Debating The John F. Kennedy Assassination (Part 15)
David Von Pein
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SUBJECT -- The JFK Assassination: The Ongoing "Lone Assassin vs.
Conspiracy" Debate.
FEATURED TEXT -- Archived JFK Forum Messages From November 2005,
January 2006, February 2006, April 2006, and October 2006.
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CTer (A CONSPIRACY THEORIST) -- We have heard that lone-nut {expletives
deleted} for 40-plus years; we don't wanna hear that garbage anymore.
DVP (DAVID VON PEIN) -- Who cares what you "wanna hear"? The evidence
favoring Lee Harvey Oswald's sole guilt isn't going to suddenly change
after almost 43 years. And anyone with a single working brain cell
knows this to be true.
I recently re-watched the WFAA-TV (ABC) as-it-happened coverage of
11/22/63, and took note of how ZERO of the witnesses interviewed
(including WFAA newsmen Jay Watson and Jerry Haynes) heard more than
three shots that day.
Elm Street witness Bill Newman heard just two shots. Abraham Zapruder,
also interviewed on by WFAA on November 22, heard either 2 or 3 shots,
but no more than three. And yet people like Bob Groden have the guts to
purport a "10-Shot" shooting event.
And yet, somehow, every single witness failed to hear at least 7 of the
shots....with a huge percentage of the witnesses hearing an exact
number of shots that equates to the number of bullet shells found in
the Book Depository's sniper's perch. Convenient for those plotters,
huh?
How do CTers explain this basic "3 Shots" statistic among most
witnesses? It can't be explained away with "silenced"
weapons...otherwise most CTers would have to totally abandon the notion
that ANY witnesses accurately heard any "Knoll" shots at all.
Conspiracy theories run the gamut from silly, to crazy, to ludicrous,
to outright impossible. Take your pick.
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CTer -- How do YOU explain the fact that the plurality of witnesses
said that the shots came from the grassy knoll?
DVP -- You surely aren't purporting that "plurality" equates to
"majority"...are you? If you are purporting that, you're mixed up
big-time. Because far more witnesses heard shots ONLY from the general
direction of the TSBD than they did from the Grassy Knoll area.
And how do CTers conveniently explain away the amazingly-low pct. of
less than 5% of witnesses who heard shots from more than just a single
distinct direction (front or rear)?
Out of hundreds of witnesses, to have just 4 or 5 say they heard shots
from BOTH front and rear is extremely telling data that (via common
sense) indicates the likely fact that shots came from almost certainly
only a SINGLE location (which has to be the TSBD, which is the only
verified location of ANY of the shots, even per most CTers).
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CTer -- It's bizarre to me that so many here are anxious to viciously
attack Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone, with no proof that either of them
is a liar.
DVP -- Oh my heavens (and My Goodness)!! You've got to be joking with
this statement! No proof that Garrison lied??
Have you ever read Garrison's pack of lies within his October 1967
Playboy Magazine interview? That article/interview is so full of
obvious Garrison-spewed distortions and outright falsehoods, it's
staggering.
Anyone who has looked into the Kennedy assassination case (even in just
a cursory fashion) can easily debunk many of Garrison's obvious lies
that he spouted in that lengthy Playboy piece. (Not to mention the
additional surplus of distortions that Garrison presented to the
American public in January 1968 during his interview with Johnny Carson
on "The Tonight Show".)
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CTer -- What proof can you offer that Paul O'Connor was "wrong"? Paul
was there {at JFK's autopsy}, you were not.
DVP -- And guess who else was also there? -- Drs. Humes, Finck, and
Boswell. And they signed the autopsy report. Paul did not. The same
report you claim is full of feces.
You evidently don't have a single problem when it comes to believing
the ridiculous notion that all three autopsy doctors would deliberately
falsify the most important document they'd ever sign-off on in their
lives...right?
Is everything written within the "Supplementary Autopsy Report"
regarding JFK's brain all one big lie too?
And who was it, by the way, who wrote all of the "fiction" that's
described in that Supplementary Report re. the details of the brain
that Paul O'Connor said never existed at the autopsy? Did Dr. Humes do
that all by himself? Or did he call in Stephen King to help him pen a
few choice bits of fiction to place in the final draft of the report?
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CTer -- The gun that {Oswald} had in the Texas Theater was a "special"
that would have caused all the cartridges to bulge. None found at the
{Tippit murder} scene had that effect.
DVP -- And yet (some how, some miraculous way) ALL of those cartridges
were proven to have been fired from Oswald's .38 revolver (bulges or no
bulges). All the cops are liars, right?
Or: Did the "plotters/planters" slip up (yet again)? They planted used
cartridges that really DIDN'T come from Oswald's .38....but the cops
just went along with the plot anyway and said the shells WERE from
Oswald's gun. Is that about the size of it?
Make any sense...either way you slice it? (Maybe to a conspiracy kook
it does; but not to me.)
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CTer -- Oswald was identified as being in the theater prior to the
scheduled 1:20 showing of the movie by people who sat next to him and
who served him popcorn.
DVP -- So, let's re-create the scene (Via the "Conspiracy
Version")......
1.) Oswald was inside the theater prior to 1:20 PM on 11/22/63.
2.) He then has a compulsive desire (after apparently paying for his
theater ticket) to get up and leave the theater prior to 1:50 PM.
3.) He then decides to act kinda "funny" in Johnny Brewer's shoe-store
entrance. (LHO's young daughter, Junie, needed shoes remember...maybe
he was browsing for shoes for Junie.)
4.) Then Oswald, after obviously not wanting to watch the police cars
roar by on Jefferson Boulevard, decides to go BACK into the theater he
was already in "prior to 1:20". (He just wanted to stretch his legs I
guess, and act kinda "funny" while he's stretching them. I hope he got
a "pass" to exit the theater and re-enter...did he show this "pass" to
cashier Julia Postal, or to anybody else? No, he didn't. Oh well.)
Any other stupid "Texas Theater" theories you'd like to get off your
chest?
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CTer -- Oswald didn't kill Tippit. Think for yourself just for once.
DVP -- Now you're just being flat-out stupid. Because nothing will EVER
turn Oswald into an innocent man when it comes to the Tippit murder.
And anyone who even has a hazy knowledge of the vast evidence against
LHO in the Tippit case would conclude that Oswald was guilty.
Only a person who WANTS (desperately!) a "conspiracy" to exist in
connection with the JFK assassination could think that Oswald was not
guilty of murdering Officer J.D. Tippit. And to WANT a conspiracy to
exist at ANY cost is also just flat-out stupid.
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CTer -- There have been numerous cases where the bullet just STOPS
inside soft flesh. But almost every one of those cases involves a
low-caliber bullet or lower-velocity bullet.
DVP -- Precisely. And just WHY would these so-called "professional hit
men" who were shooting at the President (as many CTers believe) utilize
TWO such low-powered weapons on 11/22/63? It's goofy as all get out.
But, it looks like you're stuck with such nonsense via any type of
pro-CT, anti-SBT theory. Good luck in getting that craziness off the
ground.
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CTer -- If the Badge Man is real, he still won't implicate the whole
operation, since very few, if any, actually saw him in real life.
DVP -- Please take a breath....pause for a second....and re-read the
above quote again. ..... Now, can you see how utterly silly that quote
is? If not, you're in trouble.
Because if Badge Man is "real", and is a real gunman firing bullets at
2000fps at JFK's head, and if he hits JFK with any of his shots, then
just HOW is he not going to somehow "implicate the whole operation"?
(I.E., blow the whole Patsy Plot to bits by just being a FRONTAL
GUNMAN, period.)
Or are you purporting that Badge Man missed with his shot(s)? Or is he
just merely window dressing of some ilk? If so, why is he there at all?
Makes no sense.
So, if Badge Man is "real", his presence is certainly going to be made
known if he HITS THE PRESIDENT, which many CTers believe did happen,
and had the wound magically eradicated by cover-up operatives at a
Conspiracy BatCave in the Dallas sewer system somewhere, or
elsewhere....either way, it's nutsville time re. that theory.
So, regardless of whether many witnesses (or any) physically saw Badge
Man or not....his "presence" is gonna throw a big monkey-wrench in that
Oswald Lone Patsy Plot if his bullet(s) hit anyone in Dealey Plaza.
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CTer -- Is it coincidental that {LHO} worked right on the parade route?
DVP -- Yes. Absolutely. Positively. To believe otherwise, you're going
to have to explain HOW Mr. Oswald (or the "plotters" who were pulling
his weak-minded strings) were able to FORESEE THE FUTURE.
Oswald started working at the Book Depository on October 16, 1963. Not
a person alive knew for certain that a motorcade was going to take
place in Dallas until WEEKS after that October date (let alone that
such a parade would take JFK directly past the building Oswald worked
in).
To believe Oswald's being where he was on November 22 was NOT a
complete coincidence and happenstance and luck of the draw -- you have
no choice but to implicate SEVERAL different people in a conspiracy to
set Oswald up and "put" him in the TSBD for the sole purpose of taking
the fall for JFK's murder.
These people include individuals such as Ruth Paine, Linnie Randle, and
19-year-old kid Wesley Frazier -- all of whom would have had ZERO
reason(s) whatsoever to want to get involved in such a heinous plot in
the first place.
For instance, no CTer has yet to provide one good, solid, believable
reason for WHY Ruth Paine or Wes Frazier would want to set Lee Oswald
up for killing their own President.
And even if somebody DOES come up with even a half-baked CT-slanted
"reason" for why those people would want to do this -- there's still
that OTHER large calendar-related obstacle to overcome (which can never
be overcome, no matter WHAT motives Paine, et al, may have possessed)
-- and that's the fact that nobody could have KNOWN of the motorcade
route until (at the earliest) the morning of Tuesday, November 19th,
1963...just a mere three days prior to Kennedy's arrival in Dallas.
Did the "plotters" just get extremely LUCKY when they "placed" LHO in
the TSBD? And did that dirty, rotten, evil, conspiratorial henchwoman
named Ruth Paine say this to her co-plotters in mid-October '63?......
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[RUTH PAINE IMITATION ON....]
"Hey, Wesley and Linnie -- You know I think that the husband of that
woman I have staying with me just might be an ideal patsy to take the
lone fall in the killing of President Kennedy. I really like JFK and
don't have any real reason to want to conspire with others to bump the
guy off, but hey, when a perfect patsy just falls into your lap like
this Lee Oswald guy has done...you gotta go with the flow, right?....
Okay, so I'll call up the Depository manager and see if Lee can get
hired there. I'm just taking a guess that JFK will drive right past the
building MORE THAN A MONTH FROM NOW, and ON A WORK DAY when Oswald's
inside the building -- but that's a chance we'll just have to take. I
don't have any knowledge of Kennedy's visit to Dallas, and even less
data re. any possible motorcade (let alone the exact routing)...but
we've gotta start somewhere, right?....
So, what do you guys say? You with me, Linnie? Wesley? You two don't
mind putting your lives on the chopping block to frame this guy, do
you? Come on! Let's do this! It'll be great!
Just think of the rewards in the end! Cars! Furs! Houses! Cash! Prison!
And looking over our shoulders thinking the cops are gonna nab us every
time we step outside! What a fabulous plan!!"
[/RUTH PAINE OFF]
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Anybody care to buy a share of the above nonsense? I'd love it if some
defense lawyer were to present such a cockeyed theory to a jury. The
laughter would be so loud from the courtroom, you'd probably never get
the jury up off the floor.
But the conspiracy buffs who believe that Oswald was "planted" in the
Depository in mid-October of '63 are going to HAVE to "buy" something
similar to the above "mock Ruth Paine plot" in order to believe Lee
Harvey Oswald's presence in the Texas School Book Depository on
11/22/63 was NOT the result of pure ordinary coincidence and
happenstance.
