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Len Colby
Apr 29, 2012, 9:00:15 PM4/29/12
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The MLK Assassination - A Tale of Two Mustangs
A few hours before the murder of Martin Luther King Jr. James Earl Ray
rented a room in a flophouse with a view of Dr. King’s motel room.
Moments after the shot was fired a white man ran from near Ray’s room
and sped off in white Mustang. The next morning Ray dumped his white
Mustang in Atlanta. There were however two such cars parked on the
block. Ray and his defenders claim he drove off in his before King was
shot and that the man who fled after was an imposter. The evidence
however indicates the opposite; the ‘other’ Mustang was driven off
about 30 minutes before the assassination and the man who fled did so
in Ray’s car, and thus almost certainly was Ray himself.
At about 3 PM April 4, 1968 the day Martin Luther King Jr. was
assassinated, escaped convict, James Earl Ray inquired about rooms at
Bessie Brewer’s rooming house on South Main St. in Memphis TN. Mrs.
Brewer first offered him room 8 but after looking inside he said he
was not interested, it had a stove and refrigerator and he did not
need cooking facilities, or so he said. She next showed him room 5B he
looked inside, said he would take it and registered under an alias.
Room 8 did not have a view of the Lorraine Motel on Mulberry St. where
Dr. King was staying, 5B did. You could only see the motel from Ray’s
room if you sat or stool right next to the wall at an acute angle to
window. The communal bathroom only a few feet down the hallway had an
almost head on view. The rooming house occupied the 2nd floors of two
separate buildings, the ground floors of which were occupied by [from
north to south] Jim’s Grill (a bar and grill), Cohn & Co. and Canipe’s
Amusements (a jukebox company that sold used 45s).
King was killed by a single rifle shot at 6:01 PM, police who happened
to be at a fire station around the corner responded quickly. Witnesses
indicated, and the coroner later confirmed, that the shot came from
the general direction of the flophouse. Moments after shot a man
carrying a long bundle ran from hallway Ray’s room was on down to Main
St., dumped the bundle in front of Canipe’s and sped off in a white
Mustang.
Read more here:
http://lies-of-the-truth-movement.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/mlk-assassination-tale-of-two-mustangs.html
A few hours before the murder of Martin Luther King Jr. James Earl Ray
rented a room in a flophouse with a view of Dr. King’s motel room.
Moments after the shot was fired a white man ran from near Ray’s room
and sped off in white Mustang. The next morning Ray dumped his white
Mustang in Atlanta. There were however two such cars parked on the
block. Ray and his defenders claim he drove off in his before King was
shot and that the man who fled after was an imposter. The evidence
however indicates the opposite; the ‘other’ Mustang was driven off
about 30 minutes before the assassination and the man who fled did so
in Ray’s car, and thus almost certainly was Ray himself.
At about 3 PM April 4, 1968 the day Martin Luther King Jr. was
assassinated, escaped convict, James Earl Ray inquired about rooms at
Bessie Brewer’s rooming house on South Main St. in Memphis TN. Mrs.
Brewer first offered him room 8 but after looking inside he said he
was not interested, it had a stove and refrigerator and he did not
need cooking facilities, or so he said. She next showed him room 5B he
looked inside, said he would take it and registered under an alias.
Room 8 did not have a view of the Lorraine Motel on Mulberry St. where
Dr. King was staying, 5B did. You could only see the motel from Ray’s
room if you sat or stool right next to the wall at an acute angle to
window. The communal bathroom only a few feet down the hallway had an
almost head on view. The rooming house occupied the 2nd floors of two
separate buildings, the ground floors of which were occupied by [from
north to south] Jim’s Grill (a bar and grill), Cohn & Co. and Canipe’s
Amusements (a jukebox company that sold used 45s).
King was killed by a single rifle shot at 6:01 PM, police who happened
to be at a fire station around the corner responded quickly. Witnesses
indicated, and the coroner later confirmed, that the shot came from
the general direction of the flophouse. Moments after shot a man
carrying a long bundle ran from hallway Ray’s room was on down to Main
St., dumped the bundle in front of Canipe’s and sped off in a white
Mustang.
Read more here:
http://lies-of-the-truth-movement.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/mlk-assassination-tale-of-two-mustangs.html
Len Colby
Apr 29, 2012, 10:55:02 PM4/29/12
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Anthony Marsh
Apr 30, 2012, 8:09:49 AM4/30/12
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On 4/29/2012 10:55 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> A few hours before the murder of Martin Luther King Jr. James Earl Ray
> rented a room in a flophouse with a view of Dr. King’s motel room.
> Moments after the shot was fired a white man ran from near Ray’s room
> and sped off in white Mustang. The next morning Ray dumped his white
> Mustang in Atlanta. There were however two such cars parked on the
> block. Ray and his defenders claim he drove off in his before King was
> shot and that the man who fled after was an imposter. The evidence
> however indicates the opposite; the ‘other’ Mustang was driven off
> about 30 minutes before the assassination and the man who fled did so
> in Ray’s car, and thus almost certainly was Ray himself.
>
Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
> A few hours before the murder of Martin Luther King Jr. James Earl Ray
> rented a room in a flophouse with a view of Dr. King’s motel room.
> Moments after the shot was fired a white man ran from near Ray’s room
> and sped off in white Mustang. The next morning Ray dumped his white
> Mustang in Atlanta. There were however two such cars parked on the
> block. Ray and his defenders claim he drove off in his before King was
> shot and that the man who fled after was an imposter. The evidence
> however indicates the opposite; the ‘other’ Mustang was driven off
> about 30 minutes before the assassination and the man who fled did so
> in Ray’s car, and thus almost certainly was Ray himself.
>
How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> At about 3 PM April 4, 1968 the day Martin Luther King Jr. was
> assassinated, escaped convict, James Earl Ray inquired about rooms at
> Bessie Brewer’s rooming house on South Main St. in Memphis TN. Mrs.
> Brewer first offered him room 8 but after looking inside he said he
> was not interested, it had a stove and refrigerator and he did not
> need cooking facilities, or so he said. She next showed him room 5B he
> looked inside, said he would take it and registered under an alias.
> Room 8 did not have a view of the Lorraine Motel on Mulberry St. where
> Dr. King was staying, 5B did. You could only see the motel from Ray’s
> room if you sat or stool right next to the wall at an acute angle to
> window. The communal bathroom only a few feet down the hallway had an
> almost head on view. The rooming house occupied the 2nd floors of two
> separate buildings, the ground floors of which were occupied by [from
> Amusements (a jukebox company that sold used 45s).
>
> King was killed by a single rifle shot at 6:01 PM, police who happened
> to be at a fire station around the corner responded quickly. Witnesses
> indicated, and the coroner later confirmed, that the shot came from
> the general direction of the flophouse. Moments after shot a man
> carrying a long bundle ran from hallway Ray’s room was on down to Main
> St., dumped the bundle in front of Canipe’s and sped off in a white
> Mustang.
>
Isn't it a little suspicious that a bag with all the evidence in it is
>
> King was killed by a single rifle shot at 6:01 PM, police who happened
> to be at a fire station around the corner responded quickly. Witnesses
> indicated, and the coroner later confirmed, that the shot came from
> the general direction of the flophouse. Moments after shot a man
> carrying a long bundle ran from hallway Ray’s room was on down to Main
> St., dumped the bundle in front of Canipe’s and sped off in a white
> Mustang.
>
left in a doorway outside the bar?
Len Colby
Apr 30, 2012, 7:08:46 PM4/30/12
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On Apr 30, 8:09 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
I answered that in the linked paper:
>
> Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
The two Mustangs were very similar. Both were dirty, white, late-model
hard-tops from states (or a state) that differently from Tennessee did
not use front license plates. Ray’s was a 1966 289 HP and the one in
front of Jim’s appears to have been a 1966 - 8 289 HP as well. There
are two possible explanations, coincidence or conspiracy. However
unlike Pepper I don’t think the latter would point to the FBI, CIA,
DoD, MPD or Mafia let alone a combination of these groups. Quite to
the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
Holloman among others.
> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
involved in some robberies
> Isn't it a little suspicious that a bag with all the evidence in it is
> left in a doorway outside the bar?
one of the cop cars and got spooked. If they wanted to frame Ray why
not just leave the stuff in his room?
aeffects
Apr 30, 2012, 7:24:15 PM4/30/12
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finally got here.
Len Colby
Apr 30, 2012, 11:50:58 PM4/30/12
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> Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
I addressed that in the linked paper:
The two Mustangs were very similar. Both were dirty, white, late-model
did not use front license plates. Ray’s was a 1966 289 HP and the one
in front of Jim’s appears to have been a 1966 - 8 289 HP as well.
There are two possible explanations, coincidence or conspiracy.
However unlike Pepper I don’t think the latter would point to the FBI,
CIA, DoD, MPD or Mafia let alone a combination of these groups. Quite
to the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable
of getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray
to scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s
spot after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible
coincidence it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of
people perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types,
certainly not men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello
and Frank Holloman among others.
in front of Jim’s appears to have been a 1966 - 8 289 HP as well.
There are two possible explanations, coincidence or conspiracy.
However unlike Pepper I don’t think the latter would point to the FBI,
CIA, DoD, MPD or Mafia let alone a combination of these groups. Quite
to the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable
of getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray
to scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s
spot after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible
coincidence it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of
people perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types,
certainly not men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello
and Frank Holloman among others.
> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
That is outside the scope of my paper but I don’t discount the
possibility someone was funding Ray and IIRC there is evidence he
committed robberies, including a bank robbery after he escaped.
> Isn't it a little suspicious that a bag with all the evidence in it is
> left in a doorway outside the bar?
why wouldn’t the plotters have just left it in Ray’s room? The most
likely explanation is that Ray saw one of the cop cars parked in front
of the fire station and decided dumping the bundle was a better option
than risk being caught with it.
Anthony Marsh
Apr 30, 2012, 11:51:08 PM4/30/12
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On 4/30/2012 7:08 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> On Apr 30, 8:09 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
>
>
> I answered that in the linked paper:
>
> The two Mustangs were very similar. Both were dirty, white, late-model
> hard-tops from states (or a state) that differently from Tennessee did
> not use front license plates. Ray’s was a 1966 289 HP and the one in
> front of Jim’s appears to have been a 1966 - 8 289 HP as well. There
> are two possible explanations, coincidence or conspiracy. However
> unlike Pepper I don’t think the latter would point to the FBI, CIA,
> DoD, MPD or Mafia let alone a combination of these groups. Quite to
I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> On Apr 30, 8:09 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
>
>
> I answered that in the linked paper:
>
> The two Mustangs were very similar. Both were dirty, white, late-model
> hard-tops from states (or a state) that differently from Tennessee did
> not use front license plates. Ray’s was a 1966 289 HP and the one in
> front of Jim’s appears to have been a 1966 - 8 289 HP as well. There
> are two possible explanations, coincidence or conspiracy. However
> unlike Pepper I don’t think the latter would point to the FBI, CIA,
> DoD, MPD or Mafia let alone a combination of these groups. Quite to
I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> Holloman among others.
>
conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
not the CIA, not the FBI.
>
>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> involved in some robberies
>
Len Colby
May 1, 2012, 4:40:17 PM5/1/12
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On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
then we are in general agreement.
> > the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> > getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> > scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> > after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> > it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> > perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> > men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> > Holloman among others.
>
> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> not the CIA, not the FBI.
“conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
abuse of the judicial system.
http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
As noted in my paper:
“The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
>
> >> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> > That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> > someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> > involved in some robberies
>
> Nice dodge.
How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
>
> >> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> > That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> > someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> > involved in some robberies
>
> Nice dodge.
scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/dealey-12639-bank-came.html
http://www.american-buddha.com/martin.orderskill.12.htm
Len Colby
May 1, 2012, 4:47:09 PM5/1/12
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> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
then we are in general agreement.
to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
then we are in general agreement.
> > the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> > getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> > scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> > after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> > it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> > perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> > men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> > Holloman among others.
>
> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> not the CIA, not the FBI.
> > getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> > scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> > after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> > it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> > perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> > men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> > Holloman among others.
>
> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> not the CIA, not the FBI.
Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
“conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
abuse of the judicial system.
http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
As noted in my paper:
“The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
>
“conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
abuse of the judicial system.
http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
As noted in my paper:
“The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
>
> >> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> > That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> > someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> > involved in some robberies
>
> Nice dodge.
>
> > That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> > someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> > involved in some robberies
>
> Nice dodge.
Anthony Marsh
May 1, 2012, 8:36:28 PM5/1/12
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On 5/1/2012 4:47 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>
> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> then we are in general agreement.
>
>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
>>> Holloman among others.
>>
>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
>
>
> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
Did they name the CIA or FBI? No.
> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>
> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> then we are in general agreement.
>
>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
>>> Holloman among others.
>>
>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
>
>
> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> abuse of the judicial system.
>
conspiracy?
> http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
>
> As noted in my paper:
>
> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>
> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>>
>>
>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>>
>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
>>> involved in some robberies
>>
>> Nice dodge.
>
>
> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
Len Colby
May 1, 2012, 11:24:43 PM5/1/12
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levels of the government of the United States and some of its agents and
officials”? USPS? The Agriculture Department? There is little room for
doubt Pepper accused the CIA and FBI in his books and the King family went
along for the ride and Pepper directly implied the FBI was involved during
the trial. Your original claim “according to the court case which the
King family won the conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with
lots of money, not the CIA, not the FBI” was way off the mark. This
topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I doubt you’ve
read, I have nothing more to say about it.
> > was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> > and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> > was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> > someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> > come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> > abuse of the judicial system.
>
> So, we have the confession of conspiracy and you claim it was NOT a
> conspiracy?
to make his most damming claims under oath, as spelled out in the DoJ
report which I doubt you’ve read. Why would someone sue for $100? Why
would a prominent NYC lawyer spend over 3 weeks in Memphis, not to mention
his prep. time, for his cut of such an award? Why would a defendant hire a
lawyer to defend him in such a case? Pepper wanted a soap box with the
legitimacy a court case would provide, Jowers and his lawyer wanted a
quick buck. It was a show trial, both sides took essentially the same
position; there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
>
> > As noted in my paper:
>
> > “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> > that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> > story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> > tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> > described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> > scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>
> >http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
> >>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> >>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>> involved in some robberies
>
> >> Nice dodge.
>
> > How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> > scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> > robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
>
> Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender.
>
couple of months after he escaped, he started spending heavily the day
after it. He and his brother had used a similar MO in other robberies.
Most of the money taken was $20 bills, many of Ray’s purchases were made
with large numbers of 20s. In any case a) he was a habitual criminal if he
wasn’t one of the Alton robbers he could have committed other crimes, b)
I don’t doubt he might have been funded by some Klan types it’s not
like he spent exorbitant amounts of money. What makes you think local
reporter Dan Brannan was “a WC defender”?
This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
Anthony Marsh
May 2, 2012, 9:25:30 AM5/2/12
to
On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>
> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> then we are in general agreement.
>
In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>
> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> then we are in general agreement.
>
>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
>>> Holloman among others.
>>
>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
>
>
> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
mentioning them by name.
> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> abuse of the judicial system.
>
> http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
>
> As noted in my paper:
>
> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>
Sounds fishy to me.
> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>>
>>
>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>>
>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
>>> involved in some robberies
>>
>> Nice dodge.
>
>
> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>
> http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/dealey-12639-bank-came.html
> http://www.american-buddha.com/martin.orderskill.12.htm
>
>
Anthony Marsh
May 2, 2012, 5:09:27 PM5/2/12
to
that fun?
Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
guesses.
> along for the ride and Pepper directly implied the FBI was involved during
> the trial. Your original claim “according to the court case which the
> King family won the conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with
> lots of money, not the CIA, not the FBI” was way off the mark. This
> topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I doubt you’ve
> read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>
>>> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
>>> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
>>> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
>>> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
>>> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
>>> abuse of the judicial system.
>>
>> So, we have the confession of conspiracy and you claim it was NOT a
>> conspiracy?
>
> I don’t believe Jowers for reasons previously stated; he also declined
> to make his most damming claims under oath, as spelled out in the DoJ
> report which I doubt you’ve read. Why would someone sue for $100? Why
then, right?
> would a prominent NYC lawyer spend over 3 weeks in Memphis, not to mention
> his prep. time, for his cut of such an award? Why would a defendant hire a
> lawyer to defend him in such a case? Pepper wanted a soap box with the
> legitimacy a court case would provide, Jowers and his lawyer wanted a
> quick buck. It was a show trial, both sides took essentially the same
document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
any lawyer take a case for one buck?
> position; there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
>>
>>> As noted in my paper:
>>
>>> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
>>> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
>>> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
>>> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
>>> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
>>> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>>
>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>>
>>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>>
>>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
>>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
>>>>> involved in some robberies
>>
>>>> Nice dodge.
>>
>>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
>>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
>>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
>>
>> Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender.
>>
>
> The evidence is circumstantial; the robbery occurred in his hometown a
> couple of months after he escaped, he started spending heavily the day
> after it. He and his brother had used a similar MO in other robberies.
> Most of the money taken was $20 bills, many of Ray’s purchases were made
> with large numbers of 20s. In any case a) he was a habitual criminal if he
used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a
whore house? Got to be careful of that.
Were they all sequential serial numbers?
> wasn’t one of the Alton robbers he could have committed other crimes, b)
> I don’t doubt he might have been funded by some Klan types it’s not
> like he spent exorbitant amounts of money. What makes you think local
> reporter Dan Brannan was “a WC defender”?
>
> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>
cover it up and move on.
Len Colby
May 2, 2012, 5:12:03 PM5/2/12
to
On May 2, 9:25 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> >> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>
> > There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> > to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> > other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> > didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> > then we are in general agreement.
>
> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
Perhaps half, perhaps expenses plus a stipend, who knows?
> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> >> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>
> > There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> > to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> > other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> > didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> > then we are in general agreement.
>
> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> >>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> >>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> >>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> >>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> >>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> >>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> >>> Holloman among others.
>
> >> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> >> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> >> not the CIA, not the FBI.
>
> > Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> > “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> > United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
>
> They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you
> mentioning them by name.
them in their writings and comments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> > and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> > was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> > someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> > come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> > abuse of the judicial system.
>
> >http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
>
> > As noted in my paper:
>
> > “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> > that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> > story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> > tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> > described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> > scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>
> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
> Sounds fishy to me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
> >>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> >>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>> involved in some robberies
>
> >> Nice dodge.
>
> > How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> > scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> > robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> > gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> > robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> > Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> > funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>
> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
brothel?
My paper was about Ray's obviously false gas station alibi, especially
the witnesses descriptions of the 2 Mustangs, I'm not really
interested in debating other points here.
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/dealey-12639-bank-came.html
> >http://www.american-buddha.com/martin.orderskill.12.htm
Len Colby
May 2, 2012, 5:43:29 PM5/2/12
to
On May 2, 9:25 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> >> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>
> > There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> > to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> > other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> > didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> > then we are in general agreement.
>
> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> >> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>
> > There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> > to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> > other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> > didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> > then we are in general agreement.
>
> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
Perhaps half, perhaps expenses plus a stipend, who knows?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> >>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> >>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> >>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> >>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> >>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> >>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> >>> Holloman among others.
>
> >> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> >> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> >> not the CIA, not the FBI.
>
> > Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> > “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> > United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
>
> They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you
> mentioning them by name.
> >>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> >>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> >>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> >>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> >>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> >>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> >>> Holloman among others.
>
> >> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> >> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> >> not the CIA, not the FBI.
>
> > Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> > “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> > United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
>
> They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you
> mentioning them by name.
We are going in circles, they -Pepper and the Kings - repeatedly cited
them in their writings and comments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
them in their writings and comments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> > and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> > was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> > someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> > come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> > abuse of the judicial system.
>
> >http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
>
> > As noted in my paper:
>
> > “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> > that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> > story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> > tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> > described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> > scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>
> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
> Sounds fishy to me.
> > and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> > was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> > someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> > come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> > abuse of the judicial system.
>
> >http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
>
> > As noted in my paper:
>
> > “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> > that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> > story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> > tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> > described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> > scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>
> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
> Sounds fishy to me.
Mullah it seems, do you believe James Files?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
> >>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> >>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>> involved in some robberies
>
> >> Nice dodge.
>
> > How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> > scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> > robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> > gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> > robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> > Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> > funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>
> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
>
> >>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> >>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>> involved in some robberies
>
> >> Nice dodge.
>
> > How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> > scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> > robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> > gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> > robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> > Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> > funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>
> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
brothel?
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/dealey-12639-bank-came.html
brothel?
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.american-buddha.com/martin.orderskill.12.htm
Len Colby
May 2, 2012, 10:35:42 PM5/2/12
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On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> that fun?
> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> guesses.
All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> that fun?
> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> guesses.
the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
yourself to admit you were wrong.
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cia+site:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.american-buddha.com%2Fmartin.orderskill&oq=cia+site:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.american-buddha.com%2Fmartin.orderskill&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.12...3724.3724.0.6332.1.1.0.0.0.0.281.281.2-1.1.0...0.0.zMBr3BovAP0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=60e4e617f1d73d70&biw=911&bih=389
> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
> then, right?
events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
the DoJ report it is not very long.
> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
obviously filed for ulterior motives.
> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
tried, read the DoJ report
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
> > there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>
> Counter evidence of what?
> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s and then I
> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a
> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in your small
hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from prison and the
day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the spending
was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the MO was
similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the general
description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be reasonable to
suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for his $2000
Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
> Which person did I call a WC defender?
wrote “Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender” after
I cited his article – I had not figured out that you had not read the
article.
> > This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
> > doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>
> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
> cover it up and move on.
also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
with you.
Anthony Marsh
May 3, 2012, 10:34:17 AM5/3/12
to
On 5/2/2012 10:35 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>>
>> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
>> that fun?
>> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
>> guesses.
>
> All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit
> On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>>
>> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
>> that fun?
>> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
>> guesses.
>
> All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
suicide.
Nothing about them killing him.
> that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
> of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
> with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
> yourself to admit you were wrong.
>
> https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cia+site:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.american-buddha.com%2Fmartin.orderskill&oq=cia+site:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.american-buddha.com%2Fmartin.orderskill&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.12...3724.3724.0.6332.1.1.0.0.0.0.281.281.2-1.1.0...0.0.zMBr3BovAP0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=60e4e617f1d73d70&biw=911&bih=389
>
>
>> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
>> then, right?
>
> I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
> events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
> problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
> the DoJ report it is not very long.
>
>> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
>
> A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
> obviously filed for ulterior motives.
>
guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from
OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a
point.
>> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
>> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
>> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
>
>
> I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
> tried, read the DoJ report
>
ludicrous claims.
> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
>>> there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>>
>> Counter evidence of what?
>
> To counter Pepper’s theories obviously.
>
Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal attacks.
>> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s and then I
>> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a
>> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
>> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
>
> Actually a bank, for your analogy to fit you would have to be a long
> time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in your small
as proof that he just robbed a whore house?
James Earl Ray was a long time petty criminal. So you can imagine any
crime in the world and claim he did it with absolutely no proof.
> hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from prison and the
> day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the spending
> was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the MO was
> similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the general
support your biases.
> description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be reasonable to
> suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for his $2000
> Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
>
>> Which person did I call a WC defender?
>
> You didn’t make that clear, I assume you meant the reporter since you
> wrote “Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender” after
> I cited his article – I had not figured out that you had not read the
> article.
>
>>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
>>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>>
>> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
>> cover it up and move on.
>
> No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
> also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
>
> I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
> read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
> tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
> points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
> the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
> because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
> the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
> with you.
>
Anthony Marsh
May 3, 2012, 10:34:46 AM5/3/12
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transcript and quoting what he said?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
>>> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
>>> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
>>> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
>>> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
>>> abuse of the judicial system.
>>
>>> http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
>>
>>> As noted in my paper:
>>
>>> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
>>> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
>>> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
>>> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
>>> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
>>> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>>
>> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
>> Sounds fishy to me.
>
> Mullah it seems, do you believe James Files?
I was one of the first to shoot down the James Files story and was
physically threatened for doing so.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>>
>>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>>
>>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
>>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
>>>>> involved in some robberies
>>
>>>> Nice dodge.
>>
>>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
>>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
>>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
>>> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
>>> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
>>> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
>>> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>>
>> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
>
> Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
> brothel?
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/dealey-12639-bank-came.html
>>> http://www.american-buddha.com/martin.orderskill.12.htm
>
Len Colby
May 3, 2012, 4:48:27 PM5/3/12
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On May 3, 10:34 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/2/2012 10:35 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> > On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> >> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> >> that fun?
> >> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> >> guesses.
>
> > All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> > the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> > and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
>
> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit
> suicide.
> Nothing about them killing him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
> > of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
> > with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
> > yourself to admit you were wrong.
>
> >https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cia+site...
> On 5/2/2012 10:35 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> > On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> >> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> >> that fun?
> >> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> >> guesses.
>
> > All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> > the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> > and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
>
> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit
> suicide.
> Nothing about them killing him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
> > of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
> > with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
> > yourself to admit you were wrong.
>
>
> >> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
> >> then, right?
>
> > I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
> > events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
> > problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
> > the DoJ report it is not very long.
>
> >> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
>
> > A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
> > obviously filed for ulterior motives.
>
> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the person
> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from
> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a
> point.
I said I would only reply to points relevant to my paper, but I'll
> >> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
> >> then, right?
>
> > I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
> > events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
> > problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
> > the DoJ report it is not very long.
>
> >> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
>
> > A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
> > obviously filed for ulterior motives.
>
> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the person
> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from
> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a
> point.
make an exception for this since it is related to Jowers. The Simpson
case is not a valid analogy because the Brown and Goldman families
sued for millions, thought they did not get the full award they
received much more than $100 and they created serious financial
problems for OJ. Most importantly they sued OJ Simpson and his lawyers
tried to refute the claim he was the killer.
>
> >> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
> >> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
> >> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
>
> > I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
> > tried, read the DoJ report
>
> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making
> ludicrous claims.
Jowers claims were ludicrous and contradictory, the DoJ cited several
> >> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
> >> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
> >> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
>
> > I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
> > tried, read the DoJ report
>
> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making
> ludicrous claims.
of his associates by name who said he said on several occasions he
hoped to make money off book or movie deals. I have yet to see Pepper
or anyone else refute those claims.
> >http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
> >>> there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>
> >> Counter evidence of what?
>
> > To counter Pepper’s theories obviously.
>
> YOU don't need evidence to counter Pepper's theories.
> Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal attacks.
alibi story but so far you've fled that like a mouse with a hungry
cat behind it
comments
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
> >>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>
> >> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
> >> cover it up and move on.
>
> > No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
> > also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
>
> > I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
> > read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
> > tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
> > points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
> > the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
> > because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
> > the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
> > with you.
>
> I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and mindset.
or logic, I won't hold my breath.
Len Colby
May 3, 2012, 4:52:33 PM5/3/12
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
> >>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> >>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>>>> involved in some robberies
>
> >>>> Nice dodge.
>
> >>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> >>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> >>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> >>> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> >>> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> >>> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> >>> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>
> >> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
>
> > Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
> > brothel?
>
> Any story you tell.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/dealey-12639-bank-came.html
> >>>http://www.american-buddha.com/martin.orderskill.12.htm
Len Colby
May 3, 2012, 7:28:23 PM5/3/12
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On May 3, 10:34 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/2/2012 10:35 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> > On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> >> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> >> that fun?
> >> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> >> guesses.
>
> > All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> > the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> > and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
>
> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit
> suicide.
> Nothing about them killing him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
> > of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
> > with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
> > yourself to admit you were wrong.
>
> >https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cia+site...
> On 5/2/2012 10:35 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> > On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>
> >> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> >> that fun?
> >> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> >> guesses.
>
> > All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> > the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> > and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
>
> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit
> suicide.
> Nothing about them killing him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
> > of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
> > with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
> > yourself to admit you were wrong.
>
>
> >> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
> >> then, right?
>
> > I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
> > events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
> > problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
> > the DoJ report it is not very long.
>
> >> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
>
> > A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
> > obviously filed for ulterior motives.
>
> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the person
> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from
> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a
> point.
> >> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
> >> then, right?
>
> > I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
> > events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
> > problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
> > the DoJ report it is not very long.
>
> >> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
>
> > A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
> > obviously filed for ulterior motives.
>
> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the person
> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from
> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a
> point.
I said I would only reply to points relevant to my paper, but I'll make an
exception for this since it is related to Jowers. The Simpson case is not
a valid analogy because the Brown and Goldman families sued for millions,
thought they did not get the full award they received much more than $100
and they created serious financial problems for OJ. Most importantly they
sued OJ Simpson and his lawyers tried to refute the claim he was the
killer.
>
exception for this since it is related to Jowers. The Simpson case is not
a valid analogy because the Brown and Goldman families sued for millions,
thought they did not get the full award they received much more than $100
and they created serious financial problems for OJ. Most importantly they
sued OJ Simpson and his lawyers tried to refute the claim he was the
killer.
>
> >> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
> >> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
> >> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
>
> > I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
> > tried, read the DoJ report
>
> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making
> ludicrous claims.
> >> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
> >> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
>
> > I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
> > tried, read the DoJ report
>
> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making
> ludicrous claims.
Jowers claims were ludicrous and contradictory, the DoJ cited several of
his associates by name who said he said on several occasions he hoped to
make money off book or movie deals. I have yet to see Pepper or anyone
else refute those claims.
his associates by name who said he said on several occasions he hoped to
make money off book or movie deals. I have yet to see Pepper or anyone
> >http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
> >>> there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>
> >> Counter evidence of what?
>
> > To counter Pepper’s theories obviously.
>
> YOU don't need evidence to counter Pepper's theories.
> Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal attacks.
I have cited evidence, principally relating to Ray's obviously bogus alibi
story but so far you've fled that like a mouse with a hungry cat behind it
story but so far you've fled that like a mouse with a hungry cat behind it
If you don't want to be misunderstood you shouldn't make vague
comments
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
comments
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
> >>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>
> >> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
> >> cover it up and move on.
>
> > No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
> > also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
>
> > I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
> > read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
> > tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
> > points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
> > the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
> > because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
> > the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
> > with you.
>
> I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and mindset.
If you thunk my paper was "propaganda" then point to any errors of
> >>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>
> >> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
> >> cover it up and move on.
>
> > No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
> > also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
>
> > I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
> > read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
> > tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
> > points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
> > the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
> > because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
> > the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
> > with you.
>
> I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and mindset.
Len Colby
May 3, 2012, 7:28:39 PM5/3/12
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So why did Files "confess"? As for Jowers read the report.
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> >>>http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
> >>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> >>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>>>> involved in some robberies
>
> >>>> Nice dodge.
>
> >>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> >>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> >>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> >>> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> >>> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> >>> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> >>> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>
> >> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
>
> > Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
> > brothel?
>
> Any story you tell.
>
> >>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>
> >>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>>>> involved in some robberies
>
> >>>> Nice dodge.
>
> >>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> >>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> >>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> >>> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> >>> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> >>> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> >>> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>
> >> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
>
> > Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
> > brothel?
>
> Any story you tell.
Anthony Marsh
May 4, 2012, 7:48:20 PM5/4/12
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of prison for killing the judge.
Anthony Marsh
May 4, 2012, 7:48:38 PM5/4/12
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movie deals?
>>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>>
>>>>> there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>>
>>>> Counter evidence of what?
>>
>>> To counter Pepper’s theories obviously.
>>
>> YOU don't need evidence to counter Pepper's theories.
>> Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal attacks.
>
> I have cited evidence, principally relating to Ray's obviously bogus alibi
> story but so far you've fled that like a mouse with a hungry cat behind it
>
Len Colby
May 4, 2012, 8:37:01 PM5/4/12
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he, his shyster and his friends didn't try. Did you even bother to
read the DoJ report?
Nice dodge regarding Files, why do you think he "confessed"?
> >>>http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
>
> >>>>> there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>
> >>>> Counter evidence of what?
>
> >>> To counter Pepper’s theories obviously.
>
> >> YOU don't need evidence to counter Pepper's theories.
> >> Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal attacks.
>
> > I have cited evidence, principally relating to Ray's obviously bogus alibi
> > story but so far you've fled that like a mouse with a hungry cat behind it
>
> So far I haven't seen any facts from you, only speculation.
opening post. Here it is again
lies-of-the-truth-movement.blogspot.com/2012/04/mlk-assassination-tale-
of-two-mustangs.html
Len Colby
May 6, 2012, 7:49:15 PM5/6/12
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> >>>>>http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/dealey-12639-bank-came.html
> >>>>>http://www.american-buddha.com/martin.orderskill.12.htm
I had not noticed this before so yes, Files got or expected to get
money for his tale and so did Jowers
Still await your reply on the rest.
Back to the Alton job. I thought Ray claimed he was in Canada at the
time but he told the HSCA he was still in the area. Quincy is 127
miles from Alton, East St. Louis only 30.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=95653&relPageId=97
Len Colby
May 11, 2012, 8:47:39 AM5/11/12
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threads. That really gives the impression you're stumped but can't
bring yourself to admit it.
Len Colby
May 15, 2012, 6:38:22 AM5/15/12
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LenBrazil
May 18, 2012, 9:13:32 PM5/18/12
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tom...@cox.net
May 21, 2012, 10:56:33 PM5/21/12
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READ wILLIAM PEPPER'S "THE 13TH JUROR"
IT WAS A MEMPHIS POLICE CAPTAIN WHO SHOT dR. KING.
THE BOOK CONTAINS THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE KING FAMILY'S CIVIL SUIT AGAINST
LLOYD JOWERS.
LenBrazil <len....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 6:38=A0am, Len Colby <lenbraz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 11, 8:47=A0am, Len Colby <lenbraz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 4, 8:37=A0pm, Len Colby <lenbraz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On May 4, 7:48=A0pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net>
> =A0wrote:
> for your
> > > > > >>>> guesses.
> >
> > > > > >>> All you have to do is look at Pepper=92s books or his
> > > > > >>> comments =
> or more
> > > > > >>> of those agencies, you claimed that they accused =93dumb
> > > > > >>> countr=
> y hick
> > > > > >>> with lots of money=94 which was completely wrong, but you
> > > > > >>> can=
> =92t bring
> > > > > >>>ab=
> &q=3Dcia+site...
> > > > > >>> seem =
> > > > > >>> s=
> ince you
> > > > > >>> wrote =93Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC
> > > > > >>> defende=
> r=94 after
> > > > > >>> I cited his article =96 I had not figured out that you had
> > > > > >>> not =
> > > > > >>> h=
> aven=92t
> ss
> > > > > >>> points relating to Ray=92s claimed alibi and the witness
> > > > > >>> descri=
> ptions of
> > > > > >>> theMustangson Main St. I consider Jower=92s =93confession=94
> > > > > >>> re=
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IT WAS A MEMPHIS POLICE CAPTAIN WHO SHOT dR. KING.
THE BOOK CONTAINS THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE KING FAMILY'S CIVIL SUIT AGAINST
LLOYD JOWERS.
LenBrazil <len....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 6:38=A0am, Len Colby <lenbraz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 11, 8:47=A0am, Len Colby <lenbraz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 4, 8:37=A0pm, Len Colby <lenbraz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On May 4, 7:48=A0pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net>
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On 5/3/2012 7:28 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On May 3, 10:34 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net>
> > > > > > =A0w=
> >
> > > > > On 5/3/2012 7:28 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On May 3, 10:34 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net>
> rote:
> > > > > >> On 5/2/2012 10:35 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>> On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net>
> > > > > >>> =A0=
> > > > > >> On 5/2/2012 10:35 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>> On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net>
> =A0wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA.
> > > > > >>>> See,=
> >
> > > > > >>>> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA.
> wasn't
> > > > > >>>> that fun?
> > > > > >>>> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any
> > > > > >>>> documentation =
> > > > > >>>> that fun?
> > > > > >>>> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any
> for your
> > > > > >>>> guesses.
> >
> > > > > >>> All you have to do is look at Pepper=92s books or his
> > > > > >>> comments =
> during
> > > > > >>> the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the
> > > > > >>> FB=
> > > > > >>> the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the
> I, CIA
> > > > > >>> and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize
> > > > > >>> him =
> > > > > >>> and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize
> and
> >
> > > > > >> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him
> > > > > >> to=
> >
> > > > > >> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him
> commit
> > > > > >> suicide.
> > > > > >> Nothing about them killing him.
> >
> > > > > >>> that various people he believed were involved were tied to
> > > > > >>> one =
> > > > > >> suicide.
> > > > > >> Nothing about them killing him.
> >
> > > > > >>> that various people he believed were involved were tied to
> or more
> > > > > >>> of those agencies, you claimed that they accused =93dumb
> > > > > >>> countr=
> y hick
> > > > > >>> with lots of money=94 which was completely wrong, but you
> > > > > >>> can=
> =92t bring
> > > > > >>> yourself to admit you were wrong.
> >
> > > > > >>>https://www.google.com/#hl=3Den&output=3Dsearch&sclient=3Dpsy-
> >
> > > > > >>>ab=
> &q=3Dcia+site...
> >
> > > > > >>>> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's
> > > > > >>>> in=
> > > > > >>>> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's
> nocent
> > > > > >>>> then, right?
> >
> > > > > >>> I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions
> > > > > >>> of events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath
> > > > > >>> there =
> > > > > >>>> then, right?
> >
> > > > > >>> I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions
> > > > > >>> of events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath
> is the
> > > > > >>> problem of the various inconsistences in his various
> > > > > >>> retellings=
> > > > > >>> problem of the various inconsistences in his various
> . Read
> > > > > >>> the DoJ report it is not very long.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
> >
> > > > > >>> A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic
> > > > > >>> fa=
> > > > > >>> the DoJ report it is not very long.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
> >
> > > > > >>> A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic
> cts is
> > > > > >>> obviously filed for ulterior motives.
> >
> > > > > >> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the
> > > > > >> perso=
> > > > > >>> obviously filed for ulterior motives.
> >
> > > > > >> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the
> n
> > > > > >> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns
> > > > > >> g=
> > > > > >> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns
> et from
> > > > > >> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to
> > > > > >> p=
> > > > > >> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to
> rove a
> > > > > >> point.
> >
> > > > > > I said I would only reply to points relevant to my paper, but
> > > > > > I'l=
> > > > > >> point.
> >
> > > > > > I said I would only reply to points relevant to my paper, but
> l make an
> > > > > > exception for this since it is related to Jowers. The Simpson
> > > > > > cas=
> > > > > > exception for this since it is related to Jowers. The Simpson
> e is not
> > > > > > a valid analogy because the Brown and Goldman families sued for
> > > > > > m=
> > > > > > a valid analogy because the Brown and Goldman families sued for
> illions,
> > > > > > thought they did not get the full award they received much more
> > > > > > t=
> > > > > > thought they did not get the full award they received much more
> han $100
> > > > > > and they created serious financial problems for OJ. Most
> > > > > > importan=
> > > > > > and they created serious financial problems for OJ. Most
> tly they
> > > > > > sued OJ Simpson and his lawyers tried to refute the claim he
> > > > > > was =
> > > > > > sued OJ Simpson and his lawyers tried to refute the claim he
> the
> > > > > > killer.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick
> > > > > >>>> buck.=
> > > > > > killer.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick
> And
> > > > > >>>> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make?
> > > > > >>>> Wh=
> > > > > >>>> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make?
> y would
> > > > > >>>> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
> >
> > > > > >>> I don=92t know if they made much money but they certainly
> > > > > >>>> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
> >
> > > > > >>> seem =
> to have
> > > > > >>> tried, read the DoJ report
> >
> > > > > >> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you
> > > > > >> from =
> > > > > >>> tried, read the DoJ report
> >
> > > > > >> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you
> making
> > > > > >> ludicrous claims.
> >
> > > > > > Jowers claims were ludicrous and contradictory, the DoJ cited
> > > > > > sev=
> > > > > >> ludicrous claims.
> >
> > > > > > Jowers claims were ludicrous and contradictory, the DoJ cited
> eral of
> > > > > > his associates by name who said he said on several occasions he
> > > > > > h=
> > > > > > his associates by name who said he said on several occasions he
> oped to
> > > > > > make money off book or movie deals. I have yet to see Pepper or
> > > > > > a=
> > > > > > make money off book or movie deals. I have yet to see Pepper or
> nyone
> > > > > > else refute those claims.
> >
> > > > > That's wonderful. Exactly how much money did Jowers make off book
> > > > > o=
> > > > > > else refute those claims.
> >
> > > > > That's wonderful. Exactly how much money did Jowers make off book
> r
> > > > > movie deals?
> >
> > > > I have no idea it doesn't seem like he made much, that's not to say
> > > > he, his shyster and his friends =A0didn't try. Did you even bother
> > > > > movie deals?
> >
> > > > I have no idea it doesn't seem like he made much, that's not to say
> > > > to read the DoJ report?
> >
> > > > Nice dodge regarding Files, why do you think he "confessed"?
> >
> > > > > >>>http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
> >
> > > > > >>>>> there was no one to provide counter evidence.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Counter evidence of what?
> >
> > > > > >>> To counter Pepper=92s theories obviously.
> >
> > > > Nice dodge regarding Files, why do you think he "confessed"?
> >
> > > > > >>>http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part3.php
> >
> > > > > >>>>> there was no one to provide counter evidence.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Counter evidence of what?
> >
> >
> > > > > >> YOU don't need evidence to counter Pepper's theories.
> > > > > >> Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal
> > > > > >> attacks.
> >
> > > > > > I have cited evidence, principally relating to Ray's obviously
> > > > > > bo=
> > > > > >> YOU don't need evidence to counter Pepper's theories.
> > > > > >> Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal
> > > > > >> attacks.
> >
> > > > > > I have cited evidence, principally relating to Ray's obviously
> gus alibi
> > > > > > story but so far you've fled that like a mouse with a hungry
> > > > > > cat =
> > > > > > story but so far you've fled that like a mouse with a hungry
> behind it
> >
> > > > > So far I haven't seen any facts from you, only speculation.
> >
> > > > That's because you haven't read my paper, I provided a link in the
> > > > opening post. Here it is again
> >
> > > > lies-of-the-truth-movement.blogspot.com/2012/04/mlk-assassination-t
> > > > al=
> >
> > > > > So far I haven't seen any facts from you, only speculation.
> >
> > > > That's because you haven't read my paper, I provided a link in the
> > > > opening post. Here it is again
> >
> > > > lies-of-the-truth-movement.blogspot.com/2012/04/mlk-assassination-t
> e-
> > > > of-two-mustangs.html
> >
> > > > > >>>> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s
> > > > > >>>> a=
> > > > of-two-mustangs.html
> >
> > > > > >>>> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s
> nd then I
> > > > > >>>> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I
> > > > > >>>> ro=
> > > > > >>>> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I
> bbed a
> > > > > >>>> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
> > > > > >>>> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
> >
> > > > > >>> Actually a bank, for your analogy to fit you would have to be
> > > > > >>> a=
> > > > > >>>> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
> > > > > >>>> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
> >
> > > > > >>> Actually a bank, for your analogy to fit you would have to be
> long
> > > > > >>> time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in
> > > > > >>> you=
> > > > > >>> time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in
> r small
> >
> > > > > >> OK, so if a long time criminal has money in his pocket that
> > > > > >> can =
> >
> > > > > >> OK, so if a long time criminal has money in his pocket that
> be used
> > > > > >> as proof that he just robbed a whore house?
> > > > > >> James Earl Ray was a long time petty criminal. So you can
> > > > > >> imagin=
> > > > > >> as proof that he just robbed a whore house?
> > > > > >> James Earl Ray was a long time petty criminal. So you can
> e any
> > > > > >> crime in the world and claim he did it with absolutely no
> > > > > >> proof.
> >
> > > > > >>> hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from
> > > > > >>> prison =
> > > > > >> crime in the world and claim he did it with absolutely no
> > > > > >> proof.
> >
> > > > > >>> hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from
> and the
> > > > > >>> day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the
> > > > > >>> spe=
> > > > > >>> day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the
> nding
> > > > > >>> was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the
> > > > > >>> MO =
> > > > > >>> was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the
> was
> > > > > >>> similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the
> > > > > >>> general
> >
> > > > > >> You have an overactive imagination and carefully craft your
> > > > > >> scen=
> > > > > >>> similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the
> > > > > >>> general
> >
> > > > > >> You have an overactive imagination and carefully craft your
> ario to
> > > > > >> support your biases.
> >
> > > > > >>> description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be
> > > > > >>> reasona=
> > > > > >> support your biases.
> >
> > > > > >>> description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be
> ble to
> > > > > >>> suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for
> > > > > >>> hi=
> > > > > >>> suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for
> s $2000
> > > > > >>> Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Which person did I call a WC defender?
> >
> > > > > >>> You didn=92t make that clear, I assume you meant the reporter
> > > > > >>> Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Which person did I call a WC defender?
> >
> > > > > >>> s=
> ince you
> > > > > >>> wrote =93Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC
> > > > > >>> defende=
> r=94 after
> > > > > >>> I cited his article =96 I had not figured out that you had
> > > > > >>> not =
> read the
> > > > > >>> article.
> >
> > > > > >> You can assume anything you want. But don't put words in my
> > > > > >> mout=
> > > > > >>> article.
> >
> > > > > >> You can assume anything you want. But don't put words in my
> h.
> >
> > > > > > If you don't want to be misunderstood you shouldn't make vague
> > > > > > comments
> >
> > > > > >>>>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper,
> > > > > >>>>> whic=
> >
> > > > > > If you don't want to be misunderstood you shouldn't make vague
> > > > > > comments
> >
> > > > > >>>>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper,
> h I also
> > > > > >>>>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
> >
> > > > > >>>> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further.
> > > > > >>>> Jus=
> > > > > >>>>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
> >
> > > > > >>>> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further.
> t try to
> > > > > >>>> cover it up and move on.
> >
> > > > > >>> No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper,
> > > > > >>> wh=
> > > > > >>>> cover it up and move on.
> >
> > > > > >>> No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper,
> ich I
> > > > > >>> also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
> >
> > > > > >>> I=92m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously
> > > > > >>> also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
> >
> > > > > >>> h=
> aven=92t
> > > > > >>> read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to
> > > > > >>> your tangential questions. From this point forward I will
> > > > > >>> only addre=
> > > > > >>> your tangential questions. From this point forward I will
> ss
> > > > > >>> points relating to Ray=92s claimed alibi and the witness
> > > > > >>> descri=
> ptions of
> > > > > >>> theMustangson Main St. I consider Jower=92s =93confession=94
> > > > > >>> re=
> levant
> > > > > >>> because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you
> > > > > >>> can =
> > > > > >>> because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you
> rebut
> > > > > >>> the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in
> > > > > >>> discussin=
> > > > > >>> the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in
> g it
> > > > > >>> with you.
> >
> > > > > >> I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and
> > > > > >> mindset.
> >
> > > > > > If you thunk my paper was "propaganda" then point to any errors
> > > > > > o=
> > > > > >>> with you.
> >
> > > > > >> I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and
> > > > > >> mindset.
> >
> > > > > > If you thunk my paper was "propaganda" then point to any errors
> f
> > > > > > fact or logic, I won't hold my breath.
> >
> > > Gee Tony a week without a reply even though you've posted on other
> > > threads. That really gives the impression you're stumped but can't
> > > bring yourself to admit it.
> >
> > Bumped for Tony
>
> Bumped for Tony
--
> > > > > > fact or logic, I won't hold my breath.
> >
> > > Gee Tony a week without a reply even though you've posted on other
> > > threads. That really gives the impression you're stumped but can't
> > > bring yourself to admit it.
> >
> > Bumped for Tony
>
> Bumped for Tony
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On May 21, 10:56 pm, tom...@cox.net wrote:
> READ wILLIAM PEPPER'S "THE 13TH JUROR"
>
> IT WAS A MEMPHIS POLICE CAPTAIN WHO SHOT dR. KING.
>
> THE BOOK CONTAINS THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE KING FAMILY'S CIVIL SUIT AGAINST
> LLOYD JOWERS.
>
> READ wILLIAM PEPPER'S "THE 13TH JUROR"
>
> IT WAS A MEMPHIS POLICE CAPTAIN WHO SHOT dR. KING.
>
> THE BOOK CONTAINS THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE KING FAMILY'S CIVIL SUIT AGAINST
> LLOYD JOWERS.
>
the same theory. Ray claimed he was at a gas station at the time of
the murder but never identified which station he was supposedly at,
nor did any witnesses see him at any gas stations. As I spelled out in
my paper it was pretty clearly Ray's car that the man who ran from his
room and dumped his rifle drove off in. Ray's versions of events
repeatedly changed.
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