why have ruby and oswald seen midmorning 11-22-63 in the beached pickup truck?
Sam McClung
to the north knoll sniper's nest was staged against him by the conspirators,
in the event evidence was found behind the north knoll fence then witnesses
seeing oswald in that area with the rifle package would be readily available
instead, since oswald was framed in the tsbd instead of behind the north
knoll fence, the witnesses to the elm sidewalk beached pickup truck who did
come forward were illegally harassed until they desisted
the cia was like the blob overtaking the tsbd, effectively making it the
tsbdcia, a tentacle of the dallas street star
Steve
I assume Sam that you are aware that the Julia Mercer story was
debunked as a red herring about 45 years ago.
Any other groundbreaking revelations you want to share with us?
Steve
I hate to keep beating you up over this silly post but one more point
to illustrate how innane your comment was.
Could you please explain how an alleged Oswald sighting of and Oswald
"double" walking up the grassy knoll with a rifle case would in ANY
way help in framing Lee Harvey Oswald when all of the evidence against
Oswald was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD? How in the hell would
a gunman walking AWAY from the TSBD and up the grassy knoll make a
gunman located in the 6th floor of the TSBD appear guilty in any
way? Wouldn't such a gunman sighting actuall draw ATTENTION to the
alleged grassy knoll rifleman (who I assume was supposed to be a
secret)?
So you see Sam, as with ALL conspiracy theories they fall apartr
quickly when logic, common sense, and evidence are brought into the
analysis.
Better luck next time.
curtjester1
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According to the Dallas Underground, by several reserchers.......
Tippit was most likely involved in the conspiracy and knew both Ruby
and Oswald. Tippit was what is referred to, as a redneck and also a
corrupt cop. Although Tippit was also a womanizer, I will leave out
the possible repercussions to Tippit in this regards.
An undercover narcotics officer working for Sheriff Bill Decker, was
also working as a musician in various night clubs, including Jack
Ruby's. He claims that Tippit was one of the Dallas Police Officers
closest to Ruby and who performed tasks for him.
Mack Pate, owner of a garage, who knew a large number of the Dallas
police heard from several of them who took their cars to him, that
Tippit was a "dirty cop." A friend of Tippit's own mother also
confirms this.
Mack Pate's mechanic, T. F. White, who was interviewed by the FBI,
spotted a car parked at the El Chico restaurant, across from their
garage, just after the shooting at Dealey Plaza. White insisted the
man sitting in the car was Oswald.
Mack Pate and Wes Wise checked around Oak Cliff for some time and
found quite a number of people who had seen Ruby and Oswald together
on many occasions during the weeks preceding the assassination. (Wes
Wise later became Mayor of Dallas.)
Earl Crater of the Pig and Whistle restaurant said that LHO, Ruby and
Tippit had breakfast there on a number of occasions at 7:00 A.M.
Crater said that LHO never had more then a cup of coffee.
It is believed that Tippit went home for lunch on the 22nd. Then,
about 12:45, 15 minutes after JFK was shot, Tippit was parked at the
south end of the Houston Street Viaduct, in North Oak Cliff, facing
the cars coming off the viaduct....presumably watching for someone.
Several employees of the Good Luck Gas Station saw Tippit sitting
there for several minutes. Then he was observed driving away from the
gas station at a high rate of speed, at about 12:50 and headed south.
Tippits radio call at 12:54 places him at E. 8th and Lancaster, a few
blocks south of the service station
At no time that afternoon was Tippit in his assigned district and he
was always in North Oak Cliff. That district was assigned to Officer
William D. Mentzel.
Tippit made a call from Top Ten Records on Jefferson, a few blocks
west of 12th and Marsalis, around 1:00 P.M. When he came out, he was
agitated and drove off fast. Tippits movements and actions appeared to
be as though frantically looking for someone.
Tippit then, cut off a car driven by an Insurance salesman, James
Andrews, who was headed west on 10th Street about eight blocks west of
where Tippit would be killed. Tippit, also driving west behind the
salesman's car passed him, pulled to the right in front of him,
blocking him in. Tippit then rushed to the drivers side of the car and
looked at the floor between the seats. Tippit apparently did not see
what he was looking for, jumped back in his patrol car and drove away
quickly, reversing his direction and heading back east.
The salesman who experienced this incident, James Andrews, worked for
American National LIfe Insurance, which had not long before also
employed Roscoe White, until he began at the Police Dept. Roscoe White
and Tippit knew each other.lived near each other and their families
were connected. Mrs Tippit had been a bridesmaid at Whites wedding to
Geneva.
According to DPD personnel records, starting in 1956, Tippit worked
security at the Stevens Park Theater, which showed both English and
Spanish speaking films. The owner, Manuel Avila, was allegedly
involved in prostitution, in the hispanic community and ran a well-
known Latin Club. Avila had ties to anti-Castro Cubans. Before coming
to Dallas, Avila had been a CBS correspondent in Mexico and was the
Dallas Spanish Language Voice of America correspendent.
Dallas researcher, Prof. Bill Pulte says:
"There can be little doubt that Avila knew Ruby, given the proximity
of Avila's theater to downtown Dallas, where Ruby's clubs were located
plus given the mutual interest in prostitution of Avila and Ruby.
Tippit worked for Avila for several years. Ralph Paul owned the
Miramar Restaurant, catty-corner to Avila's theater and Tippit got to
know Paul.
A good friend of Paul's was Austin Cook owner of Auston's Barbeque.
This may have been how Tippit took a second part-time moonlighting
job, at Austins. In addition, Ralph Paul was Ruby's backer and silent
partner. The Warren Commission also raised quesations about the
possibility that Tippit was involved with drugs."
Little has been mentoned or known about Tippit working for Avila. The
focus has been on his moonlighting as security at Austin's Barbeque.
Tippit had a close friend, Officer Billy Anglin, and both had
adjoining patrol areas which included Harendale--the sreet in East Oak
Cliff where a house full of violent Cuban conspirators involved in the
anti-Castro movement (SNFE/Alpha 66) and arms smuggling was located.
Anglin last saw Tippit on the morning he was killed, having had coffee
at "The Old Drive-In" about 11:30-11:45. The Warren Commission never
called any relative, associate or police officer who worked with
Tippit to testify. Even the HSCA wondered why not!
What was Tippit doing in the section of North Oak Cliff where Ruby and
Oswald both lived--not his assigned district--when most other police
were concerned with the assassination and in Dealey Plaza? Oak Cliff
was Tippits district, although three miles away and primarily the
downtown police officers were called to Dealey Plaza. Dispatcher, Jim
Bowles (later Sheriff) said that Tippit was in his assigned district.
Although he didn't seem to be, he was apparently several miles from
where he was supposed to be. He was ordered to move into "Central Oak
Cliff" at 12:45 p.m.This order was not in the first transcript produce
by the DPD and then suddenly appeared in a later transcript. This has
caused many reserchers to speculate this order was later dubbed into
the tape by the police friends of Tippit.
There was no reason for Tippit to be moved to that area, which was far
from his assigned area. Yet it is believed he strayed over to that
area many tiimes. Many witnesses say they saw Tippit in that area
quite often, and in fact some thought he even lived in that
area....particularly around the area where he was killed.
It is quite possible that the Cubans were directed to rent a house in
Tippit's or Anglin's district to provide them with protection and a
blind eye to the arms going in and out. If perhaps as some believe,
Oswald was an undercover agent reporting on illegal arms to law
enforcement agents or perhaps to the Dodd Committee, then Oswald would
be targeted by the Cubans, if perhaps they were on to him. There is
some belief that Oswald had been to the house at 3126 Harlendale too.
A group of Mexican-Americans were involved with the Cubans and acted
as translators, some provided by Manuel Avila, who most probbaly knew
Jack Ruby, also involved in ilegal arms sales. Avila was a honcho in
the Mexican-Americamn community, and he employed J D Tippit, in a part-
time security job.
Working for Avila gave Tippit knowledge of the Latin underworld and
the fringe of the Cuban undergound. The Mexican-American group moved
into the 3200 block of Harlendale about the same time that the Cubans
moved into 3126 Harlendale.
_____________________________________
Compiled from information in Harrison Livingstone's, The Radical Right
and the Murder of John F. Kennedy....(2004)
It's obvious, that the real Oswald was the one setting up his CIA
'partner' and TSBD Oswald for the blame for the conspirators.
John Curington, H.L. Hunt's right hand man and security guy, said that
George DeM, Oswald, Ruby, and H.L. Hunt were seen various times
together by him as told to Madeleine Brown.
I just copied the above from Dixie Dea from the Education Forum. The
Radical Right and The Murder of JFK can be viewed online as well.
CJ
curtjester1
More Ruby, Oswald, Tippit, etc.
Two Articles - Top Ten Record Store and Car 10, Where are You?
The Top Ten Record Shop by Bill Drenas
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/top10.htm
Car Ten, Where Are You by Bill Drenas
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/car10.htm
Here are a few Ruby/Oswald 'sightings'
from a John Armstrong 1998 Slide Show Syposium:
(SLIDE 40) The FBI and the Warren Commission concluded Ruby and
Oswald
did not know each other. (RIGHT 20) Yet here is a list of people who
disagree--most of them were interviewed by the FBI.
Memphis Attorney Daniel Thomas McGown found a letter addressed to
Jake
Rubenstein outside the Carousel Club. The return address was "Lee
Oswald, 1106 Diceman Avenue, Dallas, Texas".
Robert Price, Dolores Price and a former Ruby employee saw Ruby and
Oswald together at the Escapades Lounge in Houston on April 11, 1963.
They stayed 4 hours and said they were scheduled to leave from Alvin,
Texas at 6:30 pm by plane for Cuba.
George Faraldo, airport manager at Key West, Florida took both movie
film and still photos of a group of people, including Ruby and
Oswald,
boarding a plane for Cuba.
Vern Davis, who had known Ruby for 10 years, saw and spoke with Ruby
and Lee Harvey Oswald at Jack's bar on Exposition Street in Dallas.
In the summer of 1963 Dorothy Marcum dated Ruby and her aunt worked
for Ruby. She said not only did Oswald and Ruby know each other, but
Ruby had employed Oswald during June and July.
Francis Hise was being interviewed by Ruby for a waitress job, when a
young man came into the Carousel Club. Ruby called him "Ozzie", told
him to go back into the room, and soon joined him. On another
occasion, the same man came into the bar and asked if he could buy
Miss Hise a drink. When Ruby came in they both left together. Miss
Hise later recognized the man as Lee Harvey Oswald.
Clyde Limbough was another employee who had worked for Jack Ruby for
three years. He recalled seeing Oswald in Ruby's office on three
separate occasions.
Robert Roy, Ruby's auto mechanic, said that when Oswald would drop
off
Ruby's car for repairs, he would take Oswald back to Ruby's burlesque
house in Dallas. When asked how many times he had driven Oswald, Roy
said "several times."
Ruby used to park his car at Gibbs Auto Service on Field Street.
Leon
Woods, the manager, kept a record of who borrowed Jack Ruby's car
from
the garage after receiving permission from Ruby. The FBI took the
"checkout and checkin book" that reflected the use of Ruby's car and
never returned it. When Dallas reporter Earl Golz asked the FBI
about
Gibbs Auto Service and the checkin/checkout book, they said they knew
nothing about it.
Long distance operator Marion Hayes handled telephone calls from a
man
in Chamblee, Georgia who tried to phone Oswald in New Orleans without
success. She then completed a call to Oswald in Dallas, and later
completed a call to Jack Ruby in Dallas.
A Dallas telephone company operator in the Whitehall exchange
recorded
frequent calls between Ruby and Oswald. A record was kept because
whenever the pay phone in Oswald's rooming house was busy, Ruby would
tell the operator he had an emergency call to make and she would ask
whoever was on the line to get off. In such cases the operator must
make out a slip recording the call. Ruby used this device frequently
enough so the operator remembered the calls.
These "emergency call records" may have been among phone company
records given to the Dallas Police by Raymond Acker. Acker, a
Southwestern Bell employee, provided Dallas Police with phone company
records of calls between Oswald and Ruby.
In the days leading up to the assassination Ruby's handyman, Larry
Craford, received many telephone calls from an unknown male who would
never leave a message when Ruby was out. When Craford asked Ruby
about
these strange calls, Ruby told him to mind his own business.
These Ruby/Oswald sightings are significant. But the real
significance
of these sightings is that they occurred in the spring and summer of
1963--while Harvey and Marina were in New Orleans. Ruby's use of the
nickname "Ozzie" was the same nickname used by Marines for Oswald in
Japan. Ruby gave us a clue to his knowledge of Oswald when he spoke
out and corrected Henry Wade in the Dallas Police Station. Wade said
Oswald belonged to the Free Cuba Committee and Ruby corrected him by
saying "That's Fair Play for Cuba Committee". After Ruby shot Oswald.
Ruby told his psychiatrist he had been involved in a conspiracy to
murder the President.
(SLIDE 49) After Harvey returned to Dallas on October 3rd, his
alleged
support of Castro and his interest in Cuba disappeared. The FBI and
Warren Commission told us Oswald lived in Oak Cliff and spent the
weekends with Marina at the Paine house in Irving. But the FBI had
other reports (RIGHT 28):
On October 4th the FBI had a report of Oswald spending the night in
Alice, Texas, with his wife and child.
On October 4th the FBI had a report of Oswald involved in a lengthy
conversation with Jack Ruby at the Carousel Club; overheard by Dallas
Attorney Carroll Jarnagin. (WC #2821)
On October 4th Marina and Ruth Paine said Oswald spent the evening
and
night at the Paine house in Irving, Texas.
In 1963 we didn't know of Helen McIntosh. On Thursday evening she was
visiting her friend when someone knocked on the door. When she opened
the door a young man asked for Jack Ruby. Helen told him that Ruby
lived next door and the man left. The man was later identified by
Helen and her friend as Lee Harvey Oswald. (SLIDE 51)
This last one was on Thursday evening, Nov. 21, 1963.
Oswald In North Dakota
http://www.jfkresearch.com/LHO_NDAK/index.html
CJ
Steve
***sigh*** Will it never end?
bigdog
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One thing we can count on from McDung is comic relief.
curtjester1
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Not until the fat lady sings in a court of public consciousness or
better yet in a real court drama with real lawyers and real witnesses.
CJ
Sam McClung
stuff:
> John Curington, H.L. Hunt's right hand man and security guy, said that
> George DeM, Oswald, Ruby, and H.L. Hunt were seen various times
> together by him as told to Madeleine Brown.
> CJ
that's an affiliation to be looked at
Steve
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in part among other good
It HAS been looked at for 46 years and as of this writing 1:10 PM on
Wednesday April 14, 2010 there has yet to emerge ONE solid of piece of
evidence linking Ruby and Oswald. Unless some has surfaced since I
began typing this answer forty seconds ago then ther is still none.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Gil Jesus
> as of this writing 1:10 PM on
> Wednesday April 14, 2010 there has yet to emerge ONE solid of piece of
> evidence linking Ruby and Oswald. �Unless some has surfaced since I
> began typing this answer forty seconds ago then ther is still none.
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble.
No.....Sorry to burst YOUR bubble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcVM_UbBIyI
bigdog
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The first step in having a jury trial is to decide who should be
accused. Since you guys can't seem to settle on anyone, I don't see
much chance of that happening again. Jim Garrison actually did what
you suggested. He took over a month to present his best case that
someone other the LHO was involved in the assassination. It took the
jury all of 45 minutes to decide his case was horseshit. But then
again, those jurors were probably part of the cover up.
curtjester1
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The first step is to have people with clout get behind the case,
instead of having people with clout muffling the investigative process
and what could be deemed worthy to prosecute in a court of law.
When you have a Ruby given injections and being under an X-ray light
and dying of cancer when he was a fitness buff before his new trial
date, one has to look at a potential pattern of cover up for court
dates.
Martin was taken care of in N.O. in conjunction to tie-in's about the
assassination with Oswald and Bannister, and Ferrie. You have Ferrie
taken care of. Jim Hicks is whisked away after his testimony before a
N.O Parish grand jury for twenty years then murdered on his release.
These people along with Shaw would have made for quite an interesting
trial that could have lasted for years and years. Shaw we know now
had a lot of CIA contacts and affiliations. When you have the people
of clout getting involved quickly and smearing a Russo, and whoever
came in the way, it was easy to shut it down. With the facts coming
in after because of the public awareness factor of the Garrison Trial,
more pertinent investigations arose and researchers were privy to many
more details which would have brought a real trial to a much more
evidence worthy and sophisticated level.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/garr/grandjury/pdf/Hicks.pdf
CJ
bigdog
United States, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and a
Congressional Committee to get behind an investigation. Who did you
have in mind?
> When you have a Ruby given injections and being under an X-ray light
> and dying of cancer when he was a fitness buff before his new trial
> date, one has to look at a potential pattern of cover up for court
> dates.
>
A fitness buff? And they never get cancer do they? Yes, a cancer death
is really suspiscious isn't it. That's certainly the way you want to
rub somebody out. Give him something that will take months of not
years to kill him. No chance of him spilling the beans in the
meantime.
> Martin was taken care of in N.O. in conjunction to tie-in's about the
> assassination with Oswald and Bannister, and Ferrie. You have Ferrie
> taken care of. Jim Hicks is whisked away after his testimony before a
> N.O Parish grand jury for twenty years then murdered on his release.
> These people along with Shaw would have made for quite an interesting
> trial that could have lasted for years and years. Shaw we know now
> had a lot of CIA contacts and affiliations. When you have the people
> of clout getting involved quickly and smearing a Russo, and whoever
> came in the way, it was easy to shut it down. With the facts coming
> in after because of the public awareness factor of the Garrison Trial,
> more pertinent investigations arose and researchers were privy to many
> more details which would have brought a real trial to a much more
> evidence worthy and sophisticated level.
>
And still you have come up empty. You got exactly now what you had 40
years ago and what you will have in another 40 years. Zip. Zero. Nada.
Steve
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I think the first step to solving this case is getting rid of idiot
who believe that you can be injected with cancer cells and you will
die from cancer. Geeezzz...do any conspiracy nuts ever READ real
books?
I cannot believe that curtjester actually believes this silly and
medically impossible theory. Hey, what if I inject blood from a
person who stutters into my blood stream? Will I stutter then as
well.
The future is doomed.
curtjester1
Someone who doesn't work on the Special Interest's formula for
success.
> > When you have a Ruby given injections and being under an X-ray light
> > and dying of cancer when he was a fitness buff before his new trial
> > date, one has to look at a potential pattern of cover up for court
> > dates.
>
> A fitness buff? And they never get cancer do they? Yes, a cancer death
> is really suspiscious isn't it. That's certainly the way you want to
> rub somebody out. Give him something that will take months of not
> years to kill him. No chance of him spilling the beans in the
> meantime.
>
Oswald was working on cancer injections in N.O. and we know that
vaccines alone caused a dramatic spiked increase in soft tissue
cancers in the 60's.
Many do take Ruby's death seriously, with all the brain tumors, and
sudden fast development of the cancer in the lungs when he didn't
smoke.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8618
> > Martin was taken care of in N.O. in conjunction to tie-in's about the
> > assassination with Oswald and Bannister, and Ferrie. You have Ferrie
> > taken care of. Jim Hicks is whisked away after his testimony before a
> > N.O Parish grand jury for twenty years then murdered on his release.
> > These people along with Shaw would have made for quite an interesting
> > trial that could have lasted for years and years. Shaw we know now
> > had a lot of CIA contacts and affiliations. When you have the people
> > of clout getting involved quickly and smearing a Russo, and whoever
> > came in the way, it was easy to shut it down. With the facts coming
> > in after because of the public awareness factor of the Garrison Trial,
> > more pertinent investigations arose and researchers were privy to many
> > more details which would have brought a real trial to a much more
> > evidence worthy and sophisticated level.
>
> And still you have come up empty. You got exactly now what you had 40
> years ago and what you will have in another 40 years. Zip. Zero. Nada.
Well they only got 8 Conspirators in the Lincoln assassination. Of
course there were more. How many conspirators do you want?
CJ
Steve
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But let's face it. The conspiracy kooks of the world are never going
to happy with ANY committee unless it is comprised of loonies,
crazies, and nuts that will accept innuendo, false premises, and
rumors. So long as REAL evidence, REAL science, and ACTUAL facts are
used the conspiracy nuts will never be content. They want members
like Jack White, David Healy, Robert Groden, and David Lifton, NOT ONE
of whom is an expert in ANYTHING other than scamming thegullible.
When REAL scientists and REAL experts are used on investigating
committees the nuts scream foul since they reach conclusions that
point to Oswald as the gunman.
This fact will NEVER change.
bigdog
from the usual suspects "they" to "Special Interest's". Just as vague
but it does sound a little more haughty.
> > > When you have a Ruby given injections and being under an X-ray light
> > > and dying of cancer when he was a fitness buff before his new trial
> > > date, one has to look at a potential pattern of cover up for court
> > > dates.
>
> > A fitness buff? And they never get cancer do they? Yes, a cancer death
> > is really suspiscious isn't it. That's certainly the way you want to
> > rub somebody out. Give him something that will take months of not
> > years to kill him. No chance of him spilling the beans in the
> > meantime.
>
> Oswald was working on cancer injections in N.O. and we know that
> vaccines alone caused a dramatic spiked increase in soft tissue
> cancers in the 60's.
>
What does that have to do with Ruby's cancer?
> Many do take Ruby's death seriously, with all the brain tumors, and
> sudden fast development of the cancer in the lungs when he didn't
> smoke.
>
Smokers are not the only ones who get lung cancer. They just have a
higher incidence of cancer than the non-smoking population. He did run
a night club where he would have been exposed to considerable second
hand smoke. In any event, you can't give somebody cancer. Cancers
develop from within the human body and are usually present years
before symptoms occur.
>
> > > Martin was taken care of in N.O. in conjunction to tie-in's about the
> > > assassination with Oswald and Bannister, and Ferrie. You have Ferrie
> > > taken care of. Jim Hicks is whisked away after his testimony before a
> > > N.O Parish grand jury for twenty years then murdered on his release.
> > > These people along with Shaw would have made for quite an interesting
> > > trial that could have lasted for years and years. Shaw we know now
> > > had a lot of CIA contacts and affiliations. When you have the people
> > > of clout getting involved quickly and smearing a Russo, and whoever
> > > came in the way, it was easy to shut it down. With the facts coming
> > > in after because of the public awareness factor of the Garrison Trial,
> > > more pertinent investigations arose and researchers were privy to many
> > > more details which would have brought a real trial to a much more
> > > evidence worthy and sophisticated level.
>
> > And still you have come up empty. You got exactly now what you had 40
> > years ago and what you will have in another 40 years. Zip. Zero. Nada.
>
> Well they only got 8 Conspirators in the Lincoln assassination. Of
> course there were more. How many conspirators do you want?
>
> CJ
Even one would be nice. That's the minimum you need in addition to
Oswald to make up a conspiracy. If you want to make Oswald an innocent
patsy, you will have to give us two.
tomnln
"bigdog" <jecorb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Steve
> The Nazis were injeting Jews with cancer since WW II.
>
Injecting cancer cells in a healthy person do NOT cause cancer you
idiot.
curtjester1
that gov't will do anything on the up and up? Why do you? It's all
about fairness, isn't it?
> > > > When you have a Ruby given injections and being under an X-ray light
> > > > and dying of cancer when he was a fitness buff before his new trial
> > > > date, one has to look at a potential pattern of cover up for court
> > > > dates.
>
> > > A fitness buff? And they never get cancer do they? Yes, a cancer death
> > > is really suspiscious isn't it. That's certainly the way you want to
> > > rub somebody out. Give him something that will take months of not
> > > years to kill him. No chance of him spilling the beans in the
> > > meantime.
>
> > Oswald was working on cancer injections in N.O. and we know that
> > vaccines alone caused a dramatic spiked increase in soft tissue
> > cancers in the 60's.
>
> What does that have to do with Ruby's cancer?
>
Cancer injections were being worked on and tried upon. If Oswald knew
Ruby, which is way apparent, and the Oswald who was with him was not
the TSBD Oswald. It may have been another assignment. JVB said that
there was one case they (not her approval) tried on a Louisiana
prisoner, and he was dead in 28 days.
> > Many do take Ruby's death seriously, with all the brain tumors, and
> > sudden fast development of the cancer in the lungs when he didn't
> > smoke.
>
> Smokers are not the only ones who get lung cancer. They just have a
> higher incidence of cancer than the non-smoking population. He did run
> a night club where he would have been exposed to considerable second
> hand smoke. In any event, you can't give somebody cancer. Cancers
> develop from within the human body and are usually present years
> before symptoms occur.
>
>
He was healthy and dramatically got worse. I believe in Crossfire
there were doctors that were bewildered with the lung cancer and his
type of cancer as well.
>
> > > > Martin was taken care of in N.O. in conjunction to tie-in's about the
> > > > assassination with Oswald and Bannister, and Ferrie. You have Ferrie
> > > > taken care of. Jim Hicks is whisked away after his testimony before a
> > > > N.O Parish grand jury for twenty years then murdered on his release.
> > > > These people along with Shaw would have made for quite an interesting
> > > > trial that could have lasted for years and years. Shaw we know now
> > > > had a lot of CIA contacts and affiliations. When you have the people
> > > > of clout getting involved quickly and smearing a Russo, and whoever
> > > > came in the way, it was easy to shut it down. With the facts coming
> > > > in after because of the public awareness factor of the Garrison Trial,
> > > > more pertinent investigations arose and researchers were privy to many
> > > > more details which would have brought a real trial to a much more
> > > > evidence worthy and sophisticated level.
>
> > > And still you have come up empty. You got exactly now what you had 40
> > > years ago and what you will have in another 40 years. Zip. Zero. Nada.
>
> > Well they only got 8 Conspirators in the Lincoln assassination. Of
> > course there were more. How many conspirators do you want?
>
> > CJ
>
> Even one would be nice. That's the minimum you need in addition to
> Oswald to make up a conspiracy. If you want to make Oswald an innocent
> patsy, you will have to give us two.
Ruby, Oswald and Tippit, regular breakfast eaters at one OakCliff
restaurant. H.L. Hunt, George DeMorenshildt, Ruby, and Oswald seen
together at various times by Curington. Roscoe White and the BY
Photos being in Oswald's unit in the Marines. Oswald and
Ferrie...the library card (seen in the throwdown wallet).
Ferrie, I believe took a trip to Haiti, with some of the lab
work.....guess where AIDS has been known to have got started? If you
open your mind, instead of automatically closing it, and giving trite
'teflon scenarios', you would do better.
CJ
tomnln
CANCER INTO JEWS AS FAR BACK AS 1939.
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bigdog
You will believe just about anything won't you.
bigdog
and can kill within months as opposed to years. One of the most famous
cases was that of Brian Piccolo, the subject of the classic TV movie
Brian's Song. He was a professional athlete and a non-smoker yet he
contracted a devastating form of lung cancer. Despite having a lung
removed, the cancer spread so rapidly he was dead within six months of
the diagnosis. So why would you think Jack Ruby's cancer is reason for
suspiscion?
curtjester1
Some things are so apparent that it defies any logic not to, with SO
many people involved together and in this one man's life. Yet, to
those who want to believe in the LNT, it's just a coincidence!
I wouldn't want to say AIDS was started in Haiti by one man, but most
think of AIDS as a lab experiment gone awry somewhere, sometime.
CJ
curtjester1
I would think Brian Piccolo's case is rare, wouldn't one? There have
been several NFL players that have been early deaths with cancer.
Many suspect the chemicals in the grass that they play on. In any
case, it would be a stretch to say it was probable for Ruby to equate
Ruby's lung cancer with these off the wall, 'claims of support'. I
guess it's the LNT'er mentality, to find anything, not to believe the
obvious.
CJ
bigdog
The fact that you find it significant that Oswald, Ruby, and Tippit
might have frequented the same restaurant, if indeed they did, says it
all. You are looking high and low for any possible connection and this
is the best you can do? Do you really think that everyone who eats at
any particular restaurant actually knows one another?
There is absolutely no credible evidence that Ruby, Oswald, or Tippit
knew each other. There is nothing to indicate that Tippit and Oswald
ever came face to face priot to Oswald shooting Tippit dead at 10th
and Patton. There is nothing to indicate that Ruby and Oswald ever
came face to face prior to to Ruby firing a fatal shot into Oswald's
gut. This is all the stuff that myths are made of.
bigdog
Are you really going to claim that Ruby being injected with cancer is
obvious? ROFLMFAO!!! This is just the kind of chickenshit most
conspriacy theories are made from. What difference does it make how
rare Brian Piccolo's or Jack Ruby's cancers were. They fucking happen.
And they happen to people randomly. The people who they happen to are
just shit out of luck. That's fucking life. Life is a series of random
events. It's unfair as it can fucking be. Even JFK said so in not
quite so blunt terms. Some people get chicken salad while others get
chickenshit. Go figure.
curtjester1
Carter).
> There is absolutely no credible evidence that Ruby, Oswald, or Tippit
> knew each other. There is nothing to indicate that Tippit and Oswald
> ever came face to face priot to Oswald shooting Tippit dead at 10th
> and Patton. There is nothing to indicate that Ruby and Oswald ever
> came face to face prior to to Ruby firing a fatal shot into Oswald's
> gut. This is all the stuff that myths are made of.
Even Ruby's sister said Tippit used to ride around with Ruby.
CJ
curtjester1
Ruby said so, and so did the Jailer, Maddox. There is NOTHING that
made it look like a regular cancer caught which would conclude to a
death in an window of time that would be called appropriate.
CJ