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WAS FRAZIER SAYING THAT THE RIFLE WASN'T FIRED ?

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Gil Jesus

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Sep 29, 2008, 7:30:53 AM9/29/08
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Robert Frazier testifies that he observed that the inside of the
barrel of the Oswald rifle was "roughened" from corrosion, then
comments that "if a barrel is allowed to rust, one round will remove
that rust."

So why did the barrel have surface rust after Oswald had fired THREE
rounds ?

WAS FRAZIER SAYING THAT THE RIFLE WASN'T FIRED ?

Mr. McCLOY. When you examined the rifle the first time, you said that
it showed signs of some corrosion and wear?

Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.

Mr. McCLOY. Was it what you would call pitted, were the lands in good
shape?

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners
were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from
corrosion or wear.

Mr. McCLOY. Could you say roughly how many rounds you think had been
fired since it left the factory, with the condition of the barrel as
you found it?

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; I could not, because the number of rounds is not
an indication of the condition of the barrel, since IF A BARREL IS
ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE THAT RUST and wear the barrel
to the same extent as 10 or 15 or 50 rounds just fired through a clean
barrel.

( 3 H 395 )

muc...@gmail.com

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Sep 29, 2008, 8:49:52 AM9/29/08
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On 29 Sep., 13:30, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> Robert Frazier testifies that he observed that the inside of the
> barrel of the Oswald rifle was "roughened" from corrosion, then
> comments that "if a barrel is allowed to rust, one round will remove
> that rust."
>
> So why did the barrel have surface rust after Oswald had fired THREE
> rounds ?

Bizarre. Can you quote Frazier saying that the barrel had surface rust
when he examined the weapon?

> WAS FRAZIER SAYING THAT THE RIFLE WASN'T FIRED ?

Only an idiot would make such an inference.

Gil Jesus

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Sep 29, 2008, 9:20:52 AM9/29/08
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Would you describe a surface with rust as a surface "roughened" from
corrosion ?

justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 29, 2008, 9:50:09 AM9/29/08
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You neglected to show this comment from page 394...

Mr. Eisenberg.
Does this weapon show--how much use does this weapon show?
Mr. Frazier.
The stock is worn, scratched. The bolt is relatively smooth, as if it
had been operated several times. I cannot actually say how much use
the weapon has. had. The barrel is--was not, when we first got it, in
excellent condition. It was, I would say, in fair condition. In other
words, it showed the effects of wear and corrosion.
Mr. Eisenberg.
Is this weapon--
The Chairman.
I didn't get that last.
Mr. Frazier.
It showed the effects of wear and corrosion.
Mr. Eisenberg.
So that it is impossible to attribute any given amount of wear to the
last user?
Mr. Frazier.
Yes, sir; it is impossible.


Again your misleading questions was Frazier trying to say the weapon
wasn't fired. The rifle was in fair condition, if Frazier was assuming
the rifle could not have been fired he would have said so. Do you ever
stop putting words in peoples mouths that suit your agenda Gilly
Girl?

Gil Jesus

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Sep 29, 2008, 10:05:54 AM9/29/08
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On Sep 29, 9:50�am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Girl?- Hide quoted text -
>

Joey you ignorant slut:

No one said that Frazier could tell how much wear was on the rifle.


Frazier said the rifle showed signs of corrosion.

Frazier said that the inside of the barrel was "roughened" by
corrosion.

Give us the one-word name for "roughened" corrosion on metal.

Then Frazier said:

IF A BARREL IS ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE THAT RUST

so answer the question Joey:

How does "roughened" corrosion ( what normal people refer to as rust )
remain inside the barrel after Oswald had fired THREE shots ?

justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 29, 2008, 10:49:55 AM9/29/08
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> remain inside the barrel after Oswald had fired THREE shots ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ignorant slut???? Again showing that hypocritical Christian
personalty. You're nothing more then a lying bigoted bean picking
Mexican who is a fucking loser.

You can't stand the fact that anyone defies your line of bullshit.
Frazier said the rifle was in fair condition, you prove that one
bullet is going to remover every single trace of rust when fired. You
are taking Fraziers comment to mean there would not be a drop of rust
left. His comment that the rifle was in fair condition shows that the
corrosion was not extensive enough to say the rifle had not been fired
or couldn't be fired. After Frazier fired the rifle to test it, has he
stated anywhere that there was absolutely no rust left in the barrel?
Show us Duf-ASS.....if you can't then go back to picking beans for
Taco Bell.

Gil Jesus

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Sep 29, 2008, 10:52:47 AM9/29/08
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On Sep 29, 10:49�am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
> Taco Bell.- Hide quoted text -

Gil Jesus

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On Sep 29, 10:49�am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> You're nothing more then a lying bigoted bean picking Mexican who is a fucking loser.

OH MY WHAT A GARBAGE MOUTH.....

ROFLMAO......JOEY JOEY JOEY......WHY DO YOU DO ME LIKE YOU DO DO
DO...?

GEESH WHAT A BITCH.......

> you prove that one bullet is going to remover every single trace of rust when fired. You
> are taking Fraziers comment to mean there would not be a drop of rust left.

I'm not taking anything, Joey, I'm posting testimony.

Mr. FRAZIER. IF A BARREL IS ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE
THAT RUST

( 3 H 395 )


> has he stated anywhere that there was absolutely no rust left in the barrel?


Mr. FRAZIER. IF A BARREL IS ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE
THAT RUST

( 3 H 395 )


So will you NOW answer the question, or are you going to continue to
try to change the subject so you don't have to....

justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 29, 2008, 11:32:58 AM9/29/08
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Again, if Frazier was going to say the rifle wasn't fired he would
have said it. You're misleading and implying thats what he meant with
NO proof. If you consider that after ONE bullet ALL of the rust should
disappear, because of what Frazier says then I think your full of crap
and need to show documentation that states for a fact that ALL rust
will be gone after a bullet is fired on any type of weapon.

THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Gil Jesus

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Sep 29, 2008, 11:40:54 AM9/29/08
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On Sep 29, 11:32�am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>. If you consider that after ONE bullet ALL of the rust should
> disappear, because of what Frazier says then I think your full of crap
> and need to show documentation that states for a fact that ALL rust
> will be gone after a bullet is fired on any type of weapon.

Looks like JOEY is in denial again, folks......I keep posting the
"documentation" from the FBI's EXPERT witness, but JOEY just can't
accept it.....


Mr. FRAZIER. IF A BARREL IS ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE
THAT RUST

( 3 H 395 )

Mr. FRAZIER. IF A BARREL IS ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE
THAT RUST

( 3 H 395 )


Mr. FRAZIER. IF A BARREL IS ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE
THAT RUST

( 3 H 395 )


Mr. FRAZIER. IF A BARREL IS ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE
THAT RUST

( 3 H 395 )


Joey says,.... LALALA.....I CAN'T HEAR YOU..... LALALA.....I CAN'T SEE
YOU

Walt

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Sep 29, 2008, 11:52:48 AM9/29/08
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Frazier would have told the truth and incurred Hoover's wrath??? Are
you drunk??
He wouldn't have come right out and said in plain english .... " The
rifle had not been fired in a long time because the bore was dirty and
rusty" But he DID say that in his testimony as Gill is pointing
out. If you were such a stuip bitch you'd be able to comprehend what
Frazier said.

You're misleading and implying thats what he meant with
> NO proof. If you consider that after ONE bullet ALL of the rust should
> disappear, because of what Frazier says then I think your full of crap
> and need to show documentation that states for a fact that ALL rust
> will be gone after a bullet is fired on any type of weapon.
>

> THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO NO NO NO NO NO NO- Hide quoted text -

muc...@gmail.com

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Sep 29, 2008, 12:05:23 PM9/29/08
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On 29 Sep., 15:20, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> Would you describe a surface with rust as a surface "roughened" from
> corrosion ?

Probably not. Your point?

Gil Jesus

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Sep 29, 2008, 12:19:17 PM9/29/08
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YOYO:

justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 29, 2008, 12:30:06 PM9/29/08
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On Sep 29, 12:05 pm, much...@gmail.com wrote:

Well we have the two fantasy freaks supporting each other again Mark.
(Cakebread and Duf-ASS) Tell me genius, Detective Duf-ASS, did Oswald
use corrosive ammo? This ammo causes pitting and rusting and is why
the rifle needs to be cleaned immediately after using it. Part of the
residue Frazier found could have been from this ammo.

And for you Cakebread stupid Bastard, Frazier not saying the rifle
hadn't been fired because of Hoover is your fanatical opinion and not
a fact. So keep your slimey mouth shut when it comes to your ideas of
what you think happened as opposed to real facts.

aaronhi...@yahoo.com

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Sep 29, 2008, 1:13:18 PM9/29/08
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I cannot remember how many references say that there was no proof that
the rifle was fired that day.

Which rifle? The one that was seen in the hands of the detective
outside near the TSBD? Which, I assume, was the same one the Dallas
PD officer was holding over his head in that other photo? Or the one
in the photo in the WC documents? Is the rifle in the last photo the
same one as in the other two photos?

If the rifle showed signs of wear and rust, that means that some
Italian soldier fired in during WWII, and then it wasn't used again.
Or the last time it was fired was long before 11/22/63. How could it
be rusty if it was just fired by LHO at the rifle range, according to
witnesses? Oops, the WC said that those witnesses were mistaken. LHO
was in Mexico City when he was supposedly firing that rusty rifle at
that rifle range. So who was firing that DIFFERENT RIFLE at the rifle
range? Different rifle, same caliber and model, though.

I don't understand why there are people who think that LHO is guilty.
What with all this conflicting evidence.

Aaron Hirshberg

Sam McClung

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Sep 29, 2008, 1:49:15 PM9/29/08
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<aaronhi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<snippage>

> I don't understand why there are people who think that LHO is guilty.
> What with all this conflicting evidence.
>
> Aaron Hirshberg

Don't forget to factor in those who say LHO was guilty, while knowing he
wasn't; the champions of those still clinging to the official story for
their lives and retirement pensions, all some of the lowest life forms on
earth.

How muchg does a conspirator collect as a former president?

How much money do the conspirators spend on controlling the spin on the JFK
assassination?

Add in the expenditures of Time, Life, and Reader's Digets to start, all 3
being Skull And Bones publications, i.e. $50,000 for the Zapruder film plus
all the deception since.

Add in the amount the U.S. taxpayer pays to house and store all the
information, evidence, and false evidence created, plus monies paid
government "officials" (sic) on the U.S. government payroll who continue to
lie and deceive.


robcap...@netscape.com

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Sep 29, 2008, 2:00:02 PM9/29/08
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The other point to consider here is this "rifle" was part of a large
shipment that had been worked on and restored to perfect firing
capability. True this weapon allegedly sat in impound for 28 months,
but could Klein's sell a rifle with a rusty barrel?

If not, and I would assume they wouldn't be allowed to, how did it get
so rusty in just 8 months? How did the scope get so loose? How did
the firing pin get so rusty? I mean the WC claimed he was practicing
with it all the time (of course they couldn't prove this claim).

Perhaps the total lack of any gun cleaning equipment being found with
LHO's possessions had an effect? Maybe, but this seems like a lot of
degradation ofr just 8 months, wouldn't you agree? If not, how do you
explain the total collaspe of the rifle in 8 months when it had been
rennovated by Riva's workshop before being sent to the U.S.?

Sam McClung

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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Would you describe a surface with rust as a surface "roughened" from
> corrosion ?


on the condition of the rifle

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/fa9c6399715c9b3e/367767bb4c148ff8?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#367767bb4c148ff8
<begin quote>
Finally, according to experts at Edgewood Arsenal, the rifle was unfit
to fire, and had to be reworked by a gunsmith who noted the entire
action was severly worn and rusted out and had to be reworked as well as the
replacement of the firing pin which was also worn out. The barrel was
dirty and pitted and the scope had to be shimmed in order to properly sight
it
in.
[Note:] this last info was provided me personally by the son of the
gunsmith that was called in by Edgewood to rework the rife prior to any
testing.
He at this time wishes to remain anonomous until the passing of his father
as
per his father's request, but promised that he would ultimately come forward
publically with all of the info regarding exactly what was done to that
rifle and
by whom.
<end quote>


the author, john ritchson (deceased), cannot follow up with the son of the
gunsmith called in by edgewood, perhaps someone else can

in a phone call with me shortly before his death john shared that he
believed he had been intentionally run off the road by a "black suv" and
left for dead


Gil Jesus

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Walt, not only was there rust on the inside of the barrel, rust that
should not have been there if the rifle had been fired ONCE ( never
mind THREE times ), one suspects that the bolt was also rusted:

Mr. EISENBERG. Did they make any comments concerning the weapon?

Mr. SIMMONS. Yes; there were several comments made particularly with
respect to the amount of effort required to open the bolt. As a matter
of fact, Mr. Staley had, difficulty in opening the bolt in his first
firing exercise. He thought it was completely up and it was not, and
he had to retrace his steps as he attempted to open the bolt after the
first round.

( 3 H 447 )


Then we look at the obvious way of "getting the rust out", by
operating the bolt in a "dry run ".

Mr. SIMMONS. .....the pressure to open the bolt was so great that we
tended to move the rifle off the target, whereas with greater
proficiency this might not have occurred.

Mr. EISENBERG. Could this experience in operating the bolt be achieved
in dry practice, Mr. Simmons?

Mr. SIMMONS. Yes; it could be, if sufficient practice were used. There
is some indication of the magnitude of change with one of our shooters
who in his second attempt fired three-tenths of a second less time
than he did in the first.


Of course, the more you use the bolt, the freer from rust it becomes.


Then there was rust on the firing pin and it's spring:

".....the firing pin of this rifle has been used extensively as shown
by wear on the nose or striking portion of the firing pin and,
further, THE PRESENCE OF RUST ON THE FIRING PIN AND ITS
SPRING....." ( CE 2974 )


Of course one could argue that the rust appeared on the rifle AFTER
the assassination, but Frazier testified that he examined it on the
day after Kennedy was murdered, not enough time for rust to have
settled in and "roughened" the surface of the barrel:

Mr. McCLOY. How soon after the assassination did you examine this
rifle?

Mr. FRAZIER. We received the rifle the following morning.

Mr. McCLOY. Received it in Washington?

Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.

Mr. McCLOY. And you immediately made your examination of it then?

Mr. FRAZIER. We made an examination of it at that time, and kept it
temporarily in the laboratory.

( 3 H 395 )

The condition of the weapon was so bad and a visual examination of the
barrel was so convincing that it had NOT been fired, that Frazier
never even bothered to examine it for fouling in the barrel:

Mr. McCLOY. Was there metal fouling in the barrel?

Mr. FRAZIER. I did not examine it for that.

( ibid.)

tomnln

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Sep 29, 2008, 4:02:35 PM9/29/08
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GREAT CATCH GIL! ! ! !


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tomnln

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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tomnln

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Gil;

You may have to explain to justme what "( 3 H 395 )" MEANS.

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Sam Brown

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> GREAT CATCH GIL! ! ! !

Funny I always had him down as a pitcher.

Bud

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On Sep 29, 1:49 pm, "Sam McClung" <mccl...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> <aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:7cd6f9e3-db71-4dc0...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> <snippage>
>
> > I don't understand why there are people who think that LHO is guilty.
> > What with all this conflicting evidence.
>
> > Aaron Hirshberg
>
> Don't forget to factor in those who say LHO was guilty, while knowing he
> wasn't; the champions of those still clinging to the official story for
> their lives and retirement pensions, all some of the lowest life forms on
> earth.

Now, Sam, remember that Eleanor Roosevelt said "small mind discuss
people".

> How muchg does a conspirator collect as a former president?

How much does bigfoot weigh?

> How much money do the conspirators spend on controlling the spin on the JFK
> assassination?

If they existed, what harm could the babblings of idiots do to them?
Kooks like to pretend there is some massive effort in effect to thwart
them. That is the excuse they use for making no progress exposing this
conspiracy.

> Add in the expenditures of Time, Life, and Reader's Digets to start, all 3
> being Skull And Bones publications, i.e. $50,000 for the Zapruder film plus
> all the deception since.
>
> Add in the amount the U.S. taxpayer pays to house and store all the
> information, evidence, and false evidence created, plus monies paid
> government "officials" (sic) on the U.S. government payroll who continue to
> lie and deceive.

Hey, it`s Illuminutty money anyway, it`s got all their symbols on
it.

Bud

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Quote Frazier saying there was rust in the barrel, idiot.

Bud

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On Sep 29, 8:49 am, much...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 29 Sep., 13:30, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Robert Frazier testifies that he observed that the inside of the
> > barrel of the Oswald rifle was "roughened" from corrosion, then
> > comments that "if a barrel is allowed to rust, one round will remove
> > that rust."
>
> > So why did the barrel have surface rust after Oswald had fired THREE
> > rounds ?
>
> Bizarre. Can you quote Frazier saying that the barrel had surface rust
> when he examined the weapon?
>
> > WAS FRAZIER SAYING THAT THE RIFLE WASN'T FIRED ?
>
> Only an idiot would make such an inference.

Yes, he did.

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Gil Jesus

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On Sep 29, 6:21 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:


> Quote Frazier saying there was rust in the barrel, idiot.

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners
were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from
corrosion or wear.

( 3 H 395 )

Give us the word for a metal surface "roughened from corrosion"

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners
were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from
corrosion or wear.

( 3 H 395 )

Give us the word for a metal surface "roughened from corrosion"

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners
were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from
corrosion or wear.

( 3 H 395 )

Give us the word for a metal surface "roughened from corrosion"

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners
were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from
corrosion or wear.

( 3 H 395 )

Give us the word for a metal surface "roughened from corrosion"

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners
were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from
corrosion or wear.

( 3 H 395 )

Give us the word for a metal surface "roughened from corrosion"


DIPSHIT

Bud

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Pitted.

> DIPSHIT

So, you admit that you can`t produce Frazier saying there was rust
is the barrel, correct? Wouldn`t previous rustings leave signs of
corrosion, even after the rust has been removed by firing?

But, you could be right, Robert Frazier, a man smart enough to rise
to the head of the FBI`s ballistics department unwittingly gave
testimony that the rifle he said committed the murder hadn`t been
fired. And then, irony of ironies, his faux pas was noted by possibly
the stupidest man in North America, Gil Jesus.

WOULDN`T IT BE COOL IF SUCH A THING WAS POSSIBLE?

Sam Brown

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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dumbarse racist scum sucker Gilbert. Frazier said "roughened from corrosion
OR wear". Did you notice the word "OR"? He is not giving a definitive
answer. Are you retarded Gilbert?

>

Gil Jesus

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On Sep 29, 7:17�pm, "Sam Brown" <samjbrow...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>
> Dumbarse racist scum sucker Gilbert. Frazier said "roughened from corrosion
> OR wear". Did you notice the word "OR"? He is not giving a definitive
> answer. Are you retarded Gilbert?

Rust comes from wear also. Please give us the word that is that
roughened surfaced on metal caused by corrosion.

Hint: it's got 4 letters.

SAM BROWN IS A LESBIAN

aeffects

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On Sep 29, 4:17 pm, "Sam Brown" <samjbrow...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Gil Jesus" <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote in message

oh Sam you got your tit in the wringer again, hon? Again (for the
carpet munchers amongst us) sin doesn't pay perv? Didn't your mother
tell you that?

You be a shuck and jive perv, hon.... Keep coming back perv, we need
your idiocy here!

Tnx hon, btw, you look wonderful in tuna

>

Gil Jesus

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WAS FRAZIER SAYING THAT THE RIFLE WASN'T FIRED ?

FBI firearms expert Robert Frazier testified that he observed that the


inside of the barrel of the Oswald rifle was "roughened" from

corrosion ( rust ), then commented that "if a barrel is allowed to


rust, one round will remove that rust."

So why did the barrel have surface rust after Oswald had fired THREE
rounds ?

THE RUSTED BARREL

Mr. McCLOY. When you examined the rifle the first time, you said that
it showed signs of some corrosion and wear?

Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.

Mr. McCLOY. Was it what you would call pitted, were the lands in good
shape?

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners


were worn, and the
interior of the surface was roughened from corrosion or wear.

Mr. McCLOY. Could you say roughly how many rounds you think had been


fired since it left the factory, with the condition of the barrel as
you found it?

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; I could not, because the number of rounds is not
an indication of the condition of the barrel, since IF A BARREL IS
ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE THAT RUST and wear the barrel
to the same extent as 10 or 15 or 50 rounds just fired through a clean
barrel.

( 3 H 395 )

The visual examination of the barrel was so convincing that the rifle


had NOT been fired, that Frazier never even bothered to examine it for
fouling in the barrel:

Mr. McCLOY. Was there metal fouling in the barrel?

Mr. FRAZIER. I did not examine it for that.
( ibid.)


THE RUSTED BOLT

Not only was there rust on the inside of the barrel, rust that should


not have been there if the rifle had been fired ONCE ( never mind

THREE times ), one suspects from the testimony that the bolt was also
rusted:

Mr. EISENBERG. Did they make any comments concerning the weapon?

Mr. SIMMONS. Yes; there were several comments made particularly with
respect to the amount of effort required to open the bolt. As a matter
of fact, Mr. Staley had, difficulty in opening the bolt in his first
firing exercise. He thought it was completely up and it was not, and
he had to retrace his steps as he attempted to open the bolt after the
first round.

( 3 H 447 )

Then we look at the obvious way of "getting the rust out", by

operating the bolt in a "dry run ". They unloaded the weapon and each
shooter "worked" the bolt back and forth for 2-3 minutes BEFORE he
began firing.

Mr. EISENBERG. How much practice had they had with the weapon, Exhibit
139, before they began firing?

Mr. SIMMONS. They had each attempted the exercise without the use of
ammunition, and had worked the bolt as they tried the exercise. They
had not pulled the trigger during the exercise, however, because we
were a little concerned about breaking the firing pin.

Mr. EISENBERG. Could you give us an estimate of how much time they
used in this dry-run practice, each?

Mr. SIMMONS. They used no more than 2 or 3 minutes each.

(ibid.)

They worked the bolt for a total of 6-9 minutes to free it from it's
rust. Of course, the more you use the bolt, the freer from it becomes
and the faster the elaspsed times are for the shooters.

Mr. SIMMONS. .....the pressure to open the bolt was so great that we
tended to move the rifle off the target, whereas with greater
proficiency this might not have occurred.

Mr. EISENBERG. Could this experience in operating the bolt be achieved
in dry practice, Mr. Simmons?

Mr. SIMMONS. Yes; it could be, if sufficient practice were used. There
is some indication of the magnitude of change with one of our shooters
who in his second attempt fired three-tenths of a second less time
than he did in the first.

( 3 H 449 )

THE RUSTED FIRING PIN & SPRING

Then there was rust on the firing pin and it's spring:

".....the firing pin of this rifle has been used extensively as shown
by wear on the nose or striking portion of the firing pin and,
further, THE PRESENCE OF RUST ON THE FIRING PIN AND ITS
SPRING....." ( CE 2974 )

Of course one could argue that the rust appeared on the rifle AFTER
the assassination, but Frazier testified that he examined it on the
day after Kennedy was murdered, not enough time for rust to have
settled in and "roughened" the surface of the barrel:

Mr. McCLOY. How soon after the assassination did you examine this
rifle?

Mr. FRAZIER. We received the rifle the following morning.

Mr. McCLOY. Received it in Washington?

Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.

Mr. McCLOY. And you immediately made your examination of it then?

Mr. FRAZIER. We made an examination of it at that time, and kept it
temporarily in the laboratory.

( 3 H 395 )

Sam Brown

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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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No shit Sherlock. You are a racist rednecked failure who wears his cheap
Harley David son cap too tight.

A four letter word for corrosion is rust fucktard but it still doesnt help
your case. Frazier gave TWO possible reasons for the condition of the
barrel. You cherry pick the one that suits your delusional needs. You are a
lying little loser.

Sam Brown

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"aeffects" <aeffe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Your welcome Junkie. And just for the record, I look good in EVERYTHING.
Loser.


>

Bud

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On Sep 29, 7:43 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 7:17 pm, "Sam Brown" <samjbrow...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dumbarse racist scum sucker Gilbert. Frazier said "roughened from corrosion
> > OR wear". Did you notice the word "OR"? He is not giving a definitive
> > answer. Are you retarded Gilbert?
>
> Rust comes from wear also.

No, rust does not come from wear, idiot. Rust is oxidation caused by
water or moisture.

> Please give us the word that is that
> roughened surfaced on metal caused by corrosion.
>
> Hint: it's got 4 letters.

Did Frazier say there was any rust in the barrel when he examined
it, idiot? A bullet fired might remove rust (which I can`t see, as the
bullet doesn`t hit all the surfaces of the barrel on the way out.
Possibly the gases clear the rust out), but a bullet might not remove
all the corrosive damage caused by the rust. Anybody who has done body
work on a car knows this. You use wire wheels and such to remove the
rust, but the corrosion remains.

Gil Jesus

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On Sep 29, 8:32�pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 7:43 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 29, 7:17 pm, "Sam Brown" <samjbrow...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > Dumbarse racist scum sucker Gilbert. Frazier said "roughened from corrosion
> > > OR wear". Did you notice the word "OR"? He is not giving a definitive
> > > answer. Are you retarded Gilbert?
>
> > Rust comes from wear also.
>
> � No, rust does not come from wear, idiot. Rust is oxidation caused by
> water or moisture.


Bud, it's a given that there's always some moisture in the air.
Scratch something chrome and leave it outside for a few days. Do you
need it to rain for it to start rusting? No.

I've had chrome flanges rust just by having dirt on them for long
periods of time.

Bud

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If you remove rust from a metal object, is the damage from the rust,
the corrosion removed? That is what Frazier was saying, the damage was
there, not the rust. To make your case, you need Frazier saying he saw
rust, and you don`t have that, only the typical kook thing of reading
what they want into what isn`t there.

David Von Pein

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>>> "Bud, it's a given that there's always some moisture in the air. Scratch something chrome and leave it outside for a few days. Do you need it to rain for it to start rusting? No.


Learn to read, idiot.

Bud didn't say it had to "rain" to cause rust. He said "water or
moisture".

justm...@gmail.com

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Again Gilly Girl because you ignored my question the first time, did
LHO use corrosive ammo?????
Look it up Duf-ASS....corrosive ammo will leave rust like remains in
the barrel of a gun if it isn't cleaned immediately after firing. It
also leaves corrosion and pit marks and it doesn't take long for it to
happen.
Ammo aside, Bud and Sam have nailed what little balls you have to the
wall...and again you read into something that isn't there, your usual
tatic when trying to convince anyone that will listen that your right
and the world is wrong. Never have I seen a LOSER like you...other
then the junkie of course.

Gil Jesus

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On Sep 29, 6:21�pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:

>
> � Quote Frazier saying there was rust in the barrel, idiot.


Let's see what Frazier said, Bud:


1. Frazier described the surface of the interior of the barrel as
being "roughened from corrosion or wear".

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners
were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from
corrosion or wear.


2. Next, McCloy asks if Frazier could tell how many shots were fired
through the Oswald rifle since it left the factory.

Mr. McCLOY. Could you say roughly how many rounds you think had been
fired since it left the factory, with the condition of the barrel as
you found it?


3. Frazier responds in the negative, describing the effect of only one
shot on the barrel when it is RUSTED and a shot is fired through it.

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; I could not, because the number of rounds is not
an indication of the condition of the barrel, since IF A BARREL IS
ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE THAT RUST

( 3 H 395 )

Why did Frazier reference the effect on a rusted barrel if the
"roughened by corrosion or wear" wasn't rust ?

And if it wasn't rust, what was it ?

justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 30, 2008, 6:39:31 AM9/30/08
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Ignored my question again Gilda.....WAS LHO USING CORROSIVE
AMMO????????????

Gil Jesus

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On Sep 30, 6:39�am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ignored my question again Gilda.....WAS LHO USING CORROSIVE

> AMMO????????????-

Such a question reveals your ignorance.

justm...@gmail.com

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Dodging the question again I see.....which reveals your stupidity and
cowardness. Do some research on it asshole, learn something before you
post these retarded questions that you can't prove.

Gil Jesus

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> > On Sep 30, 6:39 am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Ignored my question again Gilda.....WAS LHO USING CORROSIVE
> > > AMMO????????????-
>
> > Such a question reveals your ignorance.
>
> Dodging the question again I see.....which reveals your stupidity and
> cowardness. Do some research on it asshole, learn something before you
> post these retarded questions that you can't prove.


Joey, such foolishness (corrosive ammo ) need not be dignified with a
response.

How do you feel about being named as a co-defendant in a libel suit
against Sam Brown ?

It seems that you too have used the "child stalker" foolishness in the
past.

Walt

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Sep 30, 2008, 8:39:12 AM9/30/08
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On 30 Sep, 06:54, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 6:47 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 30, 6:39 am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Ignored my question again Gilda.....WAS LHO USING CORROSIVE
> > > AMMO????????????-

Dear stupid bitch.... The Western Cartridge company was no longer
using corrosive primers in their cartridges when LOT # 6002 was
manufactured. They had discontinued the use of those primers years
earlier.

BUT the residue in the barrel was from old corrosive ammo....... which
causes rust to form very quickly.

Frazier said the barrel was dirty and rusty..... that means the rifle
had not been fired recently.

justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 30, 2008, 8:45:56 AM9/30/08
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Stop changing the subject jerkoff.....go research corrosive ammo.
As for your lawsuit *rolling eyes*, I do believe we can come up with a
good majority of threads started by you defaming and showing libel
from you against others in this group. Namely Sam for starters and
your Sam Brown is a Lesbian thread. Stick your head back up your ass
Gilly Girl, Sam would rake you over the coals if you even attempted to
file a suit against her and there would be a group of us there to back
her up.
Now lets see, you have Rossley who has accused people of killing other
family members, being child molesters and hookers, and you have Healy
who has continually lied about being threatened by emails, and posting
that I am a nazi and admitted lesbian with no proof (I believe you
have referred to me as a Nazi numerous times too). That's your backup
Gilly Girl....good luck! Let the lawsuit begin...we'll be waiting.
BTW, I would be very careful who you threaten with lawsuits asshole,
you have no idea what you're getting yourself into....but you'll find
out soon enough.

Walt

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Sep 30, 2008, 9:48:52 AM9/30/08
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Gil, I assume the "FIRING EXERCISE" that is mentioned ain the above
testimony was to determine if the rifle could be fired three times in
5.4 seconds. ( The elapsed time indicated by the Z film)

The "FIRING EXERCISE" was a farse!!!.

The Carcano COCKS ON THE OPENING STROKE OF THE BOLT. This means that
when the bilt handle is lifted from the normal down position it is in
when it is closed the firing pin is pushed back against a spring
inside the bolt and latched until the trigger releases it to spring
forward and fire the cartridge.

Most bolt action rifles cock on the FORWARD stroke as the fresh live
round is being pushed into the chamber by the forward motion of the
bolt.

Different muscles are used for the two different ways of cocking the
rifles. The rifles that cock on the OPENING stroke are notoriously
inaccurate when fired rapidly. Not because of any problem with the
rifle ....they are inaccurate because the of the force needed to open
the bolt pulls the rifle away from the shooters shoulder and requires
a longer period to realign the rifle on target before the shooter can
fire again. The rifles that cock on the CLOSING stroke use bigger and
more powerful muscles and the rifle is NOT pulled off target by the
cocking action.

Here's why the "FIRING EXERCISE" was a FARCE......

Mr. EISENBERG. How much practice had they had with the weapon,
Exhibit
139, before they began firing?

there were several comments made particularly with respect to the


amount of effort required to open the bolt.

The bolt was hard to open because of the powerful spring that propels
the firing pin......

If the trigger isn't pulled that firing pin remains latched and there
is NO SPRING PRESSURE to overcome when the bolt is opened. THAT
spring pressure is what cause the bolt to be hard to open and it is
what SLOWS DOWN the shooter when firing the rifle. When the rifle was
"fired" in the "FIRING EXERCISES" they never pulled the trigger.
Therefore the "Firing EXERCISE" was not a real test at all.....It was
merely another LIE.

Gil Jesus

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Sep 30, 2008, 11:55:27 AM9/30/08
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On Sep 30, 8:45�am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
�Let the lawsuit begin...we'll be waiting.

> BTW, I would be very careful who you threaten with lawsuits asshole,
> you have no idea what you're getting yourself into....but you'll find
> out soon enough.-

I'm glad you feel that way Joey. Because I have 41 posts of yours
accusing me of pedophilia, stalking children and sex with minors.

I've contacted two law firms for an on line consultation.

If either of them comes back and says I have a case, IT'S ON !!!

I don't threaten.

Be ready to back up EVERYTHING you say in court. The burden of proof
will be on your side.

tomnln

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<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ahh YES!

Da CUNT again omits the word "RETALIATION".

Retaliation to Da CUNT is like Kryptonite to Superman.

http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm

muc...@gmail.com

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On 30 Sep., 18:37, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> <justme1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Earth to Rossley: "RETALIATION" is not a magic word that absolves you
of any responsibility for what you say.

Walt

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If ya need a witness in court....... I'll testify that Rossley
slandered, and defamed you.

justm...@gmail.com

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> If ya need a witness in court....... I'll testify that Rossley
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>
> - Show quoted text -

If Gil takes anything to court there will be a whole bunch of people
there. Rossley will be the biggest offender of them all...it will be
enjoyable to see Jesus hang his own supporter. Also lets not forget
Jesus when he cloned our names and posted as us...his vulgarity that
he posted and the women on here that he defamed. Remember the law will
be able to trace all that down...and I will contact AIOE again and
they will have to supply the information to the courts.
Gil has started all of the threads about people being someone
else...has called others communist and nazis (along with that junkie
whos mind is like mud).
Thanks for the heads up Chico....we can all start gathering your
slanderous posts together now and have them ready to hang you with.

tomnln

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"Walt" <papakoc...@evertek.net> wrote in message
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Walt wrote;

If ya need a witness in court....... I'll testify that Rossley
slandered, and defamed you.

I write;

Hey Walt;
Will you also testify that justme Started the Insults????

Or, is it just LN's Sticking together?

To show what a Lying Stupid Bastard you are.....

Your side NEVER wants this case in a U S Court Room with the Adversary
Procedure.

Walt EXPOSED>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/wally_world.htm
ALL in his own words.
Walt "defamed" Himself! ! !
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Bud

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On Sep 29, 10:12 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "Bud, it's a given that there's always some moisture in the air. Scratch something chrome and leave it outside for a few days. Do you need it to rain for it to start rusting? No.
>
> Learn to read, idiot.
>
> Bud didn't say it had to "rain" to cause rust. He said "water or
> moisture".

He seems to think its the scratching that causes the rust. He claims
its the "wear". The scratching removes the protective covering, so the
moisture can get to the metal that can oxidize beneath the protective
covering. The stupidest man in North America is hot on the trail of
the conspiracy.

tomnln

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<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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justme wrote;

If Gil takes anything to court there will be a whole bunch of people
there. Rossley will be the biggest offender of them all...it will be
enjoyable to see Jesus hang his own supporter. Also lets not forget
Jesus when he cloned our names and posted as us...his vulgarity that
he posted and the women on here that he defamed. Remember the law will
be able to trace all that down...and I will contact AIOE again and
they will have to supply the information to the courts.
Gil has started all of the threads about people being someone
else...has called others communist and nazis (along with that junkie
whos mind is like mud).
Thanks for the heads up Chico....we can all start gathering your
slanderous posts together now and have them ready to hang you with.


I write;

Will you be putting the picture of you & Walt with the donkey into
evidence???


Hey justme;

Do you support these Stupid claims by Walt?>>>

I've asked you Many Times to Prove your claim that.......
133-a had Dual Sling Mounts.
LHO worked for RFK.
Walker called a German newsman
Mike Paine gave 133-a to the DPD on 11/22/63
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Bud

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Sep 30, 2008, 2:35:23 PM9/30/08
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It could be corrosion caused by rust. Firing bullets removes the
rust. Does that mean firing bullets also removes all signs of
corrosion. No, it doesn`t mean that. Lets say soaked the barrel of a
rifle in water, so that it rusted. Then, you fired a bullet from that
rifle. Would firing the bullet make the barrel pristine and like new?
No, evidence of the rust damage would still remain.

tomnln

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<muc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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mucher wrote;

Earth to Rossley: "RETALIATION" is not a magic word that absolves you
of any responsibility for what you say.


I write;

You bet your ass it DOES you KOOK-SUCKER.

Bring it to Court (if they let you) and, find out.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gil Jesus

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On Sep 30, 1:54�pm, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up Chico....we can all start gathering your

> slanderous posts together now and have them ready to hang you with.-

JOEY:

I never accused you of a crime. I never set up a web site to defame
you. I never posted your personal information in a newsgroup.

This isn't about name calling, hell we're ALL guilty of THAT.

This is about accusing someone of a crime without any evidence.


You claimed that I was luring teens to a youtube channel

You better have documentation of the communication between myself and
those teens

You better have the names of those teens and have them ready to
testify against me


You claimed that I was having sex with little boys.

You better have the names of those boys and have them ready to testify
against me


You claimed that I've been "trolling" the net for little boys.

You better have documentation that proves this is true


This isn't about name-calling. This isn't about what you called me or
what I called you.

Courts aren't into hearing childish he-said/she-said foolishness.


This is about the crime that you've accused me of and whether or not
you can prove it.

I KNOW you can't, because you can't prove something that never
happened.

If I were you, I'd be worried right now.


justm...@gmail.com

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On Sep 30, 2:21 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Walt" <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote in message
> > >Hide quoted text -
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> Walt wrote;
>
> If ya need a witness in court....... I'll testify that Rossley
> slandered, and defamed  you.
>
> I write;
>
> Hey Walt;
> Will you also testify that justme Started the Insults????
>
> Or, is it just LN's Sticking together?
>
> To show what a Lying Stupid Bastard you are.....
>
> Your side NEVER wants this case in a U S Court Room with the Adversary
> Procedure.
>
> Walt EXPOSED>>>  http://whokilledjfk.net/wally_world.htm
> ALL in his own words.
> Walt "defamed" Himself! ! !
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­----------------------------------------------------------------- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

put the cork back in the bottle toothless, Walt was talking to Mark,
not me.
In answer to your other question about Walt...I would accept what Walt
says over what you post on that pathetic web site any day of the
week.
We aren't talking about me Rossley...we're talking about your buddy
Jesus who is going to open a can of worms that he will not be able to
handle once the shit hits the fan. He'll be exposing you and your
child molesting accusations to numerous posters, and you accusing them
of killing another person. I don't give a shit if you call it
retailiation or not, if Jesus thinks he has a case for being
humiliated because hes a complete idiot...everyone will be involved.
He threatened Sam with a law suit and now he's dragging me into
it...be ready for the domino effect.

tomnln

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<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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justme wrote;

put the cork back in the bottle toothless, Walt was talking to Mark,
not me.
In answer to your other question about Walt...I would accept what Walt
says over what you post on that pathetic web site any day of the
week.
We aren't talking about me Rossley...we're talking about your buddy
Jesus who is going to open a can of worms that he will not be able to
handle once the shit hits the fan. He'll be exposing you and your
child molesting accusations to numerous posters, and you accusing them
of killing another person. I don't give a shit if you call it
retailiation or not, if Jesus thinks he has a case for being
humiliated because hes a complete idiot...everyone will be involved.
He threatened Sam with a law suit and now he's dragging me into
it...be ready for the domino effect.

When the hell did you Escalate to "a can of worms"????

AGAIN;
Do you support Walt's Lying Claims?>>>

You never proved that 133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts".
When are you gonna Prove that LHO worked for RFK???
You never proved thast Walker called Germany.
You never proved Oswald ordered a 40 inch rifle.


tomnln

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 30, 2008, 3:01:09 PM9/30/08
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What I can prove is you stealing our identities and posting with our
names, (Identity thief is a federal crime) what I can prove is you
defaming other posters, and you better broaden your search because
there have been atleast 5 people on this group that have called you a
kiddy chaser.
Do you think calling someone a hooker is any different then calling
someone a kiddy chaser Jesus? Prostitution is illegal...therefore you
have accused me of a crime.
Lets see how well Rossely proves that numerous people killed their
parents with an AIDS virus...
That numerous people are child molesters....and your agreement with
his posts makes you just as guilty.
Also don't forget the comments you recieved on your google group about
the teens and music from strangers calling you a sicko if I recall
correctly. Trying to pretend you are the born again Christian you
claim to be...and then starting the threads you have nips your balls
right in the bud. Any logical person can see you are nothing more then
a lying hypocrite.

muc...@gmail.com

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Sep 30, 2008, 3:06:09 PM9/30/08
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> If ya need a witness in court....... I'll testify that Rossley
> slandered, and defamed  you.

Thanks, Walt, but I'm afraid it would be an exercise in futility to
take him to court. Look up insanity or diminished capacity plea in the
dictionary and you'll find a picture of Tomnln.

Bud

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Sep 30, 2008, 3:09:01 PM9/30/08
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On Sep 30, 8:31 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 30, 6:39 am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Ignored my question again Gilda.....WAS LHO USING CORROSIVE
> > > > AMMO????????????-
>
> > > Such a question reveals your ignorance.
>
> > Dodging the question again I see.....which reveals your stupidity and
> > cowardness. Do some research on it asshole, learn something before you
> > post these retarded questions that you can't prove.
>
> Joey, such foolishness (corrosive ammo ) need not be dignified with a
> response.
>
> How do you feel about being named as a co-defendant in a libel suit
> against Sam Brown ?

Gil, when you break into your piggy bank, and take your $43 to a
lawyer, which will buy you about 3 minutes of his time, he is going to
explain to your that you willingly come to a place where such dialog
is commonplace, it is the usual climate of this "place". This lessens
your chances of successfully pursuing slander or libel charges. It
would be like entering a mosh pit, and then trying to have the people
arrested for assaulting you. The fact that you wrote that people have
to hide their children from Sam really takes away legal standing you
might have had.

Bud

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On Sep 30, 11:55 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 8:45 am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Let the lawsuit begin...we'll be waiting.
>
> > BTW, I would be very careful who you threaten with lawsuits asshole,
> > you have no idea what you're getting yourself into....but you'll find
> > out soon enough.-
>
> I'm glad you feel that way Joey. Because I have 41 posts of yours
> accusing me of pedophilia, stalking children and sex with minors.
>
> I've contacted two law firms for an on line consultation.
>
> If either of them comes back and says I have a case, IT'S ON !!!

They won`t. You don`t.

Walt

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Hell no!!.... She said ...quote...."I would accept what Walt says over
what you post on that pathetic web site any day of the week...
unquote. When she says stuff like that I'm going to have to retract
my inflamatory words of calling her a "stupid bitch" ..... She's
simply an uneducated termagant.

> You never proved Oswald ordered a 40 inch rifle.- Hide quoted text -

Gil Jesus

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I don't think I used the term children Bud. I think I used the term
daughters.

At MY age, it would mean a woman 25-35. ( the age of my daughter if I
had one )

Again, this isn't about name-calling, heck you and I have called each
other names ( I even laugh at some of the names you call me ). Rather,
this is about repeatedy accusing someone in the most graphic terms
available, of luring children and having sex with children, one of the
most tasteless and disgusting things I can think of.

You may well be right that a lawyer is going to tell me to "live with
it", but there has to be a line drawn in the sand as to what is
acceptable and in good taste and what isn't.

When people make such outrageous claims about someone, they need to be
called on it.

The fact that 4 posters here ( not you, Bud ) have made 52 references
to my having sex with young boys is indicative of how far this has
gotten out of hand.

It's time that someone put an end to it, and if that someone has to be
me, then so be it.

I'm ready for the challenge.

justm...@gmail.com

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You can start by telling your buddy Rossley who I believe was the
first person I ever saw accuse someone of child molesting to stfu.
Telling people to hide their daughters does NOT constitute an age just
because if you had a daughter she would be in her 20s...I can't
believe you even said something so stupid.
I have 36 threads just in the month of September that you started
about various people accusing them of being lesbians right down to
insinuating that their job causes people to commit suicide. Also
posting personal information about them which you had a hissy fit over
when it was done to you.
You have got to be the queen of hypocrites, EVERYTHING you accuse
others of you have done yourself.
Bud's right, you don't like what goes on, leave. You are just as much
a part of it all as anyone else on this group including me. You were
going to sue Lowry and YoHarvey for posting you had been arrested, you
shot your mouth off and then ate your foot. You really must enjoy
eating crow.
Sept. alone, 36 threads...and that is after you went on your rampage
in the previous months where I'm sure there will be 100's more threads
started about people by you. And you wonder why everyone loves ripping
you a new asshole....because you deserve it.

tomnln

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<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 30, 3:42 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> I don't think I used the term children Bud. I think I used the term
> daughters.
>
> At MY age, it would mean a woman 25-35. ( the age of my daughter if I
> had one )
>
> Again, this isn't about name-calling, heck you and I have called each
> other names ( I even laugh at some of the names you call me ). Rather,
> this is about repeatedy accusing someone in the most graphic terms
> available, of luring children and having sex with children, one of the
> most tasteless and disgusting things I can think of.
>
> You may well be right that a lawyer is going to tell me to "live with
> it", but there has to be a line drawn in the sand as to what is
> acceptable and in good taste and what isn't.
>
> When people make such outrageous claims about someone, they need to be
> called on it.
>
> The fact that 4 posters here ( not you, Bud ) have made 52 references
> to my having sex with young boys is indicative of how far this has
> gotten out of hand.
>
> It's time that someone put an end to it, and if that someone has to be
> me, then so be it.
>
> I'm ready for the challenge.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
justmer wrote;

You can start by telling your buddy Rossley who I believe was the
first person I ever saw accuse someone of child molesting to stfu.
Telling people to hide their daughters does NOT constitute an age just
because if you had a daughter she would be in her 20s...I can't
believe you even said something so stupid.
I have 36 threads just in the month of September that you started
about various people accusing them of being lesbians right down to
insinuating that their job causes people to commit suicide. Also
posting personal information about them which you had a hissy fit over
when it was done to you.
You have got to be the queen of hypocrites, EVERYTHING you accuse
others of you have done yourself.
Bud's right, you don't like what goes on, leave. You are just as much
a part of it all as anyone else on this group including me. You were
going to sue Lowry and YoHarvey for posting you had been arrested, you
shot your mouth off and then ate your foot. You really must enjoy
eating crow.
Sept. alone, 36 threads...and that is after you went on your rampage
in the previous months where I'm sure there will be 100's more threads
started about people by you. And you wonder why everyone loves ripping
you a new asshole....because you deserve it.

I write;

You Stupid Ignorant CUNT;

It was YOUR leader McAdams who Started the "Child Molesting" attacks.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

tomnln

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<muc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quite a scorecard Walt;

So far you have 3 Cheer leaders from the LN Side.
Chuck
DVP
Mucher

When are you gonna offer Proof of your Lying Stupid Bastard Claims?>>>


tomnln

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<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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RETALIATION, CUNT.

Get used to it.

http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm

Bud

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Sep 30, 2008, 5:39:03 PM9/30/08
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On Sep 30, 3:42 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> I don't think I used the term children Bud. I think I used the term
> daughters.

I used the word children. As usual, you are dumb as a stump.

> At MY age, it would mean a woman 25-35. ( the age of my daughter if I
> had one )

A woman who had all sons and daughters in the age range 25-35
might say "All my children are married", right? It`s not age specific,
you are your mother`s child all your life.

> Again, this isn't about name-calling, heck you and I have called each
> other names ( I even laugh at some of the names you call me ).

So do I.

>Rather,
> this is about repeatedy accusing someone in the most graphic terms
> available, of luring children and having sex with children, one of the
> most tasteless and disgusting things I can think of.

Thats why it`s used. There isn`t much left with any shock value any
more.

> You may well be right that a lawyer is going to tell me to "live with
> it",

What he`ll likely tell you is that you have no legal grounds.

> but there has to be a line drawn in the sand as to what is
> acceptable and in good taste and what isn't.

I made an appeal back in 2005 for that particular rhetoric to be
left out of the dialog. You can see how well that worked. But, where
were you when Ben Holmes leveled the same charge against Mark? Is it
only over the line when it`s leveled against you?

> When people make such outrageous claims about someone, they need to be
> called on it.

You are an active member of a group that routinely calls innoent
people murderers. In addition to being an idiot, you are a hypocrite.

> The fact that 4 posters here ( not you, Bud ) have made 52 references
> to my having sex with young boys is indicative of how far this has
> gotten out of hand.

Nobody believes that crap, Gil. I said that Tomnln had sex with a
dead tranny goat, and even I know that he probably didn`t.

> It's time that someone put an end to it, and if that someone has to be
> me, then so be it.

You can`t stop the flaming here, Gil. It`s part of this place`s
charm.

> I'm ready for the challenge.

It`s hard for me to imagine someone more ill equipped.

tomnln

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Sep 30, 2008, 5:52:26 PM9/30/08
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Quite a scorecard Walt;

So far you have 3 Cheer leaders from the LN Side.
Chuck
DVP
Mucher

When are you gonna offer Proof of your Lying Stupid Bastard Claims?>>>

Hey Walt;

You never proved that 133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts".
When are you gonna Prove that LHO worked for RFK???

You never proved that Walker called Germany.


You never proved Oswald ordered a 40 inch rifle.

You never proved Mike Paine gave the DOD a copy of 133-a on 11/22/63.
You never proved the wallet was found "INSIDE" the owner's car.
You never proved the wallet was found in the owner's car.
You never proved Michael Paine had same model rifle.

You're a Warren Commission Shill! ! !

Gil Jesus

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Sep 30, 2008, 6:39:50 PM9/30/08
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On Sep 30, 4:03�pm, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sep 30, 3:42�pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I don't think I used the term children Bud. I think I used the term
> > daughters.
>
> > At MY age, it would mean a woman 25-35. ( the age of my daughter if I
> > had one )
>
> > Again, this isn't about name-calling, heck you and I have called each
> > other names ( I even laugh at some of the names you call me ). Rather,
> > this is about repeatedy accusing someone in the most graphic terms
> > available, of luring children and having sex with children, one of the
> > most tasteless and disgusting things I can think of.
>
> > You may well be right that a lawyer is going to tell me to "live with
> > it", but there has to be a line drawn in the sand as to what is
> > acceptable and in good taste and what isn't.
>
> > When people make such outrageous claims about someone, they need to be
> > called on it.
>
> > The fact that 4 posters here ( not you, Bud ) have made 52 references
> > to my having sex with young boys is indicative of how far this has
> > gotten out of hand.
>
> > It's time that someone put an end to it, and if that someone has to be
> > me, then so be it.
>
> > I'm ready for the challenge.
>
> You can start by telling your buddy Rossley who I believe was the
> first person I ever saw accuse someone of child molesting to stfu.

I have no more responsibility for Tom Rossley's posts then the man in
the moon has for yours.

Take responsibility for your OWN garbage, instead of complaining about
the stink of someone else's.

> Telling people to hide their daughters does NOT constitute an age just
> because if you had a daughter she would be in her 20s...I can't
> believe you even said something so stupid.

What a daughter is to me and what a daughter is to say, a 30 year old
is a big difference.

> I have 36 threads just in the month of September that you started
> about various people accusing them of being lesbians right down to
> insinuating that their job causes people to commit suicide.

Good. Post them here. The only one I said was a lesbian was Sam Brown.

Make sure those posts were posted by ME, because you're going to get a
chance in court to prove that Robcap and I are the same person. And if
you're attributing his posts to ME and you're wrong, well, that's just
more defamation.

We're also going to find out who sent the bogus "Mother's prayers" to
that website, since my 76 year old mom has no computer and is house-
ridden.

And the court's going to love to see that "Exposing the Ignorant"
website.

That's gotta be worth at least 4 or 5 MIL in damages anyways.

Yes, it's going to ALL come out in the wash.

And somebody's going to have to pay for all of this.

Also
> posting personal information about them which you had a hissy fit over
> when it was done to you.

just make sure those posts were made by Gil Jesus

> You have got to be the queen of hypocrites, EVERYTHING you accuse
> others of you have done yourself.

> Bud's right, you don't like what goes on, leave.

You'd like that.

>You are just as much
> a part of it all as anyone else on this group including me. You were
> going to sue Lowry and YoHarvey for posting you had been arrested, you
> shot your mouth off and then ate your foot. You really must enjoy
> eating crow.
> Sept. alone, 36 threads...and that is after you went on your rampage
> in the previous months where I'm sure there will be 100's more threads
> started about people by you. And you wonder why everyone loves ripping

> you a new asshole....because you deserve it.-


Like I said, you better be ready to prove what you've said about me
--- 41 times.

You and three other people are going to find out that you crossed the
line --- 52 times.

justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 30, 2008, 6:46:02 PM9/30/08
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> line --- 52 times.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Go for it Jesus....I'm sick and tired of you being a little cry baby,
then trying to act like the big man. Everything everyone has said
about you on this group you deserved. You try to be the self rightous
one, well the law will prove it was you posting as Justin and using
our names while you cloned our identities. Thats a federal crime big
man....you aren't worth 4 or 5 cents.

Gil Jesus

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Sep 30, 2008, 6:57:05 PM9/30/08
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On Sep 30, 2:52�pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Tom:

Justme thinks this is about who called who the most names.

It isn't.

Justme posted personal information in the newsgroup, including names
addresses phone numbers and dates of birth.

No one did that to justme or anyone else.

Justme started a website, the ONLY purpose of which was to slander me,
yourself and Dave Healy.

No one did that to justme or anyone else.

Justme accused me in 41 posts of stalking and luring teens to a
youtube channel and of having sex with young boys. Three other posters
did the same thing a total of 11 more times.

I certainly did not that to justme or those other posters.

I've had enough foolishness from these trolls.

If I can get a lawyer to take this case, they'll get their chance to
prove their postings in court.

justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 30, 2008, 8:33:37 PM9/30/08
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On Sep 30, 6:46 pm, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
> man....you aren't worth 4 or 5 cents.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Your threads...this doesn't even include your comments in threads
started by others...these are just the threads you started yourself
about others in the month of September:

SAM BROWN IS A LESBIAN
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/67c30949cf389d16?hl=en#

SAM BROWN ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL
YOU TOOK IT UPON YOURSELF TO CHANGE THE TITLE OF THE ORIGINAL THREAD
SO SCROLL DOWN TO YOUR POST ABOUT SAM
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/e16ce6fafceb5a4f/d40507acf7222083?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=SAM+BROWN+ON+THE+HIGHWAY+TO+HELL#d40507acf7222083

FAKE LESBIAN SAM BROWN PROMOTES PUTTING "GODLESS SODOMITES IN THEIR
PLACE"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/e1512d43e87779ba/7d988481411d206a?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=FAKE+LESBIAN+SAM+BROWN#7d988481411d206a

Anti-Semite Lowry (cdddraftsman ) displays his hatred for Jews
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/6b15d5ff5b56e33e/eae471bd3d30dc77?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=ANTI-SEMITE+LOWRY+DISPLAYS+HIS+HATRED+FOR+JEWS#eae471bd3d30dc77

IS THIS THE SAME SAM BROWN THAT IS OFFENDED BY THE TERM "BUM
BUDDIES"?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/c9bf82246c15d66f/baa2515962c01b9b?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=IS+THIS+THE+SAME+SAM+BROWN+THAT+IS+OFFENDED+BY+THE+WORD+BUM#baa2515962c01b9b

OT: For Chuck Shyster -- Suicides over Foreclosures
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/2a52deaaf80bf61c/afb97c546e2d7fd4?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=FOR+CHUCK+SHYSTER+SUICIDE+OVER+FORECLOSURES#afb97c546e2d7fd4

INTERESTING INFO ON CHUCK SHYSTER
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/42d19e8d3d948f07/594abfb4ba0fb0d5?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=INTERESTING+INFO+ON+CHUCK+SHYSTER#594abfb4ba0fb0d5

Are Atheists any better than Communists ?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/b8bb05a78f1a0a9c/b7e1a183efd8b6ad?hl=en&q=ARE+ATHEISTS+ANY+BETTER+THEN+COMMUNISTS&lnk=ol&

JUSTME'S IDENTITY REVEALED
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/14497cbeaf54a167/864e162afdb6fb56?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#864e162afdb6fb56

JUSTME/BOYOBEN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/2a2364a13cbf6f72/b36d54f4f79f43b9?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#b36d54f4f79f43b9

ADM7007 at Youtube calls LOWry a "delusional shill retard "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/93984f17aec39669/3eb87c4543d5f34f?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#3eb87c4543d5f34f

NEW NAME FOR THE TROLLS
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/657d3a7606a8995a/98c3baad5b86010c?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#98c3baad5b86010c

Did JUSTME'S husband commit suicide ?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/63460eec4ad91731/65325c2f335c2b6e?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#65325c2f335c2b6e

HMMMMM YOU ARE ACCUSING ANOTHER MALE OF HAVING SEX WITH YOUNG
BOYS..THERE GOES YOU BS ABOUT NEVER ACCUSING SOMEONE OF A
CRIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion subject changed to "Why does YoHarvey keep having sex wth
12 year old boys ?" by Gil Jesus
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/2c924744b508bec1/b97570a0669a0b51?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#b97570a0669a0b51

GIL JESUS USING AN ALIAS TO PRAISE HIMSELF

What's got YoHarvey Oswald's panties all twisted up ?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/3c5beef9c3e0f27/3ff69f1a7de7f109?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#3ff69f1a7de7f109

WHY JUSTME IS AN ATHEIST
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/1e5932ba7340d474/2f7a66ef674c8391?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#2f7a66ef674c8391

TORNADO HITS YOHARVEYVILLE
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/19836ca6604bf1b4/81879b6974a79709?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#81879b6974a79709

Poor Losers >> YoHarvey
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/69c281dc5b536ba9/173e9232a7bb8c7a?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#173e9232a7bb8c7a

Why can't JUST MEntal and the scumbags explain how I can post from
AIOE
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/a2c82f46eba4f2e2/54511a5c53d01ccb?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#54511a5c53d01ccb

YoHarvey/justme : The epitome of sleaze
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/7474c881f2d85eeb/42139131a571df5c?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#42139131a571df5c

Queer YoHarvey may have to switch to "justme" screenname
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/785b4765a0bf8bf1/d7b317e1ee0fe416?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#d7b317e1ee0fe416

OT: Jodie Foster is a LESBIAN
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/c314575b31deef6/f9ecfb5de94c36e2?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#f9ecfb5de94c36e2

You can't spell JUST MENTAL without "JUST ME"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/eec16053e73be618/44c66ca2feec6b12?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#44c66ca2feec6b12


Discussion subject changed to "Know how to get YoHarvey off your front
porch?" by hotrod34117...@aol.com
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/80077d8f34a9ccc1/85c3f55a943b314b?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#85c3f55a943b314b

I'M BORED NOW, THIS ISN'T EVEN 1/4 OF THE THREADS YOU HAVE STARTED
SLANDERING OTHERS. I HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO YOUR FILTH AS JUSTIN
YET...THAT WILL FOLLOW. SO WILL YOUR POSTS ON THREADS YOU DIDN'T
START. ALL OF THE ABOVE PROVES YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE ON A DAILY
BASIS.

justm...@gmail.com

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Sep 30, 2008, 8:46:23 PM9/30/08
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On Sep 30, 6:57 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 2:52 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> Tom:
>
> Justme thinks this is about who called who the most names.
>
> It isn't.
>
> Justme posted personal information in the newsgroup, including names
> addresses phone numbers and dates of birth.

>
> No one did that to justme or anyone else.

Liar...you started a thread Interesting info on Chuck Shyster, you
traced ip addresses of myself and yoharvey and others and posted
information. The only reason you haven't posted more is because you
don't have a clue what our real names are. Otherwise you could find
the FREE information on the net just like we did.

>
> Justme started a website, the ONLY purpose of which was to slander me,
> yourself and Dave Healy.
>
> No one did that to justme or anyone else.

Liar....That website was started because of what Rossley had posted on
his website about me, and others. So again you lie, someone did do
that to me and other people.


>
> Justme accused me in 41 posts of stalking and luring teens to a
> youtube channel and of having sex with young boys. Three other posters
> did the same thing a total of 11 more times.
>
> I certainly did not that to justme or those other posters.

No? You said I was a lesbian...you said i was a hooker....you accused
yoharvey of having sex with boys...you have accused others of things
just as bad. Stop crying like a 2 year old sissy.


>
> I've had enough foolishness from these trolls.
>
> If I can get a lawyer to take this case, they'll get their chance to
> prove their postings in court.

I can see it now, Gil Jesus vs. The google group Lone Nutters....Had
you not started the Justin crap and posting under different names with
your vulgar demeaning comments you might have not gotten what you now
deserve. You continued to lie, and post threads about us all. You are
far from innocent Jesus, and everyone here knows it.

Gil Jesus

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Listen, nutcase:

If you have proof that I "stole your identity", then report me to the
FBI or get off my ass.

I'm sick of your foolishness already.

Sam Brown

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Sep 30, 2008, 9:01:09 PM9/30/08
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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> > On Sep 30, 6:39 am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > Ignored my question again Gilda.....WAS LHO USING CORROSIVE
>> > > AMMO????????????-
>>
>> > Such a question reveals your ignorance.
>>
>> Dodging the question again I see.....which reveals your stupidity and
>> cowardness. Do some research on it asshole, learn something before you
>> post these retarded questions that you can't prove.
>
>
> Joey, such foolishness (corrosive ammo ) need not be dignified with a
> response.
>
> How do you feel about being named as a co-defendant in a libel suit
> against Sam Brown ?


Bring it on Gilbert, now tell me, have you paid Mommy that back rent you owe
her? Loser. ROTFLMAO.

Sam Brown

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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 30, 8:45�am, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
�Let the lawsuit begin...we'll be waiting.

> BTW, I would be very careful who you threaten with lawsuits asshole,
> you have no idea what you're getting yourself into....but you'll find
> out soon enough.-

I'm glad you feel that way Joey. Because I have 41 posts of yours
accusing me of pedophilia, stalking children and sex with minors.

I've contacted two law firms for an on line consultation.


Hahahahahahhahahahaha, ONLINE consultation. ROTFLMFAO. Our family lawyer is
on permanant retainer, you moron. You have no idea who you are dealing with.
Go for it Gil. I dare you. LOL


If either of them comes back and says I have a case, IT'S ON !!!

I don't threaten.

Sam Brown

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<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 30, 12:59 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On 30 Sep, 11:52, much...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 30 Sep., 18:37, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > <justme1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:9f2f6f28-b28d-4262...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 30, 8:31 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 30, 6:39 am, "justme1...@gmail.com"
> > > > > > <justme1...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Ignored my question again Gilda.....WAS LHO USING CORROSIVE
> > > > > > > AMMO????????????-
>
> > > > > > Such a question reveals your ignorance.
>
> > > > > Dodging the question again I see.....which reveals your stupidity
> > > > > and
> > > > > cowardness. Do some research on it asshole, learn something before
> > > > > you
> > > > > post these retarded questions that you can't prove.
>
> > > > Joey, such foolishness (corrosive ammo ) need not be dignified with
> > > > a
> > > > response.
>
> > > > How do you feel about being named as a co-defendant in a libel suit
> > > > against Sam Brown ?
>
> > > > It seems that you too have used the "child stalker" foolishness in
> > > > the
> > > > past.
>
> > > Stop changing the subject jerkoff.....go research corrosive ammo.
> > > As for your lawsuit *rolling eyes*, I do believe we can come up with a
> > > good majority of threads started by you defaming and showing libel
> > > from you against others in this group. Namely Sam for starters and
> > > your Sam Brown is a Lesbian thread. Stick your head back up your ass
> > > Gilly Girl, Sam would rake you over the coals if you even attempted to
> > > file a suit against her and there would be a group of us there to back
> > > her up.
> > > Now lets see, you have Rossley who has accused people of killing other
> > > family members, being child molesters and hookers, and you have Healy
> > > who has continually lied about being threatened by emails, and posting
> > > that I am a nazi and admitted lesbian with no proof (I believe you
> > > have referred to me as a Nazi numerous times too). That's your backup
> > > Gilly Girl....good luck! Let the lawsuit begin...we'll be waiting.

> > > BTW, I would be very careful who you threaten with lawsuits asshole,
> > > you have no idea what you're getting yourself into....but you'll find
> > > out soon enough.
>
> > > Ahh YES!
>
> > > Da CUNT again omits the word "RETALIATION".
>
> > Earth to Rossley: "RETALIATION" is not a magic word that absolves you
> > of any responsibility for what you say.
>
> > > Retaliation to Da CUNT is like Kryptonite to Superman.
>
> > >http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htmhttp://whokilledjfk.net/CASE...Hide
> > >quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If ya need a witness in court....... I'll testify that Rossley
> slandered, and defamed you.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

If Gil takes anything to court there will be a whole bunch of people
there. Rossley will be the biggest offender of them all...it will be
enjoyable to see Jesus hang his own supporter. Also lets not forget
Jesus when he cloned our names and posted as us...his vulgarity that
he posted and the women on here that he defamed. Remember the law will
be able to trace all that down...and I will contact AIOE again and
they will have to supply the information to the courts.
Gil has started all of the threads about people being someone
else...has called others communist and nazis (along with that junkie
whos mind is like mud).


Thanks for the heads up Chico....we can all start gathering your
slanderous posts together now and have them ready to hang you with.


His local authorities already have copies of his earlier hate crimes on this
newsgroup. He's toast.

Sam Brown

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<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Gil is pissed because his cover has been blown and he has been exposed time
and time again as the lying hypocritical scumbag that he is. I welcome the
chance to destroy this homophobic little grub. I've got way more money than
he does. Bring it on Bigot. I'll make sure everyone in your hometown hears
the WHOLE story.

Sam Brown

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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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*********************************************************************


ROTFLMFAO. x 50000000000!!!!! Are you really this stupid? You dont have a
good enough reputation to damage idiot. You are a complete failure in life.
Everyone knows it. You are bigoted, stupid, paranoid and ridiculous. I
reckon I owe you about 48 cents Australian .

Sam Brown

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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Tom:

It isn't.


Why are you turning this around agaisnt Justme, chickenshit? Pick on me. I
dare you.

tomnln

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justme wrote;

Go for it Jesus....I'm sick and tired of you being a little cry baby,
then trying to act like the big man. Everything everyone has said
about you on this group you deserved. You try to be the self rightous
one, well the law will prove it was you posting as Justin and using
our names while you cloned our identities. Thats a federal crime big
man....you aren't worth 4 or 5 cents.


I write;

Justme, you STARTED the insults.

That opened the door for RETALIATION.

THEN, You became a Cry-Baby.

You SUCK at insults almost as much as you SUCK at evidence/testimony.

Kinda like your Side-Kick Walt.

Any Court will BURY your Filth Deeper than I even could. (& I bury you
pretty WELL.)
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justm...@gmail.com

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On Sep 30, 9:47 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> <justme1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-------------------------------------------------------------------

> justme wrote;
>
> Go for it Jesus....I'm sick and tired of you being a little cry baby,
> then trying to act like the big man. Everything everyone has said
> about you on this group you deserved. You try to be the self rightous
> one, well the law will prove it was you posting as Justin and using
> our names while you cloned our identities. Thats a federal crime big
> man....you aren't worth 4 or 5 cents.
>
> I write;
>
> Justme, you STARTED the insults.
>
> That opened the door for RETALIATION.
>
> THEN, You became a Cry-Baby.
>
> You SUCK at insults almost as much as you SUCK at evidence/testimony.
>
> Kinda like your Side-Kick Walt.
>
> Any Court will BURY your Filth Deeper than I even could.  (& I bury you
> pretty WELL.)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­----------------------------------------------------------------- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Rossley? Go hug little Gilly, he needs your childish insults to help
him overcome being an ignorant moron. Your name calling is moot
Rossley...it no longer bothers me, because everyone here knows your
nothing more than an old lush with one foot in the grave.
I'd stand by Walt, even though I don't agree with him anyday...as
opposed to you. There isn't anyone on this newsgroup but Jesus,
Robcrap and Healy that gives you the time of day anymore. Enough said.

tomnln

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"Sam Brown" <samjb...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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justme wrote;

> If Gil takes anything to court there will be a whole bunch of people
> there. Rossley will be the biggest offender of them all...it will be
> enjoyable to see Jesus hang his own supporter. Also lets not forget
> Jesus when he cloned our names and posted as us...his vulgarity that
> he posted and the women on here that he defamed. Remember the law will
> be able to trace all that down...and I will contact AIOE again and
> they will have to supply the information to the courts.
> Gil has started all of the threads about people being someone
> else...has called others communist and nazis (along with that junkie
> whos mind is like mud).
> Thanks for the heads up Chico....we can all start gathering your
> slanderous posts together now and have them ready to hang you with.
>
>
> His local authorities already have copies of his earlier hate crimes on
> this newsgroup. He's toast.


I write;

Seeing that justme mentions me in the negative AGAIN.

I take Great Pleasure in reminding her that I warned her the First time she
insulted me that I "RETALIATE".

I Repeatedly asked the CUNT to address evidence/testimony>>>

http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm

The CUNT resorted to Insults to Avoid addressing evidence/testimony.
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Sam Brown

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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 30, 1:54�pm, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up Chico....we can all start gathering your


> slanderous posts together now and have them ready to hang you with.-

JOEY:

I never accused you of a crime. I never set up a web site to defame
you. I never posted your personal information in a newsgroup.

This isn't about name calling, hell we're ALL guilty of THAT.

This is about accusing someone of a crime without any evidence.


You claimed that I was luring teens to a youtube channel

You better have documentation of the communication between myself and
those teens

You better have the names of those teens and have them ready to
testify against me


You claimed that I was having sex with little boys.

You better have the names of those boys and have them ready to testify
against me


You claimed that I've been "trolling" the net for little boys.

You better have documentation that proves this is true


This isn't about name-calling. This isn't about what you called me or
what I called you.

Courts aren't into hearing childish he-said/she-said foolishness.


This is about the crime that you've accused me of and whether or not
you can prove it.

I KNOW you can't, because you can't prove something that never
happened.

If I were you, I'd be worried right now.


You have tried to contact christian teenagers, posing as a christian. Which
you clearly are not. You have pretended to be a 15year old boy on this
newsgroup. You have used variuos false names on this group. It shows a
pattern of behaviour Gilberto. You are quite rightly fucked.

tomnln

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BOTTOM POST;

<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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justme wrote;

Rossley? Go hug little Gilly, he needs your childish insults to help
him overcome being an ignorant moron. Your name calling is moot
Rossley...it no longer bothers me, because everyone here knows your
nothing more than an old lush with one foot in the grave.
I'd stand by Walt, even though I don't agree with him anyday...as
opposed to you. There isn't anyone on this newsgroup but Jesus,
Robcrap and Healy that gives you the time of day anymore. Enough said.


I write;

There ya go Wally! ! !

Now, justme has joined your Cheer-Leader Team.

All the little Piggies in the Same PIGPEN! ! !

justme
chuck
David VP
mucher
Timmy

WHEN are you gonna prove your Lying Stupid Bastard Claims?>>>

You never proved that 133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts".
When are you gonna Prove that LHO worked for RFK???
You never proved that Walker called Germany.
You never proved Oswald ordered a 40 inch rifle.
You never proved Mike Paine gave the DOD a copy of 133-a on 11/22/63.
You never proved the wallet was found "INSIDE" the owner's car.

You never proved Michael Paine had same model rifle.

You're a Warren Commission Shill! ! !

SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/wally_world.htm
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amrifle

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On Sep 29, 7:30 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> Robert Frazier testifies that he observed that the inside of the
> barrel of the Oswald rifle was "roughened" from corrosion, then
> comments that "if a barrel is allowed to rust, one round will remove
> that rust."
>
> So why did the barrel have surface rust after Oswald had fired THREE
> rounds ?
>
> WAS FRAZIER SAYING THAT THE RIFLE WASN'T FIRED ?
>
> Mr. McCLOY. When you examined the rifle the first time, you said that
> it showed signs of some corrosion and wear?
>
> Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.
>
> Mr. McCLOY. Was it what you would call pitted, were the lands in good
> shape?
>
> Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners
> were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from
> corrosion or wear.
>
> Mr. McCLOY. Could you say roughly how many rounds you think had been
> fired since it left the factory, with the condition of the barrel as
> you found it?
>
> Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; I could not, because the number of rounds is not
> an indication of the condition of the barrel, since IF A BARREL IS
> ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE THAT RUST and wear the barrel
> to the same extent as 10 or 15 or 50 rounds just fired through a clean
> barrel.
>
> ( 3 H 395 )

Oswald must not have fired a rifle that day because the parrafin tests
on his cheek showed negative. Also a second rifle was found on the
roof of the school book depository. If I remember right the second
rifle belonged to the Dallis Police Department. I don't Know weather
it was tested for being recently fired or not.

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