down the alley off Patton (p216). The
killer most certainly took Jefferson, not Patton [many witnesses here, plus
Patrolman Summers' radio message], so Markham's story suggests a 2nd shooter, or
at least (as I believe) a 2nd man with a gun, tho not a shooter.
Myers insists that there's no contemporary evidence that a gunman fled down the
alley, but Officers Poe & Jez did a report 11/22 which concluded, "There were
approximately 6 to 8 witnesses, all telling officers that the subject was
running west in the alley between 10th & Jefferson streets." (Myers p487)
Again, all credit to Myers for unearthing this remarkable document, but the most
telling one is Sgt Barnes' sketch of the crime scene (p161), which maps only
10th St., Patton, & the alley, & notes, "W on alley to Crawford left on Crawford
to E Jefferson 300 blk -- W on Jefferson to Texas Theater." He's documenting
the apparent shooter's escape route--the alley, not Jefferson. Look at the
photos pp150-153: There are Poe, Jez, & Barnes, all listening to... Helen
Markham. In 1977, Markham was saying "alley"; in 1963, she was saying "alley."
And Poe Jez & Barnes heard "alley." Who was their shooter, or gunman? The
Barnes sketch validates Markham's son's '77 testimony.
And I like to think that I have uncovered hard evidence of a cover-up in
Dealey--the Sawyer Exhibits, in which Insp Sawyer is transcribed as saying the
hulls were found on the 5th floor (all other transcriptions say "3rd", which may
seem to be in error, but that is apparently what he said, & a transcription is a
transcription, not an interpretation)... someone other than Sgt Hill is
transcribed as saying that the Tippit killer used an automatic & that they have
a witness in a squad car... and Officer Clyde Haygood is transcribed as saying
(at 12:37) that the shots came from the 2nd window from the end, & Officer
Brewer is transcribed as saying (at 12:38) I'll leave the witness here. Did
dispatcher/transcriber Henslee simply make a lot of typos? No, it's a little
more than that, because Sawyer, Hill, Haygood & Brewer all "corroborated"
Henslee's errors when they went before the WC. And the WC used *only* Henslee's
transcription when talking to the Dallas Police, tho other, better ones were
made available in '64.
Sgt Hill, for instance, denied making both the "automatic" call *and* the call
in which he said he had a witness in his car. Haygood testified he made the
"2nd window" call, when officer 22--Patrolman Leonard Hill--can clearly be
heard, on the radio tapes, making it. And in "First Day Evidence," Gary Savage
again transcribes (Patrolman) Hill as making the "I'll leave the witness here"
call generally attributed to Brewer. It was actually "witnesses," & Hill left
them where they were, near the triple underpass. (Haygood testified that he
sent them to the depository.) This checks with witness James Tague, who
confirmed when I talked to him that Hill left him there, with an admonition to
go to city hall to talk to police.
What was being covered-up here? Hard to say for sure, since the LLHill
transmissions involve the "2nd window," Tague, & Charles Brehm, hot potatoes
all. As is pretty well known, I place my main money on the window, since the
witness/contact is still unknown, tho it may have been (back to the beginning of
these ruminations) Jackson himself, whose testimony was curiously cut off at the
point at which he jumped out in Dealey, near Hill & the triple underpass....
dw
>jer...@my-deja.com (GMcNally) wrote in message
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>>mikesm...@hotmail.com (Denis Morissette) wrote in message
>>news:<59b0d1e4.02071...@posting.google.com>...
>> > Donald, how all your saying proves that Jackson took a photo? You claim he
>> > did take one. Are you 100% sure about it? You have not shown any evidence
>> > yet. When will you?
>>
>> Bonjour Denis,
>>
>> DW uses the classic CT line "it doesn't make sense [to me]" -
>> therefore, the man must have been lying.
>>
>> The CT believe that things should invariably happy as *they expect*.
>> So if something happens otherwise orwitness say or behave some other
>> way then they expect, they conclude that some conspiracy must have
>> occurred.
>>
>> Using this approach - "it doesn't make sense" - DW has concluded that
>> nearly everybody in Dallas lied as part of a massive conspiracy.
>>
>> Jerry
SNIP
Denis Morissette
> In article <59b0d1e4.02071...@posting.google.com>,
> mikesm...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >Bonsoir Jerry,
> >
> >I see what you mean. And it seems to me that the proper way of
> >investigating the murder of a president is to look for hard, physical
> >evidence. So far, Donald has not done so. I know that Donald is bright
> >man, so I expect him to be more serious. I have always liked his style of
> >writing and is very interested to read. He has the talent to write a book
> >on the JFK assassination.
>
>
> Denis -- Thank you for your words, both the kind & the prodding.
All my words were sincere.
I'll try to > touch on your several recent posts right here. First,
no, I don't believe > Jackson ever explained why he did not at least
get a photo of an empty window, > even if the rifle had been
withdrawn. Why do I believe that he did get at least one photo of the
TSBD? He was the first in the camera car to spot the rifle, & as he
testified he had a loaded camera in his hand. Even if he were a
little slow, I'd expect that he would have *tried* to get a shot of
the rifle, even if he were a second too late. We should at least have
a Jackson photo of an empty window!
I am not interested in what you believe. The proper way of
investigating the murder of a president is to look at physical
evidence. So far, you have provided nothing supporting the existence
of a photo. All you have is a belief.
More than that, though, I think we should actually have a photo of
the rifle itself, which as he testified was "slowly" withdrawn. And
one document to which I have previously referred suggests that we
might have a photo of even more than that:
> "Bob Jackson... is reported to have seen THE RIFLE and THE MAN THAT FIRED THE
> SHOTS AS THE SHOTS WERE FIRED. This information from Sgt WGJennings...." (v19
> p517)
>
> If this is true, then Jackson got a photo of "the man that fired the shots."
Nothing in this document proves the existence of a photo. Does it say,
"Bob Jackson took a photo"?
> But as I've noted, his inability to explain his failure to get a pic of the
> TSBD, & the disappearance of his 11/22 statement suggest that Jackson got a shot of a man, a rifle, or a window which undercut the official story.
I would be most interested in getting my hand on that document too. It
might surface someday.
Walt
"Denis Morissette" <mikesm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> dcwi...@netscape.net wrote in message
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> > In article <59b0d1e4.02071...@posting.google.com>,
> > mikesm...@hotmail.com says...
> > >
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the murder of a president is to look at physical evidence. So far, you have
provided nothing supporting the existence of a photo. All you have is a
belief.
On the contrary Dennis.....There IS supporting evidence that "Somebody" (
Jackson??) in addition to Tom Dillard snapped a photo of the face of of the
TSBD.
The second photo is so close to being identical to the Dillard photo that it
is very difficult to tell them apart.
One of those photos shows a bullet track across it....
That bullet track means the photo was snapped DURING the shooting AND it
completely refutes the Warren Commission's decree because that photo shows
there is NOBODY in the window at the time of the shooting.
Walt
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tuchd...@yahoo.com says...
>
>I isolate the following to show how CTers read what they want into
>things.
>
>DCWillis quoted Jackson's testimony:
> Ford: "Did you have your camera in your hand?"
> Jackson: "Yes. I had one camera around my neck & the camera
>I had just emptied, it was in my lap. I had thrown my film
>out...."
>
>
>
> "Jackson, then, had a loaded camera in his hand."
> "If there was a loaded camera around his neck--IN HIS
>HAND--there was at least one photo"
>
>never specifies which camera was in his hand, the empty one in his lap or
>the loaded one around his neck. Willis for some reason, as shown in his
>quotes above assumes Jackson had the loaded camera around his neck in his
>hand even though the testimony does not specify which one was in his hand.
>Seems to me you can't just guess which camera he meant when he aswered yes
>to the question. If you did guess, it would actually seem more logical to
>be holding the camera in the lap to keep it from falling, the one around
>the neck was supported by a strap and not likely to end up on the
>floorboard.
>
Well, it seems that Gary assumed the same thing I did--that the w.a. lens camera
was in his hand, since he wrote "[Jackson] grabbed for his telephoto lens
camera, then realized it had no film...." If something's in your hand, you
don't have to grab for it....
dw
>
>dcwi...@netscape.net wrote in message news:<agupl...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>> stories, the better apparently to protect the Warren Commission's sanitized
>>conclusions. Remember that "too late," just days ago, meant that the wide angle
>> lens camera was lying in Jackson's lap. Now, altho Jackson is seen to have
>> testified that he had the loaded camera IN HIS HAND, Gary has him somehow
>>grabbing for *another* camera, & it's "too late" again. Next, look for Gary &
>> John to explain away Jackson's lost statement from 11/22/63 (v19 p527).... I
>> think it is pretty safe to say that there is a connection between the
>>disappearance of said statement & Jackson's continued inability to explain why
>> he did not take at least one picture with the camera which was in his hand.
>> dw
>>
>> >had no film. He then grabbed his wide angle lens camera, which was around
>> >his neck by the time he reached Dealey Plaza, but it was too late.
Denis Morissette
Walt, where is that photo? In which book?
Denis Morissette
Walt, the photo you emailed me is the one taken by Tom Dillard, the
one with the best view of the black men on the 5th floor. Why do you
refer to it as if someone else took it? ("Somebody (Jackson?) snapped
the face of the TSBD"). And where do you see "a bullet track across
it"?
Walt
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> "Walt" <Papakoc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Denis Morissette" <mikesm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > dcwi...@netscape.net wrote in message
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> > > > In article <59b0d1e4.02071...@posting.google.com>,
> > > > mikesm...@hotmail.com says...
> > > > >
> > >
Are you sure?? How do you know that?? I told you there are TWO nearly
identical photos that are BOTH called the "Dillard photo".
> one with the best view of the black men on the 5th floor. Why do you refer
to it as if someone else took it?
I didn't..... I merely sent you one of the TWO photos
("Somebody (Jackson?) snapped the face of the TSBD").
And where do you see "a bullet track across it"?
Open your eyes... You'll see it.
Walt
Denis Morissette
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> > > > dcwi...@netscape.net wrote in message
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> > > > > In article <59b0d1e4.02071...@posting.google.com>,
> > > > > mikesm...@hotmail.com says...
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > Walt, the photo you emailed me is the one taken by Tom Dillard, .....
>
> Are you sure?? How do you know that?? I told you there are TWO nearly
> identical photos that are BOTH called the "Dillard photo".
>
> > one with the best view of the black men on the 5th floor. Why do you refer
> to it as if someone else took it?
>
> I didn't..... I merely sent you one of the TWO photos
>
Denis Morissette
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> > > > dcwi...@netscape.net wrote in message
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> > > > > In article <59b0d1e4.02071...@posting.google.com>,
> > > > > mikesm...@hotmail.com says...
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > Walt, the photo you emailed me is the one taken by Tom Dillard, .....
>
> Are you sure?? How do you know that?? I told you there are TWO nearly
> identical photos that are BOTH called the "Dillard photo".
>
> > one with the best view of the black men on the 5th floor. Why do you refer
> to it as if someone else took it?
>
> I didn't..... I merely sent you one of the TWO photos
>
> ("Somebody (Jackson?) snapped the face of the TSBD").
> And where do you see "a bullet track across it"?
>
> Open your eyes... You'll see it.
>
> Walt
There is no bullet track in the photo. It is either A) You have a copy
of the Dillard photo several generations from the original B) You need
vacations C) You need the services provided by this organisation:
www.institutefortheblind.com
Walt
Let's see if I can make sense of your convoluted "reasoning". I CAN see
the vapor trail left by the bullet but YOU can't.... And you think I need to
see someone affiliated with the institute for the blind????
I'm not here to take you by the hand.... I know what the photo shows .... If
you wish to keep your head tucked that's your perogative....
Walt
Denis Morissette
The photo you emailed me shows a white trail starting from the bottom
part of the window on the 6th floor -on the extreme left of the photo-
extending to the right of the photo. Does that "vapor trail" show on
the original photo? Do you have any scientific evidence proving that
such a trail could be seen on a photo?
Denis Morissette
trail in the photo.
> I'm not here to take you by the hand.... I know what the photo shows .... If
> you wish to keep your head tucked that's your perogative....
>
> Walt
Poor AH.
Walt
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> > > > > > > > In article
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> > > > > > > > mikesm...@hotmail.com says...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
>
of the window on the 6th floor -on the extreme left of the photo- extending
to the right of the photo. Does that "vapor trail" show on the original
photo? Do you have any scientific evidence proving that
> such a trail could be seen on a photo?
Absolutely.... Ask any military or police photographer.
There are many military photos that show bullet tracks across them....
But now that you've seen the track..... I'd suggest that you talk to a
person who has experienced the sounds and effects of a bullet striking very
near them. After that read the affidavits and testimonies of the three
black men ( Jarman, Willams, and Norman ) who were on the fifth floor of the
TSBD during the shooting. Pay particular attention to their statements that
pieces of BRICK and CEMENT ( not dust ) fell on Bonnie Ray Williams head.
When you've done that I'll send you a photograph showing a pockmak left by
the bullet that struck the ledge EXACTLY as you see it in the "Dillard"
photo.
Walt
Walt
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> > > > > > > > > In article
> <59b0d1e4.02071...@posting.google.com>,
> > > > > > > > > mikesm...@hotmail.com says...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > The photo you emailed me shows a white trail starting from the bottom
part of the window on the 6th floor -on the extreme left of the photo-
extending to the right of the photo.
You've reversed the trajectory.... The bullet that left that track was
traveling from right to left and from a lower elevation.....
Walt
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>> I isolate the following to show how CTers read what they want into
>> things.
>>
>> DCWillis quoted Jackson's testimony:
>> Jackson: "Yes. I had one camera around my neck & the camera
>> I had just emptied, it was in my lap. I had thrown my film
>> out...."
>>
>>
>>
>> "If there was a loaded camera around his neck--IN HIS
>>
>> Unless some relevant portion of Jackson's testimony was left out, Jackson
>> never specifies which camera was in his hand, the empty one in his lap or
>> the loaded one around his neck. Willis for some reason, as shown in his
>> quotes above assumes Jackson had the loaded camera around his neck in his
>> hand even though the testimony does not specify which one was in his hand.
>> Seems to me you can't just guess which camera he meant when he aswered yes
>> to the question. If you did guess, it would actually seem more logical to
>> be holding the camera in the lap to keep it from falling, the one around
>> the neck was supported by a strap and not likely to end up on the
>> floorboard.
>
>a long time camera user (often carrying two or more at a time), I can say
>that I've placed an open camera on my lap to reload it hundreds of times.
>Quite often during the reloading process, I've held on to the camera, even
>though it was also lying on my lap. My honest first reaction to Jackson's
>statement was that he had one camera (apparently loaded) hanging around his
>neck and was in the process of reloading the camera in his lap (having just
>tossed film to his partner suggests the camera had already been opened,
>unloaded and was lying in his lap for reloading). Certainly, the process of
>rewinding, opening, unloading, getting another roll out to load, etc. could
>cause one to miss a shot that was only available for a moment or two. That's
>how I read Jackson's statement, FWLIW.
>--
>John Hill (joisa)
>
John -- A very fair appraisal of the situation. I took Jackson's "Yes" (to
Ford's question, "Did you have your camera in your hand?") to apply to "one
camera around my neck" because the latter was the one he referred to immediately
after the "Yes." Not necessarily, true, I admit. And your comments re
rewinding etc. might, yes, be the scenario behind Jackson's original It happened
too fast. But *he* has never provided such a scenario. The only 2 he has
apparently provided have been (a) the wide angle lens was no good [altho Dillard
used both of *his* cameras, inc. the one with the w.a.l., both *after* Jackson
spotted the rifle, & had had a chance to grab for 6 different cameras], & (b),
now, this year, that he "had no time to reload." Neither is an explanation of
"too fast." The wal would have been fine; he had a loaded camera around his
neck.
Finally, Jackson was apparently not in the unloading/rewinding process, or he
would not have been the first to spot the rifle. The closest approximation we
have of his situation at the critical moment is the photo on p437 of Trask:
Jackson is sitting up, telephoto-lens camera in hand, looking *up* & around.
Mutatis mutandis (necessary changes being made, thank you WFBuckley), he's now
on Houston, still looking up, now with the *w.a.lens* camera in his hand, or
perhaps only around his neck, but he's ready to shoot, certainly prepared enuf
to get off a shot or 2 by the time the belated Dillard got his shot his 2....
dw
Denis Morissette
> > The photo you emailed me shows a white trail starting from the bottom part
> of the window on the 6th floor -on the extreme left of the photo- extending
> to the right of the photo. Does that "vapor trail" show on the original
> photo? Do you have any scientific evidence proving that
> > such a trail could be seen on a photo?
>
> Absolutely.... Ask any military or police photographer.
> There are many military photos that show bullet tracks across them....
>
> But now that you've seen the track..... I'd suggest that you talk to a
> person who has experienced the sounds and effects of a bullet striking very
> near them. After that read the affidavits and testimonies of the three
> black men ( Jarman, Willams, and Norman ) who were on the fifth floor of the
> TSBD during the shooting. Pay particular attention to their statements that
> pieces of BRICK and CEMENT ( not dust ) fell on Bonnie Ray Williams head.
>
> When you've done that I'll send you a photograph showing a pockmak left by
> the bullet that struck the ledge EXACTLY as you see it in the "Dillard"
> photo.
>
> Walt
Send me the photo of the pockmak, please.