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Ben Holmes
Sep 28, 2018, 10:14:38 AM9/28/18
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>Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
>who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
>squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
>whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
>
>Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
>at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
>that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
>a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
>male and female!"
I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
Coast Marine Rifle Team.
And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
The Warren Commission argued that Oswald had used the scope, it's
amusing that this poster calls the Commission liars on this point.
(Chuckles undoubtedly agrees!)
But why bother whining that "country folk" could duplicate the shots?
We have the record from three NRA rated Masters, who couldn't
duplicate the alleged shooting from half the height, and at stationary
targets. Since when are "country folk" suddenly better than the
highest qualifications one can achieve?
And as an added side note - former Marines are, by tradition, referred
to as "former" Marines, never as "ex" Marines. But don't take my word
for it, go ask any Marine... there's Marine recruiters in most larger
cities... have the courage to ask.
>CTs only show stupendous ignorance claiming that an exMarine
>was incompetent to make those shots inside Dealey Plaza.
This is undoubtedly stated by someone who never served in the Marine
Corps, and never fired the same courses of qualification as Oswald
did... and has no real experience with what those scores mean as far
as real ability with the rifle.
And *still* hasn't figured out that vastly more qualified shooters
couldn't make those shots.
> LHO spent two years in the Soviet Union as a Communist worker and
>member of the local "hunting club" to maintain his shooting skill.
What the poster fails to mention is any commentary from those in that
hunting club on Oswald's actual shooting ability.
There's a good reason why this information was dishonesty omitted.
It would have contradicted the story our poster was trying to tell.
>There can be no doubt the KGB was well aware of every member
>of that "club" and Spetsnaz probably had something to do with it
>too.
ROTFLMAO!!! This is so INCREDIBLY stupid and a clearly biased attempt
to build up the actual record that the original poster *should* hang
his head in shame!
I think I'll start speculating that the rifle team I was on was filled
with Olympic level shooters, and CIA assassins. It would be just as
credible as the poster's claim.
> So it's very likely LHO came back to the USA well trained to
>fire a military rifle at a human size target at any range, just like he
>did in the USMC.
He did average to poor in the Corps, and had *ZERO* provable shooting
practice after his return to the U.S.
You have to be a believer to post nonsense and stupidity as bad as
this post. You have to be even *MORE* stupid to defend the lies told
in this post.
But Puddles will try, and Chuckles will run.
>who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
>squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
>whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
>
>Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
>at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
>that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
>a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
>male and female!"
I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
Coast Marine Rifle Team.
And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
The Warren Commission argued that Oswald had used the scope, it's
amusing that this poster calls the Commission liars on this point.
(Chuckles undoubtedly agrees!)
But why bother whining that "country folk" could duplicate the shots?
We have the record from three NRA rated Masters, who couldn't
duplicate the alleged shooting from half the height, and at stationary
targets. Since when are "country folk" suddenly better than the
highest qualifications one can achieve?
And as an added side note - former Marines are, by tradition, referred
to as "former" Marines, never as "ex" Marines. But don't take my word
for it, go ask any Marine... there's Marine recruiters in most larger
cities... have the courage to ask.
>CTs only show stupendous ignorance claiming that an exMarine
>was incompetent to make those shots inside Dealey Plaza.
This is undoubtedly stated by someone who never served in the Marine
Corps, and never fired the same courses of qualification as Oswald
did... and has no real experience with what those scores mean as far
as real ability with the rifle.
And *still* hasn't figured out that vastly more qualified shooters
couldn't make those shots.
> LHO spent two years in the Soviet Union as a Communist worker and
>member of the local "hunting club" to maintain his shooting skill.
What the poster fails to mention is any commentary from those in that
hunting club on Oswald's actual shooting ability.
There's a good reason why this information was dishonesty omitted.
It would have contradicted the story our poster was trying to tell.
>There can be no doubt the KGB was well aware of every member
>of that "club" and Spetsnaz probably had something to do with it
>too.
ROTFLMAO!!! This is so INCREDIBLY stupid and a clearly biased attempt
to build up the actual record that the original poster *should* hang
his head in shame!
I think I'll start speculating that the rifle team I was on was filled
with Olympic level shooters, and CIA assassins. It would be just as
credible as the poster's claim.
> So it's very likely LHO came back to the USA well trained to
>fire a military rifle at a human size target at any range, just like he
>did in the USMC.
He did average to poor in the Corps, and had *ZERO* provable shooting
practice after his return to the U.S.
You have to be a believer to post nonsense and stupidity as bad as
this post. You have to be even *MORE* stupid to defend the lies told
in this post.
But Puddles will try, and Chuckles will run.
donald willis
Sep 28, 2018, 1:36:09 PM9/28/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 7:14:38 AM UTC-7, Ben Holmes wrote:
> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> >
> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> >male and female!"
>
>
> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> Coast Marine Rifle Team.
>
> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
Let's see what the opposition has to say about this!
> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> >
> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> >male and female!"
>
>
> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> Coast Marine Rifle Team.
>
> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
dcw
Bud
Sep 28, 2018, 5:30:21 PM9/28/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> >
> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> >male and female!"
>
>
> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> Coast Marine Rifle Team.
>
> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
"Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> >
> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> >male and female!"
>
>
> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> Coast Marine Rifle Team.
>
> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
And notice Beb misdirects to other people`s shooting, and away from the actual event. Does he see it as difficult to hit a target from these distances?
> The Warren Commission argued that Oswald had used the scope, it's
> amusing that this poster calls the Commission liars on this point.
> (Chuckles undoubtedly agrees!)
>
> But why bother whining that "country folk" could duplicate the shots?
> We have the record from three NRA rated Masters,
> who couldn't
> duplicate the alleged shooting from half the height, and at stationary
> targets.
Lets say a hunter shoots a deer. And lets say you get three experts to try to duplicate the hunters shooting, and although all three hit the deer, they do so in ways different than the hunter. Does this mean the hunter did not shoot the deer?
> Since when are "country folk" suddenly better than the
> highest qualifications one can achieve?
>
> And as an added side note - former Marines are, by tradition, referred
> to as "former" Marines, never as "ex" Marines. But don't take my word
> for it, go ask any Marine... there's Marine recruiters in most larger
> cities... have the courage to ask.
>
>
> >CTs only show stupendous ignorance claiming that an exMarine
> >was incompetent to make those shots inside Dealey Plaza.
>
>
> This is undoubtedly stated by someone who never served in the Marine
> Corps, and never fired the same courses of qualification as Oswald
> did... and has no real experience with what those scores mean as far
> as real ability with the rifle.
>
> And *still* hasn't figured out that vastly more qualified shooters
> couldn't make those shots.
Bud
Sep 28, 2018, 5:33:01 PM9/28/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 1:36:09 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 7:14:38 AM UTC-7, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > >
> > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > >male and female!"
> >
> >
> > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> >
> > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
>
> Let's see what the opposition has to say about this!
At that point in time when Oswald shot "Marksman" he was going through the motions, doing just enough to keep his superiors off his back. It is unknown whether this score truly reflected his shooting ability.
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 7:14:38 AM UTC-7, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > >
> > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > >male and female!"
> >
> >
> > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> >
> > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
>
> Let's see what the opposition has to say about this!
chucksch...@gmail.com
Sep 28, 2018, 6:06:53 PM9/28/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> >
> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> >male and female!"
>
>
> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
Prove you were a Marine.
> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> >
> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> >male and female!"
>
>
> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> Coast Marine Rifle Team.
>
> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
Whether Oswald was the world's best shot or hadn't picked up his rifle since taking a shot at Walker is irrelevant. He was seen in the SN, there's all sorts of evidence that links him to the rifle, and JFK is dead.
> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
donald willis
Sep 28, 2018, 6:40:35 PM9/28/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > >
> > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > >male and female!"
> >
> >
> > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> >
> > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
>
> "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
But Bud will take his personal time machine back and interview Oswald to find out if he was indeed NOT doing his best! And, if not, why, for god's sake....
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > >
> > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > >male and female!"
> >
> >
> > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> >
> > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
>
> "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
Ben Holmes
Sep 28, 2018, 7:19:25 PM9/28/18
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 15:06:52 -0700 (PDT), chucksch...@gmail.com
wrote:
>On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
>> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
>> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
>> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
>> >
>> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
>> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
>> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
>> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
>> >male and female!"
>>
>>
>> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
>
>
>Prove you were a Marine.
I have *my* DD214, do you?
>> who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
>> Coast Marine Rifle Team.
>
>Prove you were on the team.
Recorded in my SRB.
>> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
>> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
>> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
>
> Whether Oswald was the world's best shot or hadn't picked up his
> rifle since taking a shot at Walker is irrelevant. He was seen in the
> SN, there's all sorts of evidence that links him to the rifle, and JFK
> is dead.
Begging the question.
Got anything else, coward?
wrote:
>On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
>> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
>> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
>> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
>> >
>> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
>> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
>> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
>> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
>> >male and female!"
>>
>>
>> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
>
>
>Prove you were a Marine.
>> who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
>> Coast Marine Rifle Team.
>
>Prove you were on the team.
>> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
>> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
>> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
>
> Whether Oswald was the world's best shot or hadn't picked up his
> rifle since taking a shot at Walker is irrelevant. He was seen in the
> SN, there's all sorts of evidence that links him to the rifle, and JFK
> is dead.
Got anything else, coward?
Bud
Sep 28, 2018, 7:32:24 PM9/28/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > >
> > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > >male and female!"
> > >
> > >
> > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> > >
> > > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
> >
> > "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
>
> But Bud will take his personal time machine back and interview Oswald to find out if he was indeed NOT doing his best! And, if not, why, for god's sake....
It doesn`t seem like he was applying himself o any of his military duties at this point in his career, why would you assume shooting would be any different?
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > >
> > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > >male and female!"
> > >
> > >
> > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> > >
> > > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
> >
> > "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
>
> But Bud will take his personal time machine back and interview Oswald to find out if he was indeed NOT doing his best! And, if not, why, for god's sake....
donald willis
Sep 28, 2018, 10:06:08 PM9/28/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > > >
> > > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > > >male and female!"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > > > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > > > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> > > >
> > > > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > > > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > > > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
> > >
> > > "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
> >
> > But Bud will take his personal time machine back and interview Oswald to find out if he was indeed NOT doing his best! And, if not, why, for god's sake....
>
> It doesn`t seem like he was applying himself o any of his military duties at this point in his career, why would you assume shooting would be any different?
Just when I was beginning to think that LHO might have been the shooter, you tell me he had no interest in shooting. Oh, at SOME point, he ACQUIRED an interest? Back to the drawing board, I guess....
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > > >
> > > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > > >male and female!"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > > > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > > > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> > > >
> > > > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > > > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > > > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
> > >
> > > "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
> >
> > But Bud will take his personal time machine back and interview Oswald to find out if he was indeed NOT doing his best! And, if not, why, for god's sake....
>
> It doesn`t seem like he was applying himself o any of his military duties at this point in his career, why would you assume shooting would be any different?
donald willis
Sep 28, 2018, 10:10:52 PM9/28/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-7, donald willis wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > > > >male and female!"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > > > > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > > > > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > > > > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > > > > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
> > > >
> > > > "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
> > >
> > > But Bud will take his personal time machine back and interview Oswald to find out if he was indeed NOT doing his best! And, if not, why, for god's sake....
> >
> > It doesn`t seem like he was applying himself o any of his military duties at this point in his career, why would you assume shooting would be any different?
>
> Just when I was beginning to think that LHO might have been the shooter, you tell me he had no interest in shooting. Oh, at SOME point, he ACQUIRED an interest? Back to the drawing board, I guess....
>
Oh, I know! I know! He was radicalized by the internet....
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > > > >male and female!"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > > > > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > > > > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > > > > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > > > > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
> > > >
> > > > "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
> > >
> > > But Bud will take his personal time machine back and interview Oswald to find out if he was indeed NOT doing his best! And, if not, why, for god's sake....
> >
> > It doesn`t seem like he was applying himself o any of his military duties at this point in his career, why would you assume shooting would be any different?
>
> Just when I was beginning to think that LHO might have been the shooter, you tell me he had no interest in shooting. Oh, at SOME point, he ACQUIRED an interest? Back to the drawing board, I guess....
>
healyd...@gmail.com
Sep 28, 2018, 11:54:35 PM9/28/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-7, chucksch...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > >
> > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > >male and female!"
> >
> >
> > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
>
>
> Prove you were a Marine.
Chucky da Schu ran this same scam question about 15 years ago, and got about 5 DD214's shoved down his pipe-squeak throat.... Grow up twerp!
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > >
> > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > >male and female!"
> >
> >
> > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
>
>
> Prove you were a Marine.
Bud
Sep 29, 2018, 7:28:44 AM9/29/18
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Bud
Sep 29, 2018, 7:30:27 AM9/29/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:06:08 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > > > >male and female!"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > > > > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > > > > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > > > > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > > > > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
> > > >
> > > > "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
> > >
> > > But Bud will take his personal time machine back and interview Oswald to find out if he was indeed NOT doing his best! And, if not, why, for god's sake....
> >
> > It doesn`t seem like he was applying himself o any of his military duties at this point in his career, why would you assume shooting would be any different?
>
> Just when I was beginning to think that LHO might have been the shooter, you tell me he had no interest in shooting. Oh, at SOME point, he ACQUIRED an interest?
Are you telling me he was a good shooter in boot camp but then couldn`t shoot very well?
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > > > >male and female!"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> > > > > who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
> > > > > Coast Marine Rifle Team.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
> > > > > years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
> > > > > Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
> > > >
> > > > "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald was trying his best.
> > >
> > > But Bud will take his personal time machine back and interview Oswald to find out if he was indeed NOT doing his best! And, if not, why, for god's sake....
> >
> > It doesn`t seem like he was applying himself o any of his military duties at this point in his career, why would you assume shooting would be any different?
>
> Just when I was beginning to think that LHO might have been the shooter, you tell me he had no interest in shooting. Oh, at SOME point, he ACQUIRED an interest?
donald willis
Sep 29, 2018, 12:42:35 PM9/29/18
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> > CUT
Bud
Sep 29, 2018, 1:11:50 PM9/29/18
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> > > CUT
chucksch...@gmail.com
Sep 29, 2018, 3:57:55 PM9/29/18
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-5, healyd...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-7, chucksch...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > >
> > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > >male and female!"
> > >
> > >
> > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> >
> >
> > Prove you were a Marine.
>
> Chucky da Schu ran this same scam question about 15 years ago, and got about 5 DD214's shoved down his pipe-squeak throat.... Grow up twerp!
No DD 214s were shared, turkey neck.
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-7, chucksch...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
> > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
> > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
> > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
> > > >
> > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
> > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
> > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
> > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
> > > >male and female!"
> > >
> > >
> > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
> >
> >
> > Prove you were a Marine.
>
> Chucky da Schu ran this same scam question about 15 years ago, and got about 5 DD214's shoved down his pipe-squeak throat.... Grow up twerp!
But any DD 214 you did share I could easily show to be fake. You'll need to prove to my unique standards that the DD 214 is real. I get to be the judge. And I won't tell you what my standards are for pronouncing the DD 214s as real until you share the DD 214s. I may then have further doubts that call their authenticity into question, and you'll need to share additional proof.
It's easy to fake photos and documents, right? Look how easy it was to alter the Z film. Look at the fake autopsy materials. Do you honestly think faking a stupid DD 214 would be tough to do?
Does any of this sound familiar? It's what you do with the evidence in the JFK case.
Ben Holmes
Sep 29, 2018, 4:58:13 PM9/29/18
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 12:57:54 -0700 (PDT), chucksch...@gmail.com
> You'll need to prove to my unique standards that the DD 214 is real. I get to
> be the judge. And I won't tell you what my standards are for
> pronouncing the DD 214s as real until you share the DD 214s. I may
> then have further doubts that call their authenticity into question,
> and you'll need to share additional proof.
Acknowledging the right of a liar to judge anything at all would be a
rather foolish thing to do.
> It's easy to fake photos and documents, right? Look how easy it was
> to alter the Z film. Look at the fake autopsy materials. Do you
> honestly think faking a stupid DD 214 would be tough to do?
>
> Does any of this sound familiar? It's what you do with the evidence
> in the JFK case.
Actually, critics use the EVIDENCE to show that some of the evidence
in this case was forged & altered. Even *YOU* can't deny, for example,
the two contradictory FBI memos on the paper bag.
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Proof_the_FBI_Changed_Documents_and_Vincent_Bugliosi_Was_Wrong.html
And you've run, REPEATEDLY, from defending the authenticity of the
extant Z-film.
What a coward you are!
wrote:
>On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-5, healyd...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-7, chucksch...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
>> > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
>> > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
>> > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
>> > > >
>> > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
>> > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
>> > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
>> > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
>> > > >male and female!"
>> > >
>> > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
>> >
>> > Prove you were a Marine.
>>
>> Chucky da Schu ran this same scam question about 15 years ago, and got about 5 DD214's shoved down his pipe-squeak throat.... Grow up twerp!
>
>No DD 214s were shared, turkey neck.
>
> But any DD 214 you did share I could easily show to be fake.
Untrue.
>On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-5, healyd...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-7, chucksch...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> > > >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
>> > > >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
>> > > >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
>> > > >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
>> > > >
>> > > >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
>> > > >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
>> > > >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
>> > > >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
>> > > >male and female!"
>> > >
>> > > I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
>> >
>> > Prove you were a Marine.
>>
>> Chucky da Schu ran this same scam question about 15 years ago, and got about 5 DD214's shoved down his pipe-squeak throat.... Grow up twerp!
>
>No DD 214s were shared, turkey neck.
>
> But any DD 214 you did share I could easily show to be fake.
> You'll need to prove to my unique standards that the DD 214 is real. I get to
> be the judge. And I won't tell you what my standards are for
> pronouncing the DD 214s as real until you share the DD 214s. I may
> then have further doubts that call their authenticity into question,
> and you'll need to share additional proof.
rather foolish thing to do.
> It's easy to fake photos and documents, right? Look how easy it was
> to alter the Z film. Look at the fake autopsy materials. Do you
> honestly think faking a stupid DD 214 would be tough to do?
>
> Does any of this sound familiar? It's what you do with the evidence
> in the JFK case.
in this case was forged & altered. Even *YOU* can't deny, for example,
the two contradictory FBI memos on the paper bag.
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Proof_the_FBI_Changed_Documents_and_Vincent_Bugliosi_Was_Wrong.html
And you've run, REPEATEDLY, from defending the authenticity of the
extant Z-film.
What a coward you are!
borisba...@gmail.com
Sep 30, 2018, 11:26:20 AM9/30/18
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An Idiot applauds how clever he thinks he is...
>
>
> Prove you were a Marine.
>
>
https://goo.gl/images/MzP5Eq
>
>
> Prove you were a Marine.
>
>
> Prove you were on the team.
Prove this photo is fake:
https://goo.gl/images/MzP5Eq
Ben Holmes
Oct 3, 2018, 2:33:09 PM10/3/18
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 04:30:26 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
He was 'good' by the standards of someone who'd never shot, but in the
Marine Corps, he never exceeded "average."
Sharpshooter, despite the impressive "name" - is in the center of the
bell curve for Marine shooting skills.
And, as a skill, IT REQUIRES PRACTICE TO RETAIN. He is provably no
better, and certainly much worse than a Marksman. It's quite doubtful
if he could have even qualified on 11/22/63. With a few weeks of daily
practice, he could probably have qualified again... but believers
can't acknowledge these facts.
Facts that *any* Marine Expert would tell you.
Marine Corps, he never exceeded "average."
Sharpshooter, despite the impressive "name" - is in the center of the
bell curve for Marine shooting skills.
And, as a skill, IT REQUIRES PRACTICE TO RETAIN. He is provably no
better, and certainly much worse than a Marksman. It's quite doubtful
if he could have even qualified on 11/22/63. With a few weeks of daily
practice, he could probably have qualified again... but believers
can't acknowledge these facts.
Facts that *any* Marine Expert would tell you.
Ben Holmes
Oct 3, 2018, 2:33:09 PM10/3/18
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
>On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
>> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
>> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
>> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
>> >
>> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
>> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
>> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
>> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
>> >male and female!"
>>
>>
>> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
>> who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
>> Coast Marine Rifle Team.
>>
>> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
>> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
>> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
>
> "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at
> the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald
> was trying his best.
Sheer speculation cannot overcome the facts.
>And notice Beb misdirects to other people`s shooting, and away
> from the actual event. Does he see it as difficult to hit a target
> from these distances?
It's not difficult at all to hit a target from that distance. But
that's not what Oswald is alleged to have done.
Far more qualified shooter who WERE trying couldn't duplicate Oswald's
alleged shooting.
Despite their many advantages quite dishonestly given them.
>> The Warren Commission argued that Oswald had used the scope, it's
>> amusing that this poster calls the Commission liars on this point.
>> (Chuckles undoubtedly agrees!)
>>
>> But why bother whining that "country folk" could duplicate the shots?
>> We have the record from three NRA rated Masters,
>
> All three of the shooters outshot Oswald, getting hits on their
> first shot, lurkers.
You're lying again, Puddy. You're *assuming* that the assassin missed
their first shot, then claiming that the standard to "outshoot"
someone is making that first shot.
And since they were allowed all the time they wanted for that first
shot, they had an advantage not allowed to the assassin.
You lose again.
>> who couldn't
>> duplicate the alleged shooting from half the height, and at stationary
>> targets.
>
> Did any of these Masters duplicate the shooting of any of the
> others, lurkers?
A rather dumb question...
Implying, as it does, something totally irrelevant.
> Lets say a hunter shoots a deer. And lets say you get three
> experts to try to duplicate the hunters shooting, and although all
> three hit the deer, they do so in ways different than the hunter. Does
> this mean the hunter did not shoot the deer?
Lets say an assassin struck the head, and the "neck" of a person, and
three FAR HIGHER QUALIFIED shooters couldn't do that.
Oops... those *ARE* the facts.
>> Since when are "country folk" suddenly better than the
>> highest qualifications one can achieve?
>>
>> And as an added side note - former Marines are, by tradition, referred
>> to as "former" Marines, never as "ex" Marines. But don't take my word
>> for it, go ask any Marine... there's Marine recruiters in most larger
>> cities... have the courage to ask.
>>
>>
>> >CTs only show stupendous ignorance claiming that an exMarine
>> >was incompetent to make those shots inside Dealey Plaza.
>>
>>
>> This is undoubtedly stated by someone who never served in the Marine
>> Corps, and never fired the same courses of qualification as Oswald
>> did... and has no real experience with what those scores mean as far
>> as real ability with the rifle.
>>
>> And *still* hasn't figured out that vastly more qualified shooters
>> couldn't make those shots.
>
> What does Beb mean by "make those shots", lurkers?
Repeatedly stated.
Either refute the facts, or live with them.
>> > LHO spent two years in the Soviet Union as a Communist worker and
>> >member of the local "hunting club" to maintain his shooting skill.
>>
>>
>> What the poster fails to mention is any commentary from those in that
>> hunting club on Oswald's actual shooting ability.
>>
>> There's a good reason why this information was dishonesty omitted.
>>
>> It would have contradicted the story our poster was trying to tell.
Anyone notice Puddles' silence here?
>> >There can be no doubt the KGB was well aware of every member
>> >of that "club" and Spetsnaz probably had something to do with it
>> >too.
>>
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!! This is so INCREDIBLY stupid and a clearly biased attempt
>> to build up the actual record that the original poster *should* hang
>> his head in shame!
>>
>> I think I'll start speculating that the rifle team I was on was filled
>> with Olympic level shooters, and CIA assassins. It would be just as
>> credible as the poster's claim.
>>
>>
>> > So it's very likely LHO came back to the USA well trained to
>> >fire a military rifle at a human size target at any range, just like he
>> >did in the USMC.
>>
>>
>> He did average to poor in the Corps, and had *ZERO* provable shooting
>> practice after his return to the U.S.
Dead silence.
You'd think if believers could refute this, THEY'D ABSOLUTELY NEED TO
DO SO.
>> You have to be a believer to post nonsense and stupidity as bad as
>> this post. You have to be even *MORE* stupid to defend the lies told
>> in this post.
>>
>> But Puddles will try, and Chuckles will run.
Puddles did indeed try... and Chuckles did indeed run, refusing to
address a single topic.
wrote:
>On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> >Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. Ask this question of anyone
>> >who served in the Military or grew up in rural America hunting for
>> >squirrels and rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle, or feral hogs and
>> >whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle with no scope.
>> >
>> >Do you believe exMarines can shoot a slow moving human target
>> >at short range with a military rifle using open fixed sights and hit
>> >that target 2 times with 3 shots? Their answer would be, "Is this
>> >a trick question? Of course he could and so could country folks,
>> >male and female!"
>>
>>
>> I *am* such a person, not only former military, but a former Marine
>> who's skill with the rifle was good enough to land me on the West
>> Coast Marine Rifle Team.
>>
>> And I'll state quite plainly that someone who fired Marksman several
>> years earlier isn't good enough to even come close to NRA rated
>> Masters when it comes to shooting skill.
>
> "Marksman" might not truly reflect Oswald`s ability to shoot at
> the time that testing was done, lurkers, it is unknown whether Oswald
> was trying his best.
>And notice Beb misdirects to other people`s shooting, and away
> from the actual event. Does he see it as difficult to hit a target
> from these distances?
that's not what Oswald is alleged to have done.
Far more qualified shooter who WERE trying couldn't duplicate Oswald's
alleged shooting.
Despite their many advantages quite dishonestly given them.
>> The Warren Commission argued that Oswald had used the scope, it's
>> amusing that this poster calls the Commission liars on this point.
>> (Chuckles undoubtedly agrees!)
>>
>> But why bother whining that "country folk" could duplicate the shots?
>> We have the record from three NRA rated Masters,
>
> All three of the shooters outshot Oswald, getting hits on their
> first shot, lurkers.
their first shot, then claiming that the standard to "outshoot"
someone is making that first shot.
And since they were allowed all the time they wanted for that first
shot, they had an advantage not allowed to the assassin.
You lose again.
>> who couldn't
>> duplicate the alleged shooting from half the height, and at stationary
>> targets.
>
> Did any of these Masters duplicate the shooting of any of the
> others, lurkers?
Implying, as it does, something totally irrelevant.
> Lets say a hunter shoots a deer. And lets say you get three
> experts to try to duplicate the hunters shooting, and although all
> three hit the deer, they do so in ways different than the hunter. Does
> this mean the hunter did not shoot the deer?
three FAR HIGHER QUALIFIED shooters couldn't do that.
Oops... those *ARE* the facts.
>> Since when are "country folk" suddenly better than the
>> highest qualifications one can achieve?
>>
>> And as an added side note - former Marines are, by tradition, referred
>> to as "former" Marines, never as "ex" Marines. But don't take my word
>> for it, go ask any Marine... there's Marine recruiters in most larger
>> cities... have the courage to ask.
>>
>>
>> >CTs only show stupendous ignorance claiming that an exMarine
>> >was incompetent to make those shots inside Dealey Plaza.
>>
>>
>> This is undoubtedly stated by someone who never served in the Marine
>> Corps, and never fired the same courses of qualification as Oswald
>> did... and has no real experience with what those scores mean as far
>> as real ability with the rifle.
>>
>> And *still* hasn't figured out that vastly more qualified shooters
>> couldn't make those shots.
>
> What does Beb mean by "make those shots", lurkers?
Either refute the facts, or live with them.
>> > LHO spent two years in the Soviet Union as a Communist worker and
>> >member of the local "hunting club" to maintain his shooting skill.
>>
>>
>> What the poster fails to mention is any commentary from those in that
>> hunting club on Oswald's actual shooting ability.
>>
>> There's a good reason why this information was dishonesty omitted.
>>
>> It would have contradicted the story our poster was trying to tell.
>> >There can be no doubt the KGB was well aware of every member
>> >of that "club" and Spetsnaz probably had something to do with it
>> >too.
>>
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!! This is so INCREDIBLY stupid and a clearly biased attempt
>> to build up the actual record that the original poster *should* hang
>> his head in shame!
>>
>> I think I'll start speculating that the rifle team I was on was filled
>> with Olympic level shooters, and CIA assassins. It would be just as
>> credible as the poster's claim.
>>
>>
>> > So it's very likely LHO came back to the USA well trained to
>> >fire a military rifle at a human size target at any range, just like he
>> >did in the USMC.
>>
>>
>> He did average to poor in the Corps, and had *ZERO* provable shooting
>> practice after his return to the U.S.
You'd think if believers could refute this, THEY'D ABSOLUTELY NEED TO
DO SO.
>> You have to be a believer to post nonsense and stupidity as bad as
>> this post. You have to be even *MORE* stupid to defend the lies told
>> in this post.
>>
>> But Puddles will try, and Chuckles will run.
address a single topic.
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