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Sam McClung
May 23, 2021, 5:50:10 PM5/23/21
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1. to add person(s)
2. to remove person(s)
3. to try to remove person(s), results only partially successful (Mac Wallace and maybe others still visible)
4. to remove two men and a rifle - there were "two figures handling a gun-shaped object" in Norman Similas' picture film negative of the same window taken at about the same time as Dillard's photo, Similas' picture film negative was disappeared; since Dillard's photo was already publicly known it couldn't be disappeared so Stanford Research Institute altered the Dillard picture film negatives to destroy the two men and rifle images
4. to remove box(es)
5. to add or rearrange box(es) making the frame Oswald sniper nest since the nest was built after the assassination since Oswald couldn't be framed there without planted evidence; Luke Mooney made no mention of seeing the frame Oswald sniper's nest before Mooney went to the 7th floor, but noted it after returning to the 6th floor; Mac Wallace's fingerprint found on one of the frame Oswald sniper's nest boxes
6. to remove the "cloak and dagger...on window sill" mentioned in Nagell's 10-8-67 letter; apparently the "cloak and dagger" originated in Richard "Dirty Dick" Helms' office when Abe Greenbaum/Tracy Barnes met with Helms at Langley CIA on 11-21-63
7. Roscoe needed practice under pressure for future assignments
Any other possible reasons?
2. to remove person(s)
3. to try to remove person(s), results only partially successful (Mac Wallace and maybe others still visible)
4. to remove two men and a rifle - there were "two figures handling a gun-shaped object" in Norman Similas' picture film negative of the same window taken at about the same time as Dillard's photo, Similas' picture film negative was disappeared; since Dillard's photo was already publicly known it couldn't be disappeared so Stanford Research Institute altered the Dillard picture film negatives to destroy the two men and rifle images
4. to remove box(es)
5. to add or rearrange box(es) making the frame Oswald sniper nest since the nest was built after the assassination since Oswald couldn't be framed there without planted evidence; Luke Mooney made no mention of seeing the frame Oswald sniper's nest before Mooney went to the 7th floor, but noted it after returning to the 6th floor; Mac Wallace's fingerprint found on one of the frame Oswald sniper's nest boxes
6. to remove the "cloak and dagger...on window sill" mentioned in Nagell's 10-8-67 letter; apparently the "cloak and dagger" originated in Richard "Dirty Dick" Helms' office when Abe Greenbaum/Tracy Barnes met with Helms at Langley CIA on 11-21-63
7. Roscoe needed practice under pressure for future assignments
Any other possible reasons?
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May 23, 2021, 10:01:33 PM5/23/21
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donald willis
May 24, 2021, 12:09:34 AM5/24/21
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On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> 1. to add person(s)
>
> 2. to remove person(s)
1 & 2: to remove the shooter and the rifle from the end window, and add Jarman, Williams, & Norman. Although I believe that Norman may not have made it to the end window for some reason, though Anthony marsh often said he could see all three in his own pristine negative/positive/whatever in the windows. (I'm treating the Dillard as two photos, as does the WR, not just two versions of the same photo.)
> 1. to add person(s)
>
> 2. to remove person(s)
Sam McClung
May 24, 2021, 12:29:16 AM5/24/21
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On 5/23/2021 11:09 PM, donald willis wrote:
> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
>> 1. to add person(s)
>>
>> 2. to remove person(s)
>
> 1 & 2: to remove the shooter and the rifle from the end window, and add Jarman, Williams, & Norman. Although I believe that Norman may not have made it to the end window for some reason, though Anthony marsh often said he could see all three in his own pristine negative/positive/whatever in the windows. (I'm treating the Dillard as two photos, as does the WR, not just two versions of the same photo.)
Which window the shooter and rifle removed from, 6th floor or 5th?
> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
>> 1. to add person(s)
>>
>> 2. to remove person(s)
>
> 1 & 2: to remove the shooter and the rifle from the end window, and add Jarman, Williams, & Norman. Although I believe that Norman may not have made it to the end window for some reason, though Anthony marsh often said he could see all three in his own pristine negative/positive/whatever in the windows. (I'm treating the Dillard as two photos, as does the WR, not just two versions of the same photo.)
I still see Mac Wallace in the 6th floor window with his dark horn rimmed glasses (which someone else pointed out, maybe Charles Wallace?) so place Richard Cain (per Giancana) shooting from the frame Oswald window on the 6th floor.
And if Norman, Jarman, and Williams weren't on the 5th floor I place Oswald there to be framed as described by Nagell, but am now leaning more towards Norman, Jarman, and Williams actually being there on the 5th floor and Oswald vacating the area earlier since the motorcade was 5 minutes late and the hypnotism wore off Oswald early enough for him to go downstairs around 12:25 or maybe a little earlier.
donald willis
May 24, 2021, 4:49:30 PM5/24/21
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On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 9:29:16 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> On 5/23/2021 11:09 PM, donald willis wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> >> 1. to add person(s)
> >>
> >> 2. to remove person(s)
> >
> > 1 & 2: to remove the shooter and the rifle from the end window, and add Jarman, Williams, & Norman. Although I believe that Norman may not have made it to the end window for some reason, though Anthony marsh often said he could see all three in his own pristine negative/positive/whatever in the windows. (I'm treating the Dillard as two photos, as does the WR, not just two versions of the same photo.)
> Which window the shooter and rifle removed from, 6th floor or 5th?
Shooter at end window on the 5TH FLOOR.
> On 5/23/2021 11:09 PM, donald willis wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> >> 1. to add person(s)
> >>
> >> 2. to remove person(s)
> >
> > 1 & 2: to remove the shooter and the rifle from the end window, and add Jarman, Williams, & Norman. Although I believe that Norman may not have made it to the end window for some reason, though Anthony marsh often said he could see all three in his own pristine negative/positive/whatever in the windows. (I'm treating the Dillard as two photos, as does the WR, not just two versions of the same photo.)
> Which window the shooter and rifle removed from, 6th floor or 5th?
>
> I still see Mac Wallace in the 6th floor window with his dark horn rimmed glasses (which someone else pointed out, maybe Charles Wallace?) so place Richard Cain (per Giancana) shooting from the frame Oswald window on the 6th floor.
>
> And if Norman, Jarman, and Williams weren't on the 5th floor I place Oswald there
to be framed as described by Nagell, but am now leaning more towards Norman, Jarman, and Williams actually being there on the 5th floor and Oswald vacating the area earlier since the motorcade was 5 minutes late and the hypnotism
dcw
Sam McClung
May 24, 2021, 8:49:19 PM5/24/21
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On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 3:49:30 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 9:29:16 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> > On 5/23/2021 11:09 PM, donald willis wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> > >> 1. to add person(s)
> > >>
> > >> 2. to remove person(s)
> > >
> > > 1 & 2: to remove the shooter and the rifle from the end window, and add Jarman, Williams, & Norman. Although I believe that Norman may not have made it to the end window for some reason, though Anthony marsh often said he could see all three in his own pristine negative/positive/whatever in the windows. (I'm treating the Dillard as two photos, as does the WR, not just two versions of the same photo.)
> > Which window the shooter and rifle removed from, 6th floor or 5th?
> Shooter at end window on the 5TH FLOOR.
> >
> > I still see Mac Wallace in the 6th floor window with his dark horn rimmed glasses (which someone else pointed out, maybe Charles Wallace?) so place Richard Cain (per Giancana) shooting from the frame Oswald window on the 6th floor.
> >
> > And if Norman, Jarman, and Williams weren't on the 5th floor I place Oswald there
> Check. Someone was there with him if Mrs. Walther is to be believed....
> to be framed as described by Nagell, but am now leaning more towards Norman, Jarman, and Williams actually being there on the 5th floor and Oswald vacating the area earlier since the motorcade was 5 minutes late and the hypnotism
> Much as I love the original "Manchurian Candidate", I doubt hypnotism or brain-washing was involved in the assassination, at least as shown in the film.
>
> dcw
The CIA spent (spends?) a lot of resources and lives on its brainwashing/mind control control programs.
> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 9:29:16 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> > On 5/23/2021 11:09 PM, donald willis wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> > >> 1. to add person(s)
> > >>
> > >> 2. to remove person(s)
> > >
> > > 1 & 2: to remove the shooter and the rifle from the end window, and add Jarman, Williams, & Norman. Although I believe that Norman may not have made it to the end window for some reason, though Anthony marsh often said he could see all three in his own pristine negative/positive/whatever in the windows. (I'm treating the Dillard as two photos, as does the WR, not just two versions of the same photo.)
> > Which window the shooter and rifle removed from, 6th floor or 5th?
> Shooter at end window on the 5TH FLOOR.
> >
> > I still see Mac Wallace in the 6th floor window with his dark horn rimmed glasses (which someone else pointed out, maybe Charles Wallace?) so place Richard Cain (per Giancana) shooting from the frame Oswald window on the 6th floor.
> >
> > And if Norman, Jarman, and Williams weren't on the 5th floor I place Oswald there
> Check. Someone was there with him if Mrs. Walther is to be believed....
> to be framed as described by Nagell, but am now leaning more towards Norman, Jarman, and Williams actually being there on the 5th floor and Oswald vacating the area earlier since the motorcade was 5 minutes late and the hypnotism
> Much as I love the original "Manchurian Candidate", I doubt hypnotism or brain-washing was involved in the assassination, at least as shown in the film.
>
> dcw
<begin quote>
Perfecting the Art of Brainwashing: The CIA’s Efforts to Weaponize Mind Control
...
[page] 104
This was put to the test with Allen’s infamous pistol experiment in which a female volunteer who previously expressed a fear of firearms was hypnotized and told to pick up a gun on the floor and shoot it at someone in the room. The gun was not loaded, but she was told that it was. A document describing the experiment says,“Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the gun (loaded pneumatic pistol) gun at [deleted] and then proceeding to fall into a deep steep.”38 She did not remember the experiment when she woke, however, and she could not be made to go through with the instructions after she awoke from the hypnotic trance.39 According to CIA documentation available to the public, the CIA’s efforts in hypnosis experimentation continued throughout the 1950s but were unsuccessful in creating a Manchurian Candidate. However, if the CIA had developed a programmable assassin, it would have gone to great lengths to keep this information from ever being released to the public.
<end quote>
from https://history.sfsu.edu/sites/default/files/EPF/2015/2013_Marissa%20Whitten.pdf
Related youtube search with videos supposedly proving hypnotism can result in shootings:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hypnotize+shooting
Given Allen Dulles', Tracy Barnes', and the CIA's overall (MKULTRA = Manufactured Killer Utilizing Lethal Tradecraft Requiring Assassinations, per some, as well as other CIA practices) propensity towards psychological means and mind control, as well as possible CIA psychological control of Ruby
(see https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/dec/19/mkruby/ )
I would not be surprised if Nagell's reference to Oswald having been hypnotized during the assassination had some validity:
<begin quote>
Patsy awakens from hypnotic trance. Says, "What am I doing here?" Wonders what cyanide capsule is doing clenched between teeth? Wonders what cloak and dagger is doing on window sill? Wonders why floor of room is lettered with pro-Castor Oil pamphlets? Wonders how chicken bones got in lunch pail? Memory returns. Patsy flees. Refuses ride by former Bravo boyfriend driving by in utility truck bearing Bell Telephone Company markings. Catches bus instead.
<end quote>
Seems there were allegations that David Ferrie was hypnotizing Oswald.
I do believe Oswald was in Operation 40 for a reason, and if that reason entailed being an assassin, then the questions are:
Was he a voluntary assassin in waiting?
Or, was he an involuntary assassin in waiting?
Given the dire financial situations both Oswald and Ruby were in seems the conspirators could have wielded significant control over Oswald and Ruby.
Seems unabomber Ted Kaczynski is alleged to have been a victim of a still active MKULTRA...
donald willis
May 25, 2021, 12:19:11 AM5/25/21
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On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 5:49:19 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 3:49:30 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 9:29:16 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> > > On 5/23/2021 11:09 PM, donald willis wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> > > >> 1. to add person(s)
> > > >>
> > > >> 2. to remove person(s)
> > > >
> > > > 1 & 2: to remove the shooter and the rifle from the end window, and add Jarman, Williams, & Norman. Although I believe that Norman may not have made it to the end window for some reason, though Anthony marsh often said he could see all three in his own pristine negative/positive/whatever in the windows. (I'm treating the Dillard as two photos, as does the WR, not just two versions of the same photo.)
> > > Which window the shooter and rifle removed from, 6th floor or 5th?
> > Shooter at end window on the 5TH FLOOR.
> > >
> > > I still see Mac Wallace in the 6th floor window with his dark horn rimmed glasses (which someone else pointed out, maybe Charles Wallace?) so place Richard Cain (per Giancana) shooting from the frame Oswald window on the 6th floor.
> > >
> > > And if Norman, Jarman, and Williams weren't on the 5th floor I place Oswald there
> > Check. Someone was there with him if Mrs. Walther is to be believed....
> > to be framed as described by Nagell, but am now leaning more towards Norman, Jarman, and Williams actually being there on the 5th floor and Oswald vacating the area earlier since the motorcade was 5 minutes late and the hypnotism
> > Much as I love the original "Manchurian Candidate", I doubt hypnotism or brain-washing was involved in the assassination, at least as shown in the film.
> >
> > dcw
> The CIA spent (spends?) a lot of resources and lives on its brainwashing/mind control control programs.
Hence "The Manchurian Candidate". But you'd have to draw a line from Raymond Shaw to Oswald and document every step. Not sure whether Raymond was constructed more on realities or nightmare fantasies....
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 3:49:30 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 9:29:16 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> > > On 5/23/2021 11:09 PM, donald willis wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-7, Sam McClung wrote:
> > > >> 1. to add person(s)
> > > >>
> > > >> 2. to remove person(s)
> > > >
> > > > 1 & 2: to remove the shooter and the rifle from the end window, and add Jarman, Williams, & Norman. Although I believe that Norman may not have made it to the end window for some reason, though Anthony marsh often said he could see all three in his own pristine negative/positive/whatever in the windows. (I'm treating the Dillard as two photos, as does the WR, not just two versions of the same photo.)
> > > Which window the shooter and rifle removed from, 6th floor or 5th?
> > Shooter at end window on the 5TH FLOOR.
> > >
> > > I still see Mac Wallace in the 6th floor window with his dark horn rimmed glasses (which someone else pointed out, maybe Charles Wallace?) so place Richard Cain (per Giancana) shooting from the frame Oswald window on the 6th floor.
> > >
> > > And if Norman, Jarman, and Williams weren't on the 5th floor I place Oswald there
> > Check. Someone was there with him if Mrs. Walther is to be believed....
> > to be framed as described by Nagell, but am now leaning more towards Norman, Jarman, and Williams actually being there on the 5th floor and Oswald vacating the area earlier since the motorcade was 5 minutes late and the hypnotism
> > Much as I love the original "Manchurian Candidate", I doubt hypnotism or brain-washing was involved in the assassination, at least as shown in the film.
> >
> > dcw
> The CIA spent (spends?) a lot of resources and lives on its brainwashing/mind control control programs.
>
> <begin quote>
> Perfecting the Art of Brainwashing: The CIA’s Efforts to Weaponize Mind Control
> ...
> [page] 104
> This was put to the test with Allen’s infamous pistol experiment in which a female volunteer who previously expressed a fear of firearms was hypnotized and told to pick up a gun on the floor and shoot it at someone in the room. The gun was not loaded, but she was told that it was. A document describing the experiment says,“Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the gun (loaded pneumatic pistol) gun at [deleted]
and then proceeding to fall into a deep steep.”38 She did not remember the experiment when she woke, however, and she could not be made to go through with the instructions after she awoke from the hypnotic trance.39 According to CIA documentation available to the public, the CIA’s efforts in hypnosis experimentation continued throughout the 1950s but were unsuccessful in creating a Manchurian Candidate. However, if the CIA had developed a programmable assassin, it would have gone to great lengths to keep this information from ever being released to the public.
> <end quote>
> from https://history.sfsu.edu/sites/default/files/EPF/2015/2013_Marissa%20Whitten.pdf
>
> Related youtube search with videos supposedly proving hypnotism can result in shootings:
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hypnotize+shooting
>
> Given Allen Dulles', Tracy Barnes', and the CIA's overall (MKULTRA = Manufactured Killer Utilizing Lethal Tradecraft Requiring Assassinations, per some, as well as other CIA practices) propensity towards psychological means and mind control, as well as possible CIA psychological control of Ruby
> (see https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/dec/19/mkruby/ )
> I would not be surprised if Nagell's reference to Oswald having been hypnotized during the assassination had some validity:
> <begin quote>
> Patsy awakens from hypnotic trance. Says, "What am I doing here?" Wonders what cyanide capsule is doing clenched between teeth? Wonders what cloak and dagger is doing on window sill? Wonders why floor of room is lettered with pro-Castor Oil pamphlets? Wonders how chicken bones got in lunch pail? Memory returns. Patsy flees. Refuses ride by former Bravo boyfriend driving by in utility truck bearing Bell Telephone Company markings. Catches bus instead.
> <end quote>
>
> Seems there were allegations that David Ferrie was hypnotizing Oswald.
dcw
Sam McClung
May 25, 2021, 12:49:17 AM5/25/21
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