The Vatican
LT
giant trusts of America. Politically, she looms ever larger in the
White House, in the Senate and in the Congress. She is a force in the
Pentagon, a secret agent in the FBI and the most subtly intangible
prime mover of the S.S. wheel within a wheel; the Central Intelligence
Agency."
-Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36
Why Do We Overlook The Vatican?
The Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM), whose members are known
as "Knights" (Masculine) and "Dames" (Feminine), is a Vatican military
order that counts many influential people in modern history among it's
members, including top intelligence operatives, high-level
politicians, US Presidents, bankers, and media/entertainment
executives.
Known as the "Pope's militia", nearly 50% of the organization is
comprised from members of Europe's oldest/most-powerful "black
nobility" families. A member of the Knights of Malta has a sworn
allegiance to the Vatican, and acts as their soldier in whichever
country they live in.
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The CIA was a successor to the OSS, headed by William J. "Wild Bill"
Donovan, a devout Roman Catholic and a decorated Knight of Malta. His
brother, Vincent Donovan, was a Roman Catholic priest of the Dominican
Order. It was Donovan who founded the CIA and Harry Solomon Truman, a
high-degree Freemason who had been put into office by the Jesuits, who
formally established it. Allen Dulles became the chief of the CIA
until 1961, when he was dismissed by President John F. Kennedy and
replaced with John McCone, who headed the CIA in the year/months prior
to, during, and after the JFK assassination.
The FBI was founded by Charles J. Bonaparte before World War II and
served as the domestic intelligence service during the war. Bonaparte
was a Knight of Malta and a member of the Catholic University of
America's Board of Trustees. J. Edgar Hoover was chosen to head the
FBI, and he served in this position in the years before, the day of,
and the years after the JFK assassination.
Allen Dulles was a Knight of Malta. His nephew, Avery Dulles, was a
high-level Jesuit priest. Of Dulles, we read:
"Cardinal Francis Spellman, of New York , was the military vicar of
the American Armed Forces in Vietnam. He was also the unofficial link
between the pope and John Foster Dulles, the U.S. Secretary of State
and therefore the Secretary’s brother, Alan, who was the head of the
CIA."
[Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36]
John McCone was a Knight of Malta. It's known that he also worked as
an administrator at a Jesuit university (Loyola University -- named
after Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuits). McCone was a devout
Roman Catholic:
http://www.nndb.com/people/738/000031645/
J. Edgar Hoover was a Knight of Malta. Of him, we read:
"So Catholics were ultimately preferred. Hoover reportedly favored
Irish Catholic youths, finding them generally clean-cut and good-
looking and earnest about their religion. He actively sought them out
and later, after Notre Dame and Marquette [Jesuit] granted him
honorary degrees, recruited heavily at those universities."
[The Boss: J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition, Nathan
G. Theoharis and John Stuart Cox, (New York: Bantam Books, 1990) p.
234]
Then, there was Military-Intelligence -- a number of agencies
coordinated under the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). It's founding
director was Joseph Carroll. Carroll, a devout Roman Catholic, was
trained by the Jesuits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Carroll
Within the FBI is a counter-intelligence unit called Division 5. This
is the covert/"dirty-tricks" section of the FBI. It was formed by
Louis Bloomfield, a Knight of Malta and major figure in the Rome-based/
dedicated Permindex/CMC companies, and it was headed by William C.
Sullivan before, during, and after the assassination.
Sullivan was honored by the Jesuits:
"Mr. Sullivan held advanced degrees from American and George
Washington Universities and an honorary doctorate from Boston
College."
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/app_h.htm
[NOTE: Sullivan appears to have become a liability later on, and may
have been planning to reveal things about the case. He was scheduled
to testify before the HSCA but was never able to. On November 9, 1977,
he was shot by the son of a state policeman, who supposedly mistook
him for a "deer". The gunshot wound was in his neck and the gun used
by the shooter had a telescopic sight, throwing doubt onto the
"accident" theory. Sullivan was one of six FBI operatives who fell
victim to suspicious circumstances -- the other five were, like
Sullivan, scheduled to testify before the HSCA. An organization able
to engineer large numbers of "accidental deaths", "heart attacks", and
"fatal falls" would likely have very widespread threads of influence/
control. Consider the quote at the beginning of this post.]
Now, the CIA had a similar counter-intelligence organization. This was
headed by James J. Angleton, and he would be implicated as a major
player in the conspiracy/cover-up. Angleton was the head of the CIA's
"Vatican Desk" and was a Knight of Malta.
Third-in-command at the FBI, Cartha DeLoach, thought by many to be the
"real power" behind the bureau, was a Knight of Malta.
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So, in short, the CIA, FBI, and Military-Intelligence, all founded by
men closely tied, through their affiliations/associations, to the
Vatican, were headed by men with close ties, through their
affiliations/associations, to the Vatican in the years before, on the
day of, and in the years after the assassination, as were the "counter-
intelligence/dirty-tricks" factions.
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WHO WAS BEHIND THE VIETNAM WAR?
The following is from Avro Manhattan, an authority on the Vatican in
world politics, in his book "Vietnam: Why Did We Go?":
"The political and military origin of the war of Vietnam has been
described with millions of written and spoken words. Yet, nothing has
been said about one of the most significant forces which contributed
to its promotion, namely, the role played by religion, which in this
case, means the part played by the Catholic Church, and by her
diplomatic counterpart, the Vatican. Their active participation is not
mere speculation. It is an historical fact as concrete as the presence
of the U.S., or the massive guerilla resistance of Asian communism.
The activities of the last two have been scrutinized by thousands of
books, but the former has never been assessed, not even in a
summarized form. The Catholic Church must be considered as a main
promoter in the origin, escalation and prosecution of the Vietnamese
conflict. From the very beginning this religious motivation helped set
in motion the avalanche that was to cause endless agonies in the
Asiatic and American continents.
The price paid was immense: thousands of billions of dollars; the mass
dislocation of entire populations; political anarchy; military
devastation on an unprecedented scale; the disgrace upon the civilized
world; the loss of thousands upon thousands of young Asian and
American lives. Last but not least, the wounding, mutilation, and
death of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children. The
tragedy of Vietnam will go down in history as one of the most
pernicious deeds of the contemporary alliance between politics and
organized religion.
Factors of a political, ideological, economic, and military nature
played no mean role in the unfolding of the war, but the religion of
the Catholic Church was one of its main instigators. From the
beginning her role has been minimized when not obliterated altogether.
Concrete facts however, cannot be wiped away so easily, and it is
these which we shall now scrutinize, even if briefly."
In the forward, we read:
"Avro Manhattan, world authority on Vatican politics, has blown the
cover on the real reason our boys suffered and died in Vietnam. He
traces their death to the Vatican’s passionate desire to make Asia
Roman Catholic. Vatican agents hatched and plotted the Vietnam War.
American soldiers were serving the Vatican in their desperate struggle
to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
destruction. It was all engineered by…her Jesuits."
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WHO CONTROLLED THE CIA?
As we've established, it was the Vatican that controlled/controls the
CIA. Manhattan stated that the Jesuits were the "prime mover" within
the CIA, and other evidence confirms this. The founder of the CIA was
an obvious Vatican agent, being a decorated Knight of Malta and having
a brother in the Roman Catholic Dominican Order. The CIA chief who
Kennedy fired, Allen Dulles, was a Knight of Malta and the uncle of a
Jesuit priest. The CIA chief before, during, and after Kennedy's death
was John McCone, a Knight of Malta who served as an administrator at
the Jesuit Loyola University. The head of CIA Counter-Intelligence,
James Angleton, was a Knight of Malta.
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WHO CONTROLLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
The Federal Reserve Bank was founded by agents of the Rockefellers/
Rothschilds, both SMOM families, and is primarily controlled by the
Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are banking agents of the Vatican:
"Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked
them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the
title ‘Guardians of the Vatican Treasury’…. The appointment of
Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and
secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key
to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church?"
[F. Tupper Saussy, Rulers of Evil, page 160]
I urge the serious researcher to read the true background/facts of the
sinking of the Titanic:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_titanic1.htm
On board the Titanic were the three men who were most opposed to the
establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank -- their names were Isador
Strauss, Benjamin Guggenheim, and John Jacob Astor IV. All of them
died.
The captain was a Jesuit agent who worked for JP Morgan. He
deliberately sunk the ship, killing himself and many others on board.
Despite being a very experienced captain, he repeatedly refused to
turn the ship around or slow down.
On board the ship was Francis M. Browne, a high-ranking Jesuit priest.
Browne took photographs of the passengers (future victims) and then
departed the ship on the last stop before the sinking. It is now known
that he received an inexplicable warning from his Jesuit superior to
disembark: "GET OFF THAT SHIP -- PROVINCIAL".
http://titanicphotographs.com/
Eric Phelps writes on page 427 of Vatican Assassins:
"Here is Jesuit treachery at its finest. The Provincial [Father
Francis Browne] boards Titanic, photographs the victims, most
assuredly briefs the Captain concerning his oath as a Jesuit, and the
following morning bids him farewell."
And in the National Geographic's 1986 video Secrets Of The Titanic, it
is stated that:
"A vacationing priest, Father Francis Browne, caught these poignant
snapshots of his fellow passengers, most of them on a voyage to
eternity. The next day Titanic made her last stop off the coast of
Queenstown, Ireland. Here tenders brought out the last passengers;
mostly Irish immigrants headed for new homes in America. And here, the
lucky Father Browne disembarked.... Father Browne caught Captain Smith
peering down from Titanic’s bridge, poised on the brink of destiny."
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So:
John F. Kennedy wanted to end the Federal Reserve, Vietnam War, and
the CIA's covert-operations apparatus.
One would assume that if there exists a group that was behind all
three, and that they controlled the CIA, FBI, and Military-
Intelligence during the assassination, then, in conjunction with the
information pointing to the involvement of those agencies, it would
appear to be impossible to see it as anything other than the work of
that group.
That group does exist, and it is known as the Vatican/Jesuits.
Did that group have any tangible, direct connection to Lee Harvey
Oswald?
Yes.
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LEE HARVEY OSWALD
"An interesting angle is presented by the Lee Oswald involvement. His
cousin is reported to be a Jesuit priest. And it is a matter of record
that Lee Oswald was invited to address the Jesuit college in
Springhill, Alabama, on the subject of his activities, two weeks
before the Kennedy Assassination. The Jesuit involvement closely
parallels that in the Lincoln Assassination."
- [Emmanuel Josephson, The Federal Reserve Conspiracy and the
Rockefellers (1968)]
Oswald's cousin, Eugene Murret, was a Jesuit novice who invited him to
speak at a Jesuit House of Studies. A transcript of his speech can be
found here:
http://www.ajweberman.com/nodules/nodule12.htm#jes
Ben Holmes
Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring.
In article <606698a4-01f7-45b0...@y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
LT says...
>and therefore the Secretary=92s brother, Alan, who was the head of the
>traces their death to the Vatican=92s passionate desire to make Asia
>Roman Catholic. Vatican agents hatched and plotted the Vietnam War.
>American soldiers were serving the Vatican in their desperate struggle
>to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
>destruction. It was all engineered by=85her Jesuits."
>
>-----------------------
>
>WHO CONTROLLED THE CIA?
>
>As we've established, it was the Vatican that controlled/controls the
>CIA. Manhattan stated that the Jesuits were the "prime mover" within
>the CIA, and other evidence confirms this. The founder of the CIA was
>an obvious Vatican agent, being a decorated Knight of Malta and having
>a brother in the Roman Catholic Dominican Order. The CIA chief who
>Kennedy fired, Allen Dulles, was a Knight of Malta and the uncle of a
>Jesuit priest. The CIA chief before, during, and after Kennedy's death
>was John McCone, a Knight of Malta who served as an administrator at
>the Jesuit Loyola University. The head of CIA Counter-Intelligence,
>James Angleton, was a Knight of Malta.
>
>------------------------
>
>WHO CONTROLLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
>
>The Federal Reserve Bank was founded by agents of the Rockefellers/
>Rothschilds, both SMOM families, and is primarily controlled by the
>Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are banking agents of the Vatican:
>
>"Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked
>them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the
>title =91Guardians of the Vatican Treasury=92=85. The appointment of
>peering down from Titanic=92s bridge, poised on the brink of destiny."
>
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>=3D=3D=3D
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Ben Holmes
Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com
LT
> Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring.
>
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Ben, are you aware that in the summer of 1963, Oswald was seen meeting
with men at a "party" at which Oswald and two others discussed the
assassination? Are you aware that an older man identified as having
been a present participant in this discussion was later seen handing
Oswald what looked like a roll of money elsewhere in New Orleans, and
was seen, again, with Oswald in Clinton, Louisiana, with David Ferrie,
the man who had hosted the party at which the assassination was
discussed?
Well, here are some revelations:
That man was a member of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM),
also known as the "Knights of Malta", a Vatican military order whose
members have been called "the Pope's militia". He was a member of the
civic elite, formerly directing the International Trade Mart of New
Orleans (CIA Front), where his direct assistant was J.B. Dauenhauer,
who had been trained by the Jesuits of Loyola University.
His name was Clay L. Shaw, and he was a clandestine CIA man in New
Orleans. He was a director of a shadowy company called "Permindex",
which had been connected to a 1962 assassination attempt on Charles
DeGaulle, to pro-fascist CIA activities in Italy, and to CIA/Mossad
activities. It's board of directors was full of staunch anti-
Communists, people with links to Nazi/Fascist remnants, and people
with links to US Intelligence (Such as director/president Ferenc Nagy,
long-time CIA asset).
Now, Permindex was founded/controlled by Louis Mortimer Bloomfield and
- surprise, surprise - he, too, was a Knight of Malta, as revealed by
former MI6 operative John Coleman. Permindex's parent company, CMC,
was based in Rome (Vatican/Jesuit HQ) and stated: "Rome will recover
once again her position as caput mundi, as center of the civilized
world." -- is the Vatican connection here becoming more clear?
What of David Ferrie, the host of the party where the assassination
was discussed and the man who accompanied Shaw/Oswald to Clinton? He
was Oswald's captain in the CAP and a long-time operative of the US-
Government/CIA/Military-Intelligence, as well as an employee/asset of
Carlos Marcello.
Ferrie had his own Catholic connections -- he was a former Roman
Catholic priest who had been trained at St. Mary's Seminary. He had
been trained by the Jesuits for seven years and had graduated from a
private Jesuit high school in New Orleans.
The story of Shaw, Oswald, and Ferrie discussing the assassination at
Ferrie's apartment prior to the actual event was, of course, damaging
to the Vatican-controlled intelligence community -- all three of these
men were intelligence operatives, and both Shaw and Ferrie had
dangerously close ties to the Vatican/Jesuits.
For this reason, Ferrie was murdered before Garrison could "crack" him
and use him to reveal Shaw. Shaw was provided an Italian Roman
Catholic defense attorney, Salvatore Panzeca, as well as assistance
from the CIA. The judge presiding over the case was a Roman Catholic
Papal Knight.
The "assassination party" story was recounted by Perry R. Russo, who
was a friend of Ferrie's and a book salesman. Russo had attended the
party and heard this discussion. While Sandra Moffett, a woman Russo
was seeing, ran away and denied the entire event, another person who
had attended the party with Russo, Niles Peterson, confirmed details
of the story, such as the party itself and the presence of a man named
"Leon".
Clyde Johnson, a reverend, was Garrison's star witness. Johnson had
been a candidate for Governor of Louisiana. He had met with Clay Shaw
at the Roosevelt Hotel, who had been using the alias "Alton Bernard"
-- Shaw/"Bernard" supported his anti-Kennedy rhetoric and donated
$2000 to his campaign. Shaw/"Bernard" called him a number of times
after that, and eventually wanted to meet him at the Capital House
Hotel in Baton Rouge. This meeting, which took place in early
September, was attended by Johnson, Shaw/"Bertrand", Oswald/"Leon",
Jack Ruby, and a Cuban man with a mustache. They discussed "getting"
Kennedy and about when they "could do it", as well as how there were
"others working on this". This story was partly corroborated by
Johnson's running mate, who had seen Shaw in Johnson's hotel room with
others.
Like William Sullivan and the five other FBI operatives discussed
earlier, Clyde Johnson was never able to testify. His testimony would
have destroyed Clay Shaw. He was severely beaten and hospitalized, and
did not testify. Five months later, he was blown away by a 12-gauge
shotgun.
Another witness who did not testify before the judge/jury at the Shaw
trial was Richard Case Nagell, a US government insider who said that
Shaw, Banister, and Ferrie were working together on a project in which
Oswald was being manipulated.
At the time of the assassination, Knight of Malta Shaw was eating
lunch with J. Monroe Sullivan, the director of the San Francisco World
Trade Center. It stunned Sullivan, but Shaw showed no reaction to the
news of the assassination and, when asked if he wanted to continue on
with the luncheon, he did. Sullivan called for a moment of silence,
and afterwards, Shaw simply began making his pitch for the
International House!
LT
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According to sources here, "Ben Holmes" is an alias for John McAdams,
leading assassination cover-up artist. McAdams is a professor at the
JESUIT Marquette University. He works for/with members of the Jesuit
Order every day. He is an accomplice to the cover-up of the Jesuit/
Vatican murder of John F. Kennedy.
Ben Holmes
LT says...
>
>On Aug 16, 12:23=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring.
>>
>> >Roman Catholic. Vatican agents hatched and plotted the Vietnam War.
>> >American soldiers were serving the Vatican in their desperate struggle
>> >to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
>>
>> >-----------------------
>>
>> >WHO CONTROLLED THE CIA?
>>
>> >As we've established, it was the Vatican that controlled/controls the
>> >CIA. Manhattan stated that the Jesuits were the "prime mover" within
>> >the CIA, and other evidence confirms this. The founder of the CIA was
>> >an obvious Vatican agent, being a decorated Knight of Malta and having
>> >a brother in the Roman Catholic Dominican Order. The CIA chief who
>> >Kennedy fired, Allen Dulles, was a Knight of Malta and the uncle of a
>> >Jesuit priest. The CIA chief before, during, and after Kennedy's death
>> >was John McCone, a Knight of Malta who served as an administrator at
>> >the Jesuit Loyola University. The head of CIA Counter-Intelligence,
>> >James Angleton, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >------------------------
>>
>> >WHO CONTROLLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
>>
>> >The Federal Reserve Bank was founded by agents of the Rockefellers/
>> >Rothschilds, both SMOM families, and is primarily controlled by the
>> >Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are banking agents of the Vatican:
>>
>> >"Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked
>> >them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the
>of
>> >Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and
>> >secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key
>> >to the wealth
>>
>> ...
>>
>
>According to sources here, "Ben Holmes" is an alias for John McAdams,
>leading assassination cover-up artist. McAdams is a professor at the
>JESUIT Marquette University. He works for/with members of the Jesuit
>Order every day. He is an accomplice to the cover-up of the Jesuit/
>Vatican murder of John F. Kennedy.
"According to sources here" - one kook who hates it when I point out his lies.
Looks like you're just as stupid. Can you offer *ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER* that
I'm not who I claim to be? Do you have the courage to *CALL* John McAdams and
myself - and verify that we can't be in two different states within minutes of
your calls?
Just like the kook, Rob "Child Molester" Caprio - you're too stupid to defend
your silly theories on the basis of evidence, so you are forced to attack the
person pointing out your stupidity.
Ben Holmes
LT says...
>
>On Aug 16, 12:23=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring.
>>
>> >Roman Catholic. Vatican agents hatched and plotted the Vietnam War.
>> >American soldiers were serving the Vatican in their desperate struggle
>> >to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
>>
>> >-----------------------
>>
>> >WHO CONTROLLED THE CIA?
>>
>> >As we've established, it was the Vatican that controlled/controls the
>> >CIA. Manhattan stated that the Jesuits were the "prime mover" within
>> >the CIA, and other evidence confirms this. The founder of the CIA was
>> >an obvious Vatican agent, being a decorated Knight of Malta and having
>> >a brother in the Roman Catholic Dominican Order. The CIA chief who
>> >Kennedy fired, Allen Dulles, was a Knight of Malta and the uncle of a
>> >Jesuit priest. The CIA chief before, during, and after Kennedy's death
>> >was John McCone, a Knight of Malta who served as an administrator at
>> >the Jesuit Loyola University. The head of CIA Counter-Intelligence,
>> >James Angleton, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >------------------------
>>
>> >WHO CONTROLLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
>>
>> >The Federal Reserve Bank was founded by agents of the Rockefellers/
>> >Rothschilds, both SMOM families, and is primarily controlled by the
>> >Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are banking agents of the Vatican:
>>
>> >"Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked
>> >them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the
>> >Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and
>> >secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key
>> >to the wealth
>>
>> ...
>>
>
>Ben, are you aware
I'm perfectly aware that if you had a bias and hatred of the Boy Scouts, rather
than the Catholic Church, you could build an identically 'persuasive' case.
All these red herrings being dragged across the case simply bypass the obvious
suspects.
LT
> In article <9f219bea-0c84-45fd-9288-e61f77cc2...@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
No, I can be both defense and attack. You wouldn't have gotten
"attack" if you tried to have a well-reasoned debate, rather than
simply dismissing my information off-hand.
LT
> In article <3dd12511-2de0-4a0b-b49b-3f778093d...@j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
I don't believe I could -- do you know the significance of the Knights/
Dames of Malta? They are a Vatican MILITARY ORDER. Their members are
soldiers of the Papacy.
When one considers the Vatican/Jesuit control in the world going back
centuries, combine it with:
a) The fact that they were behind the CIA, Vietnam War, and Federal
Reserve Bank
b) Kennedy wanted to destroy all three of those institutions
c) The CIA/FBI/Military-Intelligence/SS, all of which can be connected
to the Dallas events, were run by Vatican knights
d) Abraham Lincoln, who also opposed the Jesuits, was killed by a
Papist conspiracy
Consider these facts, and you can see exactly why this is the truth.
And when one looks at how the "alternative-media" darlings like Alex
Jones are really agents of the Vatican/Jesuit cabal, it can be
discerned why this information is so marginalized.
HERE ARE A FEW IMPORTANT FACTS:
*Clay Shaw was seen discussing the assassination with Oswald and
Ferrie (and in one case, Ruby) on a number of occasions. He was seen
handing Oswald a roll of money in New Orleans and driving a car
containing Ferrie and Oswald in Clinton. He would deny having met
either of them, despite mountains of credible testimony to the
contrary. Shaw was a Knight of Malta. He was a director of a Rome-
based/dedicated corporation, run by a Montreal-based Knight of Malta
(Louis Bloomfield), whom he and Ferrie apparently visited at one
point. His direct assistant at the International Trade Mart (A front
operation of the Vatican/SMOM-controlled CIA) was a graduate of Loyola
University, a private Jesuit institution in New Orleans. He was a
clandestine operative for the CIA, controlled by Knight-of-Malta/
Jesuit-administrator John McCone, and his CIA activities were under
James Angleton's "division" (Counter-Intelligence) -- Angleton was a
Knight of Malta. Shaw's trial was presided over by a Roman-Catholic/
Papal-Knight judge and his lawyer, Salvatore Panzeca, was an Italian
Roman Catholic. The defense team was aided by the CIA.
*David Ferrie was Oswald's CAP captain. He had been seen/heard
discussing the assassination with Shaw and Oswald (As well as Ruby)
prior to it happening. On the week of the assassination, he took a
mysterious "hunting trip to Dallas" in military garb, and lied to the
FBI about it. He was trained by the Jesuits for seven years, and
graduated from a Jesuit private school. He was a former Roman Catholic
priest. He was an asset of the CIA, controlled by Knight-of-Malta/
Jesuit-Administrator John McCone.
*Lee Harvey Oswald spoke at a Jesuit House of Studies in Alabama in
the summer of 1963 about Russia. He was invited there by his cousin,
Eugene Murret, a Jesuit novice (Now a Jesuit priest).
*Carl Renas was dispatched to take the presidential limousine from
Washington to a dealership in Cincinatti, where evidence of shots from
the front were quietly removed. The man who had ordered Renas to take
the limo to this place was the head of Ford's Dearborn Division -- Lee
Iacocca. Iacocca was a Knight of Malta who met with the Jesuits on a
weekly basis for face-to-face "retreats". His Vatican/Jesuit
connections are the only plausible way to explain his involvement in
the cover-up.
*At the time of the assassination, the CIA was headed by John McCone,
a Knight-of-Malta/Jesuit-Administrator and it's counter-intelligence
unit was headed by James Angleton, a Knight of Malta. Avro Manhattan
described the Jesuits as the "prime mover" behind the CIA. Prior to
McCone's CIA reign, Allen Dulles was the CIA chief. He was a Knight of
Malta and the uncle of Avery Dulles, a high-level Jesuit. Much of the
CIA was formed by Nazi remnants led by Reinhard Gehlen, the Knight of
Malta and former Nazi Intel chief who would organize the CIA's
activities in Europe. The CIA had been founded by Knight of Malta
William Donovan, a recipient of the Grand Cross of the Order of St.
Sylvester (Highest award given by the Roman Catholic Church) and the
brother of Vincent Donovan, a Roman Catholic priest of the Dominican
Order.
*At the time of the assassination, the FBI was headed by J. Edgar
Hoover, a Knight of Malta. The third-in-command at the FBI, who many
say was the "real power" behind the bureau, was Cartha DeLoach, a
Knight of Malta. The head of the FBI's Counter-Intelligence unit,
Division 5, was William C. Sullivan, and Sullivan was honored by the
Jesuits of Boston College. The founder of and head of recruitment for
Division 5 was Louis Bloomfield, a Knight of Malta. The founder of the
FBI was Charles Bonaparte, a Knight of Malta and member of the
Catholic University of America's board of trustees. Most FBI personnel
at the time were Irish Roman Catholics recruited from Jesuit
institutions like Marquette or extreme Roman Catholic institutions
like Notre Dame, as Hoover preferred them. One Jesuit-institution
recruit was the Roman Catholic, Jesuit Fordham-educated G. Gordon
Liddy, who has been accused of being the man who shot J.D. Tippet.
Liddy said of the Fordham University Jesuits: "It was clear that these
men ran the world and enjoyed it"
*At the time of the assassination, Military-Intelligence (DIA) was
headed by it's founding director, Joseph Carroll, a devout Roman
Catholic who was trained by the Jesuits.
*At the time of the assassination, the Secret Service was headed by
James Rowley, a Roman Catholic whose brother, Francis Rowley, was a
Jesuit priest.
*The real power behind the Warren Commission and the "boss"/confidant
of many of the suspects was Allen Dulles, a Knight of Malta whose
nephew was a Jesuit priest. Also on the Commission was Gerald Ford, a
Knight of Malta.
*The Zapruder film was bought by Time/Life and hidden for 11 years.
Who headed Time/Life? Henry Luce. He and his wife, Clare Booth, were
both members of the Knights of Malta.
*E. Howard Hunt, the CIA assassin who was in Dallas the day of the
assassination, was a close friend of William F. Buckley, Jr., a CIA
officer and a Knight of Malta who had been trained at a Jesuit private
school. He was also a close friend of Henry Luce, who is both a Knight
of Malta himself and married to Clare Booth Luce, a Dame of Malta.
Isn't it interesting that Hunt has two Knights of Malta among his
close friends? Well, get this -- Hunt sometimes used the alias
"Knight".
*George H.W Bush was a CIA supervisor of the Anti-Castro Cubans and
was photographed in Dallas on the day of the assassination. Bush was a
close associate of George DeMohrenschildt, Oswald's "best friend" in
Dallas. Bush was a Knight of Malta.
One could go on and on.
LT
Base, which housed a training camp for Reinhard Gehlen's spies?
What about the fact that Gehlen played a key role in espionage against
the USSR? Espionage that Oswald would have been involved in as a CIA
spy. Was Oswald a Gehlen agent?
Crucial question, as Gehlen was a KNIGHT OF MALTA.
Ben Holmes
LT says...
>
>On Aug 16, 9:21=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <9f219bea-0c84-45fd-9288-e61f77cc2...@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> LT says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 16, 12:23=3DA0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> >> Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring.
>>
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>> >> LT says...
>>
>> >> >"The Catholic Church in the USA, financially can stand up to all the
>> >> >giant trusts of America. Politically, she looms ever larger in the
>> >> >White House, in the Senate and in the Congress. She is a force in the
>> >> >Pentagon, a secret agent in the FBI and the most subtly intangible
>e
>> >> >Agency."
>> >> >-Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36
>>
>> >> >Why Do We Overlook The Vatican?
>>
>> >> >The Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM), whose members are known
>y
>> >> >order that counts many influential people in modern history among it'=
>s
>> >> >members, including top intelligence operatives, high-level
>> >> >politicians, US Presidents, bankers, and media/entertainment
>> >> >executives.
>>
>> >> >Known as the "Pope's militia", nearly 50% of the organization is
>> >> >comprised from members of Europe's oldest/most-powerful "black
>> >> >nobility" families. A member of the Knights of Malta has a sworn
>> >> >allegiance to the Vatican, and acts as their soldier in whichever
>> >> >country they live in.
>>
>> >> >--------------
>>
>> >> >The CIA was a successor to the OSS, headed by William J. "Wild Bill"
>> >> >Donovan, a devout Roman Catholic and a decorated Knight of Malta. His
>n
>> >> >Order. It was Donovan who founded the CIA and Harry Solomon Truman, a
>o
>> >> >formally established it. Allen Dulles became the chief of the CIA
>> >> >until 1961, when he was dismissed by President John F. Kennedy and
>r
>> >> >to, during, and after the JFK assassination.
>>
>> >> >The FBI was founded by Charles J. Bonaparte before World War II and
>> >> >served as the domestic intelligence service during the war. Bonaparte
>> >> >was a Knight of Malta and a member of the Catholic University of
>> >> >America's Board of Trustees. J. Edgar Hoover was chosen to head the
>> >> >FBI, and he served in this position in the years before, the day of,
>> >> >and the years after the JFK assassination.
>>
>> >> >Allen Dulles was a Knight of Malta. His nephew, Avery Dulles, was a
>> >> >high-level Jesuit priest. Of Dulles, we read:
>>
>> >> >"Cardinal Francis Spellman, of New York , was the military vicar of
>> >> >the American Armed Forces in Vietnam. He was also the unofficial link
>> >> >between the pope and John Foster Dulles, the U.S. Secretary of State
>f the
>> >> >CIA."
>> >> >[Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36]
>>
>> >> >John McCone was a Knight of Malta. It's known that he also worked as
>> >> >an administrator at a Jesuit university (Loyola University -- named
>> >> >after Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuits). McCone was a devout
>> >> >Roman Catholic:
>> >> >http://www.nndb.com/people/738/000031645/
>>
>> >> >J. Edgar Hoover was a Knight of Malta. Of him, we read:
>>
>> >> >"So Catholics were ultimately preferred. Hoover reportedly favored
>> >> >Irish Catholic youths, finding them generally clean-cut and good-
>> >> >looking and earnest about their religion. He actively sought them out
>> >> >and later, after Notre Dame and Marquette [Jesuit] granted him
>> >> >honorary degrees, recruited heavily at those universities."
>> >> >[The Boss: J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition, Nathan
>> >> >G. Theoharis and John Stuart Cox, (New York: Bantam Books, 1990) p.
>> >> >234]
>>
>> >> >Then, there was Military-Intelligence -- a number of agencies
>g
>> >> >director was Joseph Carroll. Carroll, a devout Roman Catholic, was
>> >> >trained by the Jesuits.
>> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Carroll
>>
>> >> >Within the FBI is a counter-intelligence unit called Division 5. This
>> >> >is the covert/"dirty-tricks" section of the FBI. It was formed by
>d/
>> >> >dedicated Permindex/CMC companies, and it was headed by William C.
>> >> >Sullivan before, during, and after the assassination.
>>
>> >> >Sullivan was honored by the Jesuits:
>>
>> >> >"Mr. Sullivan held advanced degrees from American and George
>> >> >Washington Universities and an honorary doctorate from Boston
>> >> >College."
>> >> >http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/app_h.htm
>>
>> >> >[NOTE: Sullivan appears to have become a liability later on, and may
>> >> >have been planning to reveal things about the case. He was scheduled
>,
>> >> >he was shot by the son of a state policeman, who supposedly mistook
>> >> >him for a "deer". The gunshot wound was in his neck and the gun used
>> >> >by the shooter had a telescopic sight, throwing doubt onto the
>> >> >"accident" theory. Sullivan was one of six FBI operatives who fell
>> >> >victim to suspicious circumstances -- the other five were, like
>> >> >Sullivan, scheduled to testify before the HSCA. An organization able
>d
>> >> >"fatal falls" would likely have very widespread threads of influence/
>> >> >control. Consider the quote at the beginning of this post.]
>>
>s
>> >> >headed by James J. Angleton, and he would be implicated as a major
>> >> >player in the conspiracy/cover-up. Angleton was the head of the CIA's
>> >> >"Vatican Desk" and was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>e
>> >> >"real power" behind the bureau, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >> >-------------------
>>
>> >> >So, in short, the CIA, FBI, and Military-Intelligence, all founded by
>> >> >men closely tied, through their affiliations/associations, to the
>> >> >Vatican, were headed by men with close ties, through their
>> >> >affiliations/associations, to the Vatican in the years before, on the
>r-
>> >> >intelligence/dirty-tricks" factions.
>>
>> >> >-------------------
>>
>> >> >WHO WAS BEHIND THE VIETNAM WAR?
>>
>> >> >The following is from Avro Manhattan, an authority on the Vatican in
>> >> >world politics, in his book "Vietnam: Why Did We Go?":
>>
>> >> >"The political and military origin of the war of Vietnam has been
>> >> >described with millions of written and spoken words. Yet, nothing has
>> >> >been said about one of the most significant forces which contributed
>> >> >to its promotion, namely, the role played by religion, which in this
>> >> >case, means the part played by the Catholic Church, and by her
>t
>> >> >mere speculation. It is an historical fact as concrete as the presenc=
>e
>> >> >of the U.S., or the massive guerilla resistance of Asian communism.
>> >> >The activities of the last two have been scrutinized by thousands of
>> >> >books, but the former has never been assessed, not even in a
>> >> >summarized form. The Catholic Church must be considered as a main
>> >> >promoter in the origin, escalation and prosecution of the Vietnamese
>t
>> >> >in motion the avalanche that was to cause endless agonies in the
>> >> >Asiatic and American continents.
>>
>s
>> >> >dislocation of entire populations; political anarchy; military
>d
>> >> >world; the loss of thousands upon thousands of young Asian and
>> >> >American lives. Last but not least, the wounding, mutilation, and
>> >> >death of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children. The
>> >> >tragedy of Vietnam will go down in history as one of the most
>> >> >pernicious deeds of the contemporary alliance between politics and
>> >> >organized religion.
>>
>> >> >Factors of a political, ideological, economic, and military nature
>> >> >played no mean role in the unfolding of the war, but the religion of
>> >> >the Catholic Church was one of its main instigators. From the
>.
>> >> >Concrete facts however, cannot be wiped away so easily, and it is
>> >> >these which we shall now scrutinize, even if briefly."
>>
>> >> >In the forward, we read:
>>
>> >> >"Avro Manhattan, world authority on Vatican politics, has blown the
>> >> >cover on the real reason our boys suffered and died in Vietnam. He
>sia
>> >> >Roman Catholic. Vatican agents hatched and plotted the Vietnam War.
>e
>> >> >to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
>>
>> >> >-----------------------
>>
>> >> >WHO CONTROLLED THE CIA?
>>
>> >> >As we've established, it was the Vatican that controlled/controls the
>> >> >CIA. Manhattan stated that the Jesuits were the "prime mover" within
>> >> >the CIA, and other evidence confirms this. The founder of the CIA was
>g
>> >> >a brother in the Roman Catholic Dominican Order. The CIA chief who
>> >> >Kennedy fired, Allen Dulles, was a Knight of Malta and the uncle of a
>h
>> >> >was John McCone, a Knight of Malta who served as an administrator at
>> >> >the Jesuit Loyola University. The head of CIA Counter-Intelligence,
>> >> >James Angleton, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >> >------------------------
>>
>> >> >WHO CONTROLLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
>>
>> >> >The Federal Reserve Bank was founded by agents of the Rockefellers/
>> >> >Rothschilds, both SMOM families, and is primarily controlled by the
>> >> >Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are banking agents of the Vatican:
>>
>> >> >"Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked
>> >> >them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the
>ointment =3D
>> >of
>> >> >Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and
>> >> >secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key
>> >> >to the wealth
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>>
>> >According to sources here, "Ben Holmes" is an alias for John McAdams,
>> >leading assassination cover-up artist. McAdams is a professor at the
>> >JESUIT Marquette University. He works for/with members of the Jesuit
>> >Order every day. He is an accomplice to the cover-up of the Jesuit/
>> >Vatican murder of John F. Kennedy.
>>
>> "According to sources here" - one kook who hates it when I point out
>> his lies.
>>
>> Looks like you're just as stupid. Can you offer *ANY EVIDENCE
>> WHATSOEVER* that I'm not who I claim to be? Do you have the courage
>> to *CALL* John McAdams and myself - and verify that we can't be in
>> two different states within minutes of your calls?
Dead silence. This speaks quite poorly of your researching skills, as well as
how you handle evidence. You clearly are more interested in finding "evidence"
that supports your worldview than in finding out the truth.
If you cannot defend your own assertions, then your character is thus revealed.
Blaming someone else for asserting it first isn't an excuse, you asserted that
I'm John McAdams, BASED ON NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER...
>> Just like the kook, Rob "Child Molester" Caprio - you're too stupid to
>> defend your silly theories on the basis of evidence, so you are forced
>> to attack the person pointing out your stupidity.
>
>No, I can be both defense and attack.
When do right, no can defense, eh?
>You wouldn't have gotten "attack" if you tried to have a well-reasoned
>debate, rather than simply dismissing my information off-hand.
Okay moron... explain why the Catholic Church has any vested interest in murder,
let alone the murder of the first CATHOLIC President of the U.S.
You make outrageously stupid assertions about religion, and you think that
people won't dismiss you for the kook that you are... you're wrong.
robcap...@netscape.com
on here because this board is loaded with LNers who are clueless about
the evidence let alone this kind of stuff.
You can ignore "Ben" too as he is really John McAdams posting under an
alias (or one of his main minions -- if NOT John my guess would be
Dave Reitzes) and he teaches at a Jesuit university!
Based on this you can figure out why this would be a "red herring" to
him, huh?
> trained by the Jesuits.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Carroll
> establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank -- their ...
>
> read more »
robcap...@netscape.com
> In article <9f219bea-0c84-45fd-9288-e61f77cc2...@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Like John couldn't have a student pose as Ben! Good one you lying
piece of crap!
YOU are John and YOUR words prove it. It seems he listed quite a lot
of sources John but YOU did NOT want to accept them, how come? What
did you list by the way? NOTHING is the answer!
YOU are paid to shoot down any idea by the one that says LHO did it
all by himself. As for the your lying slander about me you sicko YOU
said this!
“Robocop is a convicted child molester ?” (Jeff)
“Nah... he has a habit of asserting that others have said things they
never said. So I simply return the favor, and tell everyone that *HE*
has admitted child molestation. Each time he claims I said something I
never did... I simply do the same to him.
It doesn't seem to stop him from continuing to assert things I never
said however. He simply fails to understand how stupid it is to base a
debate on a lie.” (John McAdams/Ben Holmes—8/12/10)
ONLY John McAdams uses child molestation as a DEBATE TACTIC! NOTHING
proves to us more that you are John!
robcap...@netscape.com
minion of John's as much of this stuff has been researched for many
years and there is QUADRUPLE the evidence for this kind of stuff then
there is for LHO did all by himself!
For "Ben" to dismiss this out of hand with NO evidence being put up by
him just shows us all he is NOT who he cliams to be.
Thanks Johm!
Ben Holmes
LT says...
>
>On Aug 16, 9:24=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <3dd12511-2de0-4a0b-b49b-3f778093d...@j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> LT says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 16, 12:23=3DA0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> >> Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring.
>>
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>> >> LT says...
>>
>> >> >"The Catholic Church in the USA, financially can stand up to all the
>> >> >giant trusts of America. Politically, she looms ever larger in the
>> >> >White House, in the Senate and in the Congress. She is a force in the
>> >> >Pentagon, a secret agent in the FBI and the most subtly intangible
>e
>> >> >Agency."
>> >> >-Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36
>>
>> >> >Why Do We Overlook The Vatican?
>>
>> >> >The Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM), whose members are known
>y
>> >> >order that counts many influential people in modern history among it'=
>s
>> >> >members, including top intelligence operatives, high-level
>> >> >politicians, US Presidents, bankers, and media/entertainment
>> >> >executives.
>>
>> >> >Known as the "Pope's militia", nearly 50% of the organization is
>> >> >comprised from members of Europe's oldest/most-powerful "black
>> >> >nobility" families. A member of the Knights of Malta has a sworn
>> >> >allegiance to the Vatican, and acts as their soldier in whichever
>> >> >country they live in.
>>
>> >> >--------------
>>
>> >> >The CIA was a successor to the OSS, headed by William J. "Wild Bill"
>> >> >Donovan, a devout Roman Catholic and a decorated Knight of Malta. His
>n
>> >> >Order. It was Donovan who founded the CIA and Harry Solomon Truman, a
>o
>> >> >formally established it. Allen Dulles became the chief of the CIA
>> >> >until 1961, when he was dismissed by President John F. Kennedy and
>r
>> >> >to, during, and after the JFK assassination.
>>
>> >> >The FBI was founded by Charles J. Bonaparte before World War II and
>> >> >served as the domestic intelligence service during the war. Bonaparte
>> >> >was a Knight of Malta and a member of the Catholic University of
>> >> >America's Board of Trustees. J. Edgar Hoover was chosen to head the
>> >> >FBI, and he served in this position in the years before, the day of,
>> >> >and the years after the JFK assassination.
>>
>> >> >Allen Dulles was a Knight of Malta. His nephew, Avery Dulles, was a
>> >> >high-level Jesuit priest. Of Dulles, we read:
>>
>> >> >"Cardinal Francis Spellman, of New York , was the military vicar of
>> >> >the American Armed Forces in Vietnam. He was also the unofficial link
>> >> >between the pope and John Foster Dulles, the U.S. Secretary of State
>f the
>> >> >CIA."
>> >> >[Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36]
>>
>> >> >John McCone was a Knight of Malta. It's known that he also worked as
>> >> >an administrator at a Jesuit university (Loyola University -- named
>> >> >after Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuits). McCone was a devout
>> >> >Roman Catholic:
>> >> >http://www.nndb.com/people/738/000031645/
>>
>> >> >J. Edgar Hoover was a Knight of Malta. Of him, we read:
>>
>> >> >"So Catholics were ultimately preferred. Hoover reportedly favored
>> >> >Irish Catholic youths, finding them generally clean-cut and good-
>> >> >looking and earnest about their religion. He actively sought them out
>> >> >and later, after Notre Dame and Marquette [Jesuit] granted him
>> >> >honorary degrees, recruited heavily at those universities."
>> >> >[The Boss: J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition, Nathan
>> >> >G. Theoharis and John Stuart Cox, (New York: Bantam Books, 1990) p.
>> >> >234]
>>
>> >> >Then, there was Military-Intelligence -- a number of agencies
>g
>> >> >director was Joseph Carroll. Carroll, a devout Roman Catholic, was
>> >> >trained by the Jesuits.
>> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Carroll
>>
>> >> >Within the FBI is a counter-intelligence unit called Division 5. This
>> >> >is the covert/"dirty-tricks" section of the FBI. It was formed by
>d/
>> >> >dedicated Permindex/CMC companies, and it was headed by William C.
>> >> >Sullivan before, during, and after the assassination.
>>
>> >> >Sullivan was honored by the Jesuits:
>>
>> >> >"Mr. Sullivan held advanced degrees from American and George
>> >> >Washington Universities and an honorary doctorate from Boston
>> >> >College."
>> >> >http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/app_h.htm
>>
>> >> >[NOTE: Sullivan appears to have become a liability later on, and may
>> >> >have been planning to reveal things about the case. He was scheduled
>,
>> >> >he was shot by the son of a state policeman, who supposedly mistook
>> >> >him for a "deer". The gunshot wound was in his neck and the gun used
>> >> >by the shooter had a telescopic sight, throwing doubt onto the
>> >> >"accident" theory. Sullivan was one of six FBI operatives who fell
>> >> >victim to suspicious circumstances -- the other five were, like
>> >> >Sullivan, scheduled to testify before the HSCA. An organization able
>d
>> >> >"fatal falls" would likely have very widespread threads of influence/
>> >> >control. Consider the quote at the beginning of this post.]
>>
>s
>> >> >headed by James J. Angleton, and he would be implicated as a major
>> >> >player in the conspiracy/cover-up. Angleton was the head of the CIA's
>> >> >"Vatican Desk" and was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>e
>> >> >"real power" behind the bureau, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >> >-------------------
>>
>> >> >So, in short, the CIA, FBI, and Military-Intelligence, all founded by
>> >> >men closely tied, through their affiliations/associations, to the
>> >> >Vatican, were headed by men with close ties, through their
>> >> >affiliations/associations, to the Vatican in the years before, on the
>r-
>> >> >intelligence/dirty-tricks" factions.
>>
>> >> >-------------------
>>
>> >> >WHO WAS BEHIND THE VIETNAM WAR?
>>
>> >> >The following is from Avro Manhattan, an authority on the Vatican in
>> >> >world politics, in his book "Vietnam: Why Did We Go?":
>>
>> >> >"The political and military origin of the war of Vietnam has been
>> >> >described with millions of written and spoken words. Yet, nothing has
>> >> >been said about one of the most significant forces which contributed
>> >> >to its promotion, namely, the role played by religion, which in this
>> >> >case, means the part played by the Catholic Church, and by her
>t
>> >> >mere speculation. It is an historical fact as concrete as the presenc=
>e
>> >> >of the U.S., or the massive guerilla resistance of Asian communism.
>> >> >The activities of the last two have been scrutinized by thousands of
>> >> >books, but the former has never been assessed, not even in a
>> >> >summarized form. The Catholic Church must be considered as a main
>> >> >promoter in the origin, escalation and prosecution of the Vietnamese
>t
>> >> >in motion the avalanche that was to cause endless agonies in the
>> >> >Asiatic and American continents.
>>
>s
>> >> >dislocation of entire populations; political anarchy; military
>d
>> >> >world; the loss of thousands upon thousands of young Asian and
>> >> >American lives. Last but not least, the wounding, mutilation, and
>> >> >death of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children. The
>> >> >tragedy of Vietnam will go down in history as one of the most
>> >> >pernicious deeds of the contemporary alliance between politics and
>> >> >organized religion.
>>
>> >> >Factors of a political, ideological, economic, and military nature
>> >> >played no mean role in the unfolding of the war, but the religion of
>> >> >the Catholic Church was one of its main instigators. From the
>.
>> >> >Concrete facts however, cannot be wiped away so easily, and it is
>> >> >these which we shall now scrutinize, even if briefly."
>>
>> >> >In the forward, we read:
>>
>> >> >"Avro Manhattan, world authority on Vatican politics, has blown the
>> >> >cover on the real reason our boys suffered and died in Vietnam. He
>sia
>e
>> >> >to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
>>
>> >> >-----------------------
>>
>> >> >WHO CONTROLLED THE CIA?
>>
>> >> >As we've established, it was the Vatican that controlled/controls the
>> >> >CIA. Manhattan stated that the Jesuits were the "prime mover" within
>> >> >the CIA, and other evidence confirms this. The founder of the CIA was
>g
>> >> >a brother in the Roman Catholic Dominican Order. The CIA chief who
>> >> >Kennedy fired, Allen Dulles, was a Knight of Malta and the uncle of a
>h
>> >> >was John McCone, a Knight of Malta who served as an administrator at
>> >> >the Jesuit Loyola University. The head of CIA Counter-Intelligence,
>> >> >James Angleton, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >> >------------------------
>>
>> >> >WHO CONTROLLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
>>
>> >> >The Federal Reserve Bank was founded by agents of the Rockefellers/
>> >> >Rothschilds, both SMOM families, and is primarily controlled by the
>> >> >Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are banking agents of the Vatican:
>>
>> >> >"Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked
>> >> >them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the
>ointment =3D
>> >> >Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and
>> >> >secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key
>> >> >to the wealth
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>>
>> >Ben, are you aware
>>
>> I'm perfectly aware that if you had a bias and hatred of the Boy Scouts, =
>rather
>> than the Catholic Church, you could build an identically 'persuasive' cas=
>e.
>>
>> All these red herrings being dragged across the case simply bypass the ob=
>Dames of Malta? They are a Vatican MILITARY ORDER. Their members are
>soldiers of the Papacy.
>
>When one considers the Vatican/Jesuit control in the world going back
>centuries, combine it with:
>a) The fact that they were behind the CIA, Vietnam War, and Federal
>Reserve Bank
Let's not forget the Boy Scouts... (Or is that Jewish controlled? I can't keep
all the stupid theories categorized properly...)
What I'm sure everyone is noticing is zero evidence behind these "facts" you
list.
>b) Kennedy wanted to destroy all three of those institutions
Remarkable!!!
The first American President elected who was a Catholic,
was killed because of.... ???
Supporting the 'Vatican agenda'?
or
Opposing the 'Vatican agenda'?
>c) The CIA/FBI/Military-Intelligence/SS, all of which can be connected
>to the Dallas events, were run by Vatican knights
>d) Abraham Lincoln, who also opposed the Jesuits, was killed by a
>Papist conspiracy
So if you oppose the Vatican, you'll be killed, and if you support the Vatican,
you'll be killed.
Brilliant analysis...
Either that, or you're arguing that Kennedy, the first Catholic American
President, was opposed to the Vatican.
>Consider these facts,
No. They *aren't* "facts". You've provided zilch to support such inane "facts".
Nor can you.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, *NO-ONE* is entitled to their own facts.
Amazing!!! The Secret Service followed the orders of a car manufacturer!!
Did Bill Gates repossess their computers too?
>Iacocca was a Knight of Malta who met with the Jesuits on a
>weekly basis for face-to-face "retreats". His Vatican/Jesuit
>connections are the only plausible way to explain his involvement in
>the cover-up.
A classic logical blunder. Presuming the facts...
>*At the time of the assassination, the CIA was headed by John McCone,
>a Knight-of-Malta/Jesuit-Administrator and it's counter-intelligence
>unit was headed by James Angleton, a Knight of Malta. Avro Manhattan
Ah yes, a solid researchers lead. Let's see what Wikipedia says:
"Avro Manhattan (1914-1990) was a writer and philosopher, primarily known for
his criticisms of the Roman Catholic Church".
Oh yes, quite convincing...
>described the Jesuits as the "prime mover" behind the CIA. Prior to
>McCone's CIA reign, Allen Dulles was the CIA chief. He was a Knight of
>Malta and the uncle of Avery Dulles, a high-level Jesuit. Much of the
>CIA was formed by Nazi remnants led by Reinhard Gehlen, the Knight of
>Malta and former Nazi Intel chief who would organize the CIA's
>activities in Europe. The CIA had been founded by Knight of Malta
>William Donovan, a recipient of the Grand Cross of the Order of St.
>Sylvester (Highest award given by the Roman Catholic Church) and the
>brother of Vincent Donovan, a Roman Catholic priest of the Dominican
>Order.
>
>*At the time of the assassination, the FBI was headed by J. Edgar
>Hoover, a Knight of Malta. The third-in-command at the FBI, who many
>say was the "real power" behind the bureau,
Another ridiculous statement with zero evidence.
Anyone even vaguely familiar with the FBI knows that Hoover ran it with
virtually dictatorial power.
If I had any interest whatsoever in such nonsense, I could compile an equally
'devastating' list of Boy Scouts involved.
Another kook has already done so with the "Skull & Bones", I doubt if the Boy
Scouts would pose any problem. (other than the time wasted in researching it)
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>Top Post: NOT everyone ignores this stuff LT, it is just not discussed
>on here because this board is loaded with LNers who are clueless about
>the evidence let alone this kind of stuff.
>
>You can ignore "Ben" too as he is really John McAdams posting under an
>alias (or one of his main minions -- if NOT John my guess would be
>Dave Reitzes) and he teaches at a Jesuit university!
>
>Based on this you can figure out why this would be a "red herring" to
>him, huh?
Kooks of a feather flock together...
>> and therefore the Secretary=92s brother, Alan, who was the head of the
>> traces their death to the Vatican=92s passionate desire to make Asia
>> Roman Catholic. Vatican agents hatched and plotted the Vietnam War.
>> American soldiers were serving the Vatican in their desperate struggle
>> to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
>> destruction. It was all engineered by=85her Jesuits."
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
>> WHO CONTROLLED THE CIA?
>>
>> As we've established, it was the Vatican that controlled/controls the
>> CIA. Manhattan stated that the Jesuits were the "prime mover" within
>> the CIA, and other evidence confirms this. The founder of the CIA was
>> an obvious Vatican agent, being a decorated Knight of Malta and having
>> a brother in the Roman Catholic Dominican Order. The CIA chief who
>> Kennedy fired, Allen Dulles, was a Knight of Malta and the uncle of a
>> Jesuit priest. The CIA chief before, during, and after Kennedy's death
>> was John McCone, a Knight of Malta who served as an administrator at
>> the Jesuit Loyola University. The head of CIA Counter-Intelligence,
>> James Angleton, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> ------------------------
>>
>> WHO CONTROLLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
>>
>> The Federal Reserve Bank was founded by agents of the Rockefellers/
>> Rothschilds, both SMOM families, and is primarily controlled by the
>> Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are banking agents of the Vatican:
>>
>> "Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked
>> them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the
>> title =91Guardians of the Vatican Treasury=92=85. The appointment of
>> Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and
>> secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key
>> to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church?"
>> [F. Tupper Saussy, Rulers of Evil, page 160]
>>
>> I urge the serious researcher to read the true background/facts of the
>> sinking of the Titanic:http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_titanic1.htm
>>
>> On board the Titanic were the three men who were most opposed to the
>> establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank -- their ...
>>
>> read more =BB
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 16, 9:21=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <9f219bea-0c84-45fd-9288-e61f77cc2...@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> LT says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 16, 12:23=3DA0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> >> Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring.
>>
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>> >> LT says...
>>
>> >> >"The Catholic Church in the USA, financially can stand up to all the
>> >> >giant trusts of America. Politically, she looms ever larger in the
>> >> >White House, in the Senate and in the Congress. She is a force in the
>> >> >Pentagon, a secret agent in the FBI and the most subtly intangible
>e
>> >> >Agency."
>> >> >-Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36
>>
>> >> >Why Do We Overlook The Vatican?
>>
>> >> >The Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM), whose members are known
>y
>> >> >order that counts many influential people in modern history among it'=
>s
>> >> >members, including top intelligence operatives, high-level
>> >> >politicians, US Presidents, bankers, and media/entertainment
>> >> >executives.
>>
>> >> >Known as the "Pope's militia", nearly 50% of the organization is
>> >> >comprised from members of Europe's oldest/most-powerful "black
>> >> >nobility" families. A member of the Knights of Malta has a sworn
>> >> >allegiance to the Vatican, and acts as their soldier in whichever
>> >> >country they live in.
>>
>> >> >--------------
>>
>> >> >The CIA was a successor to the OSS, headed by William J. "Wild Bill"
>> >> >Donovan, a devout Roman Catholic and a decorated Knight of Malta. His
>n
>> >> >Order. It was Donovan who founded the CIA and Harry Solomon Truman, a
>o
>> >> >formally established it. Allen Dulles became the chief of the CIA
>> >> >until 1961, when he was dismissed by President John F. Kennedy and
>r
>> >> >to, during, and after the JFK assassination.
>>
>> >> >The FBI was founded by Charles J. Bonaparte before World War II and
>> >> >served as the domestic intelligence service during the war. Bonaparte
>> >> >was a Knight of Malta and a member of the Catholic University of
>> >> >America's Board of Trustees. J. Edgar Hoover was chosen to head the
>> >> >FBI, and he served in this position in the years before, the day of,
>> >> >and the years after the JFK assassination.
>>
>> >> >Allen Dulles was a Knight of Malta. His nephew, Avery Dulles, was a
>> >> >high-level Jesuit priest. Of Dulles, we read:
>>
>> >> >"Cardinal Francis Spellman, of New York , was the military vicar of
>> >> >the American Armed Forces in Vietnam. He was also the unofficial link
>> >> >between the pope and John Foster Dulles, the U.S. Secretary of State
>f the
>> >> >CIA."
>> >> >[Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36]
>>
>> >> >John McCone was a Knight of Malta. It's known that he also worked as
>> >> >an administrator at a Jesuit university (Loyola University -- named
>> >> >after Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuits). McCone was a devout
>> >> >Roman Catholic:
>> >> >http://www.nndb.com/people/738/000031645/
>>
>> >> >J. Edgar Hoover was a Knight of Malta. Of him, we read:
>>
>> >> >"So Catholics were ultimately preferred. Hoover reportedly favored
>> >> >Irish Catholic youths, finding them generally clean-cut and good-
>> >> >looking and earnest about their religion. He actively sought them out
>> >> >and later, after Notre Dame and Marquette [Jesuit] granted him
>> >> >honorary degrees, recruited heavily at those universities."
>> >> >[The Boss: J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition, Nathan
>> >> >G. Theoharis and John Stuart Cox, (New York: Bantam Books, 1990) p.
>> >> >234]
>>
>> >> >Then, there was Military-Intelligence -- a number of agencies
>g
>> >> >director was Joseph Carroll. Carroll, a devout Roman Catholic, was
>> >> >trained by the Jesuits.
>> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Carroll
>>
>> >> >Within the FBI is a counter-intelligence unit called Division 5. This
>> >> >is the covert/"dirty-tricks" section of the FBI. It was formed by
>d/
>> >> >dedicated Permindex/CMC companies, and it was headed by William C.
>> >> >Sullivan before, during, and after the assassination.
>>
>> >> >Sullivan was honored by the Jesuits:
>>
>> >> >"Mr. Sullivan held advanced degrees from American and George
>> >> >Washington Universities and an honorary doctorate from Boston
>> >> >College."
>> >> >http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/app_h.htm
>>
>> >> >[NOTE: Sullivan appears to have become a liability later on, and may
>> >> >have been planning to reveal things about the case. He was scheduled
>,
>> >> >he was shot by the son of a state policeman, who supposedly mistook
>> >> >him for a "deer". The gunshot wound was in his neck and the gun used
>> >> >by the shooter had a telescopic sight, throwing doubt onto the
>> >> >"accident" theory. Sullivan was one of six FBI operatives who fell
>> >> >victim to suspicious circumstances -- the other five were, like
>> >> >Sullivan, scheduled to testify before the HSCA. An organization able
>d
>> >> >"fatal falls" would likely have very widespread threads of influence/
>> >> >control. Consider the quote at the beginning of this post.]
>>
>s
>> >> >headed by James J. Angleton, and he would be implicated as a major
>> >> >player in the conspiracy/cover-up. Angleton was the head of the CIA's
>> >> >"Vatican Desk" and was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>e
>> >> >"real power" behind the bureau, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >> >-------------------
>>
>> >> >So, in short, the CIA, FBI, and Military-Intelligence, all founded by
>> >> >men closely tied, through their affiliations/associations, to the
>> >> >Vatican, were headed by men with close ties, through their
>> >> >affiliations/associations, to the Vatican in the years before, on the
>r-
>> >> >intelligence/dirty-tricks" factions.
>>
>> >> >-------------------
>>
>> >> >WHO WAS BEHIND THE VIETNAM WAR?
>>
>> >> >The following is from Avro Manhattan, an authority on the Vatican in
>> >> >world politics, in his book "Vietnam: Why Did We Go?":
>>
>> >> >"The political and military origin of the war of Vietnam has been
>> >> >described with millions of written and spoken words. Yet, nothing has
>> >> >been said about one of the most significant forces which contributed
>> >> >to its promotion, namely, the role played by religion, which in this
>> >> >case, means the part played by the Catholic Church, and by her
>t
>> >> >mere speculation. It is an historical fact as concrete as the presenc=
>e
>> >> >of the U.S., or the massive guerilla resistance of Asian communism.
>> >> >The activities of the last two have been scrutinized by thousands of
>> >> >books, but the former has never been assessed, not even in a
>> >> >summarized form. The Catholic Church must be considered as a main
>> >> >promoter in the origin, escalation and prosecution of the Vietnamese
>t
>> >> >in motion the avalanche that was to cause endless agonies in the
>> >> >Asiatic and American continents.
>>
>s
>> >> >dislocation of entire populations; political anarchy; military
>d
>> >> >world; the loss of thousands upon thousands of young Asian and
>> >> >American lives. Last but not least, the wounding, mutilation, and
>> >> >death of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children. The
>> >> >tragedy of Vietnam will go down in history as one of the most
>> >> >pernicious deeds of the contemporary alliance between politics and
>> >> >organized religion.
>>
>> >> >Factors of a political, ideological, economic, and military nature
>> >> >played no mean role in the unfolding of the war, but the religion of
>> >> >the Catholic Church was one of its main instigators. From the
>.
>> >> >Concrete facts however, cannot be wiped away so easily, and it is
>> >> >these which we shall now scrutinize, even if briefly."
>>
>> >> >In the forward, we read:
>>
>> >> >"Avro Manhattan, world authority on Vatican politics, has blown the
>> >> >cover on the real reason our boys suffered and died in Vietnam. He
>sia
>e
>> >> >to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
>>
>> >> >-----------------------
>>
>> >> >WHO CONTROLLED THE CIA?
>>
>> >> >As we've established, it was the Vatican that controlled/controls the
>> >> >CIA. Manhattan stated that the Jesuits were the "prime mover" within
>> >> >the CIA, and other evidence confirms this. The founder of the CIA was
>g
>> >> >a brother in the Roman Catholic Dominican Order. The CIA chief who
>> >> >Kennedy fired, Allen Dulles, was a Knight of Malta and the uncle of a
>h
>> >> >was John McCone, a Knight of Malta who served as an administrator at
>> >> >the Jesuit Loyola University. The head of CIA Counter-Intelligence,
>> >> >James Angleton, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >> >------------------------
>>
>> >> >WHO CONTROLLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
>>
>> >> >The Federal Reserve Bank was founded by agents of the Rockefellers/
>> >> >Rothschilds, both SMOM families, and is primarily controlled by the
>> >> >Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are banking agents of the Vatican:
>>
>> >> >"Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked
>> >> >them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the
>ointment =3D
>> >> >Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and
>> >> >secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key
>> >> >to the wealth
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>>
>> >According to sources here, "Ben Holmes" is an alias for John McAdams,
>> >leading assassination cover-up artist. McAdams is a professor at the
>> >JESUIT Marquette University. He works for/with members of the Jesuit
>> >Order every day. He is an accomplice to the cover-up of the Jesuit/
>> >Vatican murder of John F. Kennedy.
>>
>> "According to sources here" - one kook who hates it when I point out
>> his lies.
>>
>> Looks like you're just as stupid. Can you offer *ANY EVIDENCE
>> WHATSOEVER* that I'm not who I claim to be? Do you have the courage
>> to *CALL* John McAdams and myself - and verify that we can't be in
>> two different states within minutes of your calls?
>>
>> Just like the kook, Rob "Child Molester" Caprio - you're too stupid
>> to defend your silly theories on the basis of evidence, so you are
>> forced to attack the person pointing out your stupidity.
>
>Like John couldn't have a student pose as Ben! Good one you lying
>piece of crap!
A student who lives across the country? Stupid, aren't you moron? Too cowardly
to actually *research* your silly idea.
>YOU are John and YOUR words prove it. It seems he listed quite a lot
>of sources John but YOU did NOT want to accept them, how come? What
>did you list by the way? NOTHING is the answer!
>
>YOU are paid to shoot down any idea by the one that says LHO did it
>all by himself.
Oh no! I do this completely free of charge! It's *FUN* to point out how stupid
you are!!!
>As for the your lying slander about me you sicko YOU
>said this!
>
>=93Robocop is a convicted child molester ?=94 (Jeff)
>
>=93Nah... he has a habit of asserting that others have said things they
>never said. So I simply return the favor, and tell everyone that *HE*
>has admitted child molestation. Each time he claims I said something I
>never did... I simply do the same to him.
>
>It doesn't seem to stop him from continuing to assert things I never
>said however. He simply fails to understand how stupid it is to base a
>debate on a lie.=94 (Ben Holmes=978/12/10)
Yep... I said that. I stand by it, it's entirely accurate.
>ONLY John McAdams uses child molestation as a DEBATE TACTIC! NOTHING
>proves to us more that you are John!
Provably false. I invite anyone to type this into Google: "child molester"
groups.google
There's currently 23,400 results for that search term.
And since McAdams asserts, like you, that JFK died on 11/22/63 - you're clearly
simply another nom de plume for John McAdams.
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>To the Few CTers here -- NOTHING proves "Ben" is either John or a top
>minion of John's as much of this stuff has been researched for many
>years
If it's been "researched for many years" - give us the motive for the Vatican to
murder the first Catholic American President.
Surely in all these years of "research", someone has managed to do what they
couldn't do for LHO, right?
>and there is QUADRUPLE the evidence for this kind of stuff then
>there is for LHO did all by himself!
Of course, such an implication that I've EVER asserted such is a lie.
Oswald had a very solid alibi, IMO - and was only peripherally involved, if at
all.
>For "Ben" to dismiss this out of hand with NO evidence being put up by
>him
That's strange... I thought that the one providing the assertions was the one
who had to provide the evidence.
Quite clearly, the *REAL* rule is that whoever disagrees with the kook must
provide the evidence.
>just shows us all he is NOT who he cliams to be.
>
>Thanks!
You're welcome, moron.
LT
> In article <a8a0fec9-21ad-4860-96ba-0f5d2924a...@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
I'll ignore your moronic "kook" comments, but I'll address your
argument -- you want me to explain why:
A) The Catholic Church has any vested interest in murder
B) The Catholic Church has any vested interest in the murder of the
first (No) Catholic President, JFK
=============
A)
I redirect you to a large collection of quotes about the Vatican/
Jesuit-Order which will paint it in a not-so-innocent light:
http://calltodecision.com/qct.htm
After reading these, look up anti-Vatican/Jesuit/SMOM material and you
will find information relating to years and years of subversion,
infiltration, and assassinations (Including American President Lincoln
and others) that can be linked to the Vatican.
B)
Here's three very strong motives:
http://www.blackopforum.info/index.php/topic,530.msg2546.html#msg2546
I'd consider this one the strongest, however:
"With this report in hand, President Kennedy had what he wanted. It
contained the essence of decisions he had to make. He had to get re-
elected to finish programs set in motion during his first term; he had
to get Americans out of Vietnam."
http://books.google.ca/books?id=MNcB4QaX7gMC&pg=PA264&lpg=PA264&dq=With+this+report+in+hand,+President+Kennedy+had+what+he+wanted.+It+contained+the+essence+of+decisions+he+had+to+make.+He+had+to+get+reelected+to+finish+programs+set+in+motion+during+his+first+term%3B+he+had+to+get+Americans+out+of+Vietnam.%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=oY_W-xIdJZ&sig=8zlF_dJMq6mohLA2v_VRkU8-OuY&hl=en&ei=1z9ITOneAoX7lweG173-Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=With%20this%20report%20in%20hand%2C%20President%20Kennedy%20had%20what%20he%20wanted.%20It%20contained%20the%20essence%20of%20decisions%20he%20had%20to%20make.%20He%20had%20to%20get%20reelected%20to%20finish%20programs%20set%20in%20motion%20during%20his%20first%20term%3B%20he%20had%20to%20get%20Americans%20out%20of%20Vietnam.%E2%80%9D&f=false
"At 8:30 a.m., Saturday, the 23rd of November, 1963, the limousine
carrying CIA director John McCone pulled into the White House
grounds…. He was also there to transact one piece of business prior to
becoming involved in all the details entailed in a presidential
transition — the signing of National Security Memorandum 278, a
classified document which immediately reversed John Kennedy’s decision
to de-escalate the war in Vietnam. The effect of Memorandum 278 would
give the Central Intelligence Agency carte blanche to proceed with a
full-scale war in the Far East…. In effect, as of November 23, 1963,
the Far East would replace Cuba as the thorn in America’s side. It
would also create a whole new source of narcotics for the Mafia’s
worldwide markets."
[First Hand Knowledge, p249]
"The political and military origin of the war of Vietnam has been
described with millions of written and spoken words. Yet, nothing has
been said about one of the most significant forces which contributed
to its promotion, namely, the role played by religion, which in this
case, means the part played by the Catholic Church, and by her
diplomatic counterpart, the Vatican. Their active participation is not
mere speculation. It is an historical fact as concrete as the presence
of the U.S., or the massive guerilla resistance of Asian communism.
The activities of the last two have been scrutinized by thousands of
books, but the former has never been assessed, not even in a
summarized form. The Catholic Church must be considered as a main
promoter in the origin, escalation and prosecution of the Vietnamese
conflict. From the very beginning this religious motivation helped set
in motion the avalanche that was to cause endless agonies in the
Asiatic and American continents.
The price paid was immense: thousands of billions of dollars; the mass
dislocation of entire populations; political anarchy; military
devastation on an unprecedented scale; the disgrace upon the civilized
world; the loss of thousands upon thousands of young Asian and
American lives. Last but not least, the wounding, mutilation, and
death of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children. The
tragedy of Vietnam will go down in history as one of the most
pernicious deeds of the contemporary alliance between politics and
organized religion.
Factors of a political, ideological, economic, and military nature
played no mean role in the unfolding of the war, but the religion of
the Catholic Church was one of its main instigators. From the
beginning her role has been minimized when not obliterated altogether.
Concrete facts however, cannot be wiped away so easily, and it is
these which we shall now scrutinize, even if briefly.
...
Avro Manhattan, world authority on Vatican politics, has blown the
cover on the real reason our boys suffered and died in Vietnam. He
traces their death to the Vatican’s passionate desire to make Asia
Roman Catholic. Vatican agents hatched and plotted the Vietnam War.
American soldiers were serving the Vatican in their desperate struggle
to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
destruction. It was all engineered by…her Jesuits."
[Avro Manhattan's "Vietnam: Why Did We Go?" -- Page 3, Page 13]
So, to sum up:
-JFK was planning on deescalating the Vietnam War.
-The Vietnam War was a Vatican/Jesuit modern papal crusade to
"Catholicize" Asia.
-The morning after JFK is killed, the John McCone (Knight of Malta,
Jesuit Admin) facilitates/oversees the reversal of JFK's deescalation
plans.
Add this to the fact that the CIA/FBI/Military-Intelligence/Secret-
Service were ALL under the control of men who had very close
affiliations to the Vatican/Jesuits. Then, consider that of Oswald's
two handlers/"friends" in New Orleans, one was a Knight of Malta and
the other was a Jesuit-trained former Catholic priest. Add that to the
fact that Oswald himself was the cousin of a Jesuit priest, and had
spoken at a Jesuit House of Studies in the summer of 1963. Add that to
the fact that the Anti-Castro Cubans were established by Allen Dulles,
a Knight of Malta/Uncle-of-a-Jesuit, who trained them on plantations
run by the co-chair of the Honduran branch of the Knights of Malta.
Add that to the fact that the Warren Commission was controlled by
Knight of Malta Dulles and fictionalized by Knight of Malta Ford. Add
that to the fact that the man who ordered Carl Renas to bring the limo
to a Cincinatti dealership where the evidence was destroyed was Lee
Iacocca, a Knight of Malta with close ties to the Jesuits.
And add to that the fact that John McAdams is a professor at a Jesuit
university and works with/for members of the Jesuit Order every day.
Then consider that Gerald Posner was trained at a private Jesuit
school.
JFK, like Lincoln, opposed the Jesuits/Vatican and was killed for it.
Ben Holmes
LT says...
>
>On Aug 16, 2:23=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <a8a0fec9-21ad-4860-96ba-0f5d2924a...@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> LT says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 16, 9:21=3DA0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <9f219bea-0c84-45fd-9288-e61f77cc2...@f6g2000yqa.googlegrou=
>ps.=3D
>> >com>,
>> >> LT says...
>>
>> >> >On Aug 16, 12:23=3D3DA0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring.
>>
>gro=3D
>> >ups=3D3D
>> >> >.com>,
>> >> >> LT says...
>>
>> >> >> >"The Catholic Church in the USA, financially can stand up to all t=
>he
>> >> >> >giant trusts of America. Politically, she looms ever larger in the
>the
>> >> >> >Pentagon, a secret agent in the FBI and the most subtly intangible
>enc=3D
>> >e
>> >> >> >Agency."
>> >> >> >-Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36
>>
>> >> >> >Why Do We Overlook The Vatican?
>>
>own
>> >> >> >as "Knights" (Masculine) and "Dames" (Feminine), is a Vatican mili=
>tar=3D
>> >y
>> >> >> >order that counts many influential people in modern history among =
>it'=3D
>> >s
>> >> >> >members, including top intelligence operatives, high-level
>> >> >> >politicians, US Presidents, bankers, and media/entertainment
>> >> >> >executives.
>>
>> >> >> >Known as the "Pope's militia", nearly 50% of the organization is
>> >> >> >comprised from members of Europe's oldest/most-powerful "black
>> >> >> >nobility" families. A member of the Knights of Malta has a sworn
>> >> >> >allegiance to the Vatican, and acts as their soldier in whichever
>> >> >> >country they live in.
>>
>> >> >> >--------------
>>
>l"
>> >> >> >Donovan, a devout Roman Catholic and a decorated Knight of Malta. =
>His
>> >> >> >brother, Vincent Donovan, was a Roman Catholic priest of the Domin=
>ica=3D
>> >n
>> >> >> >Order. It was Donovan who founded the CIA and Harry Solomon Truman=
>, a
>> >> >> >high-degree Freemason who had been put into office by the Jesuits,=
> wh=3D
>> >o
>> >> >> >formally established it. Allen Dulles became the chief of the CIA
>> >> >> >until 1961, when he was dismissed by President John F. Kennedy and
>rio=3D
>> >r
>> >> >> >to, during, and after the JFK assassination.
>>
>d
>> >> >> >served as the domestic intelligence service during the war. Bonapa=
>rte
>> >> >> >was a Knight of Malta and a member of the Catholic University of
>e
>> >> >> >FBI, and he served in this position in the years before, the day o=
>f,
>> >> >> >and the years after the JFK assassination.
>>
>a
>> >> >> >high-level Jesuit priest. Of Dulles, we read:
>>
>f
>> >> >> >the American Armed Forces in Vietnam. He was also the unofficial l=
>ink
>> >> >> >between the pope and John Foster Dulles, the U.S. Secretary of Sta=
>te
>> >> >> >and therefore the Secretary=3D3D3D92s brother, Alan, who was the h=
>ead o=3D
>> >f the
>> >> >> >CIA."
>> >> >> >[Avro Manhattan, Murder in the Vatican, Ozark Books, pp. 35, 36]
>>
>as
>> >> >> >an administrator at a Jesuit university (Loyola University -- name=
>d
>> >> >> >after Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuits). McCone was a devou=
>t
>> >> >> >Roman Catholic:
>> >> >> >http://www.nndb.com/people/738/000031645/
>>
>> >> >> >J. Edgar Hoover was a Knight of Malta. Of him, we read:
>>
>> >> >> >"So Catholics were ultimately preferred. Hoover reportedly favored
>> >> >> >Irish Catholic youths, finding them generally clean-cut and good-
>out
>> >> >> >and later, after Notre Dame and Marquette [Jesuit] granted him
>> >> >> >honorary degrees, recruited heavily at those universities."
>han
>> >> >> >G. Theoharis and John Stuart Cox, (New York: Bantam Books, 1990) p=
>.
>> >> >> >234]
>>
>> >> >> >Then, there was Military-Intelligence -- a number of agencies
>din=3D
>> >g
>> >> >> >director was Joseph Carroll. Carroll, a devout Roman Catholic, was
>> >> >> >trained by the Jesuits.
>> >> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Carroll
>>
>his
>> >> >> >is the covert/"dirty-tricks" section of the FBI. It was formed by
>ase=3D
>> >d/
>> >> >> >dedicated Permindex/CMC companies, and it was headed by William C.
>> >> >> >Sullivan before, during, and after the assassination.
>>
>> >> >> >Sullivan was honored by the Jesuits:
>>
>> >> >> >"Mr. Sullivan held advanced degrees from American and George
>> >> >> >Washington Universities and an honorary doctorate from Boston
>> >> >> >College."
>> >> >> >http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/app_h.htm
>>
>ay
>> >> >> >have been planning to reveal things about the case. He was schedul=
>ed
>> >> >> >to testify before the HSCA but was never able to. On November 9, 1=
>977=3D
>> >,
>> >> >> >he was shot by the son of a state policeman, who supposedly mistoo=
>k
>> >> >> >him for a "deer". The gunshot wound was in his neck and the gun us=
>ed
>> >> >> >by the shooter had a telescopic sight, throwing doubt onto the
>> >> >> >"accident" theory. Sullivan was one of six FBI operatives who fell
>> >> >> >victim to suspicious circumstances -- the other five were, like
>le
>> >> >> >to engineer large numbers of "accidental deaths", "heart attacks",=
> an=3D
>> >d
>> >> >> >"fatal falls" would likely have very widespread threads of influen=
>ce/
>> >> >> >control. Consider the quote at the beginning of this post.]
>>
> wa=3D
>> >s
>> >> >> >headed by James J. Angleton, and he would be implicated as a major
>A's
>> >> >> >"Vatican Desk" and was a Knight of Malta.
>>
> th=3D
>> >e
>> >> >> >"real power" behind the bureau, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >> >> >-------------------
>>
> by
>> >> >> >men closely tied, through their affiliations/associations, to the
>> >> >> >Vatican, were headed by men with close ties, through their
>the
>> >> >> >day of, and in the years after the assassination, as were the "cou=
>nte=3D
>> >r-
>> >> >> >intelligence/dirty-tricks" factions.
>>
>> >> >> >-------------------
>>
>> >> >> >WHO WAS BEHIND THE VIETNAM WAR?
>>
>in
>> >> >> >world politics, in his book "Vietnam: Why Did We Go?":
>>
>> >> >> >"The political and military origin of the war of Vietnam has been
>has
>> >> >> >been said about one of the most significant forces which contribut=
>ed
>> >> >> >to its promotion, namely, the role played by religion, which in th=
>is
>> >> >> >case, means the part played by the Catholic Church, and by her
> no=3D
>> >t
>> >> >> >mere speculation. It is an historical fact as concrete as the pres=
>enc=3D
>> >e
>> >> >> >of the U.S., or the massive guerilla resistance of Asian communism=
>.
>> >> >> >The activities of the last two have been scrutinized by thousands =
>of
>> >> >> >books, but the former has never been assessed, not even in a
>> >> >> >summarized form. The Catholic Church must be considered as a main
>se
>> >> >> >conflict. From the very beginning this religious motivation helped=
> se=3D
>> >t
>> >> >> >in motion the avalanche that was to cause endless agonies in the
>> >> >> >Asiatic and American continents.
>>
>mas=3D
>> >s
>> >> >> >dislocation of entire populations; political anarchy; military
>ize=3D
>> >d
>> >> >> >world; the loss of thousands upon thousands of young Asian and
>> >> >> >American lives. Last but not least, the wounding, mutilation, and
>> >> >> >death of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children. The
>> >> >> >tragedy of Vietnam will go down in history as one of the most
>> >> >> >pernicious deeds of the contemporary alliance between politics and
>> >> >> >organized religion.
>>
>> >> >> >Factors of a political, ideological, economic, and military nature
>of
>> >> >> >the Catholic Church was one of its main instigators. From the
>her=3D
>> >.
>> >> >> >Concrete facts however, cannot be wiped away so easily, and it is
>> >> >> >these which we shall now scrutinize, even if briefly."
>>
>> >> >> >In the forward, we read:
>>
>e
>> >> >> >cover on the real reason our boys suffered and died in Vietnam. He
>ake A=3D
>> >sia
>> >> >> >Roman Catholic. Vatican agents hatched and plotted the Vietnam War=
>.
>> >> >> >American soldiers were serving the Vatican in their desperate stru=
>ggl=3D
>> >e
>> >> >> >to survive the jungles, the hell of warfare, pain, death and
>>
>> >> >> >-----------------------
>>
>> >> >> >WHO CONTROLLED THE CIA?
>>
>the
>> >> >> >CIA. Manhattan stated that the Jesuits were the "prime mover" with=
>in
>> >> >> >the CIA, and other evidence confirms this. The founder of the CIA =
>was
>> >> >> >an obvious Vatican agent, being a decorated Knight of Malta and ha=
>vin=3D
>> >g
>> >> >> >a brother in the Roman Catholic Dominican Order. The CIA chief who
>f a
>> >> >> >Jesuit priest. The CIA chief before, during, and after Kennedy's d=
>eat=3D
>> >h
>> >> >> >was John McCone, a Knight of Malta who served as an administrator =
>at
>> >> >> >the Jesuit Loyola University. The head of CIA Counter-Intelligence=
>,
>> >> >> >James Angleton, was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >> >> >------------------------
>>
>> >> >> >WHO CONTROLLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
>>
>/
>> >> >> >Rothschilds, both SMOM families, and is primarily controlled by th=
>e
>> >> >> >Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are banking agents of the Vatican:
>>
>ed
>> >> >> >them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the
>. The app=3D
>> >ointment =3D3D
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and
>ey
>> >> >> >to the wealth
>>
>> >> >> ...
>>
>>
>> >> >According to sources here, "Ben Holmes" is an alias for John McAdams,
>> >> >leading assassination cover-up artist. McAdams is a professor at the
>> >> >JESUIT Marquette University. He works for/with members of the Jesuit
>> >> >Order every day. He is an accomplice to the cover-up of the Jesuit/
>> >> >Vatican murder of John F. Kennedy.
>>
>> >> "According to sources here" - one kook who hates it when I point out
>> >> his lies.
>>
>> >> Looks like you're just as stupid. Can you offer *ANY EVIDENCE
>> >> WHATSOEVER* that I'm not who I claim to be? Do you have the courage
>> >> to *CALL* John McAdams and myself - and verify that we can't be in
>> >> two different states within minutes of your calls?
>>
>> Dead silence. This speaks quite poorly of your researching skills,
>> as well as how you handle evidence. You clearly are more interested
>> in finding "evidence" that supports your worldview than in finding
>> out the truth.
>>
>> If you cannot defend your own assertions, then your character is thus
>> revealed.
>>
>> Blaming someone else for asserting it first isn't an excuse, you
>> asserted that I'm John McAdams, BASED ON NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER...
Dead silence.
>> >> Just like the kook, Rob "Child Molester" Caprio - you're too stupid to
>> >> defend your silly theories on the basis of evidence, so you are forced
>> >> to attack the person pointing out your stupidity.
>>
>> >No, I can be both defense and attack.
>>
>> When do right, no can defense, eh?
>>
>> >You wouldn't have gotten "attack" if you tried to have a well-reasoned
>> >debate, rather than simply dismissing my information off-hand.
>>
>> Okay moron... explain why the Catholic Church has any vested interest
>> in murder, let alone the murder of the first CATHOLIC President of the U.S.
>>
>> You make outrageously stupid assertions about religion, and you think
>> that people won't dismiss you for the kook that you are... you're wrong.
>>
>I'll ignore your moronic "kook" comments, but I'll address your
>argument -- you want me to explain why:
No, you'll start responding to my statements or you'll have yours snipped.
I want you to *BEGIN* with your moronic attack on who I am. See if you can cite
any evidence whatsoever...
Coondog
wrote:
> Top Post: NOT everyone ignores this stuff LT, it is just not discussed
> on here because this board is loaded with LNers who are clueless about
> the evidence let alone this kind of stuff.
>
> You can ignore "Ben" too as he is really John McAdams posting under an
> alias (or one of his main minions -- if NOT John my guess would be
> Dave Reitzes) and he teaches at a Jesuit university!
>
> Based on this you can figure out why this would be a "red herring" to
> him, huh?
I guess better a red herring than the pile of horse turds it appears
to me. What a load of crap.
Bill Clarke
curtjester1
> In article <9f219bea-0c84-45fd-9288-e61f77cc2...@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Ben thinks any affiliations or groups with power and money are
worthy. He's a little right of right, and well has a block of how
anything can be evil with such beauty.
CJ
curtjester1
Rev. 13 - 19 is quite revealing for religion, power, and earthly rule.
CJ
On Aug 15, 10:24 pm, LT <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> trained by the Jesuits.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Carroll
> establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank -- their ...
>
> read more »
Sam McClung
> *The Zapruder film was bought by Time/Life and hidden for 11 years.
> Who headed Time/Life? Henry Luce. He and his wife, Clare Booth, were
> both members of the Knights of Malta.
>
> *E. Howard Hunt, the CIA assassin who was in Dallas the day of the
> assassination, was a close friend of William F. Buckley, Jr., a CIA
> officer and a Knight of Malta who had been trained at a Jesuit private
> school. He was also a close friend of Henry Luce, who is both a Knight
> of Malta himself and married to Clare Booth Luce, a Dame of Malta.
> Isn't it interesting that Hunt has two Knights of Malta among his
> close friends? Well, get this -- Hunt sometimes used the alias
> "Knight".
>
> *George H.W Bush was a CIA supervisor of the Anti-Castro Cubans and
> was photographed in Dallas on the day of the assassination. Bush was a
> close associate of George DeMohrenschildt, Oswald's "best friend" in
> Dallas. Bush was a Knight of Malta.
excellent stuff you post, a few comments
"time" was conceived in the skull and bones tomb, bonesmen you mention above
are:
henry luce
william f. buckley, jr.
george h.w. bush
the tsbd photo supposedly shows ghw bush, if that is the "photographed in
Dallas on the day of the assassination" item you refer to, yet that would
give him how many minutes to drive to tyler texas and make the document
memorializing his land line phone call to fbi office houston at 1:45 pm? 93
miles from dallas to tyler at how many miles per hour to get to tyler in x
minutes from tsbd "photo"? then again, seems someone was pulled over by
texas dps for speeding somewhere between dallas and tyler at that time,
maybe it was do-able and done
I've not seen any good analytical work on the ghwb? tsbd "photo" and have
not looked at it myself in detail, though I do see the possibility the
person some believe is ghwb is someone else
http://web.newsguy.com/mcclung/sandyman.html
and roger craig mentioned another possibility for the tsbd "photo", the
sandy haired man named Edgar Eugene Bradley
Ben Holmes
The real question on everyone's mind is will "Vatican Did It" win the match
against "Skull & Bones Did It".
Or will the kooks join together and declare that Catholic "Skull & Bones"
members were the guilty party?
LT
> In article <i4cnum01...@news1.newsguy.com>, Sam McClung says...
>
>
>
>
>
> >"LT" <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote in part:
What you don't understand, Ben, is the power of America's secret
establishment. You don't understand that the Order of Skull & Bones is
a chapter of the Bavarian Illuminati, which was created as a "cover
organization" for the Jesuits (Vatican's Secret Police, Controls the
Vatican & Pope). The same Jesuits who were the "prime mover" in
Kennedy's CIA, "secret agent" in Kennedy's FBI, and "a force" in
Kennedy's Pentagon. The same Jesuits whose novice priest, Eugene
Murret, was a cousin of Lee H. Oswald. The same Jesuits who Oswald
addressed (at the Jesuit House of Studies, no less) in the summer of
1963. The same Jesuits that trained David Ferrie at an elite private
school for seven years. The same Jesuits whose priest, Francis Rowley,
was the brother of JFK's Secret Service chief. The same Jesuits who
controlled the university that Kennedy's CIA head (Knight of Malta
John McCone) was an administrator at. The same Jesuits who trained
William F. Buckley, Jr., a close friend of E. Howard Hunt and one of
the men who helped frame Oswald in the mainstream media. The same
Jesuits who run Georgetown University, which both Lyndon Johnson and
his daughter attended. The same Jesuits whose graduates filled the
offices of the FBI, as Hoover loved them so. The same Jesuits whose
priest, Avery Dulles, was the nephew of Allen Dulles.
And Skull & Bones is very close to the Jesuits -- remembering that
they're an offshoot of a Jesuit front operation, consider that during
their crucial rituals, figures dress up who represent the Pope and the
Jesuit General, and initiates must honor them.
JESUIT/VATICAN FRONT GROUPS:
Skull & Bones
Freemasonry
Council on Foreign Relations
Bilderberg Group
Trilateral Commission
Pilgrim Society
Bohemian Club
Permindex/Centro Mondiale Commerciale
Committee of 300
Order of the Garter
Order of the Bath
Carlyle Group
Aspen Institute
Society of the Elect
Rhodes Trust/Scholars
Who headed the CIA at the time of the assassination? A Knight of
Malta.
Who headed the FBI at the time of the assassination? A Knight of
Malta.
Who headed CIA counter-intelligence at the time of the assassination?
A Knight of Malta.
Who headed FBI counter-intelligence at the time of the assassination?
A Jesuit honoree.
Who headed Military-Intelligence at the time of the assassination? A
Jesuit-trained devout Roman Catholic.
Who helped "handle" Oswald in New Orleans? A Knight of Malta and a
Jesuit-trained defrocked Catholic priest.
What was Oswald's cousin? A Roman Catholic Jesuit novice.
Where did Oswald speak in the summer before the assassination? A
Jesuit House of Studies.
Who supervised the Anti-Castro Cubans operation and was in Dallas the
day of the assassination? A Knight of Malta.
Who covered up the assassination at the HSCA? A professor at the Roman
Catholic University of Notre Dame.
Who framed Oswald in the press? A Jesuit-trained Knight of Malta.
Who blocked extradition of Eugene Bradley? A Knight of Malta.
Who controlled the Warren Commission? A Knight of Malta and the uncle
of a Jesuit.
Who fictionalized the wound drawings on the Warren Commission? A
Knight of Malta.
Who was the CIA assassin in Dallas that day? A friend of two Knights
of Malta and a user of the alias "Knight".
Who was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs that Kennedy fired? A Jesuit
honoree.
Who was the man who provided the grounds for the Bay of Pigs training?
Honduran head of the Knights of Malta.
Where were Permindex/CMC based and what was CMC openly dedicated to?
Rome.
Who was founder/president/major-stockholer in Permindex/CMC? A Knight
of Malta.
Who was the man who Frank Sturgis fingered as the shooter of JD
Tippet? A Jesuit graduate/fan.
Who was the head of the Nazi remnants who many linked to the plot? A
Knight of Malta.
Who sent Carl Renas to take the limo to a dealership in Cincinatti
that removed evidence? A Jesuit-tied Knight of Malta.
What organization dominated the Dallas government/police? John Birch
Society, a Jesuit front.
Who was Clay Shaw's direct assistant at the International Trade Mart?
A graduate of Jesuit Loyola University.
Who was the judge presiding over the Shaw trial, who refused to admit
Shaw's alias? A Papal Knight.
Who was Shaw's lawyer Panzeca? An Italian Roman Catholic.
What was the "prime mover" in Kennedy's CIA? The Jesuits.
What was "a secret agent" in Kennedy's FBI? The Jesuits.
What was "a force" in Kennedy's Pentagon? The Jesuits.
What was the key force behind the Vietnam War? The Vatican.
What was the family that created/controlled the Federal Reserve Bank?
Guardians of the Papal Treasure.
ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME.
George de Mohrenschildt was a spy for Reinhard Gehlen, a Knight of
Malta. He had close ties to George H.W Bush (He knew him since 1945),
Knight of Malta. He worked for a company controlled by the father of
William Buckley, Knight of Malta.
Jack Ruby was a thug for the Vatican's mafia and an agent of the SMOM/
Catholic/Jesuit-controlled FBI. He was seen with Knight of Malta Clay
Shaw a number of times (once in Shaw's apartment).
Ruth Paine was a very close friend of Mary Bancroft, who was the lover
of Knight-of-Malta/Uncle-of-Jesuit Dulles.
Guy Banister was the former chief of the FBI under Knights of Malta
Hoover and DeLoach, and he worked closely with the many Irish Roman
Catholic FBI personnel that Hoover recruited. His detective's office
was a CIA asset, and the CIA was headed by John McCone, Knight of
Malta and Jesuit administrator. His detective's office was running
counter-intelligence operations linked to the CIA, and the head of CIA
counter-intelligence was James Angleton, Knight of Malta. Banister was
a Freemason.
ON AND ON. ALL ROADS LEAD WHERE? TO ROME!
curtjester1
> On Aug 17, 12:47 am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>
>
a Jesuit in the group....the infamous John McAdameia from the Jesuit,
Marquette University, who is on the payroll to DisInfo the American
Public by teaching the untruths of the JFK Assassiination.
http://www.marquette.edu/jesres/
Good post, BTW.
CJ
> ON AND ON. ALL ROADS LEAD WHERE? TO ROME!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ben Holmes
LT says...
>
>On Aug 17, 12:47=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <i4cnum01...@news1.newsguy.com>, Sam McClung says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"LT" <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote in part:
>>
>> >> *The Zapruder film was bought by Time/Life and hidden for 11 years.
>> >> Who headed Time/Life? Henry Luce. He and his wife, Clare Booth, were
>> >> both members of the Knights of Malta.
>>
>> >> *E. Howard Hunt, the CIA assassin who was in Dallas the day of the
>> >> assassination, was a close friend of William F. Buckley, Jr., a CIA
>> >> officer and a Knight of Malta who had been trained at a Jesuit private
>> >> school. He was also a close friend of Henry Luce, who is both a Knight
>> >> of Malta himself and married to Clare Booth Luce, a Dame of Malta.
>> >> Isn't it interesting that Hunt has two Knights of Malta among his
>> >> close friends? Well, get this -- Hunt sometimes used the alias
>> >> "Knight".
>>
>> >> *George H.W Bush was a CIA supervisor of the Anti-Castro Cubans and
>> >> was photographed in Dallas on the day of the assassination. Bush was a
>> >> close associate of George DeMohrenschildt, Oswald's "best friend" in
>> >> Dallas. Bush was a Knight of Malta.
>>
>> >excellent stuff you post, a few comments
>>
>bove
>> >are:
>> > =A0henry luce
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0william f. buckley, jr.
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 geo=
>rge h.w. bush
>>
>> > the tsbd photo supposedly shows ghw bush, if that is the "photographed =
>in
>> >Dallas on the day of the assassination" item you refer to, yet that woul=
>d
>> >give him how many minutes to drive to tyler texas and make the document
> 93
>> >miles from dallas to tyler at how many miles per hour to get to tyler in=
> x
>> >minutes from tsbd "photo"? then again, seems someone was pulled over by
>> >texas dps for speeding somewhere between dallas and tyler at that time,
>> >maybe it was do-able and done
>>
>e
>> >not looked at it myself in detail, though I do see the possibility the
>> >person some believe is ghwb is someone else
>> >http://web.newsguy.com/mcclung/sandyman.html
>> >and roger craig mentioned another possibility for the tsbd "photo", the
>> >sandy haired man named Edgar Eugene Bradley
>>
>> The real question on everyone's mind is will "Vatican Did It" win the match
>> against "Skull & Bones Did It".
>>
>> Or will the kooks join together and declare that Catholic "Skull & Bones"
>> members were the guilty party?
>
>establishment.
And what you don't understand is that I'm not a kook. I don't need to blame
someone for my problems...
They also lead to the Boy Scouts. You never seem to mention them, however.
Perhaps they are so powerful that they can prevent people from mentioning them.
>George de Mohrenschildt was a spy for Reinhard Gehlen, a Knight of
>Malta. He had close ties to George H.W Bush (He knew him since 1945),
>Knight of Malta. He worked for a company controlled by the father of
>William Buckley, Knight of Malta.
>
>Jack Ruby was a thug for the Vatican's mafia and an agent of the SMOM/
>Catholic/Jesuit-controlled FBI. He was seen with Knight of Malta Clay
>Shaw a number of times (once in Shaw's apartment).
>
>Ruth Paine was a very close friend of Mary Bancroft, who was the lover
>of Knight-of-Malta/Uncle-of-Jesuit Dulles.
>
>Guy Banister was the former chief of the FBI under Knights of Malta
>Hoover and DeLoach, and he worked closely with the many Irish Roman
>Catholic FBI personnel that Hoover recruited. His detective's office
>was a CIA asset, and the CIA was headed by John McCone, Knight of
>Malta and Jesuit administrator. His detective's office was running
>counter-intelligence operations linked to the CIA, and the head of CIA
>counter-intelligence was James Angleton, Knight of Malta. Banister was
>a Freemason.
>
>ON AND ON. ALL ROADS LEAD WHERE? TO ROME!
The exact same thing can be done for the Boy Scouts.
robcap...@netscape.com
> On Aug 20, 7:15 am, LT <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Aug 17, 12:47 am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>
> 'Ben' dun't wanna hear nunna dat. He's already being accused of being
> a Jesuit in the group....the infamous John McAdameia from the Jesuit,
> Marquette University, who is on the payroll to DisInfo the American
> Public by teaching the untruths of the JFK Assassiination.
>
> http://www.marquette.edu/jesres/
>
> Good post, BTW.
>
> CJ
"Ben" is always talking about evidence but here we see him totally
denying it! I wonder who "Ben" thinks did the crime?
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 20, 8:06=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 7:15=A0am, LT <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Aug 17, 12:47=
>=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>>
>> 'Ben' dun't wanna hear nunna dat. =A0He's already being accused of being
>> a Jesuit in the group....the infamous John McAdameia from the Jesuit,
>> Marquette University, who is on the payroll to DisInfo the American
>> Public by teaching the untruths of the JFK Assassiination.
>>
>> http://www.marquette.edu/jesres/
>>
>> Good post, BTW.
>>
>> CJ
>
>"Ben" is always talking about evidence but here we see him totally
>denying it!
Since I wrote *NONE* of the above post, you're lying again.
>I wonder who "Ben" thinks did the crime?
Even a moron can read my years of posts and come up with an answer.
curtjester1
> In article <cf407876-744c-4fd3-81f3-979384a4a...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Who would care, when one thinks a 40" rifle *DID* the crime?
CJ
robcap...@netscape.com
He says LT is a "kook" and dismissed all of this research as nonsense,
but now he denies he ever did deny this evidence!
Does this man ever tell the truth?
On Aug 20, 4:59 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <cf407876-744c-4fd3-81f3-979384a4a...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
robcap...@netscape.com
> On Aug 20, 4:59 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <cf407876-744c-4fd3-81f3-979384a4a...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
> > >On Aug 20, 8:06=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Aug 20, 7:15=A0am, LT <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Aug 17, 12:47=
> > >=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>
> > >> 'Ben' dun't wanna hear nunna dat. =A0He's already being accused of being
> > >> a Jesuit in the group....the infamous John McAdameia from the Jesuit,
> > >> Marquette University, who is on the payroll to DisInfo the American
> > >> Public by teaching the untruths of the JFK Assassiination.
>
> > >>http://www.marquette.edu/jesres/
>
> > >> Good post, BTW.
>
> > >> CJ
>
> > >"Ben" is always talking about evidence but here we see him totally
> > >denying it!
>
> > Since I wrote *NONE* of the above post, you're lying again.
>
> > >I wonder who "Ben" thinks did the crime?
>
> > Even a moron can read my years of posts and come up with an answer.
>
> Who would care, when one thinks a 40" rifle *DID* the crime?
So true CJ, and I wonder where LHO got the scope for the 40" too
supposedly? I guess the same place he got the ammo and clip! LOL!
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>Top Post:
>
>He says LT is a "kook" and dismissed all of this research as nonsense,
>but now he denies he ever did deny this evidence!
Strangely, you refuse to quote me saying what you're now saying.
Nor respond to me below...
>Does this man ever tell the truth?
>
>On Aug 20, 4:59 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>>In article <cf407876-744c-4fd3-81f3-979384a4a...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 20, 8:06=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Aug 20, 7:15=A0am, LT <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Aug 17, 12:47=
>> >=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> 'Ben' dun't wanna hear nunna dat. =A0He's already being accused of being
>> >> a Jesuit in the group....the infamous John McAdameia from the Jesuit,
>> >> Marquette University, who is on the payroll to DisInfo the American
>> >> Public by teaching the untruths of the JFK Assassiination.
>>
>> >>http://www.marquette.edu/jesres/
>>
>> >> Good post, BTW.
>>
>> >> CJ
>>
>> >"Ben" is always talking about evidence but here we see him totally
>> >denying it!
>>
>> Since I wrote *NONE* of the above post, you're lying again.
I wonder why the kook refused to answer this?
Perhaps because he actually took the time to realize that I'm merely telling the
simple truth again?
Where's the retraction for this lie?
>> >I wonder who "Ben" thinks did the crime?
>>
>> Even a moron can read my years of posts and come up with an answer.
Not, evidently however... the kook.
curtjester1
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, who knows Rob, with all this rifle/scope manifestations?
Besides the Irving Sports Shop spectacle of not being so hidden, here
is some of the rifle/scope going's on at the Sports Drome Shooting
Range:
Apparently Slack is confusing dates again, because Lucille Slack told
A. J. Weberman that her brother and his son had visited from November
9 to the 11th, and had accompanied Slack and herself to the rifle
range on November 9 and 10. Slack also remembered that Oswald wasn't
alone.
Mr. SLACK. . . . [He wrapped up his rifle -- which was a Mannlicher-
Carcano similar but not the same as the so-called "Oswald" rifle] and
handed it over the fence, but they had two other guns that type. They
had no scopes on them.
Mr. LIEBELER. Was there somebody else?
Mr. SLACK. That Sunday [November 10] there sure was . . . Lucille
remembers the boy handing the guns over the fence, and they were
throwing the guns in the back of an old-model car and taking off like
they did. . . . [A] gun, a good gun, you are not supposed -- they just
threw those old guns in that car . . . one was wrapped up in a
blanket, a dirty-looking old gray blanket that had a red trim . . .
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember what kind of car these fellows drove?
Mr. SLACK. No . . . A four-door sedan, and it was a dark color, and he
left there like a crazy bunch of hoodlums. And Lucille would remember
that because she made a remark to me. You know how boys take off and
make dust fly.
When shown a photograph of Carousel Club employee Larry Crafard, Slack
said it wasn't the guy he saw. Liebeler then showed him a picture of
Oswald, and Slack said that it showed the man from the rifle range,
except the man he saw had slightly longer hair. He may be describing
Southern-born Lee Oswald.
Lucille Slack told the FBI that she herself did not see Lee Harvey
Oswald at the rifle range, although she did remember someone shooting
at her husband's target on the 17th of November. She added that she
accompanied her husband back to rifle range following the
assassination to talk to the owners, Mr. and Mrs. Floyd Davis, and
that the Davises didn't want to talk about Oswald because they were
afraid it would hurt their business. She also remembered that a
dentist and his son had been at the rifle range, and had seen Oswald
one day when the Slacks had been there.(5)
Malcolm Price was also at the rifle range on November 17th.
Mr. PRICE. . . . I do understand there was a hassle between him and
Mr. [Garland] Slack over shooting the wrong target or something like
that. I was over at the opposite end shooting at a target for the
turkey shoot, and I didn't pay attention to that. That was their
business. . . . he did have the same gun. And I asked him if it was
still doing the job, if it was still set, and he said it was shooting
just fine, and Mr. Slack was there at the time . . . they were sitting
right next to one another -- Mr. Slack was in Booth 9 and Oswald was
in Booth 8, and [Oswald] commented on his telescope. . . . he asked me
to look through it, and he said, "It's one of the clearest telescopes
that I have ever seen -- one of the brightest." He said, "It's a
Japanese scope, and I gave $18 for it. . . . he remarked that it was a
four-power telescope, and he said it was mounted on Redfield
mounts . . . we compared it with two scopes that Mr. Slack had on his
gun[s], and a fellow that was shooting on the right side in Booth 7 --
I don't know who that was [the Commission never identified this
witness], but we compared it with three different American-made scopes
and his [Oswald's] telescope was brighter and clearer by far. . . . He
said he got it from a gunsmith in Cedar Hill for a debt, the gun, and
that he bought the scope and the gunsmith mounted it for him.
Mr. LIEBELER. . . . And that was in Cedar Hill?
Mr. PRICE. It might be, but I don't know of any gunsmith in Cedar
Hill. . . .(6)
There was no gunsmith in Cedar Hill,(7)) although Cedar Hill is where
Mrs. Lovell Penn said she saw Oswald firing on her property with two
other men.
Mr. PRICE. I said, "I didn't know there was a gunsmith in Cedar Hill."
He said, "Yes, one over there, and he owed me some money, and he gave
me his gun to settle the debt," and he said, "I bought the scope, and
he mounted it and boresighted it."(8)
Price described the rifle, a Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5 caliber, in
detail, then was shown photographs of the alleged assassination rifle;
he observed it was similar to the gun he saw, but not exactly the
same.
Sports Drome witness Malcolm Price saw Oswald with an old model
Chevrolet; Mrs. Lovell Penn had seen Oswald and two other men with a
1957 black and white Chevrolet with Texas plates.
And all from this guy around here they call 'Reitzes'...:-)
CJ
curtjester1
> In article <698dcd79-48e7-4c49-b578-d0a700656...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Now we have had Richard Milhouse Nixon, who by self-admission stated,
that "he was not a crook."
Now we have a Ben Holmes who claims "he is not a kook."
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Date: 20 Aug 2010 06:34:58 -0700
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LT says...
>What you don't understand, Ben, is the power of America's secret
>establishment.
And what you don't understand is that I'm not a kook. I don't need to
blame
someone for my problems...
BUT how KOOKY it is to keep discussing velocities, and 40" rifles in
reference to death certificates, when one can't support if one was
ordered or if one was used.
Can you explain this, Ben "I am not a Kook" Holmes?
CJ
robcap...@netscape.com
> In article <698dcd79-48e7-4c49-b578-d0a700656...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>
>
> >Top Post:
>
> >He says LT is a "kook" and dismissed all of this research as nonsense,
> >but now he denies he ever did deny this evidence!
>
> Strangely, you refuse to quote me saying what you're now saying.
Let's see, the FIRST reply to LT said this!
"Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring." (John McAdams/Ben
Holmes)
Doesn't sound like he is DENYING all the evidence to you folks? We
all know what a "red herring" is, don't we?
Then he said this in his second post:
"Just like the kook, Rob "Child Molester" Caprio - you're too stupid
to defend
your silly theories on the basis of evidence, so you are forced to
attack the
person pointing out your stupidity." (John McAdams/Ben Holmes)
LOL!! LT put up a ton of researched evidence showing folks close to or
involved in the JFK murder had ties to secret societies and many tie
into the Vatican's umbrella orgs.
What did John/Ben give us? NOTHING as usual, but he has the gall to
say someone is attacking him!
The third reply had this in it!
"All these red herrings being dragged across the case simply bypass
the obvious
suspects." (John McAdams/Ben Holmes)
What John/Ben isn't recognizing, on purpose, is that he can't name one
suspect in the conspiracy that did NOT have ties to one of these
secret socities! JFK was aware of them and that is why he said in his
first speech to the press (4/61) that a democracy should NOT have
hidden and secret groups in it! The Kennedys are a powerful family
that goes back to the 1600's so he would know about this stuff.
The next reply said this!
"Okay moron... explain why the Catholic Church has any vested interest
in murder,
let alone the murder of the first CATHOLIC President of the U.S.
You make outrageously stupid assertions about religion, and you think
that
people won't dismiss you for the kook that you are... you're
wrong." (John McAdams/Ben Holmes)
I guess this guy was clueless to what many people called the Vietnam
war, huh? It was called "Spelly's war" by many in power and they were
referring to Cardinal Spellman of NYC.
One would have to be either a complete fool or a complete liar to
disclaim the FACT the Roman Church (and other religious orgs too) has
killed many in the name of religion!
He then said this in the next reply!
"If I had any interest whatsoever in such nonsense, I could compile an
equally
'devastating' list of Boy Scouts involved.
Another kook has already done so with the "Skull & Bones", I doubt if
the Boy
Scouts would pose any problem. (other than the time wasted in
researching it)" (John McAdams/Ben Holmes)
He calls me the "child molester" when this GUY IS OBSESSED WITH THE
BOY SCOUTS! Many of his analogies involve the "boy scouts"! What a
sicko!
Do deny the existence of the "Skull & Bones" society is to be an
outright liar when there is much research about it. In fact, his
beloved Bushes have NEVER denied being members of it!
By the way, the "skull & bones" comes from the Knights Templar as that
was their INSIGNIA. These folks spread out and became other things
after the Roman Church had it INQUEST (oh, I wonder if John/Ben will
defend this and act like it never happened?) and the Friday the 13th
bloodbath!
The Templars INVENTED banking and how it is run today! Is it a
coincidence that orgs like the pirates and Waffen SS adopt their
insignia?
The lying deniar then said this:
"Kooks of a feather flock together..." (John McAdams/Ben Holmes)
See, all we get is personal attacks, NOT evidence. Any person in power
he names for participation in this conspiracy can be tied to one of
the groups (and more in some cases).
But he sees that as NOT being odd!
Carry on Super LNer!
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 21, 7:59=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <698dcd79-48e7-4c49-b578-d0a700656...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >Top Post:
>>
>> >He says LT is a "kook" and dismissed all of this research as nonsense,
>> >but now he denies he ever did deny this evidence!
>>
>> Strangely, you refuse to quote me saying what you're now saying.
>
>Let's see, the FIRST reply to LT said this!
>
>"Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring." (John McAdams/Ben
>Holmes)
>
>Doesn't sound like he is DENYING all the evidence to you folks?
Excuse me stupid, but you asserted that I "dismissed all this research as
nonsense".
And you can't quote any such thing.
You've been caught in another lie, haven't you?
Why you insist on molesting your neighborhood children when you *KNOW* you're
going to be caught and pointed out is a complete mystery, and can only be
explained by your incredible stupidity.
>We all know what a "red herring" is, don't we?
Yep... we do. To assert that the Vatican was the guilty party in JFK's
assassination... or the Jews... or the Mafia... or the Skull & Bones... or any
of the other red herrings dragged across this case is to, if not be in the pay
of the CIA, at least be doing what they want done.
>Then he said this in his second post:
>
>"Just like the kook, Rob "Child Molester" Caprio - you're too stupid
>to defend your silly theories on the basis of evidence, so you are forced
>to attack the person pointing out your stupidity." (Ben Holmes)
Yep... it's sheer stupidity to assert that the Vatican was behind the murder of
JFK. Want to take a poll on that topic?
>LOL!! LT put up a ton of researched evidence showing folks close to or
>involved in the JFK murder had ties to secret societies and many tie
>into the Vatican's umbrella orgs.
And only a nut like you fell for my post. "LT" is simply another persona of
mine, one developed to sucker in the real kooks.
At first, I thought I'd specify that it was done at the Pope's direct orders,
but I figured that even *YOU* wouldn't be stupid enough to believe it... maybe I
shouldn't have been so cautious...
>What did Ben give us? NOTHING as usual, but he has the gall to
>say someone is attacking him!
Oh, I'd say lying about what I said is an attack.
You certainly believe that.
>The third reply had this in it!
>
>"All these red herrings being dragged across the case simply bypass
>the obvious suspects." (Ben Holmes)
Yep... simply a fact.
Good of you to quote facts in this case...
>What Ben isn't recognizing, on purpose, is that he can't name one
>suspect in the conspiracy that did NOT have ties to one of these
>secret socities!
I defy you to name *ONE* suspect that did not have ties with the Boy Scouts.
>JFK was aware of them and that is why he said in his
>first speech to the press (4/61) that a democracy should NOT have
>hidden and secret groups in it! The Kennedys are a powerful family
>that goes back to the 1600's so he would know about this stuff.
Of course, that's a lie. Let's quote EXACTLY what President Kennedy said in that
speech:
"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as
a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret
oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of
excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the
dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in
opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions.
Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our
traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an
announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to
expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.
That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no
official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or
military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the
news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press
and the public the facts they deserve to know."
Of course, it's even more interesting to note the two sentences that immediately
preceeded this paragraph:
"This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct
concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem
almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we
are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater
public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy."
So once again, you've simply lied to try to forward your silly and stupid
worldview.
>The next reply said this!
>
>"Okay moron... explain why the Catholic Church has any vested interest
>in murder, let alone the murder of the first CATHOLIC President of the U.S.
>
>You make outrageously stupid assertions about religion, and you think
>that people won't dismiss you for the kook that you are... you're
>wrong." (Ben Holmes)
And strangely enough, no response has been made that explains this.
>I guess this guy was clueless to what many people called the Vietnam
>war, huh? It was called "Spelly's war" by many in power and they were
>referring to Cardinal Spellman of NYC.
Oh my! You've solved the case!
>One would have to be either a complete fool or a complete liar to
>disclaim the FACT the Roman Church (and other religious orgs too) has
>killed many in the name of religion!
One would have to be either a complete fool or a complete liar to disclaim the
FACT that I've never made any such claim.
(or both...)
>He then said this in the next reply!
>
>"If I had any interest whatsoever in such nonsense, I could compile an
>equally 'devastating' list of Boy Scouts involved.
>
>Another kook has already done so with the "Skull & Bones", I doubt if
>the Boy Scouts would pose any problem. (other than the time wasted in
>researching it)" (Ben Holmes)
Yep... absolutely true, and absolutely devastating to your silly thesis.
>He calls me the "child molester" when this GUY IS OBSESSED WITH THE
>BOY SCOUTS! Many of his analogies involve the "boy scouts"! What a
>sicko!
"Boy Scouts" is properly capitalized. Do try to pay attention to your spelling.
>Do deny the existence of the "Skull & Bones" society is to be an
>outright liar when there is much research about it. In fact, his
>beloved Bushes have NEVER denied being members of it!
To imply that I've ever denied the existence of the "Skull & Bones" makes you an
outright liar, doesn't it?
It's interesting to note that the kook properly capitalized "Skull & Bones", but
refused to do so in the case of the "Boy Scouts".
>By the way, the "skull & bones" comes from the Knights Templar as that
>was their INSIGNIA. These folks spread out and became other things
>after the Roman Church had it INQUEST (oh, I wonder if Ben will
>defend this and act like it never happened?) and the Friday the 13th
>bloodbath!
>
>The Templars INVENTED banking and how it is run today! Is it a
>coincidence that orgs like the pirates and Waffen SS adopt their
>insignia?
All very fascinating and worthless nonsense...
>The lying deniar then said this:
>
>"Kooks of a feather flock together..." (Ben Holmes)
And yet, that's simply the truth. Hurts, doesn't it?
>See, all we get is personal attacks, NOT evidence.
Indeed, there's a rather complete *lack* of evidence for the theory that the
Vatican ordered the murder of an American President.
Or even a reasonable *theory* to explain why the Vatican would do this.
>Any person in power he names for participation in this conspiracy
>can be tied to one of the groups (and more in some cases).
And, of course, the Boy Scouts. I wonder why you keep covering up that fact?
>But he sees that as NOT being odd!
I'm not a kook.
>Carry on Super LNer!
A rather ridiculous statement that you cannot support.
robcap...@netscape.com
> In article <3e7d8d91-9650-4e71-83c6-8912e7b53...@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 21, 7:59=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> >> In article <698dcd79-48e7-4c49-b578-d0a700656...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups=
> >.com>,
> >> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
> >> >Top Post:
>
> >> >He says LT is a "kook" and dismissed all of this research as nonsense,
> >> >but now he denies he ever did deny this evidence!
>
> >> Strangely, you refuse to quote me saying what you're now saying.
>
> >Let's see, the FIRST reply to LT said this!
>
> >"Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring." (John McAdams/Ben
> >Holmes)
>
> >Doesn't sound like he is DENYING all the evidence to you folks?
>
> Excuse me stupid, but you asserted that I "dismissed all this research as
> nonsense".
>
> And you can't quote any such thing.
Doesn't a RED HERRING mean the same thing? Doesn't it mean a FALSE
TRIAL? IF you thought this research was not nonsense and legit you
would not call it this (actually if he wasn't paid to lie he wouldn't
call it this). Of course "Ben" will now play the word game instead of
being honest and admitting he dismissed the evidence while putting NO
reasons for doing so.
> You've been caught in another lie, haven't you?
We all know what a 'red herring' is John. Nice try, but once again we
see which side you are on.
> >We all know what a "red herring" is, don't we?
>
> Yep... we do. To assert that the Vatican was the guilty party in JFK's
> assassination... or the Jews... or the Mafia... or the Skull & Bones... or any
> of the other red herrings dragged across this case is to, if not be in the pay
> of the CIA, at least be doing what they want done.
So "Ben" gets to decide what are red herrings, huh? What makes you
the SOLE AUTHORITY to do so John?
> >Then he said this in his second post:
>
> >"Just like the kook, Rob "Child Molester" Caprio - you're too stupid
> >to defend your silly theories on the basis of evidence, so you are forced
> >to attack the person pointing out your stupidity." (Ben Holmes)
>
> Yep... it's sheer stupidity to assert that the Vatican was behind the murder of
> JFK. Want to take a poll on that topic?
Why is it? Have you never read about them? Give us the reasons why it
is "sheer stupidity" to think so! But he won't.
He is just here to throw sick innuendos and insults.
> >LOL!! LT put up a ton of researched evidence showing folks close to or
> >involved in the JFK murder had ties to secret societies and many tie
> >into the Vatican's umbrella orgs.
>
> And only a nut like you fell for my post. "LT" is simply another persona of
> mine, one developed to sucker in the real kooks.
Why would you do that John? The reason the "Ben" and "Walt"
characters work is because they lie about the evidence in the case for
the benefit of the WC, and if the reader is not familiar with it they
are suckered.
This stuff is NOT anything like that, so I doubt you would use it IF
you were "LT".
Believe me, I did NOT fall for anything as I don't believe things
without researching them.
> At first, I thought I'd specify that it was done at the Pope's direct orders,
> but I figured that even *YOU* wouldn't be stupid enough to believe it... maybe I
> shouldn't have been so cautious...
Why are you so dead set against this idea "Ben"?
Why not name the people you think were involved and let's look at
their ties, okay?
Cue the running as he will never mention them now in all likelihood.
> >What did Ben give us? NOTHING as usual, but he has the gall to
> >say someone is attacking him!
>
> Oh, I'd say lying about what I said is an attack.
Come on liar, what I said and what you said are the same thing!
> >The third reply had this in it!
>
> >"All these red herrings being dragged across the case simply bypass
> >the obvious suspects." (Ben Holmes)
>
> Yep... simply a fact.
NO it isn't, and NO one is asking YOU to determine what is a red
herring and what is not.
> >What Ben isn't recognizing, on purpose, is that he can't name one
> >suspect in the conspiracy that did NOT have ties to one of these
> >secret socities!
>
> I defy you to name *ONE* suspect that did not have ties with the Boy Scouts.
See? He has to play games instead of simply citing someone who didn't
have ties. Typical LNer games.
> >JFK was aware of them and that is why he said in his
> >first speech to the press (4/61) that a democracy should NOT have
> >hidden and secret groups in it! The Kennedys are a powerful family
> >that goes back to the 1600's so he would know about this stuff.
>
> Of course, that's a lie. Let's quote EXACTLY what President Kennedy said in that
> speech:
>
> "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as
> a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret
> oaths and to secret proceedings.
How is this different liar? His belief was WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THEM AS
THEY ARE OPPOSED by the people!
The literal game word for word junk is old. Most of us type on here
from memory, and the idea it has to be EXACT is ludicrous. As long as
we are not out and out distorting what they said (like you do) that is
okay.
> We decided long ago that the dangers of
> excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the
> dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in
> opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions.
> Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our
> traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an
> announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to
> expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.
> That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no
> official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or
> military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the
> news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press
> and the public the facts they deserve to know."
>
> Of course, it's even more interesting to note the two sentences that immediately
> preceeded this paragraph:
>
> "This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct
> concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem
> almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we
> are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater
> public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy."
>
> So once again, you've simply lied to try to forward your silly and stupid
> worldview.
OFFICIAL secrecy is not the same as SECRET SOCIETIES you lying idiot!
Why do you lie about everything?
Then he wonders why no one wants to talk to this sicko!
> >The next reply said this!
>
> >"Okay moron... explain why the Catholic Church has any vested interest
> >in murder, let alone the murder of the first CATHOLIC President of the U.S.
>
> >You make outrageously stupid assertions about religion, and you think
> >that people won't dismiss you for the kook that you are... you're
> >wrong." (Ben Holmes)
>
> And strangely enough, no response has been made that explains this.
It has been explained, you just won't accept it.
> >I guess this guy was clueless to what many people called the Vietnam
> >war, huh? It was called "Spelly's war" by many in power and they were
> >referring to Cardinal Spellman of NYC.
>
> Oh my! You've solved the case!
Never claimed to solve the case moron, but if we throw things out or
label them "red herrings" without even checking them out we are only
serving the people who don't want the truth to be known.
YOU claim to want the truth, but we see you really don't.
> >One would have to be either a complete fool or a complete liar to
> >disclaim the FACT the Roman Church (and other religious orgs too) has
> >killed many in the name of religion!
>
> One would have to be either a complete fool or a complete liar to disclaim the
> FACT that I've never made any such claim.
YOU are acting like this is OUT of the realm of possibility while
putting UP NO reasons why it is. That is Troll tactics 101.
> >He then said this in the next reply!
>
> >"If I had any interest whatsoever in such nonsense, I could compile an
> >equally 'devastating' list of Boy Scouts involved.
>
> >Another kook has already done so with the "Skull & Bones", I doubt if
> >the Boy Scouts would pose any problem. (other than the time wasted in
> >researching it)" (Ben Holmes)
>
> Yep... absolutely true, and absolutely devastating to your silly thesis.
LOL!!
This moron can't explain why this is wrong, he just claims it is and
that becomes the truth for all of us supposedly.
> >He calls me the "child molester" when this GUY IS OBSESSED WITH THE
> >BOY SCOUTS! Many of his analogies involve the "boy scouts"! What a
> >sicko!
>
> "Boy Scouts" is properly capitalized. Do try to pay attention to your spelling.
"Ben" pays attention to more than capitalization when it comes to "Boy
Scouts" I would guess!
> >Do deny the existence of the "Skull & Bones" society is to be an
> >outright liar when there is much research about it. In fact, his
> >beloved Bushes have NEVER denied being members of it!
>
> To imply that I've ever denied the existence of the "Skull & Bones" makes you an
> outright liar, doesn't it?
More games liar. YOU call Sam a kook for mentioning them yet they
exist and they produce men who serve in high offices, yet you want to
act like they have NO influence.
> It's interesting to note that the kook properly capitalized "Skull & Bones", but
> refused to do so in the case of the "Boy Scouts".
John/'Ben gets mad if you mess with HIS BOY SCOUTS, huh?
> >By the way, the "skull & bones" comes from the Knights Templar as that
> >was their INSIGNIA. These folks spread out and became other things
> >after the Roman Church had it INQUEST (oh, I wonder if Ben will
> >defend this and act like it never happened?) and the Friday the 13th
> >bloodbath!
>
> >The Templars INVENTED banking and how it is run today! Is it a
> >coincidence that orgs like the pirates and Waffen SS adopt their
> >insignia?
>
> All very fascinating and worthless nonsense...
NOT really IF you had the brains to make connections.
> >The lying deniar then said this:
>
> >"Kooks of a feather flock together..." (Ben Holmes)
>
> And yet, that's simply the truth. Hurts, doesn't it?
NOT all since YOU have demonstrated you are the KOOK!
> >See, all we get is personal attacks, NOT evidence.
>
> Indeed, there's a rather complete *lack* of evidence for the theory that the
> Vatican ordered the murder of an American President.
I never claimed that so take it up with LT, or yourself if you are LT
too, as my point was YOU can't call this a red herring or dismiss it
out of hand IF you have NEVER researched it.
Can you show us you researched this and reached the conclusion they
had nothing to do with it?
> Or even a reasonable *theory* to explain why the Vatican would do this.
There are many, but since you are a man with limited mental capacity
you wouldn't get it.
> >Any person in power he names for participation in this conspiracy
> >can be tied to one of the groups (and more in some cases).
>
> And, of course, the Boy Scouts. I wonder why you keep covering up that fact?
Why do you deny this obvious fact "Ben?" Why are you afraid to
discuss this? I thought you claimed you were looking for the truth?
Truth should lead you where it is, not what you want it to be. But we
see YOU only want YOUR truth.
> >But he sees that as NOT being odd!
>
> I'm not a kook.
See? He associates looking for the truth with being a kook! He has
to be John or some other LNer.
> >Carry on Super LNer!
>
> A rather ridiculous statement that you cannot support.
I don't have to support it as YOUR own words do this as usual.
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 22, 12:47 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>>In article <3e7d8d91-9650-4e71-83c6-8912e7b53...@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>> >On Aug 21, 7:59=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <698dcd79-48e7-4c49-b578-d0a700656...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups=
>> >.com>,
>> >> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>> >> >Top Post:
>>
>> >> >He says LT is a "kook" and dismissed all of this research as nonsense,
>> >> >but now he denies he ever did deny this evidence!
>>
>> >> Strangely, you refuse to quote me saying what you're now saying.
>>
>> >Let's see, the FIRST reply to LT said this!
>>
>> >"Top Post - Another wonderfully silly red herring." (John McAdams/Ben
>> >Holmes)
>>
>> >Doesn't sound like he is DENYING all the evidence to you folks?
>>
>> Excuse me stupid, but you asserted that I "dismissed all this research as
>> nonsense".
>>
>> And you can't quote any such thing.
>
>Doesn't a RED HERRING mean the same thing?
No stupid, it does not.
You lied.
You stated that I "dismissed all of this research as nonsense, but now he denies
he ever did deny this evidence!" - yet you cannot produce any such statement by
me.
You're a liar, and now you refuse to retract your lie, as you've so often stated
that you would.
>Doesn't it mean a FALSE
>TRIAL? IF you thought this research was not nonsense and legit you
>would not call it this (actually if he wasn't paid to lie he wouldn't
>call it this). Of course "Ben" will now play the word game instead of
>being honest and admitting he dismissed the evidence while putting NO
>reasons for doing so.
You asserted that I stated something, are COMPLETELY UNABLE to quote me saying
so, and now are blaming me for your lies.
You've been caught molesting children again, haven't you?
>> You've been caught in another lie, haven't you?
>
>> >We all know what a "red herring" is, don't we?
>>
>> Yep... we do. To assert that the Vatican was the guilty party in JFK's
>> assassination... or the Jews... or the Mafia... or the Skull & Bones...
>> or any of the other red herrings dragged across this case is to, if not
>> be in the pay of the CIA, at least be doing what they want done.
>
>> >Then he said this in his second post:
>>
>> >"Just like the kook, Rob "Child Molester" Caprio - you're too stupid
>> >to defend your silly theories on the basis of evidence, so you are forced
>> >to attack the person pointing out your stupidity." (Ben Holmes)
>>
>> Yep... it's sheer stupidity to assert that the Vatican was behind the
>> murder of JFK. Want to take a poll on that topic?
>
>Why is it?
Tell us stupid, is water wet?
>Have you never read about them? Give us the reasons why it
>is "sheer stupidity" to think so! But he won't.
No stupid, I don't have to prove your silly assertions as the stupid ideas that
they are - *YOU* have to defend them as worthwhile or factual.
They're *YOUR* assertions.
>He is just here to throw sick innuendos and insults.
Actually, my sole purpose in life is to point out how stupid you are. You make
my job easy.
>> >LOL!! LT put up a ton of researched evidence showing folks close to or
>> >involved in the JFK murder had ties to secret societies and many tie
>> >into the Vatican's umbrella orgs.
>>
>> And only a nut like you fell for my post. "LT" is simply another persona of
>> mine, one developed to sucker in the real kooks.
>
>Why would you do that?
Because that's my job. My boss here at the CIA told me to make the one idiot
over on the forum look stupid... and told me I could use as many different names
as I wanted to...
>The reason the "Ben" and "Walt"
>characters work is because they lie about the evidence in the case for
>the benefit of the WC, and if the reader is not familiar with it they
>are suckered.
And yet, you *STILL* can't provide the quote of a SINGLE "lie", then provide the
citation to the EVIDENCE that shows it to be a "lie".
Why can't you do that, stupid?
It was incredibly easy for me to quote you lying about the Death Certificate -
then citing it.
Why can't you do the same?
>This stuff is NOT anything like that, so I doubt you would use it IF
>you were "LT".
I *AM* "LT". I not only suckered you well, I did the job so thoroughly that you
have a hard time believing that I suckered you!!
>Believe me, I did NOT fall for anything as I don't believe things
>without researching them.
And yet, you did.
>> At first, I thought I'd specify that it was done at the Pope's direct orders,
>> but I figured that even *YOU* wouldn't be stupid enough to believe it...
>> maybe I shouldn't have been so cautious...
>
>Why are you so dead set against this idea "Ben"?
Yep... I just can't go wrong overestimating your stupidity.
>Why not name the people you think were involved and let's look at
>their ties, okay?
>
>Cue the running as he will never mention them now in all likelihood.
The only person snipping, lying, and running away is you, molester.
>> >What did Ben give us? NOTHING as usual, but he has the gall to
>> >say someone is attacking him!
>>
>> Oh, I'd say lying about what I said is an attack.
>
>Come on liar, what I said and what you said are the same thing!
You just can't stop molesting small children, can you?
>> >The third reply had this in it!
>>
>> >"All these red herrings being dragged across the case simply bypass
>> >the obvious suspects." (Ben Holmes)
>>
>> Yep... simply a fact.
>
>NO it isn't,
And yet, the obvious suspects are never mentioned by those dragging red herrings
across the case.
For otherwise, they'd not be "red herrings".
Anyone who understand the English language knows that this is simply a given,
but you're too stupid to understand, so you disagree.
>> >What Ben isn't recognizing, on purpose, is that he can't name one
>> >suspect in the conspiracy that did NOT have ties to one of these
>> >secret socities!
>>
>> I defy you to name *ONE* suspect that did not have ties with the Boy Scouts.
>
>See? He has to play games instead of simply citing someone who didn't
>have ties. Typical LNer games.
See? The moron can't name a SINGLE suspect that doesn't have ties with the Boy
Scouts. So based on my same logic (under my "LT" nom de plume), the Boy Scouts
must have ordered JFK's murder.
>> >JFK was aware of them and that is why he said in his
>> >first speech to the press (4/61) that a democracy should NOT have
>> >hidden and secret groups in it! The Kennedys are a powerful family
>> >that goes back to the 1600's so he would know about this stuff.
>>
>> Of course, that's a lie. Let's quote EXACTLY what President Kennedy
>> said in that speech:
>>
>> "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and
>> we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret
>> societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings.
>
>How is this different liar? His belief was WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THEM AS
>THEY ARE OPPOSED by the people!
Sorry stupid, you lied. I'm not here to teach you the English language, only to
correct your lies.
>The literal game word for word junk is old. Most of us type on here
>from memory, and the idea it has to be EXACT is ludicrous. As long as
>we are not out and out distorting what they said (like you do) that is
>okay.
The concept that a group of people are opposed to "secret societies" is *NOT*
the same concept that a "democracy should NOT have hidden and secret groups in
it!"
Indeed, President Kennedy was asserted that there needed to be even *MORE*
governmental secrecy in the statement immediately preceding. (Which, of course,
shoots your stupid idea down)
Nor, of course, did I state that. Moron, aren't you?
>Why do you lie about everything?
Why can't you quote this "lie" you refer to?
>Then he wonders why no one wants to talk to this sicko!
If you molest children all the time, you shouldn't wonder that people will point
it out.
>> >The next reply said this!
>>
>> >"Okay moron... explain why the Catholic Church has any vested interest
>> >in murder, let alone the murder of the first CATHOLIC President of the U.S.
>>
>> >You make outrageously stupid assertions about religion, and you think
>> >that people won't dismiss you for the kook that you are... you're
>> >wrong." (Ben Holmes)
>>
>> And strangely enough, no response has been made that explains this.
>
>It has been explained, you just won't accept it.
By arguing that the Vatican wanted to proselytize by creating a war? Killing off
the very people they hope to convert?
Yeah... just another example of your stupidity...
>> >I guess this guy was clueless to what many people called the Vietnam
>> >war, huh? It was called "Spelly's war" by many in power and they were
>> >referring to Cardinal Spellman of NYC.
>>
>> Oh my! You've solved the case!
>
>Never claimed to solve the case moron, but if we throw things out or
>label them "red herrings" without even checking them out we are only
>serving the people who don't want the truth to be known.
>
>YOU claim to want the truth, but we see you really don't.
For someone who flatly refuses to define simple terms - the truth can't possibly
be of interest to you.
>> >One would have to be either a complete fool or a complete liar to
>> >disclaim the FACT the Roman Church (and other religious orgs too) has
>> >killed many in the name of religion!
>>
>> One would have to be either a complete fool or a complete liar to
>> disclaim the FACT that I've never made any such claim.
>
>YOU are acting like this is OUT of the realm of possibility while
>putting UP NO reasons why it is. That is Troll tactics 101.
Sorry stupid... you lied again. You have, in fact, demonstrated that you're a
complete fool AND a complete liar.
>> >He then said this in the next reply!
>>
>> >"If I had any interest whatsoever in such nonsense, I could compile an
>> >equally 'devastating' list of Boy Scouts involved.
>>
>> >Another kook has already done so with the "Skull & Bones", I doubt if
>> >the Boy Scouts would pose any problem. (other than the time wasted in
>> >researching it)" (Ben Holmes)
>>
>> Yep... absolutely true, and absolutely devastating to your silly thesis.
>
>LOL!!
>
>This moron can't explain why this is wrong, he just claims it is and
>that becomes the truth for all of us supposedly.
Oh, most intelligent people understood what I just said.
Only the stupid can't figure it out.
>> >He calls me the "child molester" when this GUY IS OBSESSED WITH THE
>> >BOY SCOUTS! Many of his analogies involve the "boy scouts"! What a
>> >sicko!
>>
>> "Boy Scouts" is properly capitalized. Do try to pay attention to
>> your spelling.
>
>"Ben" pays attention to more than capitalization when it comes to "Boy
>Scouts" I would guess!
Oh, I generally just delete your emails bragging about your latest molestation.
I'm simply not interested in your legal and moral problems.
>> >Do deny the existence of the "Skull & Bones" society is to be an
>> >outright liar when there is much research about it. In fact, his
>> >beloved Bushes have NEVER denied being members of it!
>>
>> To imply that I've ever denied the existence of the "Skull & Bones"
>> makes you an outright liar, doesn't it?
>
>More games liar. YOU call Sam a kook for mentioning them yet they
>exist and they produce men who serve in high offices, yet you want to
>act like they have NO influence.
To imply that I've ever denied the existence of the "Skull & Bones" makes you an
outright liar, doesn't it?
>> It's interesting to note that the kook properly capitalized
>> "Skull & Bones", but refused to do so in the case of the "Boy Scouts".
>
>Ben gets mad if you mess with HIS BOY SCOUTS, huh?
You do in *my* neighborhood what you do in yours, and your life insurance had
better be current. We don't condone child molestation here...
>> >By the way, the "skull & bones" comes from the Knights Templar as that
>> >was their INSIGNIA. These folks spread out and became other things
>> >after the Roman Church had it INQUEST (oh, I wonder if Ben will
>> >defend this and act like it never happened?) and the Friday the 13th
>> >bloodbath!
>>
>> >The Templars INVENTED banking and how it is run today! Is it a
>> >coincidence that orgs like the pirates and Waffen SS adopt their
>> >insignia?
>>
>> All very fascinating and worthless nonsense...
>
>NOT really IF you had the brains to make connections.
Nah... I'm not a kook.
>> >The lying deniar then said this:
>>
>> >"Kooks of a feather flock together..." (Ben Holmes)
>>
>> And yet, that's simply the truth. Hurts, doesn't it?
>
>NOT all since YOU have demonstrated you are the KOOK!
And yet, that's simply the truth. Hurts, doesn't it?
>> >See, all we get is personal attacks, NOT evidence.
>>
>> Indeed, there's a rather complete *lack* of evidence for the theory that the
>> Vatican ordered the murder of an American President.
>
>I never claimed that
You defended me as "LT", and yet you can't defend the topics I raised.
>so take it up with LT, or yourself if you are LT
>too, as my point was YOU can't call this a red herring or dismiss it
>out of hand IF you have NEVER researched it.
Then why do you dismiss the fact that the Boy Scouts ordered the murder of JFK?
Or are you willing to state that you've researched it?
>Can you show us you researched this and reached the conclusion they
>had nothing to do with it?
Nope. Nor have I researched the possibility that Mother Teresa was behind the
coup.
I categorically state without hesitation that you're stupid to believe that she
was, research or *NO* research.
>> Or even a reasonable *theory* to explain why the Vatican would do this.
>
>There are many, but since you are a man with limited mental capacity
>you wouldn't get it.
The only one put forth so far is that of the desire to convert the Vietnamese to
Catholicism.
Feel free to find another kook to agree with you on that one...
>> >Any person in power he names for participation in this conspiracy
>> >can be tied to one of the groups (and more in some cases).
>>
>> And, of course, the Boy Scouts. I wonder why you keep covering up that fact?
>
>Why do you deny this obvious fact "Ben?"
I'm not. I've already asserted that the Boy Scouts ordered JFK's murder.
>> >But he sees that as NOT being odd!
>>
>> I'm not a kook.
>
>> >Carry on Super LNer!
>>
>> A rather ridiculous statement that you cannot support.
>
>I don't have to support it as YOUR own words do this as usual.
A rather ridiculous statement that you cannot support.
LT
simultaneously trying to state that he is me. Check my e-mail and
Internet usernames:
"Lord Tsukasa"
"Lord Carpainter"
"SimonJCP"
One will see that I have an established history in the "conspiracy
circles", if you will. "Ben Holmes" is quite dishonest.
And Rob -- don't give this up because of trolls like him. You get it
-- not a lot of people do. Thanks for helping to ward this troll
off. :)
Ben Holmes
LT says...
Kooks of a feather flock together...
curtjester1
> In article <60350d99-fef7-4340-823d-76c0dad46...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Is that why you, Walt, and Healy are always in a V formation?
CJ
robcap...@netscape.com
You are welcome LT. It is a shame that deep research is ignored on a
board that is supposed to be looking for the truth, but the sad truth
is John dominates this board with his false aliases and cronies who
pose as multiple people.
Don't let this bother you as "Ben" claimed the evidence showing 9/11
might be a little different from the way we were told it happened was
AKIN TO ASTROLOGY!
"Ben" is one sick man so I don't let him bother me in the least!
robcap...@netscape.com
> LT says...
>
>
>
> >This Holmes jerk is actually attacking you for "lies" while
> >simultaneously trying to state that he is me. Check my e-mail and
> >Internet usernames:
> >"Lord Tsukasa"
> >"Lord Carpainter"
> >"SimonJCP"
>
> >One will see that I have an established history in the "conspiracy
> >circles", if you will. "Ben Holmes" is quite dishonest.
>
> >And Rob -- don't give this up because of trolls like him. You get it
> >-- not a lot of people do. Thanks for helping to ward this troll
> >off. :)
>
> Kooks of a feather flock together...
That is why "Ben" and "Walt" are such pals, huh?
aeffects
wrote:
> On Aug 25, 9:58 pm, LT <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This Holmes jerk is actually attacking you for "lies" while
> > simultaneously trying to state that he is me. Check my e-mail and
> > Internet usernames:
> > "Lord Tsukasa"
> > "Lord Carpainter"
> > "SimonJCP"
>
> > One will see that I have an established history in the "conspiracy
> > circles", if you will. "Ben Holmes" is quite dishonest.
>
> > And Rob -- don't give this up because of trolls like him. You get it
> > -- not a lot of people do. Thanks for helping to ward this troll
> > off. :)
>
> You are welcome LT. It is a shame that deep research is ignored on a
> board that is supposed to be looking for the truth, but the sad truth
> is John dominates this board with his false aliases and cronies who
> pose as multiple people.
you can always find your way to the Ed Forum troll.... then again, we
KNOW you can't hang there (and do serious research-sic). this is the
ONLY board you can troll and get away with it.... you dipshit lone nut
trolls gotta figure one thing out -- we KNOW!
All your cyber-whining is a perfect example of: ya can't dance the
evidence debate! ROTFLMFAO. Where is the lone nut varsity?
curtjester1
LT, the sad thing is that they are quite deeply dishonest, and it
takes one studying the case to figure them out. Even the learned CT,
if not really concerned about content, can gloss over them.
CJ